But I still think for now unless I need to make a blog team imma just focus on goodstuffs
#competitive_discussion
bold geode
molten oasis
Cuz that’s what I’d assume you sacrifice
molten oasis
I now have a turbo bulky shifu lol
I dumped the speed into defense and got the wild charge hands calc
bold geode
Ain't that from E though
molten oasis
I’ve been thinking about going back to sash pao
https://pokepast.es/5ec8e6e68ff11bdc Mirai mu feels really difficult with this
molten oasis
I think it’s just Mirai being more difficult due to no prio tailwind
But I also never brought torn to that mu anyway
But I also think that sash on pao was giving me a better lead into Mirai
Or im bad lol
bold geode
@mighty stump my hindsight was 20/20 again I think
G1 of set 2 did I lead Zam Pao or Rilla Pao
It was Zam Pao right
Yup it was Zam Pao FUCK I COULD'VE SWITCHED ZAM OUT THAT FIRST TURN
mighty stump
<@250386799363489808> my hindsight was 20/20 again I think
G1 of set 2 did I lea...
Zam Pao
Lol
You could have but the switch order wasn’t in your favour
I think
bold geode
No it totally was
bold geode
Cuz you had Pao Crown and like
I thought about your T1 play during the set but thought "both of us can only switch out Pao" which is why I asked about the fuckin nature
mighty stump
Oh right
Pao
True
But theres also the potential Tera Ground + Icicle Crash play
bold geode
Cuz I'm like either this is a coin flip or I'm just fucked which is why I didn't go for it
But I could've just like
Swap in Rilla and Icicle Crashed
mighty stump
Idk if Terrain Control for you being sacrificed was favourable
bold geode
But theres also the potential Tera Ground + Icicle Crash play
I mean I figured there was no way you did that but like
Still I gotta play 5D chess around your fucking brain
mighty stump
I mean I figured there was no way you did that but like
Still I gotta play 5D ch...
:)
Stop gassing me up I’m not that amazing
I think it wasn’t an easy call either way
bold geode
Like normally with others I can narrow it down to 1 or 2 plays and think what's most reasonable here
But you I gotta consider like 5 cuz you always hit me with some shit
mighty stump
We can always run more sets since I need to fix things up
mighty stump
Like normally with others I can narrow it down to 1 or 2 plays and think what's ...
Lmao
bold geode
Like deadass I called Crown Tera 3 times that set and got ALL of em wrong
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/5ec8e6e68ff11bdc Mirai mu feels really difficult with this
@mighty stump can I get your thoughts for this?
Just unsure on if it’s just needing more mu practice or if it smth with the team
mighty stump
Sash Peli + something Scary to threaten
mighty stump
One button clicks Tailwind the other is Miraidon therefore only one slot can attack = you can guarantee Tailwind
If you have Sash
molten oasis
So lando+sash peli lead?
mighty stump
Basicaly
molten oasis
Which can force tailwind from whimsi
mighty stump
Imo
molten oasis
Zac also wouldn’t be bad on lead
mighty stump
If you lead Peli + Lando
- Tailwind + Volt Switch into Peli is only gonna trigger Focus Sash and whatever switches in has to eat Sandsear
- Tailwind + Draco Meteor means you sac Lando but you get a free switch and Sash remains unbroken
Keep in mind Encore Whimsi
mighty stump
…I know…
mighty stump
Preference
mighty stump
Either
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/67d7dca58ca7c73f Alr I’ll play this for a bit
Does sash peli go ghost or does it go an offensive Tera?
mighty stump
Ghost ig?
bold geode
Usually see it going Ghost but I have seen a few Stellar or Flying tera in the mix
Probably Ghost though since you don't have Protect
next stump
stellar can be sick because you can get some OHKO's you otherwise lose out on
mighty stump
Im a fan of Stellar
left bobcat
Stellar is BROKEN-
bold geode
Tofu I was gonna have my Goggles Shifu outspeed Jolly Incin, there any other like Icy Wind calcs I could probably do?
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 92 HP / 156 Atk / 52 Def / 140 SpD / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Aqua Jet
- Substitute
- Protect
Here's one I had
It's 126 idk why it's 2 points faster than what it need to be
mighty stump
Stellar is BROKEN-
No it isn’t
bold geode
+1 156 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Psychic vs. 92 HP / 140 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 320-378 (171.1 - 202.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Same calc for just HH neutral Barrage
Eh with the extra EVs I could make a 25% roll for Timid Choice Specs Astral Barrage live
molten oasis
Stellar it is
bold geode
But now I live the other so pog
Also live a Timid Max Spatk Psyshock from Neutral Caly as long as it ain't boosted by an item or something cuz I know some Caly run that
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/cff73105fff7ab66 thoughts?
I think I need aqua jet for shifu or can I go taunt on shifu
bold geode
180+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 92 HP / 156 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 156-186 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Nice
bold geode
25% chance
craggy dagger
calc proto SpAtk-
bold geode
Oh it dies
craggy dagger
doesn’t proto sets usually run 36+?
molten oasis
Me too tofu
bold geode
It don't ever live Proto boost
bold geode
doesn’t proto sets usually run 36+?
