#competitive_discussion

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near crag
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I thought about talonflame and gengar, but I feel like there are better options, overall

solid frigate
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just use P2 cuz Fari is not as dominant here

molten oasis
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Imprison mindeedee is so funny

torn parrot
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I want a pokemon to one shot raids without me having to put any effort into it

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0 effort

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Does Miraidon one shot nuetral 5 star raids if I give it a choice specs?

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Mission unsuccessful

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The answer is not even close

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One setup move is required 😔

craggy dagger
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fake tears/chi yu teammate-

solid frigate
torn parrot
solid frigate
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i tried it,it does not. for certain types

torn parrot
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Okay it’s time for my quest to grind all popular tms

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Protect

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Knock off

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Every ground move ever

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Every fighting move ever

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Grassy glide

molten oasis
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lol

torn parrot
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Also maybe trick room and Draco metoer

dull ibex
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I think it struggles into double dragon and fire resist heavy teams

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I like deci as my answer to gambit, incin, ursa

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also my answer into volc and prim

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the buzz, bloodmoon, and farig I can do without if necessary

dull ibex
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try it again

torn parrot
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Ohh neat team

dull ibex
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clefable is also on the table

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its not neat yet

torn parrot
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What kind of fire resists you dealing with

dull ibex
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maybe prim is just the answer to double dragon

torn parrot
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That is the straight forward answer could work

dull ibex
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I might replace moon with zoruark

torn parrot
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Tho ursaluna can also brute force yeh dragons since they’re usually so physical

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Nah moon is awesome for this

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Can brute force anything you want

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Works with trick room

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And tailwind

dull ibex
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mine is max speed

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so it works a little less well under tr

torn parrot
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The most replaceable member seems like decidueye

dull ibex
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maybe I can replace deci?

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doesnt earthpower+blood moon answer everything deci does

craggy dagger
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rainbow hidueye…?

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Triple Arrows

Has a 50% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage, a 30% chance to make it flinch, and a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

craggy dagger
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100% def drop, 60% flinch-
YangyangStare
and hidueye gets grass pledge for sea of fire if needed

dull ibex
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wellI think both here might be slightly redudant

torn parrot
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Yeah it’s not gonna do a lot of damage and I don’t think bennifits you much here

dull ibex
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need to improve my rain match up

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So I need to improve my matchups into double dragon and rain

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also maushold pop bomb is rough

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I need moon ideas

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im gonna drop bloodmoon for now

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deci covers more

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the rest of the team needs answers for
Double Dragon
Trick Room
Rain
Pop bomb

dull ibex
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I wonder if i'd be better off with discharge eq hyper ofeense

dull ibex
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it would give me weather control and a better rain matchup as well

molten oasis
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Primarina also can sorta help

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Are you referring to dnite and chomp specifically?

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Or just like, all dragons

dull ibex
molten oasis
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I feel like that’s the best answer then

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Corviknight also works

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Corv hard walls both of them

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Honestly chomp a9 seems like, perfect, tr might just be something you have to play through but also depends on what you’re fighting

dull ibex
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mhm

molten oasis
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What do you got atm?

tulip path
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Guys im trynna get into competitve pokemon can anyone recommend me a team/ a mon i should use in this meta

tulip path
foggy lodge
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Banned in everything that is regulation H

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Everything that uses the reg H ruleset basically

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That means tournaments and in game ladder

tulip path
next stump
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real quick just so we’re all on the same page, are you looking to play VGC (double battles) or singles

tulip path
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Uhh well i dont rlly know

next stump
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do you have any desire to play in person tournaments?

tulip path
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I just watched the vids from wolfe glicke

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He only plays doubles i feel like

next stump
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his videos are all VGC, or double battles

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which is what we all play here

foggy lodge
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VGC is the official format and what is played in tournaments

next stump
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but a lot of people come in wanting to play singles and don’t clarify, so I just wanted to check

tulip path
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Well im extemely new to all this

next stump
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no worries at all, I was in the same boat 3 years ago when I first found Wolfey’s channel

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I had no clue competitive pokemon existed

tulip path
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Also uhh pokemon online is needed right

foggy lodge
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If you want to play ladder yes

next stump
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yes it is, switch online more specifically

tulip path
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And is getting dlc recommended

foggy lodge
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Yeah

next stump
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if you have friends, not 100% necessary but makes life a lot easier

tulip path
tulip path
next stump
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same hahaha I had to convince my friends after they saw what in person tournaments were like

tulip path
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German is the worst place to play pokemon i feel like

next stump
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there’s a strong german VGC scene once you get to know people

tulip path
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Ik but in my school you get laughed at when playing pokemon 0

solid frigate
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besides you could go to European Regionals easier than any other countries

solid frigate
tulip path
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Im 15 bruh im js trynna fight ppl

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Not go to tournaments

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Or atleast yet

solid frigate
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senior division ah ok

tulip path
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What that mean bra

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To get rilla boom and incineroar i do need dlc right

solid frigate
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well we'll get to that later,but if you do not want to be smacked by your classmates,then build up your confidence to play VGC,there's nothing wrong with it i'm 18 and i still play Pokemon

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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TPCi divides the formats considering the age, juniors division i think its like 12 years max, seniors is 16¿ And master is around 17

tulip path
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I cant transfer it from my sword copy to my scarlet copy right

foggy lodge
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Well it divides by the year of birth instead of age

tulip path
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I mean my rilla for exampöe

solid frigate
tulip path
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Oh aigh

solid frigate
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pokemon home can do that

tulip path
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I still gotta start sword💀

