competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Woof

[plain drum]

Pip

[craggy dagger]

there’s not really a “slow” wide guard user, nor does there need to be because wide guard is priority

[junior patrol]

I didn't know DawnWings could use it

[craggy dagger]

at least i think dawn wings gets it-

[dapper crag]

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Moongeist Beam, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dawn-Wings.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[junior patrol]

I thought only base Lulnala gets it

[bold geode]

It basically almost has identical movepool to Lunala iirc

Oh it don't get it

[craggy dagger]

oh it doesn’t get wide guard nevermind

[junior patrol]

Ah damn. Guess if it did have it it would be a bit stronger than usual

[craggy dagger]

i guess you can try guts conkeldurr-
since its base 45 speed
or if you want weather control you can run a slower bulkier pelipper

[junior patrol]

Cause at that point couldn't is check Calyrex Shadow?

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger PLEASE

I got 3p route and they went emolga over lilligant and created like nightmare mode route

[craggy dagger]

mmm
if you’re worried about shadow rider, you can try garganacl
since purifying salt allows it to take ghost damage with a halved attacking stat and it does get wide guard

[craggy dagger]

awawdabwdabwbabwbaa?
i just wokie

[bold geode]

I'm finna start laddering in this waiting room if I gotta wait longer

[junior patrol]

My TR team rn is Indeedee-F, Dawn Wings, Torkoal, Ursaluna, Urshifu-S, and Gallade.

[craggy dagger]

uh

gallade gets wide guard i guess-

[junior patrol]

Oh it does. Didn't know that

[next stump]

Gallade's best moveset is usually Psycho Cut/Sacred Sword/Wide Guard/Trick Room

[craggy dagger]

i’ve seen leaf blade for psycho cut before-
but what Dillon says is true :3

[next stump]

there's a japanese player who's been running sheer cold beartic in limitless tours recently

wtf

[craggy dagger]

sheer cold swift swim?

[gentle delta]

Gallade is incredible for this role

[bold geode]

I think I saw a Beartic win Tommy Tuesdays, I was like wtf

[gentle delta]

Yeah

[bold geode]

Ope it was 3rd actually shit

Looked at graphic wrong

[junior patrol]

Thanks for the help. I just want to be more prepared for Calyrex really. Tired of it one to two shotting everything because I don't have a way to stop it's spread moves

[gentle crag]

.octoknight03 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[gentle delta]

You mentioned wanting a white dark Pokémon for trick room if you need other trick room help feel free to let me know when I can try to help out the best I would

Wide guard*

Damn voice to text

[junior patrol]

I'd be more than willing to ask for more advice on TR. Cause currently I feel like if I can't get DawnWings to set it up I lose and I don't want to just be so predictable on how I lead

[gentle delta]

Of course I’d be happy to help I’m just out doing errands right now so feel free to ping me or DM me if you ever have a specific question

When I was more active in the channel in the past mods would usually ping me when somebody had a trick room question

[gentle delta]

DawnWings is a really awkward mon sometimes

I still havent decided if I like it over Lunala even after streaming with it

[craggy dagger]

dawn wings fits better in trick room due to its slower speed though doesn’t it-

[gentle delta]

Not especially no

[bold geode]

I feel like Lunala might have a slight edge due to ability?

[gentle delta]

Worse stats for other roles, worse ability and worse movepool

[gentle delta]

I like Lunala for the same reason I liked Arma in Reg F over Hat still. Being a semi-fast mode

Slap 52 speed evs on a modest Lunie and you outspeed and ohko every incin

[bold geode]

Yeah it's speed stat kinda nice

But yeah like Shadow Shield kinda covers for all hits, meanwhile I kinda feel like Dawn Wings still can be broken thru via strong neutrals?

[gentle delta]

They sorta both have ups and downs

Prism Armor is still relevant when below max for example

Photon Geyser is also neat

[bold geode]

What that do again

[craggy dagger]

nods-
you can't really argue which is better by a big margin since they both have their pros and cons

[chrome knot]

novaaaaaaaaa

[craggy dagger]

what.

[gentle delta]

It swaps to physical if it would do more damage that way

[bold geode]

Nova I made adjustments for CSR
One less Ghost type to worry about

[bold geode]

So it's a Tera Blast without tera or other weird shit

[gentle delta]

To be honest if I were to play psyspam today it would be neither Lunala nor Necrozma

[bold geode]

What then

[gentle delta]

worlds is in three weeks

not sharing my cooking

Just saying I think the two bats are a trap atm

[bold geode]

Damn
She didn't crack

[gentle delta]

My closest vgc friend doesn’t even know whats in my builder atm

Only those who themselves are not competing plus one friend im rooming with

And I cant share anything here because I know at minimum two others who frequent this chat that will be there

[balmy glen]

your not working with any other competitors?

[gentle delta]

Like im playing hard tr obviously, shocker

[bold geode]

😱

[gentle delta]

I have a group chat of trusted fellas to help, in that chat there are 4 people going

2 of us are aiming to be on the same team

But because my greatest strength as a player is my mad science cooking its harder to be more open

When Brian Collins told me he liked my version of his Reg E team more than his own I almost cried with joy

He thought aqua cutter gallade was such heat

[bold geode]

Yeah
Meanwhile I've just put burnt sauce on team and it somehow doesn't have a totally ruined flavor

[gentle delta]

All Reg G teams are at best overcooked its an awful format

Im so upset its my first Worlds

This happened in magic too, my first pro tour was the worst modern format ever

One of the only two times in my 10 years playing that I witnessed an emergency ban

Top 8 was 7 of the exact same deck of 75 cards. 8th place was some who lucked out and dodged the deck the whole day

whatever esport I try next Im sure the meta will be terrible when I start

[chrome knot]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[bold geode]

Oh yeah they are very overcooked
I like the format, it's just well
I'm playing IDBP Zamazenta (yes WG is better but IDBP is more comfy)
And well
Fuck it
Niche pick: Thundurus Therian

[gentle delta]

I like idbp x wg personally

You can afford to drop protect imo

Thundy-T is a goat

A staple of one of my most favourite singles teams, Gen 8 UU

[chrome knot]

help me bun

[gentle delta]

in rain with specs/scarf it could be solid idk

Now I have a new idea for streaming

[bold geode]

Eh no Protect Zama just feels weird rn cuz like
Can't really keep yourself safe when you need to
But yeah Thundy T
Doing a LITTLE more than I thought tbh

Oh yeah Peli + Thundy T lol

[gentle delta]

Streaming has given me so much love of the game back since I can win with nonsense

Winning in Top 50 masterball with Rampardos and Crabominable last month was great

Other creators were popping in and going wth is this

Ohko’d a CIR with Bruxish even after they went Fire Tera in the turn i clicked Wave Crash

They were covering for Steel Beam from Dialga

[bold geode]

