competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

WOAH @foggy lodge WTF DUDE

GOD I HOPE THAT'S HINDI AND NOT SPANISH

[shadow wind]

Man why the tour tomorrow gotta be at 5 am 😭😭

[plain drum]

Got bad news

[bold geode]

@molten oasis you sure you don't need a support

[bold geode]

Did you look up the translation too

[plain drum]

Didn’t have to but I did Google where its mostly passed around online to confirm

[bold geode]

Do not say what it translates to LMAO

God I hope it's Hindi or that Google had too much to drink

[plain drum]

Oh I know I can’t

[rustic mountain]

shouldnt be talking in other languages outside english here anyway, this is an english speaking server. it makes it tough to moderate things outside of it and in most cases is used to say stuff u shouldnt be

feel like ive said this here before

[plain drum]

You likely have haha

[left bobcat]

Pain

[craggy dagger]

ㅠㅠ

[mighty stump]

que pasa

me habla no ingles

[bold geode]

Mis webos in tú boca

[mighty stump]

I’m surprised people are finding Terapagos strong when imo not much has changed since last Reg G

Its always been good

[bold geode]

I got to 1200 by just going Specs Helping Hand Tera Stellar Tera Starstorm over and over and over again
It was so braindead

[shadow wind]

Bro almost got saved by Pblade misses too

Some people can't handle getting 2-0'd by the Groudonner

[solid frigate]

idk maybe they just dont like its damage output or just needs fuck ton of support to help it stay alive

[mighty stump]

HAHA

[molten oasis]

What if my mental problems are because of showdown

(I’m pretty sure they aren’t lol)

[mighty stump]

oop-

[craggy dagger]

it’s a cycle
you’re running from your problems by playing showdown but your problems come from showdown

[dull ibex]

Is ladder open?

[dull ibex]

Then you'd be taking the game absurdly seriously

[molten oasis]

You don’t think I don’t already do that? Lol

[dull ibex]

No comment

[manic cloak]

just got a bunch of non 0 non 31 speed IV otherwise perfect amoongas' is there any way to work out exact speed IV's of a lvl 1 mon without lvling it?

[inland chasm]

Where do I find people interested in scarlet and violet multi battles? Is this the right chat?

[fading bone]

yea

[solid frigate]

Yesnt

#1046572041421197352

[chrome knot]

i lovey when opponent dcs twice and pushes blame on meee

i cant be bothered

[shadow wind]

My first opponent like fully dc'ed

And I was NOT winning that set

Also you know that you can give the error code to the discord and it'll show who it was right?

[solid frigate]

Tera Dark Sash Whims is Goated

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

Bro got the worst of both worlds

[solid frigate]

Im just kidding

but it did win me the Mirror

[shadow wind]

Makes sense

Emma what team you usin?

[chrome knot]

i didnt care enough i was so sleepy

[shadow wind]

What time is it for you?

[chrome knot]

8am

[shadow wind]

Man I wish

I'm 2 hours behind

[chrome knot]

i went to bed at like 2

i had no cognitive brain function

[shadow wind]

Similar sleep time then

[chrome knot]

still however pulled the mirror in my favour both times

[shadow wind]

So 2-0?

[chrome knot]

no i just let him have it after tbe 2nd dc

dropped bc i wanna go to bed

[shadow wind]

Ah rip

[chrome knot]

im tired bruh

[shadow wind]

Me too 😭

But I gotta tournament to win !

Please don't give me another Kyogre 🙏

[chrome knot]

online tours suck imma stick to in person people are always annoying when u cant see them lmao

[shadow wind]

Never done an in person one

[chrome knot]

its alot better

ur mst so ur close(r) to alberta i take it?

[shadow wind]

I would enter them if I could

[shadow wind]

Right on the money

Except I'm ultra north

[chrome knot]

are u close to edmonton or calgary ? i think both have pretty sizeable local scenes

ahhh nevaminddd lmfao

[shadow wind]

4 hours out of Edmonton 😔

[chrome knot]

feel that

im 4hrs from toronto lmao

[shadow wind]

Wait you Canada?

Or just "near" the border

[chrome knot]

yes im from canada lol

[shadow wind]

Oh what

Never knew

[chrome knot]

crazy

[shadow wind]

Never came up I guess

But yeah I feel like Canada is just like really annoying if you weren't born in one of the major cities for VGC

So coastal

Why is Canada only known for like Vancouver or Toronto

Give me an Edmonton Regional 🙏

[chrome knot]

alberta is pro at passing anti lgbt shit id rather not go there🙏

[shadow wind]

Yeah Alberta is very clapped I gotta say

[chrome knot]

Vancouver & Toronto are just most accessible cities in Canada

[shadow wind]

That is true

I just hate it cause they're both so far away from me

[inland chasm]

re: Multi Battles
I definitely can’t do one rn or in the next 8.5 hours, I was just kinda taking headcount for how popular they are

[shadow wind]

13 drive to Vancouver and a 37 hour drive to Toronto 💀

[chrome knot]

✈️

[shadow wind]

Flying is for losers !

I love driving for 12 hours and staying in the same province

[solid frigate]

also im trying to think should i do a Team report with Both of My Languages or just English

once im done with Birmingham

[shadow wind]

Wait you speak 2 languages

The lore I'm learning today

[solid frigate]

im From Hong Kong

[shadow wind]

Man I don't know why but I always get you mixed up with a guy I know from London

Similar pfps I guess

[solid frigate]

eh idk

But then again its just writing Chinese

[shadow wind]

That's sick though

Lore update

[fading bone]

when will the switch have reg g

[shadow wind]

I think later today?

[solid frigate]

Idk

[shadow wind]

Yeah later today

But like 12 hours

Man game 3s are so stressful

[solid frigate]

it really depends on Your Turn 1s and how consistent you are in your board State

[shadow wind]

I play Groudon I don't know what the word consistent means

[cyan smelt]

Just don't let it get to game 3 4head

[shadow wind]

😔

I don't wanna bring Bolt into this

And if they just happen to bring Shifu it gets dicey

Gotta go 4-2 for top cut

Currently 3-0

Ok guys, these other Groudons gotta pick it up

[next stump]

definitely just english IMO

chinese VGC already got some absolute gods

[cyan smelt]

I need to get back into vgc once I get back from overseas

[shadow wind]

4-0

Woohoo

[solid frigate]

im just doing Both cuz im bored

[left bobcat]

Shots fired

You’re fired

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275481023

[cyan smelt]

Is torterra viable at all as a wide guard user or is it not because of ogerpon fire having mold breaker

[left bobcat]

Torterra has wide guard?

[polar nest]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2275482980-5cx7e8dk3wwyx0e7kbtqevlmmj9hhaspw

[next stump]

are you looking for help with this game?

