#competitive_discussion

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molten oasis
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i didnt think they were that bad

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they're really that bad of teammates?

bold geode
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Zygarde was awful

jade dust
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Helping hand Draco meteor is not enough to take cress

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Maybe with tera dragon but who runs that

bold geode
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Point is Cress is not good

molten oasis
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you still get chunked

chrome knot
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@modern harbor do you have swsh...

modern harbor
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i like iron def protect because into incin body press threatens KO, so if they tera ghost taunt is available and if they switch there are good opportunities for iron defense either way

modern harbor
chrome knot
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and do you have the dlc

modern harbor
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yes

chrome knot
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omg can you help me do DAs in like 30mins

modern harbor
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which one?

chrome knot
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im currently doing whatever the fuck shows up until tapu fini shows up

knotty mirage
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Just wondering is reg H gonna be available next month ?

bold geode
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The Fini?

chrome knot
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yeah finito

nocturne holly
bold geode
knotty mirage
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Ah alright

bold geode
nocturne holly
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I think we’re getting the announcement early August tho which is nice

knotty mirage
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I might need to prepare my zam then hopefully it can be good parnter for caly s

foggy lodge
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Do you play sword or shield?

chrome knot
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AAHHH FAIRY END

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THERE IS POTENTIAL

junior patrol
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Say how come Indeede F is more used than Indeedee M

chrome knot
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FAT

nocturne holly
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fr

glad osprey
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Calyrex shadow is so lame

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how tf do i counter that thing

glad osprey
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Bless your soul

chrome knot
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see you next year when I find it

spiral ridge
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I want xerneas shiny,,

chrome knot
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FEAR NOT ! ! I saved the path.

craggy dagger
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scotty
i already have a path

spiral ridge
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I can’t start for xerneas cus I’m doing lunala still 😭

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And I think I have it aswell

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I’m sunk cost fallacy I can’t give up

chrome knot
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@craggy dagger help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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@modern harbor

craggy dagger
chrome knot
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WAAAAAAAAAA

modern harbor
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HIIIIII IM KINDA BUSY

chrome knot
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me when I explode and die on the spot

craggy dagger
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IM SORRYYYY

chrome knot
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0/2 my life over

craggy dagger
jade dust
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People are still using Dondozo

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It’s definitely good and it can carry a team if they don’t have its counters but it loses very hard to Amoonguss and haze

chrome knot
pallid hare
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well, its a Tapu

chrome knot
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technically the right answer

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im so happy that this is HALF the battle

jade dust
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You’re getting closer

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Next will be tapu bullu

chrome knot
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stop talking rn

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bc it WILL happen

molten oasis
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Koko’s a cool mom

chrome knot
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is there like a tierlist of starting mons

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I feel like im always picking the WRONG one

molten oasis
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At least they usually do

foggy lodge
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Clefairy is good

chrome knot
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alcremie also good

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alcremie just died actually

atomic portal
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@bold geode u remember ray and jay

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hes doing the same shit in league server now lol

dapper crag
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Move: Feint

If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

30

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

2

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

nocturne holly
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how useful is feint against wide guard zam

next stump
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depends what you're doing alongside the feint

bold geode
nocturne holly
nocturne holly
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Zama is a pretty bad mu for me

foggy lodge
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Yeah Zama is a bad MU against Caly Ice in general

balmy glen
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just win

molten oasis
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Real

chrome knot
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i hate DAs i think

daring pumice
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Is there a way to see moves based on power ? Like Stab+a item booster etc

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I don’t think the showdown calc has that

next stump
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like how much damage it will do?

daring pumice
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No just its base power, like if I wanna find the base power of a latios luster purge with soul dew and stab

next stump
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you can just do the math yourself

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i dont think there's really a calc that does that

chrome knot
rustic mountain
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good shiny

jade dust
chrome knot
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in DAs yes very good

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decorate is quite the fortunate move

jade dust
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Decorate is a really good move but alcremie has really bad stats

chrome knot
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in the context of Dynamax Adventures

jade dust
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Ah

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I would like of she was good cuz I love her design and her shiny

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And how there are a lot of possible combinations