DO THEY?
molten oasis
No but they’re not all proto boost
craggy dagger
given i’m runnning AV sun
bold geode
Yeah no 36+ is a 87.5% roll
bold geode
Guaranteed
I'm just going for minimums LMAO
molten oasis
Just calc to live 252+ no balls
bold geode
Like 156 Adamant don't give up too much damage
molten oasis
My set is also 156 adamant
left bobcat
252 ADAMANT 💪
bold geode
Minimums is 1/16 rolls
The 25% one for CSR is like as low as I can go for Specs CSR
mighty stump
Weezin CSR teams
molten oasis
oh gotcha
bold geode
Yeah
Is 156 spatk on a Timid CSR even a good like bar? Was a damage calc spread and it looked about reasonable for a Sitrus Nasty Plot set
mighty stump
Depends on how realistic your MUs
But sure
You can always just adjust from dxperience
So dont get too hung up
Lol
bold geode
Right
I just figured it was a good bar cuz like
Then I know "if Cloak or Sitrus we good, but Lorb eh"
placid mist
Looking to improve my team for the upcoming regulation, any feedback?
https://pokepast.es/f8f4b67635e799fd
bold geode
But everything else is like a guarantee so far or a 1/16 tbh so
mighty stump
If you need more leeway just knock your guarantees down to 1/16
bold geode
Just didn't wanna go like too low in it's attack cuz I didn't wanna hit like a wet paper towel
Can probably tone down Defense then
252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 92 HP / 52 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike in Grassy Terrain: 150-176 (80.2 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
I can definitely knock that down to like
99%
Though I should probably look at some more physical calcs before I do so
bold geode
Gonna forgo looking at Iron Hands calcs for Shifu
Most of those are with Miraidon which I'm not bringing Shifu to at all anyways
mighty stump
Pao performance remains strong look at that 9.3 - 15% conversion rate
bold geode
Tofu there any other physical calcs I should look at besides maybe Zam Body Press?
dense latch
that cir drop is crazy damn
bold geode
There we go
92/12 HP Def guarantees the Rilla calc and a live from 236+ SoR boosted Zamazenta Body Press
molten oasis
Groudon always there somehow lmao
Lando’s gone up over pao and peli? Damn
Is eleki coming back?
bold geode
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@mighty stump what you think the ratio for Adamant vs Jolly Pao is
Actually what's more important
Outspeeding Pao after an Icy Wind or 1/16 max spatk modest TClap
This sounds dumber when I say it now ngl
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Atk / 12 Def / 188 SpD / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Aqua Jet
- Substitute
- Detect
I'm happy with this
molten oasis
Oh right that team didn’t run fighting coverage on shifu
bold geode
1/16 roll TClap from max spatk Modest Bolt, guarantees live from Timid Choice Specs Astral Barrage as well as if they are 156 Spatk EVs and I tera Water, then as long as no boosting item Shifu will live a +1 Psychic
And guarantees lives from max attack Adamant Rillaboom Miracle Seed Glide as well as a SoR boosted Zamazenta Body Press with 236+ Def EVs
Hits the attack bump with 156+ and outspeeds Jolly Incineroar
@molten oasis I'm very tempted to do something silly
molten oasis
Ok
bold geode
Run Rilla with 36+ attack to run more bulk/speed
Since it's not getting much without terrain at 116+ anyways for me
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What can I reasonably outspeed with Icy Wind here hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Not much
I'm going somewhere else for this
bold geode
https://x.com/ToppoWoppo/status/1872314174191407272
Emma I got a question for ya
Do you happen to have like a speed tier list for Reg G?
That I can use
chrome knot
noooo
bold geode
Damn
craggy dagger
bold geode
Was scrolling through Twitter tryna find a speed tier list and I found it while doing so
Can I just say some Incineroar cards look fucking amazing
Like I want this card
And then there's what I call the Jiraiya card
Like those cards are fucking HEAT
craggy dagger
oo
what set is that in
bold geode
I honestly don't know
bold geode
@chrome knot I'm running AV Rilla with 120 Speed, I'm going too far 
chrome knot
in reg h mine was 150spe
craggy dagger
bold geode
LMAO
Well 120 can outspeed max speed Timid Torn after Icy Wind meaning I can Icy Wind U Turn in a pinch
Actually eh maybe not that but we go 119 letting us after Icy Wind outspeed things like Ogerpon iirc and +2 max speed Adamant Dondozo
next stump
<@224303371564220418> I'm running AV Rilla with 120 Speed, I'm going too far <:K...
there's merit to even going higher to outspeed stuff like turbo incin
bold geode
there's merit to even going higher to outspeed stuff like turbo incin
Nah already got Shifu on that + running Zam
Not ever usually in positions where losing that Fake Out war loses me
252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Rider Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 244 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 159-187 (77.1 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That works LMAO
I went from a good Ursh spread to probably the jankest looking spread for Rilla LMAO
Rillaboom (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Atk / 4 Def / 108 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Fake Out
Actually gonna try this
Rillaboom (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 132 HP / 36 Atk / 116 Def / 108 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Fake Out
left bobcat
High horse
chrome knot
inaccurate move lottery 
oh I could just
tera + protect t1 ep shifu
ep shifu + tr t2
alleviates groudon mind game
craggy dagger
chrome knot
wait no it doesnt
I take too much damage
prob lead pon
whole team loses to pon/lando idk why I made it so complex
bold geode
Thx
tall wigeon
So... how many orge ousting yall do to get all those EV reset mochis to test all these crazy ev builds?
bold geode
Fuck my Zam speed tier on that list LMAO
next stump
So... how many orge ousting yall do to get all those EV reset mochis to test all...