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I havent done the first gym

solid frigate
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are you fairly new to the franchise or you just got Pokemon Sword

tulip path
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Franchise

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Lowkey

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Well wait

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I did alredy play through scarlet

solid frigate
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this could be a little bit harder to join VGC since it requires decent understanding but you could ask questions about how does it work or what should i do

tulip path
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Also is the dlc for sword usefull cause my brother bought it some time ago

next stump
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yes, you get legendaries from there that can be annoying to get in violet

solid frigate
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DLC for Both SV and SWSH would recommend to buy it if you do want to fully commit on VGC or just some lore bomb

Personally i'm a fan of both

tulip path
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Sad you cant shiny hunt zacian

solid frigate
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actually-

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you missed the Pokemon Go Shiny Zacian Raids-

tulip path
real prairie
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Or belly drum iron hands

chrome knot
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Zacian is not important its fine

tulip path
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Ts so anoying that i need to have pokemon go and allat

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Well i used to play sum game called brick bronze on roblox

torn parrot
solid frigate
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i think the only Shiny Legendaries you can own legally (Restricted Legends) that are Important is Zamazenta, Kyogre and Maybe Lunala

torn parrot
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maybe if we had dracovish

torn parrot
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And I gave him a choice band

solid frigate
solid frigate
torn parrot
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Nah not even dracovish could do it

foggy lodge
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Wait until Zacian Kyogre in double restricted

solid frigate
tulip path
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Can i even transfer koygre etc back if i alr put them into scarlet?

torn parrot
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Not at all surprised

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My boi goes delete

solid frigate
real prairie
tulip path
solid frigate
tulip path
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Aaaigz

real prairie
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What he said

solid frigate
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the only reason why you can't transfer Home to Pogo cuz some pokemon exceeded the level cap of level 50

tulip path
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Ima go to sleep and then play through sword tmr ig

torn parrot
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eyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

molten oasis
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The only way Zac will truly be viable

foggy lodge
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It's viable in single restricted

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Just not as other restricteds

molten oasis
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I lost to the fucking scarf pelipper shit

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That’s so dumb man

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And sableye

real prairie
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Lost a game to a turn 1 1% pop bomb miss and a blood moon crit

real prairie
molten oasis
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Cuz it’s not good

dull ibex
molten oasis
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It’s just unexpected CTs shit, oh and the rilla had bullet seed

foggy lodge
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Scarf Pelipper won the 1st grand challenge

dull ibex
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not sold on chomp here

molten oasis
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Bloodmoon seems fine

dull ibex
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zoruark is on my mind

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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Why do you have two sash

molten oasis
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I had a good win con if it wasn’t scarf

real prairie
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Back to back turn 1 crits from my opponent

dull ibex
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need a good mon into pop bomb

real prairie
dull ibex
real prairie
molten oasis
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Rough skin

real prairie
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Usually it ends up being a trade though

molten oasis
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It’s a good trade

real prairie
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These crits are pissing me off

molten oasis
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I clicked razor shell 1 time today

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And it fucking MISSES cuz WHY WOULDNT IT

rustic mountain
cyan smelt
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Simply don't miss

real prairie
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There's an item that prevents crits right?

cyan smelt
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Nope only ability

real prairie
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F*ck

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I've had my +6 def arch die twice in 4 matches it's featured to 1st time crits

molten oasis
solid frigate
molten oasis
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It happens but that’s still annoying cuz I totally won that game if it hit

real prairie
strange fjord
tribal garnet
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Is Body press also affected by Iron Defense/boosting defenses or is it just the IVs/EVs that are taken into consideration?

next stump
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boosting defense boosts the damage

tribal garnet
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Okay thank you

mighty stump
silver ravine
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So this is more fringe/meme, but if I wanted to replace Farigiraf with Galar Slowbro or Slowking, which would be better. I just want something that can cancel out other people's trick rooms or use trick room if someone has tailwind up.

molten oasis
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For the meme galar slowbro cuz funny ability

silver ravine
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I like the idea of king as I can always swap it in to win the intimidate war. It also has slightly better offensive stats.

strange fjord
torn parrot
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Yayy I finished the furret team in game

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Now I can make it a rental soon

bold geode
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Got top 4 in a tour

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But guess what
MAYA I LOST TO THE SINISTCHA SHIT I WAS USING FOR LIKE 2 WEEKS

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TOLD YOU TEACUP GOOD

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Tbf I choked G2 so fucking hard

torn parrot
bold geode
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Cuz you did lol

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Or at least heavily incinuated it

torn parrot
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I literally said “team looks great, sinischa feels out of place here tho”

bold geode
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Anyways
I was playing in one turn as if they were Lorb BM Ursa and not AV BM Ursa so that got me

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Could've just Suckered and won the game

torn parrot
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Because i felt it wasn’t really supporting anything on the team with it’s specialties all that much

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And you guys were so offended it was insane

bold geode
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It kinda was helping stuff out

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Just because everything wasn't TR oriented didn't mean it wasn't supporting stuff

torn parrot
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The only mon I could see bennfiiting a little was throat spray primarina

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But that isn’t me saying sinischa is trash

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Sinischa is a great mon

bold geode
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Where was Tailwind?

torn parrot
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This was version drago sent me

bold geode
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That was dumped like immediately

torn parrot
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Okay who cares that was what the convo was about

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I had no idea of any other versions

bold geode
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We showed you other versions lmao
You still were hung up on that version
Not my fault

torn parrot
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I was like cool awesome for every other version

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But you you sir

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Because I said sinischa didn’t fit in this version
You created a narrative that I said it was trash

bold geode
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Nah fam lol

torn parrot
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Yes fam

bold geode
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Nah fam

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Anyways dumped it anyways cuz Kingambit was a bitch

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And Kingambit being a bitch is not ok

torn parrot
bold geode
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Nah fam

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I ain't even gonna continue
On another topic, people were quick on the TCG Pocket tours lol

torn parrot
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your annoying lol see ya

bold geode
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I know

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Yet I'm still here

torn parrot
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Unfortunately

bold geode
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A little parasite that won't go away

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Tofu would agree but he's not here WHEEZE

torn parrot
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Annoying, an unapologetic liar, and stubborn is a crazy combination

bold geode
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👍
I remember

bold geode
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What?