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Aroma veil is a nice ability too, being immune to taunt and encore as a support

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And having a good SpcA

foggy lodge
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A Clefable is sweeping me rn help

modern harbor
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does final gambit count as an attack for sucker punch?

next stump
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yeah it should

chrome knot
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@modern harbor are you busy tomorrow @craggy dagger

craggy dagger
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...

chrome knot
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please…

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these are so boring alone i need company

craggy dagger
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not tomorrow but tuesday TwT-
been busy

chrome knot
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

craggy dagger
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ㅠㅠ

solid frigate
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?

mighty stump
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Lol

chrome knot
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mhm

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i made smores after getting off

rustic mountain
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gta watch something or listen to music for das otherwise harold also assuming u have animations turned off?

chrome knot
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uhh

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hahahahhaaaaaa

craggy dagger
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just play something else while you do DA's-
like watching a show or smth

chrome knot
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UHHHHH in what world do you deserve one rn

craggy dagger
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awe
no share

chrome knot
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you no helpyyyy

craggy dagger
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i cant-
im outside

finite vine
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Best tera type for Volcarona? (Singles)

modern harbor
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I CANT BEAT CALY CLEFAIRY

modern harbor
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i need a mf tutor

chrome knot
modern harbor
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wut

chrome knot
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yeah

craggy dagger
chrome knot
rustic mountain
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yea in settings

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its more for like story mode tho, cant do that for ladder haha

dreamy tusk
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Random question, but in y'all's experience, what's the best Nature for Charizard:
-Adamant
-Modest
OR
-Naive
I was curious since I was breeding

spiral ridge
mighty stump
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If you do solo

dapper crag
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Nature: Naive
Boosted

Speed

Lowered

Special Defence

rustic mountain
dreamy tusk
gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
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did i miss anything

jade dust
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What is a good team that uses Ogerpon?

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Water ogerpon preferably

violet kindle
modern harbor
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OMG I WON AGAINST A STUPID SMEARGLE CALY ICE

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i used follow me ogerpon to block a bunch of spore hehe, got an iron defense in somewhere and actually played well!!! 3-0

mighty stump
jade dust
mighty stump
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That ones better lol

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Rockpon = Firepon > Grasspon > Waterpon

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At best it barely checks Kyogre and is punished by Intim and usually is 2HKO’d by U-Turn from Scarfshifu

modern harbor
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fire pon better bc rock pon ugly :3

jade dust
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Rock doesn’t resist bug

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And all get punished by intimidate besides grass one

solid frigate
craggy dagger
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just gonna put this idea out there-
but the fusion moves (flare and bolt) double in base power when one is used before the other right…
so…
scarfed 252+ speed smeargle with one of the moves, while we run kyu-W/B…

dapper crag
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Move: Fusion Bolt

Power doubles if the last move used by any Pokemon this turn was Fusion Flare.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

solid frigate
rustic mountain
craggy dagger
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i know lyco will be overjoyed to learn that zekrom can actually do something without it missing a big power electric physical move or having one without detriment-
though i will say-
sash smeargle is prolly better so that you can still do support smeargle things

solid frigate
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I COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUCEMENT

craggy dagger
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meow-?

modern harbor
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is decorate received by follow me?

solid frigate
jade dust
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How to set electric terrain

modern harbor
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im tempted to make my fire pon bulkier but i dont know what it's meant to outspeed

jade dust
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But I like the offensive ogerpon build

modern harbor
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just 252 252? i always feel like im wasting stats then

jade dust
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Well in a lot of cases you do an even split in defenses. 252 HP and 128 Def 128 SpcD

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And nature on whatever defense is the lowest or if you are bringing intimidate then +SpcD

solid frigate
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Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 36 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Wood Hammer/Grasy Glide
  • Follow Me/ Swords Dance
  • Spiky Shield

@modern harbor If you Really Want Bulk on Hearthflame,then just use this Set

molten oasis
solid frigate
molten oasis
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you do not even split defenses on something like ogerpon @jade dust

solid frigate
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but i mean if you want Bulk on Ogerpon Hearthflame i guess no Choice but Wellspring

molten oasis
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you only do that for bulky supportive mons with balanced defenses and even then, you typically dont