[shadow wind]

And out in T16

Thank you Groudon for getting one shot by Ogerpon fire

WHILE BEING A FIRE TYPE

[polar nest]

no

just just put cuz idk

[cyan smelt]

Yep torterra does have wide guard

[next stump]

torterra has a lot of issues in general

if it doesn’t see any usage in reg H, probably not great to use in reg G

[near crag]

Im still at that dilemma from yesterday, on what item to give pelliper, since cc and sash are being used already, and it’s rly hard to switch. I’ve thought about leftovers, sitrus, goggles, scarf, and even wacan berry (the electric type one), but none of them click. Any ideas?

[next stump]

can you link the team again? or just list the six pokemon for me

[near crag]

https://pokepast.es/e5d1ec2d41dc19e0 here

[next stump]

goggles

[karmic oak]

What is the current format and when does it change?

[next stump]

or switch the urshifu item if you find it not to be useful

[next stump]

current format (for 12 more hours) is technically regulation H, with it switching to regulation G tonight

if you mean when is regulation G over, I believe end of April?

[karmic oak]

Is reg g back to having restricted?

[next stump]

yes, single restricted

[karmic oak]

Hmmm I’m debating building a team round kyurem cause I got him shiny but idk how I would go about it

[near crag]

Do you think giving lando taunt would be good for those cir matchups? Cuz I get the taunt guaranteed, but I lose Tera or him, that is, if I don’t switch

[next stump]

I personally feel like you're overstressing the CIR matchup

you dont need crazy techs to beat it

[near crag]

welp, so do you have a pelliper spread?

[next stump]

seems like there are two routes to go for non sash peli

you either go bold nature with a shit ton of HP and DEF, or modest with some hp but probably enough offense to OHKO stuff like Incin and threaten Rilla/Amoonguss with good damage

[near crag]

That's rly reasonable, but I don't rly know how to calc evs for bulk. Btw, what do you recommend? (as of offensive or defensive)

[real prairie]

Hey I used it in reg H, worked both in TR and put of it with white herb shell smash. But tbh it was never winning a regional 🤣

[real prairie]

Seen a lot of life orb bulky pelipper in ladder

[near crag]

It’s already on my lando, but I agree it could work

[real prairie]

I ended up dropping Lando, it's too slow for the meta imo

[mighty stump]

Thats why Lando-I runs Scarf

[real prairie]

In which case you lose it's OHKOs from life orb + ability

[karmic oak]

What would be a good kyurem white team to run?

[real prairie]

It's not a great mom tbh.

But bulky sets are what I've seen on ladder

[karmic oak]

Or a team I can incorporate latios into it

I got both shiny and wanted to team build around them

[mighty stump]

Nope lol

You’re failing to consider what it’s trying to hit

[mighty stump]

Likely Blizzard spam team with A9 or sth

[real prairie]

I was using it as a poison type grass mon counter or to hit the dogs and or Raging bolt

[karmic oak]

What’s a9?

[mighty stump]

What is a very prominent mon that is really fast and weak to Ground moves

[mighty stump]

Alolan-Ninetales

[real prairie]

Yeah that nukes it with TW + draco meteor

Even tried Tera Fairy to try negate it and just wasn't working. So swapped to the long cat and don't regret it

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

Thats a favourable trade lol

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu quick question
Is the apple man still funny to you

[mighty stump]

One non-damaging move and the other is locked into a move that can miss, and is dropping SpA by 2 stages each time

I do not understand why you’re trying to have this hypothetical 1v1 when there is clear proof Scarf Lando-I is meant to answer/pressure certain plays out of Miraidon lol

and if you Tera Fairy, and still somehow get caught out, if they click Draco into you, idk what to say

[real prairie]

Fair argument

[torn parrot]

You know what I think

I think ariados is based and red pilled

[whole ibex]

Then it would be just as broken

[whole ibex]

How?

[torn parrot]

It has 4 whole legs

Imagine the competitive use

[chrome knot]

4 whole legs

[fading bone]

What situations do you not bring shifu in when playing Yuta’s calyrex ice team

[foggy lodge]

It really depends on the opponent's team

[torn parrot]

Would anybody happen to have a shiny maushold laying around that they don’t care about

Probably not

[chrome knot]

i have a fam of 3 in a love ball

want?

they are shiny forgor mention

[torn parrot]

Nahh that’s ok

[chrome knot]

u asked for mice

it raid found by me

so it legit

[torn parrot]

Aright sure that sounds good 👍 I would apreciate it thank you

[foggy lodge]

Are you going to play Maushold Maya?

[torn parrot]

Ye this is a last minute reg H thing

[cyan smelt]

I want to try and make torterra work

Nvm I need to play meta to understand meta

Then I can play off meta

[plain drum]

[mighty stump]

Can u find a family of 4

Hahahah

[chrome knot]

what

[mighty stump]

I prefer shiny family of 4

👁️

[chrome knot]

loserrrrr :3

[mighty stump]

This has the same energy as attaining consciousness for the first time when you're 5 years old

HAHAHA

Emma I have put in my order request for my rings

I changed my mind on the bracelet - im getting this one instead

[chrome knot]

i registering for Vancouver on Wednesday

[chrome knot]

woah

its like lowkey pretty asf

[mighty stump]

It has moveable abacus beads

and this pinky ring but with onyx eyes instead of white diamond

[fading bone]

haha thats awesome

[still ridge]

For anyone with experience using Zamazenta, I'm trying to decide between running Body Press/Behemoth Bash and 2 of the following 3 - Iron Defense/Wide Guard/Coaching

If I did try coaching, what are some good partners for coaching?

[mighty stump]

Heavy Slam over Bash, I personally prefer Wide Guard since I don’t find much value in Iron Defense when I can just be spamming BPress but keep in mind it’s not a catch all for CSR MUs. You need Protect. No Zama runs Coaching

[still ridge]

I can't imagine the occasional +20 power on heavy slam would be better than bash having consistently 100 power, what are some instances that difference matters?

[solid frigate]

The only time i see Zama would tun Coaching is i. Double restricteds,And even then i dont think it grants any sort of value behind all of it

So normally run Zamazenta with

Body Press Heavy Slam Wide Guard And Protect

Zamazenta is so heavy that most of the pokemon would be over 80 BP Range for Heavy Slam

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Weight (Low Kick BP)

785kg (120 BP)

Height

2.9m

Introduced

Generation 8

Base Species

Zamazenta

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Required Item

Rusted Shield

Battle Only

This Pokémon only appears in battle.

