they do not
#competitive_discussion
chrome knot
cyan smelt
It's not hard to unlock
stray badger
Sprigatito, Quaxly, and Fuecoco do not spawn naturally, all the previous starters do when unlocked
cyan smelt
Oh oops you said paldean I thought you meant other starters I misread
stray badger
And like I said, Cyndaquil only spawns in a tiny cave that is smaller than your spawn radius so it's probably just easier to Masuda for it
vapid summit
singles ou, i’m currently running specs
bold geode
Oh I ain't know shit bout that
bold geode
You gonna play one or
vapid summit
vapid summit
Oh I ain't know shit bout that
i linked my team if you’d be able to look at it
bold geode
I wouldn't be able to help, I don't do that stuff
balmy glen
You gonna play one or
Says everyday at that time frame but idk how I’d join
Like what’s the code am I blind
vapid summit
I wouldn't be able to help, I don't do that stuff
pepesad
balmy glen
Oh gaming
bold geode
I'm doing the one that's for 11/27 in basically 9 hours and 15 min lol
bold geode
Yay imma try to snipe Keanu
balmy glen
Idk if I want to use my worlds team or use my worlds team with the new changes
I have the bolt I’m playing around with still
bold geode
I'm running new shit, run the new shit bruh
It's Japan so
Idt many NA players gonna see it
balmy glen
My worlds team is already anti CTs abusing stuff so I mean
foggy lodge
im going to use anything because i don't have teams in game kek
Maybe the Goltres Latios
bold geode
I think you gotta have a team built to play iirc
Think it's like GC shit unless I'm wrong
bold geode
My worlds team is already anti CTs abusing stuff so I mean
True
I'm using Rayquaza so like does that count or is it just poor decisions lmao
bold geode
I'll see if i can make something for CTS
Coaching Infernape next to Caly I and Farig no balls
foggy lodge
y'know actually i could cook something with Valiant
bold geode
But iirc with some help Infernape can probably OHKO CSR and Zamazenta lmao
foggy lodge
i can't decide i don't think i could learn a new restricted in like 3 days lol
Which one should i pick Koraidon or Zama
bold geode
I think you know my answer
bold geode
No between those two restricted
foggy lodge
Zama?
dense latch
True
I'm using Rayquaza so like does that count or is it just poor decisions lma...
using rayquaza is never a bad decision
my goat
bold geode
using rayquaza is never a bad decision
my goat
Don't give me hope 
balmy glen
Just use Zama + Chien Pao
foggy lodge
Fuck it Zamazenta prio spam se arma la fiesta vamos a ser walleados por Farigiraf
balmy glen
Zama + Chien Pao itself is already anti CTs
That’s how broken Chien Pao is
You can spam CTs stuff but it doesn’t matter because it allows your team to just overpower
bold geode
Fuck it Zamazenta prio spam se arma la fiesta vamos a ser walleados por Farigira...
Sí sí
dense latch
Fuck it Zamazenta prio spam se arma la fiesta vamos a ser walleados por Farigira...
traete un wicked blowsito en la mochila y todo bien
bold geode
Zama + Chien Pao itself is already anti CTs
I felt like I was done with hard mode after finally biting down and using it
foggy lodge
bold geode
Honestly Keanu I been using Ogerpon Hearthflame and I'm like "damn why I been making things harder on myself by not using this" lmao
balmy glen
Hesrthflame is pretty broken
It’s the only thing that the miraidon players have that makes the mu 50/50
bold geode
It's my second restricted lmao
And my third is Iron Hands
balmy glen
When I don’t see a Hearthflame I’m like gg
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/edde2a02f11a5adc
paonite my beloved
bold geode
When I don’t see a Hearthflame I’m like gg
I was so worried about Luca's team but funnily enough his Iron Hands is GREAT into that MU lmao
foggy lodge
Miraidon vs Zama MU?
balmy glen
My miraidon vs Zama mu is 50/50
bold geode
For some reason in friendlies I have had a tough time with Zacian
balmy glen
I’m testing if adding AV bolt will help improve the Sun, Hearthflame edition Mirai, certain CSR comps more
balmy glen
For some reason in friendlies I have had a tough time with Zacian
With av bolt my Zacian mu gets worse ngl
bold geode
Yeah but like I'd rather be weaker to Zacian than to other things so
bold geode
I was finna say lmao
Good or bad way lol
cyan smelt
Monke are you gonna use infernape for reg g v2
bold geode
Fuck no
cyan smelt
Are you gonna use rillaboom or annihilape
bold geode
Rillaboom probably
cyan smelt
What are all those moves
rustic mountain
#competitive_discussion message
bumpin this for all yall that wanna teambuild urselves. a lot of good suggestions/mindsets from this
cyan smelt
Thanks tree exactly what I need rn
rustic mountain
np
cyan smelt
ck49 is a cool guy too
rustic mountain
adis great
really his whole group is super informative (tub) nd generally has members pushing the meta or just doing well in it
cyan smelt
he's pretty much the only poketuber who mentioned PARSRS too
rustic mountain
i believe that
cyan smelt
except jamie boyt
rustic mountain
i find boyts content hard to digest, its like loosely helpful but its so informal lmao
cyan smelt
i've never watched him
molten oasis
cyan smelt
i read the comments under adi's teambuilding video
rustic mountain
that boyts also mentioned it?
cyan smelt
yep
cyan smelt
What he's talking about in that video so far is basically what Emma said which is research the meta and think about what mons might be good
rustic mountain
id keep watching theres def more thats said. idk if its necessarily any different from points that have been brought up here before but hearing it directly from a top player who uses some weirder stuff themselves and how he arrives at his ideas and what not i think is important. also the general approach he mentions that u need to know wen to move on from a bad idea vs knowing wen to invest the time into something that can work
which i think gets lost on a lot of people. plus he even says like at the end of the day hes building to win, hes not just picking something to pick it
cyan smelt
It's lost on me for sure, been stubbornly trying to force niche pokemon and ideas that don't work and wasting my time
chrome knot
this is why i advise against people being “the innovator”
bold geode
this is why i advise against people being “the innovator”
Nah I'm cookin trust
craggy dagger
this is why i advise against people being “the innovator”
carmine knot
Ok hear me out sunny day talonflame(tanky) with chlophyl meowscarada
cyan smelt
Just gonna go with meta picks
carmine knot
Honestly my 4 would be talonflame meowscarada rillaboom and venasaur
craggy dagger
Ok hear me out sunny day talonflame(tanky) with chlophyl meowscarada
bulky talon doesn’t really work
carmine knot
bulky talon doesn’t really work
???
