competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

i'll use the farig miraidon then

[lofty tartan]

But I will say this - Regionals and ladder play are vastly different, and you could end up running very hot any day of the week. There's a lot of variance in this game, but you don't see a lot of whacky gameplans at a Regional-level event.

Hopping around from team to team won't help you, it'll just make you less comfortable D:

Relearning lines and calcs every time you hop off - it gets to be a big time sink

[cyan smelt]

well perth is reg h not g, i only have to worry about a good reg g team for brisbane next year

[lofty tartan]

So you're going to Perth?

[cyan smelt]

i still dunno, it's a long trip to get there and it'll be expensive and i'll be alone

[lofty tartan]

People you know from the vgc scene may be there too. I'm going with my roommate, but it's because my wife is insistent that I have backup lol

But I'm meeting up with people in Toronto, hopefully xD

Traveling and competing is a really big adrenaline rush. It's fun.

[cyan smelt]

i need to get to know more people because i feel like i'd get better if i did that and picked some peoples's brains, there's only so many youtube videos you can watch

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but think tanks only go so far. It comes down to playing out your matchups and putting things to memory.

Like get used to it - where it's less stressfully wracking your brain and more instinct. Gut instinct goes a long way.

My next week and a half is all gonna be playing my matchups out over and over so that I'm comfortable going into a majority of the field

Balancing work, parenting, and vgc is like juggling xD

[cyan smelt]

maybe i should practice some bo3 with connor's team and ignore reg g for now

[lofty tartan]

I'm ignoring Reg G until after Toronto.

There's plenty of time. No need to go in early for it. xD

[cyan smelt]

i'll take a break until the afternoon tomorrow and then if i'm still not feeling it after playing some bo3 i'll cancel

that bieiup person is already up to mid 1200s

[lofty tartan]

You've got a lot of time between then and now; basing that off some ladder games seems like a huge undersell

But that's just me - it's your money and your peace of mind, after all

[cyan smelt]

i don't have the funds for it, leeching off parents, i'd feel bad wasting their money

[lofty tartan]

Regionals is a huge, fun experience, and I think people should at least attempt it - but not everyone is gonna win their first Regional, and that's okay.

[lofty tartan]

This is entirely fair, though I'm not supporting the idea that you're leeching. Parents do love their children lol

If my child was a fledgling adult and needed me still, I'd be there, and I'm not an especially great parent, I feel lol

[cyan smelt]

parenting is a tough, unrewarding gig

[lofty tartan]

She can live with me as long as she wants, though

Oh no, there's plenty of reward. Children return your effort with love 😄

[cyan smelt]

i want to move out but atm i don't have the means to support myself

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, I think your parents probably understand that.

Don't be so hard on yourself

[cyan smelt]

my confidence is pretty low atm

[lofty tartan]

I get that. It's tough.

[cyan smelt]

i just hope that once i'm off this medication things will improve but that's not for a few weeks

[lofty tartan]

I was starting to get like that recently and almost canceled my own trip but I'm strung for like 800 dollars between a passport and a plane ticket so TOO DEEP NOW

[plain drum]

Oopsie

[lofty tartan]

Nah it's good. I pulled the plane up xD

No more nosedives lol

[cyan smelt]

it's way more expensive than that for travel and hotel for the regional

[lofty tartan]

Toronto is gonna be a blast, no matter how I do.

Plus I'll have ~30% more money there so heeeeeeeey

King of the peeeeeeeerch

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the Regional is easy. It's travel, stay, food, etc that kills

Going to a bar? Better have cash.

[cyan smelt]

for some reason oceania only has two regionals now, i swear we used to have 3 + OCIC

[lofty tartan]

Like a typical Regionals trip is not unreasonable to be over a thousand dollars in the US

[cyan smelt]

it's gonna be more than 2000 aud for the regional

[lofty tartan]

After I pay my half of the condo I'll be in for like 1100 USD

[cyan smelt]

approx 1296 usd

[lofty tartan]

Yeah see it's not cheap. But travel can be strategized too - not all airports price equally

If you book stays early, you can get it before it gets expensive, and you can get a good place. I'm like a block from the venue

[real prairie]

Im thinking Hawlucha as a Terapagos counter, thoughts?
mold breaker fighting stab

[lofty tartan]

Brian Hands

[cyan smelt]

yeah i realise now i should have booked like as soon as it was announced

[lofty tartan]

That's what I did.

I locked a slightly more expensive place than some others at the time, but I also didn't have to pay until December 5th

So I was able to lock everything else early and build up savings before I actually had to pay for my stay, and in that time they removed the tourism fee, and I got a black Friday discount

[cyan smelt]

man i wish i was that organised

[lofty tartan]

I used to trek across the country alone

Just like... randomly.

[cyan smelt]

i don't think i'm gonna go to perth, i think i'll just wait until brisbane instead, by march my medication should be sorted

[lone spindle]

Who is a better dragon to pair with Garchomp: Hydra or Dragapult. I’m trying to optimize a balance team that has a double dragon fairy steel core

[dense latch]

hydreigon is nice for the levitate + eq synergy

[cyan smelt]

is it hydrapple or hydreigon?

[dense latch]

i hope it's hydreigon

i didnt even consider hydrapple lmao

[lofty tartan]

Poor Hydrapple.

[lone spindle]

No not the Apple lol

I really like the speed of Dragapult lol

[mighty stump]

Chomp + EQ immunity either Dnite or Hydreigon is the correct answer.

[lean wind]

Me when i did not win a single set in Bo3 Reg G:

[foggy lodge]

lol

Im starting to beat Weezing Galar lets goo

[cyan smelt]

torrent you should dm the mods to get your roles back

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2255142923-f8agsnzfdf772hdpgtz4ni7i9f7xgi6pw

[lean wind]

i mean i did beat the CIR Bo3 Set

[plain drum]

Uh oh what happened to Torrent

[lean wind]

@tranquil kraken Hoi mind if you give me back my roles from my old Acc to new one

[lean wind]

My old acc is hacked so yeah

[plain drum]

Shiny Victini offer was too good 😔

[mighty stump]

Don't do it Ili

[lean wind]

but its just only the discord account got hacked but anything is fine

[cyan smelt]

that's why i have DMs and random friend requests off

[lean wind]

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/gamer-gif-20482851

[tranquil kraken]

Yeah sure give me like 15-20 min eating rn

[lean wind]

thank you

[gentle crag]

morrispxg has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast

[chrome knot]

turns you into bunny

[tranquil kraken]

bnnuy

[lean wind]

bnnuy

[dense latch]

bnnuy

[tranquil kraken]

check dms

[plain drum]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-bnuuy-steals-your-bunny-steals-your-bnuuy-gif-26209043

[chrome knot]

give it back :(

[lean wind]

Me back now

[dense latch]

nice

sorry for the hack that sucks

[lean wind]

yeah but its just the Discord that got affected

anything else is fine rn

[foggy lodge]

1200 bo3 les go

1300 next goal

Until 1500

[real prairie]

Any help with this team? Its doing okay, but any improvements are appreciated, im not glued to any mons and open to hear replacements on moves/mons/teras etc. My only stipulation is keeping Ludicolo https://pokepast.es/cb635efab6bb0bfb

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/fc5e17bf605f6896
Any ideas on last 2 slots? Kinda just building team rn haven't tried yet

[dense latch]

i could see chi yu work here if you're willing to change to a different ogerpon

i've seen grimm and pagos being used together that might be worth considering

[drowsy comet]

Why is iron hands even that good?

Doesn’t really seem that good on paper

Oh yeah and what are some good partners for moraidon

[dense latch]

insane bulk + insane damage output

very difficult to remove with av + drain punch recovery, gets even stronger next to miraidon or booster energy

[chrome knot]

ludicolo will stop this team from being decent & gambit isnt that great in reg g due to abnormal amount of fighting/fire/ground types

[bold geode]

Didn't Joe try it with Miraidon?