most people test their EV spreads on pokemon showdown and only create the final version in game
tall wigeon
but I mean they do change the build through out the season or if they want to use a different team to climb / tourney with. Not like everybody has 3-4 urishifus and what not per copy no?
next stump
yeah for sure but again, if you play in maybe 2 or 3 tournaments per regulation, that's only 2 or 3 EV resets. And also keep in mind people sometimes do play through copies multiple times or they do just get the EV reducing berries/mochi
little plank
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2270086432 groudon vs groudon matchup lol
next stump
your average competitive player (that does things efficiently) will only do a couple EV resets per season, and that might even be a stretch
next stump
i will just breed a new rillaboom/incin/etc. for a new team personally
unless it's a close spread
but for close spreads, i'm using EV berries and not mochi
tall wigeon
like granted I know Wolfe and those top guys have a team to support them and what not, but like I see so many diferent builds / ev spreads in VGC that Im like depending on the team, the same mon might want a different build cause they have a different role
chrome knot
i reset like everything each time just to make sure they’re right
tall wigeon
i reset like everything each time just to make sure they’re right
So you're like a master ouster?
chrome knot
no i jus
next stump
like granted I know Wolfe and those top guys have a team to support them and wha...
coming from someone who has played in probably 30 IRL tournaments this past year (including small locals), i've never once played oger ousting and i haven't had any issues
chrome knot
did other stuff to my game lol
next stump
i either breed a new pokemon or use EV reducing berries depending on the severity of the changes
like for one regional I had 252ATK/252SPE Urshifu, then the next one I want to invest in some Special Defense instead of max attack so just 10 berries needed to achieve those changes. No need for a full reset personally
tall wigeon
Hmmm, welp either way guess Im spamming Portos or Orge at minimum. Dope.
I also gotta catch all the mons first and get the other games to get the mons from them...
next stump
yep that's definitely step 1, or at least find someone to trade since the games have been out for a while
little plank
I would love to play in irl tournaments but most the teams I do really well with are kinda gimmicky so probably would do well anyways lol
next stump
but it's tough to sometimes trade for something like raging bolt/etc.
little plank
Wouldn't*
next stump
I would love to play in irl tournaments but most the teams I do really well with...
100% understandable but i will always be such a big proponent of people at least trying it if there is something nearby. it's a fully different game (playing in person) and to me and many others who've tried, strictly more fun
gimmicky teams can still work but they need to be more grounded in something strong. Like your groudon team would probably still function fine at a local tournament
tall wigeon
Like how Wolfe made this Perish Team work because he still had a very strong rain team to back up the strat
mint void
like granted I know Wolfe and those top guys have a team to support them and wha...
wolfey outsources team building to some of his long time subs
tall wigeon
Well that I already know. As big and busy as he is, he basically has a staff on hand
mint void
its not really staff
little plank
Still blows my mind that my team was so close to wolfeys team with almost the same strat behind it lmao
mint void
being my point
craggy dagger
I would love to play in irl tournaments but most the teams I do really well with...
just because it’s a gimmick doesn’t mean that it won’t work well 
tall wigeon
Oh I just kinda figured he knows people who helps him calc / make the team / tests with and then he has his youtube staff / editors and what not
craggy dagger
it wouldn’t be staff but rather the vgc community i would think-
i know that some pros in the vgc world come together to build one team together
chrome knot
hi
mint void
Oh I just kinda figured he knows people who helps him calc / make the team / tes...
yes. he makes teams with his friends. The teams mons are often sourced by subs and the final touch he does himself
and edit team for YT staff obvi
chrome knot
im no pro but, toronto i built with like 5 people
i made teams in game for alot of people asw
tall wigeon
does he just buy the mons off subs? I always do wonder how people just have so many spare 1 of legendaries around
mint void
it wouldn’t be staff but rather the vgc community i would think-
i know that som...
its just random subs that he knows for some time that get the mons for his teams
tall wigeon
even if you beat the game and catch, put in home and rinse and repeat
that takes awhile
craggy dagger
<a:NekoLaugh:673354487607459854>
next stump
I think it’s more that people would love the honor of Wolfey using their pokemon for a tournament
and it’s also just a rental, I’m sure he returns the pokemon if they want it back
tall wigeon
oh, I guess rental mons are a thing as well. Same thing happens in pro tcg and what not. Guess that's true
chrome knot
<a:KissuNose:692926171771568149>
gang i have a massive headache and i close soon
craggy dagger
gang i have a massive headache and i close soon
mint void
I think it’s more that people would love the honor of Wolfey using their pokemon...
its legit just long time subs yeah
next stump
yeah, it’s exactly like borrowing your friends cards/deck for a tournament
craggy dagger
hang in there emmaaaaaaa
fathom geyser
https://pokepast.es/2142f642764febef
I built the team in like half an hour and liked the vibes of it in the hour I played with it. Now I intend to go to a local with it. Incineroar can go, the cat hasn't pulled it's weight and needs to replaced by anything that can throw a kitchen sink or do good support.
Any suggestions welcome I have no idea what to slot in that'd fit better
mint void
@fathom geyserno speed control isnt that great. your only tool against TR is Amoonguss. Any reason u dont include EVs in it?
fathom geyser
<@740130647896490036>no speed control isnt that great. your only tool against TR...
