competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

im aware putting 6 top tier mons on a team isnt good

[foggy pike]

It's a bit complicated, I'll try to keep it brief. I find simply playing a game using somebody else's work harder to grasp than calculating the numbers myself. Especially when the flaws are polished
I'm sure every single team has a direct counter but the idea of having no trial & error step feels weird

You know that something works but you can't replicate it because all you did was rent a team. To me, that's just not something I can do

I like asking questions and running the calcs and such. That gets your brain thinking. I do believe I'll struggle heavily with team synergy becasue I want to go in blind, however there is the pikalytics site that can aid me

[rustic mountain]

ur new to the game, the trial and error is actually learning and improving within that game. jus cuz the teams good doesnt mean ur gna be good w/ it. very likely u wont be good at all w/ it

but thats a better foundation to start w/ cuz atleast it has basis for being good, ur knowledge and experience just wouldnt be there to match it

[foggy pike]

So, i should focus on the battling part before the team building/synergy/damage calc part?

[rustic mountain]

yea im not saying dont teambuild ever

just to start i think ur time would be better used borrowing others peoples teams/ideas so u can get that experience/knowledge at a quicker pace to then have more informed decision making wen it comes time for u to theory craft/team build

trust me dude like i said u can go about however u want but ive literally been there. i tried the teambuilding from scratch off rip and did "ok" (made mball tier a bit over 50% wr) but i wasnt really benefitting the way i couldve if i had actually started by using other ppls teams that were actually good. i made my learning curve longer then it needed to be

[foggy pike]

That method of "play to learn" has only stolen thousands of hours of in game time from me in other games. I've been discouraged from that type of style because it simply didn't work for me. I can look at stuff on Showdown and try a rental team there to see. I just can't connect the dots on how a perfectly planned "build"/"team" works without seeing something that is flawed

[molten oasis]

should i try to eat tclap and gglide with mystic water kyogre or just play max max

[rustic mountain]

idk how else to say wat ive said already but again up to u how u wind up approaching it, i just cant see how going in completely new and trynna teambuild is ever gna b helpful to someone. ur jumping into uncharted territory (for u) and are basically drawing a map from scratch when theres thousands of maps of said territory that can help guide the way

[rustic mountain]

its tera grass

so idt the calc is necessary

[molten oasis]

i dont want to commit tera everytime i see a rilla or a bolt

[rustic mountain]

so eat a tclap or glide and then have to rely on pulse ?

[shadow wind]

Prio block?

[rustic mountain]

which defeats the purpose of what u want out of ur kyogre which is maximum damage output

[dense latch]

do you not have any way to redirect tclaps or tbolts from your kyogre?

[rustic mountain]

trade off not worth it to invest so much in bulk for a non cm kyogre

[molten oasis]

nvm

i'll just go max max nothing worth calcing ig

[dense latch]

committing tera isn’t that big of a deal when it’s typically your strongest piece
unless you’re then exposed to pins or something

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/133f13f3ba924d4c ev'd

[rustic mountain]

shroom and hands u can defensively pivot in to help assist w/ getting pressured by the bolts and rillas. whether its protect +fake out from hands switch or shroom rage powder. or even switching it specifically for either of those guys. + what erik mentioned being ur generally gna wanna tera that most times anyway

[dense latch]

what’s tornadus calced to live btw

[molten oasis]

surging strikes

[rustic mountain]

i just dont see the point. like u live glide or tclap on like 20-30% and click origin pulse and then do like no damage anyway in return and are pressured to die the next turn anyway

like u live that 1 hit but then wat? like wats the value of living that hit

[molten oasis]

thats fair

[rustic mountain]

or u miss pulse anyway and then die next turn

haha i feel it defeats the purpose of the kyogre on this team

[molten oasis]

i dont get kyogre, hes new to me

[rustic mountain]

u generally want to be in positions u can click spout comfortably

[molten oasis]

gotcha

[rustic mountain]

yea atleast in this sense, for me pulse is more of a bailout move that u dont want to click outside 1 time in a match. from wat i saw from how he played it u want to get atleast 2 spouts to either pressure kos or chunk things down big + force tera

[molten oasis]

mk

[rustic mountain]

rilla shouldnt be too much an issue anyway w/ torn and pao

and if u force tera its kyogre food unless its water

[molten oasis]

True

[molten oasis]

Wow I suck with this team

[molten oasis]

Why is everything fucking Tera water man

It’s like the only time I see that Tera is when I play kyogre

Man, people just abuse the fact I don’t have torn

[shadow wind]

Resist Kyogre and CIR

[cyan smelt]

And shifu

[molten oasis]

I know

I get why it’s an unfortunate Tera for ice and water coverage lol

[mint void]

I swear its the aame for me. Like every CSR is fucking Tera Water

[cyan smelt]

It seems impossible to tell if caly shadows are sash or covert cloak

[craggy dagger]

hit them with a snarl

[cyan smelt]

Don't have snarl on my team

[real prairie]

Morning all

Having a bit of a moral crisis this morning...

Is this wrong?

[cyan smelt]

Seems a bit like cannibalism

[mint void]

Idk. Idnt colo a cactus with a poncho ?

[real prairie]

mmhhh

[cyan smelt]

I thought it was a pineapple

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/somewhere-in-between-grady-smith-somewhere-in-the-middle-the-middle-of-the-road-gif-18362101707257124259

[opal trout]

I don’t think so

[solid frigate]

You should be fine

[real prairie]

first game of the week LOL

[solid frigate]

Of course they will spam them-

[cyan smelt]

U can encore the gothitelle and incin into fake out

[real prairie]

meh, not well played by me... but its a win https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306773961-fbtko0d7ywt5g9g15bpo2fhcpeqqjkepw

[left bobcat]

Dudeeeeeee

I was about to start chatting but as soon as I got home i just showered and I was knocked tf out

[astral kelp]

LOOOL

i mean what do you expect haha

[left bobcat]

Yeah they could’ve swapped out for weather control but a win is a win

[astral kelp]

they just better lmao

[left bobcat]

Type shit

[astral kelp]

ive been seeing this team a lot

[left bobcat]

Haven’t seen that team in a while

Then again I haven’t played recently

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306784379

this team is feeling good

kyurem is soooo strong

i played turn 1 so bad

but i still managed to win

i shouldve just taunted jumpluff

i thought it had prankster 💀

my brain was
oh it has chlorofill so hes gonna switch to koraidon and then jumpluffs gonna outspeed tornados

kyurem living collision course in sun

[astral kelp]

whats a good tera and 4th move?
i was thinking something tera blast could be cool

i want flutter to kill calyrexes and urshifu dark mostly

[next stump]

dazzling gleam or icy wind

https://x.com/wolfeyglick/status/1893983618558480862?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

Global Challenge 2025 Champion

X · Feb 24, 2025, 11:17 AM

[astral kelp]

i had an idea
tera poison tera blast

[next stump]

to hit what?