So I had this dumbass dual weather team with Zacian
At one point I added Weather Ball Bolt and just almost OHKOd both Caly I and Zama with it

[gentle delta]

Weather Ball Bolt is goated

My worlds bunkmate day 2’d twice with it this year

I pitched it to him and he rolled with it for the rest of Reg F

[craggy dagger]

im going out soon-

[bold geode]

Well I had Ground Blast Chi Yu but like
Literally Trick Room was awful for the team so I put on Bolt to "patch" it up

But easily best off meta pick I've used
Hitmontop

[gentle delta]

Top is on this weeks team

[bold geode]

Don't disrespect the Top

[gentle delta]

Im literally using it in a stream today how is that disrespecting it lol

Im using it so I can show off my shiny shadow one

[bold geode]

No I'm just saying that lol

[gentle delta]

His name is Fidget the Triumphant

[bold geode]

Yeah Top like
Blew my expectations out the water tbh
There are better things to use imma be honest
But for what I expected, it truly did crazy

[gentle delta]

On monday I went on a like 15 game streak and top got SO MANY final blows with the unexpected feint lol

[balmy glen]

DAAAAAAAAA

[gentle delta]

It was disappointing how much better this team was for streaming than my usual tr stuff

Then I added tr lmao

[bold geode]

Lol
See I was gonna use Feint on Top
But I never did cuz like
I fell in a giraffe exhibit

[gentle delta]

Top is basically just Mienshao with Intim for me

I run
Fake Out
WG
CC
Feint

[bold geode]

That's basically what it is
Although weirdly enough
You can make it SORTA tanky?

That's the route I ran

CC/FO/WG/HH

It was actually put into content, I did a blogpost where I paired it with Rayquaza for a little funny interaction against Caly Ice

Love it when Caly Ice who usually just fucks up Rayquaza all of a sudden cannot hit it

[chrome knot]

DAAAA and im struggling

[bold geode]

Then I threw on Gholdengo and it didn't matter

I used the thing that caused me....

SO MUCH SUFFERING

[gentle delta]

Me using rilla rn

When I was still making videos I was gonna title one about Worlds something to do with using my most hated Pokemon

[bold geode]

I remember the first time it fucked me up
Using IDBP Zamazenta, Caly Ice was a fucking FREE MU
Then I get on one ladder match
And I noticed unlike others, they had a Gholdengo
That one thing changed my ENTIRE MU

[bold geode]

Wolfe Glick when he uses Incineroar for the millionth time

[gentle delta]

He doesnt hate incin thats a meme lol

[bold geode]

Honestly fuck the Hala memes
How many Wolfe stans you think you'd attract if you just use Incineroar instead

[gentle delta]

Like he meme hates it the way I meme hate Hatterene even though shes one of the best girls

[chrome knot]

the hala memes are funny thoo

[gentle delta]

She puts the TR in TRans rights

Absolutely agree hala has me in stitches

[bold geode]

I was so fucking confused

[chrome knot]

you sent it yesterday then was puzzled when I correctly answered the prompt

[bold geode]

And the worst part is
Yesterday I ask here "why are there so many Hala memes"
And then I go on Twitter afterwards and see 5 Hala memes back to back

[chrome knot]

i answered why!!!

[bold geode]

Hey lemme be one of the cool kids

[chrome knot]

@gentle delta while u were gone I got the most goated 3p fini route

[gentle delta]

Very nice

[bold geode]

Yeah
And now Emma is begging peeps to do it with her

[chrome knot]

BECAUSE RANDOMS SUCKKKK

[bold geode]

LOL

Hey you said "no brain rotted monkeys" so I can't do it with you

[plain drum]

Something about a typewriter and Shakespeare

[bold geode]

FUCK MY NSO SUBSCRIPTION I THOUGHT I PAID IT

[plain drum]

Better than thinking you opted out of renewal and didn’t

I swear sometimes that just turns itself back on

[bold geode]

Honestly I think I had the money on there but just didn't renew?

[chrome knot]

noooo bc surely you know not to pick linoone when 3/4 mons on the route hit it for super effective

[gentle delta]

I would do it but im in the middle of ttyd pit

Would take me at LEAST 90 min to finish it

[bold geode]

I did not have enough money

[bold geode]

But it'd be really funny if I did

[gentle delta]

Oh wait im streaming today

I gotta leave the attempt anyway

[chrome knot]

I would fly to ur house and beat you up that'd be really funny

[plain drum]

LMAO

[bold geode]

It would be
Plz do

[chrome knot]

aight gang

lilligant beat do you think anyone will take it

[bold geode]

Fuckin #BullyMonke brother

[chrome knot]

lilligant is necessary to win

[mighty stump]

After you answered Monke immediately went to go engagement farm

[bold geode]

What no I'd NEVER do that

[plain drum]

Rent due

[bold geode]

deleting post rn

[plain drum]

NSO today rather

[chrome knot]

crying the AI just used toxic on luxray (it has facade)

((and guts))

[bold geode]

Actually did it do anything

16 views
Cuz most of my followers are bots

[plain drum]

Just buy more

[bold geode]

Also did you see my sauce lmao

[gentle delta]

The worst is when they spam Trick/Wonder/Magic Room for no reason

[chrome knot]

the non AI lilligant is clicking pollen puff in grassy terrain

like genuinely who are these people and why are they made in a lab

[mighty stump]

I’ve not been online at all cause I’m a bit busy trying to keep my lungs from exiting my body

[bold geode]

Actually yeah maybe don't pass away

[plain drum]

Feel better soon Tofu

[chrome knot]

GHNIUAOWGWAHIUGFAWGBIFWAIGWA

IM DONE ALREADYAWFWGAYUFIGAHWYUFWAGBFYHUWAFGBUWAIJFHAWF AOH HHHH MY GOODDDDDDDDDDD

@gentle delta wanna crack down the lunala route at some point?

im free all day so just lmkkk

[gentle delta]

Yessss

[chrome knot]

wonder if it has insane route like fini had

[gentle delta]

If I remember right it’s actually super easy and free

[chrome knot]

bc legit u start with
clef, metang, sealeo
vespiquen
scientist that gave vileplume, lilligant
luxray + heal after

[mystic hatch]

Is ironvaliant mid

[gentle delta]

Worse

[knotty mirage]

I have question is there any milotic build that use quick claw because i just see something like that on ultra ball ladder and i'm really confused

[spiral ridge]

Ayyy few days of pain good job

[chrome knot]

thst was like a week

the hard part was FINDING tapu fini

[gentle delta]

Anything CAN use qc but its not good

[gentle delta]

Me when I needed Kyurem

And now I gotta do it again anyway cuz idk who robert is

[chrome knot]

its pretty easy i think ive only wiped to it once bc of a crit and brainless animals dying on previous rounds

[knotty mirage]

Ah okay i actually almost lost to that like damn icy wind quick claw it really caught me off guard

[chrome knot]

REAL

im addicted to DAs and have loads of time so hit my line always

[gentle delta]

Emma have you seen how ive handled my deadname shinies?