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Tofu is a friend and the person who taught me
Idt joking about Tofu is worshipping him

atomic portal
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tofus good - way better player than i am - but honestly yall been like hard simping him for like months

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such a dumb arguement to say

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tofu would agree

bold geode
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Wow lmao
So me stating an actual fact is simping lol

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Tofu has more experience and is actually better, it's proven
It's not simping, it's reality

craggy dagger
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why are we fighting?

atomic portal
bold geode
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Also like why are you here anyways
This convo had nothing to do with you and you're just taking jabs just cuz

atomic portal
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wouldnt logically - since tofu is on hiatus

bold geode
atomic portal
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that the person with more reg h experience has a say

torn parrot
atomic portal
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ez enough said

bold geode
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Man y'all like a couple of fuckin jesters rn
I ain't got time for all this lmao

atomic portal
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i mean a couple of jesters whos had some legitimate success in current reg

craggy dagger
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FiaSigh
can we drop this please?
if you wanna continue fighting go take it to dms

bold geode
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Yeah yeah wave that success thing right in my face cool

craggy dagger
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nobody else needs to see this catfight you three are putting up

bold geode
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Simping pretty hard yourself
I see a pot in the room

atomic portal
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honestly its just disrespectful to @ someone to do a i told u so

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so imma call it out-

bold geode
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I didn't @ her?

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I said it
She read it and responded
Maybe check your facts before you come in here and try to insult me with half baked roasts

atomic portal
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i aint like yall gen z mfs - this aint a roast

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u know what u were tryna do

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its petty and rude lol

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u aint do a literal @ but i mean u called them out by name

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lmao

bold geode
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Yeah imma block y'all now
This argument is just not worth my time
Have fun looking at my shit for the next few months stalking me like you did with JaySP for whatever reason

atomic portal
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kk

cyan smelt
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what a garbage fire of an argument

atomic portal
craggy dagger
bold geode
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I need to sleep for doctor's appointment but me no cleepy

cyan smelt
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i've been looking at my teambuilding and realising i am very stubborn and rigid when it comes to teambuilding, maybe it's the 'tism

craggy dagger
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rainbow fickle beam

atomic portal
craggy dagger
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no i agree with that.
it is quite petty to bring up something from a while ago to rub it in someone’s face-
but it’s not helping your case when you misread everything RobinShrug

bold geode
atomic portal
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honestly even if i misunderstood im cool

cyan smelt
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like i invariably tend to choose stuff like kingambit and rilla and skeledirge even if they're not performing well

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sneasler is everywhere so those three are no good

cyan smelt
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then i probably need to play to their strengths more

bold geode
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But also just find something that's good into Sneasler
Plenty of stuff for that

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Loaded Dice mons are going around rn

cyan smelt
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i still want to try tentacruel

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tentacruel and gliscor seem good

bold geode
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You can do that
If it brings the value that you need, try it out
Why Showdown is here
Trial and error can be a bitch sometimes, but it can also pave a way to insight

cyan smelt
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just really not sure about what item for tentacruel, mika showed me a regional team with tentacruel in it but it had cloak and gliscor has cloak

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and moves as well

bold geode
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Gliscor can use other items like Sash/ I think one used AV before

craggy dagger
cyan smelt
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honestly feel like going back to poison heal SD

craggy dagger
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it’s made to be not functional robin_wheeze

bold geode
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This shit is normal for you
I'm worried

craggy dagger
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worried-?

bold geode
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Wait Perish Song Krow
Why do you do this to me KekHands

craggy dagger
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hehehehehehehhehehehe

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just to force switches

bold geode
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Also did you take my Prim spread CB_wheeze

cyan smelt
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zard with no sunny day?

craggy dagger
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maybeeeeeeee LappWorried
guilty as charged

craggy dagger
bold geode
craggy dagger
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scarf hyphlosion wouldn’t be too bad
maybe we don’t use hydrapple though?

cyan smelt
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why not cinderace, it's faster than zard

craggy dagger
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i wanna have some fun with rainbow/pledge combos

bold geode
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Me when y'all figure out that that spread was made for a Lorb and is actually suboptimal

craggy dagger
tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace
Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

bold geode
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I'll be back

cyan smelt
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blaziken is frail too

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 6: Charizard
Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/84/78/109/85/100

Total

534

Other Formes

Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y

craggy dagger
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i mean libero is nice but if i’m running 2 fire moves YangyangStare

cyan smelt
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delphox?

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i'm gonna try gliscor with adrenaline orb lol

craggy dagger
cyan smelt
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just watch out for sucker punch

craggy dagger
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how’s hyphlosion usage lately-

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ehhh it wouldn’t matter
phox is faster

cyan smelt
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scarf hyphlosion is faster but yeah

craggy dagger
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wait wouldn’t blazi technically be better cause i can protect T1 for a speed boost-
or upper hand for fake outs and fire pledge at +1 next turn-

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i’ll try phox for now

cyan smelt
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Does hyphlosion get upper hand

craggy dagger
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nope i don’t think so?

bold geode
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Anyways me go Nini now

cyan smelt
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Nope it doesn't

bold geode
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Nini Nova

craggy dagger
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gnnnnn bestie

cyan smelt
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I think it's only infernape and Blaziken

craggy dagger
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that makes sense

tiny karmaBOT
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Incineroar's moveset:
Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bind, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Covet, Cross Chop, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leech Life, Lick, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Outrage, Pay Day, Power Trip, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Thrash, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Leer, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Protect, Quash, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Incineroar.

craggy dagger
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awww dang-
imagine if incin learned upper hand robin_wheeze

cyan smelt
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Why does alolan raichu get upper hand lol

mighty stump
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Where would it use it

craggy dagger
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hm?
incin upper hand?
idk i just think it would be funny blondenekogiggle
incin already suffers from 6 moves 4 slots syndrome

mighty stump
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4mss yea

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Like it doesn’t even stop FO that well if the other party is faster

craggy dagger
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i thought upper hand was +4?

