#competitive_discussion
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Zygarde was awful
Helping hand Draco meteor is not enough to take cress
Maybe with tera dragon but who runs that
Point is Cress is not good
you still get chunked
@modern harbor do you have swsh...
i like iron def protect because into incin body press threatens KO, so if they tera ghost taunt is available and if they switch there are good opportunities for iron defense either way
yes !!
and do you have the dlc
yes
omg can you help me do DAs in like 30mins
which one?
im currently doing whatever the fuck shows up until tapu fini shows up
Just wondering is reg H gonna be available next month ?
The Fini?
yeah finito
September
Begins like September
Ah alright
Why?
I think we’re getting the announcement early August tho which is nice
I might need to prepare my zam then hopefully it can be good parnter for caly s
Say how come Indeede F is more used than Indeedee M
FAT
fr
Bless your soul
see you next year when I find it
I want xerneas shiny,,
FEAR NOT ! ! I saved the path.
scotty
i already have a path
I can’t start for xerneas cus I’m doing lunala still 😭
And I think I have it aswell
I’m sunk cost fallacy I can’t give up
im not gonna be home for a while...
WAAAAAAAAAA
HIIIIII IM KINDA BUSY
me when I explode and die on the spot
IM SORRYYYY
0/2 my life over
pat pat
you can do ittttt
People are still using Dondozo
It’s definitely good and it can carry a team if they don’t have its counters but it loses very hard to Amoonguss and haze

well, its a Tapu
Koko’s a cool mom
is there like a tierlist of starting mons
I feel like im always picking the WRONG one
All the rental mons suck tbf
At least they usually do
Clefairy is good
@bold geode u remember ray and jay
hes doing the same shit in league server now lol
If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.
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how useful is feint against wide guard zam
depends what you're doing alongside the feint
You're joking
Glacial Lance cir
Zama is a pretty bad mu for me
Yeah Zama is a bad MU against Caly Ice in general
just win
Real
i hate DAs i think
Is there a way to see moves based on power ? Like Stab+a item booster etc
I don’t think the showdown calc has that
like how much damage it will do?
No just its base power, like if I wanna find the base power of a latios luster purge with soul dew and stab
lmfao
She was never good sadly
Decorate is a really good move but alcremie has really bad stats
in the context of Dynamax Adventures
Ah
I would like of she was good cuz I love her design and her shiny
And how there are a lot of possible combinations
Aroma veil is a nice ability too, being immune to taunt and encore as a support
And having a good SpcA
does final gambit count as an attack for sucker punch?
yeah it should
@modern harbor are you busy tomorrow @craggy dagger
...
not tomorrow but tuesday TwT-
been busy
ㅠㅠ
?
gta watch something or listen to music for das otherwise
also assuming u have animations turned off?
gimmeeeeeeeee
just play something else while you do DA's-
like watching a show or smth
UHHHHH in what world do you deserve one rn
awe
no share
you no helpyyyy
i cant-
im outside
Best tera type for Volcarona? (Singles)
I CANT BEAT CALY CLEFAIRY
i need a mf tutor
exploding you with my mind rn
wut
yeah
owieeeeeee
mhm mhm :3
You can turn off animations?
Random question, but in y'all's experience, what's the best Nature for Charizard:
-Adamant
-Modest
OR
-Naive
I was curious since I was breeding
Only for single player. No online
Does it apply to DAs
If you do solo
Speed
Special Defence
Modest/Timid.
yep
Thanks!
silverblade02 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
did i miss anything
I have been summoned
OMG I WON AGAINST A STUPID SMEARGLE CALY ICE
i used follow me ogerpon to block a bunch of spore hehe, got an iron defense in somewhere and actually played well!!! 3-0
waterpon is like the worst ogerpon atm imo
The pure grass one exists
That ones better lol
Rockpon = Firepon > Grasspon > Waterpon
At best it barely checks Kyogre and is punished by Intim and usually is 2HKO’d by U-Turn from Scarfshifu
fire pon better bc rock pon ugly :3
The rock one is weak to u turn too
Rock doesn’t resist bug
And all get punished by intimidate besides grass one
it was not meant for lasting long
just gonna put this idea out there-
but the fusion moves (flare and bolt) double in base power when one is used before the other right…
so…
scarfed 252+ speed smeargle with one of the moves, while we run kyu-W/B…
Power doubles if the last move used by any Pokemon this turn was Fusion Flare.