I forgor to show EV's they're mostly 252/252 spreads because I didn't bother to calculate anything, what speed control would you recommend?
craggy dagger
<@740130647896490036>no speed control isnt that great. your only tool against TR...
no speed control is fine if you know how to pace the game to your own
fathom geyser
The games of TR I played I kinda just thugged it out with the shroom and monke
Or just played protect the queen with gholdengo
craggy dagger
plus they have fake out and amoongus
mint void
yeah shroom is pretty good
fathom geyser
But the cat either folded or the debuffs were irrelevant to the game state so I ended up never bringing it even in match ups where it should've helped
mint void
incin?
fathom geyser
Yeah
craggy dagger
team looks fine
a couple adjustments i’d make is protect on sneasler
maybe u turn on rillaboom instead of knock off
protect on dengo instead of substitute
and protect on amoongus instead of giga drain
mint void
- a more bulky set if you have 252 in atk rn
craggy dagger
you can also maybe run sludge bomb if you want offense on amoongus
mint void
didnt even see drain till now
craggy dagger
drain is alright but base 75 coming from a almost no investment amoongus is kinda useless imo
mint void
yeah. I usually run sludgebomb for suprise dmg
craggy dagger
sneasler wants protect because it’s really frail and opposing fake out can shut it down
fathom geyser
yeah. I usually run sludgebomb for suprise dmg
I'll toss it on, sounds good.
craggy dagger
yeah
and prolly run tera dark for psychic types
fathom geyser
Will do.
craggy dagger
or if you want more damage then you can run stellar tera
fathom geyser
I am quiet fond of number big
craggy dagger
it’s only one boost but it’s still something to watch out for if it does stellar and it’s unburden
craggy dagger
if i had to adjust it then maybe like this?
https://pokepast.es/8300c653fd2e6557
mint void
no prot amoonguss?
fathom geyser
Unfortunately, I like the fella.
Thanks for the suggestions I'll definitely try 'em out.
Though is there anything that applies more relevant debuffs to what the team is trying to do, with tempo stealing moves like fake out I could use instead of Incin?
tidal wolf
I how do you find most recent season 25 rental teams I can only find old teams
Making it harder to drop in ranks
fathom geyser
Drop in ranks for what?
left bobcat
Yeah
tidal wolf
Drop in ranks for what?
Wym for masterball tier
tidal wolf
And what’s the difference in singles and doubles in playstyle
I only played singles but wanting to play comp doubles
next stump
And what’s the difference in singles and doubles in playstyle
there’s a lot but some of the more important ones off the top of my head:
- with double the amount of pokemon on the field, turns are a lot more complex.
- you choose 4 pokemon total (2 in the front and 2 in the back) compared to singles where in game, you choose 3.
- Doubles is a lot less set up reliant. Moves like swords dance or dragon dance are somewhat used, but mostly you just rely on strong neutral or super effective hits to win
- Things like poison spikes or spike rocks are rarely, if ever, used in battle. They’re not worth the time to set up
- Battles are over much faster. I’d bet the average VGC battle is decided between 4-6 turns, whereas singles can regularly last 20-30+ even in game
There are probably 10-15 big differences I didn’t list but those are the ones that stick out to me
tidal wolf
there’s a **lot** but some of the more important ones off the top of my head:
-...
Also when should I use protect because I never used that in single battle
I thought it was only for stall poekmon and heal
next stump
whenever you think that slot is going to be targeted down. It’s more complex than that, but that’s the simple answer
it’s tough to click protect when stuff like urshifu is back in the game soon
shadow wind
You know that isn't a replay right?
left bobcat
Yah yah
foggy lodge
Twitter
mint void
I how do you find most recent season 25 rental teams I can only find old teams
Labmouse
munchstats for most use mons
But we are swapping to Reg G in about a week
little plank
You know that isn't a replay right?
i didnt until you said something lmao
But had groudon and sableye out vs terapagos that had 60% hp left... I PB and it missed....
faint cedar
i just fought someone running a full offense porygon 2 and ive never felt this level of betrayal a day in my life
solid frigate
Definetly easier 1400 than Reg H
faint cedar
gg's
shadow wind
Does snow increase the amount of damage that Body press does?
Like an ice type pokemon
dense latch
Does snow increase the amount of damage that Body press does?
it does
just checked in the damage calculator
shadow wind
Oh really?
I just tried in the damage calc and it didn't work...
How did you put it in?
shadow wind
😔
shadow wind
Bit broken for sure
dense latch
what were you thinking of doing?
shadow wind
Oh I just had a game where there was snow up and I'm testing Avalugg
360 def 😭
Avalugg kinda has sauce
Wide guard and body press
And hear me out
Mirror coat
dense latch
Mirror coat
that's if it can survive a special move in the first place
shadow wind
Yup yup
So I'm seeing if it can be a CTS fella
Slower than CIR and can mirror coat CSR
And also wide guard
Wide guard is always useful
dense latch
it's possible that people dont even know it has wide guard
shadow wind
There was a Miraidon team with Avalugg last Reg G
Electric seed body press
0 Atk Avalugg Ice Spinner vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 228-268 (139 - 163.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
There's also this
Groudon struggles with Lando
And lowkey
He's just a chill table
dense latch
252 Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg in Snow: 66-78 (32.6 - 38.6%) -- 93.8% chance to 3HKO
craggy dagger
Slower than CIR and can mirror coat CSR
not if they double into lugg-
dense latch
not if they double into lugg-
i can't imagine a scenario where someone would double into an avalugg of all things
shadow wind
Man
They was running slow Chandelure
Rest in peace Avalugg
Bro got blasted by a lorb sun boosted heat wave
Probably took 500%
craggy dagger
i can't imagine a scenario where someone would double into an avalugg of all thi...