[solid frigate]

why

[astral kelp]

bro has only ws wtf

[astral kelp]

most calyrexes and maridons run tera fairy

my team doesnt really have a way to hit fairy types

[next stump]

for miraidon, unless you have tailwind they’ll just be outspeeding and KOing you first

[astral kelp]

https://pokepast.es/9bee5e93b6572dab

[astral kelp]

wait really he can outspeed booster energy fluttermane?

i thought that was like the fastest mon in the format

[next stump]

your EV spread there is boosting special attack

you need to have a final speed stat higher than your special attack stat to get a boost in speed

[astral kelp]

oh true i completley forgot about that

[solid frigate]

doubt

anyways

Flutter Mane Tera Fairy Moonblast still do a Large Chunk on Neutral Hits

[astral kelp]

hows this?

maybe i shopuld just focus on special defence

instead of half assing defence

im really bad at ev spreading idfk how to do it

[next stump]

that looks better, flutter mane doesn’t need to invest in special defense since its base stat is so high already

i’d take your EVs there and put them into DEF

or HP

if you want to just steal someone else’s spread, go to munchstats

[solid frigate]

at least 188 Raw Speed should let you outspeed most Adamant or Modest 135s

without Booster energy

cuz if I remember they are 187

[solid frigate]

can i just put my spread to him so that we can just get it over with

[astral kelp]

sure lol

[astral kelp]

ill do that because yeah i think i need more damage

500 raw speed is a bit muc lmao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306808484-rx7gncntecoyunqoo25e5bat9p9m1q1pw

i was kinad expecting it to do more to clefairy

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 124 Def / 100 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Icy Wind
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

This Spread is from my Birmingham regionals Miraidon Team, which allows you to outspeed Modest and Adamant 135s by 1 point without booster, tho its a but Offensive Flutter compare to rest of the bulky ones

[astral kelp]

i need to outspeed here

[solid frigate]

you should be fine

cuz 124 Timid Speed Booster is still pretty fast

[gentle crag]

Result: 282.000000

[solid frigate]

yeah safe to say it outspeeds

[astral kelp]

oh sweet

[mint void]

I just do 132 to get over that roaring moon

[astral kelp]

i think its fine to be under roaring moon

all im worried about really is caly S'

if i can outspeed him and one shot with tera poison or shadowball im good

carefully crafted team just to play against whatever the fuck this is

[mint void]

Icy wind is better than tera blasz.
Slows caly so a irshifu can outspeed and kill

[astral kelp]

my team has 2 ice types

[mint void]

Ok?

[astral kelp]

i feel like i dont need more ice moves lol

[mint void]

Icy wind 8s a utility move

The focus isnt damage. Its the value if the slow

[astral kelp]

ahh i see hm

[solid frigate]

124 Timid already outspeeds it

[astral kelp]

oh yeah that slams the shit out of it i dont even need any investment in spa

0+ SpA Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 204-244 (98.5 - 117.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

even buffing the shit out of it

0+ SpA Tera Poison Flutter Mane Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 102-122 (49.2 - 58.9%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO

[charred saddle]

people wouldnt just stay without tera/redirection if they know theres a threat tho

its a 4x weakness

[astral kelp]

oh yeah true

252 SpA Tera Poison Flutter Mane Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 114-134 (55 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
unfortunally my plan wont work lol

252 SpA Tera Poison Flutter Mane Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fairy Calyrex-Shadow: 140-168 (80 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[charred saddle]

no one would run a max max bulk caly

also poison blast on flutter is ass and wouldnt worth

[astral kelp]

ofc but even with 0 bulk

yeah very true i see it now lol

[charred saddle]

its not that it doesnt get kill

shadow ball and moonblast already covers a lot of typing coverage

and boosted by STAB

[astral kelp]

and dont need to waste tera

ig gholdengo would be better then

if i specifically want to one shot tera fairy cary-s

[charred saddle]

u can still have fairy tera to get some more boost but its unecessary sometimes.

its bit better to save tera for someone else that needs it more which in this case most likely ur restricted

dont want to have ur restricted die early

[spiral ridge]

Caly S is so frail you could prob kill without SE

[charred saddle]

its not tho

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

100 80 100 isnt that squishy/frail

unless ur doing a boosted move like sun boosted flare blitz or something

[spiral ridge]

Not to OHKO but

[astral kelp]

specially my shitass typing kyurem

[spiral ridge]

Frail enough that a mon purely for its Tera seems a bit odd

[astral kelp]

yeah not my best idea anywyas lopl

[spiral ridge]

Like a SS aqua jet or any attack and a grassy glide can usually take it out no?

[astral kelp]

no?

[charred saddle]

it would take water tera SS to kill

[spiral ridge]

Even with an aqua jet on top?

[charred saddle]

• mystic

[spiral ridge]

Okay maybe it’s been a bit too long then my bad

[charred saddle]

water tera boost > aqua jet i thinnk

lemme see

[spiral ridge]

I thought a SS+ aqua jet killed

[astral kelp]

is there any good poison types in format even

[charred saddle]

oh ye it does ig

[astral kelp]

other than among us

[charred saddle]

SS + aqua

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

oh shi

[spiral ridge]

:)

[charred saddle]

but also astral barrage scotty

so its like, better get him on the first turn

before u got bonked and die

[spiral ridge]

True

[charred saddle]

shifu spD is ass

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

yea specially cuz youre going shify with no sash

[charred saddle]

100 60

[spiral ridge]

Yeesh

[astral kelp]

and caly outspeeds

wtf glimorra is dou??

[spiral ridge]

My bad

I’ve always just used flutter or pao but times I haven’t I’ve done that

[charred saddle]

any idea for restricteds btw scotty

[astral kelp]

amoogus the literal only good poison type

[spiral ridge]

But I do use Zama a lot so

[charred saddle]

i dont have idea on who to use + galar birds for GC

[spiral ridge]

All 3??

[charred saddle]

uh prob just one

[spiral ridge]

Oh ok

Hmm

Goltres is good to deal with horses

[charred saddle]

i dont think ill use goltres

[spiral ridge]

Gapdos helps zacian vs that fuckass cat I hate

[charred saddle]

either zapdos or articuno

[spiral ridge]

Ask drago about gapdos zacian

They worked on that for a while and had some good ideas and progress

[charred saddle]

oh ye i was thinking about gapdos and normal CLAM zacian

[spiral ridge]

Looked like a fun team

CLAM?

