competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

And Euphoria

[rustic mountain]

euphoria is crazy hahaha good for him

[mint void]

@regal latch i guess it at least doesn't actively hurt it. Go for it man. Just a PSA from my side.
Im probably gonna go with Kyurem for now so

[regal latch]

I appreciate all feedback.

[bold geode]

Wasn't like full songs for either one but yeah the stadium sang A Minor so we cool

Drake ain't recovering from this

[trim hound]

Kyurem-B?

[mint void]

He wants to use Harc. If u just play for fun anyway why not 🤷

@trim hound nah man thats too much. Id love to but needing 2 items just is to much cost

[regal latch]

I mostly play for fun. I’m mostly experimenting to put a team together for the regulation on the switch.

[mint void]

Have fun

[trim hound]

play for fun

This is the number 1 reason people do dumb shit then wonder why their ass is getting beat like a kid who fucked around and found out

[regal latch]

Once I get better at understanding tendencies and stuff I’ll try to put other stuff together that makes more sense competitively.

[trim hound]

This is the opposite thing you should be doing learning pokemon

[regal latch]

It’s not that serious for me bro.

[mint void]

@trim hound meh. Like idgaf if I lose witha team I made for fun only.
If your goal was to win then losing sucks but as long as u arr aware that sth u are doing isnt a guarantee for success, more so the opposite then its pretty easy to cope

[regal latch]

I understand I’m at a disadvantage playing with Feraligatr that’s for sure. lol

[trim hound]

If you like mainlining copium everyday sure

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 160: Feraligatr

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/100/79/83/78

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[mint void]

Nah. I personally dont. Im mostly focused on good teams but I can see people having fun using what they want

[regal latch]

I just got back into Pokemon. Let me live. lol

[trim hound]

You have to learn how to fuck around before you can do it

[mint void]

Disagree

[regal latch]

No we don’t.

[mint void]

Casual players probably don't give a fuck

[trim hound]

Like I shit up my locals with Palkia-O, but I'm not bringing that shit to a regionals

[trim hound]

Casual players are also speedbumps wondering why they always lose

[solid frigate]

Kirin let them argue for now they are doing their sutff

[mint void]

It being the correct approach to success doesn't matter since thats not the goal for some.
If someone comes here and says he wants to compete then your aproach without a doubt is correct

[trim hound]

reads channel name

What the fuck is this chat then for

[real prairie]

As someone that took Ludicolo to a regional I'm on the side of "have fun but understand when you put yourself at a disadvantage you are more likely to lose"

[regal latch]

Oh this is often?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[regal latch]

Oh okay. I’m peeping the community. lol

[mint void]

Otherwise its still not bad advise s8nce winning is fun but I dont see use in forxing people as long as they know what they are doing is suboptimal

[trim hound]

Someone was in hear a while ago complaining about why they couldn't teambuild right.

Turns out he was on Zac and complaining about Urshifu and Incin, the two most played mons this reg

Every
Single
Fucking
Time

[mint void]

Yes I agree. But his case doesnt fit the name.

[real prairie]

Some are hard core meta gamers, others want to achieve with the unrealistic. Just VGC for you

[mint void]

For the dude with Zacian thats just a different case where he needed education to make better for himself

^

[regal latch]

I’m good to talk about teams that aren’t ultra competitive though, correct?

[mint void]

Its cool to be able to make sth niche work but its also really hard and often not the best pick to winning

[trim hound]

If you had the knowledge on Zac you wouldn't play it

[regal latch]

Or do I need to redirect to a different channel?

[mint void]

Nah I think we are cool.
Arguements are important man

[trim hound]

Ostensibly this is the correct channel, but otoh competitive implies you are actually trying to win/be serious

[mint void]

Cant be better if u dont see others opinions

[trim hound]

This. Someone fucking gets it

[real prairie]

We have people that ranked 1 with furret (shout-out @torn parrot) , discuss anything in here. But take advise onboard

[mint void]

Just dont take criticism personal and you are set for a good time.

[foggy lodge]

regigigas too

[regal latch]

Never take it personal. I’m just the noob trying to get back into the swing of things

[next stump]

I think shutting down someone’s desire to play VGC how they want to is never the move in a chat like this

I totally get saying “Hey you’re actively handicapping yourself/I can’t help” but no point in dunking on someone or calling them a hyper casual

[foggy lodge]

its so funny

[mint void]

I had no grasp on the reg G meta s8nce I had to skip the 1st time unfortunately. Now Id say Im doing pretty fine on most archetypes

[regal latch]

To be transparent, I’m good. None of it bothers me.

[real prairie]

And Pawmont

[cyan smelt]

people learn in different ways, and using your favourites is a way for people to have fun, they're less likely to stick with it if they're not having fun

[trim hound]

There is 100% a time to tell someone they fucked up and need to unfuck it

[regal latch]

I’m just going to take Feraligatr to worlds. 😏

[solid frigate]

its just so annoying seeing people doing that rn

[solid frigate]

do it lmao

[real prairie]

That's the spirit

[mint void]

7 need the right dose of respect

[bold geode]

This

[foggy lodge]

personal opinion im on the side you should start with the most meta team ever because it teaches you in a more transparent way the fundies

but idc enough so if you want to play Harc just starting is fine

[next stump]

If the options are:

1. They play with bad pokemon/teams but still play/enjoy VGC

2. They play more meta, dislike it, and quit VGC

option 1 is always better. I’m not saying that’s gonna be the case in this exact scenario but there’s a limit to advice/guiding you should do if someone truly wants to use whatever they want

[mint void]

8f your goal is improving then yes

[trim hound]

Yeah but if you tell people that (like I did initially) people get fucking defensive as shit

[bold geode]

That's true
But Dillon also has a valid point
I think for learning meta is best but if people wanna do it for fun, fuck it

[bold geode]

Sounds like someone needs to calm down

[trim hound]

And then you have to watch them get frustrated as they bring their team you know is fucked get shit on repeatedly

[cyan smelt]

it's not that deep

[real prairie]

You'd have to beat 5-4 in an official tournament to because the world #1 feraligatr player @regal latch

God speed

[torn parrot]

i didnt do it with furret only top 100 with furret, i did do it with ribombee tho

[bold geode]

Huh

[mint void]

@trim hound 8dk how much of Kirin u saw already but it never seemed as they were frustrated. 8t was obvious that they were just playing to play

[trim hound]

Sounds like I've had to deal with this at my locals from players who consistently sit at the bottom tables

[real prairie]

From what I can see on Labmaus that's the highest ranked Feraligatr

[bold geode]

Sounds like this is literally an online chat that doesn't matter and we need to step back and calm down cuz it ain't that serious

[mint void]

@bold geode to be the no.1 feraligator

[bold geode]

I can't be the #1 Infernape player and that saddens me

Damn it Jamie Boyt

[mint void]

Tbf thats a different environment with people obviously trying to compete

[solid frigate]

this chat has become the Vent chat now-

[bold geode]

Not always correct

[mint void]

Idk never been to locals

[real prairie]

6-3 is the highest infernape no? Or you mean all time?

[solid frigate]

just SV for now i think but idk

[mint void]

@real prairie tf he do?

