competitive_discussion

[jade dust]

But then enemy amoonguss stop my team

[molten oasis]

kill it

CIR is a major threat to it

[solid frigate]

who cares when you just one shot it

[molten oasis]

if it tera's to water you have a raging bolt

[sweet swallow]

Noob question
Does sitrus berry activate in the middle of a multi hit move?
Never had it happen before

[molten oasis]

yes

[jade dust]

Oh wow like if I did t try. It moves first before my caly ice

[solid frigate]

yeah thats how Sitrus Incineroar survives Surging Strikes

[molten oasis]

are you setting tr on it

dont set trick room if amoonguss is on the field

[solid frigate]

just fucking Nuke it,It OHKOs Amoonguss

[jade dust]

No but they switch in after I take something else down

[molten oasis]

so you're being outplayed then

[solid frigate]

get good then

[molten oasis]

cuz that team without buzz can handle amoonguss just fine

you dont have to have tr up, although its encouraged

[solid frigate]

or heck you can just run Rillaboom for another Spore Immunity

or Ogerpon Rock for a Fast Mode

[molten oasis]

rilla's not really a amoonguss answer its just a way to prevent spore

[jade dust]

I sent incineroar in to fake out and delete amoonguss but for some reason they run protect on it

[molten oasis]

why arent you goggles incin?

[sweet swallow]

Safety goggles on incin?

[jade dust]

Fucking idiots just let it die

[molten oasis]

thats normal

[sweet swallow]

Ah hahaha

[solid frigate]

even time knows Safety Googles works

[sweet swallow]

Hey
The team I stole had it like that ok

[molten oasis]

ok, give incin will o wisp over flareblitz, and goggles over iapapa berry

[solid frigate]

sorry

[jade dust]

But then no fire damage move

[molten oasis]

try rilla shifu or amoongus over electabuzz

[sweet swallow]

Still baby tho
I’ll be happy when I reach mb rank hehe

[molten oasis]

you have rain what fire damage are you realistically doing

[solid frigate]

You dont need it-

you are running a rain team

[solid frigate]

i just reached it with Pagos Yesterday

[jade dust]

I didn’t really want to use pelipper but it gives more coverage than mieshao or hitmontop

That way I have water coverage

[molten oasis]

pelipper's good

[little plank]

Master ball was rough this regulation lol

[sweet swallow]

I have a korai WW team

[molten oasis]

so here's what we do for your team

[solid frigate]

its not even that common

plus Do you know how weather ball works?

[solid frigate]

i am fucked-

[sweet swallow]

I have a pretty good win rate rn (watch me jinx that…) just taking it slow lol

[jade dust]

I know it needs weather, in sun it’s a fire move

[molten oasis]

give calyrex trick room over seed bomb you do not need it. give incin goggles and will o wisp over blitz, try out rilla or amoonguss over electabuzz

[solid frigate]

same,Tho i might stop grinding

[sweet swallow]

Oh?

[solid frigate]

Im usjng Pagos and its a death sentence for me

[molten oasis]

i think miraidon is better than pagos tbh

[molten oasis]

pagos is like 4th imo

[solid frigate]

in terms of Raw Damage,Yes it’s infinitely better

I even put Miraidon in 2nd best until Caly Shadow make a return

[molten oasis]

fuck CSR, stupid horse

[ornate elk]

I was ping here

[sweet swallow]

Hahaha yeah
Had one game that was pretty clutch with it

[ornate elk]

Found who pinged me

[sweet swallow]

Rip pagos :<

[solid frigate]

That Turtle Is dead

[sweet swallow]

Speaking of Miraidon, I have a lot of trouble against it (mainly bc no immunities so I have to be smart.,. And I am not (yet))

[solid frigate]

Usually Rillaboom and Bolt are the main guys to check Miraidon’s Damage Output by nerfing it with Terrain and resists

[sweet swallow]

I have rilla, no bolt though

Thank

[solid frigate]

Rilla is genuinely fine

if you wanna be Hateful against Miraidon you can run High Horsepower

and Tera Ground

[sweet swallow]

Hehehehe

Oops sorry didn’t mean to ping

Does about 70-80%?

You just need to pin it down

[solid frigate]

lemme check

[solid frigate]

148+ Atk Rillaboom High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 108-128 (61.7 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you run AV Rilla sets

[sweet swallow]

Yee

You nailed it

I shall keep it in mind going forward

[bold geode]

Thundurus Therian is the true sauce

[solid frigate]

Volt Absorb Lets gooooo

[bold geode]

Yeah so I haven't released team yet
But yeah I've used Tera Fairy Thundurus Therian before as an end game for Miraidon and Raging Bolt

[solid frigate]

basically Raichu but more on Offense right

[bold geode]

Yeah
Although Thundurus Therian doesn't redirect Electric moves
It just gets healed if it goes into that slot

[molten oasis]

you're better at finding nice picks nowadays huh

[solid frigate]

he got Nova Pilled

I dont even consider Thundy T-

Mainly cuz i dont have it

[bold geode]

Yes

Tbf I was gonna use Landorus Incarnate but it don't do exactly same thing (although wasn't thinking about that in the moment) then for some reason it came in my mind and I literally felt my whole train of thought fucking halt

I never have pulled up the damage calculator for a niche thing before

[solid frigate]

i mean its fair

Lando is more like Wanna do Damage on it while Thundy T is more on endgame

[bold geode]

Or as quick as Thundy T

[solid frigate]

wait how fast is Thundy T

[molten oasis]

cool

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus-Therian

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Volt Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/105/70/145/80/101

Total

580

Base Species

Thundurus

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

You can use a Scarf to outspeed Adamant Scarf Shifu

[molten oasis]

ig i already use the niche thing (zac) so ig theres not as much of a need

[solid frigate]

same with me (Iron Crown)

[bold geode]

And then like
If you have access to Wildbolt spam, you're also rolling for speed control on top of the Scarf

[solid frigate]

Isnt the same with Scarf Lando I-

But eh i mean different purposes

[bold geode]

You can
But Scarf Thundy can probably OHKO it too

[solid frigate]

Ok thats Fair

[bold geode]

Like you have to TW with Torn Shifu to even do anything, which opens up options in how I can play the turn

[solid frigate]

i guess its fair

Like you dont want to be weak to Urshifu as well cuz Ground Typing hurts Lando I

[bold geode]

Cuz Tera Water Surging Strikes SHOULD pick up the KO (idr if I rolled it but even if I did it wasn't as favorable)
But like
There's ways around it

[solid frigate]

exactly

[dapper crag]

Thundurus-Therian's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Astonish, Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Facade, Fling, Fly, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Knock Off, Lash Out, Smack Down, Smart Strike, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thief, Thrash, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Discharge, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Shock Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snarl, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Wildbolt Storm

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Charge, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Thundurus-Therian.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

thank god it does not learn tailwind

otherwise its-

[little plank]

Urshifu is so hard to deal with, if it wasn't for his ability to go through protect it wouldn't be so bad lol

[bold geode]

Oh it's the more offensive one anyways so

[solid frigate]

not that bad when raging Bolt exists

But eh it happens

[solid frigate]

Fair point

[nocturne holly]

Why is McDonald’s playing comp

Bro go fix your ice cream machine please 🙏

[solid frigate]

Should we tell him?