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Does not make contact.
oh boi i think you are onto something
how the mighty have fallen
i know lyco will be overjoyed to learn that zekrom can actually do something without it missing a big power electric physical move or having one without detriment-
though i will say-
sash smeargle is prolly better so that you can still do support smeargle things
he knows that already
I COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUCEMENT
meow-?
is decorate received by follow me?
yeah
im tempted to make my fire pon bulkier but i dont know what it's meant to outspeed
I mean if you go for a follow me focus build then you focus in HP and defenses
But I like the offensive ogerpon build
just 252 252? i always feel like im wasting stats then
Well in a lot of cases you do an even split in defenses. 252 HP and 128 Def 128 SpcD
And nature on whatever defense is the lowest or if you are bringing intimidate then +SpcD
at least have to outspeed Landorus incarnate in Reg F, which is 188 speed EVS
Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 36 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Wood Hammer/Grasy Glide
- Follow Me/ Swords Dance
- Spiky Shield
@modern harbor If you Really Want Bulk on Hearthflame,then just use this Set
brother
wow that looks awfully familiar
yes its Wellspring's EVs lol
you do not even split defenses on something like ogerpon @jade dust
but i mean if you want Bulk on Ogerpon Hearthflame i guess no Choice but Wellspring
you only do that for bulky supportive mons with balanced defenses and even then, you typically dont
you tend to invest more into one stat to live certain hits
yeah
Well I know it depends, like with Indeedee you invest all in HP and Def and use psychic seed
yea but like
But in things like Amoonguss or Farigiraf you invest even
"in a lot of cases you do an even split in defenses" is very very wrong
not even
farigiraf sure ik they're balaned evs sometiems but amoonguss is typically invested heavier on the physicl side
to live things from like, chien pao
Ogerpon is Different cuz its a Offensive Support like Rillaboom
Well if you have intimidate you can consider that in EVs investment
ogerpon has a really unique role im very fond of
agree
Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Counter, Double Kick, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Horn Leech, Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Power Whip, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Seed Bomb, Slam, Solar Blade, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wood Hammer, Zen Headbutt
Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Tera Blast
Charm, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Follow Me, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spiky Shield, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt
A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ogerpon.
helping hand
An anyone help me build a competitive team with my pokemons? I was playing only singles and i need some help
we dont play a lot of signles here
But I know follow me is very good being a grass type cuz it can lure other grass attackers
I am trying to get competitive in doubles
oh wait nvm
ah, go into rentals and look for some teams to use there
Nah nah like i dont mean singles cause doubles are the only competitive one
i would not suggest building any teams yourself until you have a better understanding of the meta
Are hazards vialable in doubles?
there is a perfect example ontop of not learning the easier way
hazards are only good as byproducts
unless you use Glimmora then no
Alr good then cause i use glimmora lol
setting them up manually is not good
especially in this format is very Offensive
well, in general they arent good
You said it was nothing special when I mentioned it on cresselia
Which yes it’s true many learn it
dude
im naming supportive options
Alr, what would be better in doubles, Glowking+baxcalibur or pelliper+archaludon
and yea it isnt anything special on cress, because theres better mons that use helping hand rn
peli archa 100%
glowking sucks
you can actually do kyogre archaludon
I dont really use legendarys
um
Who
get over that immediately
Slowking galar
if you want to play doubles you have to use legendaries
ok thats
Its literally the main Point in this format-
yeah not gonna get anywhere without restricteds or at least stuff like ogerpon or urshifu
in fact legendaries make the game more interesting imo
Landorus Incrarnate Hype when
Good to know
Sticky web and all that aren’t like
i'd suggest a rental
Worth setting up
Shuckle is way better in singles than doubles
lowering speed is so valuable
Galvantula or glimmora
It’s the most valuable setting up
alright i give up
But it’s even better in singles
But there isn’t any good sticky web user
Not in this gen
Galvantula RAAAGHHH
Icy wind, tailwind and trick room are really the speed control ways in SV
I just realized that 4 of my pokemons in my main team are weak to ground
what's your team?
why another Terrain Extended Miraidon Again-
-# it's a singles team
Stealth Rock in vgc?