Color

Red

Sableye version 4.28.1

[still ridge]

oooh that makes more sense, I missed that when crowned he weighs significantly more

[solid frigate]

its literally a Beefy Boi

Just imagine you get crushed by a large Metal Door

Thats how Heavy Slam is for Zama to other mons

[still ridge]

I was looking at serebii and I didnt see any mention of crowned weight more, assumed he was 200 kg both forms

[solid frigate]

if it is 200kg then i think it will still run Slam but people will argue on Bash

Cuz Iron Hands,Which has 20kg Heavier than Miraidon run Heavy Slam for a bit

[bold geode]

5 year old me covered in Cheerios and shit gaining consciousness for the first time

[bold geode]

You run Body Press/Heavy Slam/Wide Guard/Protect
Iron Defense is more niche and requires you to run Peli for Rain + Wide Guard but Wide Guard on Zamazenta is just more consistent rn

[left bobcat]

COACCCCCH

[rustic mountain]

come on man

[bold geode]

Hola señor Tree

[rustic mountain]

[still ridge]

Okay but hear me out, tera flying on zama, coaching on earthquake ting lu 🙃

[bold geode]

No

[still ridge]

But they'll never see it coming 🤣

[solid frigate]

CTS Bullshit nahhh

[bold geode]

Yeah just like you probably won't ever see a win with that bullshit

[mint void]

Time for eleki to appear so I can start playing

[whole ibex]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Roasted!

[mint void]

https://www.youtube.com/@MichaelderBeste
Unfort not the worlds team but still some Zama stuff

[left bobcat]

Yes

[next stump]

joeux9 tier list for non-restricteds

he says anything in the B range and C range functions only on specific archtypes usually, anything B+ or higher is a little more splashable with A and above being just overall good pokemon

[rustic mountain]

at first glance seems reasonable

idk if venu should b there or sneasler

[still ridge]

flash fire stops will-o wisp even if tera'd, right?

[balmy glen]

nah venu has a decent niche

good typing as well and crazy annoying

so I like it in the specific archetype section

[foggy lodge]

i think venu ursa p2 made top 4 in seniors at worlds

[balmy glen]

top 8 from my friend robbie ye

and almost won VR at the time

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah i think i saw that too

Keanu do you think Jumpluff has a place rn?

[bold geode]

Me when Entei is a B+

[balmy glen]

id put ape and ditto one higher thats abt it but i generally agree with the list

[balmy glen]

jumpluff is inheriently broken

so yes

if your confident to play with a low acc team like joe jumpluff can be broken

its not my playstyle usually but can be fun for me. But yeah if u just keep going to tours youll eventually get lucky enough to prob take a tournament with a jumpluff team

[rustic mountain]

🤨

its solid idk bout broken

[balmy glen]

nah that things broken

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 189: Jumpluff

Types

Grass/Flying

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Leaf Guard, Infiltrator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/55/70/55/95/110

Total

460

Sableye version 4.28.1

[balmy glen]

its one of the most broken support mons in the game

it does everything a sun team needs

[bold geode]

Yeah
Way better than shroom
Oh btw Keanu

Shroom on MDB Zama team just feels bad

[balmy glen]

i made it work

youll see at san antonio dw

i combined our teams

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt personally describe that as broken tho, it has good suppport moves with average bulk and a solid ability

w/ 1 of those main support moves being noted as extremely volatile

[foggy lodge]

its volatile sometimes but reg H showed that it can be consistent

[near crag]

Im rly new to doing evs, but is 252 hp, 104 def, 36+ spa, and 116 spe good for goggles pelliper? It ohkoes incin on 252 hp 0 spd, 2hkoes rilla and amoonguss, hits 100 speed, and the bulk is completely arbitrary; just went for hp, and leftovers for defense.

[balmy glen]

I call anything that can win the game in 1 turn inheriently broken

[foggy lodge]

4 regionals finals with Jumpluff and a IC win

crazy

[bold geode]

If shroom does better with Zam than Rilla I will eat my Walmart vest

[rustic mountain]

[balmy glen]

will you send me the recording

[near crag]

Any ideas on how to improve it/ if it’s any good?

[balmy glen]

ill put it on my twitter that i made someone eat a walmart vest

[rustic mountain]

keanus san antonio motivation increasing

[bold geode]

Absofuckinlutely

[balmy glen]

my motivation already increased when mdb and i just realized "hey we can actually work together!"

[rustic mountain]

tru

[balmy glen]

and shared our thoughts lmao

[rustic mountain]

just do sash pelipper 252/252/4

[bold geode]

Idk I think I'm also just more comfortable with Rillaboom

[near crag]

I’d love to, but my team doesn’t allow it

[balmy glen]

im definitely putting myself through the ringer though by playing in USPA, NPA, Smogon VGC Swiss, and all the IRL tournaments

[bold geode]

Though imma have to get better with the shroom before long

[rustic mountain]

leftovers feels really bad on pelipper ngl

[foggy lodge]

You are going to Birmingham Keanu?

[near crag]

It’s goggles, but still, I agree

[rustic mountain]

and if ur bulk is arbitrary ur better off leaning more towards speed and sp atk

[balmy glen]

spreads should be based off the team so id have to see your team tbh

[bold geode]

Chat I'm bringing Zamazenta to NAIC

[rustic mountain]

even like scarf or specs id say

[balmy glen]

so will 50% of the people u see

if its double restricted at least

[rustic mountain]

wens naic

[balmy glen]

well its wtvr the next reg is so

[bold geode]

We'll just skill diff
(I'm going 0-3)

[next stump]

late june iirc

[rustic mountain]

oh ok yea

def shouldnt be reg g then

[foggy lodge]

It'll be double restricted

[near crag]

https://pokepast.es/e5d1ec2d41dc19e0 here ya go

[foggy lodge]

Usage graphic gonna be crazy

[near crag]

I hope so, should be interesting

[balmy glen]

so if i bring rillaboom and amoongus on the same team do you still eat your vest

[rustic mountain]

half the vest

[balmy glen]

lock it in @bold geode

so i can screenshot

[bold geode]

If you bring both I'll eat my vest regardless

[rustic mountain]

damn monke i tried giving u an out w/ only half

rilla shroom boutta win san antonio w/ the combined powers of mdb and keanu

[bold geode]

If you bring both I'll add the name tag to it

[balmy glen]

tbh im prob building myself for san an since hes on break

he got haxed in VR yesterday and logged

[rustic mountain]

ahh shit fair

[balmy glen]

happens

[bold geode]

He's not doing Birmingham?

[balmy glen]

no just EUIC

[bold geode]

I see

[balmy glen]

maybe vancouver and maybe naic other than that just worlds cuz he needs a mental break

[rustic mountain]

he surely has enough points for top 75 atm

[bold geode]

Eh not like he's got anything to lose
He's qualified

[balmy glen]

top 4 worlds is auto qual so hes fine already

[bold geode]

Don't even need that
Auto qualified from last Worlds

[rustic mountain]

oh lmao i forgot

yea hes big chilling

[balmy glen]

i dont even think top 75 is like anything big

[rustic mountain]

wdym

like not hard to get?

[balmy glen]

I like didnt do anything in reg h and i feel fine on points

[rustic mountain]

r u in the top 75?