[lean wind]

H a n d s

[dense latch]

^ arguably the best lmao

[drowsy comet]

Lmaooo

Alright

[real prairie]

Ludicolo is my only Stipulation lol he's staying, Gambit is fair, was using it as a hard counter to Calyrex-Shadow

[lean wind]

i would say Fari or Fire Pon(Beats Rilla)

but Hands is the best Paradox

for Mirai

[dense latch]

yeah fair

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2255234076-z28m8d9ihqhfn109v9c8t4tqtc71zq2pw

Average Calyrex player forfeiting after their Restricted goes down(They got greedy)

[solid frigate]

I AM BACK

[shadow wind]

Bro is so back

[solid frigate]

@tranquil kraken remove my premier ball role pls

[mint void]

u are cooked tho if they cant restore your EXP in level bot

[tranquil kraken]

Your wish is my command

[solid frigate]

well its answered

[tranquil kraken]

it doesnt wipe upon leaving the server so all is back :)

[timber falcon]

anyone know the name of the website where you enter the mons in your team and it shows the weaknesses?

[shadow wind]

Marrilland team building

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/en/

[timber falcon]

thanks

any thoughts on bronzong steel type move? stuck on iron head or gyro ball

[shadow wind]

Depends what you’re using him for

[rustic mountain]

reg g mid

i miss 10+ turn games

[shadow wind]

Just play stall

🧠 🧠 🧠

[plain drum]

[rustic mountain]

ew

i did play the wo chien/grimm/kyogre team that was solid early format that was fun but the team isnt really stall

[timber falcon]

Half TR answer, Zama and caly-i

body press set

no way ive been team building for an hour

this team better work

[placid mist]

on talonflame should I use my last slot for a fire move, will-o-wisp, or Protect

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2255313768

[rustic mountain]

"what is happening" my thoughts exactly

idk if thats the example u wanna go w/ for a 10 turn game lmao

also was speaking more generally not that it doesnt happen

[molten oasis]

Go play reg h for the month lol

[rustic mountain]

yea i jus caved and did some reg g stuff got to 1300s

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

i love 10xx ladder

pissed myself when cir revealed idbp & tera dark

[rustic mountain]

what is happening is a perfect encapsulation of low ladder

[chrome knot]

certainly a game of all time

[timber falcon]

i was actually befuddled

took me like 5 turns to realise i should be killing the fairies

[chrome knot]

took you THAT long ??

[rustic mountain]

a match was definitely played

[chrome knot]

online players are doomed

[rustic mountain]

plenty of really good ladder warriors

[chrome knot]

sapphire

shes extremely good but doesn’t do irl events

idk who else is strictly an online player

[craggy dagger]

:((((((((((

[timber falcon]

the CIR started using iron defence, i was busy looking for a zoroak or something

[chrome knot]

is Zoroark in the room with us…?

[chrome knot]

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[chrome knot]

ok HOW i literally laughed at her

[timber falcon]

My brain was turned off, for at least 3 turns I was looking for one

[chrome knot]

yike

[molten oasis]

Brother wut

[plain drum]

Did they find it

[molten oasis]

His brain? I doubt it

[plain drum]

Oop

[molten oasis]

Damn I just hit 1200 and called it lol

Although it didn’t take me long, and the team I got is doing ok

[bold geode]

Aight boys time to take another crack at the ladder
(Or put something together and try later)

[torn parrot]

Byagagagagaga

[rustic mountain]

yea id have to look more closely to get actual names i was jus speaking moreso from seeing it throughout the years of ppl doin well on ladder (#1 really high elo on both sd or cart). i dont think being online is inherently bad, lot of ppl who cant afford events, dont have them in their area or even that close at all. plus even just cts being what the games been for so long before gen 9 and bo1 is still relevant in a few circuits for qualifiers. i think the attitude of unless ur doin irls u cant be good isnt really fair

[rustic mountain]

benefit of ladder still being where it is

[dusty robin]

So I have a Sweeper Team and my Strategie is Backwind. How do I Play a Sweeper Team?

[rustic mountain]

tailwind?

[dusty robin]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

i mean at its core ur just putting ur strong mons in positions that can output big damage and either chunk things or ko them. point of hyper offense is to overwhelm ur opponent w/ it that they cant freely switch/do much in return to u

nd u stuff like tailwind to enable said mons to get speed control to do that more effectively

[dusty robin]

Phew sounds hard..

[chrome knot]

85% of high ladder are irl players asw, being online only isn’t a bad thing for said reasons that cause a generalization to be “unfair” but i also believe you will see a increase in skill level from players who want to learn more about the irl scene in general

[dusty robin]

I Fight against a friend and can't kill one Pokemon xD

[rustic mountain]

yea i dont disagree w/ that

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/d10315c82caddbb9
I made this cuz imma just go back to Zamazenta after thinking lol
Do you think I probably should fit like Grimm over Flutter for screens for a little more defense or is the all out offense fine for this kinda thing

[chrome knot]

im also big believer that bo1cts should be cut from all circuits of play

[rustic mountain]

i think its more just the generalization where its an issue for me, lots of great players got their start from strictly online play, especially the swsh era

and still players who remain online only and would prolly kill it if they went to a regional

[dusty robin]

@rustic mountain If you want we can Fight so you can Help better or give some tips

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e63d75e11f4e31e5 thoughts?

[bold geode]

See idgaf about the GCs tbh but like
It is shitty that Japan based their Worlds qualification off of it

[dusty robin]

I really need help without switching my Team. They're my favourites

[rustic mountain]

im good rn we have #1046572041421197352, also showdown ladder and cart ladder is there fr practice.

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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[rustic mountain]

also a plethora of resources u can utilize to help u better understand whats going on, vgc has a big learning curve

[chrome knot]

obviously, Justin Tang, Nicholas Morales, theres a ton that come from online play that sought out the in person scene to make their mark

[dusty robin]

Alr then I will Look thx

[chrome knot]

sapphire would win a regional on her first try yes

[chrome knot]

yeah its kinda awful

[rustic mountain]

so online players are doomed is an extreme generalization that not only ignores those examples but makes it seem like online play is just lesser when its literally the foundation to get to the point of competing irl if u so choose. and whether or not u agree w/ it as a qualifying option, still is for multiple circuits. nd also where else r u practicing? unless u jus only do locals which is insane

i jus dislike blanket statements even if thats not wat the person meant exactly

i appreciate both bo1 and bo3 for what they are. different ways u gta approach em even if at the core ur playing the same game

[bold geode]

Like I know some old heads would probably shit on me cuz it was that way before Gen 9 but tera can allow for some wacky bs and is kinda a bit more volatile
Plus like for new Japan players who happen to get into Worlds like
Hope you practiced OTS instead of just using those wacky CTS shenanigans for Worlds cuz the wacky CTS shenanigans is probably not gonna work

[chrome knot]

idt it should determine qualifying vs not, as gcs are literally mandatory this yr and thats kinda aids

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean that i can definitely understand but thats more the nuance of the qualification changes they made, not exactly all on bo1 itself

[chrome knot]

yeah no i agree its just an ugly side effect

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Yeah what's the BFL on that shit again

[chrome knot]

3

and they shit out points

[bold geode]

Eh not as bad as I thought
But still like
With the way the circuit is now it's a weird thing
But like at least even though you gotta do them, at least you still got OTS events

[rustic mountain]

the changes seem both good and bad depending on what side ur lookin on, ik a lot of players prefer the asymmetrical top cut and others that hate it

[bold geode]

I just think it's odd how NA uses OTS
LatAm uses OTS
EU uses OTS
Oceania uses OTS
Yet for some reason Japan and some other Asian countries gotta stick with CTS

[rustic mountain]

not sure exactly

japanese players still be killing it in bo3 so its definitely not hurting them

does make the bo1 qualifying aspect more frustrating tho id imagine given certain situations