This looks somehow worse
Tofu do you have any Paper Bag
I need it for certain thing
Lmfao I made this meme team, thinking how many wins I could get in ranked
lol
although it's not that format yet, what are some fun-sounding double restricted pairings? my team is out of playoff contention in our local team league now so we might as well just have fun with our in-house practices.
CSR Zama and CIR miraidon is all you need
Fun sounding or meta
can be both, I guess
Miraidon Ogre i do wanna test whe august come around
back to zombies
gl
CSR/Zama, Zama or ZacOgre, Mirai/CIR, Korai/Zacian, Terapagos/CSR, Dialga/CIR
Groudon/Zacian, Lunala/Zama
ahh Groudon Zacian
Kyogre/Rayquaza
it's Rinya Sun all over again
honestly i would not question why MiraiOgre does not work
thats counterituitive, Rayquaza removes all weather
Umm
Person Named Wolfe Glick
would Ability Shield Kyogre make it so that Drizzle supercedes Air Lock
Doesn’t work that way
right
what was that setup?
The point of Rayquaza is to essentially deal with Grass types and neutralise Sun matchups
Lol
I know Wolfey but I didnt follow the scene in gen 6 and 7
you literally said you followed the meta since Gen 6
Well what was the setup?
korai zac?
Thats all?
I mean yes Rayquaza is flying but
i can see it work
How does it stop sun?
Zac deals with the fairies that Kor hates
What does Air Lock do
oh, ig like, korai can handle incin
Remove weather
and steel types
What does Sun do to Water moves
Wouldnt it remove rain too?
you don't lead Kyogre and Ray then
Well if someone is switching in their Sun mon anyways, would you rather take half or neutral power
I mean does that mean it has to be a sun team or sun Rain Dual Weather
probably a sun team because rain hinders the shit out of koraidon
i mean fair lmao
i'll explore that maybe
Alright so you use rayquaza in case they have sun
yea
Yes
I'm having PTSD 
Plus its not like Kyogre doesn’t hit hard without Rain
it's only a suggestion I made for our in-house. we just memeing around since we're out.
Yeah fair, with tera water its like if had rain anyway
But air lock cant be overwritten right?
yea, air lock disables weather effects
Nope, unless Neutralising Gas or Gastro Acid lol
Like someone switching in cant put weather while rayquaza is on the field
or Entrainment ro whatever
my favorite tech
Basically, yea
so
i believe the weather itself goes up but nothing gains the effects of it
it doesnt remove the weather just kinda turns it off
While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.
Something I didn’t understand in gen 6 is that a lot of people ran both primal Kyoger and primal Groudon in the same team
They do opposite things, why to use both if they nullify each other
Weather Wars Babyeeeee
to nullify the other team's weather
even you understand why
Now thinking about it ig Zac and korai cover eachother decently
I know of weather war but, primordial sea and desolate land can’t be overwritten by hail or sandstorm
Zac might not want to tank the boosted Fire moves tho
if I use it I’ll have to get a legit koraidon, yay
That’s why we run wake 
I understand using rayquaza and one of the primals but
good luck
That’s cuz rayquaza has delta stream which doesn’t clash as hard as both Kyoger and Groudon
I would think more of Kyoger or Groudon and Xerneas
I have seen stellar
@molten oasis
uhm, if you dont like wisp sure
i like water or dragon defensively, but also you can tera ground for good coverage or tera stellar
yea I was thinking of dodging wisp and not having the sun turned against me
Note
Move will still hurt from like, chi yu in the sun for example
hmm I guess I'd have to play it like it's still a single restricted team then
like a team with a Kor mode and Zac mode?
So caly s and clef is popular atp, how are people dealing with that?