[bold geode]

There's some that go to events iirc to just have fun even if they do bring meta or non meta shit

[mint void]

Well O guess there will be but Idk if they would complain then

[solid frigate]

Meta or Anti Meta or niche

I did bring Crown which is Anti Meta

[next stump]

the reality of competitive gaming is there will always be people who just don’t prioritize winning. It’s annoying when they do that and complain about losing, but what are you going to do? It’s pointless to frustrate yourself with it

[mint void]

^

[bold geode]

Well that's on them so dw bout it

[real prairie]

All games have the meta hater ultra competitive types, but not a lot you can do about that.

[bold geode]

My thing is like I can tell you not to but at the end of the day you chose to run whatever so that's you

[trim hound]

Rub their own nose in their own shit, unfortunately

[real prairie]

Can't beat them, join them is a very simple competitive mindset that goes across most games in esports

[mint void]

W/e, friendly advice shouldn't hurt I guess. Wouldnt do it to people idk at a local probs. Cba to piss someone off who is in punching range

@real prairie everybody after San Antonio

[real prairie]

Fr

[bold geode]

If it makes you mad then just whatever lmao

[next stump]

LOL

sidenote but anyone who gives unsolicited advice at an IRL tournament is so cringe

[bold geode]

Like I'll give you advice but idgaf if you listen or not

[dense latch]

wtf happened in this channel lmao

[mint void]

Conversation

[molten oasis]

arguments

[bold geode]

Like I'll tell you not to run Rayquaza cuz it's ass
You can still run it

[solid frigate]

yeah its your opinions and choice to run it

[bold geode]

I always tell people they can run it if they really want but to understand they'll have a harder time than someone who runs said meta
I present a choice and let them understand what comes with said choices

[trim hound]

You can run it, but I'm still going to call you free

[mint void]

Yeah. I feel giving advise to someone you dont know is so weird I just have that with people randomly giving me "advise".
Im just sitting there like...yeah I know why tf are u telling me

[real prairie]

Fuck it, Raya ludi core incoming

[bold geode]

And that's kinda toxic

[torn parrot]

my opinion is be nice, but just tell people how it is and what theyre getting into

[bold geode]

Calling someone free is kinda toxic dude and if you did that to me at an event I'm immediately calling a judge over if that's even possible

[mint void]

Yeah. I think we all agree 9n the broad picture of letting people run w/e but making them aware 9f the disadvantages also isnt that bad.

[trim hound]

Technically it is, but no one will make that call at a locals

Especially one filled with FGC players

[molten oasis]

what if they arent going to locals or are just playing ladder

[bold geode]

Yeah but that doesn't mean that it's ok

[mint void]

Also incredibly embarrassing if the free person then beats u.
I could never recover.

[molten oasis]

ong

[bold geode]

Exactly

[trim hound]

Taunt > Get Bodied is a classic combo

[left bobcat]

Oh shi

[bold geode]

True
Honestly I'm either calling a judge over or rolling your ass and calling you free

[real prairie]

Nothing more poetic than a good humbling

[left bobcat]

Poetic justice

[bold geode]

Like it's not right to do so but I'll talk shit back

[dense latch]

kendrick is that u?

[mint void]

@trim hound litterally everytike some types: u are free or gg in a league chat before the game is done has lost the game

[bold geode]

But yeah just don't do that

[molten oasis]

correct

[trim hound]

My best one was dunking on some Zama player while playing Blazblue

Wasn't even paying attention 90% of the time

[bold geode]

Like why get mad at people over a fucking game where you're making fake animals fight for your amusement

[molten oasis]

kendrick jumpscare

[left bobcat]

Man watched that shit and discussed it

[mint void]

We are horrible people ngl

[trim hound]

Because some of us take our Michael Vick simulator seriously

[mint void]

N was right

[bold geode]

Yeah but I'm addicted

[solid frigate]

i'm just here casually playing Splatoon 2 as trip down memory lane but no this chat

Well is a chat

[bold geode]

And they don't, it's honestly whatever

[mint void]

Lol

[dense latch]

i dont see the issue in ppl running non-meta/bad pokemon if they know they’re at a disadvantage

[bold geode]

Literally life becomes better when you stop giving a fuck about what others do

[mint void]

@real prairie smh

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/teen-titans-starfire-mustard-condiments-national-mustard-day-gif-27649683

[real prairie]

Amen

[bold geode]

Except celebrities cuz it's fun to make fun of those

[mint void]

Some things you should give a fuck abt but Pokémon just isnt one of those

[bold geode]

This

Just play the damn game

[mint void]

Idk I should be sleeping ngl

[real prairie]

Ditto

[bold geode]

I said play the damn game

[solid frigate]

i'm just woke up in 12 am so i can chill a bit

[real prairie]

2.24am and I have the school run in a few hours LOL

[mint void]

Someone is lurking

[trim hound]

Imagine sleeping instead of prepping for your next dogfighitng simulator game

[real prairie]

My guy, your sleep schedule is whack

[bold geode]

You woke up at midnight you fucking creature?

[mint void]

@trim hound war thunder mentioned

[trim hound]

No Pokemon lol

[bold geode]

Rivals?

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz i slept at 9 pm

[mint void]

Thats not an excuse lol

[trim hound]

@torn parrot we see you lurking

[foggy lodge]

me losing time sleeping 8 hours instead of practicing my zamazennta match up

[real prairie]

My guy... You aren't on HK time anymore 🤣

[dense latch]

feel like that’s making your case worse

[bold geode]

You went for 3 hours of sleep and still fucked up

[trim hound]

You don't need 8, caffeine fixes that

[mint void]

Its 3 or 8 ngl

[bold geode]

You're supposed to sleep at 6am and wake up at 9 dumbass

[solid frigate]

idk give me a break i can't sleep well after i come to uk

[real prairie]

It's not exactly serene I'll give you that

[trim hound]

boot up SD
first MU is Miraidon

ez

[real prairie]

Like a little bunny in the bushes waiting for you to turn the other way to run out

[torn parrot]

if someone is coming into the game for the sole purpose of just wanting to use running the stuff they like, i feel like you should just tell them what they can do about it and what the realistic approach to it is. If they end up having a hard time then that's on them, but theres just no reason to make them feel extra bad about it because the alternative is they probably wont play at all because of the unwelcoming experience.

[solid frigate]

which this chat clearly does not provide at all

[mint void]

@torn parrot that

Meh

I feel we are capable. We just like to argue more

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fired-up-pointing-finger-molly-sims-she-gets-it-gif-11773779

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

that includes me

[mint void]

@regal latch lmk what u came up with btw.

[real prairie]

We are now arguing about arguing, time for bed 🤣

I'll see you in the morning when I wake up to 800+ messages

Once again, welcome @regal latch 😉😭🤣

[mint void]

@solid frigate nah like I feel that we probably arent gonna brong harc to world but helping someone figure out a team that works on sd ladder is possible for surr

[bold geode]

Anyways Pokemon

[mint void]

Yes

Anyone had the impression that wolfey is toxic?

[trim hound]

From the conversation I had with him, he's slimy as shit

[solid frigate]

i mean if trapinch have niches that cover up to bring into worlds

Then idk

[real prairie]

Cocky maybe, toxic, no.

[bold geode]

I mean I've heard some people have had well not great interactions but for most part I don't think he is

[trim hound]

Like a used car salesmen

[bold geode]

It's probably just cockiness but when you have the accolades he has can you really blame him if some of that slips out

[mint void]

Had someone tell me that he is toxic

[trim hound]

Worlds players are far different from Timbo playing some "funsies" mon

[mint void]

@bold geode ngl with his portfolio id just call it confidence

[real prairie]

Also, and I mean this in the most loving way possible he comes across super socially awkward.

