#competitive_discussion

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solid frigate
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could HO Samurott work or just mainly Fit on Balance Teams

foggy lodge
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i think water types aren't the call right now

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like they are fine but they are not super necessary on a team

torn parrot
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I think fighting is literally the most in demand type of reg H

molten oasis
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We only need 1

chrome knot
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top cut cup in US ^-^

solid frigate
molten oasis
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And gambit

dull ibex
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Go crazy? Nah but it has a place

dull ibex
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Necessary probably not but very much wanted

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yeah this is just worse then prim LMAO

torn parrot
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But it’s good into psyspammm

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And gholdengo

dull ibex
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thats not good enough tbh

strange fjord
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what is good enough?

dull ibex
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not samurott

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not to be good, if you want a functional team its fine?

strange fjord
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yeah i guess if you want to win world championships then yeah, you might not look at samurott as the best option

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depends on what your goal is

dull ibex
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well looking at the meta is only natural this is a competitive chat tbf

strange fjord
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yeah but not everyone at the competitive chat is aiming for worlds. could be something like top 500 on showdown ladder

dull ibex
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I hope that doesnt come out wrong

dull ibex
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I think its fine on the team its on because it feels a very very specific role

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its not going to be good on just any team

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its one of those mons that aren't unusable but really need to be needed on the team

torn parrot
dull ibex
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it can be carried

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thats about as much as credit as ill give it

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its fine, but not the most viable thing in the world

surreal echo
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many of those pokemon have extra utility while also hitting harder

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sharpness is nice, but if you want a sharpness mon you can use gallade

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hits harder, way bulkier on the special side, has wide guard and feint

torn parrot
surreal echo
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if you want a dark-type attacker, use kingambit

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if you want a dark-type ultility mon, use the cat

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also samurott's utility is pretty poor anyways, pretty much the only utility moves it has are taunt and encore

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if you want that combo just use whimsicott

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not saying you shouldn't try to make it work, if you are skilled enough you could probably make it to top 100

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but in doing so you have to accept the fact that using h-samurott will be worse off than using something else

torn parrot
molten oasis
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It is narrow

torn parrot
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It’s not bad a thing to be creative and explore options, if people thought “why use this when I can use (insert top usage pokemon)”

Then you wouldn’t have a fucked up top cut specs weezing toesdschrool team at a regional

surreal echo
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That wasn’t what I was trying to say, though I guess looking back that’s probably what it sounded like

torn parrot
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I see my bad for misunderstanding

chrome knot
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@torn parrot gib me more luckkkkk

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i lost in t8 bc low eq roll ;c so only +25cp today for t8 in cup

chrome knot
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I DONT WANT THAT

strange fjord
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too much luck. they'll accidentally win the lottery

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(they win a free ticket from the scratch card)

surreal echo
# torn parrot Hisuian sammurott is not the strongest or a better option overall in as vaccum, ...

Hisuian Samurott can do things better than other Pokemon, I won’t deny that. It can hit quite hard, and basically hard counters gholdengo, kingambit, and basculegion. However, it also has enough weaknesses that make it a liability to bring in most situations. For one, thanks to Incineroar and Paldean Tauros you’re basically forced to run Clear Amulet. Normally this wouldn’t be a bad thing since Gallade, Garchomp, and other physical attackers do the same thing. However, it does mean you lose out on offensive power you would get from an item, which is something you do kind of need when you’re operating off of a 108 base attack stat. Archaludon, Rillaboom, Amoonguss, Primarina, and the plethora of Fighting-types that are beginning to rise in the meta also give it major issues. This is why unless you have a team specifically engineered to bring out the best in Hisuian Samurott specifically, it will underperform. It’s still possible to do well with it, just like with pretty much every other Pokemon, but needs its teammates to do a lot more heavy lifting to cover for its faults. Personally, I just can’t see it “going crazy” like you said.

gentle cragBOT
surreal echo
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Alright, going to bed.

torn parrot
# surreal echo Hisuian Samurott can do things better than other Pokemon, I won’t deny that. It ...

I like to exaggerate when I say things like “going crazy”, but I don’t disagree with you. The thing I’m trying to say that I didn’t really communicate well is that of the niche pokémon, Hisuian Sammurott is going to be much easier to find a team it excells on because it’s lucky enough to have a strong ability and actual positive matchups matchups into the strong stuff. Which is something you can’t say for a ton of other picks, so that’s why I beleive in it being able to succeed. But I am aware that a lot of mons just can’t keep up and become a liability anywhere else except for their one or two desired teams.

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And some mons are just irredeemable straight up.

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But either way I like to see what mons can do, I like to see what they can bring to the table

foggy lodge
chrome knot
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YEAH ABSOLUTELY NOT

bold geode
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Uh
UH
I CAST CROWBAR smacks kneecaps

surreal echo
surreal echo
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K now I’m actually going to sleep this time

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 998: Baxcalibur
Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Thermal Exchange, Ice Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/145/92/75/86/87

Total

600

foggy lodge
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Ain't no fucking way lmao

dull ibex
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yeah it hard counters those mon and thats why its on the tournament teams its on

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I just mean its not going to be something you slap on for a generic reason

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its not good enough to just carry the water or dark type role for instance

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but also

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samurott is just sharpness, it runs three sharpness moves with coverage and a pivot move

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if it was just torrent it wouldn't even fill the niche it does now because its damage potential would plummet

dull ibex
torn parrot
dull ibex
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I think if people show me a team without asking for any feedback I won't care but if you want feedback i will tell you a mon sucks

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ya know?

bold geode
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See here's my thing
If you wanna use a niche, sure
But you gotta understand
A. There's better stuff
B. Why are you using this niche for in regards to your team/the meta

dull ibex
torn parrot
# dull ibex what does furret do on your team?