[next stump]

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[nocturne holly]

Yoo Baltimore is really close to me

That’s been the closest one in like a year

Sadly can’t go 😔

[knotty mirage]

Back then but i think calyrex is much more annoying to deal with than shifu

[little plank]

Turn 1 was raging bolt and Groudon into CIR and RS urshifu. Urshifu tera grass... all that need to be said lmao

[solid frigate]

only in Baltimore

[solid frigate]

i swear whats with the Influx of Tera Grass Shifu lol

[violet kindle]

Why does terapogos ignore fake out

[solid frigate]

Covert Cloak Terapagos

it ignores Secondary Effects

[nocturne holly]

oh my fucking gosh

[solid frigate]

make sure it guarantees to set up calm mind

[violet kindle]

Ohhh

[nocturne holly]

I lost due to inactivity because my animations take too long

[violet kindle]

Thats why 🤣

[nocturne holly]

I fucking hate that it was anyone’s game

[violet kindle]

I do that first turn

[nocturne holly]

I’m so fucking pissed

[solid frigate]

exactly

[violet kindle]

I been sweeping like crazy!

Im almost master ball

Im pushing

Oh no i see a miradion team help me!!! Pls!!

[solid frigate]

somehow the outdated team that i cant pilot well somehow made it to rank 9

But eh i got into Master Ball so i am chilling

[solid frigate]

Calm Mind Pagos should have a better Matchup against Miraidon

[violet kindle]

Im gonna keep using it

[violet kindle]

Ok atleast its not a okidogi amd miradion tag team 😭

[solid frigate]

Rilla should be fine against Mirai

Dont worry

[violet kindle]

If onyl

I had rilla!!

Whims tailwinds

He kills my tornadus 100%

Indeed he does

Now time to commit mass atrocities

[solid frigate]

Thats why i switch from Torn to Rilla

i mean whims sorry

[violet kindle]

Tor is needed!

Ohhhhhhh 😭

[solid frigate]

Whims is better cuz Encore is funni

[sweet swallow]

Encore destroyed me today

It was horrible

I enjoyed it though. We’re learning.

[knotty mirage]

I really want to push ladder but if i do that i will lost the alolan raichu outbreak

[violet kindle]

It is making me use calm mind!!

Made use my fourth

Im good now

Nvm!!

It just did it again

Im gonna be max 😭

Atleast chi yu kills

Nvm tail wind!

[sweet swallow]

Lesson no 1: always get rid of whimsicott if you can without trouble

Encore is not fun hahahahahah

[violet kindle]

I just got sweeped

[violet kindle]

I couldnt

[knotty mirage]

Probably the reason why most people afraid to click fake out in front of it

[violet kindle]

It kept encoring my calm mine!!

Terapogos was probably max stat boosted

I used like 8-10

[solid frigate]

lmao

[violet kindle]

I hate life

[sweet swallow]

Switching out is a thing, but depends on the game ig

[violet kindle]

Whimsicott ruined it

[solid frigate]

another reason why i edited my team

[violet kindle]

Make another pagos!

I want another pagos!

[solid frigate]

not for SV Rental but i used it and got into Master Ball

[violet kindle]

Cresselia!

The helping hand is worth it all

The helping hand is worth it all

Im gonna riot

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah still making it too predictable tho after you click fake out there good chance they will just focus the fake out slot

[solid frigate]

i removed cress cuz i remake the Pagos EVs and i forgot +2 Pagos is insane

[sweet swallow]

https://pokepast.es/55bb523baf23e34c

This is the one I am using

[solid frigate]

yeha nothing wrong here

[sweet swallow]

I mean, it’s not mine so makes sense hahahaha

[knotty mirage]

Oh wait nevermind incin will just not be afraid of clicking it

[sweet swallow]

I want to try making my own next regulation

[solid frigate]

Even then

+2 Earth Power from Pagos Kills non AV Incins

everytime i bring Chi Yu Out it just fuckinf dies

i mean Incin fucking dies

@violet kindle i kinda wanna see how you use my team,Can you Battle me?

[violet kindle]

One sec

[violet kindle]

We doing 4v4?

[solid frigate]

Link code 256

[solid frigate]

yep

[violet kindle]

Ok

I see you i see you

Testing my skills

Water ghost rider?!

The hell

[solid frigate]

wonky Cart Ladder Moment

[violet kindle]

Easy sweep

0 down!

Back to back!

Im reasy

@solid frigate same code?

[solid frigate]

Yes

[violet kindle]

Found ya

I led 4 for ya

As promised

Go amazing turtle!

Shine bright!

He dies it dont matter

Oh no there own!

Oh wait im dumb

50/50 now!

Outspeed!

Good fishie!

No!!

[solid frigate]

ggs

[violet kindle]

Fish boy!!!

😭

[solid frigate]

Its scarf Chi Yu thats why

[violet kindle]

I forgot that

[violet kindle]

Now i need whimsicot

[solid frigate]

And also My Pagos is +2 and thank god the roll is on my side

[violet kindle]

Real

Thank the good roll!! So good….

For u!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would’ve won i bet

[solid frigate]

i think if i lead Urshifu it would be way Different

but eh i dont complain

[violet kindle]

Those i used are the main 4 i use

[solid frigate]

you did well on my team

[violet kindle]

Suprisinlgy

[solid frigate]

i mean probably because i am expecting Tornshifu Lead

[violet kindle]

I dont use ursh 😭

[solid frigate]

Urshifu is good in Pagos Mirror

And also i can’t belive i almost got wiped by my Creation

[zinc totem]

what is common CSR team? CSR, clefairy, incine and torn?

[next stump]

a good amount of them don’t use Torn

just CSR, Incin, Rilla, Urshifu, Clefairy/Amoonguss, etc.

[zinc totem]

water shifu right?

[next stump]

yep

[solid frigate]

Its mostly Just FWG Core Main Bois,Clefairy and Torn

[little plank]

Lmao just played against a smeargle muk team

They found how useful gravity can be

[zinc totem]

out of pcoker question: max HP max def is clefairy evs?