[bold geode]

Oh yeah they're just fuckin cracked so not like it matters but like
Y lmao
Just give em OTS

[rustic mountain]

u had south korean players protest their circuit nd they got banned for it

im not sure what they can do even if they wanted it

[bold geode]

Yeah I guess they just like excluding that part of the world

[rustic mountain]

i think its tpc vs tpci stuff

different jurisdiction and what not

[bold geode]

So you're telling me there's a company that does worse than TPCi in the circuit

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Actually hot take

I think the player limit is like

Somewhat fine

However like
The way they're going about everything else is so ass

[molten oasis]

My message got buried huh

[rustic mountain]

out of all the changes thats the one im most ok w/

[bold geode]

Yeah like it makes getting to Worlds a little less accessible but like

1. If they did that and changed nothing else, then other events from locals to internats would still have been pretty accessible and you get those experiences still
2. Makes shit a bit more competitive imo
   Like bitch you say you wanna be the best, ok time to prove it mfer

Also I think the whole argument of "but the guys who go to every regional is at an advantage" is like half right and half stupid cuz sure they might have more chances but who says they do good at all of them and also like
I bet when you say that, you can think of at least 1 person that went to almost every event in a region if not all of em last season

[lofty tartan]

But a good deal of that "best" relies strictly on money available to attend big events, and how many needed to attend.

Not just as easy as skill differences, man.

[bold geode]

So like even before they made this change there were STILL people who did that and still technically had an advantage due to having more shots at CP
So like what makes you think "oh hey they wouldn't do this if they didn't make this change"

[bold geode]

Yeah sure I'm just saying as far as at least experiences, don't change much
But I do think them changing locals and like being fuckin HORRIBLE at announcing event locations is dog shit

[lofty tartan]

It's more that people who can afford to attend every Regional have a distinct advantage, not that the people who go to a lot have an advantage. All Regionals, or even a vast majority, is something financially unreasonable for most players.

Hurting locals forces people to attend more big events.

That's good for TCPI in the short run of things.

[bold geode]

Yeah that's the part that I don't like tbh

[lofty tartan]

So think of it like this - you remove a lot of CP payouts for locals, apply a BFL, and force people to attend Regionals, but they were people who had to rely on finalizing qualifications through Locals, so they're disadvantaged vs the people who attend all events - see also: pay to play

🤷

Like I said, it's good for TCPI in the short run of things, but it remains to be seen how sustainable it is for players, especially when the "prize" of a Worlds invite has been sort of eroded at.

My area JUST got CP payout locals - now that S/V is nearing the end of its lifespan, and that took a bit of effort.

Other areas are not nearly as lucky.

[next stump]

it’s really sad that they diminished the benefits of locals in multiple ways

[lofty tartan]

Like yesterday was the literal first one xD

[bold geode]

Yeah like it's really just like
Limiting number of qualifiers is a bit of a step back, but it's probably a step they could've MAYBE afforded
But then they went too deep, tried to see how many times they could poke the bear before getting mauled, and now we have the problems of this season

[next stump]

IMO you should be able to earn close to 50% of an invite from local tournaments if you max your BFLs

I bet the CP bar will end around 900-1000 for worlds, so maxing your locals will be (60 + 200) maybe 30% of an invite?

[lofty tartan]

A bit of a step? It's huge. I just piped up because it's not about making stuff more competitive or not, or "being the best" and proving it, but having event accessibility, which is something TCPI appears to not like

[bold geode]

Oh yeah like if they were gonna put limit on qualifiers, they should've just put the limit on and just left other shit alone

[next stump]

and the counterargument then is “well GCs have a higher impact so maxing locals + having 3 strong GCs is like 75% of an invite” which is fair but come onnnnnnn bo1 CTS should not hold more weight than in person battling another player at an official tournament, even if it’s a loval

local*

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ba256588775686ef did some tweaking of the team, how dows it look?

[lofty tartan]

Like I think before TCPI keeps claiming "everyone can be a champ", they should address event accessibility, for sure.

[lofty tartan]

Agree.

[bold geode]

The amount of GCs going up kinda feels like the shittiest way to counteract the mistakes

Cuz it don't work

[lofty tartan]

And you've got a BFL on GCs too

[chrome knot]

player limit is fine it keeps it competitive

[next stump]

most money conscious players have 1-2 regionals they can reasonably attend. The old system was great because it allowed for maxing locals (even if you have to drive 2-3 hours for a local, at least you’re not spending crazy money on flights + hotel) and having a strong performance at your 1-2 regionals to be enough for worlds

[chrome knot]

i don’t typically agree that ur day to day 5-3er should be at worlds to be fair

[lofty tartan]

"Keeping it competitive" shouldn't have to be enforced by player limits.

It's Worlds - literally everyone present has qualified. It's already competitive.

[next stump]

nowadays you will probably need maxed locals, 3-4 strong regionals, and a decent to strong IC to attend worlds

[lofty tartan]

Everyone there will be at least a good player.

[bold geode]

I mean it's kinda different
You've told me how your area don't really got anything
And my argument kinda coming from a guy in Texas
Like realistically if I actually went to stuff, I could've went to like 5 locals by now

[timber falcon]

anyone ?

[lofty tartan]

What's the point that you're making there, though? Lol

You said it's kinda different and then didn't actually produce a point. Just that some areas have locals and some don't lol

[bold geode]

Well just saying it's kinda like
You see the point of accessibility issues more than I do

[lofty tartan]

Like being able to go to multiple locals isn't the problem lol it's reducing the impact that locals have for players that may only be able to financially attend a handful of Regionals a year.

[chrome knot]

problem is if 500cp just lets your very average player cross the bar

[bold geode]

Yeah I think that kinda just eh
Once again just put the fuckin limit on and just don't mess with the other shit

And that's where I think they fucked up

[lofty tartan]

Paying for Regionals isn't an issue - anyone can pay for a Regionals, but some players are in an area far removed from any Regionals, they have a greater financial burden and cannot attend as many Regionals as someone who can afford to play in one region of the US one week and fly to Germany the next weekend.

[lofty tartan]

That sounds awfully gatekeepy, now.

If a player achieves 500cp or 750cp and crossed a qualifying threshold, they've qualified and I don't think we should be making arguments scrutinizing the worth of a player being there post-qualification.

[next stump]

If my guess of 900CP for NA worlds 75th place is correct (right now 75th place is 387 points and we’ve only had 3 months of events…), that means realistically you’d need:

• Maxed locals (260 CP)
• Three day 2’s (roughly +300CP depending on player counts)
• One strong IC (+120CP)
• 3 strong GC’s (+240CP for 3 top 64s)

All of that adds up to 920CP, which IMO will squeak you in if you get lucky with the breakpoints. I think that’s a huge burden on your typical above average player who should qualify into Worlds. IDK what my main point is but I just wish the bar was either concrete (like just tell us we need 1000CP to qualify) or slightly larger, like 125 players. And I’m saying as somebody who ended last season at like 50th place overall in NA

[bold geode]

I mean the financial part is kind of a thing with things like that that you'd do
But I also think the thing about announcing events a little later is awful cuz like I think what's worse than knowing you can't afford to go to an event is knowing that there COULD be an event you could actually afford be announced in the future but not be able to do it because they announced it too late and you don't have enough time to make the necessary arrangements

[lofty tartan]

Your first sentence hurt my brain, Monke - ngl

[next stump]

I loved last season because I knew exactly how many events I needed to attend and how well I needed to do on average to get my invite. If I did poorly at an event (i.e. LA where I dropped), I had to supplement with another regional or better locals finishes

[bold geode]

Was it the point I made there or just the awful ass grammar

[lofty tartan]

It was basically word vomit lmfao I mean that in the most neutral manner

[next stump]

this season takes the pressure and FOMO from the stipend race (top 8 players get a stipend depending on their CP earned during a specific time frame) and applies it to ALL players who want to try for worlds

[lofty tartan]

"the financial part is kind of a thing with things like that, that you'd do" -- excuse me, what?