[charred saddle]

dont want to use crown zacian tho

clear amulet

so just the base zacian haha

[spiral ridge]

Ohh

Lmfao

[charred saddle]

still gets intrepid sword buff btw

[left bobcat]

Damn I left my charger at the hotel

[charred saddle]

only doesnt have the base stat buff

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

150 vs

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/115/80/115/138

Total

660

Other Formes

Zacian-Crowned

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

That’s

That’s not bad

[charred saddle]

and the speed

[spiral ridge]

Oof speed too

[charred saddle]

yeah but thats it

oh and steel typpe

[solid frigate]

Why are we looking at Base Zacian

[spiral ridge]

A clear amulet +1 on lead sounds pretty nice

[charred saddle]

but it was something i was thinking since back in the first reg G

[spiral ridge]

Go for it

[charred saddle]

but idk man

[solid frigate]

oh god what is the sauce-

[charred saddle]

zacian movepool is ass

[spiral ridge]

Tera blast

[solid frigate]

I mean just run double Stab and Coverage or SD

[charred saddle]

dont like the playrough miss

[solid frigate]

Tera Blast Fairy

[charred saddle]

prob will be like this

• gouging fire hmm

[spiral ridge]

Is there really no other fairy

[charred saddle]

no

[spiral ridge]

Yikes

[charred saddle]

all zac has

[spiral ridge]

L

[charred saddle]

😭

[spiral ridge]

I may be stupid but

Since no longer form is Tera ground still best

[charred saddle]

wdym

[spiral ridge]

Would a diff Tera be better

[charred saddle]

i do uh ground tera to cover most typing coverage outside steel fairy

[spiral ridge]

Gotcha

[charred saddle]

others that resists that 2 coverage is fire being one of it

also choice spec miraidon

[spiral ridge]

Okay fair enough

I was about to say like. Dark or fire or fighting just as random ideas

[charred saddle]

hmm

dark might be good for CSR and just catch it offguard haha

[spiral ridge]

Yah

[charred saddle]

btw also running zac with howl gouging

[spiral ridge]

Yaya

[charred saddle]

might be good idk haha

[spiral ridge]

Same as drago did I think

[charred saddle]

oo really

[spiral ridge]

@molten oasis

He’s prob not around but when he is

Hopefully you’ll still be around

[charred saddle]

its fine haha

[spiral ridge]

I forget the full team

But yeah hf with it

[charred saddle]

[spiral ridge]

I’m curious to learn a horse I’ve not played in so long

[charred saddle]

CIR?

[spiral ridge]

Yakuza has completely consumed me

[spiral ridge]

Either I would prob like

[charred saddle]

oo

[spiral ridge]

Why is it so DAMN FUN

[charred saddle]

CIR is better i think, have u seen how tanky it is

[spiral ridge]

EVEN THE BAD ONES WHERE I COMPLAIN IM JUST ADDICTED

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[charred saddle]

[spiral ridge]

oh yeah fs

Both I think are amazing

[charred saddle]

100 150 130

oo ye ye definitely

[spiral ridge]

I think CSR feels like fraud cus it’s day 2 % but I don’t think it is

People call it that but I don’t think so

[charred saddle]

CSR had like 27% usage in day 2 i think

[spiral ridge]

Few tournaments where cir had less coming in but more in dah 2

So people prep more for CIR I believe

[charred saddle]

scotty

i have a more beautiful not idea

choice banded howl rillaboom

[spiral ridge]

Oh

[astral kelp]

btw what does gouging fire like do

[charred saddle]

howl

[spiral ridge]

Some thoughts are inside thoughts :)

[astral kelp]

oh

[spiral ridge]

Not even scarf or anything wtf 😭

[astral kelp]

based

[spiral ridge]

If you’re not doing damage

[charred saddle]

i mean im running a more utility set, it gets quite a lot of stuff tbh, but nothing really stands out

[spiral ridge]

Just

Do HH incin

[charred saddle]

howl snarl

[charred saddle]

ehhhhhhh

[astral kelp]

it be yellin 💀

[spiral ridge]

Fake parting HH knock off

[astral kelp]

i wanna make soimething with toxitricity

its such a cool mon

I GETS PLUS?

[balmy glen]

Spun the wheel and my next restricted is CSR

[gentle crag]

Result: 235.500000

[charred saddle]

keanu, whats ur own thought on choice band rilla

im contemplating should i try that + howl gouging or just the normal AV/miracle seed

[astral kelp]

nyeeehehehehe

[spiral ridge]

We love wheels

[balmy glen]

In this meta?

[charred saddle]

ye hm

[balmy glen]

I mean if u wanna play 50/50s like me at indie go ahead lul

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/6396cac43f680514

what i have currently in mind

miracle seed might be better so i can still at least u turn

or even have protect

[balmy glen]

If ur using howl i dont really understand wanting band tho tbh

Just go av ur getting a band boost anyways lol

[charred saddle]

makes sense

[astral kelp]

lol how dumb of an idea is this

[charred saddle]

landorus

beautiful

[astral kelp]

LOL

[gentle crag]

Result: 148.666667

Result: 222.000000

Result: 223.500000

[solid frigate]

Did somebody order a Landorus cuz he said he want to eat this team

[astral kelp]

hear me out

they all run tera flying lmao

[solid frigate]

no you ain’t The Herta i dont have to hear you out

[charred saddle]

what the fuck is blud cooking

[astral kelp]

bro just gave up

[astral kelp]

LOL

[solid frigate]

Can you hand me a Paper Bag

[knotty mirage]

Bruh

[solid frigate]

bruh for both teams

[real prairie]

@solid frigate Iron Crown was in the Juniors final

[astral kelp]

lmao

[real prairie]

one of the finalists only had 5 mons as 1 was banned (the indeedee)

[solid frigate]

is he winning son?

[astral kelp]

OH NO

[real prairie]

nah crown lost the final

kid with 5 mons won the juniors lol

[solid frigate]

Rest in Peace My Soldier

[astral kelp]

bro why is choice scarf max speed toxitricity so slow 💀

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306844889

yeah parting shot to my zapdos more please

[spiral ridge]

What da heck

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306846681

this stupid build won a game lmao

mewtwo 💀

[chrome knot]

these are definitely some team choices across these replays

[astral kelp]

bruh not you clicking roar for it to get INSTANTLY undone by incin lmao

LOL

close combat galarian zapdos 0-0

WAIT ITS A FUCKING FIGHTING TYPE??