[mint void]

A little

[solid frigate]

worlds players or not

Its how you implement it

[bold geode]

Blud hard pinging me in the same room /j

[mint void]

Cant tell. Never met

[bold geode]

Nah I'm joking
It's just what people think

[mint void]

@bold geode mahh bad

[bold geode]

I'm just joking @mint void idgaf

[trim hound]

It's real easy to, he comes across as a used car salesman

[mint void]

Yeah i know. Playing into it

If grown to like him through his vids so yeah

[bold geode]

It's whatever once again idrc

[next stump]

no one brings goofy shit to worlds because they’re spending like $3000+ just to qualify for the event hahaha

[trim hound]

A worlds player will implement it better than Timmy will

[bold geode]

I respect him cuz he doesn't try to charge $90/hr for advice

[torn parrot]

yeah but why do you care that much if they dont care

[solid frigate]

so you basically calling Maya a timmy-

[trim hound]

How do I improve if my opponents don't

[dense latch]

it’s one person out of thousands lmao

[bold geode]

Why are you at the bottom tables

[molten oasis]

so your logic is to ruin someone elses fun so you can fight better people? that makes no sense

[bold geode]

Yeah just fucking win bro

[trim hound]

I'm not, locals are small bruv

[bold geode]

This argument is so fucking stupid

[mint void]

Weird take imo. You are responsible for improving nor ur opponent

[bold geode]

Yes that

[mint void]

Playing matches isnt the only way to improve

[bold geode]

Write it down

Jarvis archive that shit

[trim hound]

Stagnation for being the best in a room is a thing. Big fish small pool etc

[mint void]

Id call it arrogance

There will be games u win despite mistakes

Find them. Iron them out

[bold geode]

You will always have a common denominator that someone will always be good vs everyone else in a competition
You can always improve yourself
You can always be the better player no matter the skill level of the people around you

[trim hound]

It is far harder to find any gain once you are on top

[molten oasis]

and you're ontop?

you win regionals?

[trim hound]

At my locals yes

[next stump]

unless you live in the northeast or california, the locals in NA all suck anyways

[mint void]

Imma just drop this atp.

[molten oasis]

I've never heard of you before

[mint void]

Getting personal

[solid frigate]

i don't even have locals in Mnchester lmao

[bold geode]

It doesn't matter if you're fighting the World's winning team or a fucking Garbodor
There are always key good habits you can train yourself to play by and good habits you should always stick to no matter what

[molten oasis]

i dont got locals either lol

[regal latch]

I will!

[solid frigate]

Nova is the prime example of the second part at least

[regal latch]

@real prairie I love it here.

[bold geode]

Don't let fighting shit teams be the reason you stop trying to improve
Repeat the same motions/habits you would do against good teams cuz in a regional event you probably will have to perform against either or

Also anything can happen in these games so even a worse player can beat you
Your opponent can be lacking but that doesn't mean you should ever be caught lacking

[trim hound]

My locals is at the point where people are stagnating in both directions, and is probably going to fall apart soon

[mint void]

That would suck

[trim hound]

It's why you have to push for everyone to improve

[mint void]

Valid to be worried but u cant force people. That's just how it is

[solid frigate]

thebestest is literally an Asian Parent right now-

[trim hound]

Otherwise I have to throw games for people to feel good, and we all know that's a hollow as shit victory

[trim hound]

Note how you didn't say B-sian

[mint void]

Just dont do that

[bold geode]

Man I am
I'm gonna go eat nachos

[mint void]

Big idea

Already did that

[trim hound]

I mean, I've already started playing a shit restricted to sandbag

and I'm still dunking

[next stump]

what state are you in? and how small are the tournaments?

[mint void]

Just keep winning. People will antagonise u and want to beat u inevitably improving doing so

[next stump]

at that point just stop going if you’re bored lol

[trim hound]

Oregon, out in the boonies

[knotty mirage]

I have question is bastiodon usable on current reg ?

[next stump]

are you hitting up vancouver?

[next stump]

lowkey it’s actually not bad

[trim hound]

other side of the state

[knotty mirage]

I have seen people using it seem's to be a budget zamazenta

[next stump]

wide guard user with insane defense

[mint void]

@knotty mirage day 2 in san antonio

Whole group dedicated to Bastiodon tho

[trim hound]

I'd show up to Vancouver if it wasn't a fuckass long drive both ways

[knotty mirage]

Damn i'm just surprised this pokemon can achieve something on comp

[mint void]

@trim hound im goong to Paris at some random weekend next month with some friends just cause why not its gonna be fun

Its like 6hrs(?) idk have to check

[molten oasis]

fun

my options are NAIC and worlds lol

[mint void]

@molten oasis go qualify then

[molten oasis]

then i have to win NAIC

[mint void]

We are going to paris just for fun. Not Pokémon related. Just to argue for road trips

[molten oasis]

oh ic

[next stump]

luckily NAIC is like a mini worlds

[mint void]

Havent been in good shape since im outta the hospital and was stuck at home so just trynna do something

[next stump]

by far the coolest tournament of the year anyone can play in

[molten oasis]

yea my friend and i went last year it was pretty fun

[mint void]

Traveling is fun as shit

Wnlent on a trip arnd italy last year. Best 10 days if my life

[molten oasis]

if i get a lot out of my tax refund i'll prob put most of it into going to NAIC

i wish it wsnt in new orleans again

[bold geode]

My options are something next year unfortunately
Hopefully shit ain't too expensive

[next stump]

part of me wishes it was back in columbus since it’s cheaper

[mint void]

My proudest feat is probably driving from Pisa to Geneva to Düsseldorf in one go.

[next stump]

but new orleans has more to do

[molten oasis]

no longer going to NAIC?

[bold geode]

Didn't I tell you?

Maybe not
Probably not going cuz odds are around the time I might have to move house

[molten oasis]

oh, damn

[mint void]

@knotty mirage james baek made a vid 4 hrs ago with Bastiodon

[bold geode]

Idek if we are actually gonna move or not but hell by the time I do know for sure the registration will probably be long gone

Imma try to do something next season though
I really wanna meet the people who have helped me throughout these past couple years

[plain drum]

Monke proceeds to go to a convention and shake hands with a Rillaboom mascot

[bold geode]

One of my goals actually is to one day save up enough money to fly out and meet Tofu

Remember the promise: first event I go to I'm wearing the banana suit

[plain drum]

Oh true

[solid frigate]

lmao

i would laugh Hysterically if i saw that

[molten oasis]

same

[torn parrot]

i understand how you feel, but doesn't that seem like a local issue
theres like an endless supply skilled players for you to fight, this discord and your locals are just a small part of the community
you could enter some large limitless tournaments or try out a regional one day. or even just climb high on the best of 3 ladder

[trim hound]

there is a large difference between a limitless tourney/regional vs a locals

and you act like I don't

[torn parrot]

yeah but my point is youll never run out of places to help you improve if you look in the right places

[solid frigate]

i need to see that frfr lmao

[solid frigate]

and in competitive Mentality on improving,every moment is where you make progress

Nothing is no progress

[torn parrot]

yeah i feel you, im just speaking on him wanting to to make his competition better
tho i think if he wants competition there are plenty of places to find it

he talked about being a big fish in a small pond, then he should just find a pond with bigger fish