craggy dagger
wait meow gets chlorophyll?
carmine knot
Yeah
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
cyan smelt
It does not get chlorophyll
craggy dagger
i was gonna say-
craggy dagger
if it’s the smogon almost any ability then yes i think meow does get chlorophyll-
carmine knot
That was my bad yall...
craggy dagger
it’s all good 
though sun + chlorophyll is a good idea-
i know some people run torkoal for drought sun + chlorophyll venusaur
i run a chlorophyll mon too-
though i’m not allowed to share this team 
carmine knot
I was thinking more chlorophyll venasaur and garnacl for stall lols
Have hospitality in the back
craggy dagger
yeah that can work!
though if you wanna set manual sun, you’re better off with whimsicott because of the prankster priority boost.
talonflame only gets priority on flying type moves when at full hp which is why when talonflame is used, most people run tailwind for the priority speed boost
cyan smelt
Or eject pack torkoal
carmine knot
I think I need more coffee before I come up with any evil team ideas lol
BTW does anyone have a good colossal moveset
cyan smelt
Yeah, don't use coalossal, that's the best moveset
carmine knot
But if I wanted to what would be a good set
cyan smelt
No idea because it's not used with stuff like sneasler, pelipper and sand everywhere
craggy dagger
yhhhh
tera ground earth power power gem heat wave?
carmine knot
I knew I was missing something but wait it was used with pelipper???
How??? Water with fire/earth
craggy dagger
no no uh
cyan smelt
Pelipper is everywhere
craggy dagger
Kalos is saying that coalossal isn’t used much because it’s 4x weak to water/ground type and there are garchomps, pelipper, and sneasler (fighting weak)
cyan smelt
Also hard loses to ursaluna
craggy dagger
true
carmine knot
Interesting
craggy dagger
being 4x weak to 2 types while also being slow just isn’t fun
carmine knot
But doesn't it learn fighting type moves as well
cyan smelt
And you can't reliably proc steam engine
craggy dagger
And you can't reliably proc steam engine
assault vest coal + min -spatk dragapult with surf 
came across that today when i played a couple matches
-# please don’t do this. Coalossal just isn’t worth the effort to try and make it work
cyan smelt
Yeah but then you still get owned by peli arch
And like you said Garchomp says hi
Steam engine still procs if you tera grass though
cyan smelt
Nice red
balmy glen
https://x.com/PiyoLily145/status/1859229275683176629?t=72hp0BNX3xzkxEA3ffpcjw&s=...
How much more hours again
cyan smelt
man indeedee sneasler is strong
solid frigate
man indeedee sneasler is strong
they have nice synergy
cyan smelt
that mausape, dozogirl and indeedee sneasler looks really strong
mighty stump
deja vu
cyan smelt
should prolly try out all these teams to see what beats em
mighty stump
should prolly try out all these teams to see what beats em
skill
cyan smelt
i don't have that atm
the torkoal zard sun team is super powerful and so is arch rain and so is dozogirl, mausape and sneasler indeedee
bold geode
How much more hours again
Welp 25 min now
cyan smelt
hi monke
bold geode
Starting off 1-0, actually managed to almost had Game turn on me and lose but Iron Hands is a FUCKING BEAST
LMFAO I'M PLAYING THE SAME GUY NOW
cyan smelt
git gud
cyan smelt
nice
bold geode
2-0
Ngl in the comp I'm probably not winning cuz I'm getting super fucked by the ELO part
2-1
That team was super fuckin annoying lmao
cyan smelt
Why is he doing that
bold geode
Cuz I can
solid frigate
and yes i can prove
bold geode
And I'm probably gonna lose cuz I forgot to bring my Fairy resist lmao
solid frigate
And I'm probably gonna lose cuz I forgot to bring my Fairy resist lmao
lmao
bold geode
3-3 fucking Eruption Entei
molten oasis
Eruption entei what lol
bold geode
I knew it existed
I didn't know I would see it there for some reason
molten oasis
I am so cooked for my dnd session today, no sleep because friends wanted to pull an all nighter
bold geode
I forget this is Japan CTS stuff
molten oasis
Well, it’s Japan CTS stuff guess you should expect the unexpected
solid frigate
Well, it’s Japan CTS stuff guess you should expect the unexpected
Whatever the western players have tier list on everything
The Japanese Community be like
Fuck the tier list,Fuck the rules
bold geode
I am 4-4 rn, man it feels good to bait tf out of a Koraidon after having so much trouble with it before
solid frigate
I am 4-4 rn, man it feels good to bait tf out of a Koraidon after having so much...
Rayquaza moment
molten oasis
Can you get away with playing a zard Moltres deck without 2 Moltres?
solid frigate
dunno
bold geode
6-5 and I am also now 3-1 against Caly Ice
solid frigate
6-5 and I am also now 3-1 against Caly Ice
Iron Hands Carry
bold geode
Iron Hands Carry
The one I lost to played super aggressively so
Also was the only one that tera'd lol so Foul Play has done a ton of damage
molten oasis
This guy gets
Misty, articuno, staryu, pokeball, and xspeed for his first hand
I get shit in return
His misty was also successful
my rng is this game is so bad I just want the fucking badge
Why is everyone significantly luckier than me
mighty stump
I sense a recurring trend
mighty stump
Can you get away with playing a zard Moltres deck without 2 Moltres?