[chrome knot]

nope !

[gentle delta]

Its boosted the channel so much lmfao

I give them away for subs

[chrome knot]

OH the giveaway

yus i saw that

[bold geode]

Also fighting NDW and it died to Knock Off immediately
Idk bruh

[craggy dagger]

oh gj-
you didn’t even need me

[gentle delta]

Had two followers fighting to be #1 gifter a week ago it was insane

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/hmph-hmph-anime-tsundere-gif-25758864

didnt even want your help anyways!!!!!!!!

[chrome knot]

jesus

[spiral ridge]

If you have any physical dark types it’s over
Pangoro is one of the best, with things like thievul behind it

[craggy dagger]

right...
well anyways congrats on your shiny

[chrome knot]

hehe thanks

[craggy dagger]

pat pat

[chrome knot]

hmph

[pure stirrup]

GUYS, I'VE HOSTED A FRIENDLY COMPETITION, JOIN WHILE YOU STILL CAN ON POKEMON SWORD AND SHIELD

[bold geode]

Really the wrong place bud

#1046572041421197352 would be a much better spot to go

[craggy dagger]

hey-
at least you got fini :0

[chrome knot]

uhuhhh

[zinc totem]

what are chanses miss twice on bright powder pokemonj in a row

[craggy dagger]

uh-
usually low
but i did see someone miss water spout into a bright powder twice

[zinc totem]

i got annihilated by that pokemon

i miss twice, it nukes me

[craggy dagger]

oh the kyogre got frozen the by the bright powder in the rain glaceon-

@thorny beacon was the victim of that-

[zinc totem]

oof yiikes

today i see t-wave gyarados too now

[oak tendon]

Hi guys does anyone have a walking wake spare by any chance?

[zinc totem]

today påeople really are creative

[next stump]

check one of the trade channels

[glad osprey]

https://pokepast.es/f535e5ce648b44a8

Is this team good or does it need work?

I wanted a terap team but idek what I am doing lol

[zinc totem]

#trading_sv

[jade dust]

Lol gg

My caly is unstoppable now

[strange fjord]

Any damaging move thats does at least 24 HP:

[jade dust]

I have cress healing with lunar blessing

But yeah 24 hp fair

This was a caly ice mirror match

[strange fjord]

Caly Matchups can be tough

[zinc totem]

fighting moves, poison moves, electric moves

just need be fasster or slower depending on context

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2167333109-iwshf7813u7nzenuu9jo1uy6a4t5526pw?p2
testing new team. feels silly enough for me to play

[craggy dagger]

gets screwed by a special attacker

fickle beam hydrapple

[thorny beacon]

Do not remind me pls, I am going to freeze you

[craggy dagger]

do it-
you won’t >:3

[thorny beacon]

[chrome knot]

ming

mingggggggg

[thorny beacon]

Good morning

It is a beautiful day to be awake at 5am

[craggy dagger]

go back to bed-
you don’t have uni

[chrome knot]

yaaaaayyyy gm ming

don’t listen to nova she doesn’t help if asked (!!)

[thorny beacon]

Help me

[frigid flume]

Was waxing someone in ranked and comm error and counted as a loss

[dapper crag]

If I'm up against a water mono should I do shadow ball or alluring voice

[next stump]

that's the worst, RIP

[frigid flume]

Had them 4v1 jolteon

[jade dust]

I mean at that point all he had left was his caly ice

I still had Mieshao in the back

[jade dust]

But yeah agree mirror matches are always awkward, caly ice being one of the most

I don’t set trick room in those and instead lead Mieshao caly and do coaching on caly the most I can before shao gets removed

[timber falcon]

unsurorisingly

i messed up the elo grind

and am back to the ray drawing board

[nocturne holly]

What’s the problem lol

[timber falcon]

Idk what I’m doing

[nocturne holly]

Is it a team or piloting issue

[timber falcon]

One break from competitive and I’ve lost all cognitive abilities from Pokémon

[timber falcon]

Both 😭

[nocturne holly]

Because like no offense I see you back to the drawing board a lot

[timber falcon]

Exactly

It’s a problem

[nocturne holly]

I hope that wasn’t harsh I don’t mean it to be

[nocturne holly]

What’s the team

[timber falcon]

No no it’s just the truth

[timber falcon]

Scrapped

Ik the mons though

Ray, lando-I, watershifu, incin, electabuzz and gholdengo

I think one losing hope in electabuzz

[nocturne holly]

I’m no ray master but like I’m pretty sure it needs chien

[timber falcon]

Apparently not

I will say this though

I’ve noticed a trend in my losses

[nocturne holly]

Which is

[timber falcon]

Always lose to teams that have spread moves

[nocturne holly]

So wide guard you think would help?

[timber falcon]

I’m not even sure

[nocturne holly]

Monke used hitmontop with wide guard on his ray team so it could be helpful

@bold geode

[bold geode]

What

[timber falcon]

Ik, I’m just not sure whether I should also use it

There are other wide guard options

[craggy dagger]

meow-?

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-need-to-teach-you-old-man-slow-thick-gif-12272188

[timber falcon]

And I can’t seem to ever pick

[nocturne holly]

Someone needs ray help dumbass

[bold geode]

Yes
Replace Electabuzz with a WG user (other than Peli)
Literally will give more value

[craggy dagger]

mienshao, garganacl

[bold geode]

Trust me

[timber falcon]

So do I need follow me

Or nah

[craggy dagger]

i-
what’s going on-

[timber falcon]

56th attempt at rayquaza team

I don’t even know anymore

[bold geode]

Don't really need Follow Me tbh

[craggy dagger]

tera fire or tera steel blast how about

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

run coaching shifu next to it instead

[nocturne holly]

Yesss

[bold geode]

Actually that yes

[nocturne holly]

Coaching shifu best shifu

[bold geode]

The Tera Blast not best choice
But the Coaching yeah for sure

[craggy dagger]

you don’t have to worry about caly I with tera fire or steel with coaching next to it
don’t need to run blast

[bold geode]

Gives you another option instead of just Swords Dance

[craggy dagger]

nods

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[craggy dagger]

plus defense boost is nice

[bold geode]

Yeah but you wanna know something funny
Actually the tera could be good
But Wide Guard + Rays Flying type makes Caly Ice very sad

[nocturne holly]

no

Walling cir makes cir very sad

[craggy dagger]

why flying

[timber falcon]

Why not espeed

[nocturne holly]

😡

[nocturne holly]

Ray is flying

[craggy dagger]

what?