I had to fight those recently. I used trick room to win but it’s a thought fight for sure
I had my wide guard users alive as much as possible while caly ice was doing damage
if ur that scared of it just use tera normal gholdengo
They stall my trick room but then when when my trick room was about to end, I let my wide guard uses to get KO and got Amoonguss in
Then protect with caly ice and tera normal Amoonguss
And spore their caly shadow
Tr is not a good counter because clef can just use after you
Yeah but if you have Amoonguss, it’s slower
You spore clef
Clef has 35 speed and guss has 30
Wide guard is your best friend against caly shadow, have an attacker that can survive draining kiss and a sash wide guard
That way your force caly shadow to target you wide guard user
My caly ice didn’t take much damage from draining kiss so I kept doing damage
Hey ladies and gentlemen uh idk
every time i saw A slither Wing Fan i have to make the Sierra Dawn Alt account joke lol
So uh come here often
whats up
I could use advice for a doubles team
okay? whats the paste
any Pokepaste?
I dont got anything for ideas but I could use a good push
I wanna use smth unique in a way
like in what way unique
you mean in Box Art Restricted?
Like idk normal vgc type ranked
currently right now is Single Restricted
You can bring one restricted Legendary (Box Art)
I do singles but i wanna do doubles since its what “all the cool kids do”
its Doubles 4v4
Its just single Restricteds is using one Restricted Legendary to build around a doubles team
Yep
i would recommend you llook at #rental_teams to know how to build Teams and grasp the metagame
I wanna try to get into the doubles. Its all people play my friends play comp and i wanna have a good team
Thx!!
ogerpon_slitherwinged_boy has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456
after sometime,you can build teams normally if you think you have a good grasp on the metagame
Tbh all i know is miraidon go vroooom! Koradion go hsssss (with his fire) ice caly go brrrr and insert water splashes and go brrr on all pokemon while trick room
ok thats funni
But there are more than just go brrr
Oh ogerpon go insert metal pipe boom here
Ye but tbh i really like hyper offensive
I made a HO Miraidon Team in #rental_teams ,And also some Rentals are focused on Hyper Offensive,Have a Try!
Thx i might have to ask around for smth
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1721643488:R>.
its ok,take your time learning
Also the thing is
If i get smth good i still need to learn how to play it
I got a great friend whos in masters
thats why the notes on rental team most of them have ways to Pilot it
heck if you wanna use my Miraidon team i would gladly teach you how to pilot it
I am saving some like the specs tapo
id suggest that or ice rider if you're just starting
Tapo?
You mean Pagos?
Ye
This looks good tbh might get it on my side besides my rain team
Ye tbh well made ngl
Sleep talk
i trust Lyco on Specs Pagos,I also mak Pagos Team but both of my Pagos Team are outdated
The fuck?
are you trolling or you just dumb
Lol
Do you really need scarf with aqua jet?
U normally wont
But its incase ig bc i use it
what is sleep talk doing there then
Scarf aqua jet so sucker punch and thunderclap fails
2 Words
FRICKING SPORE
Exactly
So youre using sleep talk with specs...
your stupidity is really showing isn't it
Don't bother torrent
specs lock you into a move
no no,As a Pagos Player i am offended in everyway
If he can't read the notes it's his problem
what am i watching
why not safety googles and calm mind
I hate pagos but it’s time to see the turtles power
War of pagos stan vs judge
who the fuck uses Goggles Pagos
okay lets uh
Chill out torrent
nobody but if you fear spore that much to use sleep talk with specs
shrekers pagos tends to run calm mind with covert cloak to stop snarl
why not have something with taunt
and fake out
I know, thats what I dont understand of sleep talk specs
pagos runs sleep talk to allow it to beat amoonguss without needing goggles
or a taunt user
thats the part he don't understand-
I dont understand how specs interact with sleep talk
One of the user's known moves, besides this move, is selected for use at random. Fails if the user is not asleep. The selected move does not have PP deducted from it, and can currently have 0 PP. This move cannot select Assist, Beak Blast, Belch, Bide, Blazing Torque, Celebrate, Chatter, Combat Torque, Copycat, Dynamax Cannon, Focus Punch, Hold Hands, Magical Torque, Me First, Metronome, Mimic, Mirror Move, Nature Power, Noxious Torque, Shell Trap, Sketch, Sleep Talk, Struggle, Uproar, Wicked Torque, or any two-turn move.
Normal
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Bypasses Protect-like moves.
Does not make contact.