[balmy glen]

I think I played like 5 ladder matches in reg h

[bold geode]

Just no fun?

[rustic mountain]

idk any1 that hated reg h more then u keanu

[balmy glen]

well not just that i just wanted to use it as a break

[bold geode]

Imma miss H tbh
I didn't understand it that well

[rustic mountain]

reg h was awesome

[balmy glen]

ik a lot more people lol

[rustic mountain]

a lot more ppl that hated it or u just flexing on me u know more ppl?

[bold geode]

Reg H was kinda fucky in terms of prep for a bit so

[balmy glen]

its mostly just I dont wanna go back to a non restricted format after playing a restricted format

[bold geode]

Keanu wants his legendaries chat

[balmy glen]

reg h was fun in the gc tho

[bold geode]

I wish I did more for those

[balmy glen]

i will say my gc teams for reg g are a lil more toxic

[bold geode]

I will say that Reg H houses the only GC I actually fully completed

[rustic mountain]

really? i find the differences refreshing. gta build up to restricted wen a new gen starts anyway

[balmy glen]

well at least for january ill just be spamming a brainless team and then ill run my san antonio team in february gc

[balmy glen]

thats what i mean. when a new gen starts lol

[bold geode]

Specs Pagos with Farig trust

[balmy glen]

its a whole different meta game in a different gen

[rustic mountain]

reg h was a pretty different meta game in a lot of respects but yea wasnt exactly a new gen

but i can understand the sentiment of once getting to the restricted format of that given gen not necessarily wanting to revert backwards in a sense power level wise

[balmy glen]

Oh wait I forgot to screen shot Monke saying that he would eat vest

[bold geode]

Imma do my version of the MDB Worlds team for first Reg G GC and then probably whatever for the next few

[bold geode]

Eat best?

Chat if Keanu does good with Amoongus Zama I will eat Mr Best

[balmy glen]

Ok done

Glhf to all my opponents at the San Antonio regional

[rustic mountain]

so what is doing well? top cut? top 4? winning?

like whats the benchmark

[balmy glen]

Posting this after day 1

[bold geode]

Chat he's bringing Rilla Amoongus

[torn parrot]

I really like retaliate’s move animation

[balmy glen]

All he said was “Zama Amoongus better than Zama Rilla”

[torn parrot]

It has rose petals

[rustic mountain]

yea but whats the mark for achieving that hahaha

[torn parrot]

The flaw with zama moongus is I tor through Zama team just cus my Urshifu had saftey goggles

[real prairie]

ive dropped down to 1300ish today, just lost to a scarfed Koraidon on a TR team. Kill me now

[rustic mountain]

rip

[bold geode]

Basically if I look at those results and see a single Zam Rilla over Zam Shroom, the best stays safe

So WIN THAT SHIT KEANU

[torn parrot]

It’s liek I clicked tailwind tera water surging strikes and everyone died while amoongus watched

[balmy glen]

So all i have to do is win a regional LUL

[rustic mountain]

ohhh i see it has to outperform every zama rilla team

[balmy glen]

was planning on it anyways gg

[bold geode]

Yeah no pressure

[rustic mountain]

basically top 4 if none manage to make it that far or 100% guarantee in winning the regional

[balmy glen]

you basically said to the 2nd best Zama player statistically that I just need to be the best Zama player of the tournament without the statistically best Zama player at the event

that you will eat a vest if I outperform the other Zama players

[rustic mountain]

get ready to cook that vest

[balmy glen]

That’s goated

[bold geode]

MDB comes off break and pulls a Marco Silva

[balmy glen]

I’m boutta make someone eat a vest lfg

[bold geode]

Fried or sauteed I wonder

[balmy glen]

You realize we would be using the same team right so that would just make you lose either way 😭

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

u have to do it tho

[bold geode]

That's it I'm bribing Michael Kelsch to work against you

[rustic mountain]

imagine mdb winds up going and finals is a mirror rilla/shroom/zama

[balmy glen]

You’ll see something like that at EUIC hopefully

[rustic mountain]

i look forward to the heat

[bold geode]

At that point I'm just spitroasting the nearest Walmart employee to

[rustic mountain]

ight lets not go that far

[bold geode]

Cook em over an open fire

[rustic mountain]

nah like seriously wtf man

[balmy glen]

😭what

[bold geode]

Nah nah

[balmy glen]

I’m making bro go insane before the tournament even started

[bold geode]

Bro threw me in the rat room

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

Hey Mika how ya doing
We're just talking about how if Keanu does good imma eat my vest

[knotty briar]

Hey is anyone willing to help me test a koraidon team?

[chrome knot]

what have i wondered into bruh

[bold geode]

Wandered*

Stevie Wander

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275673923

hmm didnt even get the chance to use the whale

[mighty stump]

I cant miss another sleep powder man

[fading bone]

@left bobcat which r u

[bold geode]

Tofu got demons

[molten oasis]

And you don’t?

[bold geode]

Bro what you talking about
I'm my demon's demons

[molten oasis]

Uh huh

[solid frigate]

this List feels reasonable up until i see Entei is not A tier at best

Also i know wellspring is the worst out of the Pons ib Reg G but how it THAT LOW to deserve to be with Crown and Valiant

[bold geode]

Actually I lied
The apple man is my demon

I see this in my closet every night before I sleep

[molten oasis]

[balmy glen]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-cap-throw-catch-pokemon-gif-19138383

[bold geode]

LMFAO I WASN'T QUICK ENOUGH

[molten oasis]

That typo was horrendous

[bold geode]

I was boutta say "what about for women"

But you deleted it before I could reply

[bold geode]

Keanu actually I'm thinking about IDBP Zamazenta in double restricted help me

[molten oasis]

Entei isn’t a tier tho

It’s like high B

At best

[bold geode]

Entei A tier

Pao Entei go hard

Though I am mad cuz it's lowered my standard for inaccurate moves with Stone Edge

Think I've actually clicked that move more than Sacred Fire

[balmy glen]

xd

[balmy glen]

Try it

[bold geode]

Nah so like
I use that with Incin Amoongus right
Now hol up

[left bobcat]

CHORIZO

[bold geode]

IDBP Zamazenta wants a Wide Guard user right
And probably wants something that could like
Hit Ghost types

So we run that with Meteor Beam Lunala

Either that or just WG Zama with Kyogre honestly

[balmy glen]

Just be ur own wide guard user atp

[bold geode]

Yeah I was thinking cuz like
Gives Trick Room option too

Idk I just don't know cuz like
Idk how well Pao Zam CSR will feel

[balmy glen]

Anything can work

Use Pachirisu

[bold geode]

Idk I just like when my shit can take hits
Honestly why I thought of that vs just being like oh Zam CSR or Zam Ogre

[torn parrot]

FUCK YEAH

I wanted to get medals for two copies of a team

it was 5:45

I won two battles by 5:55

GYAAAAAAAAA

RIGHT BEFORE SEASON ENDED 5 minutes per battle!!!