[timber falcon]

I’m confused

[craggy dagger]

rayquaza doesn’t get coaching
and i don’t think shifu gets espeed

[bold geode]

No
Wide Guard blocks Glacial Lance + Flying is immune to High Horsepower

[craggy dagger]

i’m saying run coaching shifu next to rayquaza

[timber falcon]

Ok

[craggy dagger]

and run maybe tera fire or tera steel-
if you don’t like those, tera water is fine as well

[timber falcon]

On what

[craggy dagger]

on the ray

[jade dust]

Hitmontop would be good to your team yeah, with fake out, wide guard, coaching and intimidate

The 4th move can be feint or some utility move

[craggy dagger]

just run cc

otherwise top is gonna be deadweight

[jade dust]

Or match punch or bullet punch

A priority move is nice

[craggy dagger]

to be denied by prio block?

[jade dust]

I mean it’s not an incineroar killer like Mieshao

That close combat won’t knock incineroar

[craggy dagger]

oi @bold geode get back here

you can explain hitmontop better than i can

[jade dust]

Not all the time people has Farigiraf out or psychic terrain

Match punch or bullet bunch can finish off low targets

[craggy dagger]

same with a lot of things-
they don’t outright kill incin

stab base 120 move is good enough-
you can chunk a pokemon down and i think that’s enough

[jade dust]

Mieshao does

[craggy dagger]

you don’t need to ohko things

[jade dust]

One close combat and you don’t have to worry about incineroar for the rest of the game

[craggy dagger]

it’s not like they’re bringing incin all the time as well-
i’d like to point that out

run close combat or triple axel

my go to-
or you can run ice spinner for terrain i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nocturne holly]

Yea hitmontop should have cc

[craggy dagger]

priority is nice but you already have extreme speed so

[jade dust]

I forgot rayquaza learns that

Then yes cc

[nocturne holly]

I wanna use a feint user

Feint is such a fun move

[craggy dagger]

feint buzz-

[chrome knot]

the joys of laddering ig

[gentle delta]

I beat michael derbeste today

today was a good day

[craggy dagger]

luvdisc

[chrome knot]

yay.

[gentle delta]

luvdisc is the literal least usable fully evolved pokemon ever im pre sure

someone from smogon tried to find SOME sort of niche for every water type and luvdisc was genuinely impossible

[chrome knot]

it clocked soak

then this happened

[craggy dagger]

i can find a niche-

[chrome knot]

it clicked soak

and weakness policy armarouge clicked energy ball

on a sash mon lmao

[jade dust]

It is but it sucks it isn’t a priority move. If you feint user moves after the attacker then it did nothing

[nocturne holly]

Feint is priority lol

[jade dust]

Is it?

[dapper crag]

Move: Feint

If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

30

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

Yes

Lol

[jade dust]

Oh good lmao

Then can hit those glacial lances

[chrome iron]

I love how Relicanth, known to be the "perfect live form" is dramatically worse than a washing machine

Give some love to the old man fish

[jade dust]

Like what? Those trash stats are the main problem it’s really bad

Water rock is bad combo too

[chrome iron]

Give Relicanth 230 in all base stats

Easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[craggy dagger]

its lore based perfect

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 369: Relicanth

Types

Water/Rock

Abilities

Swift Swim, Rock Head, Sturdy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/90/130/45/65/55

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

Wow

[nocturne holly]

Very physically defensive

decent hp

I doubt swift swim would help that much already being so slow

[cyan smelt]

Rock head head smash

[hollow fossil]

What would yall say are the top 3 best unrestricted answers/checks to zama

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu Chi-Yu Gholdengo or Volcarona

[nocturne holly]

Skeledirge and Chandelure are also quite good

[chrome knot]

@balmy glen where do i find chi yus reading glasses as a collectible item

lost my opl to snarl missing lunala switch in in game 3

[spiral ridge]

@wintry fjord should have chi yus glasses

[jade dust]

Urshifu might crit but still isn’t enough damage to deal with zama

[charred saddle]

gyatt dayum ur green

[jade dust]

Urshifu needs like 3 to 4 rounds and in that time zama can body press

And many run grass or water

[spiral ridge]

i been green boo

[balmy glen]

U lost to my friend xd

Just use 100% acc moves

[chrome knot]

she couldnt fucking see ! and missed snarl on switch

dumb fucking fish

[balmy glen]

Just use incin

[chrome knot]

zamazenta

[foggy lodge]

so uhh

Is it worth to make Latios 168 to outspeed timid Chi-Yu?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 381: Latios

Types

Dragon/Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/90/80/130/110/110

Total

600

Other Formes

Latios-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 1004: Chi-Yu

Types

Dark/Fire

Abilities

Beads of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/80/80/135/120/100

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[fringe pebble]

How would I get vitamins to get these exact numbers, or would that have to be the product of killing certain pokemon over and over calculating each one? Also ty @molten oasis for the team in #rental_teams

[gentle crag]

shyeb has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

You can buy them at the vitamin shops in Mesagosa or you can power herb train them

[fringe pebble]

I worded it weird but basically does getting these exact numbers require JUST vitamins? Or do they need vitamins and another source to get the exact numbers

[next stump]

vitamins give 10 EVs and feathers give 1 EVs if you're looking for a precise number

otherwise you can do wild encounters

[fringe pebble]

Okay cool, and feathers come from just playing the game? (I’ve been doing swsh for DAs)

[next stump]

yeah I think there is a certain route you can find feathers on in SWSH in abundance

I can't remember for that game

[fringe pebble]

I mean in sv, I mentioned swsh because I’ve just been playing that recently

[next stump]

in SV you find them mostly in the Dondozo lake area and in the auction house

I think you also get some from raids but I haven’t done those in at least a year

[fringe pebble]

lol same

Last time I think was the mewtwo raids

[torn parrot]

Anybody have the paste with the
Calyrex ice
Smeargle
Ogerpon water
Annilape (tera normal Rosalie berry)
Ursaluna vaccume wave
Urshifu dark

I see it everywhere

[gentle delta]

I double missed Origin Pulse like 7 times today

Can confirm use accurate moves

[bold geode]

Why the Wo Chien variant be goated
Water Spout mania

[azure ether]

monke your Rayquaza team is fun

one question tho, how do I deal with Icehorse Deedee lead?