[trim hound]

watching my locals wither is the problem, because I've lost all motivation

[torn parrot]

yeah i getcha, it does seem sad that the quality of players over there are dwindling
i guess it just takes a larger pool of players in order to find the ones with a competitive drive, but I wish i could say there was more you could do

[next stump]

the worlds qualification changes murdered my locals scene

we used to regularly get 20-30 people for a MSS and 15-20 for a PC

now we get maybe 10 max for a challenge (PC) and 15 max for a cup (MSS)

[fluid fiber]

I know she's banned from VGC, but what's a good Meloetta set?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 648: Meloetta

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Serene Grace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/77/77/128/128/90

Total

600

Other Formes

Meloetta-Pirouette

Sableye version 4.28.1

[trim hound]

Some Sp.A set

[solid frigate]

i dunno but i just run Pure Special Set with Hyper Voice and Psychic honestly

[trim hound]

You never actually want to swap formes

[fluid fiber]

Ive been using Relic Song, Thunder, CC, and protect

The 20% Sleep is nice

[tiny karma]

Move: Relic Song

Has a 10% chance to cause the target to fall asleep. If this move is successful on at least one target and the user is a Meloetta, it changes to Pirouette Forme if it is currently in Aria Forme, or changes to Aria Forme if it is currently in Pirouette Forme. This forme change does not happen if the Meloetta has the Sheer Force Ability. The Pirouette Forme reverts to Aria Forme when Meloetta is not active.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[trim hound]

10%

[fluid fiber]

10% + Serene Grace

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 648: Meloetta-Pirouette

Types

Normal/Fighting

Abilities

Serene Grace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/128/90/77/77/128

Total

600

Base Species

Meloetta

Sableye version 4.28.1

[fluid fiber]

And then Thunder gets a 60% to paralyze

[trim hound]

Yeah but the stance dance fucks you

[fluid fiber]

But changing forms does kinda suck

Yeah

[trim hound]

Losing 40 BST

[fluid fiber]

I don't understand why they did that

[trim hound]

Muh mixed attackers

As if Gen 4 didn't mutilate mixed attackers

[fluid fiber]

So just forget about hyper voice?

[trim hound]

forget about Relic Song

[fluid fiber]

Thats what I meant lol

Hyper voice, thunder, protect, and what?

Psychic?

[mint void]

Wdym?

[trim hound]

stat change from Meloetta form

[mint void]

Doesnt she swap attack stats with the stance change?

[trim hound]

yes

[spring dock]

It’s the same BST

[mint void]

Yeah good couldnt figure out where she got the speed from from swapping arnd

@spring dock he means effective BST

[trim hound]

you have to EV for either attack stat or go mixed

[mint void]

And that too...idk I feel u acn never ev zhis efficiently

When u stance change

[trim hound]

You'd have to run Tera Blast and pray to god

[spring dock]

I don’t play much, why is effective BST different? Does it exclude spatk/atk based on which you use less

[mint void]

@spring dock so you know for example iron valiant vs roaring moon

[trim hound]

you aren't going mixed outside of rare circumstances

so the other attack stat is worthless

[mint void]

Valiant has 2 high attack stats but u will ever only use one effectively making the other one useless

[spring dock]

Right that’s just what I was confirming Ty

[gentle crag]

amcom72 has given 1 Gen Rep to thebestest1

[mint void]

Substraction the unused stat gives you the effective BST

Moon has low spatk there for having a high effective bst

[trim hound]

and in the case of Meloetta, switching to Piroette means you lose 40 Sp.A, and get hit with STAB Foul Play harder

[mint void]

Or ur first hit to change stance is soft and unare stuck with only 3 moves after changing stance since you dont want to swap back

If it wasnt for stance change the move would be great

[trim hound]

yeah, it's like Sp.A Mega Ray, but worse

[mint void]

Wait nvm. I thought it was a higher BP than 75

Its just ass

[trim hound]

like maybe you can take advantage of the fighting type swap, but realistically you just bitch moan and cry

like most restricteds

[mint void]

I guess just dont use relic song ngl. Hypervoice throat spray or we

[trim hound]

Hyper Voice, Tera Blast, Psychic/Expanding Force, Protect

[twin kindle]

Does she get nasty plot

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 648: Meloetta

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Serene Grace

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/77/77/128/128/90

Total

600

Other Formes

Meloetta-Pirouette

Sableye version 4.28.1

Meloetta's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Brick Break, Close Combat, Covet, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Last Resort, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Payback, Play Rough, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Stone Edge, Strength, Thunder Punch, Triple Axel, U-turn, Wake-Up Slap, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Relic Song, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Celebrate, Charm, Coaching, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Gravity, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Metronome, Perish Song, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recycle, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Teeter Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meloetta.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

Metronome

[solid frigate]

oh no

[left bobcat]

And I’m back

Man that was a lot of homework

[empty wadi]

is it possible to get kubfu in sv? i dont got swsh

[cyan smelt]

If you have the DLC it's one of the snacksworth legends

[empty wadi]

thanks

[gentle crag]

trulyshigu has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[cyan smelt]

is it just me or do people below 1400 not really know what they're doing

[solid frigate]

its always like that

[cyan smelt]

I've only lost twice so far

[real prairie]

Morning peeps

[cyan smelt]

Sup

[real prairie]

Too much work to do and too much pokemon id rather be doing

[cyan smelt]

I want to ladder some more but I'm scared of running into someone really good who'll whoop my ass (or calyrex shadow)

[real prairie]

I want to re-try my B'ham team later but with Red Card Incin in BO3. its so distruptive in BO1 lol

[cyan smelt]

Does red card even do much, I imagine it'd slightly annoy zamazenta

[empty wadi]

i kinda dont like ice calyrex😔

[solid frigate]

in what way

[empty wadi]

idk how to use him with amoongus lmao

[solid frigate]

Mmmmmmm

[cyan smelt]

You use an incineroar with taunt and safety goggles

[solid frigate]

just make Amooguss slower than it since i saw most CIR players tend to make to slower than their CIR(I dont use Amogus anyway for my CIR team)

[solid frigate]

Shigu said he does not know how to use CIR+Amogus

[cyan smelt]

Oh I thought it was playing cir with opposing Amoonguss

[empty wadi]

bro last match i got tired 💀 (encore whimsicott)

[solid frigate]

Miraidon MU?

[empty wadi]

yeah but for some reason he didnt use miraidon

but i still won lmao

[solid frigate]

As Miraidon Main,Lead Mirai Hands lmao

[empty wadi]

he used incin, whim, iron hands and someone else

i won cuz i had amoongus tho

everyone on his team was always sleeping

[solid frigate]

ok not leading miraidon is a Bold and Stupid move

[cyan smelt]

How you not gonna bring miraidon when there's an opposing Amoonguss lol

[empty wadi]

i mean im new to ranked and competitive pokemon and im only pokeball tier so i guess thats pretty fair

[solid frigate]

ok cart Ladder i see

[empty wadi]

im still figuring out my main team and i think it might be this Koraidon team

[solid frigate]

can you show me the team in Pokepaste?

[cyan smelt]

Is this calm mind leftovers/covert cloak miraidon gonna be a thing now

[empty wadi]

which one?