Frisk and follow me for magician delphox XD, it lines up type wise for blocking shadow balls and I made the furret faster for super fangs. The rest of the team is male indeedee with pledge

There was literally no other excuse I could find to use furret over maushold or indeedee. I accepted that furret will never be good in tournaments but it has one singles reason for being used, and it’s for frisk on ladder

But it got to 1620 so I’m satisfied with it and it’s pretty fun

dull ibex
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delphox?????

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You have delphox and furret? you must be a fantastic player

torn parrot
dull ibex
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yeah its a fast psyspammer

solid frigate
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did i just saw a fucking essay about Hamurott

torn parrot
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Yes

spiral ridge
chrome knot
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mmmmmm

spiral ridge
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i got two legendaries in my roguelike yesterday my lucks good rn

chrome knot
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oahhhh

spiral ridge
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Usually I don’t get any

torn parrot
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If a special psychic type exists, it’s a psyspammer 😔

torn parrot
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Okay you got me lol

robust arrow
spiral ridge
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Roguelike. Its items

foggy lodge
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What is this

solid frigate
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literally its not a Psyspammer cuz they ALL FUCKING LEVITATES

torn parrot
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I’m sure they would if they could

torn parrot
solid frigate
torn parrot
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It doesn’t make any sense other then gamefreak employees are dummy stupid

solid frigate
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yep-

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also umm adding Latios and Latias as well

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cuz they at least are levitate mons that don't have E-force as well

cyan smelt
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Also hisuian braviary is flying type and has E force

chrome knot
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i thought levitating & flying types weren’t affected by incoming terrain effects & not outgoing

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oh ig hisui braviary teras for it

solid frigate
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and Munkidori who does not have E-force further makes it worthless

cyan smelt
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H braviary is forced to be a tera hog

foggy lodge
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Munkidori has both fake out and parting shot and is still so horrible

solid frigate
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yeah we have a solid chunk of mons that are Special attacker psychic type that is not a psyspammer

foggy lodge
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genuinely ive only used Munkidori to teach my Incis fake out and p shot

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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i remember briefly trying it and being like damn this is certified ass cheeks

foggy lodge
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Okidogi looked so strong when i saw its design

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it has an Incineroar aura i don't know if im the only one that sees it

mighty stump
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AND IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES

pallid hare
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they aint called the "lousy" three for nothing

chrome knot
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tofuuuuu

rustic mountain
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it did turn out to be the best of the 3

bold geode
patent marsh
molten oasis
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Fair lol

patent marsh
rustic mountain
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yea jus munki for me

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never felt the others were worth it even w/ some decent bo1 teams coming out for both

forest arrow
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dogi wasnt terrible

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i agree tho munki was very meh

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never tried dipiti, wasnt it just like icy wind stuff

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
forest arrow
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oh yeah the toxic chain, gross haha

molten oasis
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Toxic stall

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 1016: Fezandipiti
Types

Poison/Fairy

Abilities

Toxic Chain, Technician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/91/82/70/125/99

Total

555

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Pokémon No. 1015: Munkidori
Types

Poison/Psychic

Abilities

Toxic Chain, Frisk (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/75/66/130/90/106

Total

555

forest arrow
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yeah guard dog is the best ability of the three

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I KEEP CALLING SHIT

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alrighty back to dengo hydrei

rustic mountain
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def a different 6 then wat uve been using haha some crossover tho but not all at once

molten oasis
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Not actually calling it but I do legitimately keep using things that end up being good

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And winning/top cutting tournaments

forest arrow
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It was a cool team

molten oasis
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Imma look at that

rustic mountain
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pretty cool team yea

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double fairy double dragon double ghost

forest arrow
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He also played very well, tons of reads

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safety goggles ape

rustic mountain
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yep

molten oasis
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Annihilape makes sense

rustic mountain
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maus and ape jus better w.o each other

molten oasis
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It’s balance too

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Not much weakness overlap

chrome knot
molten oasis
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Looks fun I’ll try it out

forest arrow
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Specs Hydrei

molten oasis
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Specs is probably the best kind of hydrei rn

forest arrow
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tofu was telling you and monke all this time lol

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heat wave snarl

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makes sense dont really need ep when you got garchomp

molten oasis
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Mhmm

mighty stump
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Did Goggles Ape before it was cool

molten oasis
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I did hydrei dengo before it was cool

forest arrow
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Gm Tofu

forest arrow
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pretty cool

molten oasis
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I was close yea

mighty stump
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Except u h8 Annihilape so you’ll never be him

forest arrow
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XD

mighty stump
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ur hate cost u glory

molten oasis
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I hate mausape, I’ve tried annihilape

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I played scarf ape for a little bit

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I’ll try it out okay

chrome knot
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tofuuuuuuu

forest arrow
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bulk up ape held its own without maus wouldnt hurt to try

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just now noticing misty terrain was on clef too

molten oasis
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Anti psyspam/sleep probably

mighty stump
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Probably the best part of the whole team

mighty stump
forest arrow
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very nice adaptation

chrome knot
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vivi got 25cp today :3

mighty stump
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o nice nice

forest arrow
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hey congrats

mighty stump
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i still hvnt made a new team

chrome knot
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i got cheated in r3 & t8 but we ball

mighty stump
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Just gonna be writing up the spider + teambuild guide

molten oasis
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Fun

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Looking forward to that

torn parrot
rustic mountain
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yea he said it was huge for nullifying shroom and ursa

foggy lodge
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wait thats big brain i didn't think about that

rustic mountain
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also said clefable was a last minute addition that helped patch kingambit

forest arrow
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Wait Ursa can’t burn on it right

foggy lodge
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It prevents the burn

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Awesome, I wanna try that

forest arrow
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Def going in the builder lol

rustic mountain
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yea teams will be posted 2mw on vr

foggy lodge
forest arrow
mighty stump
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Plus

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Reduces Dragon type damage to Grounded units

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Didn’t even consider the Ursa thing

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We stan good teambuilding

bold geode
molten oasis
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I heard about that, nice

bold geode
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Got 3rd in a LatAm regional today lol

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Wanna use it with Sneasler Pult maybe

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Only difference is they were using Sitrus, but they had Lefties Volc so I MIGHT be able to slap on Lefties

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But yeah I also wanna try out the Magmar

ionic pike
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hello, I'm new to competitive in Pokémon and this team will put me together for the moment, could you tell me what my team is missing

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amoosguss, incieroar, baxcalibur, gargana, meowcarada, mimikyu

spiral ridge
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Gargana?