[gentle delta]

Yeah but this was never a serious team

All the teams I stream are usually for jokes

[azure ether]

and bo3 at that

[gentle delta]

My whole schtick is making my way up to high Masterball with mostly trash teams and getting chat to go crazy for it

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhuuhuuuuuuu

[azure ether]

I guess cry and accept the 2-0? kek

[gentle delta]

Speaking as the ice horse player

You dont

[bold geode]

2 SDs
Tera Normal Extreme Speed can kill Indeedee I believe

[azure ether]

but Psychic Terrain

[bold geode]

The monkey

That was always a weird MU tbf

[foggy lodge]

Does it have wide guard

[gentle delta]

There is quite possibly no restricted pokemon that is a free-er win for Caly-I than Ray

[azure ether]

the Hitmontop does

[bold geode]

Hitmontop made it funny lmao

[gentle delta]

Except maybe Korai

[gentle delta]

Any Caly player who cant brute force through wide guard doesn’t deserve any wins

[foggy lodge]

Nah atleast it can do something

[bold geode]

But yeah that MU is awkward cuz you gotta figure out how tf to get to that point

[azure ether]

but the Icehorse just HHs and Deedee Psychics the Top

[foggy lodge]

Even tough it's a bad match up

[bold geode]

Yeah Ice Horse DeeDee is messed up
That's where Goldie should be the focal point

[foggy lodge]

So uhh

[azure ether]

yea it's awkward because resetting terrain poses the risk of tanking Glacial Lance

[bold geode]

Tera Water Gholdengo don't do too awful in that MU

[foggy lodge]

Wide guard Hitmontop + a mon that can give a switch to Rilla

[bold geode]

But yeah Ice Horse + DeeDee is a weird MU but like
I saw them for like a day or two and then just never again but like once so

[azure ether]

I have this teammate who runs the same TR team

[foggy lodge]

I think Farigiraf + Caly Ice is a worst lead

[azure ether]

Icehorse Deedee, Hat Koal

[bold geode]

Yeah Goldie was a soldier so

[azure ether]

lemme see if I can pull up the replays

[bold geode]

I tried to EV that way it was a bit harder TO brute force that bitch

[foggy lodge]

I actually have problems with Caly Ice hard TR

Caly Ice normal archetype is a favorable match up for me

Hard TR Caly is not and i'm probably making the wrong gameplan

[bold geode]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Hitmontop: 65-77 (41.4 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

And Tera Steel is a 2HKO

[mystic hatch]

What's a good pokemon to pair up with iron valiant

I'm making a team with my favorite pokemon

[azure ether]

g1
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161923433?p2

g2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161926938?

g3
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161931217?p2

the games are over a week ago but I was thinking of bringing this team for my next matches

[bold geode]

That team right there
Is probably a MU you can't win with Ray team tbh
Although if I were to try
Goldie, Hit, Rilla, and then like probably Ursh

Ting Lu and Ray into that team specifically probably ain't it

[azure ether]

yea it wasn't until the set was over until I realized

[bold geode]

Yeah that's probably what I'd do

But more than likely you just eat shit most the time

[azure ether]

the team is more fun than I initially thought

I'll try your Zama team out too when our in-house resumes

[bold geode]

Lol
I might have another team out soon (yes it's Zama again lmao)

But yeah the Ray team is fun, I loved it

[azure ether]

I'll look forward to that

[tardy zinc]

What would the recommended speed be for calyrex shadow?

[craggy dagger]

max speed iirc

[glad osprey]

is oranguru viable rn

[jade dust]

How is caly ice 1st

[mighty stump]

It’s usage?

It’s self sufficient and easy to use

[cyan smelt]

Funny how neither of the calys run psychic moves

[balmy glen]

?

[cyan smelt]

Caly ice runs hhp and glacial lance and caly s runs ab and draining kiss

[balmy glen]

Well Caly ice has to

Csr doesn’t always run draining kiss

Tbh I’ve seen more Psychic and Psyshock and Giga drain lately

[cyan smelt]

i've seen it run giga drain too

[balmy glen]

I think I see more draining kiss in lower ladder

In high ladder it’s a general mix while tournaments some people don’t use it as much and even opted for just outright dmg with tera blast

In Japan Psyshock is the most common rn

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah keanu i meant to ask you, if you're running skeledirge to answer caly-i, how do you deal with the either pelipper and/or urshifu-r partner

[knotty briar]

Caly-i with cress is what I've been using to climb the ladder

[jade dust]

What is that fucking bullshit

Fairy type miraidon with imprison Farigiraf

[modern harbor]

is indeedee usually sash?

[jade dust]

No, berry or seed

[modern harbor]

bruh

i got rekt by sash F

[jade dust]

Seed indeedees invest all EVs in hp and def

[modern harbor]

does it live throat chop from pao with max def?

[pearl wind]

depends on the pao but most likely not
252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 180-212 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 164-194 (92.6 - 109.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

[modern harbor]

yeah im +spe

but i doubt many indeedees put nothing into spa

they hit p hard

i never bring rilla any recommendations

[pearl wind]

i cant help with that, sorry havent played in a while

[modern harbor]

caly shadow players try not to ragequit challenge impossible

[charred saddle]

seed --> max hp max def
berry/rocky helmet --> hp def spdef mixed

[next stump]

could do Incin or maybe even Chi-Yu

[foggy lodge]

i think i'm gonna start playing Koraidon

Would this base be good? https://pokepast.es/d2dad9563241bb61

[mighty stump]

@steady cove #rental_teams is meant for competitively relevant teams AND those posts need to follow the format. Your post has been deleted.

[chrome knot]

what was it

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/2408c329144ad9b0

[chrome knot]

LMAO what is that

[balmy glen]

Goat

[sweet swallow]

I wonder now

How does tera + protean work?

[balmy glen]

Which interaction

Once you tera you tera

If that’s what your wondering

[dapper crag]

Ability: Protean

This Pokemon's type changes to match the type of the move it is about to use. This effect comes after all effects that change a move's type. This effect can only happen once per switch-in, and only if this Pokemon is not Terastallized.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[sweet swallow]

Ahhhh

They nerfed it a lot since I last saw it

Thanks!

[balmy glen]

Ye it was pretty broken back then

Npnp

[sweet swallow]

I see they added a lot of “once per battle” and “once per switch in” stuff

[nocturne holly]

Yea 😡

my sword dog isn’t op anymore 😢

[dapper crag]

Ability: Embody Aspect (Hearthflame)

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack is raised by 1 stage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

the new zacian ig-

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/97be4a874ef9c169

I made this base

Is it too bad dropping Chi-Yu?

[molten oasis]

Zacian will not be replaced

Plus ogerpon has to Tera for it

https://x.com/roxxiekitsune/status/1816150601430097969?s=46

ROXXIE ✨TEAM STARDUST✨ (@RoxxieKitsune) on X

Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 4:37 PM

[knotty mirage]

At still zacian still good on bss seeing it alot on there

[molten oasis]

Vgc

This is a vgc joke lol

[nocturne holly]

Zac is good in vgc

Zac kyogre is gonna be so fun

I also wanna do cir zac

They both have similar teammates

[molten oasis]

Get walled by steel type syndrome?

Just cuz they have similar teammates doesn’t mean they should pair together

[nocturne holly]

🔫🫵

[molten oasis]

I accept it

Better than fighting CSR

[nocturne holly]

zac csr😈😈

[molten oasis]

Stupid unfair horse that ruins my laddering experience

That won worlds in 2022

[nocturne holly]

csr is nice

It’s not its fault it’s good

[molten oasis]

[nocturne holly]

maybe don’t hate on it

[molten oasis]

You’re staring at the guy who plays off meta

Ie NOT CSR

[nocturne holly]

just run Tera normal on everything

[molten oasis]

No

[nocturne holly]

Galarian zigzagoon

[molten oasis]

It’s really more just, idk how to fight it

[nocturne holly]

And have yveltal dark aura

[nocturne holly]

don’t you have incin on the team?

