competitive_discussion

[chrome knot]

and ur a normal moron🔥🔥🔥🔥

jk ur cool

[fickle cloak]

yo do yall think having a mon with follow me or rage powder is super necessary for every team

it would it be chill to not have it

[clever cliff]

not a lot, but im trying to get into it

[shadow wind]

Nice! What’s your general Pokémon knowledge at? Just so I know what to over explain and what not to.

[clever cliff]

i can play singles, i understand type match ups and what most moves do. the only think i lack is damage rolls/ win cons by looking at a team

[torn parrot]

Redirection is an insanely valuable tool but not required there’s a lot of teams without it

Doesn’t just protect your mons also messes up a lot of strategies that involve people targeting their own mons

[chrome knot]

maya

guess what

[torn parrot]

Yeyeyeye?

[chrome knot]

chicken butt :3

[fickle cloak]

ai bet

im tryina get back into competative i havent playes in a few years

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i’m-not-original-gif-4077672862622552877

[chrome knot]

WHAT WHYYY

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 503: Samurott-Hisui

Types

Water/Dark

Abilities

Torrent, Sharpness (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/108/80/100/65/85

Total

528

Base Species

Samurott

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot Some deviousness is afoot

[craggy dagger]

shes eep i think

[mighty stump]

You're asleep

[craggy dagger]

i wish

[solid frigate]

same

why do my agency bring me back to work-

[mighty stump]

New blogpost is up

[craggy dagger]

Good read Tofu

[mighty stump]

ouu

Thanks for reading c:

[cyan smelt]

Link?

[mighty stump]

Lemme send

[cyan smelt]

Ty

[mighty stump]

https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/tofulax

Wow Hatena

Ruining my thumbnail

[cyan smelt]

Nice blog

[dapper crag]

Ability: Stall

This Pokemon moves last among Pokemon using the same or greater priority moves.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

Someone needs to explain how Archaludon lived +3 Tera Dark Sucker from Kingambit

+3 252+ Atk Tera-Dark Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Archaludon: 178-210 (90.3 - 106.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

What even

[chrome knot]

i mean your explanation is right there

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

So bulky for this format lol

[mighty stump]

The Raging Bolt of Reg H

[chrome knot]

having a fucking fight vs blankets rn

[molten oasis]

For sure the Raging Bolt of Reg H that effectively don’t have a weakness next to peli

and it’s gonna be everywhere yaaaaay

[chrome knot]

yeah imma play sempra 6

[mighty stump]

Run some sets w me later

[chrome knot]

oka

ill be awake awake at 9am

[mighty stump]

I don't know when that is

[chrome knot]

4hrs

[mighty stump]

k

[chrome knot]

itd 5am atm lol

[molten oasis]

What’s sempra 6?

[mighty stump]

It's basically another variant of rain

[chrome knot]

arch peli basc incin fungus kingambit

[mighty stump]

Yea that

[cyan smelt]

I'm struggling with bo3

[mighty stump]

What seems to be the problem

[cyan smelt]

No idea I'm just struggling with the teams I'm facing

Maybe my team isn't good

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump how do you get like tts on websites i wanna listen to ur blog post while i try and go back to bed

[mighty stump]

I have no clue

LOL

You could probably google a TTS service

Or just copypaste the text

[molten oasis]

ah

that sounds annoying

[pseudo zinc]

Thoughts?

https://pokepast.es/083621044ac070e6

For doubles

[molten oasis]

volcarona's proving to be really annoying

[cyan smelt]

primarina is annoying for my team

[molten oasis]

especially next to clefable

this is the second one this week too

[cyan smelt]

does clefable do the t-wave follow me stuff

[molten oasis]

this SUCKS

i dont hae a way to deal with volcarona clefable i just lose

[chrome knot]

illegal next month, bad in this format

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 36: Clefable

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/70/73/95/90/60

Total

483

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

uh

[cyan smelt]

is clefable usually unaware?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Magic Guard

This Pokemon can only be damaged by direct attacks. Curse and Substitute on use, Belly Drum, Pain Split, Struggle recoil, and confusion damage are considered direct damage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

yes

unaware for sure lmfao

upside is it holds item

[cyan smelt]

is it good against dozo?

[chrome knot]

so more follow me goggles

[molten oasis]

its just redirection

volc with giga drain and heat wave just fries my team next to it

[solid frigate]

if you play Reg G,Where is your restricted

[molten oasis]

i won my next set, still trying to figure out how to handle that volc mu

[mighty stump]

Team?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/45f7ff37ae230564

im in 1200's in bo3 now which is nice, so far

ive gone 8-3 over the past couple days

[mighty stump]

Just change Gholdengo's Tera and utilised Super Fang better

[molten oasis]

to dragon?

[mighty stump]

I just use Water

[molten oasis]

i dont really want to be weak to giga drain

but alr

[mighty stump]

I mean

You not being weak to Giga Drain rn isn't helping is it

[molten oasis]

i'll probably fidget with both

well no

water it is

i found a perish trap dengo team with krow that was interesting

so far i've pretty much only lost to like, the volc stuff and i think i played really poorly into a psyspam mu i didn't record

anyway BTD6 break

[cyan smelt]

i keep losing in bo3 fuck

[pseudo zinc]

You don’t have to run a restricted right?

[mighty stump]

Technically, for Reg G, you don't. You'll just be at a disadvantage though.

[pseudo zinc]

What would you replace?

[mighty stump]

Well, to start, I'm not really understanding the team concept. I don't think it's a good idea to put splashable balance Pokemon without necessarily knowing what their intended uses are.

Figuring it's a Sun team, Koraidon is an easy slot and personally I believe Raging Bolt is absolutely required on a Sun team, therefore Torkoal should just be replaced. Some of these movesets are also a bit awkward, such as Giga Drain Amoonguss, and non-Wood Hammer Rillaboom.

Overall I do think you should probably peruse some common teams in Reg G and see which ones you like.

LabMaus is a good way to find top teams

[cyan smelt]

i'm really struggling

[molten oasis]

Is it the team or is it you?

[cyan smelt]

idk anymore

[molten oasis]

Maybe take a break and reflect

[cyan smelt]

i don't know how to improve

[mighty stump]

Send replays lol

[silk stream]

What are some ways to counter trick room. I understand the imprison method, but not really got any others, other than trying to stall

[mighty stump]

Taunt

Kek

[silk stream]

quite often get faked out when trying to do that, and dont want to waste the tera

[mighty stump]

You can also use mons that underspeed opposing TR mons.

