#competitive_discussion

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lean wind
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i got fucking scammed

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add me back to my server and i'll explain everything

bold geode
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Bro are you fucking serious

strange fjord
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f

maiden elk
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Which decuiduye is better?

shadow wind
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Probably Hisuian

molten oasis
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Sir wut

maiden elk
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Was curious because I caught a shiny rowlet and didn’t know which evolution to get

shadow wind
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I mean as of currently neither are great

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But I have seen the Hisuian one in teams

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I have never seen the Alolan one in a team

maiden elk
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I don’t battle super competitively just occasionally.

dull ibex
tranquil kraken
mint void
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totlly different videos content wise

molten oasis
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I wanna say what happened but I won’t unless he’s ok with it

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It’s pretty funny tho

craggy dagger
next stump
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anyone know off the top of their head when the regional starts tomorrow?

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it can be in european or american time

tired sage
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midnight PST
00:00am ish-
that’s what it says in the official website

next stump
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thanks 🙂

strange fjord
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time to stay up to watch some battles

mint void
next stump
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RIP

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hope you’re all good now

molten oasis
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I’m semi tempted to go to some locals this reg

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But idk

next stump
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locals are SO fun, do you have any near you?

lean wind
vapid zinc
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Best nature for a Oshawott? ichibethinkin

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I’m leaning towards Adamant but I want to make sure that’s the best for it

vapid zinc
gentle cragBOT
vapid zinc
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Starting a new save file for B2 and want the best nature for my little one pwease

shadow wind
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Usually how long do new seasons take to come out for cart?

next stump
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should be up in a few hours

molten oasis
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I’ll take a look

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No locals for VGC dammit

next stump
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RIP

molten oasis
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I hate where I live there’s nothing for vgc it’s so lame lol

spiral ridge
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theres a card shop i used toi do MTG at, i wonder if it does locals

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they did events of a few games

shadow wind
next stump
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let me find a spreadsheet that has the discord channels for all regions

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hopefully you can find one for your state and go from there

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sometimes there are locals that occur that aren't always on the event locator or are added very late

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for example, I get all my locals info from a Midwestern VGC discord

molten oasis
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Hopefully, I’d appreciate that

next stump
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there is a tab at the bottom for local discords

potent coyote
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the one for NC is expired ☹️

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nvm I see the other one

shadow wind
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Yo there's Canada on there??

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That is sick as frick

next stump
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yeah canada has an insane amount of local tournaments

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very strong scene

shadow wind
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Yo there's a weekly like 20 minutes from me

foggy lodge
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The problem is i have 0 vgc locals near me

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They are all TCG😔

lean wind
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just accept my friend request

foggy lodge
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i didn't got the notif😭

molten oasis
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There’s 1, there’s hope

lean wind
shadow wind
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Can season 25 just start 😭

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I've been waiting for 2 hours

next stump
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in my experience it's usually midnight or 11PM est

shadow wind
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That changes with timezones dog

next stump
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what

shadow wind
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Ohhh

next stump
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it's a universal start time for the ladder... so it'll be ready in 3 or 4 hours

shadow wind
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I didn't see est

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I thought that was "estimating"

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My bad

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Like 100% my bad

next stump
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you're good hahaha

torn parrot
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How long until the season starts

torn parrot
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Thank you queen

foggy lodge
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have the showdown guys said anything about reg G ladder?

true steeple
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So this happened today

molten oasis
potent coyote
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by tomorrow I mean a couple of hours

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maybe another day tho they said they might delay it

foggy lodge
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Anyways thanks!!

molten oasis
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Wait reg g returns tomorrow?

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On showdown?

balmy glen
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yes

molten oasis
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POG

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FREEDOM

balmy glen
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they are letting me loose

molten oasis
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REG H SUCKS FUCK SNEASLER META

timber falcon
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Is reg G double restricted?

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Or just one

molten oasis
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nope

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Single, unfortunately but whatever

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It’s not this format

timber falcon
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Never missed flutter so much

molten oasis
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I welcome CSR with open (barely) hands

timber falcon
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Ima start prepping my CSR team rn I guess

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Neutralizing Gas

While this Pokemon is active, Abilities have no effect. This Ability activates before hazards and other Abilities take effect. Does not affect the As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero Abilities.

cyan smelt
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Csr hell yippee

torn parrot
timber falcon
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sheesh

torn parrot
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wewooo

timber falcon
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very nice

torn parrot
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thanks (:

cyan smelt
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Damn

timber falcon
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thoughts on regileki + CSR?

cyan smelt
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Kinda frail

foggy lodge
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I don't see Regieleki with anything outside of CIR or Kyogre

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I think you want Eleki for speed control and other Pokémon like Tornadus or Whimsicott already have that

cyan smelt
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Hard loses to tr

foggy lodge
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i mean you never pick Regieleki against TR lol

timber falcon
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yeah ill probably figure out my tr MU before i think about leki lol

foggy lodge
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You still have other 4 pokemon in the team for those match ups

cyan smelt
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I think I need to improve my team somehow because even though it's good I struggle against tr

molten oasis
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Eleki is like, okay

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Idt that combo is good

next stump
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i liked eleki + CIR but i don’t think it has that synergy with shadow

foggy lodge
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Eleki has its niches i just think that its not good with CalyDow

molten oasis
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If you REALLY hate fighting the mirror ig but some run cloak

timber falcon
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yeah leki CSR doesnt seem to cover most bases anyways

true steeple
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Does reg g return on ranked too?

cyan smelt
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January I think

lofty tartan
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No. Not until January. Reg H is still the format

torn parrot
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poggy woggy

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ain no way i woudl go for 1 tho, that shit is actually 150 elo away from rank 19

timber falcon
molten oasis
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Hold up obsidian flames is a scarlet and violet set?

torn parrot
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im uber hyped

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this is the highest iv ever gotten