you'd be surprised
dense latch
yea that
shadow wind
Bro's max speed is 88
dense latch
open up the opportunity for a pblades miss :))
shadow wind
Opportunity for me to double miss
craggy dagger
Means I get a free move with someone else
true
dense latch
what item did you give it
dense latch
urshifu probably takes more from rocky helmet than avalugg does from surging strikes
shadow wind
Probably
252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg on a critical hit: 54-66 (26.7 - 32.6%) -- approx. 4HKO
It literally does
But yeah testing out Grassy Seed
I also might go tera fighting
To resist rock as well as body press doing a gajillion damage
dense latch
252+ Def Tera-Fighting Avalugg Body Press vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 206-246 (103 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
+1 252+ Def Tera Fighting Avalugg Body Press vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice: 103-123 (50 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Wowza
dense latch
thats a bad incin spread tho i just took it off the damage calc
252+ Def Tera-Fighting Avalugg Body Press vs. 236 HP / 124 Def Incineroar: 186-222 (93 - 111%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO even with def investment
shadow wind
Then if I'm Grassy seeded up
dense latch
+1 252+ Def Tera-Fighting Avalugg Body Press vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 224-266 (110.8 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO this is as much def investment i can give to incin
shadow wind
Yuppers
dense latch
lmao
shadow wind
Except bro needs to get an attack off
shadow wind
1 billion
Low elo and he didn't really do a whole lot but he applied pressure !
And did 1 trillion damage to that mouse
dense latch
Low elo and he didn't really do a whole lot but he applied pressure !
wow your elo standards are high
that's like top 250
dense latch
yea but your opponent was 1541
shadow wind
Oh I play like 1600s guys
Ladder be small for some reason
I hover 1500s
But yknow, Avalugg...
My opponents are either 1600 or 1200 I swear
Wait
Does Avalugg smoke Terapagos???
+1 252+ Def Tera Fighting Avalugg Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 270-320 (158.8 - 188.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
With no tera shell
dense latch
does it even need the +1 boost?
shadow wind
Nope
I've got a feeling they know I have wide guard
God dang it
How things turn out in OTS
little plank
Definetly easier 1400 than Reg H
Nice! I just got tanking from 1620ish to 1450 lol
little plank
lmao
craggy dagger
LMAO
shadow wind
Alright, wide guard 50/50s are not my jam
Cause if they know I have wide guard I just lose
He lived
BRO HAS 46 SPDEF
molten oasis
Avalugg?
shadow wind
Yus
Table
He's lowkey not cooking
If I was the greatest player of all time maybe
The 🐐
solid frigate
honestly Anything that Calyrex Ice Tera has is not Tera Fire or Ground
which Tera Fire is the most common Tera
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
drowsy comet
does anybody have a comp ready and ev trained iron hands? Im a scarlet player
foggy lodge
Why 100 SpA i swear😭
solid frigate
Why 100 SpA i swear😭
Eruption+Pokemon Before Gen 4
solid frigate
does anybody have a comp ready and ev trained iron hands? Im a scarlet player
uhhhh couldn't you just ask #trading_sv and build it your own
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
drowsy comet
oh lmao mb
solid frigate
is it decent enough bulk?
shadow wind
Man
Why does my luck have to be this way
Surging strikes into effect spore Moonguss
Nothing
I even breath in the same room as a Sneasler
Slept para'd and the game has ended
rustic mountain
Nice! I just got tanking from 1620ish to 1450 lol
gta love the net negative ladder experience
left bobcat
Shows over
foggy lodge
Twitter
chrome knot
wood hammer
torn parrot
i watched sonic 3 and loved it
but the jokes made me cringe so hard that i was brought to tears
there were actual tears running down my face when sonic said konichiWHAAAAAT
plain drum
I’d expect nothing less tbh
dense latch
i watched sonic 3 and loved it
how good was it compared to the other 2?
dense latch
first wasn't great but if you turned off your brain enough it was a fun time
torn parrot
second was better and had stuff i liked this one was a really entertaining and funny and cool
and had fanservice ass moments
loved that
foggy lodge
my nephew liked the first one and i can't be critical of something when a close person likes it so i liked it too😭
i probably didn't use my brain when i saw it tho
dense latch
i made my cir outspeed jolly ogerpon after two ewebs and it's been so clutch
i was using adamant cir at first bc i didn't think i could get a 0 speed calyrex but im kinda liking it now
foggy lodge
Are you using Eleki CIR?
torn parrot
eleki landorus calyrex ice is such an annoyingly smart combo that i hate
eleki outspeeds so much shit with a scarf
foggy lodge
I've been fine against it but Eleki is annoying
dense latch
Are you using Eleki CIR?