[mighty stump]

Why wouldn't you want to use Tera to lock the game in your favour? bit odd

[silk stream]

Oh, have a slow dude like gambit or something to play in trick room

[molten oasis]

amoonguss is probably like

the face of that

[silk stream]

always feel like it'll be more useful later. But no, ur right. Tera to avoid fake out is just good

[mighty stump]

Need to identify impactful turns better

[cyan smelt]

is hisuian decidueye actually good? because it seems like it is

[mighty stump]

People seem to like it, I don't lol

[molten oasis]

i think its mid

[next stump]

Hawaii flight time

[mighty stump]

Safe flight DIllon

Have fun in Alola

Let us know when you land

[molten oasis]

have a safe flight

[solid frigate]

good luck Dillon

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-byebear-cute-bye-wave-gif-344809869674681480

[forest arrow]

Same flights! Good luck!

[solid frigate]

on what pokemon?

[molten oasis]

well

thats not a good strategy for competitive

shedinja isnt in SV

so its not legal

[mighty stump]

It has some really niche uses, but is pretty situational and judgement based

So it's not very recommended

We have some resources in the pins

That you could peruse

We also have some teams with write-ups in #rental_teams

Just to give you an idea of how teams should function/work

[gentle crag]

.tw1st3d_m1ndz. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

hello

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2179253043 felt a bit lucky here, any turns where i couldve improved my plays?

where do i go to view the replays ive uploaded?

[mighty stump]

You go to replays and search your username

[timber falcon]

just did it thanks

[mighty stump]

Uhm

Interesting Turn 1 play

[timber falcon]

i mean i didnt wanna risk the CC or have peli gone before it can get a tw safely

[mighty stump]

Protect???

[timber falcon]

both lack it

runs wide guard

[mighty stump]

Are you Covert Cloak...?

[timber falcon]

nope

normally i have farig in the back for such MUs but i forgot

[mighty stump]

What do you mean you forgot

[timber falcon]

i tend to forget which mons help which MUs and end up not selecting them

[mighty stump]

I'm just watching the replay and don't really know how to put into words what's going on

[timber falcon]

any turns that seem especially off?

[mighty stump]

Like

Think about it, right

IF they click Fake Out + Wood Hammer

Archaludon is just free to move and potentially delete Sneasler

Sneasler also is like no problem for Basculegion

Plus

[timber falcon]

I was also trying to cover for CC

[mighty stump]

You should be most likely faster than Rillaboom, so like

YOu can click Hurricane for free

[mighty stump]

Genuinely, I don't think Archaludon should be dying to CC in this scenario and you can always just Tera + Friend Guard lol

and switch Maushold in

[timber falcon]

Well I’m kinda running uh

Max speed timid

[mighty stump]

IF you're doing that while running AV you really should reconsider your approach.

You are absolutely wrong in that regard

[timber falcon]

But the extra bulk from AV has been useful

Maybe I will just swap the item

[mighty stump]

+2 52+ SpA Life Orb Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 161-191 (97.5 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

👍

[timber falcon]

Oh

[mighty stump]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Steel Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 79-94 (47.8 - 56.9%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO

[timber falcon]

Archaludon @ Life Orb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Body Slam
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl
• Protect

[mighty stump]

Why is a resist 2HKOing you

[timber falcon]

cause AV isnt good with 0 investment?

never did any calc

[mighty stump]

• You're using a bulk item without any investment for a low SpDef mon
• Never did any calcs

You're essentially half-assing Archaludon's job. Pick either an offensive item to tempo faster, or more bulk so you can more consistently snowball and maintain momentum

[timber falcon]

i forgot what snowball means

[mighty stump]

Improper EVs is game losing sometimes lol

I've won a game cause someone poorly EV'd their AV Iron Hands and it died to a neutral Psychic from CSR

[timber falcon]

oh wow

[mighty stump]

And I know I've stressed this concept to you already while explaining EV investing

[molten oasis]

Still on max speed Archa ic

[timber falcon]

yeah just changing AV

and probabaly ability

https://pokepast.es/354581e6492d5192 this is the team now

[mighty stump]

https://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ev_distribution#correct_hp You probably should read this.

[timber falcon]

im not a begginer with evs 😭

[mighty stump]

Skip to the point of Distributing EVs Defensively

[mighty stump]

I'd prefer if you say you were rather than the alternative of pro-actively doing the not-so-great thing

[solid frigate]

moment

[timber falcon]

i just got the set from munchstats regG. Shouldve mentioned it wasnt fit for reg H but i liked it anyways

[mighty stump]

That's like saying "I know stealing is wrong but they didn't catch me anyways so it's fine"

[timber falcon]

?

[molten oasis]

lol

[mighty stump]

Like, if you know it's not the best thing, why are you doing it

Is it because you didn't know? or were you being lazy? or like

[timber falcon]

cause it worked

[mighty stump]

SO

That means you don't plan on improving, no?

[timber falcon]

im scared of changing things cause thats normally how i mess up

[mighty stump]

Change is difficult and altering habits is difficult but understanding why you're doing cushions the blow and learning to do things in a better fashion is overall going to provide more long term value

[cyan smelt]

time to read that smogon article because i feel like my mons could use some defensive evs

[mighty stump]

Plus you can always ask, I do not care if I have to repeat something again but I care if it feels like it's cause you actively ignore it

Cuase that's when I get pissy

And felt like my time was wasted

[timber falcon]

sorry if it feels that way sometimes, but i do read and sometimes take ss

[mighty stump]

You can play however you want dude cause at the end of the day it's not my game but like damn the one thing I don't wanna hear is "but it works" without any real reasoning behind it

I'm not even saying Max Spe Archa is wrong

I'm saying AV Max Spe no bulk Archa is wrong

[timber falcon]

i realise that now

[mighty stump]

I gave you set for offensive Archa yesterday too 😭

[timber falcon]

i was scared of changing it :/

ig i just gotta get used to improved sets

[gentle crag]

Result: 187.500000

[molten oasis]

Is Tauros the only good immediate offensive water type?

I’m looking at stuff to help volc with fire types, and i don’t like palafin

[mighty stump]

TTar

H-Arc

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone know how to deal with gothitelle ? It makes me cannot switch out palafin

[molten oasis]

Ttar with volcarona?