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in terms of number elo

lofty tartan
timber falcon
torn parrot
molten oasis
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So why do I see crown zenith at every store I go to

torn parrot
lofty tartan
timber falcon
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bruh

lofty tartan
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Obsidian Flames has a Tera dark Charizard as a chase. Definitely S/V

molten oasis
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Gotcha

lofty tartan
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The weird part is that US sets are two JP sets combined. We have fewer set releases over the course of a year but our sets are larger and more gambly without any guaranteed pull rates like JP booster boxes

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All the S/V stuff should be silver bordered too, to match JP borders. Anything before that is yellow border

molten oasis
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Yep

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Oh they’re combined sets from Japan interesting

lofty tartan
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Yup.

mighty stump
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@rustic mountain @torn parrot a devil fruit!?!?

molten oasis
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Dawg I watch one piece as well

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Thats totally a devil fruit eat it no balls

shadow wind
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Yeah but imagine you turn into a jacket

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Then your life sucks

molten oasis
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Lmao

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That devil fruit is so stupid

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You could also be graham crackers

molten oasis
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He should eat it

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It’ll totally give him some epic power

rustic mountain
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honestly most devil fruits are really good, its mostly dependent on the user. look at like ||buggy and foxys fruits, they r super strong the users just suck, then look at katakuri, his df is fucking mochi and hes still insanely strong, sure it helps hes got great observation haki but he showcased complete mastery over what most would consider a sub par df||

molten oasis
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Imagine getting choppers fruit

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Like getting the human human fruit would probably suck lol

rustic mountain
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well if ur a human then yea sure

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for him it seems pretty good lol

molten oasis
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Like you’re more human, crazy

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Well yea it’s good for the animal I’m saying as a human lol

torn parrot
molten oasis
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Worst devil fruit hm

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Caught up in anime

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So the pirate island stuff just ended for me

rustic mountain
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ok so like, ||luffys fruit is a human human model lol||

molten oasis
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Oh it is? Huh

rustic mountain
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its not inherently bad, plus we dont know what choppers fruit would look like for an actual human, cause hes got a bunch of form changes

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i doubt thats just inherent

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only one thats artificial is the super big one

molten oasis
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Valid, I wonder if all of the strawhats fruits are gonna awaken

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Or just his

rustic mountain
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maybe the anime isnt as clear as the manga on that i forget

molten oasis
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It’s not they don’t establish what his fruit’s name initially is

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I knew ||Nika Nika no mi|| but not that

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At least idt they do cuz I do not remember it getting mentioned

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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True

rustic mountain
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for shs

molten oasis
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Still disappointed I have to wait, longer for the anime cuz I don’t wanna read the manga and know what to expect in the anime

rustic mountain
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eh the mangas fantastic

molten oasis
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Oh they probably do

rustic mountain
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like sure theres some scenes im like damn thatd b fire animated but in general its awesome, no filler, great drawing and ur experiencing the story in real time vs the anime basically playing catch up constantly

molten oasis
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There’s not a lot of filler in one piece usually tho, right?

rustic mountain
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not like filler in the traditional sense of episodes, one piece for its amount of eps has very little filler in that regard, i mean filler in the pacing of the episodes to extend them, so ull get scenes that never existed sometimes to supplement that, which to me is just another kind of filler

molten oasis
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Oh gotcha

rustic mountain
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i get it but it makes it confusing wen ppl discuss certain aspects of the story that isnt really cannon but can be loosely interpreted as such especially to someone whose anime only

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most of the time they arent really relevant enough for it to be much of a factor

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but it exists

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also censored stuff like ||half of whitebeards head being scorched off in marineford, in the anime its just half his beard or w/e||

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really lessens the impact of those moments and in turn the character (s)

molten oasis
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I’ve heard about that

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Maybe I will read it, I’m also getting into DBZ so maybe not yet

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this current arc is taking, a while

rustic mountain
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i mean up to u, i personally think its worth

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i was reading the moro arc the other day

molten oasis
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moro arc?

rustic mountain
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dbs arc

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its after dbz

molten oasis
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ah

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Super had Beerus right?

rustic mountain
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yea

molten oasis
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Damn gotta speed run to watch the sphynx cat do shit

rustic mountain
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beerus is cool

molten oasis
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(I think beerus is really cool)

rustic mountain
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yea its weird hes a god of destruction so ur not necessarily gna get too many moments of like legit fighting cuz hes just too strong

molten oasis
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I started watching DBZ cuz the villains look fun to watch, and plus I wanted to get another long anime going

rustic mountain
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dbz is a classic

molten oasis
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I’m getting close to the first Frieza fight I think

rustic mountain
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i knew that was the arc u were on lmao

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pacing is abysmal

molten oasis
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This arc takes way too long

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Yea like why was Goku on that ship for like 25 episodes that was miserable

rustic mountain
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"training"

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which like sure but damn fr ? this long?

molten oasis
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That should have taken 10 MAYBE 15

rustic mountain
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yea

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15 seems fine max

molten oasis
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Almost worse than Luffy and stairs

tired sage
potent coyote
molten oasis
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That was, lame but I’m close to actually seeing stuff which is nice

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The first arc seemed paced fine

rustic mountain
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i mean its a good arc

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it just takes too long

molten oasis
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Absolutely

rustic mountain
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the good moments outweigh that for me

molten oasis
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Wait not Fari sorry lando

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I agree

rustic mountain
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nd yea giraffe feels weird i feel ud want something to better take advantage of tr

molten oasis
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Oh giraffe is weird, I thought lando looked out of place if anything

rustic mountain
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oh right no tr on lunala PES_Hmmm but yea still not sure giraffe is the move even for anti prio block

molten oasis
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I feel like CSR is easily slottable there personally

rustic mountain
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over lunala?

molten oasis
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If you’re going cloak

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Yea

rustic mountain
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i feel like the point is they wanna use lunala cuz in most cases single restricted ud prefer csr as ur ghost/psychic type its much more pro active

molten oasis
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Ik im just saying

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What Lunala stuff was at worlds?