No
2 Moltres is staple
molten oasis
welp, that sucks
chrome knot
I sense a recurring trend
across multiple games asw
mighty stump
across multiple games asw
Do u wanna see my new tattoos
chrome knot
ofc i do
molten oasis
Ugh, I know there’s games I could play better, I’m also getting the t1 yiu got misty articuno succeded and I have no way to slow it down
mighty stump
molten oasis
Fckn stupid
mighty stump
Ugh, I know there’s games I could play better, I’m also getting the t1 yiu got m...
Yeah some hands are a scoop but it's fine
The whole point of playing is to get shop tickets
you get shop tickets win or lose anyways
So like the end result is the same either way
chrome knot
ok now explain it
mighty stump
ok now explain it
funny caution logo from cyberpunk and cartoon zombie head
I'm making a black/red stickerbook sleeve
Of just things I find neat
bold geode
And 9-6 for my first tournament with the team, I will take it honestly
bold geode
Of just things I find neat
Hello Tofu
mighty stump
bye
molten oasis
So like the end result is the same either way
I’m trying to get the badge
For 45 wins, so I’m trying to win lol
So my opponent just gets heads for days but when i need heads I don’t get shit, cool
foggy lodge
bold geode
Yay a second team report on the same team lol
merry raptor
should i use hasty or modest for raichu if i want to use it competitively
chrome knot
timid is +Spe -Atk, Jolly is +Spe -SpAtk
timber falcon
thoughts on scrafty
chrome knot
get rid of it
timber falcon
it has nice tools
im thinking of having it for a fit on my sylveon team
since it also works in tr kinda
chrome knot
its useless gang
timber falcon
ik the attack is suspect, but what other reason would make it useless
im seeing more tools than faults here, so im just looking for justified opinions to see if i should shut it down
chrome knot
what are its said “tools”
timber falcon
its dark and fighting type is decent into archaludon, gambit, dengo and dragapult but for one, sneasler might be a little annoying but i got xen headbutt
its defensive stats are just good tbh
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
timber falcon
health could be better but after some calcs it seems with a nice 252 i can live some hefty hits
CC, knock, zen and fake out with AV allows me to hit most type combos for very nice, whilst maintaining tempo
chrome knot
so the tools in question weren’t tools at all and you want to use 58spe with eh bulk as a main attacker
90atk
chrome knot
support would be tools yes
timber falcon
oh thats mb
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
chrome knot
scrafty fails the lurantis test sorry gamg
timber falcon
whats that
chrome knot
id rather pick lurantis over this😭
timber falcon
what would you say makes scarfty useless though
chrome knot
the fact that i can fit better pokemon in its place
without trying to make one pokemon do all with extreme role compression i can just have a few guys who are perfect for their said job
timber falcon
true i might be trying to stuff in the jobs
bad habit of mine
ima rethink that one
bold geode
Scrafty?
timber falcon
mhm
chrome knot
this is why i advise against people being “the innovator”
^
bold geode
That is one of the things of all time
chrome knot
im okay im gonna keep prepping for toronto🫡
bold geode
Lol
bold geode
but it’s fun :(
Hai bestie
craggy dagger
chrome knot
but it’s fun :(
wasted time if you want to compete irl :<
craggy dagger
i wouldn’t say wasted cuz it does make you think harder
maybe it’s not necessary but like
it’s good info in case someone does manage to sneak in some weird builds
chrome knot
what
craggy dagger
also maybe not a good idea to dive right into making niche work if you don’t understand the meta too well 
but i’d say i’m learning a lot of new things-
and i’d rather be learning new things rather than slamming my head against the wall with just one team
chrome knot
i guess if ur just laddering just to ladder
in the case of actually competing i think i would rather slam my head against a wall learning 1 team so that i can become the best player of said team and have the highest chance to do well at an event
bold geode
wasted time if you want to compete irl :<
Jamie Boyt and that one guy who almost Day 2'd with Tentacruel beg to differ
craggy dagger
also it’s fun messing around with stuff
even if you’re not gonna bring it to irl events-
chrome knot
chrome knot
no point in arguing against an iron wall <:blondenekogiggle:931904537890025504>
im sory you wont make it through somebody who mainly plays consistency
mint void
@dusty robin which ninetales? Imma go with ice cause the normal one doesnt really do anything dor this team i think
dusty robin
Yes Ice
craggy dagger
im sory you wont make it through somebody who mainly plays consistency
boring :(
chrome knot
results arent that boring
rustic mountain
both approaches are fine as long as ur self aware of wat ur going for 
rustic mountain
nice, u prolly wouldve went 11-4+ w/ a better restricted
dusty robin
@mint void but its important that Ursaluna is Blood Moon
rustic mountain
bold geode
nice, u prolly wouldve went 11-4+ w/ a better restricted
Would've went 10-5 but I forgot one thing
Sneasler also can use Psychic Seed
Fuck
bold geode
It was paired with CSR E Force shit and it put my boosted Ray to sleep
But yeah I lost one game to that luck, one to a CTS thing cuz I forgot about Eruption Entei, and then the other 4 were honestly just all around good games where they just played better than I did
So I'm really not mad, I'll take it
rustic mountain
fair enough
bold geode
Plus I went 4-1 against CIR cuz only one person tera'd their shit
bold geode
Y'know I didn't fight a single one which was odd
rustic mountain
yea that is lmao considering it just won worlds
like cir was right there too but still
chrome knot
both approaches are fine as long as ur self aware of wat ur going for <:shrug:7...
any approach is fine if ur perma online ladder player
bold geode
I fought 6 things
Both Calys, then from there not counting the Necrozma Dusk Mane and the Zacian, I only fought Koraidon and Groudon
Though I am ashamed to admit both Koraidon and Groudon picked up a game off of me
bleak spruce
I’m still surprised calyrex didn’t take the win
bold geode
Nah Luca played very well
Honestly both sides did but Luca just came out on top
How it goes
bleak spruce
Nah Luca played very well
Honestly both sides did but Luca just came out on top
...