[solid frigate]

Gravity go brrrrr

[solid frigate]

mostly that yeah

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/6f93ef79de7c1c4b hey can somebody help me out with my team real quick im looking for a good water type that i could fit into my team and replace on of the members with due to its extreme fire weakness

[chrome knot]

fake tears over protect is pretty brave

[hot lynx]

im just following some sets that people suggested to me last night im not really an expert tbh

might actually replace it with protect cus i've never had to use it

[chrome knot]

you got like 4 physical attackers & 1 setup for itself special attacker

and a fungus

[hot lynx]

the fungus amongus

[chrome knot]

id prob go ursh water what are u even trying to hit with ursh dark

[hot lynx]

its cus in the actual game i got dark instead of water and i can't afford sw/sh dlc so i can't get water 😭

[chrome knot]

._.

[hot lynx]

my thought process is that theres a lot of other good water types out there i could probally use instead maybe it wasn't a good idea

[chrome knot]

there are 2..

[sweet swallow]

Do you have the DLC?

[hot lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

im cooked

[hot lynx]

for sv yes but not sw/sh

[chrome knot]

this is assuming kubfu was already caught since they already have an ursh dark

[sweet swallow]

Teeeeeeeeechnically you can start a new save that will have the dlc on it. Not sure if the legends are story locked though.

[hot lynx]

wait

[sweet swallow]

You can transfer through HOME easily

[chrome knot]

they are

[sweet swallow]

darn

[chrome knot]

you unlock snacksworth after terapagos lmao

[hot lynx]

i can just trade urshifu dark for water

ez solution

[sweet swallow]

But would you have to beat E4?

[hot lynx]

no longer cooked

[chrome knot]

“after terapagos”

soooo all of base sv, dlc1 & dlc2 all complete

[bold geode]

You called

[sweet swallow]

Idk when you can beat terapagos technically ok
I know in swsh it just let you do DLC right away, which was wild

[chrome knot]

go away i dont have you for another 2 and a half hours

[sweet swallow]

Thank you for the answer tho c:

[bold geode]

What

[sweet swallow]

It confused me for a bit

[chrome knot]

i work in 2 and a half hours

[bold geode]

Oh lmao

I was starting to say do you schedule Monke brainrot now

Speaking of

[hot lynx]

well what about a good ground type they have good match up against fire

and from what i hear ground types competitively are good

unless i've just heard wrong

[chrome knot]

right now idr if any are used

format too fast for lando

[hot lynx]

well i don't have landourus anyways so that doesn't matter

[bold geode]

Scarf Lando is used some
Blood Moon Ursaluna is used too

[hot lynx]

idk how to get blood moon ursaluna help

[solid frigate]

Can i just confirm that the new Speed Median is 110-120?

[bold geode]

It's SV DLC content

[hot lynx]

ik that and i got it but where

[solid frigate]

do the side quest from Perrin(Adaman’s Offspring)

in Teal Mask

[hot lynx]

k thanks

[chrome knot]

100 or so kitakami dex entries

[bold geode]

So in Kitakami you get 150 registered into Pokedex and then it's a quest

[chrome knot]

ancestor is a nicer word

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/6f93ef79de7c1c4b this is my team rn so what could be replaced with it

[bold geode]

Perrin ain't the ancestor

[chrome knot]

other way around

[wary juniper]

yo guys what regulation are we in right now?

[pallid hare]

Descendant would be more apropos

[solid frigate]

Regulation G,But its gonna annouce the next reg in August

[knotty mirage]

I wonder what gonna be the best restricted pair on next reg is it caly s and zama or caly s and miraidon

[chrome knot]

spagheti

[gentle delta]

CIr Mirai

hands down

[knotty mirage]

I'm not sure if caly ice rider and miraidon will benefit each other that much

[gentle delta]

Ice Electric is among the best coverage pairs possible, throw in High Horsepower on Caly and there's nothing that resists all of that.

E-Terrain from Miraidon allows Caly to play a harder Trick
Room game without being concerned with sleep. Miraidon is also one of the hardest hitting fast pivots.

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Miraidon Kyogre

[knotty mirage]

I mean guess so but miraidon is fast pokemon so isn't using trick room just gonna make miraidon almost unusable

Unlike let's say caly s and zama who will be a great pair if you use both of them at same time

[gentle delta]

if you think a fast mon is automatically unusable on trick room then you have no idea how trick room works

some of the best mons for TR are always fast mons

scarf ape, liligant, scarf shifu, dragapult, ogerpon

miraidon fills the same roles there

and pivoting into Quark Drive Iron Hands when you have Trick Room up is very powerful

[knotty mirage]

I mean i ussualy play hard trick room and doesn't bring fast mon prolly except for flutter which is a fail safe if i fail to pull off trick room but only having flutter is kinda annoying to win when almost all your pokemon slow

[knotty mirage]

So they can't really be paired you need other mon for it to be good

[gentle delta]

all mons need another mon to be good

Miraidon as a fast mode, fast end game, or way to disrupt your opponent from disrupting Trick Room are all very strong options for how hard trick wants to play

[knotty mirage]

What i mean by paired is something like caly s and zama they both have great synergy and you will never been wrong to put them on field at same time

[gentle delta]

CIR and Mirai is synergy

leading them together gives you perfect coverage and a near undisruptable trick room

while also stopping Sleep, Caly's worst nemesis when used in Hard TR

[bold geode]

Honestly feel like it and CSR Zama will be the 2 biggest ones that will just like seesaw

[knotty mirage]

Are you sure it's not fake out who pretty much the biggest annoyance for trick room

[gentle delta]

recently did a format tournament with no building restrictions, mythicals were allowed uncapped restricteds were allowed

literally Mirai Caly carried almost all of my matches, the mythical I used didnt even see much play

[gentle delta]

any TR team not prepared for fake out is bad

but Sleep does more to hurt you

Fake out delays you, Sleep cripples you

[bold geode]

Well yeah but mythicals won't be allowed and you'll not have like more than 2 restricted so

[gentle delta]

my point was those two carried in a higher power format as is

[knotty mirage]

I'm talking about next reg yeah

[gentle delta]

im aware

but miraidon caly carrying in an even higher power format than Reg H will be shows how well they play together

most of the people im talking to for Baltimore prep are in agreement that CIR Mirai will be one of the top contenders

Reg G is ass so I've already locked in my worlds team and I've given up on trying to have fun with it

But im super excited for my Reg H team

[knotty mirage]

Oh well will see

[bold geode]