yea
foggy lodge
eleki outspeeds so much shit with a scarf
This 😭😭 my scarf shifu
torn parrot
This 😭😭 my scarf shifu
My literal fucking timid scarf chi yu
Actually forced to tailwind
I had to put taunt on my Urshifu to adapt
foggy lodge
most eleki are modest right
I don't see real value of timid eleki tbh modest hits 252 speed
dense latch
yea modest
torn parrot
yea modest
I ain’t taken any chances on assuming that
Every regi is timid in my brain
Until proven otherwise
foggy lodge
Atleast Amoonguss carries my match up against that team
dense latch
i love navjit's team but it's so annoying to lose games off of power whip misses
torn parrot
Pairing it with trick room is actually genius
foggy lodge
i love navjit's team but it's so annoying to lose games off of power whip misses
The price of using rockpon
balmy glen
Gaming
torn parrot
200 speed is so much…
foggy lodge
80/50/50 bulk is hilarious tho
plain drum
Zoom
dense latch
80/50/50 bulk is hilarious tho
throw some dirt at eleki and it's down to its sash
torn parrot
sash = infinite bulk tho
shadow wind
Surging strikes 😔
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/fearless-year-of-shadow-year-of-shadow-shadow-the-hedgeho...
The True Shadow Rider
if you did not get it just search shadow with a motorcycle
torn parrot
Surging strikes 😔
first you gotta
OUTSPEED
cant kill a mon you cant touch
hgnnnn
oh you tailwinded? trick room time
actually pretty smart concept that i hate
torn parrot
it doesnt even need to be item boosted to kill regi
but you gotta talwind to even outspeed him
regi dies if you breath on it
solid frigate
oh you tailwinded? trick room time
POV:CIR Mains Be like
torn parrot
kyogre teams are adapting
they are now trick room teams disguised...
scary
the whimsi has trick room
knotty mirage
Damn whimsi got trick room i will note that
shadow wind
Now trick room is only -6 prio !
knotty mirage
But no one expect it to comes from whimsi that is i just really hope i don't see something like that on next month reg push
shadow wind
Or flutter mane !
solid frigate
shadow wind
Guess AV just isn't an item
😭
252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 148 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 126-150 (57.5 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Frickin specs
knotty mirage
Or flutter mane !
Fluttermane is still predictable at least and it doesn't have tailwind
shadow wind
True
If I see a Flutter mane lead with Iron hands I know what's about to go down
Now they're getting tricky
Real scary seeing that when there's a Miraidon on the field
last yarrow
Double checking rq, it's alright for me to send teams for y'all to tear to shreds as long as I upload to pokepaste right?
solid frigate
yea
solid frigate
Can I have one game where I don't miss a move 😭
no
shadow wind
I almost got shafted because of luck
last yarrow
Noice, made this reg H one & am getting a good few wins on it but I'm wondering what y'all think & how I could try improving it
shadow wind
That's Reg G?
cyan smelt
<@&727593710816067594> a couple of people have posted in #rental_teams and they're not teams
shadow wind
Kill them
raven sun
Deleted. Back to sleep I go, lol
solid frigate
brother wtf-
shadow wind
I know 😭😭
solid frigate
wait
shadow wind
Waiting
shadow wind
Holding on
near crag
What is the best defensive Tera type for watershifu? I’m kinda leaning towards grass, but not rly sure
shadow wind
Grass or ghost usually
solid frigate
What is the best defensive Tera type for watershifu? I’m kinda leaning towards g...
Grass or Poison
shadow wind
I feel like poison is better with AV
near crag
It’s mystic water
shadow wind
Then probably grass
near crag
Grass or ghost usually
Never seen ghost, what’s the idea behind it?
shadow wind
Fake out
That’s about it but it is technically a defensive Tera
I guess also Paonite?
But that kinda fell of because the main threat of the format is a ghost type
near crag
Makes sense
shadow wind
But yeah, usually grass is the best
craggy dagger
Grass or Poison
ghost all the way
craggy dagger
prevents fake out
though grass is fine but you still retain your flying weakness
if anything go tera water. water type is already a really good defensive tera type while you also get boosts for your surging strikes
shadow wind
Yeah I was boutta say
craggy dagger
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Not that one
craggy dagger
awe
shadow wind
Mono water fish
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
😭😭
solid frigate
i thought its basc cuz Cursed Feesh
shadow wind
Craziest move ever made
craggy dagger
is stab bonus 1.5?
shadow wind
Guys I like Groudon who the frick do you think it is😭😭
craggy dagger
i forget if the multipliers are multiplicative or additive
shadow wind
Multiplicative
craggy dagger
Guys I like Groudon who the frick do you think it is😭😭
that’s a whale
shadow wind
Technically it’s a leviathan 🤓🤓
craggy dagger
170 BP sometimes
249
or
248.625
Stab + choice band + strong jaw
shadow wind
😭😭
craggy dagger
rain is another 1.5 right-
shadow wind
Yup…
85
Moving first - 2x
STAB 1.5x
String jaw 1.5x
Rain 1.5x
Choice band 1.5x
Jesus Christ that’s a lot of multipliers
860
What the frick
solid frigate
can 2HKO Palkia out of all things-
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Just like sharpness
craggy dagger
damn
solid frigate
if its Dracovish
craggy dagger
ok
craggy dagger
tera just makes stab 2 right-
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Palkia in Rain: 110-130 (55.8 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
Almost 1150 😭😭
craggy dagger
1,147.5 
shadow wind
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. ...
Helping hand 🙏🙏
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. ...