Not missing Draco meteors helped too
If it was me I wouldn’t have landed any
craggy dagger
any approach is fine if ur perma online ladder player
bold geode
All the games were good
Game 3 was the one that could've gone either way
Game 2 could have as well, but Caly living the Foul Play sealed it and in Game 1 Luca had immediate lead cuz Yuta got a prediction wrong
craggy dagger
I fought 6 things
Both Calys, then from there not counting the Necrozma Dusk Man...
what’s wrong with dusk mane 
bleak spruce
what’s wrong with dusk mane <:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
Only thing wrong is how it’s slept on
Just play it like a big ursaluna
bold geode
what’s wrong with dusk mane <:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
Idk wtf it does is my problem with it
craggy dagger
Idk wtf it does is my problem with it
YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED ME
craggy dagger
Only thing wrong is how it’s slept on
it’ll be back when there’s double restricteds
it’s a good partner for trick room cuz of its typing
and how it goes well into ice rider and shadow rider (to some extent)
bleak spruce
Solid stats and good ability and typing. Kind of an awkward speed tier though
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
bleak spruce
I’m going to try Terapagos
craggy dagger
@solid frigate
you’re up-
bleak spruce
I was scared to see Terapagos hater in the name but I’m safe
bold geode
YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED ME
It didn't matter tbh
I solved it with Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel
bleak spruce
https://pokepast.es/3c5853c74fe0ab7a roast me
craggy dagger
It didn't matter tbh
I solved it with Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel
fair enough
craggy dagger
https://pokepast.es/3c5853c74fe0ab7a roast me
asides from the raichu and the EV spreads, it looks fine to me
bold geode
Anyways
There's 3 more tours and imma try to hit em all
Hell for one of em for content purposes I might try to use Palkia lol
craggy dagger
Anyways
There's 3 more tours and imma try to hit em all
Hell for one of em for c...
i want in 
bleak spruce
asides from the raichu and the EV spreads, it looks fine to me
I forgot why I put Raichu there tbh. I’ll work on EVs eventually I just tried to get up to the bumps
I was probably thinking raichu for Miraidon lmao
craggy dagger
i mean it’s not a bad idea but like
bold geode
I'm literally only doing this so I fulfill that poll I did in June lmao
craggy dagger
i’m also questioning focus energy as wel as knock off on rilla
bold geode
Have an idea, I just need to look into it
rustic mountain
any approach is fine if ur perma online ladder player
sure but i also do think its not exclusively that either, ive seen plenty of more casual players go to irls and compete for fun
craggy dagger
like me
bleak spruce
i’m also questioning focus energy as wel as knock off on rilla
Focus energy for Ivy cudgel crits and knock off for calyrex
bold geode
And we're having this debate again
Oke I'm outty
bleak spruce
Should nuke if they don’t Tera
craggy dagger
And we're having this debate again
Oke I'm outty
waaaa
no don’t goooo
bold geode
Fun fact: I lied
craggy dagger
also palkia gets almost no good water type move
rustic mountain
yea i mean idk about debate im jus stating objective truths haha not everyone needs the same things out of the game to compete/play
bleak spruce
Tera water Tera blast 
craggy dagger
tera fire flamethrower palkia
bold geode
also palkia gets almost no good water type move <:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
I have an idea
I just need to look lol
spiral ridge
spiral ridge
also palkia gets almost no good water type move <:KEKW_Cry:1179139983341269104>
It’s just an anti kyogre ain’t it 😭
craggy dagger
I have an idea
I just need to look lol
lemme have a taste though-
solid frigate
I was scared to see Terapagos hater in the name but I’m safe
well Pagos eh?
craggy dagger
Palkia-Origin @ Lustrous Globe
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
- Spacial Rend
- Tera Blast
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
molten oasis
It’s just an anti kyogre ain’t it 😭
“I hate kyogre” Creph probably
bleak spruce
I’m dropping raichu for Walking Wake
solid frigate
Also Nova I'm Building Welt why did you ping me lol
craggy dagger
cuz pagos
solid frigate
fair enough
solid frigate
“I hate kyogre” Creph probably
Creph hates Whims more than Anything-
solid frigate
I’m dropping raichu for Walking Wake
on Pagos Team?
molten oasis
Creph hates Whims more than Anything-
You’re right lol
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
rustic mountain
restricteds i used in reg g
ogre/horses/sword dog (kinda)
restricteds ill use in reg g +
zama/mirai/turtle
craggy dagger
oh clear body huh…
molten oasis
Hi tree how’s life
spiral ridge
restricteds i used in reg g
ogre/horses/sword dog (kinda)
restricteds ill use i...
Ogre? 
molten oasis
I decided it would be a good idea to pull an all nighter
bleak spruce
molten oasis
And then have plans the following day, otherwise I’m fine
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/18d88292d0a08583
i tested Cresselia,Mid on Pagos
molten oasis
restricteds i used in reg g
ogre/horses/sword dog (kinda)
restricteds ill use i...
You played Zac?
rustic mountain
yea early reg g that was my first team
spiral ridge
I usually say kyo
bleak spruce
i tested Cresselia,Mid on Pagos
I have it for TR option and helping with status
molten oasis
Oh, nice
bleak spruce
Any better option?
craggy dagger
eternatus has 130 base speed what-
bleak spruce
I debated Tera ground P2
rustic mountain
nd then after realizing how hard i had to work for my wins i jumped ship
molten oasis
Probably when it was best beyond end of the format lol
craggy dagger
I usually say kyo
tornogre-
tornadus kyogre
molten oasis
nd then after realizing how hard i had to work for my wins i jumped ship
Why use Zac when you can spam broken spread moves
spiral ridge
eternatus has 130 base speed what-
Damn
rustic mountain
p much
solid frigate
I have it for TR option and helping with status
https://pokepast.es/1801e582e40c36e4
I don't think you have to worry TR and status (At least in my Opinion when grinding ladder)
Here's my Team if you are interested
spiral ridge
tornogre-
tornadus kyogre
Look I’m dumb okay
molten oasis
I legit really only use Zac so much cuz it’s my favorite
I’d likely be on, something else idk what
rustic mountain
zacian was so position heavy nd w/ constant intimidate pressure it became kinda inflexible w/ wat it was able to do
ppl def found mons/teams that really helped remedy that issue
mint void
@dusty robin https://pokepast.es/37acd0d5c8a668a1
1st try. Gonna test if Meow feels better with choice band and/or protean
rustic mountain
i jus was playing it on more balance style and it jus wasnt it
molten oasis
I think your team HAS to put pressure on incin
spiral ridge
Only get the attack boost once and there’s so much intim cycle how fun!!
molten oasis
Zac cannot handle dealing with FO cycling
rustic mountain
its not even that, its it needs to exert that pressure and be able to capitalize off it at different stages of the game, having an urshi and thinking u can jus surging it t2 or 3 is just not gna happen
mint void
https://pokepast.es/1801e582e40c36e4
I don't think you have to worry TR and st...