Sleep is like the one way to slow pagos' momentum before it snowballs so sleep talk prevents that
but you are forcewd to switch out and use it if you have specs
Why not to use a different item like cover cloak
i give up man
And you have to switch out again to lock out of sleep talk
there is no understanding anything
@solid frigate i see what you mean tho
Once he wakes up
at least you understand
idk how to explain it
U get the power of specs even if ur asleep
lets move on to another topic
I understand your reasoning for sleep talk pagos too
this argument sucks
Ok but why is koraidon lame to use
i honestly just wanna end this nightmare
Like miradion
who said koraidon's lame to use?
Its brain dead
no its not
With specs you get locked into whatever you are gonna use, you fall asleep. You switch out, then switch in to use sleep talk, then switch out again once it wakes up so it stops failing sleep talk???
MOVE ON
“Omg im gonna spam my life away on this tera fire flamethrower of my koraidon 🤓 “
you dont understand it and its clearly not getting through to you
its not really braindead
If you want something Braindead CSR kek
go play on the ladder or smth
dude no. Run Flare Blitz and Flame Charge
specfically Showdown
Yeah I dont understand specs sleep talk
“Omg im gonna spam my only fire moves i get!!”
- who does that? 2. koraidon is one of the harder mons to run within the format
you get shut down by a toilet bird
I ment flare blitz whatever
you have to Manouver away from Pelipper
im leaving
Nope Nope i am not gonna say about this
“I can switch from this peliper and hope i dont die”
never wanna hear or read that again
Dont have to
thank god, cuz its not funny
Why was monke obsessed with it
like not even a atom size Funny
Ok birdie urshifu pfp 😂
Real
bro is braindead
Lol
with 2 friends infact
I'm just here using Chi Yu in that Server lol
dont dis on the shifu pfp
I need someone with terapogos for a pfp
i did before
I need 2 people lol
I got one in home
I should probably try and work on my team but I need to improve the EVs and change some members
is everything usable in double ubers?
I want shiny slither ogerpon and and a terapogos in a pfp 😢
not all
Its actually more Chaotic in Here
Mythicals are allowed and i have to fight full teams of Restricteds
6 Arceus?
mk
Lemme find a image ai or smth
you can do that
i just don't like using same 6 species cuz its just
Why-
no Team Dynamic,just Do the sam thing
I need to see how skeledirge and Zama work
i mean it does work,Skeledirge is basically doing what Ceruledge and CHandelure do
I need a 3 pokemon picture so bad but im no artist and i see a vision!!
Skeledirge is there for the setup mons and occasional dondozo
What happened to tera fairy skelly?
into doubles ubers i go
Power crept I guess
just don't die ;-;
The plot armor of others were to strong
Also toedscruel!!
Toedscruel is crippled by its ability
i dont want to play anymore
And quad ice weakness in a format with cir is not good
first play rough in a while and it fucking missed
yep Who tf in gamefreak thinks is the good idea for Mycellium Mighy
🇫
Well they gave it 100 base speed and then thought, wait, we can't have a fast spore user
Breloom:
Brute Bonnet:
Base 70 and base 55
“Here i go” 1 minute later “here i leave”
honestly its still faster than Amoonguss which is 30 speed
Yeah but they don't have rage powder and pollen puff
but eh it depends if you want fast Spore of anything honestly
i hate this dude, rain dance thundy is ruining my day
Uhh wdym
Amoongus
Rest in peace
Sash Smeargle
Yeah I'm saying brute bonnet and breloom don't have rage powder and pollen puff
a wild Ditto has Appeared!!