tired sage
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hm-
well i’ve been debating between csr and lunala

spiral ridge
rustic mountain
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good too for overriding mirais terrain

spiral ridge
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true

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i meant lunalas but yeah rilla

rustic mountain
molten oasis
rustic mountain
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think it had 1 or 2 decent day 2 placements

spiral ridge
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pretty similar

molten oasis
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I’m just gonna pull out every Lunala team I see

spiral ridge
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normal ursa in reg G wow

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that wasnt common

molten oasis
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Ok that’s it

spiral ridge
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nor was okidogi wtf is this team-

molten oasis
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2 day 2 Lunala

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Guard Dog

This Pokemon is immune to the effect of the Intimidate Ability and raises its Attack by 1 stage instead. This Pokemon cannot be forced to switch out by another Pokemon's attack or item.

spiral ridge
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oh defiant and anti howl

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well shittier defiant 😭

molten oasis
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There were 2 dondozo in top cut eww

rustic mountain
spiral ridge
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oops

molten oasis
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shit I need to figure out how to handle the zama and the CIR teams in top 3

tired sage
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oh yeah
power herb meteor beam is always an option

molten oasis
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Pao Zac handles the miraidon team just fine

lofty tartan
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👀

molten oasis
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We talking reg g stuff

rustic mountain
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yea id say its more dependent on how u wanna run the lunala, the balance mode u have w/ incin urshi rilla is nice for cm lefties but if u want more offensive u can go like tw stuff

molten oasis
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Ladder supposedly comes back tomorrow

rustic mountain
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i will not be playing

molten oasis
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I figured lol

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I might not either tbh, let things settle

rustic mountain
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prolly give it till dec 20ish

molten oasis
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I’m considering going to a local

rustic mountain
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maybe even later

molten oasis
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December 31st lol

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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ok lol

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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December 30th then lol

rustic mountain
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gna be 4 more months of reg g idt i wanna jump back into it so soon

molten oasis
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I think for the local I’m gonna take the basc av bear stuff

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But I’m gonna have to go build it which is a project

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cuz I will shiny hunt basc, which is gonna be miserable

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Eh maybe not

rustic mountain
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yea luckily i hunted em on the older pla before they changed outbreaks

rustic mountain
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yea for new formats i wanna jump in and get a feel

molten oasis
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I might not either

rustic mountain
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this format i already played

molten oasis
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Honestly, may just not play that much

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Until regionals start for reg g cuz id probably go to one

rustic mountain
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def gna have to reacclimate and all but its not gna be that hard

molten oasis
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People are theorizing sneasler miraidon in the vgc showdown chats apparently, copium

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Yea

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I got shiny incin amoonguss a9 and dengo, the ones I would use

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A9 Kyurem is a thing, it’s not that good, but it’s a thing

rustic mountain
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yea atleast like incin shroom and to an extent dengo are more consistently used mons

molten oasis
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I do wonder if AV Bloodmoon will get used at all, probably not but maybe

rustic mountain
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not that u cant hunt stuff u wont use, but thats usually my rule of thumb

molten oasis
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I’d assume there’s things from this format that may be usable next reg

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barely any, but maybe

lofty tartan
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That's why I keep my battle boxes stocked.

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I get a ton of mileage out of not redoing mons once trained.

molten oasis
lofty tartan
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Just get a new one, build it, and file it away

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Well I mean Basc should be good in the future

rustic mountain
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it should be yea

molten oasis
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In lower power formats

lofty tartan
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Adaptability/Band Wave Crash in rain is still stupid calcs

molten oasis
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Last respects is a crazy move at times

rustic mountain
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love that move

molten oasis
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Adaptability basc can just ohko incin at -1 which is awesome lol

rustic mountain
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ive only done swift swim but ive been impressed seeing adapatability damage

molten oasis
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Not always cuz it depends on bulk but when it does it’s awesome

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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double resist yea thats solid

molten oasis
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It’s not bulky but like, it’s a double resist

lofty tartan
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I watched a Basc do about 75% on a Stuttgart stream into Rilla. Bonkers

molten oasis
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Basc amoonguss has carried me some endgames

rustic mountain
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i always think hard clicking wave crash cuz its so much dmg but in early game i usually dont wanna lose so much hp budgetgachichamp

molten oasis
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I think it depends on what you’re hitting

lofty tartan
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Like if it straight up removes a threat that's totally fine

molten oasis
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I like getting incin removed quickly due to it just being a pain in dengo’s side

rustic mountain
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depends, im usually not as scared of incin and can jus save the ko for later or force a tera

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but other things? maybe

molten oasis
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I run dengo, dengo hates it lol

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Why do all my main guys I use hate incin lol

rustic mountain
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i run double water and usually have my own incin and like arch and shit

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but yea it depends

molten oasis
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Basc/bloodmoon/my own incin usually can handle it fine

rustic mountain
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if u can remove something crucial and still keep basc and have other threats that can still deal w/ the rest of the team, sure ofc

molten oasis
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Incin more or less trying to slow it down

rustic mountain
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the games usually just too early to fully know a lot of that tho so i generally jus flip turn out and re position get good chip and take it from there

molten oasis
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Valid

craggy dagger
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reg G talk :0

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I think it’s well rounded

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But if I go it depends on my schedule

lofty tartan
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Yeah I've got a local tomorrow possibly but to go I have to sacrifice sleep for my overnight shift and I'm starting to get a headache xD

lofty tartan
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Pretty sure this is the six I'll lock but gonna run sets for a week. I won't lock in til the night before

craggy dagger
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doesn’t that make you susceptible to rillaboom though?

molten oasis
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I have ways to manage it

craggy dagger
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ah fair enough

molten oasis
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And I wanted a resist to Zard/typhlosion stuff

craggy dagger
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ohhhh
yeah that’s fair

molten oasis
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And didn’t wanna remain weak to water

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It also hasn’t backfired on me

rustic mountain
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prolly not gna take a look till 2mw cuz im boutta crash

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or ig later since its technically 2mw (sunday)

mental tangle
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I haven’t played scarlet and violet in a while but I’m just starting to get back into poke on and I wanna get into the competitive scene. How would I go about making a team? Should I just look up “pokemon rental teams” on YouTube and watch them battle and see which ones seem fun to me?