Yes Max Bulk Palkia-
craggy dagger
Helping hand 🙏🙏
oh god
solid frigate
almost
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Helping Hand Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Palkia in Rain: 150-177 (76.1 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
shadow wind
Never mind it did NOT calc like I thought it would
molten oasis
dracovish gaming
molten oasis
shadow wind
Power spot’ll do it
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Palkia in Rain: 196-231 (99.4 - 117.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
SoR
shadow wind
Power spot is 1.3x
craggy dagger
christ
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Tera Grass Regirock in Rain: 122-144 (78.7 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
shadow wind
Sword of ruin is 1.25x
solid frigate
yeah thank god Dracovish is not in this game
shadow wind
I wish he was
craggy dagger
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Sword of Ruin Dracovish Helping Hand Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Grass Regirock in Rain: 243-286 (129.9 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
shadow wind
Actually I wish Yvetal was in this game
molten oasis
lmfao waht a stupid guy
solid frigate
you probably did not see how Drago,Nova and Me do Gapdos comps lool
craggy dagger
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Sword of Ruin Dracovish Helping Hand Power Spot boosted Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 0- Def Rolycoly in Rain: 29368-46116 (27969.5 - 43920%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
pffff
shadow wind
Give it dry skin
craggy dagger
Give it dry skin
that-
heals
craggy dagger
Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend vs. Dry Skin Rolycoly: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
shadow wind
Dang it!
ember linden
Hey peeps
shadow wind
Almost signature
craggy dagger
they all boosts stats one way or another
ember linden
GG?
ember linden
I won’t lose to you again !!
craggy dagger
+6 252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Sword of Ruin Dracovish Helping Hand Atk Cheer with 3 Power Spot boosts Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. -6 0 HP / 0- Def Rolycoly in Rain: 392-62564 (195 - 31126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ember linden
I’m locked in for the rematch if it comes
shadow wind
Why does the calc die when calcing mins?
ember linden
Idk
This was my crazy 1500 game https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2270348627-24ku2ghy9gyaieke8kz6yjo2m87125wpw
shadow wind
North America be like
ember linden
This was the 3rd time playing against the same guy but I forget what he lead first time around
shadow wind
Jeez they had some points
molten oasis
goatres <:tohruStronk:972500128797691924>
i wish
its the goat if shifu wasn't around
or hands
molten oasis
i agree
shadow wind
Beefy guy too
molten oasis
i used it a ton in reg f
shadow wind
125 spdef is way higher than I thought
Like I know flutter has 135 but it also has 55 HP
solid frigate
Hey wait a minute…
I'D KNEW IT WAS FAMILIAR
shadow wind
Extremely
molten oasis
oh shit
ember linden
I'D KNEW IT WAS FAMILIAR
Yeah I remember you
shadow wind
Fiery wrath is lowkey busted
molten oasis
too bad the mon isnt all that great rn
ember linden
Idt it has a place for now
shadow wind
😔
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
Beefy
molten oasis
100 spA isnt really enough to do anything sadly
shadow wind
Berserk 🙏🙏
molten oasis
you have to be at half hp
shadow wind
It’ll happen
molten oasis
that doesn't save it lol
shadow wind
Definitely not amazing but I think it got potential
ember linden
It was a meta adaptation that was niche but format hit a reset button where ppl defaulted to worlds teams without necessarily knowing what the team does or why it is how it is soo
molten oasis
being at half is like free food for a caly lol
mostly ice rider, or you get kissed by shadow rider
shadow wind
That’s why I outplay it
molten oasis
molten oasis
damn this mu is really bad lol
ember linden
You’re not bad
molten oasis
"just be better ez"
shadow wind
Hey sometimes it comes down to that
molten oasis
i feel that way fighting any caly, cuz they are, something else
shadow wind
Caly S has become easier with Goltres but it’s just Miraidon for me
Which is funny coming from the Groudon guy
ember linden
I haven’t fought CIR in like 30 games
shadow wind
Lucky
molten oasis
lucky
ember linden
But csr is every other game on average
shadow wind
Yup
molten oasis
Caly S has become easier with Goltres but it’s just Miraidon for me
you explode to draco lol
shadow wind
I KNOW
ember linden
Which is better for me
molten oasis
and then mirai resets for the rest of the game
ember linden
Lemme see the paste
shadow wind
Made it like an hour ago
So it's still fresh and needs tweaking
2 hours ago to be exact
ember linden
Never calc for adamant lorb but I don’t think you live adamant
molten oasis
you probably dont live lorb in general lol
shadow wind
I literally just said “Eh that’s enough speed”
After clicking the suggested EV spread button
Like don’t look at the Volc evs, very clapped
shadow wind
Oh nice
ember linden
It’s like THE standard bolt spread
shadow wind
I like mine hitting hard
molten oasis
108+ is plenty
shadow wind
I used to have Tera electric but I felt the Lando MU was terrible
Although that was before tailwind
So I’ll probably tweak em
ember linden
I’ll say the only place for Goltres is on Groudon teams
molten oasis
i play zacian
shadow wind
Probably works there
molten oasis
i cant hit 2 types, its fine lol
shadow wind
Fire and steel gaming
ember linden
I say you drop volc and farig they’re so bad compared to Wake and something else
shadow wind
Farig?
molten oasis
you got flutter?