[molten oasis]

Idk how to best HO mode or set up mode

Incin does not solve the mu to CSR

[nocturne holly]

Ok but

It’s good for it

[molten oasis]

sure

[nocturne holly]

Who else is on the team

[molten oasis]

Zac amoonguss goggles shifu torn regi and incin

https://pokepast.es/95ff683d6968b945

[foggy lodge]

it won the world championship and dodged the nerfs

thanks game freak

[molten oasis]

I played Zac amoon shifu incin torn for a couple weeks felt like the team was good now I think it just lacks

[nocturne holly]

Just nuke it with damage

[molten oasis]

incineroar prevents that

Clefairy prevents that

It’s not easy to just nuke it

[nocturne holly]

Doesn’t your zac spread tank couple abs

[molten oasis]

I don’t exactly have a drive to play the game because of how I feel about it

[molten oasis]

If I take 0 chip it takes +2 astral

[knotty mirage]

The 90$ price tag do help it to not get nerf just like shifu

[nocturne holly]

How many neutrals?

[molten oasis]

3

But they’re all set up or Tera ghost

So 2

[nocturne holly]

I think amoonguss would be like really good for you

For like clef csr set up with zac and just like spore the clef

[molten oasis]

I guess

[nocturne holly]

Does torn tank ab?

[knotty mirage]

I think it can only once tho

[molten oasis]

Once unboosted

[nocturne holly]

But like yea the leads aren’t going to be so straightforward you gotta present the mons you need for csr

I’m using wide guard peli for csr in my zac team

[molten oasis]

I’m done I play 2 fucking games and it’s just specs CSR or spam switching with incin so I can’t do anything

I hate this thing so much

[foggy lodge]

okay maybe this could work https://pokepast.es/ab65baa7cb6ed0b1

[bold geode]

Friending that just looks like a basic ass Koraidon team

[craggy dagger]

i love myself some pressure entei

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i just want to play Entei tbh

[nocturne holly]

You look like a basic ass monke

[foggy lodge]

damn

Mb it's inner focus xd

[bold geode]

I am a basic ass Monke

My teams other than Rayquaza team are just basic ass teams with a pinch of salt for seasoning

My teams are just like me
Basic white bitch

[nocturne holly]

Can you atleast eat spicy food

[craggy dagger]

cough
thundy T

[bold geode]

Yeah mayonnaise is pretty fuckin spicy bro

[bold geode]

Like I said
Little salt

Oh Nova, know how I had it there for Miraidon

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[bold geode]

Well in the middle of a set last night I was having trouble with Bolt then I realized in middle of Game 3 when I brought Thundy "oh hey"

[craggy dagger]

idiot

it’s not for mirai

it’s for electric types

i thought that was your main goal

hence why i also told you to switch from tera fairy

[nocturne holly]

What item are you running on it

I used it a lot in reg d-f

Volt absorb is so fun

[bold geode]

Ability+ Tera Fairy

[craggy dagger]

specs iirc

[bold geode]

Walling was my goal
Nova it's taken you this long to realize it's basically Great Value Raichu

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/95f9df0a0a536298

[nocturne holly]

I used Tera blast flying LO

Fairy is better if you’re walling my mirai

[craggy dagger]

much different wym

raichu does different things :0

[bold geode]

Well in the main reason why it's there
But yeah Thundy gives some immediate offense too, which I need sometimes

[craggy dagger]

i dont see thundy getting fake out or nuzzle

joking asides

its not that bad of a pick

[bold geode]

Yeah
It just gambles

Honestly that's another reason now
I love gambling

[craggy dagger]

uhhhhhhhh
check turn 4

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2167914033

thats a scarfed miraidon-

[little plank]

Ugh gave it another chance and just tanking, not sure even what I am doing differently but can't even get out of the 1200s anymore on showdown

[balmy glen]

Wait are you HappyW

[bold geode]

That is?

Why lol

[little plank]

If this was directed to me then no

[balmy glen]

Look above

[craggy dagger]

well its def not outspeeding a tailwind scarf shifu

[bold geode]

Did you knock off your Shifu?

[craggy dagger]

thats at 223 without tailwind

[little plank]

Oh lmao

My bad , highly frustrated atm and brain is fried.

[craggy dagger]

nope

[bold geode]

How it change move

[molten oasis]

shifu switched in and out

[bold geode]

I'm stupid

[molten oasis]

yea i dont see any issues with that match

[chrome knot]

based pfp

[molten oasis]

ty

[bold geode]

Pay attention to me

[molten oasis]

Hala is a disease

it just spreads slowly to every vgc player

[bold geode]

Wait
LMFAO I GOT A MEME IDEA IMMA MAKE AT LUNCH

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[bold geode]

Fuck Mematic won't let me do it worth a shit

@chrome knot

Chat I made that meme and now I don't really see that many Hala memes
They're right
I do kill jokes

[foggy lodge]

I never understood the meme

Is just like putting him on everything¿

[bold geode]

Making fun of engagement farming

[pallid hare]

Be the joke killer the world needs

[jade dust]

These caly ice mirror games are so annoying

6 out of 10 games were caly ice

[craggy dagger]

i wonder why

[next stump]

the mirror is all about the little techs on the team

also ogerpon-c is a great mirror breaker but usually they will have their own oger-c so that can be annoying with speed ties

[jade dust]

Like coaching spam

Or decorate smeargle

[plain drum]

[solar mirage]

[bold geode]

That won't stop me

[plain drum]

[bold geode]

IT WON'T STOP ME

[spiral ridge]

monkey ill give you my account so you can continue to message eni 🫶

[spiral ridge]

also wanna do some more vgc later? ill get the new rental now

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/courtneyposting/status/1816851106330214824?s=46

Courtney Propaganda (@CourtneyPosting) on X

I love Courtney, she's so cute ❤️

Twitter · Jul 26, 2024, 3:00 PM

[torn parrot]

Srsly find it constantly

I’m pretty sure it hit like number one on the ladder

So hard to crack

[modern harbor]

yeah hard tr caly ice is easily the most common right now ahead of maybe caly shadow on cart

[rustic mountain]

i havent played that specific cir comp once

[molten oasis]

Can I have your ladder pulls? I only get CSR

[modern harbor]

loll

i get csr maybe as much as miraidon

[molten oasis]

I sure don’t lol

I get, CSR, CSR, CSR, CSR, Miraidon, CSR, CIT

By the second CSR im already frustrated as its genuinely so infuriating for me to fight

[modern harbor]

for me its like 50% CIR, 20% Mirai, 20% CSR, 5% Terapagos, 5% Zama

i hardly ever see kyogre, groudon, or Koraidon anymore

[chrome knot]

@modern harbor butthead hahaha

[modern harbor]

somtimes i see teams that are caly ice and ALL supports

[modern harbor]

wut

i saw like caly ice, incin, smeargle, grimmsnarl, farigiraf, electabuzz, raichu or something

i forgot exactly but i remember being in shock

[rustic mountain]

lmao wild

[modern harbor]

i want psychic terrain on a prankster mon as a move :/

maybe grimm gets it

[chrome knot]

wha

[modern harbor]

what butthead

[chrome knot]

[fringe oar]

mewostic

also gets fake out

[modern harbor]

probably wants sash tho

[little plank]

Am I missing something? I though if you just swapped in you had to sit atleast 1 sleep turn if the mon was asleep. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2168100902

[gentle delta]

that changed a while back

like Gen 5 or 6

[little plank]

Damn if I would have known that I would have just double protected lol

[dapper crag]

hello

[molten oasis]

Hello?