[timber falcon]

climbing back up

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna take it offensive water types don’t exist then, besides that

[timber falcon]

ludicolo lorb

[molten oasis]

That are good

[timber falcon]

really damn hurts in rain

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna need to re-read this smogon article in the morning

[molten oasis]

And don’t require rain

[timber falcon]

oh

basc does get adaptability

[molten oasis]

Mm maybe i won’t use volc

Didn’t think about Rain

And it’s, dominance in the meta

[mighty stump]

Flip Turn kek

Or don't run Fin into Gothi teams

[knotty mirage]

What's the best mon to deal the gothi then ?

[timber falcon]

dark type?

[mighty stump]

Gholdengo

Can't trap it

Can;t hit it

Free setup fodder

Maushold - Annihilape is also good into Perish Trap stuff

Esp if you run Feint

[knotty mirage]

Ah right yeah dhengo probably the best thing i could use then and it immune to fake out and perish song

[molten oasis]

is meow any good?

[mighty stump]

I mean I've seen it around

It's not bad

It can OHKO Deedee with U-Turn so that's nice

[molten oasis]

K, just looking at stuff to use

Nothings popping out

[mighty stump]

Looking at some first-line tier lists are pretty ok just to see a surface opinion of what options you can consider

[molten oasis]

I’m looking at limitless tournaments for stuff as well

although everything that’s winning is rain, which makes sense

THATS WHY CLEFABLE VOLC IS A THING

[knotty mirage]

Oh yeah and what best defensive tera for annihilape ? I tried fire and it doesn't work really well should i just go for steel

[mighty stump]

I prefer Steel.

[knotty mirage]

Alright then

[mighty stump]

You can also check out LabMaus

[timber falcon]

volcarona is also good into dengo

[molten oasis]

Volca not good into rain

[mighty stump]

BAM POWER GEM

Jk

[molten oasis]

P2 Ursa looks, fine

[timber falcon]

well yeah its a fire type

[cyan smelt]

i've seen overheat chandeluere with sunny day murkrow for arch

[pallid hare]

Ah, yes the Sonic Smasher, the meal of choice for any VGC player

[timber falcon]

i really wanna try out talon flame + hydreigon

[molten oasis]

lol

[molten oasis]

I forgot basc has adaptability

[timber falcon]

bro Damian cooked

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[dapper crag]

Ability: Adaptability

This Pokemon's moves that match one of its types have a same-type attack bonus (STAB) of 2 instead of 1.5.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

maybe I’ll explore that

[timber falcon]

free tera boost?

[molten oasis]

As an offensive Mon, that doesn’t need set up

[mighty stump]

I mean

If you're in Rain

[timber falcon]

he dont want rain

[molten oasis]

and doesn’t need rain

[mighty stump]

You get more value from just running CB in Rain since its a 1.5x boost over 1.3x

[molten oasis]

Rains not fun to play lol

[mighty stump]

Right

[timber falcon]

im having a great time

[molten oasis]

Thx Archaludon

[molten oasis]

I don’t, yk what I mess with lol

[timber falcon]

but ima end the rain play for now. I feel like i understand it enough

[molten oasis]

Not the top used thing, just lost on like

What to use since prima’s felt meh

[mighty stump]

This is the first time in a while I've complained about something

Lmao

But whatever

[timber falcon]

why do u need a water type

[molten oasis]

Well I don’t OTOT I’m just looking at stuff

I’m currently looking at a blank board

[timber falcon]

quackwhatever thing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 914: Quaquaval

Types

Water/Fighting

Abilities

Torrent, Moxie (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/120/80/85/75/85

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

https://seri7k.hatenadiary.com/entry/2024/08/01/085921 @molten oasis if you wanna see Water types

Stuff is arranged by typing

and it's final evos only

[molten oasis]

There’s, Samurott, and uh, Tauros, araquanid ig, azu

[timber falcon]

oh yeah sheer force ddance gatr does exists

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 160: Feraligatr

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/100/79/83/78

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 160: Feraligatr

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/105/100/79/83/78

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Meh

[timber falcon]

yeah stats not impressive

[molten oasis]

I’ll keep that in mind once I find something to mess with

[timber falcon]

also have u even mentioned palafin

tatsudozo

[molten oasis]

I’ve stated I hate the way palafin plays

[mighty stump]

I'm ok with Palafin but I think Palafin is going to struggle a bit except on very specific teams + sets

As per usual, Rain

Lol

[timber falcon]

gastro isnt offensive but as someone who runs rain its damn annoying to deal with

[mighty stump]

Gastro is alright.

Gastro with Tera Steel works pretty well against Rain

Just gotta be wary of Body Press

[molten oasis]

Oh huh, yea that’s interesting

[timber falcon]

i might try it in my team ima make

[mighty stump]

So something like Gholdengo + Gastro can be a decent option into that combination

[molten oasis]

I wish snow was better but with rain so dominant snow is hard to get going

Plus 1 flash cannon and ninetales is dead

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c8b408e2be62c613 the concept is to have hydreigon set up as clefairy dies, then swap in th ebig bad talon flame to get tw up or sunny day, in which hydreigon has the option to tera fire heat wave

or maybe sunny day isnt needed

[molten oasis]

can you put moves on them

[mighty stump]

I don't like Tera-Fire Heat Wave but I understand why lol

[timber falcon]

okie dokie

[mighty stump]

Imo EP + Tera Poison

[molten oasis]

i wonder if the builder has anything if i just, scroll

do i dare touch hydrapple

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/04ce9caf91450583

[timber falcon]

so no double STAB?

[cyan smelt]

i'm wondering if maybe i should swap farig for a tw setter

[timber falcon]

whats the team

[mighty stump]

Oh

NPlot

RIght

I forgot about the setup move

Oh well

[devout mist]

is Blastoise with Fake Out / Water Spout a good idea for reg H ?