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

craggy dagger
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oh nvm

mighty stump
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If it was +4 I would have 0 complaints and probably love to have it

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I see more scenarios FO would be useful consistently rather than more specific ones where you have to depend on an Upper Hand “mindgame”

craggy dagger
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that’s fair

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upper hand is always a gamble

cyan smelt
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Only mon I've ever seen it on was weavile

craggy dagger
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is serene grace + rainbow additive or multiplicative-

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let’s say 30% chance to para-
does that become-
ok nvm i answered my own question-

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120% chance to para doesn’t seem right

cyan smelt
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Are you thinking about using dudunsparce or sawsbuck

torn parrot
craggy dagger
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dudunsparce-
thinking something like body slam, poison jab, yawn and protect?

cyan smelt
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Why not rock slide

craggy dagger
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urshifu doesn’t exist so i’m safe to go protect in dudunsparce

cyan smelt
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And glare

craggy dagger
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it gets rock slide oop-

cyan smelt
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Paraflinching dudunsparce

craggy dagger
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body slam though

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Body Slam

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target. Damage doubles and no accuracy check is done if the target has used Minimize while active.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

cyan smelt
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Hyper drill is better

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Goes through protect

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So you could fake out then follow up with hyper drill

craggy dagger
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i might as well as go both then-
hyper drill being my only stab and i only have 8 uses feels off for me

cyan smelt
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How many times will you need to use it though vs rock slide and glare

craggy dagger
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true true

cyan smelt
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With hyper drill there's mind games and you put your opponent in a position where they can't protect

craggy dagger
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am i even picking up KOs with it though-

cyan smelt
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If you double up sure

craggy dagger
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cuz it’s base 55 speed RappaDead

cyan smelt
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Tr?

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252 jolly under tw reaches 237

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224

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234 sorry

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It's still pretty slow though yeah so maybe it's better to invest in bulk

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100 attack is pretty ok

craggy dagger
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Dudunsparce @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Hyper Drill
  • Rock Slide
  • Glare
  • Protect
cyan smelt
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Might need more special bulk

craggy dagger
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196 speed gets me to 100 speed

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might just run a tailwind setter and less speed on this thing

cyan smelt
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Glare is a form of speed control remember

craggy dagger
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oh that’s right-
para is a speed control

cyan smelt
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Also I can't remember, king's rock doesn't stack with serene grace does it

craggy dagger
cyan smelt
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Not with moves that have a chance to flinch

craggy dagger
cyan smelt
#

How about scale shot loaded dice on dnite

strange fjord
#

Population Bomb with King's Rock and hitting all 10 times (with Gravity or Sweet Scent) only gives a 65% chance to flinch. Which is less than I thought it would be.

cyan smelt
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Broken move

strange fjord
cyan smelt
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Yeah but can maushold paraflinch

strange fjord
#

Serene Grace Rock Slide would be better since its spread (assuming everyone gets outsped)

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but also

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Pop Bomb damage

cyan smelt
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Hyper drill + glare + rock slide is a pretty potent combo

molten oasis
#

what we cookin

cyan smelt
#

Nova was cooking dudunsparce + pledge team

dull ibex
#

What does coaching do for p2?

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Doesn't it want special attack

cyan smelt
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I want to try nova's team just to see how it does

strange fjord
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or im assuming

dull ibex
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Oh ig it doesn't need to be special

cyan smelt
#

So whether tera blast is physical or special depends on which stat is higher?

strange fjord
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yes

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only when tera'd tho

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otherwise it stays special

cyan smelt
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That's why it's so good on p2 because it becomes stab if it doesn't tera

craggy dagger
#

def not easy to play tho cuz it heavily relies on pledge

molten oasis
dull ibex
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OK I just need to find someone to put coaching on my sneasler(s)

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And it add it to my teams

craggy dagger
molten oasis
#

that hurt to read

molten oasis
dull ibex
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Well all of them with sneasler

molten oasis
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like the time you wrecked me with lugia lol

dull ibex
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I don't use fake out

molten oasis
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i think coaching/throat chop sets are better

dull ibex
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Me when no dlc 😦

molten oasis
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lmao

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uh, you have chomp right?

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chomp's a great partner for coaching stuff

dull ibex
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One of my teams does

molten oasis
#

what are you running currently?

dull ibex
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I'm going back to p2 ursa for now

molten oasis
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ah, yea sneasler's decent there too

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good, actually lol

dull ibex
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What does it do on this tr team

mighty stump
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Fake Out, Coaching, improves your MU against Gambit and Archa

dull ibex
#

What does coaching do

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As far as archa and gambit go fair enough I didn't consider that

craggy dagger
dull ibex
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Tera flying coaching could be good under tr

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Immune to quake boost Luna

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BTW I keep swapping teams because I try a new six

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Fail then go back to two or three comfort teams

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P2 ursa, pult balance, and raid boss

molten oasis
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are you learning from it?

cyan smelt
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tera fighting p2 for gambit and arch

craggy dagger
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3 missed rock slides, 3 flinches follow YangyangStare

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also i prolly don’t have to run pledge anymore cuz rock slide + serene grace + rainbow don’t stack

cyan smelt
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why were they running lanturn

gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
mighty stump
craggy dagger
dull ibex
mighty stump
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You want Sneasler to Tera Fly just to click Coaching in TR?