torn parrot
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Yayeeee

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K I’m done

gentle cragBOT
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Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

rustic mountain
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@mental tangle

mental tangle
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Thank you very much!

atomic portal
torn parrot
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XD

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thank u

molten oasis
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how do you have the mental stamina to do that

rustic mountain
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its early season rank

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still cool but much easier to get

molten oasis
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Oh did the ladder reset today?

rustic mountain
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few hours ago

torn parrot
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yep rest today

torn parrot
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chasing the purple dragopn

molten oasis
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CLEARLY lol

molten oasis
torn parrot
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oh just a

torn parrot
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i think its like a saying when someone is addicted to drugs and they're chasing a high

molten oasis
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Ic

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You’re gonna hit #1 once and then always chase that lol

dull ibex
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I got sold on kilo lmao

molten oasis
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Kilowattrel?

dull ibex
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yes

molten oasis
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lol why

dull ibex
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seems like a decent mon

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 941: Kilowattrel
Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Wind Power, Volt Absorb, Competitive (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/70/60/105/60/125

Total

490

molten oasis
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Literal paper bulk lol

dull ibex
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doesnt matter

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you run sash

molten oasis
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I mean sure but you’re forced to sash and 105 spA isn’t all that great

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It’s faster than sneasler at least

dull ibex
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airslash discharge tailwind

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its got tools man

molten oasis
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Those don’t even do that much damage but ok

dull ibex
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also competitive is a good ability

molten oasis
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Are you doing disquake?

dull ibex
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I might

molten oasis
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Discharge really should only be used on disquake imo, thunderbolt seems better

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Or you’re miraidon, idk

dull ibex
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well if im running kilo at all its with garchomp

molten oasis
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Then yea just go disquake lol

molten oasis
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I’m not seeing anything

dull ibex
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alright

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NO WAY

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effect spore

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Victory Star

This Pokemon and its allies' moves have their accuracy multiplied by 1.1.

molten oasis
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That’s mid lol

lofty tartan
molten oasis
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its pretty funny

lofty tartan
# dull ibex airslash discharge tailwind

Kilo is a good dark horse. There's a team with it that's either 7-1 or 6-2 right now ar Stuttgart (last I checked)

You can run discharge but it's not totally necessary.

It also gets Weather Ball. So if you do sand you get a 100bp rock move 🤷

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Basically nukes incin right there.

molten oasis
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oh there is? neat

lofty tartan
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I'll shoot you the paste in dm tomorrow @rustic mountain . You'll have to accept messages from me arkeknine

Sleep well duder

molten oasis
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totally considered cloak a9 with weather ball cuz it be funny

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100 bp ice move sounds great for it

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252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Weather Ball (100 BP Ice) vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon in Snow: 174-206 (79.4 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO hehe

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damn this doesn't hit as hard as i thought nvm lol

lofty tartan
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Yeah I like it on Kilo because it gives him better coverage. Though a +2 air slash can get really nasty

cyan smelt
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i'm watching a thatsaplusone video and it gives a really good insight into his teambuilding process

torn parrot
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okay i think i hitv a limit

lofty tartan
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NOW IT'S TIME TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOOOOOND

molten oasis
#

stop she's addicted dont make it worse

lofty tartan
#

insert ssj3 goku screams

spiral ridge
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nah high rank is just pure concentration

lofty tartan
#

If you're watching through dbz, you'll hit that part eventually.

molten oasis
#

eventually

lofty tartan
#

Buu saga. Almost a direct quote xD

molten oasis
#

still sitting through the second arc which has terrible pacing

lofty tartan
#

But not nearly UI

spiral ridge
#

my brother is at buu saga rn

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its still annoying majin buu

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Also @molten oasis frankly after you watch through all of DBZ you should watch Daima. It picks up shortly after the Buu saga, but well before Super starts

molten oasis
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isn't daima the new one?

lofty tartan
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Yes

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There was a big time gap between Z and Super

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Or fairly big time gap.

true steeple
#

Do the rewards for ranked battles (the end of season rewards) expire if they’re not collected soon enough?

molten oasis
#

but i wanna get to super cuz funny sphynx cat man

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(i will do daima first lol)

lofty tartan
#

Daima is pretty good from what I hear. It's retconning a bunch of GT content.

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I haven't started it yet. It's only on EP8

molten oasis
#

neat

lofty tartan
#

GT is a blight lol

knotty mirage
#

Is it better to give zamazenta wide guard or protect ?

molten oasis
#

i have to get through the arc on namek first

molten oasis
lofty tartan
#

Namek arc drags a bit. There's a lot of filler content around there too because they were waiting on more episodes.

molten oasis
#

goku stayed on that ship for like 25 episodes that was miserable

knotty mirage
lofty tartan
#

It also gives a little perspective just how far he had to travel, and the power gap he goes through is massive.

#

Like insane given the scale of characters currently in the anime

molten oasis
#

fair enough

lofty tartan
#

Once goku gets TO Namek, he's an absurd beast of a man

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And he's not even super saiyan yet

#

The fight with Frieza is incredibly good.

#

One of the top 5 fights in the entire anime

molten oasis
#

yea, those 2 on the Ginu? force got rocked lol

lofty tartan
#

Ginyu and yeah Recoome and Burter got absolutely obliterated

#

And he was only at a fraction of peak

molten oasis
#

hes currently fighting, uh, is the leader of the Ginyu force also Ginyu?