[bold geode]

Lmao yeah tbh like reading it again I was like "this sounds bad just cuz how I said it

[molten oasis]

?

[bold geode]

But like if you went to an event for another thing or went to something else like that which would require money then it's kinda like
Yeah with other things like these events you of course have to take finances into account, but just the fact that there's even less things to put those finances towards if even possible and other things that should already be announced

[lofty tartan]

My biggest point of contention, really, is that pokemon company seems to have a desire to drum up interest in events and attendance as much as they can, while limiting accessibility and making decisions that hurt players less fortunate than to have the ability to travel an exorbitant amount chasing CP.

But like big Regionals with lots of players is a lot of easy money for TCPI and Worlds just doesn't really generate a ton of of revenue

[bold geode]

I mean thats something too
I think at Sacramento they were like "scan this barcode to find local events near you" or something and I was like "hmm I wonder how many mfers gonna scan this bitch and go to an empty page"

And then once again you got Japan who like
Got Japan Nats and is there anything else?

But yeah like
At the end of the day that's just my opinion and I know people ain't gonna agree

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

yeah i think we know who would

[next stump]

I wish America had Europe/Japan’s transit system and I could reasonably attend a regional in Louisville by taking a 3 hour train

life would be so amazing

I am jealous of those European players who can train to like 4-5 regionals per year

[molten oasis]

Anyone?

[solid frigate]

thats European Union doing these Travel Area is kinda good

[bold geode]

Is it like those super fast trains that go underground or whatever

[tranquil kraken]

Also generally way shorter travel times

But yeah the train system is getter better and better, depending on where you want to go.

[solid frigate]

yep agreed

[tranquil kraken]

GoFest London was a 35 minute flight lol

Probably visiting my first regional next year too, since it's a 30 minute drive from where I live 👀

[spiral ridge]

Ooo have fun

Mine was I bought so much shit hehehe

[solid frigate]

Wait

Birmingham??? I'LL SEE YOU THERE LOL

[rustic mountain]

honestly like, that should be the bare minimum. worlds is meant to be exclusive for the best of the best, not saying every change they made is perfect for the top 75 cp but atleast ur making it so only people doing extremely well over the course of a szn get that prestigious invite. sure the barrier of entry can be difficult but vgc was always a $$$ esport if u didnt have money to travel and compete beforehand, this doesnt really change that other then making it less important for peoples local grinds which are cool to have but shouldnt of been supplementing the cp it did for people to qualify, it was kinda cheesy

[tranquil kraken]

Nope, Utrecht

When's Birmingham?

[solid frigate]

literally Next Year Jan 18th

[rustic mountain]

its like a month away ahah

[tranquil kraken]

ahhh

[rustic mountain]

"see you next year" on dec 31st headass

[tranquil kraken]

😭

[solid frigate]

I'm preping and why i won against 2 Set of CIR but lose to everything else lmao

[rustic mountain]

lmao damn

[solid frigate]

AND I AM USING MIRAIDON LOL

[rustic mountain]

def something u gta figure out, u doing turtle?

[solid frigate]

Mirai

[rustic mountain]

oh damn haha yea idk then the mu is kinda weird its not completely favored to the mirai imo

more 50/50 and the player dictates where it leans more

[solid frigate]

and idk how i won against two of the CIR

One even has Rillaboom

[tranquil kraken]

If tickets were cheaper I would've gone to Brum too

But €120 for two days a bit too much :(

[solid frigate]

yeah its too much

[rustic mountain]

they dont offer enough for spectators to charge that

[tranquil kraken]

That's for flights I mean

[rustic mountain]

ohhhh

[tranquil kraken]

Then add hotel + entry

[rustic mountain]

oh for sure i didnt know if spectator passes were different just assumed but it def adds up

[rustic mountain]

what if they had a special shiny terapagos only for people who attended?

[solid frigate]

I NEED IT

[chrome knot]

lmfao

[rustic mountain]

lmao ik ud go for that

[chrome knot]

bring back vgc hats

[tranquil kraken]

Spectator passes is 10 quid

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna Radical Highway them ass to get the Shiny Pagos

[tranquil kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/asta-hsr-honkai-star-rail-credit-card-meme-take-my-money-gif-18368285094954847310

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Perfect Asta Moment

[tranquil kraken]

Either way, I had loads of fun in Birmingham when I went last May, great city

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

glad you like it

[rustic mountain]

thats where peaky blinders takes place

great show

[solid frigate]

kek

[tranquil kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/impressed-brum-brum-brum-emotional-car-humanoid-car-gif-25926441

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/e63d75e11f4e31e5

https://tenor.com/view/once-again-asking-gif-18234786473894858127

[timber falcon]

why does miraidon exist

it doesnt need electric terrain

[timber falcon]

looks generic, any explanations or combinations you hsve in mind?

[pallid hare]

because some guy in the future thought the idea of a floating cyclizar was cool

[molten oasis]

GENERIC

[timber falcon]

i hope people who use specs miraidon have nightmares

[timber falcon]

by that i mean meta mons btw

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/lying-hipster-darwin-gumball-cartoon-gif-16178589

[timber falcon]

with the usual sets

[molten oasis]

(I’m kidding)

I figured wellspring pao Zac would make for a good core and had the other 3 cover mu’s I could be weak to

[timber falcon]

how does miraidon look

against ur team

[knotty mirage]

I think i prefer to use scarf bulky miraidon i get more consistent win by it

[timber falcon]

fair enough

its just i tryna use kyogre so

[molten oasis]

Zac pao pressures it

Lando and bolt help

[shadow wind]

Man

That 9 elo gap from 15th to 14th is steep

[rustic mountain]

get ur elo up bruh

[maiden elk]

What would be a good move set for a reckless emboar

So far I have wild charge, flare blitz for reckless choices

Also having a little meme on it too. Loaded dice arm thrust. Just for lols. Im not good at making type coverages. I don’t battle super competitively

[shadow wind]

The Calyrex MU is hard 😔😔

[cyan smelt]

I don't get why I'm struggling with the team that I did so well with in reg g part 1

[knotty mirage]

Maybe because you don't play that team for good amount of while

[shadow wind]

The ladder is really condensed right now

So currently it’s going to be very hard to climb anywhere

[cyan smelt]

I think I'll just stick to reg h for now

[shadow wind]

I have dropped Reg H, I’m singing high prayers now that it’s gone

[cyan smelt]

I already hate reg g and calyrex

[knotty mirage]

I mean hey if you can't beat them join them use the caly

[shadow wind]

Like a disease

It spreads more and more every day

I must find the cure for this

[cyan smelt]

There's no cure

[shadow wind]

No more Tera is the cure

[cyan smelt]

I played a dozo caly s team

[shadow wind]

Like against it?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Yeah they suck

Tera ghost specs with helping hand usually into Dozo

[cyan smelt]

I managed to beat it but probably because it wasn't piloted well, think it had weezing too

[craggy dagger]

How to play Zekrom 101

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2255483492

-# spoiler alert, you don’t

[cyan smelt]

I'm honestly tempted to use horoark to deal with the caly s crap

[bold geode]

Nah

[knotty mirage]

Maybe you can try using booster energy fluttermane or sash fluttermane prolly better than using horoark

[craggy dagger]

trick room

[cyan smelt]

Then I have to deal with caly I and after you clefairy astral barrage

[knotty mirage]

What restricted mon you use anyway ?

[cyan smelt]

Zama

[mint void]

1st Miraidon made sad
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2255517178

[knotty mirage]

Hmm you have wide guard right

[shadow wind]

Turn 3 I bet a sucker punch + CC would’ve killed Miraidon

[mint void]

Idk. Dont have many games on the team and havent done calcs yet.