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Ohh nacl

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Uhm

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Are you trying to get good and achieve highly or just do your own thing and explore?

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Okay

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Well great place to start is probably see what others are using

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Good place for that actually came today. Dortmund regional with top mons at the tournament

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Watching is a great way to learn

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Here one moment love

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Top comment has time stamps for games and top usage mons

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YouTube channels like wolfey and cybertron can show you breakdowns of games in action and teams and mons

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For your teams most questionable things are nacl mimi. May I ask what you use them for?

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Nacl can be good

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Mimi I’m less familiar with but I think they’re decent in singles

ionic pike
gentle cragBOT
ionic pike
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I used the mimi as a support

spiral ridge
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What trick room?

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Ah

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There’s. Some better TR setters

ionic pike
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Like which ones?

spiral ridge
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Notable ones you’ll see a lot are

ionic pike
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I want to use Dreepy Evolution as DPS but I don't have the purple pokemon

spiral ridge
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Indeedee, mainly female but a few male. Porygon 2 in specific. Gallade can. Farigiraf. And some others I think I’m missing

spiral ridge
ionic pike
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aaa ok, I'll be seeing what you sent me to learn how to improve my mechanics

spiral ridge
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Look at upcoming tournaments. Whole weekend they stream them

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And many past ones to watch

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These are official with commentaries and break segments exploring mons

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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After streamed match time is great as they explore the team

ionic pike
gentle cragBOT
spiral ridge
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And you can make teams to your hearts content

ionic pike
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ah okay

spiral ridge
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Wow actually lots of those are reg G damn

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Current reg is reg H

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But I’d recommend showdown to start out

ionic pike
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what does H stand for

spiral ridge
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It has shit like /dt to look up moves and abilities
And /weak (mons name) or (type/type) to see what’s super effective and resisted

ionic pike
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I was learning in ranked now I will take more into account which team to use

spiral ridge
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Wrong reply

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Ah Spanish I see I believe they have auto generated subtitles to help you

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I’m not gonna try to pull out my shit Spanish that’ll make this harder probably 😭

modern flint
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Hello, what equipment do you recommend to protect Meowscarada for single battles?

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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I can understand you yes

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I hope same goes for you

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Wolfe actually has manually done Spanish subtitles

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Compared to auto generated

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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I know this as it keeps turning on for his videos so I get some Spanish practice in 😭

ionic pike
gentle cragBOT
spiral ridge
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But yeah he’d be good and the subtitles seem accurate. Saying the Spanish move name rather than just straight translating it from English. Which can be wrong

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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I recommend Wolfe then for the Spanish

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Wolfeyvgc is full YouTube name

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Yeah move names aren’t hard translations they can be changed to have different wording

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Which is why manually done is a blessing

ionic pike
gentle cragBOT
spiral ridge
ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Yup. Which is why they’re changed to translate better. But that makes it hard to go between languages

ionic pike
ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Oh brother you and me both. LOL, valo, siege.
Just trust me this is a very different part of your brain

ionic pike
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It would be nice but I'm from Latam :C

spiral ridge
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What’s significant about that?

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Bad regional server?

ionic pike
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I'm from South America

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LAS

spiral ridge
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Yah

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Easy team to start is probably a hyper offensive team(HO). No set up just attack with move that does most

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They can be trick room or tailwind.

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If you like one speed choice over the other I can tell you a team for that

ionic pike
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I want a team like balanced

spiral ridge
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Ah

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Balance teams. Cool

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Makes sense you have incin and amoon already

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Pelipper archaludon I believe could work well with those

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Are you familiar with archapeli duo?

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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This would be defensive. You just need some offense too

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Incin and suss both are defensive. They will defend archaludon

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Healing. Attack redirection. Flinch. Intimidate

ionic pike
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baxscalibur my ofender

spiral ridge
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That works too. Just saying another mon good with swapping

spiral ridge
tiny karmaBOT
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Move: Electro Shot

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Raises the user's Special Attack by 1 stage on the first turn. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move completes in one turn. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move still requires a turn to charge.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

spiral ridge
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Very powerful move that raises special attack. In rain doesn’t take two turns

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Pelipper gains this ability

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Drizzle

On switch-in, this Pokemon summons Rain Dance.

spiral ridge
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And a similar move to electro shot called hurricane. Very strong flying move that always hits in rain

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Very strong duo offensively

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And archa is very bulky and ability is this

tiny karmaBOT
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Ability: Stamina

This Pokemon's Defense is raised by 1 stage after it is damaged by a move.

spiral ridge
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So strong defensively

ionic pike
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Archaludon is recommended

spiral ridge
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And it can learn snarl for special attackers

spiral ridge
ionic pike
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aaa yes I'm watching those games to see but Archa is obtained in a DLC

spiral ridge
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Showdown my friend

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And if you want to play on cart. Rental teams and trading can help you a lot

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You can trade for dlc mons

ionic pike
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okay that works for me

spiral ridge
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Great

ionic pike
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Would you help me if when I have the equipment ready to try it

spiral ridge
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The one thing I’m confident in saying
Buena suerte amor

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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Ohh practice matches?

ionic pike
spiral ridge
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You can face anyone on showdown it has a ranked system

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And you can share link here and ask for feedback

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But yes I would be down to just can be busy at times

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And there is people much smarter and better than me at this