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More broadly why do you think Coaching would be good

dull ibex
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On this team I have no idea.

mighty stump
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Why do you think Coaching is good in general

dull ibex
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I was thinking of just keeping pelipper since I don't

dull ibex
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I get why coaching is good just p2 ursa doesn't have a ton of candidates

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Ig the defense boosts help a ton against common threats as well

cyan smelt
#

Nova you could even run special dudunsparce with air slash, glare and some other special move

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Ooh air slash glare and hex

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But its physical attack is better than its special

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Ok so I'm gonna use dudunsparce too so now I have rilla, gliscor, gambit, tentacruel and dudunsparce and I just need a 6th

dull ibex
#

I considered annihilape coaching instead

tawdry yarrow
#

did new ha on empoleon change anything for him on pvp?

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is it good or bad

next stump
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much better for VGC

real prairie
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oh nvm, i forgot it only boosts the 1st flinch

real prairie
#

having a lot more success on ladder now dropping pelipper for murkrow

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manual rain just ends the weather wars

cyan smelt
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nice

chrome knot
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@mighty stump trick or treat!!!

mighty stump
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IN TRICK ROOM

chrome knot
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oaahhh

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rats ive been in this before

real prairie
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its fine, take this after you clodsire to protect you

chrome knot
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its fine my team is naturally insanely slow GiggleHehe

cyan smelt
#

ok dudunsparce might actually be good?

cyan smelt
#

take a shower monke

bold geode
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No Emma the stinky one

real prairie
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was running Scizor but find im not clicking into it much

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although im tempted to run Illumise over Murkrow for Sweet Scent

cyan smelt
#

dudunsparce is actually working decently well, it has good synergy with tentacruel, tentacruel lowers accuracy with muddy water then dudunsparce comes in with rock slide to flinch

craggy dagger
torn parrot
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This is one of those wake up feeling sick days

cyan smelt
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actually i'm not doing so great with it

craggy dagger
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robin_wheeze
it’s not that good of a. mon.
it just exists

umbral olive
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It serves no purpose

torn parrot
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Bulky as hell

cyan smelt
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i'm sick of bo1 cheese, just lost to mach punch pawmot

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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i probably need to replace dudunsparce

torn parrot
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): aw

primal needle
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Anyone kind enough to lecture me in competitive pokemon? Really interested in just dont know how or where to start with it

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Also new acc so hello

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😁

bold geode
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Were you looking at the VGC format? (Doubles)

primal needle
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Jah. I really just got the spark to randomly be interested in this

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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a crap team

bold geode
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So first off it's like
It's good to have knowledge, we actually have a lot of resources in the pins I'm finna link. It may not be electrifying to look at em, but it really helps
Also I'd look around for rental teams at first just to like get to know it cuz once again competitive is like a whole other monster

gentle cragBOT
#

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

primal needle
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Ong. Thanks bro 😁❤️

cyan smelt
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my team is gliscor, tentacruel, rilla, kingambit, skeledirge and dudunsparce

primal needle
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Really became confused right at the step of how can i predict my enemies next turn

torn parrot
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With some experience

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For now click moves to kill

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And see what happens

bold geode
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Also don't get discouraged right away if you're bad
It can definitely take a minute lol

torn parrot
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I started competitive with 30% gxe

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And 200 games 😭

primal needle
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Agreed. Still struggling doing a planned attack. Lmao still need to learn how to properly distribute and what items to choose. And the meta.....

torn parrot
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That’s why yoinking teams is best like monkey said

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Your diving into things you can’t comprehend yet

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I recommend a dondozo tatsu team
It’s super straight forward and simple for new players

primal needle
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Wait, its this deep? 😭

cyan smelt
#

what about mausape

torn parrot
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That’s a little harder but also easy

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Yeah

torn parrot
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You’ll be fine

primal needle
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This makes me more interested lol

cyan smelt
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i'm keeping tentacruel, muddy water accuracy drop is too valuable

torn parrot
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A defog tailwind ( to lower evasiveness for dunsparce and also remove terrain)

Give it air slash

Air slash rockslide air slash rockslide

Profit

And then an earthquaker taking advantage if no grassy terrain cus of defog

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Heh….

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True stupid gimmick

But honestly defog might be a legit move

primal needle
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How do yall figure out the best moves 😅😭
Yall might be my idols soon till i become as good

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Or like moves that are valid for/per team

cyan smelt
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yeah but that would involve making dudunsparce a mixed attacker

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also welcome

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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rock slide, glare, hyper drill, protect

primal needle
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Aight

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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air slash and rock slide means making dudunsparce a mixed attacker

torn parrot
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Oh no

cyan smelt
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or i could go for ancient power cheese

torn parrot
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I mean air slash on the tailwind setter

cyan smelt
#

how about kilowattrel

torn parrot
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Air slash rockslide lmao

Double flinch moves

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I got womped by that once

cyan smelt
#

dundunsparce does struggle against grass types

torn parrot
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Wouldn’t it struggle more against like a gholdengo

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Eeeeitherrr way

cyan smelt
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yeah it does as well

torn parrot
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That’s just an idea for a little cheese team

cyan smelt
#

gholdengo is rough

torn parrot
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How about bringing something that kills gholdengo then

cyan smelt
#

gambit?