[mighty stump]

Not really

Not a great FO user and the Water Spout damage is pitiful

[timber falcon]

especially against the AV archaludons out and about

[devout mist]

really I've seen it three times so far on showdown lol

[timber falcon]

and peli

[devout mist]

damage looked very high if you ask me

[mighty stump]

Three times isn't a lot

[devout mist]

i just got back to playing today, I got like 15 games or so

[mighty stump]

Well, suit yourself, whatever you like lol. If you wanna try it no one is stopping you

[devout mist]

just tyna wrap my head around why they run it

three tortle on three diff teams

[mighty stump]

Cause people are Kyogre-pilled and like Blastoise

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/132d81b5f46bbfd7 got no clue for evs here, but i added tera typings and items

[dapper crag]

Grass, Ice, Dark

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ice, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Dragon, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Psychic, Rock, Water

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[devout mist]

I'll ask another disc too, maybe they know

[timber falcon]

what elo?

[devout mist]

guy who beat me last was 1450

I'm 1340 rn

[dapper crag]

- [Water/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fire, Ice, Poison, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Ground, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Grass

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

interesting

[devout mist]

been using teams someone else made

i really need to make one but I suck at teambuilding

I'm much better at playing the game lol

[timber falcon]

im no genius when it comes to teambuilding either, if you need help on it though theres loads of people here who can give advice

[devout mist]

i don't know where to start from

reg G I could just use whatever good team was around, but reg H i feel like you can be really creative since the power lvl decreased

[molten oasis]

any thoughts on a mon that meow can offensively support well?

[timber falcon]

hmm

id, how an offensive mon supports an offensive mon

[molten oasis]

ok

[timber falcon]

but ive seen the anger point crookidile gimmick

[molten oasis]

like, sorry offensively covers

no gimmicks

[timber falcon]

maybe a fire type?

ive seen duos of meow before but ive forgotten them :/

[devout mist]

havent seen much meowscarada

besides early gen 9 meta

[cyan smelt]

meow is underrated i feel

[molten oasis]

0 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 216-256 (107.4 - 127.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO thats cool

[mighty stump]

I mean no shit

Lol

You;re also missing Intim

[molten oasis]

clear amu

[chrome knot]

when the 120bp stab ohkos🔥🔥🔥

[devout mist]

you got any team using the weed cat ?

[cyan smelt]

no sorry

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/17439c22ad393c69

https://pokepast.es/41bd9da8ec19071e a core, of delusion ig

idk what im doing

https://pokepast.es/42aea7e52529e9d7 this is, a team, thats for sure

[devout mist]

I'm so dumb I keep trying to add legendaries to my reg H team

I'm like hey look like Lando's a nice fit... nope

[next stump]

@rose stump and I hahaha

[mighty stump]

You;re on the same flight? Hahaha

[next stump]

yes but the photo isn’t sending

[mighty stump]

Dang

Say hi for me

AND TELL HIM TO REPLY MY MESSAGES

[next stump]

RIP

[mighty stump]

HE KEEPS SAYING "ill reply after packing" and then didnt

[rose stump]

Worlds bound!!!

[rose stump]

Yes! Worlds bound

[mighty stump]

Have fun in Alola

[rose stump]

Oh the service on the plane is ass

[mighty stump]

oof

[chrome knot]

good luck friends !! @next stump @rose stump

[rose stump]

I will!!!! I’ll try to get the WiFi on this flight

[torn parrot]

I stole this from another server

[timber falcon]

whats the best follow me mon

for this team

[cyan smelt]

maushold or clef

[molten oasis]

maushold

[timber falcon]

is it bulky enough though?

[molten oasis]

yes

[chrome knot]

clef

[timber falcon]

ill try clef first

[chrome knot]

twave is crippling

[timber falcon]

twave clef?

[torn parrot]

You gonna focus energy?

[dapper crag]

Clefairy's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Bounce, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Wingbeat, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Headbutt, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Meteor Mash, Natural Gift, Play Rough, Pound, Power-Up Punch, Present, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Wake-Up Slap, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Blizzard, Bubble Beam, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Magical Leaf, Meteor Beam, Misty Explosion, Moonblast, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Night Shade, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Tri Attack, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

After You, Ally Switch, Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Baton Pass, Belly Drum, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Copycat, Cosmic Power, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Gravity, Growl, Heal Bell, Heal Pulse, Healing Wish, Helping Hand, Imprison, Life Dew, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Metronome, Mimic, Minimize, Misty Terrain, Moonlight, Nightmare, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Soft-Boiled, Splash, Spotlight, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Telekinesis, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Trick, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Clefairy.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

nasty plot lorb

[torn parrot]

Kk

[timber falcon]

and ima ev it to be faster than all apes

except scarf

[molten oasis]

3rd screens grimmsnarl team in bo1

(im not trying rn im playing such a bad team)

[timber falcon]

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 60 HP / 252 SpA / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Dark Pulse
• Protect
• Nasty Plot

is this set alright?

and im hesitant on clef now cause of specs dengo

[mighty stump]

Atm

I think Maushold is far better than Clef

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 925: Maushold

Type

Normal

Abilities

Friend Guard, Cheek Pouch, Technician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/75/70/65/75/111

Total

470

Other Formes

Maushold-Four

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 125: Electabuzz

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/83/57/95/85/105

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[ember linden]

Think you might get more value out of the scope lens focus energy set

[timber falcon]

252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow on a critical hit: 186-220 (94.4 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

didnt mean to paste twice

[mighty stump]

Man had to run that calc twice in disbelief

LOL

[timber falcon]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 211-250 (107.1 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

same amount of turns to set up

[chrome knot]

uhm

[mighty stump]

U clikc Nplot they click AVeil

Now what

[timber falcon]

forgot about screen stuff ugh

[chrome knot]

you click nplot they click blizzard ._.

[timber falcon]

i need an answer to snow i get it

[molten oasis]

and you're looking at the worse of the setters

[ember linden]

A free dozo option too

[chrome knot]

yeah whats the dragon pulse calc on alolan ninetales after a nasty plot boost

[ember linden]

Lmao

[timber falcon]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow with an ally's Aurora Veil: 140-166 (71 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

yeah not the best

[molten oasis]

this team is abysmal lol

not yours

[timber falcon]

i havent even shown a paste

oh ok

[molten oasis]

im playing a very bad team

im lost rn

cant exactly get mad either lol

[timber falcon]

so what im underdstanding here is focus energy scope lens has more consistency and that my MU into grimsnarl + alolan ninetails sucks

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7764b242be7b2f1d here ya go the worst thing i've ever played

[molten oasis]

why are you worrying about ninetales and grimmsnarl again?