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If anyone like tofu or Emma critique my advice trust theirs over mine

ionic pike
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aaa give it all the advice you have given me and I will be aware of everything from my team

spiral ridge
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Ty

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People can be much more in depth on why stuff is good and ways to think as you play

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Game state

torn parrot
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It’s time for people to cook with jolly max speed kingambit

mighty stump
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Lol

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I’ve been doing that since Reg C

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Adamant Max Spe cause Jolly misses KOs and you’re not outspeeding anything relevant enough (like any base 100 sure but eh)

dull ibex
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Hello

solid frigate
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Hoi

dull ibex
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Wus good

solid frigate
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me guf

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gud

dull ibex
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Nice

surreal echo
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Just got my ass beaten by two sneasler teams back to back

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i'm cooked in this meta

dull ibex
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Weegeecee

solid frigate
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moment

wary wagon
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anyone wanan do the legndary bp quests so we can get all of em

dull ibex
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vc?\

solid frigate
dull ibex
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ok

solid frigate
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yeah i'm gonna stop playing Reg H

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i got lucked more than other regs+Teams are unpredictable in the slightest+Don't wanna tilt

real prairie
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feels like a case of "Careful what you wish for", lots of complaints about all the teams being the same over the years, now we have a very open Reg and people don't like it 🤷 thats not a dig at you btw @solid frigate , just an observation

dull ibex
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The probelm is this isn't healthy variation

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It's throwing bad mons at the wall or wacky sets for surprise

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Also anyone who complains all the teams are exactly the same don't know what they're talking about imo

solid frigate
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and i have 2 events to go next year so yeah

real prairie
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ill be there with you 😉

solid frigate
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nah

foggy lodge
solid frigate
chrome knot
chrome knot
dull ibex
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I think even a team with the same six

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won't function the same

bold geode
dull ibex
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evs do different things, mons can serve different roles

bold geode
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If it's the same 6, spreads could be different so "oh you can kill/live this thing you couldn't before" yet like if it's the same Arch Rain 6, the way it plays still ain't different
Have to have like a moveset or ability change to really like

dull ibex
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Do i Want to play more vgc 🤔

bold geode
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Change how it goes

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Weegeecee?

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Where Tofu

dull ibex
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tofu died

dull ibex
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what a fun and healthy meta game

chrome knot
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brother you lost in 1100 elo

bold geode
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Emma how are you here
I hit your kneecaps with crowbar

chrome knot
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im just a girl

bold geode
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Girls are immune to crowbars?

chrome knot
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yes

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girls also watch parkour civilization NekoLaugh

chrome knot
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it’s literally just a minecraft movie abt parkour being a currency to run the world and ur status is determined by how well you parkour, it blew up on tiktok now i wanted to watch the entire thing lmfao

merry summit
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Id do mc parkour irl for u

bold geode
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Oh that thing where it's like "the Minecraft noobs.live down here" or whatever?

chrome knot
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yeah LOL

chrome knot
merry summit
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omg...

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in the nether :3

chrome knot
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or maybe in the end

solid frigate
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I can already sense the explosions

chrome knot
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@merry summit what if i broke ur bed and then i killed you in minecraft

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or worse what if you were a parkour noob😭

merry summit
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WHAT THE HEC

solid frigate
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the fu-

chrome knot
merry summit
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WHAT

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Im like top 10: mc parkour

chrome knot
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nah ur parkour noob lvl

merry summit
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??? 1v1 rn

chrome knot
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wanna do a 1 block jump for raw chicken or a 1 block upwards jump for raw beef

merry summit
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your name is a LIE

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it should be LEAH #1 hater!!!

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I won in 1v1 so im better comp player sowwy ;/

chrome knot
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i dont hate my wife!!!!

craggy dagger
torn parrot
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Woof woof bark

chrome knot
craggy dagger
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hi

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how can i help today?

chrome knot
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haaiiiiii

craggy dagger
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blondenekogiggle
hello!

chrome knot
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howre yooouuuuu

craggy dagger
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RobinShrug
been okay

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hbu
you doing good?

chrome knot
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yus

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i doing goodddNayuHappy

bold geode
foggy lodge
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Reg H seems so silly

strange fjord
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love me some reg h

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get to see some shenanigans every once in a while

rare pumice
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i am of the opinion that furrest should be given the fur coat ability

strange fjord
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Furrest? Like the Pokemon with the most fur? Or

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this guy

rare pumice
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can both be true

bold geode
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Ah yes
Give it that ability so it can still not be used

molten oasis
#

It needs a regional form/evolution

torn parrot
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I legitimately forgot swanna was in this game completely

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Okay I see

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It’s immune to spore in the rain

molten oasis
torn parrot
torn parrot
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Like tbh

real prairie
torn parrot
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What’s your choice

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They’re all kinda bad

real prairie
real prairie
torn parrot
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It’s true

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There is actually I think

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Negative reason to use swanna

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I think swanna is like
Not for battling swanna is for looking very pretty

real prairie
#

its a contest pokemon if ive ever seen one

real prairie
torn parrot
#

Swanna is the same as furret
They were not meant to be battled with

But people like me who are extremely bored will do it anyways

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And also cus I love furret

strange fjord
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Psyduck being a part of my team makes every battle silly PsyduckWork

molten oasis
#

Nice arc idiot

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Eat darts

real prairie
torn parrot
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That was a funny battle

real prairie
torn parrot
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Yeah but now I have an excuse to shiny hunt furret

strange fjord
#

gotta figure which mark I wanna get the duck with.