torn parrot
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Yeah that would work

cyan smelt
#

someone just used wonder room mismagius, like what?

torn parrot
#

Wow that’s a pretty useless move

cyan smelt
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was it to give arch more sp def, idk?

torn parrot
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honestly you could even give him a choice scarf and make him purely an rng machine if you wanted to

cyan smelt
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dudun?

torn parrot
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Yeah

cyan smelt
#

well it does get drill run

torn parrot
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I think it has two interesting strats

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Choice scarf lottery machine

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And calm mind boomburst

cyan smelt
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i want serene grace hax

torn parrot
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Let’s try choice scarf

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With murkrow

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That has dark pulse and air slash

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Hahahahahahhaha

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Honestly screw the defog idea

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Wait wait

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Wait wait wait wait wait

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Give the murkrow thunder wave

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Make their life hell

cyan smelt
#

does serene grace apply if the partner paralyses

torn parrot
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seren grace doesn’t affect para

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It’s just more bullshit on top of the flinches

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lol

cyan smelt
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oh i thought it did

torn parrot
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It probably feels that way

cyan smelt
#

paraflinching is funny

torn parrot
#

Oh wait both these mons should be ghost tera

tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Defog

Lowers the target's evasiveness by 1 stage. If this move is successful and whether or not the target's evasiveness was affected, the effects of Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil, Safeguard, Mist, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the target's side, and the effects of Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Sticky Web end for the user's side. Ignores a target's substitute, although a substitute will still block the lowering of evasiveness. If there is a terrain active and this move is successful, the terrain will be cleared.

Type

Flying

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

cyan smelt
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murkow, gambit, dudun

torn parrot
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Murkrow has two flinch moves

They’ll never be able to break through

real prairie
cyan smelt
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unless they have gambit or incin

torn parrot
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Yeyeyeey nobody thought of it on talaonflame garchomp teams

real prairie
torn parrot
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but uh i saw someone doing that bullshit up high

real prairie
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i was just looking at ways to reduce evasion to improve the accuracy of Muddy water on my Ludicolo

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may just run surf and put the slug as my 6th mon

torn parrot
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could just run weather ball

torn parrot
real prairie
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plus the off chance i lose weather i lose water stab

torn parrot
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hm

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can guy even get double kos

real prairie
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yeah, tera water life orb muddy water is picking up KOs

torn parrot
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gothca

cyan smelt
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It doesn't get headbutt but it does get body slam

torn parrot
real prairie
torn parrot
tiny karmaBOT
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Item: King's Rock

Holder's attacks without a chance to make the target flinch gain a 10% chance to make the target flinch. Evolves Poliwhirl into Politoed and Slowpoke into Slowking when traded.

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Item: Razor Fang

Holder's attacks without a chance to make the target flinch gain a 10% chance to make the target flinch. Evolves Gligar into Gliscor when held and leveled up during the night.

torn parrot
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first he has to go first tho

real prairie
torn parrot
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that shit womped me one time

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next to a bloodmoon

real prairie
#

it can really cook you if you get caught offguard

cyan smelt
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Oh it's an egg move that's why

torn parrot
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rest of the team is your call

cyan smelt
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Need something for electric and fighting types

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And ground

torn parrot
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your fine against ground

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the synergy matters the most

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try adding like a gholdengo

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or an earthquaker

cyan smelt
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Chomp might be good

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Chomp and gholdengo maybe

craggy dagger
#

we’re cooking a dudunsparce-?

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i was thinking serene grace tailwind hurricane-

chrome knot
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@craggy dagger TRICK OR TREATTTT

torn parrot
#

@cyan smelt

cyan smelt
#

Add gambit and tentacruel and I think it looks good

craggy dagger
torn parrot
#

at this point i dont even think you need gambit

cyan smelt
#

I've liked the muddy water accuracy drops

torn parrot
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only the muddy water?

cyan smelt
#

Sludge bomb and tera blast ground does decent damage too

torn parrot
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ah i see its that one toedscruel

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sure we add for funzies

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i meant tenta cruel

cyan smelt
#

Yeah the one from the regional

craggy dagger
#

anyone know a good dragonite spread-
tryna run multiscale loaded dice

torn parrot
craggy dagger
torn parrot
#

TWO HUNDRED

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FIFTY TWO

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TWO HUNDRED

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FIFTY TWO

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FOUR

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your welcome thank me always

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i do all ev spreads

craggy dagger
bold geode
real prairie
#

Leakers have exposed what is under mimikyu disguise and people hate it but I think it's kinda cute

craggy dagger
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tbf it was in the sun moon anime for like
5 frames underwater

torn parrot
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Oh that’s cute

real prairie
#

How do I put a spoiler post lol

torn parrot
#

why would anyone hate that

real prairie
torn parrot
#

Nah don’t post

real prairie
#

But twitter don't like it at all

craggy dagger
real prairie
#

But then doesn't shock me when it comes to ghost types

real prairie
craggy dagger
#

Its actual appearance is unknown. A scholar who saw what was under its rag was overwhelmed by terror and died from the shock.

A gust of wind revealed what hides under this Pokémon's rag to a passing Trainer, who went home and died painfully that very night.

real prairie
#

Leakers getting all this information but still no diglett

real prairie
craggy dagger
#

so true

real prairie
#

This response on twitter is brilliant

torn parrot
#

Like madusa

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Probably is not literally scary
Just has the power to make you scared of it

craggy dagger
chrome knot
real prairie
dull ibex
#

Doing Tera flying and coaching sneasler now

craggy dagger
#

tera flying is interesting

solid frigate
#

i usually just go Tera Dark but Flying?

dull ibex
#

ursaluna

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garchomp

solid frigate
#

fair point

torn parrot
#

Hello garchompo

real prairie
#

Why do so many people think Ludicolo is a physical attacker?