[timber falcon]

cause i cant hit them with hydreigon lol

[ember linden]

The garg milotic team I cooked up ended up being mid so now I'm running Water Tauros Volc and Rilla core

[molten oasis]

shouldn't the worry be focused around mausape and archaludon

[molten oasis]

they're not that relevant

[timber falcon]

so then i should lose everygame i go against them?

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/linokisser-gif-reaction-tiktok-alien-gif-21656547

[timber falcon]

theyre something i should definitely account for

[molten oasis]

then run fucking gholdengo

👍

[timber falcon]

hm

[ember linden]

What's the problem?

Arch an smth else?

[molten oasis]

grimmsnarl and a9

[ember linden]

O

[molten oasis]

im surprised primarina isnt on that list OTOT

[ember linden]

Yeah ghold

[timber falcon]

the type of game i wanna play is the one thing

[timber falcon]

forgot. fairy types suck in general for it

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[ember linden]

I mean if you have a grass type you're good

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/afd5ef33e77c0c80 in the process of looking for replacements for prima

thoughts on smth to add?

[timber falcon]

this right here is the kind of game i wanna try out

[molten oasis]

theres not, thats tricky

ig like, maushold and murkrow? idk

[timber falcon]

to replace prim?

[molten oasis]

no

for what you want out of this

[timber falcon]

experience

i want experience with different type of playstyles

[molten oasis]

[ember linden]

You could go Clef for Maus and use a competitive water type or smth

[timber falcon]

its my only reason lol

[molten oasis]

no man

im saying FOR YOUR TEAM

[timber falcon]

ohhh

yeah i wanna set up and sweep

[ember linden]

[timber falcon]

hm

[molten oasis]

dengo talon/krow maushold probably

[timber falcon]

yeah dengo definitely a better sweeper here

[ember linden]

I was talking about Dray's team

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[molten oasis]

what do i need a competitive water type for

incin's dealt with with tauros

[ember linden]

Or js a water type

[molten oasis]

and maus is better than clef

[craggy dagger]

but unaware clefable

[ember linden]

I just like unaware redirection

[molten oasis]

OH YOU MEANT THAT

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 36: Clefable

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/70/73/95/90/60

Total

483

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[ember linden]

Probably team dependent

[molten oasis]

im not using clefable

i like maus

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

what are some spread moves that dengo dont like apart from snarl i already know that

[ember linden]

Unaware no investment moonblast on Dozo does 30% which is crazy

Heat wave

[molten oasis]

uh

[foggy lodge]

Ideas of a 4th move for Entei? https://pokepast.es/3b7841e59e71c5f3

[molten oasis]

heat wave is kinda it i believe

[craggy dagger]

heat wave, earthquake

[molten oasis]

who's running eq

[timber falcon]

dozo

[craggy dagger]

the bear is

and dozo yeah

[molten oasis]

fair

[ember linden]

Rilla makes it not worth but ghold still not trying to take that dmg

[craggy dagger]

uhhh
dazzling gleam from random fairy types if you tera dragon dengo

[timber falcon]

i think ima straight up just run balance gholdengo team

[ember linden]

Hisuian Decidueye

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

this is the concept so far, i will need something for those spread moves and rilla isnt set in stone

[molten oasis]

gastrodon?

[timber falcon]

yeah i wanna try it out

[molten oasis]

why?

[ember linden]

It's really solid

[timber falcon]

rain

[molten oasis]

its mid

[timber falcon]

also i think it has some potential

[molten oasis]

it has a borken move and scrappy

[ember linden]

Gastro walls arch and Peli

[timber falcon]

it in fact does not

[molten oasis]

body press

electro shot post tera

[timber falcon]

not even BP, draco gonna hurt

[molten oasis]

hurricane

[timber falcon]

mhm

it slows them down

[craggy dagger]

it walls archapeli on paper

[ember linden]

Scope lens with Leaf Blade and Triple Arrows are critting constantly

[molten oasis]

ok

doesn't fix its mediocrity

[craggy dagger]

you need av on that thing or it’s dead instantly

[ember linden]

Sorry I meant with fairy tera on gastro it helps in the mu

[molten oasis]

imo its on fraud watch until it wins something

[timber falcon]

leaf blade constantly getting# crit?

shouldnt it be inconsistent

[dapper crag]

Move: Leaf Blade

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

it’s too fast for trick room and too slow for tailwind

[ember linden]

Yeah it has a high cr

[timber falcon]

oh wow

[molten oasis]

idk man, i hardly see the appeal besides oo, dengo answer, which can be solves elsewhere

[ember linden]

Give it solid redirection or fo and it's doing dmh

[craggy dagger]

scope lens ogerpon

[molten oasis]

and archa answer

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
it’s appeal is the move

[molten oasis]

if it hasn't exploded

[craggy dagger]

that’s about it

[molten oasis]

well yea

[timber falcon]

i think it can work

with AV

[craggy dagger]

ehhhh

[molten oasis]

ehh

[timber falcon]

work doesnt mean good btw

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[timber falcon]

thats slow

[molten oasis]

idt its good lol

[craggy dagger]

um-
been using av hidueye since reg D-
it’s okay?
def not the best but oh well what can you do

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5c609ea6a31cbfc6 thoughts on a 6th member? probably for like, psyspam ig

since thats what prima helped with

[timber falcon]

you have a dark type right there

and rilla

[molten oasis]

hatt blows it up

moving on

[timber falcon]

rilla dengo?

[molten oasis]

nvm then

just a 6th, for something, cuz idk what to add

[molten oasis]

torkoal

these teams tend to have torkoal

[timber falcon]

so you need a tr answer

or wide guard

[molten oasis]

well thats what prima was doing, NO

[craggy dagger]

it’d be iffy but wide guard gallade?

[molten oasis]

N-O

to peli

[timber falcon]

swampert

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[molten oasis]

do i need to explain why thats a bad idea? lol

[craggy dagger]

max hp is enough to take a hurricane on a roll i think though

[timber falcon]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 475: Gallade

Types

Psychic/Fighting

Abilities

Steadfast, Sharpness, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/125/65/65/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gallade-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gallade: 150-176 (85.7 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

sure but like, gallade looks clunky here

[craggy dagger]

yuh

[timber falcon]

yeah galade doesnt look that good for the team on paper i feel like

[craggy dagger]

trick room huh…

[timber falcon]

araquanid?