real prairie
torn parrot
#

I think it still does the furret walk

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When it’s walking at a certain pace

solid frigate
real prairie
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i remember it well from Pokemon Colosseum

torn parrot
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I want an XXXS shiny furret

real prairie
torn parrot
#

Like maximum small

molten oasis
#

I gave up on that pretty quick lol

real prairie
#

Could get pretty easily walled by a donzo set

molten oasis
#

Spam eshot and hurricane basically

real prairie
#

fair

foggy lodge
molten oasis
solid frigate
cyan smelt
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unaware though

dense latch
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does anyone have a good support cloak volc set? I have no idea how to EV it

chrome knot
solid frigate
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ehhh does any dozo still run Oblivious or is everyone running Unaware

chrome knot
#

everyone runs unaware

dense latch
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all unaware yeah

molten oasis
#

Why wouldn’t you run unaware lol

zinc totem
dense latch
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no idea

zinc totem
#

Unaware is what makes dozo a threat

dense latch
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the intim and taunt immunity don't come close to unaware's effects

zinc totem
#

Without unaware dozo probs wouldnt be even used at any point

mighty stump
#

Solo Dozo used to run Oblivious and in other formats not as set-up heavy, Oblivious was used

versed linden
#

Is Sun viable anymore at all? Seems hard to run on ladder

shadow wind
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I've actually been running a sun team and I just hit 1620 on ladder with it

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It's a bit unorthodox though so probably not the best example

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But I think Torkoal TR Sun is the only viable sun team

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Ninetales is kind of trash and Torkoal is already such a threat that it works amazingly

versed linden
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Torkoal does hit incredibly hard with Eruption

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I'm trying to make a H-Typhlosion sun team work. Seems tough since I have no experience with sun

forest arrow
#

I recommend manual weather in Whimsicott, gives you speed control and weather control

versed linden
#

Ofc! Whimsicott has been doing its role well. I struggle with making the team mesh well together

mighty stump
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Theres a bunch of Hyphlosion teams out there

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Its just it’s a very linear mon

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Esp since it tends to run either Choice Scarf/Specs

rustic mountain
#

wat is vr doing, still no teams posted yet

foggy lodge
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lol

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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I use another page for the teams of dortmund

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Let me search it

rustic mountain
#

the metas way more figured out for those mons to be effective in such a one trick fashion

molten oasis
#

Meanwhile gambit rilla pult sneasler remains strong lol

rustic mountain
gentle cragBOT
next stump
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you’re welcome 🙂

rustic mountain
#

man ppl werent lying eu is boring af

molten oasis
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Lmfao

rustic mountain
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sinistcha top 8 is cool

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winning team is pretty interesting as well ngl

molten oasis
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My god you’re right

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This is not fun to look at

rustic mountain
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haha yea

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its jus a lot of very similar style teams

molten oasis
#

What are you playing rn?

rustic mountain
#

few a9s made day 2

foggy lodge
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Dondozo balance whatt

molten oasis
#

wtf

rustic mountain
next stump
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that set has been popping up recently

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yawn + fissure just so annoying

rustic mountain
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last i was using rain tho

molten oasis
#

Oh it’s cloak, bleh

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Cloak yawn and fissure that’s irritating

rustic mountain
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yep

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really good for the mirror a lot of times or jus vs opposing balance set up in general. also vs other dozo

molten oasis
#

Yawns a cool tool

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Fissure makes me cry

rustic mountain
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haha the funny button

molten oasis
#

Hopefully I don’t have to fight that shit

rustic mountain
#

u prolly will

molten oasis
#

Nuh uh (it’ll be the first thing)

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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I think, from what I’ve played pult gambit rilla clef feels so strong

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And then 5/6 are just kinda ok

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I’m currently rotating through sneasler Prima Tauros and volc

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Volc unfortunately just, its coverage sucks

rustic mountain
#

delphox and h zoroark in day 2

forest arrow
#

That winning team is super cool

rustic mountain
forest arrow
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misty terrain tech is kind of nutty

molten oasis
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Delphox is real

molten oasis
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Glad Pults meta I like pult

molten oasis
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I haven’t tried it yet but I might

forest arrow
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solo ape is also on my radar

rustic mountain
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not an easy call to go for and then stick with even if the merits are there

molten oasis
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Idk if it’ll stick

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But it works

rustic mountain
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sometimes it doesnt need to

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for him it worked for the tour since he won

molten oasis
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Won’t work for everyone

rustic mountain
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even if he clicked it once

molten oasis
#

Mhmm

forest arrow
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yeah

molten oasis
#

Oh my Primarina ate a Tera normal Bloodmoon today that was weird

forest arrow
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Wish we couldve seen it action

rustic mountain
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also ape on its own, chomp and dreigon together

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the team is weird but it obviously works

molten oasis
#

I played that for a minute lmao

rustic mountain
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yea i jus mean collectively u didnt really see that 6 at all before

forest arrow
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Misty terrain also nullifies dragon moves

rustic mountain
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some of them on the same team sure but not all 6 and not like that

molten oasis
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I played with, the teams dengo hydrei chomp whimsi clef and, ape?

forest arrow
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so thats a plus for chomp and hydrei dragon weakness a little

molten oasis
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I had half of it lol

forest arrow
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Yeah you were pretty close to it lol

molten oasis
#

I’m off of a9 rn cuz I kinda just wanna play good stuffs

rustic mountain
idle orbit
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can somone log into pokemon sword and sheild to do a ranked battle agansit me, trying to do the poke job glitch free win also no one was doing them. for xp

forest arrow
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Yeah fair

molten oasis
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2 fairies and a steel type

rustic mountain
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unless ur preparing for it to go down and have chomp and dreigon to clean up in the back. like its def an option

molten oasis
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Not that worried about dragon coverage tbf

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Opposing

forest arrow
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You just also cant be clicking dragon moves

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Yeah honestly

rustic mountain
#

but yea also that, ur hurting urself too if u wanna click a dragon move

forest arrow
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two ghost two dragons two fairies

rustic mountain
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gta b specific wen ur clicking it that u dont need that as an option

rustic mountain
#

usually a team would have 1 double up not 3

forest arrow
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My bad i mustve missed that lol, at least he still has a dfs core

forest arrow
rustic mountain
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nah ur good i didnt mean u couldnt bring it up jus meant like ik, its wacky lol

molten oasis
#

1 maybe 2 double up is normal

molten oasis
#

3 is usually too much weakness overlap

rustic mountain
#

2 usually is pushing it depending on the type overlap

molten oasis
#

Yea

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Double steel is a no go for me

rustic mountain
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since like zacian and flutter dont share weaknesses but both are fairies