[dapper crag]

hi

[nocturne holly]

Hi?

[dapper crag]

We aren’t making a hi chain here

[knotty briar]

Just made it to master ball tier with this team!

[dapper crag]

nice

[knotty briar]

Cress is pretty much never seen, but it's still fairly good

Lunar blessing allowed Calyrex to survive a tera normal blood moon at the last moment

[dapper crag]

cool

[molten oasis]

It’s alright

Fari is better

[molten oasis]

Did you want anything?

[dapper crag]

to discuss competitive

but i got sidetracked

[knotty briar]

True, but lunar blessing also removes burn, which has given me the win on multiple occasions

[bold geode]

I want you

Waddup cutie

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2168147965-zw6o3909aiw6cgpfaewslul4rqwitdnpw I think he rage quit....

[molten oasis]

Guys he’s trying to flirt with me again

[bold geode]

I can't say what I was gonna say here

[little plank]

This has to be the most fun team I have played this generation lmao just pushed 1500 with it on showdown. I threw it together so some stuff is definitely not right any tips would be appreciated. https://pokepast.es/e07b41dbdabb247e

I'm almost wanting to try choice band on Groupon and swapping to tera grass. My rillabolm match up is iffy.

[junior patrol]

I wanna say thank you to everyone who helped me in this chat

[little plank]

Actually maybe tera fire? for the groudon hmmm

[cyan smelt]

If you're banded you def want to avoid wisp

[mighty stump]

just go tera fire

Avoids the Ice overlap

You have Bolt/Incin/Yanmega for Boom

[little plank]

Think I should try band or leave it clear amulet?

[cyan smelt]

You don't have many protects on your team

[cyan smelt]

Does yanmega outspeed caly s after one speed boost?

[little plank]

It should ya

wait no

nvm yes it does lol

[knotty briar]

Speed boost has always been a busted ass ability

[knotty briar]

Ayyy congrats

[jade dust]

Is scarf usrshifu faster than caly s?

[knotty briar]

Adamant 252 speed scarf urshifu is 1 point faster than max speed caly s

[gentle delta]

I managed to accidentally catch an unwanted 0 speed calyrex

now I have to replay Shield again...

[knotty briar]

Perfect for trick room

[gentle delta]

damn I had no idea

[knotty briar]

Here's my team for example

[gentle delta]

Interesting

I'll have to give this trick room thing a try

[knotty briar]

Min speed Calyrex-ice is crazy

[gentle delta]

im yanking your chain Im known for only playing trick room

I just dont need a 0 speed caly rn

its funny that it wasnt wanted and now I gotta catch another because bottle capping would be a waste

[knotty briar]

It really would

[gentle delta]

also, respect for Cress in Reg G

idk if I have the stomach to play something so passive

[knotty briar]

Lunar blessing has saved my ass on several occasions

[gentle delta]

I think its the wrong way to play hard tr personally

Cress does better on the more midrange/soft TR teams that have longer extended gameplans

yours looks like its missing the high speed options for that kinda setup

I think Farig would do you a lot better so you can just laugh in the face of Incin with caly

This is something that was high on my list for Worlds before but I've since abandoned it. https://pokepast.es/86aea0459e3c5a8d

its too bad my Caly wasn't 2 speed, then I could build this in game

[knotty briar]

Maybe once I get the chance to shiny hunt Farig, but until then, cress is just fine for now

[gentle delta]

I have spare shiny girafarig if you want it

just sitting collecting dust in a box for a stream giveaway

[knotty briar]

Ayo seriously?

[gentle delta]

yeah

Im replacing like 1000+ shinies in my collection slowly

stuff with deadname for OT being replaced by stuff caught my me now

and I have a whole living shiny dex to replace

and have been giving away the old ones left and right to friends and while streaming to chat

[knotty briar]

Dude if you're serious I would gladly take it off your hands

[gentle delta]

moving it from Home as we speak

dm me for trade details

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone know what the best physical pshycic attack is ? It's not zen headbutt right

[knotty briar]

Psychic fangs is ideal
Zen headbutt if you can't teach it

Pscho cut if you have sharpness

[knotty mirage]

Damn i guess caly ice can't really get good pshycic stab afterall

[knotty briar]

Yeah...

[knotty mirage]

Zen headbutt just really suck to use

[knotty briar]

Metagross getting psychic fangs was the biggest buff it got in gen 9

[knotty mirage]

Well just hope caly ice can get psyhic fang too maybe in next gen

[knotty briar]

It's just a shame more mons can't get it

@gentle delta how's this farigiraf set?

[gentle delta]

Imprison is kind of a trap, it doesnt actually you advance your game plan

I'd go Ground or Fairy tera with either Safety Goggles or Mental Herb

Trick Room
Helping Hand
Foul Play
Protect/Dazzling Gleam/Psychic Noise

[gentle delta]

you should never run a psychic move on caly I

even if there were stonger ones ice ground is perfect coverage

[knotty briar]

Really, foul play?

[gentle delta]

yes it nukes opposing Caly-I's

[knotty briar]

Yeah that IS an issue

'Preciate the tip

[north badger]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gentle delta]

why would you ever run lunar dance its an awful move

or you confusing it lunar blessing which he is running

[knotty briar]

Lunar dance is niche at best

[north badger]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[knotty briar]

Lunar dance is healing wish that also restores pp
Not a good doubles move

Great for stall teams in singles

[gentle delta]

healing wish is better suited on a mon that does its job once then isn't needed like Indeedee

it has a niche but its a small one, Cress generally wants to be alive and should not use Lunar Dance

[jade dust]

Timid right?

Faster than timid caly s

[chrome knot]

yes

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot i cant go to my local cause im sick :(

[chrome knot]

noooo :(

[zinc totem]

oh noo. gives tofu thousands hugs

[jade dust]

I didn’t know that ability shield had a good use, against mold breaker ability specifically

Ability shield disables mold breaker against the holder of it

[timber falcon]

if flutter is rayquaza biggest opp

what do i do against it

[timber falcon]

anyone know some average CIR and miradon teams

[plain drum]

Feel better soon Tofu

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/cdb616464570cf0a cooked or cooking?