Why terapagos no name?
rustic mountain
atleast not against good players
molten oasis
its not even that, its it needs to exert that pressure and be able to capitalize...
Valid
solid frigate
Why terapagos no name?
i forgot to add it back lmao
rustic mountain
Valid
regidrago was a nice add on to really just be like im hitting ur whole team for big neutral damage and if u have tera fairy/fairy mon u just blow it up w/ zacian later
rustic mountain
it has more widespread offensive pressure that urshi lacks (single target) and can push games forward pacing wise that u dont worry about the intimidates/fake out cycles as much and then zacian comes in and cleans up
thats seemingly the base of it ofc theres more nuance
rustic mountain
https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-ogerpon-wellspring-tera-pokemon-scarlet-and-viole...
yes that is tera
dusty robin
@mint void I aprecciate your help so much!! How you do that in Pokepast?
spiral ridge
yes that is tera
I meant like switch in to deal with Urshi and this was only gif
rustic mountain
oh lol, wellspring kinda fell off in reg g as a urshi counter, id say rilla/bolt were more common
spiral ridge
Since wellspring is one of the best to switch in on vs an Urshi tryna hit an incin
Yeah true rilla was more prevalent later
rustic mountain
rillas been around
spiral ridge
It was just first that came to mind
rustic mountain
fluctuates a bit but it was like top 3 useage almost all of reg g p sure it had #1 useage at 1 point
spiral ridge
Over incin? Damn
rustic mountain
yea
spiral ridge
Actually I think I remember that at a regional yeah
bold geode
Ok so I've already accepted that I'm burning the kitchen down with Palkia
Therefore
Time to go Palkia Sandy Shocks lmao
rustic mountain
terrain control/strong grass type w/ fake out
molten oasis
My internet
molten oasis
regidrago was a nice add on to really just be like im hitting ur whole team for ...
I think Lando I is also really good with Zac
bold geode
Cuz Sandy Shocks not only has Discharge
But also has one other thing
spiral ridge
https://tenor.com/view/toniodiggy-gastrodon-pokemon-shiny-hello-gif-570214893077...
This as well true
foggy lodge
i was thinking
bold geode
|| Gravity ||
molten oasis
Heavily pressure incin and miraidon which it can struggle with
rustic mountain
I think Lando I is also really good with Zac
that was on the successful comps of it right?
foggy lodge
Does Zamazenta OHKO P2
molten oasis
I believe so
rustic mountain
atleast 1 had it iirc
molten oasis
The more rain focused teams had it
bold geode
Does Zamazenta OHKO P2
If it don't then it's very close
molten oasis
Or not chi yu HO teams
rustic mountain
zama def 2hkos p2
bold geode
Yeah it 2HKOs P2 no problem
molten oasis
I think Zac wellspring lando is really solid
I feel like they cover eachother pretty well
It’s testing that on ladder that’s gonna determine how consistent it is
rustic mountain
u know wat i cant believe i let myself talk about reg g rn, be gone with yall
bold geode
LMAO
molten oasis
HAHAH
bold geode
It's almost December Tree, just let it happen
molten oasis
Let it happen
bold geode
I forgot that there's a Reg H GC soon
rustic mountain
hell yea maybe i can actually have time to play in this one
spiral ridge
lol tree
mint void
I kinda wann run weakness policy dragapult as a gimmick
rustic mountain
bold geode
Anyways, Gravity with Palkia team
Do I run Yanmega or
bleak spruce
https://pokepast.es/1801e582e40c36e4
I don't think you have to worry TR and st...
I was thinking about Amoongus for pollen puff
foggy lodge
+1 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 122-146 (63.5 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
molten oasis
Anyways, Gravity with Palkia team
Do I run Yanmega or <:KekHands:125129468646811...
Bruh
foggy lodge
196+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 180-212 (93.7 - 110.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ok thanks
foggy lodge
oops it says guaranteed
molten oasis
Why is it my fault
molten oasis
hell yea maybe i can actually have time to play in this one
Maybe
bold geode
Remember that poll
foggy lodge
196+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 ...
62.5% chance to OHK0
molten oasis
Hopefully you do
foggy lodge
Yeah P2 is shit in reg G
bold geode
Remember the poll Drago
rustic mountain
Hopefully you do
id like to, feel pretty comfortable w/ this rain team feel like i could do well
bold geode
That made me end up using Rayquaza afterwards in the first place
rustic mountain
bleak spruce
I kinda wann run weakness policy dragapult as a gimmick
I tried it with quick attack from Sylveon
bold geode
You forget that Rayquaza wasn't the one that won that shit
solid frigate
I was thinking about Amoongus for pollen puff
its more consistent for me at least
bleak spruce
Tera dark for prankster taunt?
rustic mountain
bleak spruce
That mirror game was fun to watch
solid frigate
Tera dark for prankster taunt?