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shit like that

molten oasis
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Yea

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Idt people played zacian flutter lol

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Zacian whimsi existed tho

rustic mountain
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i jus gave it as an example not that it was good necessarily

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whims zacian do share a fire weakness tho

molten oasis
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Ik ik mostly just a thought

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Oh fair point

rustic mountain
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was picking an ex that didnt have any shared weakness that jus came to mind 1st

molten oasis
#

I can’t think of any others lol

forest arrow
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Was about to say I cant either lol

rustic mountain
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mamo and garchomp

forest arrow
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Enamorous? XD

rustic mountain
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rotom wash and pelipper

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most effective double ups do share weaknesses lmao which is why u dont see more then 1 generally and why 2 is usually pushing it

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nd why the 3 is genuinely very nutty lol

forest arrow
#

and all 3 share weaknesses

rustic mountain
#

tera helps a lot

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otherwise these kinda teams wouldnt work imo

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which is unfair to say since that is the mechanic

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cause a lot of gen 8 teams would not work now either haha

molten oasis
#

Yea

torn parrot
#

I have a strong urge to watch dc television

bold geode
#

Hey Maya
Do you have another person running Furret?

torn parrot
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with some random goofy sounding nickname

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Like “4xweaktogothgirls”

bold geode
torn parrot
bold geode
craggy dagger
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i don’t think so-

bold geode
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Is that your name?

craggy dagger
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lmao no that’s not me

bold geode
#

So I found some random running Furret on ladder that isn't connected to Maya

torn parrot
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Oh mf was tryna activate that weakness policy

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Lol

craggy dagger
#

endeavour sentrets been a thing-

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though i am interested in furret now-
yaehmm

torn parrot
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The most interesting thing about it is that it’s really cute

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And lovable

molten oasis
#

I did find Maya a couple days ago @bold geode get wrecked

molten oasis
#

It’s so cute

shadow wind
versed linden
shadow wind
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He can be very frail yeah

#

What Torkoal set do you usually run? I never actually looked at a pre made one and just made my own which may or may not suck

versed linden
shadow wind
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Ahh, a more supportive one

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I run max spatk with charcoal

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As well as I use clear smog instead of hh and weather ball instead of earth power

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Granted I have no other dozo counter and I’m also using Ursaluna

versed linden
#

Clear smog sounds like a solid option on the side. I might use it over Earth Power possibly.

I did experiment with Weather Ball before! Another solid choice imo.

shadow wind
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I once had an interaction where an Alolan Ninetales switched in and I weather balled their Garchomp

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He exploded

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Scovillian works on the team mostly because no one knows it gets rage powder

shadow wind
#

Also sun boosted overheat hits incredibly hard

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With Chlorophyll too

versed linden
#

Definitely

shadow wind
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Then I gave it lorb just to really send a message

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It also has leaf storm but that’s mostly for stuff like Primarina

versed linden
shadow wind
#

I find with those though most of them will run stuff that resist it anyway

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I definitely got lucky with the chomp and snow combo

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But that fire and ice coverage was nasty

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I’ve also found that regular Ursaluna is very good into sand teams

#

My rain answers are definitely a bit iffier but if that pelipper goes down it’s game over for them

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I’ve also been using a Tera fire AV Kingambit

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Dude lives literally everything

versed linden
#

Kingambit? Sounds like a good pick...

shadow wind
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I like it as a safety net option

Works incredibly well in TR but sucker punch does amazing damage outside of it aswell

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And also discourages incin

versed linden
#

I always forget about Kingambit. Dunno why

shadow wind
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I mean if you’ve played ladder in the last 2 weeks he’s on like every team

At least that’s what it feels like

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They usually like running a Tera dark SD set

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It blows up a lot of stuff but I prefer the AV variant

versed linden
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AV sounds a bit better. Ofc SD does the unholy damage, but survivability is appreciated

shadow wind
#

I really like Tera fire for will o wisp prevention as well as a sure fire way to kill Hyphlosion so I don’t get rolled

versed linden
#

What would be a solid coverage move for AV Kingambit?

shadow wind
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I like low kick

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Helps with incin and also allows you to destroy ttars

versed linden
#

Nice one. I've seen some odd Kingambits running around with Assurance too. I do like Low Kick however

shadow wind
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Assurance is so odd to me

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Why run 3 dark moves, seems pointless

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Even if they replace kowtow, kowtow is amazing

versed linden
#

I guess it's for more specific matchups?

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Can't imagine what

shadow wind
#

I mean a 120 BP move is nuts but - Prio is typically bad

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And kowtow not being able to miss is crazy good

#

Just takes some randomness out of the game

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And with sucker punch being unreliable, I like having a surefire 85 BP move to use

versed linden
#

Your inputs have been really helpful so far. I appreciate it a lot

shadow wind
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No problem, talking about my reasonings for stuff actually helps me to better apply it when battling

torn parrot
#

YAARG MATEY

#

WE BE DOIN IT

#

FURRET TO TOP 500

versed linden
shadow wind
#

YEAH !!!!