[molten oasis]

again, clunky

the speed tier is really bad for this team

[craggy dagger]

sash whimsicott with trick room

[timber falcon]

why dont you try rushing tr

[molten oasis]

what?

[craggy dagger]

cause a simple follow me trick room can ruin the team

[molten oasis]

i dont have the offense for that

[timber falcon]

imprison

i mean i have it on my farig and it works really well

[molten oasis]

sigh the problem is torkoal not trick room

[timber falcon]

oh yeah liligant

[craggy dagger]

lilikoal yeah

[bold geode]

Hai Nova

[molten oasis]

only option is really peli so im just gonna keep primarina

[craggy dagger]

this is where walking wake would be good-
if it wasn’t banned

[bold geode]

[timber falcon]

tbh im not sure whats good into lilikoal except resist and weather

[molten oasis]

fuck off

[craggy dagger]

helloiuuuu

[chrome knot]

gummy bear

[ember linden]

Js use Flutter smh

[molten oasis]

congrats

[atomic mural]

epic

[craggy dagger]

why not run uh

[ember linden]

Destroy it

[craggy dagger]

blood moon?

[timber falcon]

0speed?

[chrome knot]

yes

0spatk0spe

[timber falcon]

:0

[molten oasis]

how long did that take?

[chrome knot]

awhile

[craggy dagger]

less than 24hrs methinks

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon?

[mighty stump]

Bo1 CTS for Reg H is gonna shorten my lifespan

[molten oasis]

LOL

[timber falcon]

lmao

[chrome knot]

no ?

[molten oasis]

is it that bad

[molten oasis]

not directed towards you sorry

[craggy dagger]

it could work-
whatever the spread was-
252hp 156+ spa, 100 speed throat spray

[molten oasis]

im not that dumb

i'd rather run prima lol

[timber falcon]

btw what went wrong with prim

[molten oasis]

if i was going throat spray stuff

its underwhelming

[craggy dagger]

suit yourself-
that’s a sun weakened water move on torkoal anyways

[molten oasis]

it still hurts

[timber falcon]

doesnt peli just help lmao

u can change weather and have wide guard, heck mayb even tw

[craggy dagger]

a lot less than earth power from the bear i would think

[molten oasis]

i already said that and stated im not running peli cuz peli is such a boring thing to use

and it hurts tauros

[craggy dagger]

cause unlike pixilate

[timber falcon]

[craggy dagger]

liquid voice doesn’t give the extra 1.2 buff

[ornate elk]

[craggy dagger]

magearna

[timber falcon]

bro facade bear on neutral is my nightmare

[craggy dagger]

now imagine facade was super effective

[molten oasis]

+1 188+ SpA Liquid Voice Primarina Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Torkoal in Sun: 116-138 (65.5 - 77.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

as i said

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[molten oasis]

still hurts

[timber falcon]

mhm

[solid frigate]

Kid Named Clefairy:

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/d3a9bee4227b5d3b just need thoughts on these 2 (teras not done yet)

[timber falcon]

dont forget abour lilgant though. they can protect tutrle and deal with prim

[molten oasis]

someone suggested getting rid of tauros for ape

[cyan smelt]

You know I might try my reg a team again except with indeedee in place of spiritomb and use rabsca again

[solid frigate]

im just suprised People trying H-Deci just because of that one matchup

[craggy dagger]

suit yourself

+1 156+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Torkoal: 320-380 (180.7 - 214.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

and i hate that archetype so hell nah

[molten oasis]

btw

[timber falcon]

why are u running tauros anyways

[craggy dagger]

156+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Torkoal: 216-254 (122 - 143.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

this is considering it hasn't gotten set up under tr

[craggy dagger]

doesn’t even need throat spray

[solid frigate]

thats just Overkill in normal Standards

[molten oasis]

cuz unlike primarina bloodmoon gets nuked

[craggy dagger]

yeah-
that’s why we’re running 100 speed

[molten oasis]

im keeping prima

[craggy dagger]

suit yourself-
prim needs two hits-
ursaluna only needs one without the hyper voice boost as well

[solid frigate]

is there any Special Attacking Water types that is Not Milotic ot Prima

[craggy dagger]

greninja

[mighty stump]

I'm so lost what even is going on LOL

[solid frigate]

don’t remind me of making that Team

i haven’t done anything on it lol

[cyan smelt]

Empoleon

[molten oasis]

im doubting my team, tried to replace prima, but prima is doing what it needs to

[craggy dagger]

looking for a 6th on drago’s team
he’s looking for an answer to torkoal and uhhh
primarina vs blood moon

[solid frigate]

Loving it

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon isnt a torkoal answer lol

[craggy dagger]

though i will say-
prim is still prolly better for the fairy coverage anyways

[molten oasis]

if tr goes up

[timber falcon]

then dont let them tr. Maus has taunt no?

[craggy dagger]

if trick room goes up-
does any of your pokemon become an answer to torkoal?

[molten oasis]

yk what i'll just play better

[cyan smelt]

I don't want to run psyspam but I ran it in reg a so idk

[craggy dagger]

dunno-
you said you’re looking for an answer to torkoal but under trick room don’t think much can be an answer cause of 22 speed

[cyan smelt]

Clodsire kek

[craggy dagger]

iron ball amoongus i guess

[molten oasis]

i dont feel like you're seeing what im seeing

[timber falcon]

maybe running liligant torkoal will make u have insight on what gets in the way

[molten oasis]

prima doesnt explode to torkoal

ursa does

[timber falcon]

prim get 2 tapped anyways

[craggy dagger]

you wanna test that?

[molten oasis]

ik from experience but oookay

[cyan smelt]

Clodsire has the same speed as torkoal

[craggy dagger]

so you’ve been running into the not specs variant of torkoal i see

that thing explodes almost everything

[cyan smelt]

Isn't torkoal usually charcoal

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina in Sun: 60-72 (33.8 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fire Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. +1 172 HP / 36 SpD Primarina in Sun: 68-81 (38.4 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[timber falcon]

i stand corrected

[molten oasis]

you we're saying?