yeah its my funny button ye
foggy lodge
252 Timid Buzz + Adamant Sneasler cooks
rustic mountain
That mirror game was fun to watch
in top 4? the g1 sucked everything after was solid
bleak spruce
I think so it was Carson vs Marcus
rustic mountain
yea
g1 was jus buzz sneasler mirror coin flip that ended on a t3 or t4 forfeit
it was a terrible watch haha
bleak spruce
That was lame i wish they played it out. Funny turn one
craggy dagger
|| Gravity ||
grav skill swap prankster sing 
rustic mountain
i think it was just over at that point, he had a big advantage so he just moved onto the next one
led to a great g2 adjustment w/ i think bear lead and then g3 was back and forth
set overall was good jus the g1 that atleast for me as a spectator was shit
ik mirrors are weird
bleak spruce
Yeah I agree but it was funny to see
rustic mountain
fair enough
bleak spruce
There were a few plays I thought would’ve been better like an Incin switch in G2 I think but it was over the next turn or two later
I just hope sleep meta goes away reg G 
solid frigate
I never heard Sleep meta Before
Its always Just Amogus doing that
bleak spruce
Sneasler was way underexplored before this reg
balmy glen
im cleansing this chat w/ reg h content
moment
bleak spruce
I never heard Sleep meta Before
Its always Just Amogus doing that
Jumpluff and vivillion
rustic mountain
yea they r covering for so much i think its tough to always make those calls 100% in the moment. its easy to say if ur watching nd see wat the opp player is picking or after u see wat theyve chosen but theres so much u gta factor in wen ur in the midst of it. like even g3 came down to a protect call, if marcus calls carson not protecting sneasler and kos it he wins that
solid frigate
Jumpluff and vivillion
Even then its not as consistent in Reg G for them
Reg H Yeah sure but thats it
bleak spruce
Even then its not as consistent in Reg G for them
Yeah and I’m looking forward to that
Electric terrain helps deter it
rustic mountain
sneasler was perfectly explored b4 reg h, it just wasnt very good, ppl will realize again
chrome knot
I won a $20 reg g tour last night lul
w lmfao
molten oasis
People will use it realize it’s power crept and go back to shifu
bleak spruce
I don’t feel like I saw anyone use it or even talk about it much. I could see it running electric seed and fitting in with Miraidon
solid frigate
anyways back to do assignments Cuz my Teachers don't know how to sort Assignment's Time Window
2 Assignments before Mock Exam wtf is this shit
rustic mountain
I don’t feel like I saw anyone use it or even talk about it much. I could see it...
i think hands and shifu r still just better overall mons and fighting types to have on ur team
bleak spruce
AV hands was great
solid frigate
ppl will try it tho i jus dont see it surviving
Me when i see Sneaslers in Birmingham:
I want to cry
rustic mountain
not gna be able to get the same mileage its gotten in reg h
solid frigate
not gna be able to get the same mileage its gotten in reg h
at least I'm training rn with the bois
bold geode
I won a $20 reg g tour last night lul
Where was that at
balmy glen
Where was that at
The Japan one was too late so I did a fun tour that some vgc peeps hosted
I’ll prob join the Japanese tour tomorrow tho
I need to test the new spreads/av bolt edition
bold geode
It was early
I was delirious at 6AM and still pulled 9-6 with Ray so 👍
Also was it on Limitless or
gentle cragBOT
https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681
dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
lofty tartan
I fully agree. And I called Sneasler's rise when Reg H was announced
rustic mountain
yea ppl dont realize how the context of whats allowed informing the meta gives rise/fall to certain mons. sneasler had a perfect storm
like arch is strong now, it wasnt underexplored in reg g it just didnt do enough
bleak spruce
It fit on some teams and was always a threat to be respected but still niche
knotty mirage
Finally i really despise this reg 
bleak spruce
I could see sneasler being a threat with dire claw for status and damage into fairy teras, throat chop for the horses, and support with fake out or coaching
Maybe not worth using over Ursh or Hands generally, but there is some utility
knotty mirage
Isn't ursh and hand is not even allowed in this reg
bleak spruce
Not this reg but they’re back next reg
next stump
I dont think any regulars in here do
vapid summit
aw rats
bold geode
@chrome knot I'm ass at Mario Kart 
chrome knot
okay..
maiden elk
Is honchcrow physical,special or mixed
dull ibex
I got called a Quick VGC Cuck today
mint void
Is honchcrow physical,special or mixed
physical
100% look at his stats no?
night slash brave bird
craggy dagger
Is honchcrow physical,special or mixed
it’s mixed but the moxie ability makes it more physical oriented
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
shadow wind
And moves like sucker punch and brave bird
shadow wind
Man, it's been so long since I've hit T100 with the main
mint void
it’s mixed but the moxie ability makes it more physical oriented
its physical move pool matches better
dense latch
Man, it's been so long since I've hit T100 with the main
congrats!!
mint void
Man, it's been so long since I've hit T100 with the main
gg
I wish honchcrow wasnt so bad
rustic mountain
I wish honchcrow wasnt so bad
the fact its pre evo is better is telling
dusknoir moment
chrome knot
its pre evo just has a broken ability
mint void
making it better
potent coyote
Man, it's been so long since I've hit T100 with the main
yoo nice work dude
serene gazelle
hey guys, I have a question as someone who's interested in vgc
how do players get max iv pokemon ready for tournaments, especially ones that can't be bred? do they just farm hypertraining?
molten oasis
Hyper training
cyan smelt
people are already using pengi's team lol
next stump
and I'm guessing speed dropping nature mints for trickroom teams?
yes, or breeding
next stump
definitely not, especially if you only build teams in game every once in a while
serene gazelle
is there a guide that's regarded as best for newcomers? I might give it a shot if it's not that grindy
oh nvm just saw pins
brisk void
does anyone know a good rillaboom build without assault vest?
torn parrot
Your gonna wanna run choice specs
Tera normal boomburst
That what everybody is doing
brisk void
okay
torn parrot
No im kidding
brisk void
phew
torn parrot
Lol
He does have boomburst tho
He’s a sound guy with his drums
Even has snarl
And hyper voice
torn parrot
Fake out wood hammer grassy glide is standard
And then the last is whatever
Peopel have preferred horsepower in this meta
cyan smelt
U turn if you want to pivot a lot
balmy glen
why knock off
just use wood hammer
and fake out is needed
unless ur choice band rilla
chrome knot
keanu
craggy dagger
cyan smelt
I can't think of what to use
shadow wind
Wanna use the team I just used for that?