[spiral ridge]

Yes

[astral kelp]

the more you know ig

[solid frigate]

this is my reaction to those replays

[solid frigate]

Nah i think thats only you /j

[astral kelp]

fr tho like i had no idea that galar moltres was a darkl type

[dusty gate]

Forgetting it's not Ting-Lu.

[spiral ridge]

Dear god that’s a big bird

[solid frigate]

[astral kelp]

you really like that one hahah

[spiral ridge]

They were
Something

[solid frigate]

and I thought i got affected by Nova and Luna’s Habits on Teambuilding

[astral kelp]

whats a pokemon you guys want an evolution toi

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2306850473

uh

[astral kelp]

bros running sing on clefairy wtf

and he hit it too what a madlad

[spiral ridge]

Pft
There’s aren’t that bad

Ones just flutter fish

[chrome knot]

yeah idk i don’t have it in me to use my brain looking at them

[astral kelp]

BULK UP CERULEDGE?

[solid frigate]

agreed

[astral kelp]

now that i have like 2 weeks experience team building i should fix my first team
https://pokepast.es/78bef525b0fd0847

[chrome knot]

Vanc 2w away im in distraught bc my ass does NOT have a team

[solid frigate]

i mean you use both of the horses

Why not just run a Standard team on them

[chrome knot]

low confidence player

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[chrome knot]

im just in a panic and dont rly understand when i can consider myself decent at a team

bc i go 4-1 vs friend in prep group but 0-4 curb stomped by neil whos also testing for Vanc

makes brain rly confused

[real prairie]

this looks like something you'd see in singles

[solid frigate]

Maybe because just skill level is different?

I think what you can do is to just hone on that one team and perfect how you play

Literally thats how i do when i was preping bham with Miraidon

[chrome knot]

my problem about that is yes thats right but i usually have closer sets with neil that get drawn out for long time, which it did last night i just wasn’t able to make progress, or progress well enough

[solid frigate]

whats the team currently?

Just CSR standard Team?

[chrome knot]

cir

but idk team feels fine its probably just a me playing thing

i wont rly know until this weekend when i play in a toronto cup tbh

[solid frigate]

Nova told me to review most of my replays and try to see what mistakes i did and remove them with other ways

I think just play like how you do would be the best choice

[chrome knot]

i guess

idk it just feels like it has spiralled out of control

[solid frigate]

during Bham i have the teambuilding Group helping me (Drago,Monke and the others)

I think you can do it especially your skill level is better than mine

just play naturally imo

[real prairie]

@chrome knot Im always down to run some practice games if you need people

happy to run any MU you want to practice against

[chrome knot]

thanks i appreciate it lots

[chrome knot]

yeah probably im just the worst with mental when events come around

i think ive yet to bring a team to a regional i didnt have regrets with

[solid frigate]

yeah i can open up any Miraidon and Terapagos MU matches if you want

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yumeko-jabami-蛇喰-夢子-kakegurui-anime-gif-17306696

[solid frigate]

its relatively hard

my Miraidon team has been experimented for 4 months before i finally switched from Fari to Flutter Mane and Iron Hands to Tera Water

the fact i almost brought Zama into there lmao

[chrome knot]

this where im at rn but idk i need to be more proactive in my gameplay to make it work

https://pokepast.es/4c5162a4b83fa004

[real prairie]

I was second guessing my team right up til a day before B'ham but everything i tested was worse than what i originally took, so i just said fuck it and went with what i origially made.

[solid frigate]

just one issue

Raging bolt could be a different Tera imo

[solid frigate]

hell my Flutter Adaptation is 2 days before i go to bham lmao

And it does well there

[chrome knot]

without booster it lacks in power and theres some tera clap rolls that push it to ohko, but also scarf lando and lorbed ones with middling spatk invest dont ohko with earthpower

[solid frigate]

i guess its a Valid answer

[real prairie]

It looks good but it looks like its caught between being in TR and not wanting to be in TR at all

[chrome knot]

thats what cir balance is love

[solid frigate]

tailroom CIR is honestly fire

[chrome knot]

you need a manageable fast mode otherwise youll never win games u cant tr in

[real prairie]

Yeah i get that, just wondering if the fast options are the right options, i wouldn't know without using it though

for example is Lando a better choice for Scarf and have sash Urshifu or even slow bulky Urshifu

[foggy lodge]

what do you think of eweb over snarl raging

[real prairie]

that may be the choice

[solid frigate]

i dont like it honestly

you have to deal with special attackers

[chrome knot]

scarf ursh needs to be hitting csr, lando and other faster threats, lando being crept above adamant252spe ursh makes it fine, ewebs doesn’t have use bc then i have no way of slowing down post tera kyogre/csr in terms of attack power

[solid frigate]

Also The team is already physically Bulky

why not improve by using Snarl

[real prairie]

you seem to have it in the right place for you then, just a matter of practicing MUs and learning best behaviours

[solid frigate]

so far whats your MU tho

like hows your MU against any relevant restricteds

[foggy lodge]

I think the team is good tbh

[chrome knot]

pretty good, most mus you can find cir in unlosable position, or create space for ursh to just win at the end

[foggy lodge]

Maybe scarf Landorus because against arubega Miraidon it dies better as lead but i guess that in TR it still does well against that MU

[chrome knot]

im probably gonna go back to hhp tho

-1-1 is kinda scary

[chrome knot]

problem with arubega is if im shooting to do well, they all run really weird bulk spreads on mirai atm and will probably live scarf ep

[foggy lodge]

hm yeah

They are all very slow miraidon rn with almost max HP

[chrome knot]

someone legit ran 252hp 252spatk @ euic lmfao

[foggy lodge]

😭

[solid frigate]

Bruh lmao

at least if you face me your Lando can OHKO my Miraidon

[spiral ridge]

Fed that mofo too many sandwiches!

What did they place

[chrome knot]

it was one of the jpn players in day 2 idr if they cut/not

[solid frigate]

i mean its JP players

[chrome knot]

arubega is a jpn team..

[foggy lodge]

😭

[spiral ridge]

Damn nice

[foggy lodge]

let me see is alex has agati spreads

nvm its outdated

[chrome knot]

need but i currently have kuromi neck pillow so maybe not..

[spiral ridge]

You have WHAT and you never showed it

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/3dd93f362a10547e

[solid frigate]

Bro is gonna be having nightmares

[balmy glen]

I should’ve photo bombed I was behind them :p

[real prairie]

haha yes you should have

[chrome knot]

whyre u everywhere at once

[balmy glen]

I bought a teleporter

[real prairie]

link?

[chrome knot]

ok wanna share it?

[balmy glen]

Im already sharing it sorry

[chrome knot]

wtf!!