[solid frigate]

Koraidon

[empty wadi]

https://pokepast.es/9bff39d6e30fed1b

[solid frigate]

im still using Specs cuz I genuinely think that kinda kills the Pace of Hyper Offense

[empty wadi]

its the team that cybertronvgc posted a while back, its pretty fun

[solid frigate]

good enough if its from Aaron

[empty wadi]

im looking for the average Calm Mind Calyrex-Shadow team, might use that instead of Calyrex-Ice

[cyan smelt]

That must be why I'm seeing so many Umbreons in the games I watch

[solid frigate]

just use Covert Cloak Calm Mind Variant and Slap The FWG core and two Flexible pokemon then it should be fine

cuz my god i cant stress it enough

[real prairie]

Pisses off Zama but also gets rid of anything with a Proto boost, specifically Flutter

[cyan smelt]

Don't they just fake out incin and then get booted

Oh wait, tsareena

[real prairie]

id imagine they would try to do that in BO3, which is why i need to test

but in BO1, I can bring Whims + Incin against Flutter, get TW up and boot Flutter for trying to icy wind

[solid frigate]

which kinda forces pressure towards people who want to disrupt incin

[real prairie]

and its tera ghost, so i can avoid the fake out if i need to and force their spread move to get booted

[cyan smelt]

Tera ghost incin is annoying for zama

[real prairie]

the only way they could make Incin more annoying is with follow me 🤣

[cyan smelt]

It gets fake out, taunt and parting shot already

• intimidate

[real prairie]

• Wilo

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[real prairie]

knock off too lol

[cyan smelt]

I need to figure out what I do against tera ghost incin and tera fairy caly ice

Because usually they tera ghost and start intim cycling

With will o wisp thrown in

[real prairie]

I usually just nuke it with Water Spout ngl 🤣

tera water Incin is a bigger problem for me lol

[cyan smelt]

So many things that are tera water ATM to watch out for, lando, caly s, didn't realise incin could run tera water too

[real prairie]

yeah, i assume Kyogre is the reason for that

its a 2 for 1, it helps with Kyogre and CIR

[cyan smelt]

Helps with rapid strike too

[empty wadi]

bro wtf are these calyrex shadow users in the bottom tier

turn 1-2 their calyrex dies lmaoo

[next stump]

chi-yu helps a lot with that

as does throat chop incin if you can pivot around tera or get some chip damage on them

[cyan smelt]

I have throat chop chien pao, does that help?

[next stump]

wait hahaha it’s early in the morning for me

i meant chien-pao, ye

[solid frigate]

i was concern on why Throat Chop Incin lmao

[cyan smelt]

Wasn't that a thing in gen 8

[next stump]

yeah it didn’t get knock off back then

so it was throat chop or darkest lariat

[real prairie]

i think the only real thing i need a solution for is Tera'd Zama

but between encoring it + ghost Incin, i think i can work around that

plus if its been red carded its an easier thing for Pao + Tserenna

[opal trout]

They are really stupid

[empty wadi]

covert cloak whim or focus sash endeavor whim?

https://pokepast.es/319456b0db13b85c would this work or no

would farigiraf or incineroar be better

[chrome knot]

having miraidon means incin doesn’t necessarily have to be safety goggles

[empty wadi]

really?

[chrome knot]

mhm

[empty wadi]

i wanna protect it from amoonguss but yeah probably just gonna be knocked off

https://pokepast.es/3daa18debe878ff1 heres the complete team, would incineroar be better than farigiraf in this situation??

[solid frigate]

electric Terrain stops sleep

[empty wadi]

wow

first time i ever heard of that

[solid frigate]

i mean If you go with Fari thats just basically the worlds winning team

[empty wadi]

but inci is viable either way tho?

[solid frigate]

anti Priority is probably better in this case

[chrome knot]

is it !?

[left bobcat]

Yes

[chrome knot]

what priority moves do you not want to see on this team😭

[left bobcat]

The team

[solid frigate]

unless you can handle it but since this guy is new,then just prefer that over Incin

Personally i would just do either

[chrome knot]

so what priority moves do you not want to see

that would require farig

[real prairie]

farig is usually on these teams for the TR mode, anti priority is just a bonus

fake out avoidance on specs Miraidon too i guess

[solid frigate]

fake Out
Sucker Punch
Extreme Speed
PRANKSTER status moves

[charred saddle]

emmy

[left bobcat]

armor tail…..

[charred saddle]

im starting to love maxdef firepon

its so goddamn strong on playing with koraidon with pagos team

also twave flutter is beautiful

[chrome knot]

encore not incin fake out users fake out + having ursh just nukes it, non issue

sucker punch (?) id be more scared of it clicking spinner

barely anybody clicks espeed in the format rn and the mon that does gets absolutely nuked by miraidon/whimsicott/iron hands

the only prankster status move is twave which ur immune to by default as miraidon, farig+1 that isn’t named miraidon is mostly just an annoyingly passive board that good teams just farm tf out of

[left bobcat]

I’m starting to love Sinistcha even more

[chrome knot]

not to mention all the threats in question are weak to incin cycling lmao

[charred saddle]

and twave mostly is in flutter now

[solid frigate]

ok Emma thats just you

This is someone else that is new to VGC

You really want me to not just give worlds team to get the hand on Miraidon teams first before having additional changes?

[chrome knot]

no its probably fine to do so, but no farig felt yummy when i played miraidon

[solid frigate]

bruh

[chrome knot]

cir & sun is like nightmare mu with no incin😭

[solid frigate]

at least for me its alright but varies from experiences

[real prairie]

im seeing a lot more Encore Ogre's

[tranquil kraken]

@chrome knot how it go

[chrome knot]

bad in a good way

[tranquil kraken]

[chrome knot]

what

on paper 1-2 looks ugly asf but I played well vs top canadian player & then for other loss i jus turned my brain off and sold 40 win conns

[left bobcat]

Chicken

[empty wadi]

im in love with this fat robot

[solid frigate]

Iron Hands?

[empty wadi]

yes hes so bulky

https://medal.tv/games/sword-and-shield/clips/jFruujsErCeJ2g1NA/spok?invite=cr-MSw4RVQsMzIwNjkzMzEzLA

oh i cant put videos

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-4thgear-gear4-4gear-one-gif-7228890

[solid frigate]

also wait

BSS on this team?

[empty wadi]

r u talking to me

[solid frigate]

yea

[empty wadi]

whats bss

[knotty mirage]

Battle stadium single

[solid frigate]

its on your team list as the name

[empty wadi]

no i play doubles

[knotty mirage]

Trying to push on there is hell

[empty wadi]

i dont play showdown :(

[solid frigate]

ok that team list name got me confused

[real prairie]

Y not?

[empty wadi]

i wanna reach master ball tier

[real prairie]

oh right, fair. but you should still use it for practice and team building outside of that

saves the over committing to a team composure that simple doesn't work

[empty wadi]

yeah, i use it for team building maybe ill use it for practicing

[mint void]

People. Anyone ever done sth with KWhite?

[chrome knot]

chose a better restricted

[mint void]

@chrome knot nah

I wanna see what it can do and if its gonna be good enough for me.