shadow wind
Always
molten oasis
good its required lol
shadow wind
Same with bolt
ember linden
What’re you talking about
shadow wind
And I'm using volc because of damage control on the special side as well as a sun abuser
molten oasis
its a sun team you gotta have the 2 best proto mons
shadow wind
Groudon teams love Flutter and bolt
shadow wind
Haven't had any issues with Lando since adding Tailwind
ember linden
Your worst enemy
molten oasis
eeeehhhh
shadow wind
😔
molten oasis
it eats spouts ig, probably doesn't take thunders/ice beams super well
ember linden
Volc may be able to stay but farig can go 100%
shadow wind
For who???
ember linden
Wake
shadow wind
TR and prio block is stupid good
molten oasis
fari also nice into CIR
shadow wind
Fake out in general
ember linden
Protect you don’t care
molten oasis
you cant burn incin
shadow wind
Nasty plot CSR
ember linden
Goltres
shadow wind
And also the ghost immunity is nice
+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Moltres-Galar: 76-90 (40 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Actually does less than I thought it was going to
+2 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Moltres-Galar: 148-174 (77.8 - 91.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
There's the calc
Although lorb nasty plot is greedy
molten oasis
i wouldn't even say goltres solves CSR
molten oasis
that mu sucks regardless of what you have, fari helps for sure
ember linden
Just trust me you do not need farig goltres should have foul play yo
molten oasis
i dont really like the volc personally
hearth could be funny if you want redirection
ember linden
Nah nah I’ll let him cook for now
molten oasis
plus +1 tera fire sun boosted ivy cudgel probably chunks basically everything
ember linden
Keep Volc
ember linden
Exactly
shadow wind
Firepon is amazing on sun teams just not this one
molten oasis
wouldn't hurt to add another guy for it but idk if that should be wake
i'd say rilla personally, fake out for you can be nice
shadow wind
Instead of who though?
molten oasis
fari if you choose to drop that
shadow wind
If things get rough I'll consider
Tera water volc with struggle bug actually makes Kyogre a non issue
AND Rage powder with rocky helmet and flame body cooks Urshifu???
Also Volc is great for Zama
molten oasis
i brought volc to NAIC it just didn't fit with what i had at all
shadow wind
Volc is so hit or miss I feel
It's either the goat of the team or you replace it within 3 games of testing
molten oasis
it was all miss for me it just didn't do anything lol
shadow wind
Bro got rid of my tailwind 😭
molten oasis
didn't the zama goltres team that won that 1 tournament have tailwind?
shadow wind
I don't think so
molten oasis
i thought it did i ran into it the other day
shadow wind
ember linden
Bro got rid of my tailwind 😭
Air slash slot is up in the air I can’t put slashes with taunt and tailwind like I wanted
ember linden
didn't the zama goltres team that won that 1 tournament have tailwind?
It had taunt
Also that Zama ev spread is so dog
shadow wind
It was also tera dark black glasses
molten oasis
it DID have tailwind
ember linden
Different team goofball
shadow wind
Ahh different one
ember linden
Somebody lied in the rental then ig
Whatever air slash slot is still 100% up to you
molten oasis
seems so lol
shadow wind
I think I'm gonna keep using my version but if it's failing I'll shift
ember linden
Okayyy
shadow wind
I think I insta lose to non specs Miraidons
molten oasis
who tf is runnign non specs miraidon
ember linden
Nobody
shadow wind
The calm minders
ember linden
Non-existent
lofty tartan
shadow wind
They always catch me off guard
molten oasis
better question who is running CALM MIND miraidon
ember linden
Not worth doing all that much to fix the mu unless it picks up you’re playing cts bo1
molten oasis
people playing calm mind ig, oookay
lofty tartan
At least 3.6% are on Calm Mind apparently
molten oasis
bro ran into the 3%
ember linden
Yeahh no
lofty tartan
For sure
shadow wind
How do I run into 2 in a row man
lofty tartan
Lucky duck
shadow wind
They heard me say the MU was bad
ember linden
Also why are you on about miraidon if you’re playing Groudon
molten oasis
you explode to draco
shadow wind
DRACO METEOR
ember linden
You can run enough speed investment to outspeed mirai at minus one and ohko
molten oasis
you can be good into it from the electric standpoint doesnt change the fact draco is a super nuke button lol
ember linden
Draco I’m aware dude
shadow wind
They usually tera fairy anyway
ember linden
Then you’re getting damage, you have partners
molten oasis
whimsi mirai is a pretty standard lead as well
ember linden
cough wake
molten oasis
so its not like the icy wind is gonna do all that much at times
ember linden
Lord
shadow wind
Man what the frick
shadow wind
And what play the 50/50 of if they want to volt switch the flutter or draco meteor the Groudon
molten oasis
does flutter die to that?
lofty tartan
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Flutter Mane in Electric Terrain: 135-160 (85.9 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
shadow wind
Dude it's 85% not frickin 20
lofty tartan
Depending on the bulk 🤷
molten oasis
are they both 110? thats even worse
shadow wind
Nope just Kyogre's
molten oasis
oh, interesting
lofty tartan
Because his weather boosts his and sun doesn't boost PBlades
lofty tartan
So typically you'll have the stab and rain boost. Rain is more than stab
shadow wind
I have not hit a single will o wisp
molten oasis
just one of those days
shadow wind
Dude it's every day
molten oasis
lofty tartan
Start calling yourself Aaron Zheng 
molten oasis
real
shadow wind
My luck has not been good since I looked at Groudon
ember linden
Groudon Flutter should always be your lead into Mirai Whims
Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Heat Crash
- Bulk Up
- Protect