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Someone just tricked their choice specs onto my Ludicolo and then put up a reflect

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I just nuked with rain specs muddy water

torn parrot
#

guy does not look like he's hitting things with his hands

real prairie
real prairie
#

Not the first time they have chosen to run reflect in front of him instead of light screen

torn parrot
#

they wanted to give you a specs

solid frigate
#

welcome to CTS where people doing bullshit stuff

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 272: Ludicolo
Types

Water/Grass

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rain Dish, Own Tempo (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/70/90/100/70

Total

480

solid frigate
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ok yeah people who called Ludicolo a Phys attacker are trolls

cyan smelt
#

I love ludicolo

chrome knot
#

unlocked new favourite thing

clever parcel
solid frigate
#

whatever

cyan smelt
#

Muddy water and what else

solid frigate
#

Ice Beam or energy Ball

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and then Protect

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or Leaf Storm if you don't care the stat drops

rustic mountain
tawdry yarrow
#

what pokemon in scarlet have unaware ability?

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i thought slowbro had it apparently it doesn't

solid frigate
tawdry yarrow
#

quagsire bigdoof cleafable

solid frigate
#

S k e l e d i r g e

tawdry yarrow
#

does it?

solid frigate
#

its literally using it in Competitive

tawdry yarrow
#

didn't know that

rustic mountain
#

dozo also a pretty common user of it

molten oasis
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

It killed me looking through pictures to use for tee ko

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So I tried to draw it

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I’d post it but uh, let’s not lol

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

It has the n word implied on it

solid frigate
#

ok fair

torn parrot
#

oh my god its 2 am I literally thought it was 2 pm until I walked outside and it was pitch black I was about to get lunch

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I fell asleep too early…

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This has never happened before

lofty tartan
#

3am for me. Two hours til the end of my shift

torn parrot
#

Guess I got 10 hours to spend

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😭

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Wonder what to do

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Just glad I didn’t take my meds

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I need something TO DO

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IM NOCTURNAL NOW until I fix my bed time tomorow

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I’ll literally just watch House MD until the day starts

molten oasis
real prairie
real prairie
real prairie
torn parrot
#

Pizza is defintely one of the most wholesome competitive players

real prairie
# cyan smelt Muddy water and what else

A Hyper Cutter Gliscor with Choice Band alongside snow won a 100+ player online tournament in Generation 9 Scarlet & Violet Regulation H. 2020 LAIC VGC Champion & 3rd Place at both the 2019 and 2022 Pokemon VGC World Championships tries out Tera Ice Gliscor in Snow.

00:00 - Introduction
00:10 - Team Breakdown & Rental
07:16 - Game 1
18:31 - Gam...

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bold geode
real prairie
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ive done that once before, i was up 4 days straight. eventually crashed and fell asleep Friday night, woke up Sunday daytime thinking it was still Friday

bold geode
#

My guy what

real prairie
#

yep, lost about 32 hours

torn parrot
torn parrot
bold geode
dull ibex
#

weegeecee

torn parrot
#

I take back my “tru tru”, weavile being hard countered is super untrue

Thinking its hard countered just cus its weak to fighting i disagree with

If both are sash or Sneasler is unburden weavile kills through sash with triple axel

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Weavile can fake out before Sneasler

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Hmph

mighty stump
#

1:1s always suck

bold geode
#

Hey Tofu

solid frigate
#

Hoi Tofu and Monke

bold geode
#

Bro didn't even say bye this time

bold geode
solid frigate
#

(all my gun stickers are water types-)

real prairie
solid frigate
#

Literally me but add the science autism

torn parrot
#

There’s something wrong with you if you can tell your body not to sleep for 4 days

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Like medically wrong with you

foggy lodge
real prairie
real prairie
#

Did 3 days no sleep 2 years ago when I had to move house over 2 days

torn parrot
#

I guess underestimating the power of caffeine is a mistake

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But would probably damage your brain

real prairie
torn parrot
#

You were right I’m really bored

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It’s not really sour just bored

#

The first part was okay enough

real prairie
#

This the flash?

lofty tartan
#

I once stayed awake so long in Kansas that I experienced vivid hallucinations - the street had turned to black water.

Stingers are bad, kids.

molten oasis
polar canyon
#

Team got to 1500 with very few losses I think I'm building it for in game ranked ladder

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Proving the froslass doubters wrong fr

cyan smelt
#

@real prairie very interesting team ty

gentle cragBOT
spiral ridge
#

Jet set radio post

torn parrot
molten oasis
#

Murkrow felt like shit

torn parrot
#

Dayum

molten oasis
#

Like

torn parrot
#

Garchapo felt bad too?

molten oasis
#

It just sits on the field and exists after it clicks tw half the time

#

Chomp didn’t feel like it was acomplishinf anything

torn parrot
#

Did you try brave bird murkrow

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For decent damage

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Into volc

#

Uhmmmmm

foggy lodge
#

Ain't no way

#

Maybe i found the team finally

#

Excadrill Tytar😭

torn parrot
#

This team is super offensive so it seems like tailwind would feel natural

#

Hmmm

foggy lodge
#

I'm starting to like it i finally feel like i have speed conteol

#

And weather control

#

And terrain control

thin verge
#

Which ability is most useful on amoongus?

foggy lodge
#

Regenerator

chrome knot
#

effect spore

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

L

bold geode
#

I predicted BM Ursa to Protect twice in a row
|| It was AV || KekHands

spiral ridge
#

Bro…

#

OTS?

bold geode
#

I forgor lol

#

Yes I forgot and assumed it was Lorb even though the Prim they had was Lorb CB_wheeze