[charred saddle]

just blizzard spam

[solid frigate]

this is a certified Drago moment

[charred saddle]

blizzard fusionflare freezedry something something can protect/terablast if ur running AV

[solid frigate]

Drago?

he literally made a team last Reg G

[charred saddle]

honestly

its not that bad, until u run into weather war

losing A9 = death sentence

[solid frigate]

it’s probably fine to play it for fun but dont bring it to something serious lol

[charred saddle]

also, double ice = weak to fighting, fire rock if not neutral

[bold geode]

Not too much Rock though

[chrome knot]

cornerstone

[bold geode]

Yeah and like is that it

[charred saddle]

like u just die to most stuff especially FOs

bringin fari might help(?)
last time i did it i used deedee to solve FO and follow me + HH

[thorny beacon]

bitch is not sleeping

[charred saddle]

im in bed

[thorny beacon]

absolute rice

[charred saddle]

we should get cooked together and be fried rice

[bold geode]

Was he really gonna tho

[charred saddle]

anyway, u just played against 2 Kyuremwhites what do you think about it

[thorny beacon]

yes because he couldn't before

[thorny beacon]

it was the 🐐

[gentle crag]

mxnujen (ID 482893290266427422)

[Message](#tera_raids message) in #tera_raids
the goat at dying

Command triggered by abused1. Message from · Feb 10, 2025, 2:24 PM

[charred saddle]

there u have it

its good at niche MU

and mostly ass into most stuff i feel

[thorny beacon]

that's not me, it clearly says mxnujen and i'm rice

[charred saddle]

damn riceht

[bold geode]

Bro is Mr Rice himself

[twin kindle]

🥺

[bold geode]

LUNA

[solid frigate]

LUNAAAAA

[twin kindle]

aloha mi amigon

[twin kindle]

Salut Mon Ami

[empty wadi]

WHY TF DOES MINIMIZE EXIST

[bold geode]

Como estas

[empty wadi]

bros so funny +6 evasiveness muk with costar flamigo

im gonna find your house.

avoided the attack!

im going to sleep man

[forest arrow]

Gm Babe or should i say NikeAirFryer

[empty wadi]

that was my last straw

[mint void]

slam attacks

[empty wadi]

i dont have any

[bold geode]

That's Tesla Nachos to you babe ❤️

[mint void]

sacred sword?

[empty wadi]

nah

[bold geode]

Blud don't have Taunt

[solid frigate]

just taunt it

[forest arrow]

taunt/ ignoring muk

[solid frigate]

thats why i have Roaring Moon and Taunt Incin lmao

[solid frigate]

yeah muk can’t do damage

[forest arrow]

cant do anything when it cant minimize lol

[empty wadi]

tell that to a moody muk

[solid frigate]

Me when Farigiraf+Taunt Goggles Incin:

[forest arrow]

Thats pure rng they do not guarantee an attack boost

[empty wadi]

i mean when you got a +6 evasive muk im pretty sure its guaranteed at some point

[forest arrow]

coughs Taunt

[solid frigate]

Taunt Turn 1 and you gucci

[forest arrow]

Like it is an annoying thing to face when you dont know what it does

But you kind of want taunt on your team in reg G regardless of the muks teams anyways

[empty wadi]

maybe ill put taunt on whimsicott

[solid frigate]

Prankster Moves are immune by Dark type

so regular Taunt is the only thing works

[forest arrow]

Whats your team?

[empty wadi]

maybe i threw in a bad lead lmao, whimsicott iron hands

iron hands no have slam move :(

[solid frigate]

miraidon worlds

[empty wadi]

should i replace someone for farigiraf

[forest arrow]

Taunt shifu is free then

[solid frigate]

taunt Shifu is goated

wait Muk smeargle Lead

Yeah just taunt dgleam

[forest arrow]

9/10 theyre gonna FO mirai there too

But with like a shifu farig lead whats stopping the taunt

[solid frigate]

Outside of Follow me,

Nothing

[forest arrow]

i dont think so

Farig good

Wait...

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-armour-bronzong-pokemon-bronzong-i-refuse-gif-13352281838102945050

[solid frigate]

NO THROW DONT

[forest arrow]

I was waiting for it XD

All jokes

[solid frigate]

its just not worth it

[real prairie]

this is why i like running rain, no issues hitting muk with Thunder/Hurricane/Bleakwind etc

[forest arrow]

My honse laughs in Glacial lance

[solid frigate]

also just funni ahh shit

[forest arrow]

Kyogres cool for sure lol

[twin kindle]

Im gonna make a rain team

I’m not betraying the cuties but I got gifted a cute gift for a rain team muehe

[real prairie]

Oooo who's the cutie?

[forest arrow]

Shiny Ogre? 👀

[solid frigate]

i think i know the candidates already but j will not reveal the answer

[empty wadi]

chat is this how you play this team https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2298046848-w7o3a0sup4w0wmvu0xxy4nt9r83gp40pw

[solid frigate]

unless you wanna make new sauce

[twin kindle]

Yysss

[forest arrow]

Letsss goooo

[twin kindle]

Ponkk whale

[twin kindle]

ooo sure

[empty wadi]

should i keep tornadus as a bulk mon or make him a damager?
https://pokepast.es/d241c3a4d453d36e

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm

[twin kindle]

If he has sash he’s guaranteed to live a hit anyways so might as well go full offense

[empty wadi]

idk if Magnet Raging Bolt or Assault Vest Raging Bolt

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[empty wadi]

alright, thank you

[gentle crag]

trulyshigu has given 1 Gen Rep to stellalunita

[solid frigate]

me when trying to think on Kyogre sauce

[twin kindle]

Game changing idea
Kyogre rillaboom torn

[solid frigate]

so tru

[real prairie]

may i make a suggestion 👀

[twin kindle]

Sure sure ^o^

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ludicolo-gif-25620373

[solid frigate]

KNEW IT LMAO

[real prairie]

it was telegraphed lol

[twin kindle]

that’d be fun , I’ll think it

maybe scarf shifu

[solid frigate]

Another Ludi player lol

[real prairie]

i had some fun really ruining peoples days with Specs Ludi for a little while 🤣

[solid frigate]

I’ll just stick with Roaring Moon

[twin kindle]

I like torns rain synergy

[forest arrow]

good chip damage

[solid frigate]

i mean you can do Shifu Torn Bolt Ogre

[twin kindle]

Lots ran Hurricane I may do that too

[solid frigate]

huh-

[forest arrow]

Ive seen hurricane quite a bit

[twin kindle]

Lots more single damage

Also wide guard is literally my number 1 op

[forest arrow]

Cant get wide guarded

yeah

[real prairie]

Hurricane kills the Pons

[solid frigate]

Fair enough

[solid frigate]

except Rock cuz Obvious Reasons

[twin kindle]

Ez we just confuse and he hits himself

[real prairie]

its followed' me anyway

[spiral ridge]

If you want balance jugulid is nice on kyo teams

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

oh yeah

This guy exists

[spiral ridge]

He’s good :(

[forest arrow]

stops prankster stuff and still has flying stab

[real prairie]

its struggled recently due to prankster TW setters but it was V'good

[spiral ridge]

It’s more balance so yeah it will be beat by instant TW

[forest arrow]

as in like cant be taunted encored by whims or torn

[spiral ridge]

It’s hurricane hurts and booster speed is nice

[twin kindle]

Me and torn are enemies turned besties

Back in reg D I wanted nothing but to smite this man

[forest arrow]

Torn Shifu still crazy rn

[twin kindle]

But after I used him with gholengo shifu rain in reg E he grew on me

Also jugulis is kinda…

well he’s not winning any beauty contests

[forest arrow]

XD

[twin kindle]

But the most important part

Torn is green and that matches the super cute green white blue aesthetic in a rain team

YES I AM A SUPER SERIOUS GAMER

[real prairie]

Go pink, the return of Murkrow (shiny)

[twin kindle]

Omg pink murkrow and kyogre

I’ll call one cutie and one patootie

[real prairie]

TW, Hurricane, rain dance

its just a cuter Torn

and doesn't need to tera to stop other prankster encore/taunt

[twin kindle]

It dies to a quick attack but we don’t talk abt that

[empty wadi]

they better watch out for me when i learn comp pokemon properly

[real prairie]

sash lol

[twin kindle]

Creepily watches you

[empty wadi]

comp pokemon cant be harder to learn than yugioh right?