Another good thing about skeledirge is it can't be faked out
I wild copy and paste pokemon has appear
cool im gonna lose to rng
full para is smth alright
nope i barely won
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between SnhutCaser and KyuremSnow1234! Format: [Gen 9] Doubles Ubers; Date: Jul 22, 2024
That MISS LMAO
🤣
What even is this
doubles ubers cuz its the only way to "test" double restricted things without pinging people about it
Why is zacian's play rough so strong
Stab + 150 base attack stat
Doesn't it lose stab when tera
Coaching scarf Urshifu works well
It's not self-sufficient enough anymore lol
I did recommend coaching to drago
Annihilape also works because it's immune to fake out
At least the other doggo gets to shine a little more now
I hate that dog lol
special attacks (esp fire) worked well for me so far but take it with a grain of salt
the payout from Zacian just isn't the same when you consider the powerful Spread users we have
Firepon is just better
Urshifu works well unless it goes tera grass
Zama's Tera is always resistant to Water
Care explain? Not saying you're wrong, just that I'm a noob
Crit ignores defence boosts and it resists heavy slam and I think also body press
You don't resist Body Press lol
I'm gonna use skeledirge and Zama but I gotta watch out for rain
brother
coaching doesnt stop intimidate cycling
Substitute
Best way to use Zacian is either finding a position to click SD or to just damage trade better.
I mean you can Sub but what are you sacrificing on your moveset
I thought that a defiant coaching user would punish intim cycling?
Coaching
see but also im gonna click surging strikes into incin
If you're clicking Sub + Coaching you might as well not be interacting with your opp kek
Like you get a one-off anti-Intim since you start out at +1 might as well nuke a slot especially if you have Gambit/Urshifu
Yep
Morning Tofu
Or Night Tofu
I'm ill
What's
No do that
What
Hope you get better soon
Uh you were obsessed with skibidi toilet
rng
EVs not moves
Team looks incredibly passive
I think this just needs a full on restructuring lol
Like there is no clear identity on what it's trying to do
Ray also is mostly just a worse version of dragonite
That isn't true
Cause you're only seeing Rayquaza as an E-Speed bot, which it isn't
Air Lock is still a very good ability and Flying coverage is strong
That is about the only thing I can think going for Ray, correct me if I am wrong
DAscent and Air Lock is sufficient to separate it's identity from Dragonite. The ability to also stop one of the only two ways to mitigate Urshifu's Surging Strikes is also key.
and you don't use up a Tera just to have a Flying move lol
ESpeed is just a nice bonus it gets.
I'm not saying Rayquaza is good, but it's definitely not worse Dragonite
Ray is kinda a niche pick because you it’s not uncommon that you get ohko’d by some other restricted legendary mons
Also it doesn’t really stick around on the field when I was using it
It's not as self-sufficient as the other top Restricteds atm and it doesn't really have suitable support that enables it to a degree that can compete with or surpass the other Restricteds.
Most of the top team structures surrounding something like CIR/CSR/Terapagos can all be translated to one another as well
Others like Miraidon/Kyogre are more unique due to the conditions attached the them
Zama is in its own goodstuffs world
CSR can just be a delete button with specs
Personally I'm not a fan of Specs CSR since WG is a problem for it
Yeah
If there is no wg it is very good
Sucker punch just existing is a problem for it as well
If you Tera-Ghost you can live Sucker from Darkshifu
should i run urshifu water or chien pao on my team (rillaboom-incineroar-flutter-oger wellspring- farigiraf)
im thinking of swapping wellspring oger for hearthflame oger
wellspring just clicks for me
more then hearthflame does
if that makes any sense
Where's your restricted?
If you do swap wellspring for hearthflame I would probably put in water Urshifu to complete the grass fire water core
thanks will do
imperialkoloksalt has given 1 Gen Rep to happy_ditto
I mean if you just swap Ogerpon in general for Urshifu and you still have room for a restricted lol
and still complete FWG
do i HAVE to have a restricted
@mighty stump DAs?
if u want to lose every game no
im gonna throw hands
Wow

Its okay
get well soon
LOL
LOL
ohhh no man
i have no idea which restricted to use
if you dont care abt being “ the innovator “ which you shouldn’t there are string predetermined cores for many of them
ill start from scratch
Your team just sounds standard, so like any of the top Restricteds work fine
ill get a restricted and go from there
Being the innovator only works if you win your games
but but but cornerstone being high usage
yeah its beautiful
theres also 2 lacey art rares (!)
one full art one sir
Yea
stellar miracle has a lot of good pulls
kinda just wont it for miraidon + csr nerfing, along with any othe spatcker
it's a solid team
Im pretty new but i think it will work for now ngl i love terapogos when im not dying!!