[fading bone]

is season 6 live now

also gj

[next stump]

it usually takes a bit to update

likely by later tonight it’ll be live

[molten oasis]

Currently 8-1 on ladder

[molten oasis]

It’s picking entei over hearth or incin that has me more feeling B+ but fair

[left bobcat]

Yeah yeah

[mint void]

Whats a good Giraffe EV spread

[left bobcat]

Tell em awwwwwww

Yeah

I’m getting hungry pig sneaking I want it now

I hope it came with three pieces

I pig out like what’s next
I order food if I got to got two cheeseburgers I’m eatin good and this cup is filled with lemonade

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/m2guelesh/status/1875724509086675407?s=46

Guel Noel 🦎🎄🌟 (@M2guelEsh) on X

WHAT THE FUCK?!

Twitter · Jan 5, 2025, 2:02 AM

[fading bone]

what does this competitive vgc community think about genning for ladder?

[next stump]

we're not allowed to discuss genning in this discord, against policy

[fading bone]

ok i thought i read that somewhere will not bring it up again

[next stump]

no worries, you're good 😄

[left bobcat]

You sure you’re good?

You need some fries bro?

[molten oasis]

Reg g 2 goes until basically may

[left bobcat]

Oh so by the end of the semester?

Reg I-

The end times

[molten oasis]

Reg I probably goes up on showdown around beginning of April at least

[left bobcat]

The world isn’t ready for that yet

Nothing but madness

[molten oasis]

Eh it’ll be fine

[left bobcat]

I already know what I’m picking

Scarf miraidon with Groudon

Tera electric helping hands discharge/parabolic charge

[molten oasis]

My only option atm is Zac and kyogre lol

[left bobcat]

I use horse, pagos, the dogs, the lizards, Kyogre, Groudon, Lunala, Dawn wings, and kyurem white

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2275805883 lmfao

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-teal-mask-pokemon-scarl-gif-15494797964924474811

[left bobcat]

Knew it

Tera fire+sun+ stab= death

[molten oasis]

Welp I’ve lost 2 games so far and both were to miraidon

Feels bad man

[left bobcat]

It is what it is

[shadow wind]

My Groudon got OHKO'd by tera fire ivy cudgel

He was tera fire'd...

+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Helping Hand Ivy Cudgel vs. 188 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Groudon in Sun on a critical hit: 244-288 (122.6 - 144.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This was the calc

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Ogerpon my goat

[shadow wind]

Lost me the game

[molten oasis]

You were Tera fire as well damn

[shadow wind]

Was stupid

[molten oasis]

Imagine how much damage the wood hammer would have done without Tera

[shadow wind]

Not sun or tera boosted

So I imagine less

[molten oasis]

+1 and helping hand would fucking hurt

[shadow wind]

+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Helping Hand Wood Hammer vs. 188 HP / 4 Def Groudon: 390-462 (195.9 - 232.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Yeah never mind I'm tweaking

+1 252 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Helping Hand Ivy Cudgel vs. 188 HP / 4 Def Groudon in Sun: 326-384 (163.8 - 192.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Pretty close though

Close being 40%

[still ridge]

Sometimes you're trying to playtest in casuals but go against some kid with lv 20-30 pokemon x.x

[molten oasis]

Yea fs

[shadow wind]

Why not playtest on showdown?

[still ridge]

I don't take it super seriously and I already have my team built, so why not just play regularly online

usually it's reg G or close teams

[molten oasis]

I can’t wait to see the bullshit teams on cart tomorrow

[shadow wind]

I can't wait for ladder !!!

[bold geode]

Wait is it tomorrow?

[molten oasis]

Should be

[still ridge]

also my coaching zamazenta on ting lu worked last game 🤣

[shadow wind]

Later today I think

[molten oasis]

That’s what I’ve heard

[bold geode]

Ah fun
I ain't got my team built

[molten oasis]

I built it already

I have goals with the team

It went 19-5 today so, I think it’s got promise

[still ridge]

kek, lv 20-30s into a straight 6 legendaries team, maybe i should do showdown after all

[molten oasis]

On ladder, I wanna hit 1600 Bo1, top 500 Bo3, and then in cart top 500 maybe top 100

The teams fun and I enjoy it, I also suck at fighting miraidon so I might run sets with someone

Literally 4/5 losses were cuz of miraidon and 1 was to a zama and I played poorly into it

[shadow wind]

Don't worry, I got a rental you can use 😎

Wait Reg G is out now

[rustic mountain]

yes

[shadow wind]

Thought it dropped later for some reason

[dark valve]

Does anyone know how to start getting into competitive Pokemon or where to even begin!

?*

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

@dark valve ^

[rustic mountain]

the other day u thought it was jan 1st, now u thought it was later then the 6th which was the announced date, get off sd bruh

[shadow wind]

😔😔

I’m too showdown pilled

[rustic mountain]

i figured ud have a countdown till groudon could be used on cart

[shadow wind]

Usually I do

[rustic mountain]

shield dog, electric bike and crystal turtle time

[shadow wind]

😔

Actually I’m ok with the bike

The other 2 can die in a hole for all I care

[plain drum]

I thought that was some AI ass response from Rotom and I was about to say what the fuck

[shadow wind]

I know me too 😭

Rotom getting too smart out here

[rustic mountain]

🤨

[left bobcat]

😏

[molten oasis]

Wait reg g is out rn?

[still ridge]

yup

[molten oasis]

[balmy glen]

Yup welcome back to my reg

https://tenor.com/view/mark-phillips-instiagtor-gif-22728638

[foggy lodge]

vgc is back let's gooo

[still ridge]

Just learned you can have mounted calyrex and glastrier on your team at the same time xD

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Calyrex is the restricted. Glastrier is just a "sub" legend.

[still ridge]

Still won, just caught me off guard seeing 2 in team select xD

[dapper crag]

i’ve been wanting to get into competitive, but i don’t know exactly where to start

[still ridge]

actual tournaments or just building teams for pvp?

[dapper crag]

building teams

[still ridge]

I usually just look up tierlists, focus on a couple pokemon i want to use and build around that

[dapper crag]

okayy!!

[still ridge]

4 games in and I'm already sick of urshifu

[bold geode]

Just beat the Urshifu 🤷‍♂️

[lofty tartan]

@dapper crag

The message I replied to is a font of resources

[dapper crag]

okay thanks!!

[plain drum]

Mika

[shadow wind]

I love crashing in my game for masterball

I could've gone 5-1 😔

[lofty tartan]

[shadow wind]

Sometimes I wonder how the Nintendo switch is still around

[lofty tartan]

To make you suffer.