[real prairie]

more math

[twin kindle]

Comp Pokemon is like an e sport that was never meant to be an e sport until it was and you can feel it

[regal latch]

Yo so, is Feraligatr bulky enough to warrant max HP investment?

[empty wadi]

i wanna enter the pokemon tournaments in my country

[real prairie]

Comp pokemon is that board game you got from the charity shop that didn't come with instructions

have to figure it all out from the context of whats in the box and online forums

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 160: Feraligatr

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/100/79/83/78

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.1

[twin kindle]

You should go to https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com

and see if any of the hp would actually save it

Math time 🧮

[regal latch]

Not sure if I should go speed and have dragon dance or just go with HP with 3 moves + protect.

One issue my team is having is Calyrex, the psychic type. Thinking of making Feraligatr Tera dark with the stab crunch.

[empty wadi]

i wonder if i can get 10K elo with 4 Greedents

[real prairie]

id start 156hp,252atk,100spDef and go from there personally

[regal latch]

And I think that once the game gets tougher in the ranks I’ll go ahead and replace Feraligatr with Urshifu-W

[regal latch]

Okay I’ll start there. Is there a reason why you picked that spread exactly?

[empty wadi]

wait, if you arent a specific type of a move and you tera to that specific type, does it still gain STAB + Tera boost?

[real prairie]

boosts lower SpDef, Boosts Hp which covers Def+SpDef, max atk

[mint void]

no

tera is just stab

[real prairie]

Water type mon + Tera water = 2x
Other mon + Tera water = 1.5x

[mint void]

but u get it twice if you already are the type

[empty wadi]

thanks, was wondering about that 💔

[gentle crag]

trulyshigu has given 1 Gen Rep to oneofakindof

[left bobcat]

The pain

[twin kindle]

My innovation truly knows no bounds /sar

[solid frigate]

so far so good

[spiral ridge]

And torn is? 😭

[mint void]

looks fun

what item for da whale?

[foggy lodge]

slap electabuzz

[real prairie]

@torn parrot @twin kindle

[real prairie]

I'd take torn physique NGL 🤣

[twin kindle]

Ofc he is , he’s a literal human

[twin kindle]

A

[foggy lodge]

i had a game won and lost because showdown crashed

fuck my computer man

[real prairie]

a

[solid frigate]

a

[left bobcat]

A😫

[solid frigate]

i'm back to 1400s

[opal trout]

a

[molten oasis]

Torn is a beautiful Pokemon wdym

[chrome knot]

my favourite reg g mon 😭

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom is in disbelief lmao

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom is goated

[chrome knot]

i love rillaboom this reg

[real prairie]

No, bad monke

[twin kindle]

I always run rilla and ursh or the team feels sad

My fave to use is probably ursh
My fave overall is chi yu

[foggy lodge]

I like

Raging Bolt

Feels nice to have a mon inmune to thunder wave unironically lol

Annoying af flutter set

[real prairie]

I don't really need to say mine do I

[foggy lodge]

Maybe i switch my team again

Kinda tired of Groudon rn

[twin kindle]

In my experience tailwind just annihilates speed control flutter sobs

[left bobcat]

What the A is going on here

[torn parrot]

What a perfect fucking photo spot

[left bobcat]

SAVE YOURSELF

I’LL HOLD THEM OFF

[real prairie]

People are running it with TW now 😭🤣

[twin kindle]

Sobs

Thunder wave Scream tail won that victory road tourney yesterday sobs

[left bobcat]

RUN

[molten oasis]

Agreed

[real prairie]

LOL

[molten oasis]

HAHAHA

Thata so funny

[trim hound]

rain continues to fall

Bro really didn't know how to read

[real prairie]

Helping hand sucker punch probably would have done it, but bro thought he was faster

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[plain drum]

😭

[real prairie]

I'm coming up against more and more scarf CSR

[molten oasis]

scarf what now?

[real prairie]

Ikr

[left bobcat]

ikr

[real prairie]

Oooo new @molten oasis do, cool

[forest arrow]

Me too

[molten oasis]

They’re cute, matching with monke and throw

[left bobcat]

[spark bluff]

I’m probably playing against noobs but bulky calyrex ghost feels so good

Still 1 taps just harder to get rid of

[mint void]

@spark bluff bulk is the standard for higher ladder afaik(Im not up to date on CalyS). You still chunk big and if u get a boost to +2 its hard to stop you.

[chrome knot]

[mint void]

Imma go do some weird shit

Wtf is going on?

Scarf ChiYu is Modest no?

@molten oasis what attack do u run on Zac?

Or what is common.

[real prairie]

Play rough, bblade, swords dance, protect

[molten oasis]

I run 172 jolly

[mint void]

@real prairie bruv

Lmao ...meant EVs

[real prairie]

Yes?

[molten oasis]

What’s common move wise is bblade play rough and then sacred/tera blast/swords dance

[real prairie]

My bad

[molten oasis]

Some just go max attack

[real prairie]

Back to bed

[molten oasis]

I like the bulk

[mint void]

Nw. Wording could have meant both

@molten oasis same...i guess imma calc with max attack dont think that its gonna be able to tank it tho lol

[molten oasis]

A chi yu?

[mint void]

Kyurem

It actually probably can get a good rill

[molten oasis]

Oh

Kyurem can eat bblade under snow

I’ve also played kyurem

[mint void]

Im trying sth rn but the stuff I want kinda needs 7 slots rn.

Gotta see how to wrap it up. My set rn is just troll but I wanna try it.

[molten oasis]

Can you show it to me?

Kyurem tricky lol

[mint void]

@molten oasis i just wanna play hyper voice throat spray rn lol

The more serious try is just gonna be balance

With a9

[molten oasis]

Hyper voice throat spray kyurem?

[mint void]

And Torn or Farig/indeedee

[molten oasis]

Why not just go specs

[mint void]

@molten oasis I just wanna do it cause I thought it would be funny

[molten oasis]

Valid

[mint void]

Im just building for balance and swap the item+moves for 1 or 2 games

[mint void]

Imma let you know what my first draft is gonna be

[molten oasis]

Ok

[mint void]

Ok so i have somehow ended up with Slowking rn...

[little plank]

so sitting at 1620 on showdown... wondering if yall think thats good enough to maybe go to an event and do somewhat well? lol

[dense latch]

im sure you’ll be fine

tho bo1 ladder and events feel like completely different games

[mint void]

@little plank bo1 or bo3?

Like u are anyway gonna be fine but bo3 play super different from bo1. Its more fun tho imo

[solid frigate]

Kyogre @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect
• Calm Mind

This set kinda cooks ngl

[mint void]

Like 1600 is super solid

@solid frigate my set almost

[solid frigate]

i think Covert Cloak Kyogre would work if you don't want Lefties and want to beat FO

[mint void]

I really have to start taking notes ngl

I made a change but i cant remember why...