[left bobcat]

wtf??

[real prairie]

what in the netflix account is going on here, sharing is caring

[left bobcat]

You once again let your ego get the best of you

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-caine-i-failed-you-failed-batman-sorry-gif-12862016

[foggy lodge]

man

I want to play Kyle's team

[left bobcat]

KYLE?

[foggy lodge]

Its so good

I'm only playing like a small variant with drain punch over heavy slam

[left bobcat]

KYLE?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-kyle-gif-24974388

[left bobcat]

You’re Kyle

IT WAS YOU ALL ALONG

[real prairie]

All Jews are Kyle to you, is that how it is?

😉

[left bobcat]

No you’re just Kyle

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 335: Zangoose

Type

Normal

Abilities

Immunity, Toxic Boost (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/115/60/60/60/90

Total

458

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

what on earth are you cooking @charred saddle

[charred saddle]

just checking for tera raids

[real prairie]

haha fair enough

[bold geode]

I prefer beef

[charred saddle]

+6 252+ Atk Toxic Boost Zangoose Power Trip (140 BP) vs. -2 Lvl 75 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Psychic Iron Leaves: 5416-6372 (111.4 - 131.1% of 20x hp boss) -- guaranteed OHKO

very strong

[left bobcat]

Why

[real prairie]

he just said, for Tera raids lol

belly drum zangoose i assume @charred saddle ?

[charred saddle]

ye

[tiny karma]

Ability: Toxic Boost

While this Pokemon is poisoned, the power of its physical attacks is multiplied by 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

does it work out better than just using hands?

[charred saddle]

psychic tera

iron leaves

[real prairie]

it have psychic stab?

although i suppose going in with SE moves makes sense

[charred saddle]

more like IH doesnt have anything for IL

[chrome knot]

psyblade

[real prairie]

Ooof yeah fair then

[left bobcat]

Just why tho

[molten oasis]

@charred saddle do not use base zacian

[left bobcat]

Use kingambit instead

[molten oasis]

Base zacian sucks as a restricted

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

Scarf base Zacian with booster coaching next to it

(that's not serious)

[open path]

Could anybody help me with my team? I’m getting wins but I rarely ever use farigiraf, so who could I switch him back with?

[mint void]

paste us the team

[open path]

Oh I tried to send a photo but I can’t lol

[mint void]

my sweat child

nono

@open pathgo on Showdown and make a team there an the send it via export to Pokepaste

[open path]

Oh ok bet I’ll do that and get back to you lol thanks

[mint void]

The bottom thing

[open path]

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Thunderbolt

Tornadus (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Rain Dance
• Taunt

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Dark Pulse
• Steel Beam
• Draco Meteor

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Detect
• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
IVs: 0 Atk

• Helping Hand
• After You
• Protect
• Follow Me

Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Psychic
• Protect
• Helping Hand

I rushed it so last two don’t have ev’a but they are just normal defensive ev’s

They all do their job but farigiraf isn’t really necessary since tornadus and arch can start against fake out users

[mint void]

bro

[solid frigate]

bruh

[open path]

Ok it feels like I fucked up

[solid frigate]

send the link from thhe pokepaste

[open path]

Kk

https://pokepast.es/d33e9c5eadcea5ac

There?

[solid frigate]

good

[open path]

Ev’a aren’t finished but you get the idea

[solid frigate]

wtf is that Archaludon set

[open path]

He’s there to handle claryrex shadow

And immune to fake out and fighting

Oh I messed up, it’s flash canon

[solid frigate]

its a bad idea.

[open path]

Not steal beam

[foggy lodge]

I don't think you need tailwind + scarf kyogre

[solid frigate]

Body Press replace Dark Pulse
and Farigiraf use Foul Play

[foggy lodge]

You could go mystic water, more damage + you can switch up moves

[open path]

I’ve tried this idea but kyogre ended up being too tornadus dependent

This way I outspeed every restricted but calyrex shadow

[foggy lodge]

i mean when you play tornogre is usually what happens lol

[solid frigate]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 4 Def / 76 SpA / 180 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Body Press
• Dragon Pulse
• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon

Just use this

No one will use Archaludon to beat CSR

[open path]

I don’t love your vibes torrent

[open path]

Lmfao ok yeah you have a point, I’ll keep it in mind

[foggy lodge]

I mean snarl is okay on Archaludon you can drop sp atk on things like CSR and Chi-Yu

Also Farigiraf on the team ca give you a tailroom mode with Kyogre so you have 2 modes for Kyogre to start throwing water spouts

[solid frigate]

if you don't like my vibes then sure but its a harsh reality that Archaludon is mid here

[foggy lodge]

Nah his team cooks actually imo lol

Just needs some readjustments of sets

[left bobcat]

Arch? GOOD?

[open path]

I love the snarl idea but idk if I’m ready to let go of the scarf yet lmao, I’ll try it out on showdown, thanks!

[gentle crag]

senato123 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[left bobcat]

I did not know I time traveled back to reg h

[foggy lodge]

Well they did

This team is so cool i love it

[tiny karma]

- [Grass]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

To each their own ig

[twin kindle]

Not to rush in but I think some patience and explanation is required too
Give someone poor cash and theyll use it mindlessly, teach them how to make cash and they’re set for the future

Idk I get how defeating it is to jus be told ur constantly wrong

[left bobcat]

Cash? WHERE

[solid frigate]

taxed

[left bobcat]

Me like dinero

[opal trout]

What happened to the final 4 evs on kyogre archaludon torn and Urshifu?

[dense latch]

.

[open path]

Ngl I was too lazy to type them

[twin kindle]

4? Fantastic…

[opal trout]

Ah ok

[opal trout]

It is just hitting one button

It’s not hard

[open path]

It was just way too condescending for someone talking about Pokemon lmao that’s it

[chrome knot]

kinda an airball i fear i wouldn’t rly want people to run unoptimal stuff 😭

[twin kindle]

Time to teach these kiddos manners

[dense latch]

point is you should tell someone why what they have may not work instead of pointing it out and not elaborating any further

[solid frigate]

i'm just too annoyed from what the hell happened last time

[left bobcat]

I’m two steps ahead of you

[twin kindle]

NNOT WITH A BAZOOKA

[open path]

Lore drop?

[twin kindle]

With a loving smile 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺 🥺

[left bobcat]

Yeah you’re right that’s too generous

Should probably get my mom with the chancla

[twin kindle]

Violence !!

[left bobcat]

That oughta show them

[open path]

Arch used to bully you as a kid?