[mighty stump]

I mean

[molten oasis]

compared to

[mighty stump]

Once you eat one max BP Eruption

You chunk it

and now they do nothing

[molten oasis]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Fire Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon in Sun: 328-386 (149.7 - 176.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[timber falcon]

btw what does prim do against liligant torkoal

[cyan smelt]

Then they switch to heat wave

[molten oasis]

i have goggles maus

so i just attack liligant

[craggy dagger]

ehhhh

[timber falcon]

idk about that

[molten oasis]

which does signifigantly less

[craggy dagger]

if they do get rid of your maus

[molten oasis]

already weakened

[craggy dagger]

yeah that’s not gonna do anything sorry

[timber falcon]

liligant is normally sashed right?

[molten oasis]

yea if i bring it to sash i just click like, grassy glide

[craggy dagger]

ooo-
you’d have to tera in the face of a rilla though-

ehhh

still i think prim is better cause fairy coverage

blood moon was just a random thought i had

[molten oasis]

im gonna try mystic water tho

[craggy dagger]

uhhhh

[molten oasis]

it needs a boost in damage

[timber falcon]

normally deedee armourouge in the back

[mighty stump]

[timber falcon]

though i havent used prim, im just speculating outcomes so dont take my word for it

[molten oasis]

this is fun isnt it tofu

[craggy dagger]

throat spray is generally better isn’t it?
i know someone who was messing with choice specs prim

[mighty stump]

p much

[molten oasis]

its calm mind

[craggy dagger]

ah

ffs appletun is still faster than torkoal

[molten oasis]

torkoal is slow

[cyan smelt]

Hydrapple

[molten oasis]

is faster than torkoal

[timber falcon]

slowest last evo no? (or base)

[cyan smelt]

Oh wait Appletun has thick fat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 598: Ferrothorn

Types

Grass/Steel

Abilities

Iron Barbs, Anticipation (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/94/131/54/116/20

Total

489

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[cyan smelt]

Wait what about lax

[molten oasis]

tied with this guy

lax is 30 base i believe

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but you have thick fat

[molten oasis]

fair

[craggy dagger]

munchie though-
eviolite munchie with thick fat-
but it’s not like it’s gonna even
do any damage

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 446: Munchlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Pickup, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

135/85/40/40/85/5

Total

390

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[cyan smelt]

Just use lax with fissure lmao

[dapper crag]

Munchlax's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Chip Away, Counter, Covet, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Punch, Fissure, Flail, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Headbutt, Hold Back, Ice Punch, Last Resort, Lick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Power-Up Punch, Pursuit, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Self-Destruct, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Belch, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Surf, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

After You, Amnesia, Attract, Belly Drum, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Metronome, Odor Sleuth, Protect, Rain Dance, Recycle, Rest, Sandstorm, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Stockpile, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swallow, Toxic, Whirlwind, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Munchlax.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

ok so anyway uh, i wont change much then

[craggy dagger]

i’ve seen a-
room service torkoal though so keep an eye out for that

[molten oasis]

thats, wtf lol

[timber falcon]

wtf is the point lmao

[mighty stump]

If it's room service then it does less daamge

[craggy dagger]

yup

[molten oasis]

bro doesnt wanna hunt 0 speed torkoal

[timber falcon]

oh oh

[torn parrot]

Gotta underspeed the clodsire vgc meta

[mighty stump]

fr

[timber falcon]

tofu

im tryna run something like this from ur blog, any ideas

[mighty stump]

git gud

[molten oasis]

lul

[timber falcon]

[mighty stump]

I mean

Are you looking for a core 3

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/7087b73fa37bf542

[mighty stump]

Cause like an easy one is just Maus Ghold Talon

Lol

[cyan smelt]

Why am I seriously considering running psyspam

[timber falcon]

oh so im on the right track ig

[timber falcon]

cause it can win u games lul

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

that paste is a joke but it’d be funny

[cyan smelt]

I really want to use rabsca

[timber falcon]

for what

[cyan smelt]

E force spam

[craggy dagger]

trick room revival blessing i’d assume

[dapper crag]

Rabsca's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bug Bite, Dig, Facade, Fling, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Leech Life, Lunge, Poltergeist, Pounce, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Skitter Smack, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Bug Buzz, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Earth Power, Electro Ball, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Extrasensory, Future Sight, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Power Gem, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Stored Power, Struggle Bug, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Defense Curl, Endure, Gravity, Guard Swap, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Memento, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Revival Blessing, Safeguard, Sand Attack, Sandstorm, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Trick, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Rabsca.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/dbe07bda2e4c0465 @mighty stump do you think anything needs changes or is this fine?

gonna try mystic for extra damage

[timber falcon]

anyone wann bo3

[molten oasis]

was stated that tauros could be replaced for ape but i dont feel like doing that

[cyan smelt]

Rabsca is also slower than both ursas in tr

[bold geode]

Just Life Orb at that point

[molten oasis]

no

[craggy dagger]

do people even run specs dengo anymore?

[mighty stump]

All the time

Lol

[craggy dagger]

or has metal coat been normalized

[bold geode]

Some yeah

[mighty stump]

Also normal

I mean

[molten oasis]

i like metal coat

[mighty stump]

Im like looking at this team

[craggy dagger]

i mean i guess it does depend on what you need from dengo

[cyan smelt]

I thought it was trick specs

[mighty stump]

And i'm a bit confused

[molten oasis]

about?

[mighty stump]

The lack of speed control is also concerning imo

Cause I dont know if you have enough bulk

Well

More in the case of

I don't know if youll be able to capitalise off of your boosts

Especially with something like Murkrow going for Hazes

[timber falcon]

does haze affect dengo

[molten oasis]

i mean, i just cant boost infront of murkrow

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[craggy dagger]

i think so yes

[mighty stump]

Youll probabyl lean on Tauros/Hydreigon for Gholdengo stuff

[dapper crag]

Move: Haze

Resets the stat stages of all active Pokemon to 0.

Type

Ice

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

No clue what you do against Dozo

[bold geode]

Haze affects Dengo

[molten oasis]

thats what i've been doing

[molten oasis]

maus, encore

[dapper crag]

Ability: Good as Gold

This Pokemon is immune to Status moves.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[mighty stump]

You're not fast enough

[molten oasis]

super fang

[mighty stump]

Lol

[bold geode]

Murkrow Dengo was a duo in Reg A and will be for Reg H solely cuz you could Make It Rain Haze spam

[molten oasis]

is this an older, fuck

[mighty stump]

And for TR

[molten oasis]

i readjusted to fast max hp maus

[cyan smelt]

Also anything that wants to reset stat boosts

[molten oasis]

ig i only put that on my phone

so does the team need to be reworked then? cuz it sounds like it has a lot of issues

[craggy dagger]

oh
haze make it rain

[devout mist]

ya

[craggy dagger]

kinda wanted to forget that

[cyan smelt]

Fuck it I'm gonna try indeedee rabsca

[mighty stump]

I mean for TR you probably just have to go for setup on Prim and try to control terrain with Rilla

That's about it

[molten oasis]

thats what i've been doing yea

[mighty stump]

You can also try Snarl Hydreigon or something

[solid frigate]

hoo boi

[molten oasis]

wouldn't i want AV then?