Yeah
I'm just saying like we definitely can't count out the other duo I mentioned
It'll depend on prep as well obviously

[gentle delta]

definitely cant count them out

but in a vacuum, leading miraidon caly I into zamazenta caly s is going to be more favourable for the TR player

https://pokepast.es/0f339d4af73297c0 a rough draft of what later became my baltimore team

its just so damn aggressive

and so far csr zama has been a good matchup for it

[knotty mirage]

I don't think it's really that favourable when they can wide guard and tera

[gentle delta]

wide guard does nothing Turn 1 for them

you're clicking E drift or volt switch into zamazenta and then clicking trick room

if they go for protect on zam, they get stuck in an awkward spot since Miraidon outspeeds CSR in tr

[bold geode]

Yeah
You have to just have adjustments for it
One thing that like
It's hard to put into a vacuum cuz there's other factors
But it's not like either will be shit

[gentle delta]

yeah I do agree, but im not talking theory or in a vacuum here either

ive done a shit ton of testing

against other players going to balti and worlds

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-spaghetti-pasta-spaghetti-food-gif-7087422545247029162

[bold geode]

Good thing about mons
There's other things other than the vacuums

[dapper crag]

Which Treads build is better

[knotty mirage]

Could work but they still can put you in awkward position tho if they just tera zama into ground you practicaly just get free astral barrage there but that's just how pokemon people can adapt

[dapper crag]

Hyper offense or speedy flincher

Eevee, Meowscarada, Ceruledge, Dachsbun, and Miraidon are the others if that helps

[molten oasis]

I’m playing Zacogre in double restricted

Because I’m a zacian player and that isn’t changing, also unsure where to go with zacian for double

[dapper crag]

Meowscarada is a physical pivot (band + u turn)
Ceruledge is the weak armor swords dance build
Dachsbun is bulky utility
Miraidon is a spec'd nuke

Eevee is doing his best

[bold geode]

They don't Ground Tera lmao
They probably stick with Dragon tbh

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[bold geode]

Now me of course I thought of dumb shit to counter said Miraidon in a dumb way that could and could not work, but imma keep it to myself (I've said it before lmao)

[knotty mirage]

Just thinking about ground because it will makes volt switch fail and can makes next turn really awkward

[bold geode]

For CIR Miraidon depending on the team it could come down to getting rid of Miraidon first
Cuz Zamazenta is usually good into Calyrex Ice Rider
Definitely at first the HO or more offensive side will be hit as it'll very much be "nuke me before I nuke you"

[hot lynx]

https://pokepast.es/2549642463d9be72 changed up team a bit but idk what to do for ev's and nature of ogrepon

[craggy dagger]

meow-?

[bold geode]

Woof

[rustic mountain]

ladder boutta reset already i got like 6 games on cart this month lmao

least i hit mball lol

[bold geode]

Tree

[rustic mountain]

gta try and squeeze building 2 teams out b/w zama/miraidon and terapagos b4 the month ends. prolly not gna do pagos if anything

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

You like Zama, don't you Squidward

[cloud gyro]

Is it worth shiny hunting a comp team?

[rustic mountain]

jus feel like its prolly in a better spot then pagos atm

that and i never used zama in swsh for obvious reasons so would be cool to get some use out of it

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

id say its worth learning competitive first. if its something u think is worth investing in the time to hunt for a team then, i say go for it

[bold geode]

Yeah
Shinies don't really give an advantage
Kinda more of I guess a "cosmetic" thing if you wanna call it that

[rustic mountain]

i def use shinies wen i can but i cant be hard pressed to say if i opted to care more about the game itself instead of hunting for offbeat shiny mons for teams i wouldve gotten better a lot faster wen i had originally started

wp dhelmise w/ slowpoke, those were the days

[bold geode]

Cuts to the one guy we used to have who'd hunt 60+ hours for 0 speed mons

[cloud gyro]

Yeah I have no idea on where to start to build a team

[rustic mountain]

well theres a lot of resources that can help get you started. and id opt to use other peoples teams first. ppl share rental codes and you can essentially borrow the team

[cloud gyro]

I’ve played for 20+ years but always casually

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[cloud gyro]

Thank you

[rustic mountain]

np

its kinda a lot at first

takes a bit to get a grasp on everything. atleast imo

[cloud gyro]

I watch VGC content almost daily and I still feel lost 😂

[rustic mountain]

well u gta play tbh

a lot of it comes from experience/practicing

ull only know so much outside looking in

[solid frigate]

Personally try to Watch Cybertron to know the basics and play rentals so that you know how the metagame works

[rustic mountain]

u saw his newest vid?

iron leaves

[solid frigate]

i am legit flabbergasted

[rustic mountain]

u ^

[solid frigate]

basically yeah

Like i actually tried Iron Leaves before but its just does not click

[cloud gyro]

I like Haydunn

[solid frigate]

uhhhh who

[cloud gyro]

I guess he’s not VGC per se but he makes cool content https://youtube.com/@haydunn?feature=shared

[chrome iron]

What's an EV spread that works but also allows tyrogue to evolve to hitmontop

[solid frigate]

just make the stats look even

[chrome iron]

Shit I just remembered tsambileer exists

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 236: Tyrogue

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Guts, Steadfast, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

35/35/35/35/35/35

Total

210

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[charred saddle]

just hypertrain all then rare candy

dont give EVs

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c659dc59856c6561 how could I add some speed control to this? Tw on peli but wide guard is so good on it

[forest arrow]

I got pinged years ago I believe lol hope everyone is doing well

[bold geode]

I was already there

[solar mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/bbbb-gif-7926307127575187852

[bold geode]

[solar mirage]

[spiral ridge]

I’m going there soon :3

[junior patrol]

Say is Dawnwings or base Lunala better?

[rustic mountain]

id say lunala

[junior patrol]

Why would that be

[rustic mountain]

shadow shield being better then prism armor and lunala being a decent amount faster (base 97 vs base 77) giving it more flexibility. dawn wings is a bit stronger offensively tho

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/523b6b889a319bc8 should I just run specs on CSR here?

[chrome knot]

@modern harbor friend sent zam sauce that i wanna try tho i have no idea how to play somehhing that isnt cir

[modern harbor]

oop

[chrome knot]

no

[modern harbor]

what is it?

[chrome knot]

cant say but how tf do i play zamazenta

[molten oasis]

why are you lorb and nasty plot

just go shadow tag

and draining kiss with tera fairy is better imo

[dense latch]

so spell tag tera fairy with draining kiss?

i've been trying a ton of calyrex sets trying to find something i like

[chrome knot]

covert cloak is heat

[shadow wind]

Covert cloak be stopping all my fun 😔

[charred saddle]

cloak csr is annoying, since a lot of teams had a snarl nowadays, or like eweb or icy wind

[shadow wind]

Weird how the season ends tomorrow.