[plain drum]

How goes it

[shadow wind]

It's doin a great job

[plain drum]

LOL

[lofty tartan]

I reset my switch often if playing ranked. It's resulted in extremely rare crashes.

Also things be fine. Schedule changing at work so that's cool

Just vibing. Playing some poe2 lately. Great game.

Not right now because overnight grind

[plain drum]

Is it? I was always curious about the first one but never tried it

[lofty tartan]

The first one is super complicated when it comes to class building. The second one is much more new player friendly

[plain drum]

Is it worth paying for early access, like is it in a good state

[shadow wind]

If only I didn't crash 😔

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah it's in a good state right now. There's already endgame content and stuff to do post story

They're updating and adding things as they go

[plain drum]

Bet

Might give it a shot, got nothing else on the plate right now tbh

[still ridge]

reminds me of when I got rank 10 on MTG arena, just grind as soon as ranked comes out xD

[lofty tartan]

My roommate and wife are playing. So is my eldest nephew. It's definitely fun with others

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

Highest I’ve ever ended a season was 301

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's super ridiculously easy to get high ranks early. Makes it cheap

[shadow wind]

Going to try to improve that

[plain drum]

If PoE2 has crossplay (first one didn't) I can find my others

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t say cheap

But I always include the games played

Just for that reason

Wait I didn’t there

[lofty tartan]

It does.

[shadow wind]

There we go

[lofty tartan]

🤷

[plain drum]

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I've seen console players milling around with the pc players in game

[shadow wind]

I mean if you have a good record going into Masterball you’re almost guaranteed a good initial rank

[lofty tartan]

I already made a guild. Buying some guild bank tabs when I get home. Lets us share resources/gear

[plain drum]

Nice nice

Glad to hear y'all are enjoying it

[lofty tartan]

6 classes out of 12 are currently live in early access. Everyone uses the same passive skill board.

[plain drum]

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's good. Kinda more like a soulslike with some certain mechanics.

[torn parrot]

Yearly reminder to pp max final gambit

[plain drum]

😭

[torn parrot]

D:

I caught a shiny tandemaus that turned into a family of 3

[strange fjord]

yoooo

nice

[strange fjord]

just found out someone tried to use an old version of my reg g team. complete with nicknames and everything (they probably got it from PokeSports since they featured the team) unfortunately they didnt do so well

[plain drum]

[muted pilot]

Can someone help me to evolve my finizen

[plain drum]

Hi, you're looking for #1040555642668199936

[muted pilot]

I know but no one Will respond to me on that

[fathom geyser]

Does anyone have an ice caly EV spread I can just steal?

[next stump]

I would just use 252HP and 252ATK as your starting point

if you want speed, some people take out of attack and others take from HP

i’ve done like 188HP/252ATK/4DEF/4SpD/rest in speed

[solid frigate]

PFFT

[fathom geyser]

I don't really need the speed because it's on a team with a trick room mode.

But opposing ice horses maul me

[foggy lodge]

Yuta's spread seems fine

He was 252 HP 60 SpD and the remaining points in atk

[fathom geyser]

Alright

There's still the issue of what to do with opposing horses though, I'll upload a sheet in a bit.

The horse just kills me.

https://pokepast.es/65e9ed825f41ab8e

[real prairie]

Ditto can be a pain to deal with 🤣

[dull ibex]

@mighty stump @bold geode weegeecee?

https://youtu.be/sU0E8anX6pI also set up groudon?

[molten oasis]

I pulled an all nighter before work, which is in 6 hours, I’m so cooked lmao

[fading bone]

ok but have u been winning aka worth

[knotty mirage]

What currently the best defensive tera for zamazenta ?

[timber falcon]

I think it depends on the team

But all of them resists water

Grass, water, dragon

[fading bone]

imo wouldnt the best have to be grass rn? miradion is super prevalent and the tera lets your resist electric

[cyan smelt]

Idk electro drift still hits super hard even into resists

Even volt switch does a lot of damage

[molten oasis]

Grass/dragon is the usual Tera’s

Dragon I’ve seen the most

[timber falcon]

will a spread move lose the double attack debuff if one of the opponents mons are immune?

e.g. using sandsear storm against a miraidon and tornadus

[timber falcon]

also dragon is definetely the most prominent, probs due to the multitude of resistances

[knotty mirage]

Alright then i will go for dragon grass still make it weak to fire

[timber falcon]

just make sure your team has a nice amoongus counter

[knotty mirage]

Chien pao i guess

[molten oasis]

I don’t believe so

[timber falcon]

i mean like a mon thats spore resistant, moongus can just tera in the face of pao

[knotty mirage]

Rilla then

[molten oasis]

You can also just pressure and kill amoonguss tbf

[timber falcon]

rilla works well with zama too anyways

[molten oasis]

But it’s always good to have at least spore 1 immunity

[fathom geyser]

Is chienpao just a delete button for the ice horse?

[knotty mirage]

If you mean chien pao can ohko caly ice no i don't think so

[real prairie]

Good start to ladder, will play more tonight. Taking the Mrs to dinner for her Bday 🎈

[timber falcon]

can it even OHKO thoat chop?

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 134-162 (76.5 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

definitely not a delete buttn lol

[fathom geyser]

Damn

[real prairie]

I've only ever ohko the ice horse with a crit water spout in the rain

[chrome knot]

thats quite the irreparable damage

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[left bobcat]

Beat em up

[fathom geyser]

I hate the ice horse :(

It invalides sneedler

[chrome knot]

what

[timber falcon]

just use shifu

[fathom geyser]

True, unfortunately I don't think that thing is very Gucci.

[chrome knot]

lmao.

[left bobcat]

Gucci?

[fathom geyser]

Urshifu is also a 3 hit KO

[left bobcat]

GUCCI MANE

[fathom geyser]

At least the woter one

[timber falcon]

well yeah if you wanna do some damage to ice horse one would normally go for the super effective hit

[fathom geyser]

Even wicked blow is a two hit, I'm malding

[timber falcon]

zacian

[fathom geyser]

Iron crown has a 68% chance to OhKo the horse

I refuse to get the dog

[patent marsh]

https://fixupx.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1875733126217179234

[timber falcon]

i think half the time youd just wanna chip away the horse. Cause even if you have a super effective move they will most likely not let you openly take out the restricted

[fathom geyser]

I can't really do that either

[timber falcon]

whats the team u use'

[fathom geyser]

Urshifu is so stupid oh my god

[fathom geyser]

One sec, it's kinda trash.

[torn parrot]

oh gawd

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/ae38126dfe00c007

@timber falcon

[torn parrot]

love him

i love him

nanomachines son

[timber falcon]

3 phychic types?

[next stump]

I think sneasler is pretty weak in the current meta

[fading bone]

Guys zamezenta is the move

I am winning again

[drowsy comet]

best terapagos counters?

im having trouble with it on my calyrex ice team

[fathom geyser]

Yes

[next stump]

what’s the rest of the team?