So idk my dmg. Mainly wanna figure out if the team works for me like that

[shadow wind]

Fair

[solid frigate]

there is a application in Showdown called Showdex which if you enter a battle it would show you how much damage does it do on most occassions

but you have to download it manually

[mint void]

Thats kinda cheating no?

But eh. Cool ahit will help to get to know the ream fast. Does it work on mobile? Im chilling in bed rn?

[shadow wind]

How would that be cheating?

It doesn’t show their evs or anything

[mint void]

@solid frigate it doesnt.

Work on mobile browser

[solid frigate]

ok then its only on PC Browser

[mint void]

I can download but it doesnt do anything here. Eh will aee tmrw

[chrome knot]

its an on hand calculator that predicts damage rolls based on common spreads from the nerdofnow vgc calculator

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/812410f4c5161c06 hm

[mint void]

@molten oasis if u make kyuren worm lmk

Gen5 is my fav and Id love to win with one of them once

[dull ibex]

You can't really cheat in vgc

[solid frigate]

he did that in wave 1 lol

[cyan smelt]

I hate calyrex but can't use kingambit because of iron hands

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-pokemon-taunt-gif-12966370767754350438

[cyan smelt]

Oh yeah that

Think I might skip this reg if caly s is gonna be everywhere

[mint void]

Cool..now take the kyurem out

Man there are so many cool mons.

Im either gonna end up with CalyS or with Zama

[craggy dagger]

[cyan smelt]

I might try koraidon sun with chi yu to just nuke everything

[solid frigate]

actually

not that much Caly S teams when i doing B03s

but then again idk

[chrome knot]

scream tail is in my builder

[foggy lodge]

Hell yeah Scream Tail is cool

[foggy lodge]

Im getting all the CalyDows that you are not getting

6 CalyDow Geezing already🥹🥹

[solid frigate]

B r u h

[foggy lodge]

And now with Indeedee-F

[solid frigate]

I need more MU against CSR

[foggy lodge]

And like

Yeah i could get rid of the terrain with Miraidon

Assuming Miraidon can take choice specs astral barrage lol

Maybe i should just play the Iron Hands Farigiraf gameplan against that

[solid frigate]

i haven't checked yet

252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 162-192 (92.5 - 109.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Well BARELY/

[foggy lodge]

spoiler it does not take it well

[foggy lodge]

nah i play with some investment in bulk

My evs are different from Luca's evs

[solid frigate]

fair i just run Max Max Min

[foggy lodge]

Not that much but there are some changes

[next stump]

last big Reg G tournament, NAIC, had 14.4% Caly-S usage

and it had a little under 51% winrate

[solid frigate]

thats....

Lower than i expected honestly

[chrome knot]

im using caly s this time🙏

[molten oasis]

I’m doing it again probably

[solid frigate]

PTSD Coming again

[molten oasis]

[cyan smelt]

What about caly i

[placid mist]

Should Miraidon be Modest or timid does it even matter with tailwind

[foggy lodge]

I don't like Miraidon timid

Id go modest

Still play it with speed investment, it needs to outspeed things by its own

[solid frigate]

i'd go for Modest

And yes it still does matter in TW

and for Miraidon Tailroom Team i think Modest is better cuz even if you are in a TR with Both Miraidons,Modest Mirai would always go first

At least thats my thought process

[foggy lodge]

i mean most Miraidon are tailroom

And tbh if you have both Miraidon in trick room kinda cooked

[solid frigate]

its more like specfic situations

[foggy lodge]

ive only used my Miraidon in trick room against Caly Shadow

Modest also may be important in that cuz some Caly Shadow drop speed for bulk

Sitrus berry sets for example

[solid frigate]

yeah

and also at least i would know i will not win speed tie and think of different game plans if i face against timid miraidon

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/professorragna/status/1863356183807168965

Professor Ragna (@professorragna) on X

when you lose the endgame because you missed High Horsepower

Twitter · Dec 1, 2024, 10:55 PM

[solid frigate]

P.S.:Only apply to Rillaboom,Never seen CIR missing a HH

[shadow wind]

Why use HH on Rilla? Just use Pblades

😔

[molten oasis]

You mean precimiss blades

[cyan smelt]

Groudon sucks

[shadow wind]

Wow

That's blunt

[solid frigate]

Precimiss kek

[molten oasis]

Well I don’t think it sucks

it’s not dialga

Or mewtwo

[solid frigate]

its outclassed by Koraidon,and relying Groudon to do the heavy Lifting is hard

[shadow wind]

Is it outclassed by Koraidon?

[molten oasis]

Purely as a sun setter yes

[solid frigate]

at least Dialga isn't as bad as C Tier mons

[molten oasis]

Imo, but they do different things

[solid frigate]

at least Koraidon can do more heavy Lifting ig

[shadow wind]

I would rather have an 85% chance to hit my move than need to win a 50/50 speed tie with Miraidon

Or Flutter

[solid frigate]

isn't Koraidon always Jolly?

[molten oasis]

I’d rather know my attack is gonna hit my opponent

[solid frigate]

Drago has PTSD over it when playing Zacian

And yes i agree-

[shadow wind]

Agree to disagree then I guess

[solid frigate]

like tbf

Groudon is still good,its just

This is single restricted

in Double Restricted Groudon would be better

[shadow wind]

This is true

With Lunala I would say

Wide guard gaming

[solid frigate]

then again so does Kyogre since if Groudon was benefit from Double Restricted,so does Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Scale miss honestly felt worse

[solid frigate]

i felt that don't worry lol

[molten oasis]

Fckn hate scale shot

[solid frigate]

there's a reason i depise Scale shot Dragonite and Garchomp(Singles)

not reliable at all

for me at least

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna be messing with Kyurem for a bit

Maybe if I can figure out what I need for it

[solid frigate]

cool

[shadow wind]

I wish Gouging fire got will o wisp

[craggy dagger]

lunala ftwwwww

[shadow wind]

I think Gouging is my favourite paradox mon though, can't lie

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/jagsamurott/status/1863453371941679416?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Jag (@JagSamurott) on X

TOP 50 IN REG G!!!1111!!!!!1!!!!!!!!1111!!!!

HOLY MOLY TOP 50 IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD!!!!!1111!!!!!1111!!!!11!1!!

Twitter · Dec 2, 2024, 5:21 AM

[shadow wind]

How it feels

[chrome knot]

csr scream tail

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

i think everyone knows which Paradox mon i'd mess

[craggy dagger]

why scream tail

[chrome knot]

encore disable & rock tomb

why not just stop the threat from playing the game

[craggy dagger]

that’s-
disgusting-
never thought you’d take that build-
but then again you surprised me with the reg H glochal team

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

thats me fr

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/5567551db4d59561 look at my hate crime

[craggy dagger]

encore + disable

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

lefties wut

[chrome knot]

what

[craggy dagger]

will the shadow rider be able to tank anything?

[chrome knot]

mhm

bulky shadow rider instead

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Dragon]

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

252 HP 252 SpA?

[chrome knot]

no…?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1006: Iron Valiant

Types

Fairy/Fighting

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/130/90/120/60/116

Total

590

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

idk i am just stupid

[molten oasis]

hm

[chrome knot]

yes….

[solid frigate]

Drago what are you doing-

[molten oasis]

cooking

[craggy dagger]

idk how to feel about bulky shadow rider-
i’ve tried and it’s kinda died to everything-
though knowing you-
you prolly have some god spread

[craggy dagger]

what-
wide guard encore disable?