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Captain Ginyu yeah he's cheap

lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

Vegetable also ditched him

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sorry vegeta

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Yeah Vegeta wasn't gonna stick around at all. But the senzu goku just gave him amped him. Saiyan biology is incredibly unfair

molten oasis
#

aw i got beat up, now im significantly stronger

lofty tartan
#

Basically if a saiyan is near death and recovers, their power increases exponentially

molten oasis
#

makes sense lmao

lofty tartan
#

Unreal unfair. And Vegeta gets his shit rocked like 5 times in the Namek saga lmao

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

sorry almost dead

lofty tartan
#

But yeah Frieza fight is awesome. Cell saga as a general whole is also really good

spiral ridge
#

cell is a fucking awesome villain

molten oasis
#

i had to ask my friend why Frieza doesn't look like mewtwo and then they told me its a form change

lofty tartan
#

Buu saga had some weird shit that made very little sense but overall like a B+

spiral ridge
#

bro is like the most talked about villain for being basically a one and done

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

look at him hes so perfect

spiral ridge
#

this movie was so fucking ocol its like the only dragonball ive seen and i fucking loved it

lofty tartan
#

Well sell is Perfect Cell once he hits stage 3 and Super Perfect Cell at stage 4

lofty tartan
#

And Cell MAX in Super Hero

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Which was a fucking awesome movie

spiral ridge
#

cell max is just a fucking kaiju

molten oasis
#

i did start watching DBZ cuz of cell, ive heard great things about that arc

lofty tartan
#

Gohan.

molten oasis
#

ah yes Rice my favorite character

lofty tartan
#

GOHAN IS STRONGEST IN THE UNIVERSE

spiral ridge
#

anytime cell is involved gohan just decides "im gonna become so strong this man WISHES he never appears in another movie"

lofty tartan
#

Like in terms of general aptitude and potential, Gohan outclasses Goku by a country mile

molten oasis
#

well ofc its Goku's son

spiral ridge
#

its like

lofty tartan
#

Oh man just wait

spiral ridge
#

saiyan and human DNA interact strongly with each other

lofty tartan
#

Cell saga is super dramatic at the end. You'll love it

#

Well all of that was retconned Scotty. Now it's about "S-cells"

spiral ridge
#

and we are led to believe that 50/50 is probably the best balance between them?

molten oasis
#

lol

spiral ridge
#

god dammit bro

lofty tartan
#

Toriyama had worked to retcon and solve a bunch of his lore

spiral ridge
#

first huge league retcon now my limited dragon ball info is outdated

molten oasis
#

lmaoo

lofty tartan
#

It's why Goten and Trunk had the easiest time.

#

Goku and Vegeta were IN super saiyan at the time of their conception. They have they highest concentration of "S-cells"

#

Which are saiyan cells. Biology. Lol.

molten oasis
#

ik Bulma and Vegeta get together, how tf did that happen lol

lofty tartan
#

Think about it. Most men look for equals. Lol

molten oasis
#

like im so looking forward to the Vegeta redemption arc

lofty tartan
#

Bulma is a vicious woman

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

cuz hes a total douche lol

lofty tartan
spiral ridge
#

bulma tamed one cocky beast known as vegeta is all im saying

molten oasis
#

tamed lmfaooo

spiral ridge
spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Well it's from his potential being awakened by the Z-sword thing.

molten oasis
#

thats crazy

lofty tartan
#

Beast is the ultimate end to what fans call "Mystic"

spiral ridge
#

the z sword? i genuinely forget how he gets powered up in the movie

#

i just remember him getting it after seeing piccolo and the superhero android get fucked

lofty tartan
#

He just lost his shit, basically. And tapped into what he never did before. But he had been training to advance himself beyond the need for Super Saiyan

#

In the Manga he even takes Beast against Ultra Instinct

molten oasis
#

oh yea, that happens

spiral ridge
#

he was training?

lofty tartan
#

Yup

molten oasis
#

is Ultra Instinct in Super?

spiral ridge
#

in the movie piccolo directly said he wasnt

lofty tartan
#

Ultra Instinct isn't super saiyan either

#

Nor is Ultra Ego

spiral ridge
#

didnt he lose his touch and had to get it back quickly in super hero?

#

i thought he just got to his previous best not training to reach a higher point

lofty tartan
#

Vegeta, Gohan, and Goku all take branching paths away from super saiyan because it has clear limits

#

Beast is what was laying "dormant" in Gohan

molten oasis
#

this seems to be entering spoiler territory, imma go watch DBZ now lol

#

i need to finish the stickers on this gundam as well

spiral ridge
#

this is spoilers for like one big kamehame lol

lofty tartan
#

I won't say how or why or anything. Just like surface level shit

#

But Daima is cleaning up a lot of lore

spiral ridge
#

thats good

molten oasis
#

regardless, gotta finish this unicorn up

spiral ridge
#

yeah have fun dude

lofty tartan
#

Like it's confirmed Namekians are actually Demons

lofty tartan
#

Vegeta gets Ultra Ego

spiral ridge
#

that does look sick

#

i cant say ive heard of ultra ego

lofty tartan
#

Basically he gets stronger when he gets injured

spiral ridge
#

just UI and beast

#

ohh thats what yyou were talking about earlier

lofty tartan
#

So the more you beat on him, the more he crushes you

spiral ridge
#

annihliape

#

awesome

lofty tartan
#

Ultra Ego also has destruction energy

spiral ridge
#

they both share teh same twitch on their head 😭

lofty tartan
#

It's very sick

spiral ridge
#

yknow i can see the similarities with the hair

lofty tartan
#

Black/purple hair and aura.

spiral ridge
#

OHH I AHVE SEEN THAT

#

THATS WHAT THAT FUCKING WAS

#

bro he does look fucking sick in that

lofty tartan
#

Yeah that's Ultra Ego

#

It's super insane.

spiral ridge
#

hes shiny annihilape
-# ill keep making this damn comparison

molten oasis
#

damn Ginyu's based as hell

spiral ridge
#

correct me if im wrong but goku has mixed UI with super saiyan right? have either of the other two done that yet

lofty tartan
#

Ginyu is a strategic genius despite being incredibly flamboyant

#

It adds to his charm

molten oasis
#

well, he got annoyed at the red guy interfering

#

and shot him lol, but yea this is fun to watch so far

lofty tartan
#

Jiren has traditional UI.

spiral ridge
#

OHH WAIT IM THINKING OF THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF HIM UNLOCKING UI

molten oasis
#

doesnt UI take intense concentration

spiral ridge
#

the like delta and shit

lofty tartan
#

Like during the Top when goku went UI and flew at Jiren, toppo didn't even see him.