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LETS GO MAYA !!!

torn parrot
#

BARLEY

#

FURRET TOP 500 YYYYAAAA!!!!

shadow wind
#

T500 is T500

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No one can take that away from you

torn parrot
#

YAAYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEE YAYYYY

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YAYY YAYYYYYY

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YAYAYYAYAY

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YAYYYYYYFURRRETTTTTT

shadow wind
#

Furret might be goated

torn parrot
#

uhm
noooo lol
but she's my little buddy

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so she's goated

shadow wind
#

Is Furret the new Maushold?!!?

strange fjord
#

Yooo! Furret a goat now!

strange fjord
torn parrot
#

turns out sunny day was not the play
i dont think ive ever won a game clicking sunny day
so now she has helping hand

#

uwu

shadow wind
#

Nice

strange fjord
charred citrus
#

o/ all...im still completely a noob when it comes to VGC and team building. So please be gentle xD

I hate playing the "meta" and like theory crafting a lot of my own stuff. Sometimes it works most the time it doesnt. Some of it could be lack of experience and game knowledge of the 1K mons. I really like Garganacle with fissure for this Archalodon problem we have going around. Could I get some tips and recommendations on what to change and make edits to? Hoping to keep Garga + grimm cause i really like screens with a beefy OHKO spammer xD mainly just for the dozo players and archalodon players. So i need the team to work against other things that are the meta teams atm.

-Rookie looking for help

shadow wind
#

Before I give advice I would like you run through the decisions made for some of the Pokémon to end up on the team, you already have reasons for the first 2 but what about the other 4?

torn parrot
#

my gosh its late

#

time to sleep peacefully

shadow wind
#

You’re telling me

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I gotta wake up in 5 hours(I’m cooked)

strange fjord
#

bro out here giving advice for VGC when he needs to sleep. i hope you arent too tired tomorrow ZZZMunchlax

shadow wind
#

Nah I’ve been getting 6 hours of sleep for the past week, I’m surviving and thriving

torn parrot
shadow wind
#

Can't have Maya outdoing me too much now can I

#

T500 with the pepper

torn parrot
#

nice job conner!!!

shadow wind
#

Same to you

shadow wind
#

Exactly

solid frigate
#

Who summoned me

charred citrus
# torn parrot heres what i would say your team is a bit passive you can get away with 3 suppo...

So made some changes. Ape is now AV and tera fire to combat burn. Can still beat up for rage fist or just be a beefy attacker. Volc is already SpDef beefy and a standard Quiver Dance build with grimm to use reflect and screens for more beef on garganacl and the 2 of those. Mouse can beat up ape for rage fist or use follow me for redirection. he also has Sunny day to reset rain for those nasty rain teams. Lastly a Multiscale Dnite for Tailwind purposes and some heavy Att and Speed investments. Thoughts? Open to everyones opinion and tips. Still learning XD I thought Ice spinner was nice for terrains like psy terrain from indeedee.

solid frigate
#

pretty sure Garganacl has Iron Defense-

charred citrus
cyan smelt
#

Have you thought about misty terrain on grimm, lots of dragons around

charred citrus
cyan smelt
#

Yes

solid frigate
#

i don't think Fissure is necessary

You could just Run Salt Cure,Body Press,Protect,Wide Guard/Iron Defense/Heavy Slam

tiny karmaBOT
#
Pokémon No. 934: Garganacl
Type

Rock

Abilities

Purifying Salt, Sturdy, Clear Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/130/45/90/35

Total

500

Weight (Low Kick BP)

240kg (120 BP)

Height

2.3m

Introduced

Generation 9

Pre-evolution

Naclstack

Egg groups

Mineral

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Brown

charred citrus
solid frigate
#

But are you gonna use that Move?

Hell Salt Cure just straight up deletes their Health because Water and Steel types took 1/4 damage fromSalt Cure

#

these 4 mons are all Water or Steel

charred citrus
#

ill try it out see what happens

tiny karmaBOT
#
Move: Salt Cure

Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/4 if the target is Steel or Water type), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. This effect ends when the target is no longer active.

Type

Rock

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

dull ibex
#

Hello

dull ibex
#

im trying hisuian samurott over prim in kingambit balance

knotty mirage
#

I have question is it possible to trace good as gold ?

real prairie
#

i think so theoretically

knotty mirage
#

The thing is i play double match lately agains't porygon2 with trace i always send out dhengo and archaludon as lead but the porygon always trace stamina no matter what

real prairie
#

wonder if you could manipulate that to have it trace Truant 🤣

craggy dagger
bold geode
craggy dagger
#

hello Monke

chrome knot
craggy dagger
chrome knot
#

ye

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:3

young fable
#

Updated my Arch rain team to add Gholdengo back into the mix since Sneasler has seen a high surge in usage. The current Gholdengo set is one I used during reg F, and I'm not sure what the most optimal build is for reg H. I'm also still debating between life orb and mystic water on the Basculegion. Also swapped out Rillaboom for Amoonguss as I feel it pairs better with Gholdengo for some extra redirection. I'd appreciate some tips on how I can improve the team.

real prairie
#

basco mystic water, Life orb Ghold imo

#

get that extra damage to ensure KOs

torn parrot
dull ibex
#

I got another idea for balance I want to pursue

#

Coaching on sneasler sounds pog

torn parrot
#

Good luck!!

dull ibex
#

I was just thinking my team benefits from coaching but I don't have room

#

I forgot sneasler learns it

torn parrot
#

found a gamer

#

oh shit showdown usage updates today right

molten oasis
bold geode
#

@rustic mountain @mighty stump that JJK ending was so ass

bold geode
molten oasis
#

I will stand by the opinion that JJK is mid

bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
#

Hehehehe

molten oasis
#

Has the gyarados been useful?

dull ibex
bold geode
molten oasis
bold geode
#

Team full of physical attackers even with 3 of em blocking Intim still was exploitable

molten oasis
#

Fair

bold geode
#

Playing with Prim and Magmar now

torn parrot
#

magician mechanics are wacky

#

delphox steals the item even if the opponent protects...

#

even if the attack misses...