@mighty stump wanna call while i do DA :>
it's a pretty beginner friendly team, just get up screens with grimmsnarl and use starstorm with terapagos in the right spots
Thx for the info
ogerpon_slitherwinged_boy has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
I agree with tofus bio
Does anyone know how many speed EV koraidon needed to outspeed caly s after flame charge ? trying to make bulky koraidon
Fighting/Dragon
Orichalcum Pulse
100/135/115/85/100/135
670
Psychic/Ghost
As One (Spectrier)
100/85/80/165/100/150
680
Calyrex
sub 100 investment might get u there
Well its max is 428 with the right nature of the caly
we play at level 50
Ah alright then
Oh ya 🗿
lmfao
ill check gimme a sec
you actually need 0EVs to achieve that
okok so @knotty mirage to outspeed it by 1pt @ 252 timid with is the most common speed stat for csr, you need an ENTIRE 4ev
4??!!!
wait no im dumb
Lol
you need 0 lmfao
How!!!
I read 232 as 222
you definitely want to outspeed stuff like Ogerpon at least
It already does
Mine has playrough 😏
Noted
stuck at workdge
I don't have swsh sadly
Who trade wooper shiny?
Dont uwu me
Are you playing sword or shield?
oh no does that matter
Sword has Kyogre
Manaphy
ohhh
Oh, no wait, it Shield, my bad
oh lets go
Sword having groudon??
Yes
I thought you were gonna tell me the tapus were split half and half I was gonna cry
Can anyone give me suggestions on a team that I am building
I feel like its almost there, but not quite
What format?
Reg G VCG
Got a paste?
yea
Ma bad
want me to DM?
You can send it here
oh okay
Minor thing 'just curious' question: but do atk stats (on special attackers) actually matter in the current format?
Only saw a farigiraf use foulplay 
Yes
I know I dont have any restricteds on my team
Foul play and whats it called
No, Foul Play uses the opponent’s attack stat.
Ye
I ment that hes smarter then me
these guys are useless
Its only if you care about reducing damage towards you from opposing Foul Play
😦
Unlike me
Alternatively there is some niche considerations with Tera Blast
Messi better
lmaoo
And sometimes if you use U-Turn on a choice’d SpAtker like Lando-I
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Just seems super minor and I don't have the time or resources to reset stuff like calyrex for 0a (because someone decided to not include it in the SV DLC? But did for the horses?)
From a first glance aside from Tinkaton/Cinderace
haha
Exactly
It’s like getting close to just wanting to be Rajan Bal’s Miraidon team
I thought it was in the game
lol this is actually my first team I have ever built
Expert cat
I just started VGC a few days ago and I'm so addicted now
lets goooo
That sounds fun :>
Nice
Im getting into it to
I want to do a little off meta team \
true
the meta is stupid kyogre with thunder
Having a thorough understandinng of the meta, current variations, how the pieces interact with one another
Yo what should be my 4th urshifu water move i cant think of anything other then close combat aqua jet and surging strikes
do I end it all now or later @mighty stump
U-Turn if choice’d, Protect if not
I have been reading some of the notes in rental teams posted in here to learn
Calyrex teams are my weakness
End it all now
aight thanks
Miradion tera electro drift. Koradion sets ul sun and goes. AGIAS!!! Calyrex came back and now uses trick room glacial lance!!!’ Then idk for some reason they let litten back! Bringing incinaroar!!!!!
Also one core truth of comp: your favourites will not work a lot of the time unless they have something going for them. None of that Karen quote stuff applies
i hate chosing a team bomboclat man
You just have to be prepared to run what’s good
I want to use my liked pokemon but i also gotta use whats good
insert pokemon theme music
and put in the work to understand how to make your non-meta picks work
Whats good is for a reason
If anything I heard people say you can try using 1 of your faves and try to make it work. If it doesn't, then it'll just have to take the boot TuT
I saw a charjabug once, it was quite funny :))
But I shush now
@mighty stump so my rillaboom has overgrow do you know how i can get it to have grassy surge
or do i have to catch another rilla
I need friends for competitive pokemon pls
Ability patches
going to make change to that team
how do i have to get that
Just tera and stuff
tera raids?
And buying
where can i buy abiity patches
From delibird i think
oh porto marinada auction?