If not all good, I just thought it was fun to play
cyan smelt
Sure I'll try, it might give me some ideas
cyan smelt
I was thinking of trying alolan Ninetales with rotom frost and eq choice band gliscor
cyan smelt
kinda inspired by that team on james baek's channel with cryogonal and garchomp
but i thought it would hard lose to indeedee sneasler
shadow wind
Yeah it kinda does
Cause Sneasler outspeeds Jumpluff
And would also outspeed Specs Typhlo
cyan smelt
how did you come up with this team
shadow wind
Why?
It came from wanting to outspeed lotsa stuff with a Ground type(Excadrill) and spamming of EQs
cyan smelt
first game i lost to ice punch sandslash with e-force espeon
shadow wind
Originally did not have Psyspam but it felt needed after a lot of Ape losses
cyan smelt
should have led corv
shadow wind
first game i lost to ice punch sandslash with e-force espeon
Snow is tough I can't lie
shadow wind
Yeah that's not too common of a fella
cyan smelt
i hate niche picks
shadow wind
I like them but I hate fighting them
Never know what they're going to do
Ice punch is kinda nuts
Nuts in a "You're literally insane" kind of way
cyan smelt
this is a good team though
cyan smelt
maybe i should just use this if i go to perth
shadow wind
I'm making a rental for it in like 2 days so if you want to feel free to let me know
cyan smelt
it was all good i just low kicked it
cyan smelt
they terad into steel
torn parrot
Nice job with the teeeeam conner
shadow wind
Dragonite is shockingly heavy
shadow wind
Nice job with the teeeeam conner
Thanks !
cyan smelt
i can't come up with anything, feels like i'm having like a genuine block here
shadow wind
I had that a little bit ago
cyan smelt
yeah may as well
the last two will be rilla and sneasler, sneasler with unburden and grassy seed
cyan smelt
also that dnite was encore dnite
cyan smelt
people getting way too tricky
cyan smelt
dnite is the real star of sv
cyan smelt
i like pao zama
i figure to get out of my rut i'm just gonna experiment and see what works
rustic mountain
cyan smelt
and thinking cc, dire claw and acrobatics for sneasler
cyan smelt
coaching might be good next to gliscor and rilla
cyan smelt
gambit is already tera flying
shadow wind
Also Rillaboom lowkey doesn't cook with EQ spam
cyan smelt
indeedee?
cyan smelt
coaching doesn't really work with indeedee
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/d15717337ec86e1a
raghav bubbled top 32 w/ acrobatics sneasler. team looks a lot different then wat ur suggesting tho
shadow wind
And if you dropped the gambit you could do tera fly Acro
But I don't know, tricky decisions
cyan smelt
ig i replace gambit for buzz
shadow wind
Hmm
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/cb5073339941d654
hyper cutter gliscor and inner focus indeedee
shadow wind
With rilla it worked with coaching cause gambit too but then it's like. How do you make EQ work?
shadow wind
hyper cutter gliscor and inner focus indeedee <:PB_shock:744998229984280628>
Hyper cutter is normal
Own Tempo ain't though
rustic mountain
i was moreso making the joke u jus used the default abilities but sure
rustic mountain
double ice seems terrible tho
cyan smelt
could run e-web on rotom
shadow wind
1 Mamo and A9
rustic mountain
havent seen those myself bax a9 doesnt seem bad tho, rotom frost just doesnt seem like the move
shadow wind
It has fairly good synergy with EQ but yeah, maybe not
rustic mountain
ive run into 1 solo mamo recently no a9 w/ it tho
rustic mountain
i mean synergy w/ eq is fine but the mon also needs to provide some value
rustic mountain
Was it disquake??
kilowattrel disquake?
cyan smelt
i could definitely try disquake
shadow wind
Yuh yuh yuh
rustic mountain
nah it was a whims team
rustic mountain
mamo is one of those mons that seems great on paper
shadow wind
Then gets hit with FWG
rustic mountain
and then u play it and ur like damn what a tera hog
rustic mountain
can run sash but then ur likely giving up something else that prolly wants it on that kinda team (more ho)
i used mamo a bit in swsh w/ sash but also like u could jus use max airstream for speed control
shadow wind
ONE WHOLE RESISTENCE
rustic mountain
ice/ground great offensively, awful defensively
shadow wind
1 immunity is nice but bro is NOT living a lot
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Trust me, it cooks
rustic mountain
press a miss blades im good on that
rustic mountain
hahah rough
shadow wind
I'm a walking rng check
cyan smelt
last slot i could just go prim ig
rustic mountain
I'm a walking rng check
yea idm inaccurate moves but thats a lot ur stacking against urself
shadow wind
I mean I use Ttar right now and he has his own Pblades(rock slide) issue
But I have Rock slide and heat wave, that's it. No more missable moves
Besides icy wind
Oh and High Horsepower
Ok I like missing moves
cyan smelt
since it's a snow team should i use blizzard on prim or should i stick with hyper voice and moonblast
shadow wind
since it's a snow team should i use blizzard on prim or should i stick with hype...
Seems bad
rustic mountain
ttar atleast has some defensive capabilities, pao is frail af and 1 miss on groudon can potentially just lose u games. the power level difference matters a lot more u have way less chances for misses/mistakes the stronger mons are
shadow wind
100%
Pblade miss means I'm getting blasted with an Astral Barrage, Glacial Lance, Water Spout
rustic mountain
nd ive told u before im a big groudon fan
sometimes u gta jus know wen it aint it for a mon
shadow wind
He's just a little too honest for Reg G
cyan smelt
i think on my reg g team i have icicle crash and high horsepower and WoW and that's about it for inaccurate moves
rustic mountain
but w/ how the format currently is + tera + single restricted like it has so much working against it
rustic mountain
missing p blades might not be as bad if u got a lunala next to u wide guarding the barrage/spout or w/e
shadow wind
When does double restricted happen?