[solid frigate]

[drowsy comet]

What do you yall think is a good moraidon counter

[chrome knot]

rillaboom

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-gif-12367750615757846079

[molten oasis]

dengo maybe hmm

[drowsy comet]

Doesn’t really fit in my team tho

[solid frigate]

then again if there is rilla i usually just bring out Hearthflame-

[drowsy comet]

I already have a grass type

[solid frigate]

What is the team

[tiny karma]

Ground, Poison

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Electric, Fairy, Fire, Grass, Poison, Rock, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

[drowsy comet]

Tornadus, moraidon, ghildengo, ogerpon rock, incineroar

Need 1 more min

Mon

Thinking of iron bundle

[tiny karma]

Iron Valiant [Fairy/Fighting]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Dark

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Rock

Neutral damage

Electric, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Flying, Poison, Psychic, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

N O.

GOD NO.

[drowsy comet]

But he’s one of my fav mons tho

But whatever, what do you think j should add

[solid frigate]

also why not just use Whimsicott over Tornadus

[drowsy comet]

I’ve used Tornadus more so I’m more comfortable with it

[craggy dagger]

cuz weather + bleakwind miss

[chrome knot]

immune to draco, resists the other 3 moves tho idt youd live anyways lol

[molten oasis]

Everytime I type into the Marriland thing chrome crashes god dammit

[drowsy comet]

But still what do yall think i should add

[solid frigate]

lol

[tiny karma]

- [Ice/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Ice

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Poison, Rock

Weak (4x)

Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[molten oasis]

well ig a9 and lando cover for its type weaknesses now it’s mu weakness i need to cover for, shifu first probably

[drowsy comet]

Ah

[solid frigate]

Hands is solid and remove Dengo for Farigiraf for a TR Mode

[drowsy comet]

Shifu is a good matchup

[craggy dagger]

into mirai??

[solid frigate]

god i need to update my Miraidon team EVs

[drowsy comet]

Nah just in general

[tiny karma]

Move: Dazzling Gleam

No additional effect.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

might as well just feed the bear into the Bot

[craggy dagger]

ditto is cool

[drowsy comet]

lol

[solid frigate]

Ditto is optimal tho

[drowsy comet]

Adding a tr mode would be cool

[craggy dagger]

esp if you transform into zama/zacian

you get the original boost that the doggos got, then get the ability boost

[drowsy comet]

[solid frigate]

[drowsy comet]

Aight well thanks guys

[craggy dagger]

i wouldn’t call it a tr mode if you’re playing mirai-
rather use it as a way to shut down tr

[drowsy comet]

True

[craggy dagger]

best of luck out there!

[drowsy comet]

Ty

[chrome knot]

i like calculator so im sure ill stumble across it ^-^

[craggy dagger]

i reveal the mess of a team i’ve been running in reg H

https://pokepast.es/bbba86c2bfcaad20

[chrome knot]

im gonna puke nova…

[craggy dagger]

idk what you expected from me

[solid frigate]

The funni

[craggy dagger]

i get hard countered by sneasler

[quick patio]

No Tera normal on Espeed Dragonite?

And Archaludon on a sun team?

[solid frigate]

don't worry

[molten oasis]

Regieleki @ Choice Specs
Ability: Transistor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Thunderbolt
• Electroweb
• Tera Blast
• Volt Switch
  

[quick patio]

I am very worried

[craggy dagger]

you copycat

[solid frigate]

nah

[gentle crag]

interstellar_latte (ID 541037106496012290)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
i’m on my way to rain on your csr parade with ghost tera blast eleki /j

Command triggered by interstellar_latte. Message from · Jun 17, 2024, 7:16 PM

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

I’m unironically gonna try this shit lol

[chrome knot]

tera normal left a long time ago this reg

[quick patio]

Why?

[chrome knot]

defensive tera + scale shot & support is just better

[quick patio]

Huh. Fair enough. I've just never really Seen Dragonite not Tera Normal when running E-speed

But my other point still stands, Archaludon on a sun team?

[solid frigate]

support Archa

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/96a0c6d94d4122b2 a single AV something will demolish me lol

[chrome knot]

imma go with: its nova, she only plays gimmick teams

[solid frigate]

and she cooking

[chrome knot]

burning down the kitchen

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-cereal-burn-fire-this-is-fine-gif-13568516

[craggy dagger]

well
yes and no

[quick patio]

I guess I can kinda see it, what's your plan if Trick Room can't go up though? Leafeon seems to be your only fast pokemon outside of Drag's E-speed

[craggy dagger]

you stole one of my ideas that became popular for a bit

[chrome knot]

which !

[solid frigate]

funny thing is that the cereal is burnt and its posted by a Burnt Toaster

[pallid hare]

good thing I cant cook, then

[solid frigate]

don't worry you won't understand her ideas unless you talked to Nova for a while

[craggy dagger]

[quick patio]

Fair enough I guess

[craggy dagger]

aren’t you the one who came to me for it after i threw a bunch of random shit in a team builder

[solid frigate]

wait can you actually cook irl or no

[chrome knot]

what are you talking about

[pallid hare]

not really, everything I make turns out bafflingly bland, even when I do use spices

[craggy dagger]

but yes i am mostly a gimmick/niche team player

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[solid frigate]

-# funny thing is that i almost tried to use Tera Ice Miraidon

[craggy dagger]

it works

[solid frigate]

i got bodied by it cuz i am so rusty

[chrome knot]

i tried making some semi coherent lunala team

was kindaaa mid

[solid frigate]

i still remember me and Creph just build a Lunala Umbreon Team go trolling in Showdown Chatrooms Tournament and got second lmao

[chrome knot]

like idk it was jus

lunala chi yu ogerpon-h rilla ursh-rss farig

[molten oasis]

This team is so ass Lmaoo

[solid frigate]

ok thats more ass than i thought

and i thought me and Creph's Umbreon Lunala team is ass

[chrome knot]

it was aight

mainly just player diffed lmao

[mint void]

Im curious about the 20 IVs in Spe for Arch

[solid frigate]

tbf the team could still be further optimised

[chrome knot]

it was like a 30 second art and craft

i have no intentions on revisiting it

[solid frigate]

fair

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-late-omg-what-happened-pizza-gif-11504119

[molten oasis]

This is not a real team I was joking lol

[bold geode]

Me with Scarf Lando

[molten oasis]

I’m well aware this is ass lol

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger are you gonna go to vancouver regionalllll

[molten oasis]

I’m probably not playing Kyurem I figured I mess with it for a bit cuz I’m bored

Weird formula to figure out

[foggy lodge]

what you do against Miraidon Hands lead

[solid frigate]

pfft

[molten oasis]

Lose

[foggy lodge]

Fair enough

[molten oasis]

This is NOT a real team

[bold geode]

Anyways
Help plz lol

[foggy lodge]

If tou want to play Kyogre i recomend you the Kyogre Bascu team i think its fun

[molten oasis]

That looks fine

[foggy lodge]

It also has a rental in cart

[molten oasis]

I’m sticking with Zac

But it’s in my builder

[foggy lodge]

I have so much shit in my builder

[solid frigate]

same lol

but its in my old computer

[foggy lodge]

Milotic is in the reg G builder

And Hoodra

[bold geode]

I just don't know if Grimm or Flutter would be better for the team here

[solid frigate]

Umbreon is in my Reg G Builder,On a Lunala Team

[foggy lodge]

lol

I used Umbreon with Koraidon its ok

But i still think its better with Zacian

[molten oasis]

Do you want screens?

[solid frigate]

Flutter Still feels better imo

Just another speed control and better offensively

Of course you can still use Grimm cuz Bulk

[foggy lodge]

Grimm almost always goes as a lead

[bold geode]

Just wondering if the added bulk from screens or the speed control from Flutter is better

[molten oasis]

Grimm also offers speed control

[foggy lodge]

Goltres

[solid frigate]

yeah but it suffers the 4 move rule-

[bold geode]

Yeah well like that and immediately threatening Koraidon too with Flutter

[solid frigate]

i understood the reference

[molten oasis]

Probably go flutter tbh

Helps with koraidon

[foggy lodge]

I like how the team goes rn

Flutter Landorus cover Koraidon

And tera dragon makes you not instantly die to it

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1fb179e6424db84f thoughts on these 6 guys?