#

it's innevitable that you will lose an item

molten oasis
#

It also has to lose its item tho right?

torn parrot
#

yeah

#

it has to have no item when it attacks

molten oasis
#

Gotcha

#

I’d just use blaze then

bold geode
#

I'm tryna decide how much I wanna double up on Fairies rn

#

Like Prim alright but I'd like to go Prim + Clef

molten oasis
#

Prim and clef feels ok

torn parrot
# molten oasis I’d just use blaze then

yeah i mean yeah blaze life orb is just stronger

i wish i could click tera fighting helping hand tera blast into archaludon and it just kills it

but that's onlyv avaliable for the life orb one

molten oasis
#

But I don’t really bring both to a match

bold geode
#

I'm just like
Super against Volc lmao

molten oasis
bold geode
#

I'm a fuckin hater

#

Who's good lookin Prim EVs are those 👀

molten oasis
#

I’m kinda 50/50 on the sneasler rn

molten oasis
#

And I haven’t had an issue with it lol

torn parrot
#

it looks fuckin strong

molten oasis
#

It is lol

#

It had volcarona for a bit but a certain someone kinda pushed me out of it

bold geode
#

Well I'd bring both lol
Arch Rain I'd bring Clef Prim Rilla Sneasler

molten oasis
#

Or like, the push to take it off the team

molten oasis
#

That or I’m just kinda over dealing with it’s ass coverage

bold geode
#

Or I might actually say fuck it and go with the dumb Magmar idea I had

molten oasis
#

Fire and grass coverage sucks rn

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Maybe playing bug buzz with sitrus would be a better idea

#

But yea I’m not a fan of volc rn

bold geode
#

I feel like the meta just naturally warped against Volc without even trying

molten oasis
#

Plus when I play set up gambit is my go to 90% of the time

#

I agree

bold geode
#

Fuck it
Time for Tera Electric Magmar KekCry

molten oasis
#

Tauros also fell off

torn parrot
#

the grass specifically

bold geode
#

Dragon ain't bad cuz Weather Ball from Peli hurts Mag, but Electric probably still eases the pain

torn parrot
#

there was a time

molten oasis
#

Volcs coverage is just kinda ass

torn parrot
#

there was a time when grass was good against rain

#

(,:

molten oasis
#

Now we have Archaludon

bold geode
#

Fun fact, Tera Electric Magmar can basically be an pseudo-Electabuzz KekHands

molten oasis
#

Yea monke we know lol

torn parrot
#

i think both magmar and electabuzz are absolutley amazing

#

and my eyes are open

molten oasis
#

I wouldn’t go that far

#

They’re strong but i wouldn’t say amazing

torn parrot
#

i would call them amzing because they have no downsides

bold geode
#

I would go Clef, but idk if I wanna have double Fairy with Sneasler running around like a maniac

torn parrot
#

vital spirit means they dont need saftey goggles
extra bulky with eviolite
they have taunt shit
amazing

molten oasis
#

Fair ig

molten oasis
molten oasis
#

Clef gambit

bold geode
#

Counter argument: your mom

real prairie
molten oasis
bold geode
#

Also Wisp kinda nice too tbf

torn parrot
#

wacky

bold geode
#

Especially since no Flame Body since like
Why would I gamble and then have to use Tera Grass to be able to redirect Spore when I can just use my ability to do so

torn parrot
#

yeah i think the contact abilities suck

#

and vital spirit is godly

bold geode
#

I think both contact abilities could be superb, but it's just the fact there's a better ability

craggy dagger
hot rampart
#

I have been working on an all psychic themed type team for a server event. Free ability patch for the battle

real prairie
#

im seeing so many poison touch sneasler, i dont get it

bold geode
#

Cuz people use Focus Sash and Sash Unburden is dog ass

craggy dagger
#

poison touch-

#

does that stack with dire claw

bold geode
#

Unburden only good with seeds and tbh some prefer to keep Sash and play without an ability to live more than one hit always vs not always living one hit and at times still playing without ability

bold geode
craggy dagger
#

ah

bold geode
#

And iirc Dire Claw roll goes first always

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Plus Poison Touch means you can proc poison on any of its contact moves

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Might also try non Clear Smog Gastrodon
I already Yawn and basically wall Dozo with Tera Fairy so

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I'm tempted to say fuck Sneasler and go Lum Berry

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Whoa wtf happened

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Comp chat literally started fading out of existence for me

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Server did same thing for me

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loud ferry
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what rank is it considered good for a beginner?

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what do you consider good for a beginner?

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if your goal is master rank that is very achievable

loud ferry
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obviously everyone is different but the first season I decided to go vgc over bss

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I made master ball around 15000

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I think you can do it!

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what helped me is finding a archetype I liked alot

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in swsh series 2 it was hard trick room

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rn im enjoying balance

loud ferry
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any tool recomendations cause i dont like to copy paste team?

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are you brand new?

loud ferry
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i played a little on ss

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what do you use

bold geode
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I think it was cinder meta

bold geode
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Almost one of the same? Idfk

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my first masterball team was wack

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it was like clops, marowak a, and conk

loud ferry
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gengar lead, stall tox umbreon, blood ursa, dragonite, scizor, milotic

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what format do you play doubles or singles

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singles

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ah then I can't help sorry

loud ferry
gentle cragBOT
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here you go the first team i posted to twitter

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I FOUND IT

bold geode
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Bro read my mind

dull ibex
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this is the first time team I ever got to masterball with

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I was SOOOOOOOOOOOO proud of this

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I just realized

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was i guts with no flame orb

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I WAS SELF PROC LMAOOOOO

bold geode
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I genuinely hate just seeing how Dynamax made so much dogshit viable

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this team wasn't

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at the time

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holy shit

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its self proc weakness policy as well

foggy lodge
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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LMFAO UR SO MEAN

craggy dagger
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whaaaat

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tbh if i didn’t have unaware that azu would have shredded

spiral ridge
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Me and another incin flare blitz each other down but I had more hp 😭

chrome knot
craggy dagger
spiral ridge
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Took like 20 turns for the shititest 1v1

solid frigate
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hoi

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hey

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yeah balance is the play for sure

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just hit master ball

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667 with 8-2 win loss

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not a bad showing

torn parrot
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im hungry