[solid frigate]

good luck

[mighty stump]

Depends on how you feel lol

[molten oasis]

so do i need more bulk for the team? idk where to slot any speed control

unless i go tw on hydrei

[dapper crag]

Maushold's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Beat Up, Bite, Bullet Seed, Crunch, Dig, Double Hit, Double-Edge, Facade, Feint, Giga Impact, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Population Bomb, Pound, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw, Super Fang, Take Down, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Chilling Water, Echoed Voice, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Pulse

Status Moves

After You, Agility, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Charm, Copycat, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Follow Me, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Switcheroo, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Tidy Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Maushold.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

you get thunder wave

[timber falcon]

what speed to dengos have these days, i might just go for outspeed peli

timid dengo?

[molten oasis]

modest dengo can outspeed peli

eh but you probably want timid tbh

[timber falcon]

idk which i get more value out of, timid is 100evs and modest is 196

timid hits 185 at 252 whilst modest hits 205

im running NP so timid looks fine

anddd showdown corrected me back to modest

[molten oasis]

mm, idk what to do tbh

if i need speed control i have to sacrifice earth power for hydrei or, ig protect or encore on maus

if i go bulkier on my sets i lose out on immediate damage

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179344320-e3ehkw8ght1nfz3j0yi7aznss8oo32apw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2179349455-poacwu01mkjvs2rig4l6xk265w3oetupw

idk if I can play 9 rounds of rain mirror at a regional

[timber falcon]

does sash maus need bulk

[mighty stump]

I'm still max hp max spe

even with sash

Just cause you plan on taking hits the general bulk can help.

Plus there isn't anywhere else the EVs can go and no multi-hit mons

Technically sure you can max out attack if you want to like

boost Feint or something lol

[timber falcon]

maus gets feint?

[chrome knot]

Maushold @ Focus Sash
Ability: Friend Guard
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

[solid frigate]

is it really the best way to Build Gren is to Just Water Shuriken with Archaludon

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a932063cc8a0325f does this look ok?

[solid frigate]

yeah its fine for a Balance team

[mighty stump]

Just try it

Play it

SAVE REPLAYS

and review and go from there

[molten oasis]

i have been doing this

ty

[mighty stump]

Make some written notes

Then we can discuss

[cyan smelt]

Well that was an easy team to make

[molten oasis]

ok

[cyan smelt]

I might try it out now

[mighty stump]

What, Indeedee Rabsca?

[cyan smelt]

I've got indeedee, rabsca, ursaluna, torkoal, kingambit and gallade, the only question is should I go sneasler for a fast mode

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump can you watch my set I think I had like 5 missed win opportunities

[mighty stump]

uh sure

[chrome knot]

game 1 I lost to time bc I was floundering around too much so not super important

game 2/3 were a little scrappy but I made a good call to seal game 3

[mighty stump]

Ok

Send

[timber falcon]

im tryna check limitless tour teams but it keeps taking me to 2023 tournaments

[mighty stump]

Hi use LabMaus

[chrome knot]

these ones @mighty stump

[timber falcon]

thank you

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[torn parrot]

i feel like

[timber falcon]

hmm sharp beak tera ghost

[mighty stump]

If you want a set for that I have one

[timber falcon]

yes please

[torn parrot]

bwahacough has been waiting so long for tyranitar lyncancrock to be viable again

he still does it every single reg tho

respect

[mighty stump]

Fr

[timber falcon]

truly dedicated to tha craft

anyways, tofu you said u had a talonflame set?

[mighty stump]

Give me a moment I have one pair of eyes

@chrome knot G2 was fine imo

It was just a lot of back and forth and imo you could have done some better covers and when Rain was up, just spam Electro Shot until Amoonguss came in to just blow it up with Draco

But perfect timing

[molten oasis]

I watch a 2 minutes of a video and immediately get ads

And I got ads, 2 minutes ago

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot You lost Incin way too fast lmao

[molten oasis]

Yt ads are so bad lol

[timber falcon]

i really like that Nike one though

[chrome knot]

it was my only option that turn '

[mighty stump]

I guess

[molten oasis]

I mean idc what the ad is

[chrome knot]

I had to setup for the later game

[molten oasis]

It’s still an ad, and I’m not interested

[foggy lodge]

Is it true that chinese players are playing Caly Shadow + Galarian Weezing

[mighty stump]

Are they clear amulet Fin or what

Cause imo Pollen Puff + Archa Switch would have been fine

[timber falcon]

listen to the Nike "am i a bad person" add lmao. So good it had me looking up the advert

[mighty stump]

You're late to that lol

[chrome knot]

mystic water but yes I see that now

[mighty stump]

Uhm, for G3, and do note it's like midnight and my brain is mush but yeah

[chrome knot]

I just didnt want to take 70%(20% after pollen) from a wave crash

[mighty stump]

I think that would have been a better play + you could always just re-enter with Incin after since Pala is forced to go byebye

True

But everytime Palafin Wave Crash recoil damage ticks upwards

and sooner or later you can punish that

But well played though

[chrome knot]

imagine a world I swap to arch, wave crash + knock

I just lose arch and the game

[mighty stump]

What's your Arch EVs?

[chrome knot]

Archaludon (F) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 36 SpA / 204 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Body Press

[mighty stump]

No you're fine

I'm convinced you would live that anyways

[chrome knot]

yeah except now im in an awful spot regardless of how u look at it

uncomfy for arch to take that amount of damage with no trade

[mighty stump]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon in Rain: 93-111 (47.2 - 56.3%) -- 83.2% chance to 2HKO

4 Atk Incineroar Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 33-40 (16.7 - 20.3%) -- possible 5HKO

Yeah but side Pollen Puff

Cause you were switching next to Amoong

You were Taunted, not like you could click anything else