[craggy dagger]

yes

most likely a spec pass again

[shadow wind]

What if you did Urshifu over Wellspring?

Coaching could be interesting with Zacian and it gives the team a little more oomph

[spiral ridge]

Why not compete :(

Did you say a reason I’m forgetting

[devout mist]

Isn't coaching a little bit slow ?

[molten oasis]

The point of wellspring was to offer redirection and something to take hits from CSR

and I kinda hate scarf coaching sets, getting locked into it just doesn’t feel good for something that can’t really handle incin being incin at times

(I wanna use ogerpon cuz I like it)

[devout mist]

Coaching is already a slow move to get mileage out of no ?

The very few matchups I seen it always losing momentum for a +1 atk

[molten oasis]

I mean, yea

[devout mist]

like if you in a situation where you get + 1 atk your partner, why not just go with utility/boost direct

[molten oasis]

I do like shifu with Zac but I figured it didn’t need to be here if I had wellspring

[foggy lodge]

Scarf

But yeah i don't think scarf coaching works with Zacian

[bold geode]

I mean it could........
But like eh it's mainly preference type thing

[balmy glen]

I love coaching on Urshifu with every physical attacking mon ngl

[cyan smelt]

think i need to try coaching shifu because it goes before fake out

[next stump]

coaching is just normal priority

[balmy glen]

^

[cyan smelt]

oh

[chrome knot]

I love coaching on my amoonguss

[balmy glen]

I coached my amoongus at worlds to win a game

lol

[chrome knot]

ive done it so much this reg when I was on p2 sneas lmfao

it just becomes the great wall

[balmy glen]

mhm

Coaching p2 is nice

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2255634604

Lmfao

Why

[craggy dagger]

studies-

[chrome knot]

nova

wanna see something sillyyyy :3

[molten oasis]

i took coaching shifu with zac to NAIC i clicked it 1 time and it didn't even help

[drowsy comet]

What should i add to this team

Whims, Miraidon, Incineroar, Ogerpon-Water, Iron Hands

[spiral ridge]

:(

[balmy glen]

Iron crown

[drowsy comet]

tf

fr?

[balmy glen]

Yes

[drowsy comet]

why

[bold geode]

Going away from my Rayquaza teams always kinda suck bcuz they're the one team I actually use Scarf Coaching Ursh on and due to the restricted I am playing, I do some STUPID shit with it

[balmy glen]

Completes steel fairy dragon core, completes dark psychic fighting core, naturally good with its ability with miraidon pairing and can work off from there

U can also one tap sash Chien paos

[drowsy comet]

thats cool

what set should i use?

[bold geode]

Like I was using Hitmontop first attempt and one game I was like "the only way I can win is if Hitmontop makes use of this Coaching" lmao

And then second attempt I tried to spite God by giving AV Hands a Coaching boost

[molten oasis]

I kinda suck using coaching tbf

[drowsy comet]

keanu which set

[molten oasis]

But I also would rather have Zac set itself up

[balmy glen]

U can do it a little different if u aren’t discharge miraidon

[bold geode]

Anyways how this look Keanu
https://pokepast.es/d10315c82caddbb9

[balmy glen]

Are u dazzling gleam or discharge Mirai

[drowsy comet]

im not discharge miaidon

im dg

or should i use discharge idk im still decding

[balmy glen]

Ok then u don’t have to be Tera ground

[drowsy comet]

k

[balmy glen]

It’s up to preference tbh with u

[drowsy comet]

aigh tthanks

i could add indeedee for a trick room mode

[molten oasis]

Farigiraf for that

[cyan smelt]

Farigiraf instead

[balmy glen]

Hmm tbh with u i really do like the pressure which Tera Ogerpon Hearthflame glide with Chien Pao Sucker applies but i kind of felt water dmg or a Pelipper is sort of needed for the Koraidon mu

[drowsy comet]

ye but it gets expanding force, so psychic terrain is useful

[rustic mountain]

keanu now that reg g is back

[drowsy comet]

but nah iron crown is wayy too fast to use trick room

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1fb179e6424db84f can I get your opinion on this if you wouldn’t mind?

[cyan smelt]

You overwrite E terrain

[bold geode]

So Flutter and Chien pressure pre tera and Lando afterwards ain't enough?

[drowsy comet]

yeah which sucks

[molten oasis]

You don’t want to override e terrain so no indeedee

[drowsy comet]

excatly yeah

[balmy glen]

It depends on the team it’s sort of awkward tho

A lot of Koraidon teams are pretty different

Your basically forced to kill flutter very early on with your variant

While also not trying to lose Zama

[bold geode]

Ah
Well that kinda blows
Peli would make Ivy Cudgel weaker hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[balmy glen]

So you would be forced to lead like Ogerpon/Chien into certain ones

tbh I think the teams fine idk if many peeps will run Koraidon anyways

Just comfort diff and if they aren’t Dazzling gleam u can just lead Ogerpon hearth and Chien Pao

[bold geode]

I mean it's a bad enough MU for Zama to consider at least but also I already have skill diffed Koraidon before so

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

Plus also why I went T Wave over Icy Wind
Paralysis is fuckin broken

[molten oasis]

I remember when people were saying koraidon was better than miraidon, at least I think that happened

[rustic mountain]

it did

wild but yea i def thought that originally

[molten oasis]

And then miraidon completely redeemed itself

[balmy glen]

Your so based for Sandsear Lando I

[molten oasis]

(It will miss)

[balmy glen]

I’m not a huge fan of Lando I in the reg without scarf or tw tho

[bold geode]

I genuinely can't do it lmao
I swear Sandsear is 50% accurate for me
So I said fuck CSR eat this Tera Ghost Blast

[molten oasis]

I figured tw was helpful but adding torn or whimsi where incin is makes the mu into CIR seem kinda miserable

[rustic mountain]

oh also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzpB0WZ7rJ8

[molten oasis]

And I think ground coverage just helps Zac out a lot, and blursa is kinda weird with Zac

[balmy glen]

Oh I didn’t realize my friend Caelan went on lol

[molten oasis]

But I wont lie lando feels kinda clunky at times

[rustic mountain]

i know its been like a day or reg g back on sd but ive played like 30 games nd seen no sneasler, nature is healing

[molten oasis]

“Healing”

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-rapid-strike-single-strike-kubfu-tower-of-waters-gif-23032732

[bold geode]

Just look at Japan, I know at least one guy doing it

[rustic mountain]

gdi

[molten oasis]

Sneasler is gone at what cost kek

[rustic mountain]

nah ik mostly makin a joke

i actually prefer it being good cuz it means we get a lower power format

[molten oasis]

So I do need tw or do I need to go scarf on lando?

[bold geode]

Unless wait
@balmy glen what if me do instead of Lando Hearth
Corner Peli

[molten oasis]

Or replace it for shifu, ig

[rustic mountain]

adis been goin in on the sac team reports

[molten oasis]

I’m focusing pon pao Zac I think it’s solid, the other 3 I’ve been experimenting with

[rustic mountain]

either or, u just need some kind of speed control for it

[balmy glen]

^

[molten oasis]

and eweb isn’t enough noted

[bold geode]

Also Keanu if I run Peli do I go WG on both Zama and Peli or

[rustic mountain]

imo no but keanus the zama expert

[balmy glen]

Ye I did that for worlds so I mean

U don’t need to tho

[bold geode]

I mean I've done IDBP Zamazenta before so

[molten oasis]

Idk if I wanna go scarf protect has felt important, but idk where torn/whimsi would go

[balmy glen]

I did it so I could lead Peli Urshifu and Tera urshifu t1 and click HH/WG t1 and just nuke something agaisnt the awkward mus

[molten oasis]

and also I’m kinda stressing about CIR, idk if Zac/Pon is really enough to get through it

[bold geode]

Ah

[rustic mountain]

yea that makes sense

[molten oasis]

Incin feels important for that mu

That or I’m dumb

[rustic mountain]

crazy to think zacian cant get thru cir w/ tera and all

that guy would blow cir up in gen 8 easy

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Actually do I have enough resources for IDBP Zamazenta hmmm
Wide Guard Peli
Follow Me
Fake Out
Speed control
Offensive threats
Maybe?