[violet kindle]

Low-Mid cooks

[patent marsh]

irl footage of Zacian

[indigo arch]

psychic

[bold geode]

Did she get an attack boost though

[pallid hare]

this was the second time in battle they were sent out, no attack boost

[bold geode]

Nah there was an Incineroar at the function

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke

[mighty stump]

Why are you running Tera-Ground Tera Blast Watershifu

[timber falcon]

I’m ahead of the game

[mighty stump]

so ahead you're in an entirely different game cause this isn't VGC

[timber falcon]

I’m sick and tired of miraidon :/

[mighty stump]

lol

[timber falcon]

That’s why

[mighty stump]

run Rilla then

[timber falcon]

Tera ground?

My main gameplan is

Don’t let that nasty mf volt switch out

[mighty stump]

run something with Lightning Rod then

lol

[timber falcon]

I feel like I cover more ground with making it shifu thoigh

Leaving more slots for other mons

[mighty stump]

Suit yourself

[timber falcon]

Also what do you think of the swampert set

I think it sucks rn

[mighty stump]

No comment

[dull ibex]

doesnt swampert just usck

[nocturne holly]

That’s what I was gonna say

[timber falcon]

Was mainly after the typing

Cause I’m sick and tired of miraidon

I’ve never despised a mon so much

[dapper crag]

Move: Sunny Day

For 5 turns, the weather becomes Sunny Day. The damage of Fire-type attacks is multiplied by 1.5 and the damage of Water-type attacks is multiplied by 0.5 during the effect. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Heat Rock. Fails if the current weather is Sunny Day.

Type

Fire

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[nocturne holly]

a water move used in a fire type in the sun effectively makes it neutral right

[timber falcon]

I think

[mighty stump]

Yes.

[timber falcon]

Also tofu did I tell u

I got 81% on literature 💪

Am English professional

[chrome knot]

gm tofu

[timber falcon]

Anyways, I feel like my swampert set is wayyyyy to passive

[mighty stump]

I'm still sad I can't go to that local

[timber falcon]

What do I do to ficx

[chrome knot]

:<

like are you still deathly sick?

[timber falcon]

I can’t use AV cause I need wide guard, and I really like protect, last time I ran it without protect it would kinda just die

[mighty stump]

no but the coughing is still bad, i don't wanna spread it and i don't want to tire myself out by going to play mons

[chrome knot]

ahhh

[mighty stump]

like im not 100%

[chrome knot]

was gonna say if not bad wear mask and go play

[timber falcon]

You mean a tournament?

I thought those weren’t happening anymore

Until worlds

[chrome knot]

yes a local tournament bc the 2025 season started already

[timber falcon]

Oh kinda like the premier league

People gathering points, smth like that I assume

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/pSsoDnbZENo?si=aaJiZPiJFE07nNPu

[ornate forge]

salamence

[bold geode]

Do you know what it is?

[mighty stump]

No,

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump I be rockin mini space buns today :3

[mighty stump]

That's nice

I;m just upset

[glad osprey]

Anyone have a good team that uses oranguru?

[bold geode]

My friend go to a doctor

[mighty stump]

wow

why didn't i think of that

[bold geode]

I know crazy right

[mighty stump]

well i did, im on stronger painkillers and cough medication

and antibiotics since my throat is so fucked up

[bold geode]

Damn basically he said skill issue and gave you stronger Tylenol and DayQuil

[mighty stump]

I don't know what either of those things are.

[bold geode]

Y'know Ibuprofen?

[mighty stump]

Yes

[bold geode]

Tylenol is along same lines

Well it's Acetaminophen I think?

[mighty stump]

Oh

Paracetamol

I'm on Paracetamol/Codeine right now

[bold geode]

And DayQuil is just like
Over the counter cold/cough medicine
There's the other kind that's NyQuil

Which NyQuil is the one that you take at night that knocks your ass clean out
People also tried putting it on chicken for whatever fuckin reason
Either that or the FDA or whatever had to warn people not to idr

[mighty stump]

I’m gonna go back to sleep

I feel shit

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I CAN'T EVEN GET COFFEE

[little plank]

Hmm first game of the day with the new team, feel like I could have played this better though.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2168476088

A swap into sableeye I guess when he final gambit possibly? Or maybe even Yamega since he was already low.

[molten oasis]

Incineroar

[bold geode]

Wrong bitch it's Spidops

[crimson merlin]

Trying to make my team better for online battles, any suggestions?

I try to limit myself to 1 legendary minimum cuz i feel like using legendaries is kinda cheating

[knotty briar]

This singles or doubles?

[crimson merlin]

Singles

[knotty briar]

Oof
I'm better with doubles tbh

[crimson merlin]

Ah oke

[knotty briar]

But you definitely want espeed on ray

That's kind of a given for any Rayquaza set

[crimson merlin]

So smth that boosts his speed?

[knotty briar]

Extreme speed

Priority is important

[crimson merlin]

Oooh oke i didnt think about that

[knotty briar]

Also replace poli with iron bundle

[crimson merlin]

Alr

[knotty briar]

Ursaluna is not a rest mon

And wtf is that decidueye set?

[crimson merlin]

I dont play much comp so i wanted to try out something new

[knotty briar]

Go with tera stellar serperior for a non legendary grass mon

Contrary leaf storm and tera blast is great

[crimson merlin]

Kewl

[knotty briar]

Minior would need white herb for the item

And have earthquake and rock slide/stone edge

[crimson merlin]

Wrong gif

I was trying to use the one where its miles morales taking notes from peter parker lol

[knotty briar]

Also replace gholdengo charge beam with dazzling gleam

[fringe oar]

has the reg h ruleset been released

[knotty briar]

Not yet, but I'm guessing it will be like previous restricted formats

Working on getting a min speed Necrozma for it

[fringe oar]

dawn wings is fun

[knotty briar]

Trick room in general is fun

[fringe oar]

get a calm mind and everything blows up

[knotty briar]

But that's about all the advice I can currently give
I'm mainly a doubles player

[crimson merlin]

Thx for the advice bman

😁 this really helps

[knotty briar]

Sure
Just go online and experiment with different teams

[crimson merlin]

Will do, thx again

[knotty briar]

And ask for advice when needed of course

[fringe oar]

what restricted do you normally run?

[knotty briar]

Caly ice is so busted

[fringe oar]

not if it gets burned lo

[knotty briar]

That's what lunar blessing is for

[fringe oar]

what do u do into urshifu dark?

3.5 mons get blown up

[knotty briar]

I've noticed that urshifu dark is not a common lead

By the time it comes out caly ice usually already has a boost

[fringe oar]

do u have any experience with basculegion? sounds rlly random but got me to 1550 on showdown

[knotty briar]

Last respects is busted