Jiren saw him coming a mile away.

molten oasis
#

or smth, i feel like my friend told me that

lofty tartan
#

No one without UI could follow Goku

spiral ridge
#

he has like 3 steps of UI as hes learning it

#

or somethign

lofty tartan
#

Yeah he's basically going through phases while he masters it

#

But it doesn't take intense concentration

spiral ridge
#

and each look a tad different and i was thinking the final phase was when he adds super saiyan to it, i was mixing shit up

molten oasis
#

might be thinking of smth else then

lofty tartan
#

Ultra Instinct is literally a state where you fight 100% by instincts

#

No concentration, thought, effort.

#

It's just free flowing

molten oasis
#

gotcha

spiral ridge
#

the silver from black hair was me thinking SS was added

lofty tartan
#

Super Saiyan Blue is intensified, weaponized focus

spiral ridge
#

thats

#

SSGSS right?

lofty tartan
#

Yeah

#

Part God part not

spiral ridge
#

i know that long ass naminmg cus fucking fighters Z 😭

lofty tartan
#

Fighters Z is based as hell

spiral ridge
#

I WANNA PLAY IT SO BAD IVE BEEN WATCHING SO MUCH LYTHERO AND I HEART JUSTICE BRO

lofty tartan
#

My double Broly, Android 16 squad

spiral ridge
#

i wanna get into a fighting game so bad but i know im just abd at those kinda fucking games

lofty tartan
#

I grapple you. I smash.

spiral ridge
#

so i dont wanna spend like 60$

molten oasis
#

i've played some some fighters z

lofty tartan
#

It's really good.

spiral ridge
#

pulling this fucking move on your enemies

lofty tartan
#

Arc Systems Works makes great fighters

molten oasis
#

do people play that over, whatever the new game was

spiral ridge
#

sparking zero has a very big fanbase yeah

#

rotom doesnt have a big fanbase shush

molten oasis
#

STOP

lofty tartan
#

Fighters Z is heavily more competitive. Sparking Zero is much more fun/casual/less sweaty

spiral ridge
#

i did that to myself yeah oops

molten oasis
#

fighters is the competitive ic

lofty tartan
#

Like sparking zero is not a very competitive game. It's not very balanced at all.

spiral ridge
#

both you can play for fun but comp wise yeah fighters z is probably lot harder

#

sparking zero has a balanced rank mode

#

using "points" to buy characters, its not a bad system at all

lofty tartan
#

Yajirobe. The menace of ranked.

#

Low points. Insane value

molten oasis
#

any fighting game like that is really hard

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Yajirobe heals himself constantly.

molten oasis
#

i wanted to try tekken cuz my dad bought it and i didn't learn shit lol

lofty tartan
#

Good luck

molten oasis
#

that game is so hard

spiral ridge
#

genuinely you need to go into practise tool for these kinda games

#

either that or 100s of hours and prob watchc ton of shit

lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

i played smash same thing, i hate that game lol

lofty tartan
#

I'm a big big fighting game nerd

spiral ridge
#

i might start out with like MVC3 as a starting fighting game

#

its pretty cheap and looks fun

lofty tartan
#

Mvc3. The infinite juggler

molten oasis
#

nintendo slowly ruined it's competitive scene it was lame

spiral ridge
#

and has a pretty high skill roof

lofty tartan
#

Basically people get you in a juggle and you die.

molten oasis
#

steve is so dumb lol

spiral ridge
#

yeah theres lots of combos in MVC3

lofty tartan
#

I love Mvc3 and 2. Mvc infinite was bad

spiral ridge
#

fucking phoenix

#

and DEVIL TRIGGER VERGIL

lofty tartan
#

I would just smash on you with triple street fighter

#

Ryu, Chun-Li, Akuma

#

Womp womp

spiral ridge
#

chun li is a bad character isnt she in that game 😭

molten oasis
lofty tartan
#

Nah. I was always good with her. But it's about juggling back and forth and just air combos til the sun sets

spiral ridge
#

oh i wanted to try GGS but fucking

#

apparently they ruined it with DLC character BS

lofty tartan
#

Guilty Gear is good. I play Strive

spiral ridge
#

similar to newest tekken or street fighter did that with unnacounced season passes that made buyers made

lofty tartan
#

Arc Systems Works, again.

spiral ridge
#

think it was tekken 8 that pulled that

lofty tartan
#

The people that make GG made Fighters Z

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

I'm just waiting for them to release Jam as DLC

molten oasis
#

yea granblue fantasy versus was something my friend showed me that was fun

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

She's my jam arkeknine

molten oasis
#

i played the demon lady she was fun

spiral ridge
#

53% postivity

lofty tartan
#

It's fine.

#

I mostly play with friends rather than ranked

spiral ridge
#

apparently newest patch broke a lot of stuff

lofty tartan
#

It's mainly one dlc character that needs balancing

spiral ridge
#

not sure but still looks fun espesically if casual

#

yeah thats what i heard, basically a for honor situation

#

god fuck you for honor

lofty tartan
#

Dude Ginyu is sorta hardcore. Lol.

molten oasis
#

Goku just powered up

lofty tartan
#

Oh to max?

molten oasis
#

he hit like 180k power

lofty tartan
#

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah

#

On earth he was "roughly 9k"

molten oasis
#

yea like that training, and him getting demolished skyrocketed his power

lofty tartan
#

Wanna know Frieza's? 😄

molten oasis
#

no lemme, lemme see that for myself

lofty tartan
#

LOL I'm joking

molten oasis
#

im assuming its really really high lol

lofty tartan
#

I won't spoil. It's a big moment

spiral ridge
#

oh yeah mika if you like dragon ball shit go watch lytheros fighter z videos, they do really fucking good impressions and bits about each character as theyre playing the game and they are skilled high level ass players so theyre super fun to watch

molten oasis
#

i figured

lofty tartan
#

I will say this - Frieza has never trained a day in his life.

spiral ridge
#

especailly lytheros goku UI raid videos those are so fucking funny to me

molten oasis
#

nothing will be funnier then "ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND!!"

lofty tartan
#

He's a mutant. It's not something specifically explained in the series

molten oasis
#

interesting

lofty tartan
#

But like his entire family makes up his whole race.

molten oasis
#

huh, neat

lofty tartan
#

Frieza is honestly a great villain, and one of the best characters in the show

#

Just well written, well acted - all around great.