#

It tera Ghosted too
I failed to Sucker it twice

spiral ridge
#

So

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Not only did their move sheet say no protect

#

It was incapable of using that move

spiral ridge
bold geode
#

It was 12:30 AM okay
My ass was in autopilot

bold geode
#

I was predicting Protect on something that couldn't Protect KekHands

spiral ridge
#

Oh fail usually means you tried and it failed

bold geode
#

No
What's worse is that I was gonna Sucker it once and just said nah

spiral ridge
#

You’re a weird critter bro

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And you helped teach me this game

bold geode
#

At that point I was basically just gaslighting myself that it had it

spiral ridge
#

Shows what I went through

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

Fuck I did lose to you that one time

bold geode
#

LMAO

spiral ridge
#

But that was off a roll wasn’t it

#

So like we even

bold geode
#

Did I have my Infernape team for that or

spiral ridge
#

Man I don’t remember shit about yesterday

#

And that was a while ago atp

bold geode
#

Actually I remember I did lol

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You got beat by that unoptimal ass team

spiral ridge
#

Pretty sure I was using a weird team too no?

bold geode
#

You were using Psyspam KekCry

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Like straight up just Psyspam

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I can probably find the replay

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Man this is basically like when Peter Griffin beat that black belt in karate

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I'm shitting on a child rn

spiral ridge
#

WHERE I NEVER USED THE PSYSPAM MODE CUS I HATED IT

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:3

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

Look

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I have no defense idk why I used that team so long

bold geode
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Also Scotty

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Why didn't you tell me the Rizzler was a real human being?

spiral ridge
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What????

bold geode
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He looks like if one of the Sopranos forgot to do Weightwatchers

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Point is Scotty

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HE'S A FUCKING CHILD

spiral ridge
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Oh him yeah he came after the word I think

bold geode
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I hope so

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Otherwise I have a lot of explaining to do about singing that one song

spiral ridge
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He’s a child

chrome knot
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@spiral ridge JJST PUT EVERYONE IN MY GODDAMN BACKPACK

spiral ridge
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Huh?

plain drum
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This is crazy out of context

chrome knot
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i went 100+ on nuketown hardpoint :3

spiral ridge
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oahhhh

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mimipat good job

chrome knot
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now im so eeppyyyyy

spiral ridge
spiral ridge
chrome knot
plain drum
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It’s not where I’m going RWalkFast

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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cx

bold geode
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Nuh Uh

plain drum
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Monke come be pumpkin

bold geode
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Pumpkins are thicc

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Just like me

plain drum
summer shore
bold geode
summer shore
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It is

molten oasis
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why are you all orange

bold geode
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Hello @summer shore

summer shore
bold geode
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How has one been

summer shore
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Its finals time

plain drum
summer shore
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Both for league and for uni

plain drum
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Glhf Shiro

molten oasis
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ah

bold geode
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I'm tryna guess pumpkin sizes but they all look pretty big

summer shore
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I have a lot of lectures to watch

bold geode
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They're saying small but they're huge bro

molten oasis
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how get

bold geode
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You gotta guess sizes of pumpkins bro

molten oasis
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where?

bold geode
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In the Halloween discussion

plain drum
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Event category might be hidden because of Discord’s decision to hide channels from people so in case it is, #eid_art_discussion is a good place to find pumpkins SCyes

craggy dagger
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boo?

molten oasis
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im orange now hehe

bold geode
torn parrot
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I wanna be a color

cyan smelt
dull ibex
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Neat

torn parrot
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Yay

bold geode
lofty tartan
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👀

bold geode
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(I'm not lol)

solid frigate
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lol

dull ibex
rustic mountain
mighty stump
dull ibex
spiral ridge
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Economic collapse levels of drop

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Great Depression drop of expectations if it’s monkey

torn parrot
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Byaaaa

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Boo

bold geode
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I love how I am gonna miss out on Master Ball tonight cuz a DC didn't count

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Yeah that's fuckin stupid

dull ibex
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I'm just glad my games didn't dc me. Like they usually do

torn parrot
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You super last minuted wow

cyan smelt
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Insane that a title like pokemon still has DC issues

bold geode
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And imma just quit til tomorrow
Always a problem
Get to ultra and then getting out of it is hell, something always happens
I just hate that the thing this time is a fucking DC that just did not count

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This game can eat my ass, goodnight y'all

molten oasis
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think im back to searcing the builder

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fresh start

knotty mirage
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Man i really hate pushing on ladder this reg there too much cheeky strat i just want my herba mystica SadMimi

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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I like the gliscor team that James baek featured

molten oasis
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i wish i knew how to build a team that isnt dysfunctional, or doesn't have something completely wrong with it

mighty stump
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Sometimes the answer is the simplest solution

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Additionally the simplest plays is usually the correct one too

molten oasis
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fair enough, still dissapointed, like i feel like i keep overthinking things and then when i dont i missed some big thing, like something's always flawed

torn parrot
cyan smelt
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CB gliscor is something that never occurred to me

torn parrot
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It’s an interesting way to make it an immediate threat

cyan smelt
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And you can U turn if rilla is there

molten oasis
torn parrot
cyan smelt
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Do you think I should try blizzard a9 and blizzard tentacruel

molten oasis
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cuz idk how to patch the remaining holes or theres something i didn't account for

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and i have to do ALL of this by myself

cyan smelt
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Well what are you currently thinking of, might be good to have someone to bounce ideas off

molten oasis
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idk

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cuz im starting fresh, like, i like a9, but why not use a9 with the chua 6

cyan smelt
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I guess you've tried a9 bax

molten oasis
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a9 bax isnt good