[twin kindle]

Reg F moment

[dense latch]

way too far

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is literally the reason why i am in VGC

Thats why i am so mad on that spread

[open path]

Ohhh I see, you like bridges

[left bobcat]

Who doesn’t like bridges

[twin kindle]

Burn bridges 🌉

[opal trout]

I’m going to make a choice specs physical attacker archaludon

[dense latch]

fuck bridges

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-23724608

[foggy lodge]

Tang's CIR team updated https://pokepast.es/ec33cbea5a5e3df3

[left bobcat]

Stalwart arch 💪🔥

[foggy lodge]

click to download tang's cir 2.0.0

[dense latch]

i love the new speed stat on cir

[left bobcat]

Why

[dense latch]

i’ve always been a 156 believer

[left bobcat]

4

[foggy lodge]

yeah me too

(idk what speed it reaches)

90?

[dense latch]

90

[solid frigate]

fast speed CIR huh

[foggy lodge]

Ah it outspeeds Ogerpon

[spiral ridge]

It does look like a fun team I may try it

[dense latch]

and torn

[foggy lodge]

Goated speed then

[solid frigate]

under TW yeah

i like they visioned

[opal trout]

This looks good
https://pokepast.es/347c3530572ba309

[dense latch]

i used to run 156 next to eleki so two ewebs + a glacial lance would take out opposing rockpon

[foggy lodge]

aqua jet on urshifu makes me feel validated i always hated not being able to pick up a ko because i don't have prio

btw i found a rockpon koraidon with solar blade

[spiral ridge]

Aqua jet urshi is good yeah

[foggy lodge]

its between the line of absolute dogshit tech or genious

[solid frigate]

ok yeah fair enough

[left bobcat]

Rain dance ursh 🔥🔥🔥

[solid frigate]

and it does Extra 10 BP

[foggy lodge]

I mean

If you don't want to miss power whip is decent but you get cooked by a Kyogre winning the weather battle

[dense latch]

https://x.com/unironicpanda/status/1894047634416881955?s=46

justin (@unironicpanda) on X

@pat_con5 I will get into more of the specifics for my euic video but basically we weren’t clicking cc much anymore in practice and Sanvy bullied me

X · Feb 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

[foggy lodge]

Real

[dense latch]

where do i get a personal bully to tell me when i fuck up during teambuilding or in practice

[foggy lodge]

I clicked CC more often tho just for Zamazenta but taunt/detect is necessary so makes sense

[solid frigate]

his opponent's Name makes it even more funnier

[dense latch]

or do i have to wait to get on a regional stream and hope michael kelsch reacts to it

[spiral ridge]

Lmfao

[foggy lodge]

and get absolutely roasted by him

Pokealex too

[solid frigate]

roasting go brrrrr

[mint void]

u have EVs for the eleki team?

[real prairie]

Be nice lol

[real prairie]

I'd disagree

Oh also evening all

[spiral ridge]

heya

[real prairie]

I've decided I'm taking Ludicolo back into the next GC

[opal trout]

Nice

I’m using the Zamazenta team you hate

[real prairie]

People are so unfamiliar with it's moveset they protect or set up Infront of it all the time

[real prairie]

I'm also bringing tera ghost red card Incin 🤣

[opal trout]

I made a few changes and it has been working really well
https://pokepast.es/55a5a73a2787bc53

[real prairie]

What's the reasoning for Tera Fairy?

[opal trout]

I actually forgot, I did the calcs a while ago and I forgot where I put them

I’ll see if I can find them

[opal trout]

Is it on amoonguss?

Or ting Lu?

[real prairie]

Amoongus

Ting lu is fine as a fighting counter

[opal trout]

It’s for redirecting Draco meteor

I think

[real prairie]

Very niche

[opal trout]

There may have been other reasons in my notes

[real prairie]

Better to go for a generic defensive tera imo

[opal trout]

Ok

[real prairie]

And give it some spDef bulk to survive a Draco from whatever your chosen attacker is

[opal trout]

I may make it into a rental team after the gc

[real prairie]

This was my Amoongus from 1st GC (effect spore was a surprise for GC usually I'd run Regen)

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Effect Spore
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Protect
• Foul Play

[left bobcat]

I turn now

Good luck everybody else

[opal trout]

I did the most lazy thing for an ev spread, I found on on victory road and copied it lol

Here is what I have now (it’s the evs from Shohei Kimura’s 2024 worlds team)

Toad (Amoonguss) (M) @ Rocky Helmet

Ability: Regenerator

Level: 50

Tera Type: Water

EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 76 SpD / 12 Spe

Calm Nature

IVs: 0 Atk

• Sludge Bomb
• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Protect

I’ll try it on showdown and see if I like it more

[solid frigate]

yeah this is fine

[opal trout]

Time to get 100 Tera water shards

50 for Urshifu and 50 for amoonguss

[foggy lodge]

I have to get for three

Urshifu Hands and Weezing

😭😭😭

[left bobcat]

Ahhhhhhh

It’s nativeeeeeeeeee

[mint void]

rng manip

[dense latch]

i was just using navjit joshi’s worlds team, evs for that team are public

there’s team report and maybe there’s the evs in vgc pastes

navjit had a bit less speed on his cir but i just moved some HP evs to speed

[left bobcat]

What? NO DUDEEEEEAH

[next stump]

howdy people

[mint void]

hello american

[dense latch]

hi dillon

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2a03942e213ff252 debating if I go moon or torn and then a 6th

Maybe Fari or tsareena, or rilla maybe

I like hands amoonguss kyogre but I wasn’t liking the shifu torn side of a different team

[mint void]

torn imo

rain dance is really nice into sun teams

[molten oasis]

Torn gives me a rough time into psyspam CSR

which a ton of people are using

[real prairie]

anyone have any idea how to fix this?

[molten oasis]

Nope

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/dd9e0cd392b328f5 what am I supposed to do to help with psyspam CSR

[bold geode]

Time for Americanized Chinese food

[left bobcat]

Do it come with eggwuh

[mint void]

bug hands?

[molten oasis]

How does bug help psyspam?

[mint void]

resist

[molten oasis]

And I think grass is for amoonguss/shifu

[spiral ridge]

maybe throat chop on chien?

[tiny karma]

- [Bug]

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Grass, Ground

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Flying, Rock

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

cus psyspam usually has prio shutdown

[molten oasis]

Bug does not in fact resist psychic

[mint void]

oh yeah its just effective

idk i hate bug

how are u not weak to poison

[molten oasis]

Throat chop just

Like yea I get it but zama is kinda rough without scared sword

[spiral ridge]

yeahh

maybe swap sucker for it?