rustic mountain
idk
shadow wind
If it's happening
shadow wind
That would make sense
rustic mountain
may-sept would be double restricted for worlds
then some b.s post worlds format to carry us into gen 10
shadow wind
Mythicals 🤪
rustic mountain
no restricted limit mythicals allowed
craggy dagger
swsh is fun :3
shadow wind
Sounds dope
craggy dagger
it was super fun
rustic mountain
stomping ppl w/ victini and shit was cool
cyan smelt
ok time to test this team on an alt to see if it works
craggy dagger
like it was frustrating that there was so much legends were around but it was also fun
cyan smelt
unburden sneasler outspeeds typhlosion under tw, good to know
craggy dagger
oh fr?
wait no that makes sense cuz sneasler has a higher base speed than typhlosion
cyan smelt
and it outspeeds garchomp under tw with unburden
cyan smelt
unburden doubles speed right
spiral ridge
yup
cyan smelt
that's handy
shadow wind
Gliscor stuff?
cyan smelt
haven't brought gliscor yet
i've just been leading with rotom frost and a9 for double blizzard spam
with indeedee and sneasler in the back
shadow wind
Been workin?
cyan smelt
yeah, 3/3 so far, only low ladder though
we'll see how i go against tr stuff or other weather
shadow wind
What elo?
cyan smelt
1000s lol
shadow wind
Ooh that is low ladder
cyan smelt
but pengi said to try a team for a few games to see if it's worth pursuing
mint void
From what on would be considered decent on showdown?
cyan smelt
prolly around 1600s in reg h, the ladder is up to high elo atm
damn i lost because i didn't predict a tr
lost to another alolan sandslash
lost to weezing slaking cheese
ok maybe it's not a good team
mint void
Im so close to Master Ball 1k :( Imma go on a loss streak now watch me
Anyway: Guess this teams buggest weakness?
Hint: Part of a Video Game that was super popular in 2020
placid thorn
if its faster outside tw itll be faster in tw with unburden
?
spiral ridge
yeah?
spiral ridge
both double
placid thorn
But not under tr
placid thorn
My bad
spiral ridge
all good love
placid thorn
I can't read anything at 7 am
placid thorn
ah british?
Yea mate
rustic mountain
did u eat toast w/ beans
rustic mountain
spiral ridge
black pudding is tasty though if you know it
rustic mountain
i like beans just some of the combos w/ it there seem weird haha
idk black pudding
spiral ridge
breakfist thing, lots of things in it, all i can say is its unique and smacks with sunny side egg yolk on it
rustic mountain
fair enough will have to try it wen i find myself over there
spiral ridge
most stores sell it p sure
rustic mountain
like internationally?
spiral ridge
dont get it at a restaraunt be a waste 😭
spiral ridge
like internationally?
that i cant comment on but i dont see it in any where im at in the US
i meant like waitrose probably has it
rustic mountain
im in the u.s too i havent seen it either
spiral ridge
yeah
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
dont get it at a restaraunt be a waste 😭
actually dont think ive ever seen it being sold in one lol
i cant remember getting breakfast at restaraunts or anyhting now that i think about it wtf
rustic mountain
-8ball play a few games before crashing?
gentle cragBOT
play a few games before crashing?
:8ball: My reply is no
spiral ridge
teh switch or you 😭
spiral ridge
<:RobinLurk:1220551545633112165>
hihi
rustic mountain
teh switch or you 😭
me lmao
spiral ridge
god bro
i need to do more DAs but no motivation after like 250-300 for lunala
shit took genuinely over a year i think
rustic mountain
oof yea thats rough
spiral ridge
lunala is fucking HARD too man
cyan smelt
ok this team is trash too
rustic mountain
i got lunala in das its more in between id say
not the easiest not the most difficult
spiral ridge
there is like 2 mons that have a physical SE move against it and arent hit for SE back
rustic mountain
i find yveltal, xerneas, kyogre, groudon and zygarde all harder
spiral ridge
its awful
oh god dont say that im doing xerneas next take that the FUCK back
zygarde yeah
craggy dagger
xerneas is annoying to do
spiral ridge
god dammit
rustic mountain
lmao gl, i mean really any path is easy if u get the right mons/moves
craggy dagger
zygarde is like
well i guess we just lose this if we don’t have an ice type
rustic mountain
jus a matter of getting that path and being able to sr on it for a bit
spiral ridge
lmao gl, i mean really any path is easy if u get the right mons/moves
my luck is a travesty both shiny roll and mons i got
thus 250-300
god the AIs i dont even wanna fucking think about how many times they did the most god awful swaps
rustic mountain
lunalas nice cuz wen u have dark or ghost that 4x weakness is great
which ideally u should have atleast 2
spiral ridge
but it has ghost and fairy to hit you right the fuck back
rustic mountain
it does but atleast for dark types the likelihood it uses moonblast consistently is pretty slim
i had something using skitter smack think it was dusclops
nice to have those debuff moves
spiral ridge
really? i get hit with that shit all the fucking time
spiral ridge
i had something using skitter smack think it was dusclops
i started with sleep hex and whatever but mirror armor just made it really annoying
cus it LOVES that move T1
rustic mountain
its ability is shadow shield
rustic mountain
oh
spiral ridge
yeah
sorry
and google is a shitter and idk where to findf move name 😭
MAGIC COAT
it used that all the time when i tried sleeping T1 or 2
rustic mountain
yea it definitely can get annoying i had a few runs get close idt that one i had any 100% path but the few i did find wen going for it was really good success rate i got it pretty quickly tho fortunately
fini was my 300 da run mon but i never got it shiny
had a friend here give me hers
spiral ridge
i had a few 100% paths but id have like 80-100 runs of ore and not get it
and then DROUGHT in between
i ddidnt count those so thats why my number varies so hard cus i genuinely dont know
the times of dread ive scrubbed from my mind lmfao
i had awful luck getting any dark moves as a start, ai swapping start ones theyd get, and just none on my path or just shit
god all the fucking fast assurance users i will never not be salty about that
rustic mountain
i always factor in the ai choices as part of a paths success rate. if the final team thats selected at the end isnt ideal/winning majority of the time im just clearing it
spiral ridge
yeah no 100% i get paths where AIs arent putting squars in teh circle hole
rustic mountain
cuz if u make the same decisions its jus gna be the same from them so u can use it to ur advantage in a sense
spiral ridge
mhm