[charred saddle]

oh shit really?

[shadow wind]

Yeah.

[charred saddle]

fuck i havent played

time to rush

[shadow wind]

You got it.

Woowoo!

Oh also I thought this was pretty neat.

[charred saddle]

ooh noice

[shadow wind]

Shoutout to Groudon for missing both pblades in the last game I played.

Bro was +1 standing down a Magmar and a Lunala and said "Nah, I'd Miss".

Still clutched though.

Man I love Gouging Fire.

[dense latch]

nice

[shadow wind]

I should probably get an image with the team but that might a little sketchy.

[mighty stump]

it feels volatile asf

[chrome knot]

idk how to sit on people.

[mighty stump]

just play Miraidon and be cheap

play CSR and be more cheap

[shadow wind]

Or play Groudon and earn my respect.

Choice is yours really.

[mighty stump]

Imagine missing

plays Kyogre

[shadow wind]

Don't have to imagine it 😔

[mighty stump]

😞

Idk how people play OPulse Kyo only

[shadow wind]

But it's ok, he misses the ones that don't matter(This isn't true he has missed so many game winners).

[shadow wind]

Literally just use Water Spout, some pokemon would love to have a second option of their stab preferred type of move.

OPulse only seems bad.

[mighty stump]

I’m so aversive to OPulse that I click Water Spout at sub 60% HP anyways.

[shadow wind]

Well I mean.

100% chance to deal damage opposed to 15% chance to deal 0 damage.

[rustic mountain]

i mean between redirection, double fake out and screens for those kind of comps and having grassy terrain and leftovers recovery, id imagine u jus eat it cause ur built to

[mighty stump]

I mean yea

But also I like not missing

[chrome knot]

rather not throw

[shadow wind]

Not throwing?

[bold geode]

How feeling

[bold geode]

Easy
So you slap it in the builder and go from there

[chrome knot]

i have the team

there is more to it then that

[chrome knot]

groudon is trolling pick

[shadow wind]

No it isn't.

It's a legit restricted but people are too scared of pblades.

[molten oasis]

No

Groudon is so painfully mid

Especially when koraidon exists

[shadow wind]

What factors make him "Painfully mid"?

[molten oasis]

Pblades, kinda forced to run CA, Which is fine but like, still sucks even in sun doesn’t appreciate water moves much

[modern cliff]

Could any one help me with a dondozo and Tatsugiri team here is what im thinking https://pokepast.es/3e09f64d83b8ceef

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t like rilla, sucks into CIR, bad into peli

[shadow wind]

What restricted do you use?

[molten oasis]

[modern cliff]

Who?

[molten oasis]

Reg a team

Uh, I wouldn’t run that

I get what your going for but it’s at most a gimmick

[shadow wind]

And just a random question regarding Showdown Ladder, how high have you climbed?

[molten oasis]

How about you?

[chrome knot]

LOL

[molten oasis]

You gonna ask me you return the favor

[modern cliff]

You make it

[shadow wind]

I mean I asked first.

[chrome knot]

he thinkin showdown ladder equates to skill uhoh

[molten oasis]

Not taking anyone’s shit with “what’s your elo” it’s a stupid question

[shadow wind]

You're telling me it takes 0 skill to reach top ladder?

[molten oasis]

Just trying to get a leg up and I don’t have to tell you anything how about that

[shadow wind]

Very true.

[molten oasis]

Have you seen the shit that gets to high ladder?

Early in the reg a gloom dewgong team got to high ladder, yiu can take anything up there if you try

[shadow wind]

Yeah I sure have. You can't give anyone a god team and have them make high ladder.

Then why don't you say how high you are?

Also you seem really defensive about this.

[molten oasis]

Because I don’t need to tell you anything

You’re just mad I called your restricted bad

[chrome knot]

@molten oasis drop it gang look at his bio & 0 mutual servers when im in a lot of irl tour & limitless ones…

bro is purely onto nothing

[molten oasis]

Frfr

[shadow wind]

If I'm onto nothing why am I top 300 on cart ladder?

[molten oasis]

Anyway I’m gonna go play the game

[chrome knot]

LMAO

[ornate elk]

Have fun

[shadow wind]

Also I'm in a bunch of limitless ones aswell.

[molten oasis]

Wow, the easiest way to get high ladder, anyway

[shadow wind]

Then you do it.

[molten oasis]

Nah, bye

[shadow wind]

I call it a win in my books.

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump new gimmick character just dropped

[rustic mountain]

thats fair haha

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[bold geode]

Bro is in Limitless servers

Although weren't you the Groudon player?

[molten oasis]

Bro has not gotten top 8 with Primarina

I need to play more tournaments lol

[shadow wind]

That won a Spearpillar? Yeah I was that Groudon player.

[bold geode]

You ain't ever get top 16 while sleeping though

[molten oasis]

You right

Gotta turn my auto playing skills on and go bed

[charred saddle]

ttera water choice specs water spout in rain

i love this game

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

And then you put Slowbro on your team
How tf did you devolve so fast

[molten oasis]

Funny button go haha (kyogre probably)

[chrome knot]

LOL

[shadow wind]

Don't worry the Slowbro didn't last.

Funnily enough I switched it back to Rillaboom.

[bold geode]

Thank God it didn't

Honestly the formula I had with Groudon was it + Grass spam
But even then
Mid

[shadow wind]

Yeah, it's hard to make a Groudon team that has a good MU into CIR.

Why couldn't we get a chlorophyll pokemon not weak to ice.

[bold geode]

Also this question is fucking stupid to argue over and over lmao

[chrome knot]

askin a dumbass question

[molten oasis]

emma helped before it spiraled, cuz ik i get too deep into arugments like that lol

[cyan smelt]

Why is there always drama in this channel recently

[molten oasis]

just a regular day in comp chat

[bold geode]

Idk I was more or less eating popcorn as I typed

[chrome knot]

people try n be cute and i like laughing at people

[molten oasis]

i dont see the difference tbh

[shadow wind]

I mean I wouldn't say it's drama just people are very hard stuck on Groudon sucking.

[molten oasis]

...

so anyway

[cyan smelt]

Seems like it's repeating the same topics, people stubbornly insisting on using bad pokemon no matter what evidence and stupid arguments about showdown and in game cart ranking

[bold geode]

Hard stuck on facts
Crazy

[shadow wind]

😔

[molten oasis]

say i start fresh on a zac team how do i get the CSR mu to not feel super reliant on tailwind?

i dont like being reliant on tw for CSR

[bold geode]

Wide Guard dipshit

[molten oasis]

what are the options?