[molten oasis]

There’s no way I’m dropping sucker lol

[spiral ridge]

fair

[molten oasis]

Idt no prio is a bad thing

I have ice spinner, the bad thing is just indeedee being fkcn indeedee

[spiral ridge]

fuckin

darkshifu

[bold geode]

It actually do come with egg roll

[molten oasis]

I’m trying to think about other mu’s I need help with but that’s not a bad choice

[spiral ridge]

or flutter

can even use thunder cus rain

[tiny karma]

Move: Thunder

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target. This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 70%.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

70

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Psyspam has CSR

Which is kicking my ass and flutter’s a ghost

[spiral ridge]

yeah? youd outspeed with booster wont you

[molten oasis]

Redirect

[spiral ridge]

uhm

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-indeedee-gif-27380411

Technically THIS is my issue

[spiral ridge]

put flutter in back or protect T1 kill indee with pao?

[molten oasis]

Kyogre torn is usually fine into CSR but a lot of team immediately mirror tailwind so I lose the speed advantage

[molten oasis]

They rarely lead indeedee

[foggy lodge]

You suffer against CSR Geezing

[spiral ridge]

then redirect should be fine if CSR is out already

[molten oasis]

From my experience they lead something to remove pao/kyogre early

[spiral ridge]

like?

[molten oasis]

And then bring in CSR/Deedee to clean endgame

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu?

[molten oasis]

Shifu torn

[spiral ridge]

both flutter take care of well

[molten oasis]

:/

ok

[spiral ridge]

i think using flutter and then whichever of the two come out first you beat down

because then they dont have time to do follow me

[molten oasis]

Don’t most things tho?

[spiral ridge]

if torn and shifu are your issues then darkshifu id recc less

that bitch would be in for it

[foggy lodge]

But they shouldn't

[molten oasis]

It’s more that that lead puts out too much damage on the team and then I fall behind

And then when CSR comes out I lose lol

Which is why I was thinking about moon

Over torn, it’s not prio and resetting rain is more annoying but it helps a lot into that mu

[spiral ridge]

moon could defo work here too yeah

[molten oasis]

What would you suggest for CSR geezing

[spiral ridge]

prayers

[molten oasis]

Yep

[spiral ridge]

:3

ive never really faced it i just heard abt people complaining

[molten oasis]

I lead torn and like, hands ig

Or kyogre since I can set rain regardless if torn isn’t dead

[foggy lodge]

I would suggest the Farigiraf Ursaluna mode for this team but i know you are not gonna accept it tbh

[molten oasis]

Why not?

[foggy lodge]

But in general a normal type like Farigiraf could work

[molten oasis]

I’m fine with trying that

Idk how to really build kyogre too well

He’s new to me

[foggy lodge]

I know a player that has been playing Kyogre Tornadus Ursaluna Farigiraf and i don't remember the last two

[spiral ridge]

Goodluck I’m gonna go lay down and die for a bit

[molten oasis]

Ok

[foggy lodge]

Probably Hands

[molten oasis]

Oh just normal Ursa?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Or BM?

Oh ok, I’d assume hands and something fast for tw mode

[foggy lodge]

Chien-Pao probably

[molten oasis]

Was thinking pao

What Tera on Ursa?

Just normal?

[foggy lodge]

I think he was playing poison

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8f331a2f56e77030

Well

Maybe this is the kyogre team I like

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Iron Treads Hard Press (120 BP) vs. 50 HP / 50 Def Tera Fairy Miraidon: 176-210 (97.2 - 116%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
i think i found it

iron threads seems like the perfect miraidon counter

[mighty stump]

Assuming it Teras and what even is 50/50

This is nowhere near a counter - Treads actually also needs defensive investment to live resisted hits from Miraidon

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Iron Treads: 166-196 (100.6 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[astral kelp]

idk random usuallly they go tankier than that

[mighty stump]

Can’t randomly input EVs and call it a day

[astral kelp]

less tanky i mean

[astral kelp]

oh wait shti good point lmao

[mint void]

u will end up gambling if they tera or not

since u need to outspeed in terrain u need a lot of Speed investment and Attack invest leaving no bulk

so its just about if u get it right if they tera which isnt really a great answer

[astral kelp]

yeah nvm lmao

ig rillaboom is good enough to beat miraidon

[mint void]

I dont think treads is bad into miraidon but idk wouldnt call it the best counter either

[mighty stump]

no you wont

[astral kelp]

honestly maybe ill stick to raichu lmao

it can absorb like

[mighty stump]

you can set up much more consistent lines

[molten oasis]

Hi tofu

[astral kelp]

one attack from miraidon

or plusle lmao

[molten oasis]

What are you cooking

I’m so tired

[astral kelp]

i shouldnt show you my eviolite rhydon then

[molten oasis]

Probably not

[astral kelp]

rhydon kinda has crazy stats when you think about it for a non fully evolved

wtf rock ground is so shit

[sharp cobalt]

I didnt realize that some people ran redirection Electabuzz and Magmar

[mint void]

reg h goat

[sharp cobalt]

I also like the Jumpluff gift

[astral kelp]

GAMBLING

[molten oasis]

Man I sure love that every single amoonguss sludge bomb poisons my iron hands

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/661d8872c00c3c68
what do yall think

[mint void]

uh

[foggy lodge]

WHAAAAAAT

[mint void]

tang team diff invest

[foggy lodge]

Iron fraud,,,

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it was very popular in the previous reg

[mint void]

idk its just tang team but a bit different

[foggy lodge]

Electabuzz has some niches rn tho

[mint void]

what does taunt moon taunt?

just as a replacement for ussh taunt?

tbf I didnt see ursh had no taunt

[solid frigate]

Incin,Prankster Tailwind setters,Grimmsnarl Fari

[foggy lodge]

Tera fairy on atleast one mon is so good tbh

Without it you kinda lose to the obv random Regidrago

[mint void]

im a tera poison moon fan

[charred saddle]

who wouldve thought

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307167466-9hkowd75e9nl88cur06m2ak52qv1aumpw

This replay as an example ig

[mint void]

its still mid on CIR into Zacian drago leads since behemot blade just fucks u up

[foggy lodge]

idk when i used the team CIR Ogerpon just kinda punished it

[mint void]

yeah

[foggy lodge]

And then i had Amoonguss to still redirect + Lando forces the tera or straight up kill

If they lead drago tornadus is a throw

[mint void]

thats the best lead. Like u need it. But I dont like it as much as when Zama was just running Heavy Slamm 100%

[foggy lodge]

The team is kinda teched at this point

But i think tera fairy is kinda the core of the team

[mint void]

probs. I dont like that the fast CIR cant live Mirai EDrifts

would be cool if both are poss

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's bad

The MU into Miraidon isn't that consistent

[mint void]

lando kinda has to carry

[foggy lodge]

mhm

Against Miraidon I would just lead hearthflame CIR and go full into the TR mode lol

[mint void]

like u can get TR up most of the time.