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you tend to invest more into one stat to live certain hits

solid frigate
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yeah

jade dust
molten oasis
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yea but like

jade dust
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But in things like Amoonguss or Farigiraf you invest even

molten oasis
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"in a lot of cases you do an even split in defenses" is very very wrong

molten oasis
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farigiraf sure ik they're balaned evs sometiems but amoonguss is typically invested heavier on the physicl side

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to live things from like, chien pao

solid frigate
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Ogerpon is Different cuz its a Offensive Support like Rillaboom

jade dust
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Well if you have intimidate you can consider that in EVs investment

molten oasis
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ogerpon has a really unique role im very fond of

solid frigate
jade dust
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Honestly just cuz it learns follow me

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Not really that much of a support besides that

molten oasis
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yea, thats why

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it gets taunt and encore as well

dapper crag
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Ogerpon's moveset:
Physical Moves

Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Counter, Double Kick, Facade, False Swipe, Fling, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Horn Leech, Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Play Rough, Power Whip, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Rock Tomb, Seed Bomb, Slam, Solar Blade, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wood Hammer, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Charm, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Follow Me, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Spiky Shield, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Synthesis, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Ogerpon.

molten oasis
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helping hand

junior blade
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An anyone help me build a competitive team with my pokemons? I was playing only singles and i need some help

molten oasis
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we dont play a lot of signles here

jade dust
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But I know follow me is very good being a grass type cuz it can lure other grass attackers

junior blade
solid frigate
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oh wait nvm

molten oasis
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ah, go into rentals and look for some teams to use there

junior blade
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Nah nah like i dont mean singles cause doubles are the only competitive one

molten oasis
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i would not suggest building any teams yourself until you have a better understanding of the meta

junior blade
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Are hazards vialable in doubles?

solid frigate
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there is a perfect example ontop of not learning the easier way

molten oasis
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hazards are only good as byproducts

solid frigate
junior blade
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Alr good then cause i use glimmora lol

molten oasis
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setting them up manually is not good

solid frigate
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especially in this format is very Offensive

molten oasis
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well, in general they arent good

jade dust
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Which yes it’s true many learn it

molten oasis
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im naming supportive options

junior blade
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Alr, what would be better in doubles, Glowking+baxcalibur or pelliper+archaludon

molten oasis
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and yea it isnt anything special on cress, because theres better mons that use helping hand rn

molten oasis
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glowking sucks

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you can actually do kyogre archaludon

junior blade
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I dont really use legendarys

modern harbor
jade dust
molten oasis
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get over that immediately

junior blade
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Slowking galar

molten oasis
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if you want to play doubles you have to use legendaries

solid frigate
molten oasis
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get over that immediately

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its not a bad thing to "spam legendaries"

modern harbor
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yeah not gonna get anywhere without restricteds or at least stuff like ogerpon or urshifu

molten oasis
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in fact legendaries make the game more interesting imo

solid frigate
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Landorus Incrarnate Hype when

jade dust
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Oh yeah hazards are mainly a singles thing

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Doubles doesn’t matter much

junior blade
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Good to know

jade dust
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Sticky web and all that aren’t like

molten oasis
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i'd suggest a rental

jade dust
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Worth setting up

molten oasis
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sticky web is the only one i'd say would be worth manually setting up

jade dust
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Shuckle is way better in singles than doubles

molten oasis
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lowering speed is so valuable

junior blade
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Galvantula or glimmora

jade dust
molten oasis
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alright i give up

jade dust
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But it’s even better in singles

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But there isn’t any good sticky web user

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Not in this gen

junior blade
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Galvantula RAAAGHHH

molten oasis
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i dont have the energy to try to get you to run something good

jade dust
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Icy wind, tailwind and trick room are really the speed control ways in SV

junior blade
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I just realized that 4 of my pokemons in my main team are weak to ground

junior blade
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I actually had volca instead of sneasler but for now i am using sneasler

mighty stump
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This looks

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Pretty not great to be honest

solid frigate
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why another Terrain Extended Miraidon Again-

cyan smelt
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-# it's a singles team

solid frigate
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he said he wanna try doubles