#

A truly despicable man

spiral ridge
#

my brother has started working on his fucking vegeta impression

#

he got the kakarot down pretty perfect i cant lie

molten oasis
#

kakarot, this cancer thing is pretty strong, i dont think i'll win

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

My wife recently just watched through all of Dragon Ball Z and Super. Watching people discover the anime is exciting 😄

#

It gets a lot of flak but it really helped anime make a western movement

spiral ridge
#

i need to watch it but its so long im putting shorter shows in front of it lol

molten oasis
#

complain after you've watch one piece

spiral ridge
#

specifically arcane

molten oasis
spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

do it its worth it

spiral ridge
#

im very bad with watching shows

lofty tartan
#

Like I'm 39. I have fond memories at age 10 of waiting for goku to arrive on Namek

molten oasis
#

ok valid

spiral ridge
lofty tartan
#

Maybe. I was a literal child lmao

#

Dbz was one of my first exposures to anime

spiral ridge
#

i believed it lmfao

lofty tartan
#

It was dbz, project a-ko, uhhhh gowkaizer.. A few others. Really really long ago lol

molten oasis
#

my first exposure to anime was, i think, SAO?

spiral ridge
#

mine was pokemon

lofty tartan
#

Dude you're a spring chicken holy shit

#

Lmao

spiral ridge
#

the OG pokemon on netflix

#

then uhhh SAO and food wars at like 8

molten oasis
#

OG pokemon is awesome

spiral ridge
#

dont ask me why hulu had food wars i got traumatized

lofty tartan
#

My kid got exposure surfing Netflix. She watches a lot of magical girl anime in the same vein as Sailor Moon

#

Now she's watching Pokémon and DBZ (her choice)

molten oasis
#

idt SAO got me hooked on anime tho

spiral ridge
#

then i moved to MHA, then to jojo, and then a bunch all at once like black clover. assassination classroom

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

hmm, the true anime hook, uhhhhh

spiral ridge
#

jojo was defo my deepest hook

#

it has its fangs DEEP in me

molten oasis
#

it was before one piece, hm

molten oasis
#

oh probably AOT

#

no it was before that, hmmm

spiral ridge
#

metallica was such a sick fucking fight

#

AOT was good iw atched that as a kid too yeah

molten oasis
#

oh, Cowboy Bebop

#

that hooked me

spiral ridge
#

ooo

#

good taste

molten oasis
#

i remember trying Naruto, i got so bored lol

spiral ridge
#

OH YEAH NARUTO

#

I WATCHED THAT SAME TIME AS POKEMON THAT WAS ALSO BIGGGG

#

prob biggest and earliest

#

how tf did i fucking forget naruto

molten oasis
#

my top 5 now would be, One Piece, Kaiju no 8, Cowboy Bebop, Mob Psycho, Edgerunners

#

i tried JJK i think its overrated

molten oasis
#

ig its more i think its overhyped

spiral ridge
#

it has its flaws thats for sure

#

its like DS where big fanbase but obvious issues

#

god fucking

molten oasis
#

i like DS for its animation

#

that is it, its plot is not great and the characters are here and there

spiral ridge
#

exactly

#

but it has a super big fanbase

molten oasis
#

lmfaooo

spiral ridge
#

so youd prob call it overhyped too right?

molten oasis
#

yea

spiral ridge
#

yeah shows like that pop up, theyre just pure fun to watch

molten oasis
#

i cant sit and continue watching MHA rn

spiral ridge
#

dude the new season was so fucking good

molten oasis
#

with the fanbase going ballistic over ships im just hesitant

#

like you're attacking the author for ships??? wtf

spiral ridge
#

ive been watching it as a kid. its a good show but the early seasons defo have issues, but as it goes its really good. just dont get into the community

molten oasis
#

i think its more funny than anything but yea

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

i havent' watched since the doofensmirtz shit

spiral ridge
#

YEAHHH

molten oasis
#

i cant control what my tiktok feed gives me for memes

molten oasis
molten oasis
#

that, idk how i feel about that whole part of the show

spiral ridge
#

redestro is fucking suck

molten oasis
#

this fight was rad tho, thats where i stopped tho

spiral ridge
#

but the stuff around gentle criminal was boring,. school festival

#

i struggle with MHA cus the fights and action are perfect. but early seasons have just random awful things in them that make it hard to say just skip season or not

molten oasis
#

thats why i didn't care i think

spiral ridge
#

honestly

#

theres like nothing like that after gentle

#

very little, if you keep going itll be great

#

like one piece just get back the slow parts 😭

molten oasis
#

i mean, i did, the stuff with Hawks is interesting

#

from what i've seen

spiral ridge
#

hawks aprt is awesome yeah

#

thats after gentle villain or the thing after after

molten oasis
#

also tomiyaki's shift during the redestro stuff was cool

#

is that his name? hands guy

molten oasis
#

its been years lol

spiral ridge
#

he looks a little different in newest season, its awesome

lofty tartan
#

Misfit of Demon King Academy arkeknine

spiral ridge
#

Ooo I watched that

#

Was good. Did they make another season? I hope they didn’t the ending was good

#

Too many shows have a good ending then just make another season I hate it

molten oasis
#

i've watched like the popular stuff, and like, idk if this is one of the bigger ones Charlotte was fun

spiral ridge
#

Charlotte?

molten oasis
#

yea

spiral ridge
#

Idk it

molten oasis
#

yea its not as well known but its pretty good

spiral ridge
#

I searched gifs to see if I’ve seen it but nothing even pops up

molten oasis
#

put anime after

spiral ridge
#

Ohhh this I’ve only seen the gif I put lol

#

If you enjoy one piece do black clover

molten oasis
#

i tried

spiral ridge
#

I love the character growth in black clover

molten oasis
#

i fucking hate Asta rn lol

spiral ridge
#

He gets better 😭

lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

i chose the dub, tbf, his voice is obnoxious

lofty tartan
#

God of High School also good

#

Really good action sequencing

spiral ridge
#

I LOVE GOD OF HOGH SCOOL

molten oasis
#

but i also tend to look for anime i dont need 100% focus on, because i struggle to stay fully focused on stuff

spiral ridge
#

apparently it turns shitty

molten oasis
#

so stuff with dubs are nice, DBZ dub is good

spiral ridge
molten oasis
#

i'll get there its on the list

spiral ridge
#

Ik just saying

lofty tartan
#

I mostly watch subbed

#

Like almost exclusive subbed

molten oasis
#

see there's one dub that nothing can compare to

lofty tartan
#

Bleach?

lofty tartan
#

Bleach and DBZ are quality dubs. I can't stand most dubs.