[fallow palm]

yo does somone have a battle ready rilaboom?

[foggy lodge]

And also had to play with Amoonguss because roaring moon does nothing into and shifu only sometimes and loses to hands

[mint void]

I have a shiny but its not ready

still a grookey

[fallow palm]

charizard shiny for it?

[mint void]

fuck I hated hunting that they are smaller than the grass

[foggy lodge]

real

[mint void]

nono cant trade bruv and I want it for myself

[next stump]

dude stop trading here

you’ve already been told multiple times

[foggy lodge]

di llon

[astral kelp]

hmmm what should i add to this

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307182394-te4ii0dpp3ayimtjmrix6tepjfljsknpw

[steep bone]

Where can I find some good starter team presets to get into competitive? Never really tried and wanna learn

[spiral ridge]

Their ass was stalling your TR pretty well for a bit there

Wp

[astral kelp]

#rental_teams

[solid frigate]

thank god Ogerpon redirected most of my Attacks

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to scottyboi7422

[solid frigate]

My CIR did not lose a single health which is suprising for me

[molten oasis]

I feel like you should have seen the alternating protect pattern sooner

They did that the entire game

[solid frigate]

i saw that during turn 5

thats why i killed the Ogerpon switch in

[molten oasis]

You should have seen that t3

Or even t4 lol

More opening for punishes

[solid frigate]

yeah i am not as good on CIR than in Miraidon

but this is probably my favourite game so far

[spiral ridge]

I was gonna say oger saved your ass lol

[molten oasis]

Oger is 100% the reason you won

[solid frigate]

Tang Spread pon moment

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-teal-mask-dlc-gif-5879253822303370158

[spiral ridge]

Well

He got the win in the end

Misplay be damned that’s elo

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2307187653

[spiral ridge]

I might try tang team

[astral kelp]

holy lunala sweep

[spiral ridge]

I haven’t played in a while and I need to

[fallow palm]

does somone have a battle ready rialboom

or a shiny one

[forest arrow]

I have if you need

[solid frigate]

huh

Thats certainly i can copy

[spiral ridge]

I have already dw

[solid frigate]

teambuilding Group:CIR moment

[spiral ridge]

I’d rejoin for that

[fallow palm]

somone?

[solid frigate]

lemme do that rn

[forest arrow]

There’s a trading channel you can go to for that

[spiral ridge]

Miku

[solid frigate]

nuke em moment

[spiral ridge]

I’m so glad to have seen the video this art is referencing

Cus I had no idea it was mikus hair

[molten oasis]

wtf

[spiral ridge]

Miku song

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-deco27-monitoring-gif-11472219618908130338

Deco 27

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/k-bye-gif-4227388164495591971

[spiral ridge]

Yes and no

[molten oasis]

That is so cursed lmfao

[solid frigate]

wtf-

[spiral ridge]

Welcome to miku art

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-fortnite-miku-miku-beam-gif-1142983330998756472

[spiral ridge]

My pfp is miku :3

Tho I love teto more usually

[molten oasis]

I wouldn’t have ever guessed that

[spiral ridge]

Mm?

[molten oasis]

That your pfp is Miku

Auto correct stop

[spiral ridge]

Oh

Uhm
Is a very specific version that’s

Sad

Idk how else to put it

[spiral ridge]

THEIR NEWEST SONG HAS A DB REFERENCE AT THE END WTF

Oh drago did you pick a game

[real prairie]

catching up with the juniors and seniors finals, juniors finals 1st set won by a double protect and then 1v3 from CSR into CIR, Torkoal and Amoonguss

[spiral ridge]

I still need to start watching it

Is there a regional this weekend?

[real prairie]

Global challenge this weekend

[next stump]

one week off and then vancouver next weekend

[spiral ridge]

That’s not steamed so I’ll watch then

[charred saddle]

are you competing in vancouver dillon?

[spiral ridge]

I got drivers test and SAT so I’ll be completely drained and just watch vgc :)

[real prairie]

you might find a couple players streaming it

[next stump]

nope :/ too far from me

my next tournament is atlanta

[charred saddle]

ah ic ic

[spiral ridge]

WAIT NO THATS VANC WEEKEND FUCKKK

[charred saddle]

oo goodluck on that

[solid frigate]

my next tournament is in 2026 probably-

[charred saddle]

damn was about to ask you to join me and minh GC

[spiral ridge]

If they ever go back to balti illl be there

[real prairie]

you are Georgia boy @next stump ?

[spiral ridge]

Well now I can 😭

[charred saddle]

[spiral ridge]

I’m bad with dates :)

[next stump]

nope hahaha i live in chicago

[spiral ridge]

I’m so cooked that weekend kill me now

[next stump]

but it’s only $80 to fly there

[charred saddle]

GC from 28-1

last regist on 27

[next stump]

that’s too cheap to pass on

[real prairie]

not bad

[spiral ridge]

I haven’t played in weeks

[charred saddle]

its fine scotty

[spiral ridge]

Uhm

[charred saddle]

just use smeargle CIR

[spiral ridge]

Do I need team on cart??

Die

[charred saddle]

• muk for intimidation

[spiral ridge]

ROT

[charred saddle]

i think you do yeah

[spiral ridge]

MAKES SENSE oops

[molten oasis]

After ff16 im playing dishonored

[spiral ridge]

I’ll see what I can do

[charred saddle]

jokes aside me and minh will be doing a gbird team so haha

[spiral ridge]

HELL YEAH

Do clean hands trust it’s so cool to figure them out :)))

[molten oasis]

Alright

[real prairie]

reminds me i need to fix my team and put it forward, registration closes soon

[charred saddle]

me gapdos, i think he'll be either garticuno or goltres

[spiral ridge]

No kills makes you learn lot more abt the game

[spiral ridge]

Oh god what if we each do a. Bird

[molten oasis]

Gapdos Zac

[spiral ridge]

Wait no I don’t own any of them

[foggy lodge]

I need to find a team for it

Maybe i just play what im using for bo3 lol

[spiral ridge]

That’s what Leo is doing I pinged you for it hours ago when you were off for help

[foggy lodge]

But it being public doesn't help

[molten oasis]

Oh you did?

My bad

[spiral ridge]

Check inbox lol

[foggy lodge]

I may be using Alcremie

[charred saddle]

i can gib you mine

[spiral ridge]

It’s all good that’s why I said when cus I guessed as much