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhuuhuuuuuuu

[cyan smelt]

Pelipper

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuhhhh

[molten oasis]

...im gonna be honest i dont like pelipper as a mon

[bold geode]

Pelipper, Mienshao (Mienshao could be something tbh)
Hitmontop
That's what I can think of

[molten oasis]

it feels odd to play

[cyan smelt]

Then use swampert

Or torterra

[molten oasis]

it doesnt have to be a water type, what???

[bold geode]

Mienshao actually

[charred saddle]

my torn just fucking outsped a chienpao

[molten oasis]

LMAO

[charred saddle]

and i dont fucking know how that happened

[shadow wind]

Oh nah bro running brave Chien Pao.

[molten oasis]

that pao has bulk

[bold geode]

Once again
Mienshao messes with Incin a bit

[charred saddle]

its fucking crazy somettimes haha

[molten oasis]

yea

my wide guard options are literally hitmon and mienshao if i dont wanna run peli

which i dont, i dont like peli

[charred saddle]

peli is fucking stronk tho

[molten oasis]

ik

i still dont like it, ik caly is strong and i dont like it

[charred saddle]

good switch in and then like 100 bp weather ball + rain + STAB pog

[molten oasis]

mm

[bold geode]

Oh Smeargle

[molten oasis]

fuck no

idk could try peli again ig

i also dont want to build a CIR team with zacian over CIR tbh

which is what happens when we go peli shifu incin rilla

[rustic mountain]

https://x.com/SoulSurVGC/status/1818388562913776073?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Jeudy ➡️ WCS2024🌺 (@SoulSurVGC) on X

wood hammer rillaboom

Twitter · Jul 30, 2024, 8:49 PM

[molten oasis]

lmaoo

[rustic mountain]

got a laugh outta me lmao

[charred saddle]

make a parody of fake out, glide and uturn

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-wood-hammer-pokemon-gif-7274090915577562669

[rustic mountain]

wtf haha

[molten oasis]

pov fluttermane

[charred saddle]

quick does wave kills

[molten oasis]

should yea

[charred saddle]

nice

[molten oasis]

that miraidon has like 30 hp id imagine vaccum wave does at least 30 dmg

azumarill what?

[rustic mountain]

no earth power

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

oh wait yea what no EP?

[charred saddle]

not my team

[molten oasis]

ah

[charred saddle]

i wanted EP tho

this torn hitts every bleakwind outside rain for some fucking reason

im scared of the soon double miss

[molten oasis]

a torn players dream

not needing to rely on rain

https://pokepast.es/7093adc60388b427

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

@bold geode

you suggested this

[bold geode]

Wha

[molten oasis]

i need help

[bold geode]

You got Sash and are not Ghost Mienshao

[molten oasis]

ghost is the thing?

[bold geode]

Idk

[molten oasis]

that sounds dumb

[bold geode]

Seems logical

[molten oasis]

well what do you gain

you already dont care about FO

[nocturne holly]

Tbh I’d just go fighting for extra damage

[molten oasis]

my idea for steel

is resist DKiss so i can keep clicking wide guard

[bold geode]

Idfk tbh

[nocturne holly]

Ig that’s fair

Also what does mienshao do for zac

[molten oasis]

wide guard

anti incin mon

helps with steel types

oh yea fighting is most used

i'll just do that

[nocturne holly]

Cool

Feint mienshao is fire

[molten oasis]

252 Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 168-200 (84 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[nocturne holly]

Does mienshao run adamant or jolly

[molten oasis]

idk

its 5% difference from adamant and jolly, in favor of jolly

theyre both 30ish% usage

i might just go peli idk

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 620: Mienshao

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Inner Focus, Regenerator, Reckless (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/60/95/60/105

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

not that i like it much

[nocturne holly]

peli is a beast

Ohko most incin

[molten oasis]

peli glazers i mean whaaa

[nocturne holly]

I love my peli ♥️

[molten oasis]

[forest arrow]

jolly hits 172

adamant 157

[nocturne holly]

Jolly outspeeds like lando

[molten oasis]

chi yu and shifu notably

[nocturne holly]

How much does mien do into shifu

[charred saddle]

bro

[molten oasis]

probably 50% lemme see

minimum

[forest arrow]

fo, wg, cc, feint?

[molten oasis]

252+ Atk Mienshao Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 109-130 (61.9 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mind's Eye

This Pokemon can hit Ghost types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's accuracy stat stage. This Pokemon ignores a target's evasiveness stat stage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

what?

[charred saddle]

bro

[molten oasis]

i want anti CSR guy

[charred saddle]

i just missed bleakwind on rain on fucking bm ursaluna

[nocturne holly]

bros tweaking 😭

[molten oasis]

CSR pisses me off cuz i feel so bad into it

[charred saddle]

????

[molten oasis]

oh

[charred saddle]

what the fuck

[nocturne holly]

what the sigma

[molten oasis]

stfu cigar

[nocturne holly]

do you have replay

[molten oasis]

anyway, uh

[charred saddle]

damn

[molten oasis]

only thing i can think of is maybe ray was on the field? idk

[charred saddle]

sadly no, i forgot to clip it

[nocturne holly]

Are the storm moves raised 100% acc in rain or do they not check acc in rain

[charred saddle]

no one.

[molten oasis]

oh

[dapper crag]

Move: Bleakwind Storm

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Speed by 1 stage. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 80%.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

80

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

thats, incredibly dumb

[charred saddle]

bright powder?

[molten oasis]

LOL might be tbh, well

[forest arrow]

maybe the evasiveness part of the ability applies to rain?

[molten oasis]

no idt bleakwind has accuracy check in rain

[charred saddle]

what

[nocturne holly]

No it’s guaranteed doesn’t check acc LOL

[charred saddle]

bro i got fucking bamboozled

[molten oasis]

?

[forest arrow]

then idk thats weird af

[nocturne holly]

Skill issue get better

[charred saddle]

yeah haha

[molten oasis]

frfr

me in my head when i lose to another CSR

[forest arrow]

drago i just realized youre no longer shifu

[molten oasis]

yeaaaa, the zacian art was too cute

and i RARELY see good zacian art

[nocturne holly]

it’s all hate art

[molten oasis]

still cute idgaf

its jokes

not hate art

[forest arrow]

who you plan to run zac with when the time comes

kyogre?