[mint void]

I got snarled and what not so much that I just got pissed and went CC

[solid frigate]

i mean it basically play as a Water Type Terapagos

[mint void]

Yeah.

Da whale and da tutel

2 ocean bros

[solid frigate]

however Kyogre at least feels more flexible

imo

[mint void]

I like ogre more

[solid frigate]

anyways here's the God of Anti Matter

[mint void]

Idk I just cant cope with Urshifu ngl

Kyogre resisting it is good

[left bobcat]

Just devoured sum blue nerd gummy clusters 😫🫧

[mint void]

@real prairie sir could u leave me ur Tsareena spread please

[mint void]

U already slept again?

[solid frigate]

didn't he posted in the #rental_teams

[little plank]

1400 in bo3 dont play it to often though and 1620 currently in bo1

[mint void]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2298360923

Why does he set TR?

@little plank goat

If you have friends for sure go for a regionals trip if you think you have a solid team

Or just if you can pilot an existing one well

If you would go solo its up to you. I guess u can meet people there too.

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/4362d02905341ce2

I might cooked too hard-

[little plank]

I dont think its that good lol I want to get back to the top 500 like I use to be able to getto

[mint void]

So my Slowking gets OHKOed by water shifu in the tain with tera...it can never live

[little plank]

I cant wait for the time that we just never see urshifu again lol

[solid frigate]

either they nerf Dozo to the Ground so that it can't combine with Tatsu anymore

or i'm going ape shi

[molten oasis]

You’re cooking slowking?

[little plank]

I am feeling like amoonguss is like a must for terapagos lol

stops urshifu in his tracks

Almost every terapagos I play against has it and its so hard to get around.

[mint void]

Probs not but rn yeah.

[charred saddle]

ehh idk

https://pokepast.es/9be841a8a8a5ea1d

this is what im running now

i mean its a different purpose ig, if ur like maybe specs then its nice?

i just like grassy terrain recovery + lefties

so much heals

[left bobcat]

IM FINALLY HOME

[little plank]

Whats your elo so far with it?

[charred saddle]

currently 1300 bo3
13-2 i think(?)

i only play 3-4 games a day

[little plank]

Not bad, Doesnt your urshifu get wrecked feel like with no speed control really it would fall over before being able to do anything

I run defense boost dozo so generally love running into your type of team lol

[charred saddle]

i honestly rarely brought urshifu

only brought it against stuff that i am sure that it have a positive MU like BM or caly

[left bobcat]

Same here

[charred saddle]

my main gameplan mostly are, force them to tera and take SE starstorm

not everytime but

[left bobcat]

I mostly bring incin and Sinistcha

[charred saddle]

things like koraidon, u put flutter in their face and most likely gonna tera

hit twave and ur good

[left bobcat]

In my face?

[charred saddle]

for things like caly i can lead incin firepon

[little plank]

I usually open caly and dozo

[charred saddle]

ngl, i havent played a single game against dozo

like no joke havent seen one haha

[little plank]

then depending on the situation swap dozo for indeedee or caly for tatsu

[charred saddle]

i mean if i see dozo

[left bobcat]

Hmmm let’s see a bicycle lizard that summons the sun and a Dino ghost in my face? Hmmmmm doesn’t sound pleasant

[charred saddle]

is it yawn?

[left bobcat]

?

[charred saddle]

if it is its kinda annoying hmm

[little plank]

Nope fully defense body press

[charred saddle]

oh what

def boost orderup?

[little plank]

yup

I get around 620 defense full boost lol

[charred saddle]

holy hell interesting

[left bobcat]

Lemme just-

[charred saddle]

i mean if its not yawn ill probably still lead pagos rilla

FO dozo calm mind

[little plank]

I am unaware

so your boost doesnt work

[left bobcat]

I’m oblivious

[little plank]

also tera grass

[charred saddle]

wallahi i forgot about that

[little plank]

Thats why I said I love seeing teams like yours lol

[charred saddle]

i mean if its unaware then ill just woodhammer and starstorm t1

no reason not too against caly dozo

caly doesnt do much to pagos

does BP kill pagos from tera full?

[little plank]

after 1 boost yes

[charred saddle]

i mean id assume not with the bulk

[little plank]

I usually send an order up turn 1 to breka shield

[charred saddle]

yeah T1 starstorm and woodhammer

no FO

both rilla and pagos doesnt really care csr

unless for some reason u Np

thats a whole another issue

wait caly dozo as in csr right?

or is it cir?

[little plank]

CSR

[solid frigate]

what has this meta devolved into

dozogiri spam-

[mint void]

Nah specs wants fake out cycle idk. Amogus is just a great deterent for Terapagos counters. See Zama and Urshifu

[charred saddle]

yeah then stellarstarstorm woodhammer will still SE either way

[little plank]

Honestly the only thing that scares me on your team is the ogrepon lol lucky ivy cudgel through tera grass and I fall over.

[mint void]

I found out im not the only freak testing Kyurem+SlowkingG

[charred saddle]

i did that far back then

chilly reception eforce + indeedee and kyurem

and A9

did a max max spA speed A9 since i can safely set veil with follow me

[left bobcat]

Chilly

[charred saddle]

but usually its ass against setup teams

[mint void]

Bro is my trick room bitch rn. In tailroom... without Tailwind. State of the team isnt it rn ngl

[charred saddle]

i set veil, they calm mind/NP and im prob dead

[little plank]

I also have RS urshifu and weezing on my team lol

[left bobcat]

You guys have team?

[mint void]

Im just not playing veil on ninetales. Encore+icy wind shit

[little plank]

Weezing I only really use vs prankster mons though not a big fan of the poison / toxic spike strat

[mint void]

@charred saddle ur pagos team is just a solid team ngl. If you pilot it well its gonna do well. Probably better for bo3 than bo1 since its common sets/mons, which I guess is good

[charred saddle]

thanks ig

but its just a normal balance team

one of the funniest thing i like to do against koraidon is

pput flutter
they scared, fire tera. i para it

then set endgame SE stellar starstorm

then the next game, ill always assume they dont fire tera

and i MB

usually it works since going fire tera instantly and getting twave isnt great

[plain drum]

[next stump]

anyone here going to atlanta regionals in april?

[molten oasis]

I could but I doubt I’d have the money

[next stump]

RIP

[solid frigate]

i already crumbled after San Antonio Meta+I'm in UK so nope

[next stump]

double RIP

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2298397677-j55f6v7fvw94auihuwk7880lttf5ntkpw

bro

I love Hearthflame

[solid frigate]

i don't think this Wave is better than last wave

At least Last wave is more Faster Meta

[left bobcat]

You did king

[molten oasis]

Don’t we all

[molten oasis]

I mean, is it early or late April

It’s possible if it’s later but definitely not if it’s early

[next stump]

11th-13th

[molten oasis]

Nope lol

Still probably set on NAIC tho

[twin kindle]

This meta is so much smarter and harder

last one people just went big boom

[foggy lodge]

Now i need a 0 atk Lando

Aaaaaaa

[molten oasis]

Is that even worth it

Eh actually

[foggy lodge]

Probably not but its still like something inside my head that tells me i should get it

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 645: Landorus

Types

Ground/Flying

Abilities

Sand Force, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

89/125/90/115/80/101

Total

600

Other Formes

Landorus-Therian

Sableye version 4.28.1