[fathom geyser]

I agree

[drowsy comet]

very out there

caly ice, gapdos, indeedee, flutter, and pelliper

[fathom geyser]

I thought of using cresselia but it's too easy to disrupt

[drowsy comet]

gapdos, pelliper, flutter, indeedee

[fading bone]

Yeah you are gonna struggle you have 3 special attackers that makes it@like kinda impossible

You need amoonguss and to sleep him

[drowsy comet]

u talking to me or somebody else

[next stump]

pelipper is nice cause you can at least wide guard the star storm, but your team is pretty massive

something like gapdos + caly-ice lead feels okay into terapagos teams

[drowsy comet]

wdym massive

[next stump]

passive**

[drowsy comet]

i usually lead calyice and indee

[fading bone]

Don’t do that

[drowsy comet]

and into koraidon teams pelliper+flutter

[next stump]

you want galarian zapdos on the field in those matchups to pressure terapagos, incin, and rillaboom

[drowsy comet]

k

then setting up tr is really hard tho cuz i have no redirection

[fading bone]

Yeah also when you lead indee and caly ice it makes them@almost certain ur caly ice won’t trick room

[next stump]

you don’t need trick room

just clicking close combat + lance is strong enough

[drowsy comet]

o i dont

ah kk

thanks

[next stump]

the issue arises if they lead something like urshifu + terapagos

[timber falcon]

I just lost to trick room CSR

[next stump]

because then your gapdos is vulnerable to tera water (or stellar) surging strikes

[drowsy comet]

thanks true

[timber falcon]

i feel like its impossible to read people in this game anymore

[drowsy comet]

so what mon should i add

to finalize the team

[next stump]

are you booster speed flutter

[drowsy comet]

yes

[next stump]

are you running taunt or icy wind

[drowsy comet]

icy wind

i changed it from taunt cuz i was never using it

[mighty stump]

No need to read if you’re playing correctly 😎

[next stump]

taunt is for matchups like terapagos

but honestly even icy wind isn’t bad, you can start to pressure it with stuff like caly-ice

[drowsy comet]

idk i never saw myself using it

so what final mon should i add

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2276138463-brzk9le6dewnjli1xzbnr5laso0r7enpw

[next stump]

if a leftover terapagos set never gets to click calm mind, they’re useless

neutral tera star storm does no damage

[timber falcon]

what should i have done to improve the game?

[drowsy comet]

thats true

but what final mon should i add lol

[cyan smelt]

Raging bolt

[drowsy comet]

how come

[cyan smelt]

Oh wait psychic terrain nvm

[drowsy comet]

yeah lmao

maybe grimmsnarl

[next stump]

turn 1 wide guard was useless, what are you clicking it for?

[drowsy comet]

light clay taunt reflect light screen spirit break

[cyan smelt]

Something to benefit from the rain maybe

[timber falcon]

snarl

[next stump]

also doubling into amoonguss when you’re unsure of the set is tough, it’s much more likely it protects there than calyrex

[timber falcon]

i see

[next stump]

if they have no protect, then i agree with the targeting

[craggy dagger]

[drowsy comet]

so dillon what should my last mon be

[next stump]

🤷‍♂️ probably urshifu

[drowsy comet]

no

i hate that mon

unless its called paddington i hate it

paddigton

i dont like urshifu

[cyan smelt]

Amoonguss for anti tr + stuff that threatens caly i

[drowsy comet]

its my least fav mon

well after bruxish

[cyan smelt]

Wait, rain, what about archaludon

[drowsy comet]

if i dont bring pelliper im cooked

[fathom geyser]

https://pokepast.es/c946d4657cd0ad2a

I'm getting desperate with building something that's fun to me.

[drowsy comet]

tf is tera poison miraiodn

[cyan smelt]

You could do power herb arch

[fathom geyser]

Fairy

[timber falcon]

I dont think balanced zacian team is the way to go this meta

[drowsy comet]

no

it says poison

[fathom geyser]

Yes

[drowsy comet]

why tera poison

youre still weak to ground

[fathom geyser]

But the ground is weak to me also (I did not all and just hit buttons making that team)

I won a game with it so surely it must be good

[real prairie]

Tera water Miraidon is underrated

[fathom geyser]

Woter good

I don't know what to build I just think high power formats don't work for me.

I'll just get to master to get a funky mark on a Sneed and stop playing thereafter.

[next stump]

that’s fair, a lot of players feel that way

player participations drops towards the end of games’ life spans

[timber falcon]

Is anyone free to help me improve this team? Ive got the problems down but idk how to fix them

https://pokepast.es/c597b39a65fcbf01

[bold geode]

Hai bestie

[torn parrot]

NANOMACHINES SON

[craggy dagger]

henlou

[molten oasis]

But it was worth it (the lighting sucks ik)

[molten oasis]

What’s wrong with it

It isn’t worth Rocky helming incin on a rain team imo as you just explode to shifu in 2 hits usually, this team is really slow besides Zac and scarf shifu

I don’t fully get Tera normal here but it’s probably ok

I could see torn working better here over peli tbh, slow tailwind sucks

Also aren’t forced to run scarf that way on shifu

Also there’s better item options than mental herb for shroom but that’s probably ok

[torn parrot]

thats so rad

that looks so nanomachines

son

[left bobcat]

I can’t put down the cup

😔🥤

[molten oasis]

Gundam is so sick I have so many

its a financial problem

I finished this guy last week

[left bobcat]

The cup

[torn parrot]

@molten oasis have you seen witch of mercury

i liked it

[next stump]

@timber falcon haven’t played Zacian myself but it’s seen the most success on hyper offense teams, not balance ones

you need stuff that can threaten big OHKOs and can also set up speed control easily

[craggy dagger]

regieleki

[molten oasis]

I should

[torn parrot]

what is fluttermane's worst enemy that's a non restricted

or does that not exist

the miraidon team uses fire oger

[chrome knot]

stinkeleki

[chrome knot]

rilla

[torn parrot]

i see it

[molten oasis]

To add onto this @timber falcon I like moon torn or whimsi for speed control on zacian

[torn parrot]

with av anyways

[molten oasis]

Peli balance doesn’t work all that well

[bold geode]

Zacian on balance just kinda eh

[craggy dagger]

:(

[bold geode]

Emma I almost had inaccuracy funny moment

[chrome knot]

:3

[bold geode]

Almost lost to a Ho Oh cuz Entei would not connect a Stone Edge

[patent marsh]

It's ok it won't get any better(Been collecting them since I was 8)

[molten oasis]

I mean I’d argue my team is somewhat balance

[tiny karma]

Move: Bleakwind Storm

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 80%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7cb7dc4e0a9cbf12 well, ig its HO

[still ridge]

Is this just an error with showdown damage calcs-

The only thing I changed was tera fairy but on the right it changes it to say '60 BP' and almost doubles the damage

[next stump]

when you terastalize, moves below 60BP are bumped up to 60BP

and then you also gain the STAB from being fairy type

[still ridge]

Huh, this is the first time I'm hearing about that

[left bobcat]

Yes lawwwwwwd

[next stump]

it’s a pretty niche mechanic

[molten oasis]

Works on a certain horse

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[still ridge]

The sad moment when you're planning out a latios/latias build with meta threats in mind only to realize flutter mane does everything I'm trying to do but better

[atomic portal]

gundam is cool @molten oasis

have u seen witch from mercury

[near crag]

Do y'all think 252 hp, 104 def, 36+ spa, and 116 spe good for goggles pelliper? It ohkoes incin on 252 hp 0 spd, 2hkoes rilla and amoonguss, hits 100 speed, and the bulk is completely arbitrary; just went for hp, and leftovers for defense. Btw here's the team https://pokepast.es/e5d1ec2d41dc19e0. Thanks in advance!