[nocturne holly]

kyogre

[molten oasis]

probably kyogre

[forest arrow]

okay i thought so

[molten oasis]

since thats already been established as good in SWSH

[nocturne holly]

I’m gonna try csr which will probably work and maybe cir

[forest arrow]

how you feel about torn

[molten oasis]

although its not like that techincally came true this gen when zac was established good in swsh

i dont hate torn, im willing to use it

[nocturne holly]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

torn kyo zac was kinda my first thought

[forest arrow]

yeah me too im sitting in builder

[molten oasis]

also pondered zac koraidon

[forest arrow]

anti priority sounds nice

we can try that too

[molten oasis]

koraidon is a incin answer, and zacian defensively and offensively helps it a lot

although kyogre is, probably better

[forest arrow]

I like feesh, but we can give the bike a chance, water spout/pulse spread is just so nice

rain helps for zacs fire weakness

[dapper crag]

This is completely random, but could a battle bond greninja team work?

[molten oasis]

ive seen koraidons do like, 30% to my zac in rain with blitz before

its so funny

[forest arrow]

Yeah Korai blows shit up lol

[molten oasis]

then rain comes in and it gets sad

uhhhh

hold on i have a concept in my box

[forest arrow]

okay

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a59954c2297f881b

[forest arrow]

farig feels appealing here too

[molten oasis]

the name for kyogre is an inside joke

but yea i played monke with that

it felt ok

[forest arrow]

screens doesnt sound half bad either

fp for that annoying ass horse

[molten oasis]

fr

plz tera, then eat bblade

https://tenor.com/view/zacian-gif-19228328

anyway

https://pokepast.es/58d329d6f2ea2bb1 im gonna climb this in cart, ig and see how it feels

[charred saddle]

on a good run rn
still low elo tho

(lost bcz i dont realize i got matched up and it picked top 4 mon)

[solid frigate]

its Illegal in VGC and i doubt it would work

[ornate elk]

Could frosllass work tho

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 478: Froslass

Types

Ice/Ghost

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Cursed Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/80/70/80/70/110

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

yeah….

mid stats but decent abilities

[dapper crag]

Froslass's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Avalanche, Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Crunch, Double-Edge, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Ice Fang, Ice Punch, Ice Shard, Ice Spinner, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Natural Gift, Payback, Poltergeist, Return, Rollout, Secret Power, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, Wake-Up Slap

Special Moves

Blizzard, Chilling Water, Draining Kiss, Dream Eater, Frost Breath, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Night Shade, Ominous Wind, Powder Snow, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Pulse, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Attract, Aurora Veil, Block, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Curse, Destiny Bond, Disable, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Imprison, Laser Focus, Leer, Light Screen, Mimic, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Snowscape, Spikes, Spite, Substitute, Swagger, Switcheroo, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic, Trick, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Froslass.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[ornate elk]

[solid frigate]

why would you wanna use it tho

[ornate elk]

Because it my favorite

[charred saddle]

idk haha

[solid frigate]

I think like if you want to use Favourites in VGC you have to have like a decent understanding in the Metagame and Understanding of what the Niche does

[charred saddle]

its prob just triple axel icicle spear + ghost move which theres no physical ghost

or ust support WoW

[molten oasis]

found a caly

spammed wide guard and won, get wrecked

[solid frigate]

i mean it has Poltergeist

[molten oasis]

stupid horse

[solid frigate]

kek

[ornate elk]

Yeah ik sadly i have no idea how to competitive but it costed nothing to ask

[molten oasis]

i have a feeling it was specs

it just clicks AB 3 times

and his set up mon was bolt

[solid frigate]

yea mostly Specs

my brain rn:cant think of should i use the Tech for Reg H

[molten oasis]

i found a miraidon that was slower than my lando in tr

that was something

[solid frigate]

You Lando is Lorb?

[charred saddle]

6 more

[molten oasis]

yuh

[solid frigate]

thats odd

[molten oasis]

you're getting your games out of the way too?

bububa

[charred saddle]

tomorrow is reset

[solid frigate]

I might use Gleam Miraidon In Next Reg if the funny does not work

[charred saddle]

i wanna see how lost i am to the game

so i climbed

so far its good

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 485: Heatran

Types

Fire/Steel

Abilities

Flash Fire, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/90/106/130/106/77

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

i just one shot it lol

[charred saddle]

kek

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

god shifu incin rilla is stupid good lol

im doing my climb as well rn

armarouge sini indeedee CIR a9 and ape

that is indeed a team

[solid frigate]

its Them what do you expect

[solid frigate]

ok thats jusy throw all the stuff out the window

[molten oasis]

he quit

4-0ed again baybee

[solid frigate]

kek

I just beaten someone’s Miraidon Talonflame Team in B03

[molten oasis]

oh

[solid frigate]

With my Miraidon Crown Team

[molten oasis]

interesting

[solid frigate]

Didnt NAIC had a Talonflame Team?

[molten oasis]

aw hell nah a vriizion

i mean iron leaves

[solid frigate]

ah yes,5G Verizon

[molten oasis]

frfr

mirai whims, the usual

[solid frigate]

at least Iron Crown I can OHKO caly ice

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[charred saddle]

expect to see lots of IL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCk2DA_tJvY&t=287s

[solid frigate]

oh yeah it won something

which i am still flabbergasted

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/779290d14f85a364

[solid frigate]

just a little bit Iron Crown Meme

[molten oasis]

bro i cooked this miraidon team

zacian had to die but it killed whimsi and weakened shifu

and then rilla incin just clutched up

[solid frigate]

She done her job

[molten oasis]

indeed

ok i may play with this more

although peli was brought to 1 game lol

[solid frigate]

Like i dont mind if that pokemon is bad or something,As long as it helps on gameplan i still think its fine

[molten oasis]

9-1 was the record

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

damn. Thats solid

[molten oasis]

zacian's a good girl

and is good in vgc generally imo

[solid frigate]

im not saying Zacian is bad i saying cuz my teams have some pretty interesting stuff

[molten oasis]

oh, yea fair enough

zac tends to murder mirai and bolt for the team

[solid frigate]

i mean who would run Supporting Raging bolt with Tera Electric-

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

yes thats me

my bolt is still Tera Electric

[molten oasis]

3.5 k rating, its okay

[solid frigate]

Lemme check mine

in SV

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/144168470d7bdd1c this team did it

[solid frigate]

we ballin with this team

[molten oasis]

i had 2 close games

one was against a terapagos chi flutter team

and the CM bolt amoonguss team i mentioned

[solid frigate]

i mean it makes sense

[molten oasis]

yea

although like, i won cuz incin lived on 1 hp twice

[solid frigate]