I watch Gundam 100% subbed

molten oasis
#

this fucking dub lol

#

where they let the actors say whatever they wanted

lofty tartan
#

And I love Gundam

spiral ridge
#

HAHAH

#

GHOST STORIES DUB WOOO

lofty tartan
#

But most of the va blows

#

I fucking hate Kira

molten oasis
#

my friend loves gundam

#

he's spent, too much

lofty tartan
#

Most people loved SEED. I cannot stand most of the characters.

Gundam designs are top notch

molten oasis
#

i've only built

#

havent watched any yet

lofty tartan
#

Most Gundam shows are pretty good if you like political warfare and stuff.

Also giant bipedal space tanks and space wizardry

molten oasis
#

i mean i do like me some mech fighting action

lofty tartan
#

It's great for that.

#

Unicorn has some really killer sequencing

molten oasis
#

tbf, the thing that got me into robot fighting shit was transformers lol

spiral ridge
#

Real steel fighting app on my phone

molten oasis
#

i should go check out gundam

#

wtf was real steel again

#

oh that movie

#

theres so many transformers one memes in the gifs lmao

#

LMFAOOO

lofty tartan
#

Gundam 00 is a great anime.

Unicorn very good.

There's some older ones that you may go check out if you're interested but they're probably not great starting points in 2024

#

G Gundam is a less-serious very fun and campy show

molten oasis
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i dont mind older anime

lofty tartan
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Mobile Suit Gundam is like the original Gundam show

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It was excellent but it shows it's age sometimes

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Gundam SEED is good overall despite my hatred of Kira and Flay or whatever her stupid name is

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God I hate them so much

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Gundam 00 is probably my favorite.

I'm like lukewarm on Iron-Blooded Orphans, though my Mika online presence is an inside joke about the main character lol

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Mikazuki Augus

molten oasis
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thats cool

lofty tartan
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This is the main suit in 00

molten oasis
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oh that guy has a perfect grade i think, thats sick

lofty tartan
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Yeah Exia has a PG

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It's also incredibly sick and Exia is just the base form

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It gets upgrades. 👀

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awesome

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i'll check some out

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maybe itll help with my decision on the PG im gonna save up for

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i want one, idk which one, but i want one

lofty tartan
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The upgrade is GN-0000 Seven Sword. Has a few stages in between.

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There's really good kits for it out there

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As far as PGs go, Exia is pretty good quality.

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The Astrays are also good quality.

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that big ass shield? is sick

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on the seven sword

lofty tartan
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that's a sword 👀

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LMAO

molten oasis
lofty tartan
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Dude the gundams in 00 are crazy.

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thats on the list fs lol

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Exia goes super saiyan, basically lmao

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Trans-Am mode

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They use crazy particle reactors for power sources

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lofty tartan
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Astrays are sick. I have uhhhh.. Red Dragon, Red, Blue Second Revise, Gold

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just picked that one up

lofty tartan
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Oh I have that one too

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I will say this. That boy is top heavy

molten oasis
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i figured lmao

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he has 2 giant ass swords

lofty tartan
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You gotta basically use the swords two help position it

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I'd say invest in a stand for it

molten oasis
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i probably will

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i bought a stand for one that, doesn't need it tbh

lofty tartan
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The top heavy weight bears down on the stand and gives it a center of gravity almost. It helps spread the weight out

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I have one on my shelf by Providence. Providence is a big big boy

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oh the kit comes with a stand, thats nice

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for the sword tho, i'll still get another stand

lofty tartan
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Yeah it's okay. I just got a bunch of stands from my wife for Xmas

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So I used one of them.

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This Xmas I think she's getting me my Megaman X Falcon Armor kit

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oo thats cool

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I think this is a PG I looked at briefly

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the other one of those i also found interesting

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I was looking at it and she yelled at me that I'm not allowed to buy anything for myself

molten oasis
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lmao

lofty tartan
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Red Frame Kai is solid

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this would be a good first PG i think

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its the matter of where its gonna go lol

lofty tartan
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Yeah I haven't been building many because of space.

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I need a display case because I paint them BlobHyperSweats

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oh nice

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i do whatever the kit has plus like, water decals and eventually panel lining

lofty tartan
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Yeah I use some of them depending on how I painted it. I do panel lines and all thst jazz

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Water transfers and decals are like... Case by case unless you're just doing a build

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Panel lines you can do with a pen or get tricky with it using thinner and black paint

molten oasis
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i did water decals for the strike freedom MGEX and winged Ver Ka

lofty tartan
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Using thinner it sort of fills the line for you and you just wipe away the rest

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noted

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you can use a pen, never thought about that

lofty tartan
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There are panel lining pens

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Like specifically for Gundam

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are they good?

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Oh yeah they'll do the job for sure

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It's what I stsrted out using

molten oasis
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is it better to paint?

lofty tartan
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Everything will always look better dutifully painted. But it's a learning process.

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I've also destroyed a few kits doing stuff to them lmao

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You gotta be prepared to wreck a few things

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i'll get some high grades or smth and try it out

lofty tartan
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I had a gold astray that I basically soaked in bleach for days.

Strips the chrome but leaves the plastic intact

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ooof