[molten oasis]

Nope, I probably will tho

[molten oasis]

What does the spread do?

Why does zacian have so little attack investment?

And what does that spread do?

[near crag]

I don't know tbh, pretty sure I just got a spread here, but I could be trippin

[molten oasis]

So what was wrong with mine?

Cuz I know that shifu spread was mine lol

[near crag]

No idea, just didn’t go with it cuz I already had it in the game

[molten oasis]

Probably should edit that then, Zac wants the attack cuz it’s a 1 time boost

[near crag]

I actually just might get yours, it seems rly better

[molten oasis]

And also the attack invest I have can ohko Tera’d caly

[near crag]

Yeah, I’m def gonna run yours

[molten oasis]

+1 172 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Zacian-Crowned Tera Blast (100 BP) (1st Use) vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Tera-Fire Calyrex-Ice Rider: 204-242 (99 - 117.4%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO

[chrome knot]

ok and choice scarf heatwave,,,

[near crag]

Btw, how do you come up with good spreads? How do you even know what do you wanna survive, for example?

[chrome knot]

understand the game

[near crag]

Ight, but about that pelliper one, I know it’s bad, but why, rly?

[molten oasis]

What does it do

[molten oasis]

Knock off from moon then play rough for the kill

[chrome knot]

ok cool so slot 2 can do whatever it wants this turn

[molten oasis]

then PR will miss and I’ll die anyway

[chrome knot]

trick roomed gg

[molten oasis]

Is scarf yu smth CIR teams are picking up?

[near crag]

Ohko incin w weather ball, 2hko amoonguss and rilla with hurricane (the three on base sets) , and hits 100 speed. The defensive part is arbitrary

[chrome knot]

cant say

[molten oasis]

so probably if I run into you ok

[molten oasis]

What does 100 speed do

[chrome knot]

its out there

[near crag]

It just felt right, bc it can’t rly get to the desired speed tier rn (so nothing rly)

[molten oasis]

I lead shifu into CIR always cuz it’s the only way I stop tr

[chrome knot]

gets donked by average rilla speed and some raging bolts lol

[molten oasis]

Awesome we love being slower and dying to rilla

[near crag]

That is the first spread I’ve ever done, so what do you recommend?

[molten oasis]

Why not just go sash peli scarf lando and LORB pao

Or at least try that

[near crag]

Im on a back and forth between these two sets, and I think it makes more sense, but lorb on pao just seems to take away too much value

[molten oasis]

Of living a hit? Doesn’t matter when everything’s dead

I understand what you’re saying tho

Gonna be honest idk how to calc peli bulk I just use one in a calculator

[near crag]

What do you mean?

[molten oasis]

And I like sash on peli generally

[molten oasis]

Peli’s stats are kinda weird

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 279: Pelipper

Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/100/95/70/65

Total

440

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

Ok they’re not that weird but I’m not that familiar with calcs on it or what you need to live

Probably lance

Maybe astral barrage

Bulky peli I don’t think really care about speed

Bulk<spA<spE I think

Pelipper @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 140 SpD / 36 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Wide Guard
• Weather Ball

I don’t know exactly what that does but it eats hits so it’s probably good enough

Also you prob go cloak on peli and then mystic water shifu and go a more offensive set

If you wanna keep that set go Rocky helm

Pretty sure you have enough anti incin stuff as well so having peli always kill incin isn’t a major deal

[near crag]

Did you just come up with this?

[near crag]

Seems rly good, thanks man

[gentle crag]

kuklcan has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

No it was the set in the calculator I use

There’s vgc calculators online with some saved spreads on it

[near crag]

Im using nimbasa city post, is it good?

[molten oasis]

Idk what that is

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ use this

Oh that’s the same one

Yes this is the good one

[near crag]

Just realized, it’s the bulky damp rock set

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[near crag]

Btw just wondering, does lorb chien run adamant 252 atk 252 spe too?

4 def, let’s not forget

[drowsy comet]

MOST DEVIOUS GAME EVER LMAOOO

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2276282234-0mfnisxahx3ciukssy7l27xdlnflryupw

i was doing this as a joke but klawf da goat fr

[near crag]

Truly a singles moment

[drowsy comet]

fr

[mint void]

Fr

[drowsy comet]

klawf is just like that yk

[molten oasis]

252 att 252 spE 4 def adamant

Those points goninto defense to live surging strikes

LORB pao adamant as well

[near crag]

And btw, is sash peli timid or modest?

[molten oasis]

Uhhhh

Modest

[near crag]

Ight, and btw wouldn’t Tera ghost be better than grass in most cases for peli?

I even saw Tera stellar on the calculator

[tough mural]

I've put my teams online so in case anyone want to try them out or has some changes they think it is better lmk

[molten oasis]

Ghost or stellar for sash yes

[chrome knot]

2 eviolite users on 1 team? & no protects ??

wtaf are these movesets are they ai generated ,,,?

[near crag]

The first one seems cool (shifu’s set is just a little bit weird for my taste, but it’s alright), but the second one is a… team? As you said, no protects, and two eviolite users, but also both calyrex’s and clefairy’s sets are rly awkward…

Maybe you could try going on munch stats, and getting something more standard from there, you don’t need to reinvent the wheel right off the bat

[still ridge]

most people just swap out swords dance for protect on calyrex, clefairy seems mostly fine but I don't understand the sunny day

[near crag]

Little miscommunication here, clefairy seems weird to be there, and also sunny day.

The rest is just regular

[charred saddle]

WP and SD is overkill

[torn parrot]

managed to get my hands on a 0 attack calyrex

cus of a friend who helped

[charred saddle]

also what is that ushifu set

is it meant to be scarfed before

because if it was scarf it would make sense a bit

and idk, no woodhammer on rilla feels kinda weird for me

[still ridge]

Very nice, I never really thought about just how bad foul play would be on lunala and caly-shadow