Pagos Chi Yu Flutter is Very Offensive(Tho i use bolt instead of Flutter)

[molten oasis]

i would have won anyway

[solid frigate]

The Incineroar Plot Armor is real

[molten oasis]

he had to break through zacian+shifu

he did have rilla but he has to get rid of shifu first and bblade chunks pagos without tera

i won pretty much no matter what

[solid frigate]

fair

tho i think its valid to be Proud of your Creation

[dense latch]

how

[solid frigate]

AV BOLT DAMAGE ROLL BABY

[dense latch]

invisible sash goes crazy

[solid frigate]

People having Nightmares: I dreamt that i got cheated

My Nightmares:

[molten oasis]

no way the double invisible sash

[solid frigate]

the roll is crazy

[charred saddle]

@mighty stump are u working

voltswitch me bear

[molten oasis]

Ally switch? Eww

[charred saddle]

[fathom valley]

hot take: flutter mane is mid, both in comp (its generally just annoying to fight, not even at a skill level) and general design. At least its shiny is decent

its just misdreavus with longer... hair? Is that what it is?

[knotty briar]

Design, I agree with, but there is a reason it was banned in less than a week
Its far from mid in competitive

Considering it can be both an offensive terror or even a support mon with stuff like taunt, t-wave, imprison, etc, shows that it's not just a mindless button clicker mon

[fathom valley]

i meant mid as in generally annoying to fight against, not even down to "skill issue" etc; It's just annoying. I can tolerate the rideons, I can tolerate the other paradoxes

but mane? its just too fast, too diverse, and too annoying

makes me wanna tear my hair out every time i see it

every time I see it and like val I gotta do some 5000 iq death note ahh level of mental gymnastics to determine its next move

It's not skill-based, its sanity based. who'll go nuts first and forfeit

[knotty mirage]

So do you think calyrex is mid too ?

[fathom valley]

I can deal with it most times i see it

at least with it, it looks kinda cool ig

honestly calyrex is just game freak throwing legendary spammers a bone /j

[knotty mirage]

Well i mean it is a 90$ pokemon

[fathom valley]

whats with the overly expensive dlc mons being the most blantently overpowered? aside from money go brr

we had the funny crit panda, the ice horse guy

and now mask girl and turtle

(Ogerpon is kinda just cute tho, so she gets a pass)

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i don't really think the mask girl and turtle is as overpowered as the last gen dlc mon that is

[fathom valley]

fair

cant wait for gen 10 dlc to just give us an ability that acts as a win button

like they just add exodia to pokemon

(ik theres unique win conditions in the card game, so that joke doesnt work so still)

[knotty mirage]

Setting trick room switch in

[fathom valley]

TRUE

nah, on entry. every. single. time.

and it acts like old weather, so its permanent trick room unless exlicitly changed somehow

and its actually a buffed version of trick room that uses a new calc so elecki doesnt jump in usage

anyways

i wanna rip flutters' wings off and throw its body into a blender

and feed the fluttermane shake to koraidon

dlc-less method to flight

[knotty briar]

As someone who mainly uses trick room, I rarely have problems with it

[knotty briar]

And introducing an item that extends trick room turns

[fathom valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-boo-gif-20747494

darn

[knotty briar]

Trick room Farigiraf with min speed Calyrex-ice is insane after all

[fathom valley]

oh. you're a tr and calyrex-ice user

are public executions illegal in your area of residence

[knotty mirage]

[knotty briar]

This is the team I've been using
Flutter mane is not a problem lol

[azure ether]

Reply unrelated but I'd like to ask why Expert Belt is preferred for Crown in your rental over Life Orb or Booster Energy?

[fathom valley]

maybe not for you

but for the sane individuals who dont use trick room

and/or dont go "ice horse go brr"

[knotty briar]

This team was made to hard counter flutter mane

[fathom valley]

ah

[knotty briar]

Chi-yu with flutter mane caused me A LOT of problems before I perfected the team

I still get flashbacks every time I see that stupid fish...

[knotty briar]

Also Zamazenta is the most used restricted mon last I checked

[fathom valley]

zama is easy to deal with tho

even zacian is tolerable

[knotty briar]

It's only really countered by gholdengo

[fathom valley]

but that damned misdreavus knockoff

[knotty mirage]

Does this team have problem with mirror ?

[knotty briar]

Mirror?

[knotty mirage]

Fighting other caly ice

[knotty briar]

Ah gotcha
Mine is min speed so, while tricky, it's still manageable

I spent hours soft resetting in shield for it

Also farigiraf has foul play specifically for opposing caly ice

[limber ivy]

anyone wanna run it?

frst to 3 wins a shiny

dubels btw

[knotty briar]

Run what?

[solid frigate]

Life Orb Recoil Damage

[limber ivy]

pvp sv

[solid frigate]

Sash Chi Yu is fine against it

tho For Zama,Urshifu is fine against it as well

thatvis if you can deal enough damage against it

156+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 220 HP / 84+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Rain on a critical hit: 168-198 (86.1 - 101.5%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO

if you dont run any weather with Urshifu,Just use Pelipper’s Rain

[balmy glen]

I’ve never seen a Zama spread like this before lul

[solid frigate]

i just took the Showdown Calc one lmao

idk What on earth Showdown VGC chat room is cooking like why

[solid frigate]

Hmmm should i made Thundy T with Kyogre

[cyan smelt]

time to make another alt to test my skeledirge team

[solid frigate]

lol

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen tried zam for the first time today

[cyan smelt]

well lost to tr, coulda played better

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/0119822f20a0cbe0

Need some advice

[craggy dagger]

meow

[solid frigate]

meow

[bold geode]

Hey Nova how doing

[cyan smelt]

skele came in clutch against a dozo rest talk staller

[next stump]

Kyogre wants 156 modest for the special attack bump, probably just a mistype

Thundurus wants 5 stats invested rather than 4 otherwise you're wasting EVs

I feel like Volcarona can easily be Incineroar, gives you fake out pressure and still has a good matchup into Caly-I

I don't really love Arch in this format but if it's working for you, I have seen it a few times before and it's been okay

[solid frigate]

alrighty thanks

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/c659dc59856c6561 how could I add some speed control to this? Tw on peli but wide guard is so good on it

[cyan smelt]

holy shit i'm 69% with the skeledirge team at mid 1400s

[solid frigate]

Solid Progress

[cyan smelt]

i'm barely bringing torn, should i replace it with farig?

also skele is a bit weak to astral barrage so idk what to do there

maybe i need to boost its sp def evs

farig is busted though i think i need it

[solid frigate]

i just accidentally clicked single battle in Cart fuck