[molten oasis]

It’s always the Tera that resists steel which is fucking obnoxious

[rustic mountain]

yea fire or water generally

[molten oasis]

Cuz it’s relying on play rough or getting walled

I did figure wellspring works as it checks both Tera’s, if it isn’t dead

[balmy glen]

yeah but I think Zacian might get better especially since I generally thing the best Tera for Caly ice is Tera poison so your good in the Zama mu

[molten oasis]

POISON?

That’s new

[rustic mountain]

yea idt ive seen that other then once or twice mid reg g

[balmy glen]

poison should be the number 1 Tera in double restricted with the amount of Zamas that will be around and should rise a little in reg g

[molten oasis]

Oh double

[rustic mountain]

oh double for sure i could see that being a thing

[balmy glen]

I’m still figuring out if I wanna run Zama in double cuz of it lol

[rustic mountain]

but poison feels weird cuz then ur weak to csr psychic stab which im sure will be a common partner

trade offs ig

[molten oasis]

I hope Zac gets better, then winning is not as difficult at times

[balmy glen]

Nah it’s not that awkward

[bold geode]

Fuck it I'm going IDBP Zamazenta, I'm just used to the shit so

[balmy glen]

Because the most common partner will be Miraidoj

[rustic mountain]

yea maybe

double restricted gna be such a shit show lmao

[balmy glen]

yup

[bold geode]

Is that why Hirofumi ran it?

[chrome knot]

everything is tera fairy in reg g ladder

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/082bd3bcd338e551 just to wonder if I take out the last 2 what could fit here/what do I need?

Oh good

Bblade is better

[balmy glen]

I can’t wait to dominate reg g ladder after this next GC

[bold geode]

Me losing a game because the Ursaluna was Tera Fairy

[rustic mountain]

i got the early reg g out my system i think, back to reg h for the month

ladders kinda boring anyway atm

[balmy glen]

nobody really good is on reg g ladder rn tbh

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[chrome knot]

just missed a draco on amoonguss and it tera watered infront of raging bolt ama

[molten oasis]

True, maybe waiting is better

[balmy glen]

Everyone’s kind of doing what I’m doing with the whole GC left, and a few more events

[chrome knot]

im acc gonna kms with this reg already

[bold geode]

Damn way to deflate my self esteem with my shit runs so far

[molten oasis]

I don’t exactly know what I’m doing haha…

[rustic mountain]

is that different then usual?

im jkin btw

[balmy glen]

how is reg g ladder rn

[bold geode]

Of course it is

[rustic mountain]

i think i can actually play this next gc which is hype

[balmy glen]

people are just running random worlds teams im assuming

or “cooking” by taking a worlds team and changing one small thing

[rustic mountain]

pretty much or some obscene jank

ive seen the worlds winning team in atleast a third of my games

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/offended-wow-what-blinking-gif-17406723

[bold geode]

Kinda that and then some running something else
Seen quite a few CSR Indeedee teams tbh

[molten oasis]

I’m trying okay

[rustic mountain]

drago it was a joke

[molten oasis]

NOT TO ME (ik)

[balmy glen]

That’s good I wanna practice my changes on my team and see if the mu got worse/better/or became more neutral

[molten oasis]

I’m better at this format

[rustic mountain]

yea ull def come across it haha

[molten oasis]

cuz I played it

[bold geode]

For me it was like a quarter

[molten oasis]

Worlds teams? I see CSR constantly

[balmy glen]

I’ll definitely start trying again when reg g is back

[rustic mountain]

yea im jus rough estimating

[balmy glen]

Reg h I tried sticking around just below top 100 in NA and then I’ll just go crazy in January

[rustic mountain]

it mightve been less

[bold geode]

It's Worlds team, CSR, and then whatever random shit from there

[balmy glen]

Somehow I’m 75th in NA rn lol

[rustic mountain]

nice

[balmy glen]

haven’t really gone to anything

Or practiced

GC was just really boosted tbh

[rustic mountain]

yea p much same. been the big 4 and then some other jank like koraidon and lunala

[bold geode]

I might do this coming GC
Idk

[rustic mountain]

faced a few zacians

[bold geode]

Probably throwing a Coaching Dnite team with Gholdengo into it and just saying fuck it we ball with no practice

[molten oasis]

you did?

[rustic mountain]

yea

atleast 2 but iirc it was 3

[molten oasis]

i fought 1, i won wellspring did so much work lol

i missed ogerpon

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

[bold geode]

Would've went Coaching + Baxcalibur but I realized oh hey Dondozo does a fuckton to my Gastrodon with Heavy Slam if I Tera Fairy and that's supposed to be my Dozo wall so uh
Haze kinda good lol

[bold geode]

Deadass first match I boot up with Rayquaza was against Rayquaza

[rustic mountain]

also tbf 2 out of the 3 was vs the same player

[molten oasis]

pff

[balmy glen]

lmao

[molten oasis]

lol

https://pokepast.es/e40d9b6b7c8185d7 cant wait to lose to CIR

[chrome knot]

good heavens i suck at reg g lmao

[bold geode]

Oh nah I can't run Sash Peli, it's Joever

[chrome knot]

can we stay in reg h please

[molten oasis]

i'll try this ig

[rustic mountain]

mood

[bold geode]

Imma just say nah

[chrome knot]

its such a better format

[rustic mountain]

yea

[chrome knot]

i clicked astral barrage a few times

yay :3!

[molten oasis]

valid but i like legendaries

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

whatd u expect me to use

after seeing what im abt to bring to toronto😭

[rustic mountain]

im using csr too lol

[molten oasis]

eww dirty calyrex players (idc)

[rustic mountain]

tho wen the format actually starts i wanna use turtle, zama and mirai

[bold geode]

Man there's not a better Dark type for the team than Chien Pao here, it's really Joever

[rustic mountain]

i jus remade my early reg g ho team and wanted to play some games

[molten oasis]

wdym theres the ultimate glue monke

[chrome knot]

highfive

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[foggy lodge]

im just spamming Luca's team

[chrome knot]

im on csr bolt incin rilla shifu clef lmao

[rustic mountain]

u nd half the reg g ladder rn

[bold geode]

Keanu why are you Goggles Peli

[foggy lodge]

ill plat it until i get bored

[chrome knot]

and its fun to jus click nasty plot & astral barrage

[bold geode]

Goggles and Grass tera Pelipper

[foggy lodge]

Nuh uh its not the same im jolly shifu

[rustic mountain]

nice im using
csr-chi yu-torn-watershifu-indeedee f and glimmora

[bold geode]

Just damn near Wolfe's Worlds team lol

[foggy lodge]

But yeah its common asf

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

you're jolly scarf shifu?

[foggy lodge]

Sash

[molten oasis]

ok lol

[rustic mountain]

im obsessed w/ scarf shifu

[chrome knot]

this tbh

i went sash stellar, got hit w prio + something else went

[bold geode]

Idk if the double Fake Out really helps as much as the pure offense Chien Pao would bring

[molten oasis]

i can live without scarf, i liked goggles shifu towards the end of g

[craggy dagger]

im using lando instead of clef .-.

[chrome knot]

man if only i were scarf to jus kill that thing

[molten oasis]

but its the ultimate glue

[bold geode]

You eat glue bitch I don't wanna hear it

[rustic mountain]

yea scarf has its drawbacks but mostly feels really nice having that built in speed control