Or trade for them. Or get them in the Item Printer
wheres the item printer
dlc2
DLC, league club room
got it
Ew reading
Calyrex Ice can just go max max adamant lol
It realy doesn’t need the extra Def investment
had literally 1 life and it was dragon went hmmm this team is so doable if its a mid tier legend
(zygarde)
I finna have to go to work 
STOP GOING TO WORK
I HAVE TO PAY BILLS
The auto-EVs on SD aren't reflective of VGC
As an FYI
Oh that feature ain't it?
Tofu
I have a shitty joke for you
do you know how to get a super accurate EV spread on the actual games? like some people spread the EVs all over the place, but all I know is ingame how to go up by 10. A bit tough to truly know how many I have put into my mon
Vitamins are +10 EVs
Feathers are +1 EV
so if I needed 116 ATK on that rilla you'd use
11 +Atk Vitamins (110)
6 +Atk Feathers (6)
mochi's are also 10 iirc-
I don’t like das because I’m poor 😡
I got nso for a year but only did the sv dex not the swsh dex
So I don’t have the charm
So it’s 1/300 for me
So it’s bad
Im losing the sucker punch mind game to the AI necrozma DA
OMG HES IN MY HEAD LMAOOO
https://pokepast.es/159561b287125d68 I feel like I need some more offensive pressure
Thoughts?
I mean once you set TR or just freely click Glacial Lance
You can swap Amoonguss for Ogerpon-Cornerstone or Hearthflame
That's the strongest 6 CIR team in the format IMO
also Booster Bolt is better than AV Bolt on these style of Ice Rider teams IMO, you need the offense under TR to actually get KO's
https://pokepast.es/9e994cb70732097b
This is my OTS of a very similar 6 (stole it from Fedecampo with a few changes), I don't think I've played a better feeling CIR team
does anyone want to play das
how must is fakeout pokemon in teams? im atm making koraidon team and i wonder i fi should include rillaboom or incine. i got last spot left: https://pokepast.es/480cc73c19e03362
i dont own raging bolt sadly
oh? what makes it must if i may ask?
doesnt miraidon just steam roll raging bolt with draco? 
should i use entei kyogre or miradion as my restricted
I mean it can, but you force Miraidon to lock into a Dragon move or an Electric move and win off that fact wjth Flutter or Raging Bolt respectively lol
or none of the above
Entei isn’t a Restricted
i see
isnt it
Restricteds are box legends
oh
Usually anyway.
You might as well just look at the common Miraidon teams and go from there since your initial sets are standard.
Bet you would say the same thing for Groudon too.
Easily
Lol
But you care less about the Miraidon MU with Groudon
Still applies to dealing with Pelipper/Kyogre.
There is absolutely 0 reason not to have RB on a sun team
except one: you dont own scarlet 
Then get one
saldy money doesnt grow in trees
I never advise according to the accessibility, I’m only going to say what’s the best option
its possible yeah, reason why i have trade offer plenty shinies if one of them catches people eyes
Yea it’s an old version I switched to booster bolt
@mighty stump i got a team with urshifu water ogerpon heartflame fluttermane rillaboom (5th pokemon idek yet) and farigiraf
i need to have a restricted
but i dont know which one
CIR
if you make rain team, switch ogerpon to water which is then kyogre team
I disagree with the statement of “every sun team should run Raging bolt”.
or CIR in that case for best option if you want run water shifu and heartflame in same team
?
Literally no sun team doesn’t run Raging Bolt
Current Sun team I’m running does not include Raging Bolt.
is ev training my urshifu to be as fast as possible and as strong physical attack stat good
hoi
if you run scarfshifu then yes
choice scarf?
depends on the set
If its Mystic Water thhen its mostly Bulky
Scarf and Sash are all max max min
ok
Then it’s a bad sun team
Yeah?
Lol
A better player with experience and accurate meta analysis
ngl i have a vision
he's probably top 10 best players in this server
tanky clodsire in trick room
Wow in this server so cool.
meow-?
Lol
in this sserver also has people who plays in worlds sooo
Im cooking bled clodsire in trick room with max attack and hp
I'm just saying there's no need to jump the gun on saying a team is bad.
omg