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but tbh i'm done

I'm done with that

cyan smelt
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Stealth Rock in vgc?

jade dust
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This team looks fun

mighty stump
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This looks somehow worse

solid frigate
jade dust
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Lmfao I made this meme team, thinking how many wins I could get in ranked

molten oasis
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lol

azure ether
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although it's not that format yet, what are some fun-sounding double restricted pairings? my team is out of playoff contention in our local team league now so we might as well just have fun with our in-house practices.

molten oasis
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CSR Zama and CIR miraidon is all you need

mighty stump
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Fun sounding or meta

azure ether
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can be both, I guess

molten oasis
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uhm, zac kyogre is also a thing

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that may work

solid frigate
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Miraidon Ogre i do wanna test whe august come around

molten oasis
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back to zombies

solid frigate
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gl

jade dust
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Pincurchin is a meme

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Gotta love its mouth looks like butt cheeks

mighty stump
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CSR/Zama, Zama or ZacOgre, Mirai/CIR, Korai/Zacian, Terapagos/CSR, Dialga/CIR

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Groudon/Zacian, Lunala/Zama

azure ether
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ahh Groudon Zacian

mighty stump
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Kyogre/Rayquaza

azure ether
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it's Rinya Sun all over again

solid frigate
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honestly i would not question why MiraiOgre does not work

jade dust
mighty stump
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I’m not gonna point out why that combination works

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You can figure it out

jade dust
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Umm

solid frigate
azure ether
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would Ability Shield Kyogre make it so that Drizzle supercedes Air Lock

mighty stump
azure ether
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right

jade dust
mighty stump
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The point of Rayquaza is to essentially deal with Grass types and neutralise Sun matchups

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Lol

jade dust
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I know Wolfey but I didnt follow the scene in gen 6 and 7

solid frigate
jade dust
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I meant Sword

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Then I realized it was 8

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lmao

solid frigate
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you fucking dount

jade dust
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Well what was the setup?

jade dust
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I mean yes Rayquaza is flying but

solid frigate
jade dust
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How does it stop sun?

azure ether
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Zac deals with the fairies that Kor hates

mighty stump
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What does Air Lock do

molten oasis
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oh, ig like, korai can handle incin

jade dust
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Remove weather

molten oasis
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and steel types

mighty stump
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What does Sun do to Water moves

jade dust
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Wouldnt it remove rain too?

azure ether
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you don't lead Kyogre and Ray then

mighty stump
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Well if someone is switching in their Sun mon anyways, would you rather take half or neutral power

solid frigate
molten oasis
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probably a sun team because rain hinders the shit out of koraidon

solid frigate
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i mean fair lmao

molten oasis
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i'll explore that maybe

jade dust
molten oasis
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yea

mighty stump
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Yes

solid frigate
mighty stump
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Plus its not like Kyogre doesn’t hit hard without Rain

azure ether
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it's only a suggestion I made for our in-house. we just memeing around since we're out.

jade dust
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But air lock cant be overwritten right?

molten oasis
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yea, air lock disables weather effects

mighty stump
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Nope, unless Neutralising Gas or Gastro Acid lol

jade dust
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Like someone switching in cant put weather while rayquaza is on the field

mighty stump
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or Entrainment ro whatever

molten oasis
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my favorite tech

mighty stump
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Basically, yea

molten oasis
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entrainment to shut down airlock

molten oasis
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i believe the weather itself goes up but nothing gains the effects of it

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it doesnt remove the weather just kinda turns it off

dapper crag
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Ability: Air Lock

While this Pokemon is active, the effects of weather conditions are disabled.

jade dust
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Something I didn’t understand in gen 6 is that a lot of people ran both primal Kyoger and primal Groudon in the same team

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They do opposite things, why to use both if they nullify each other

solid frigate
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Weather Wars Babyeeeee

azure ether
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to nullify the other team's weather

solid frigate
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even you understand why

molten oasis
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Now thinking about it ig Zac and korai cover eachother decently

jade dust
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I know of weather war but, primordial sea and desolate land can’t be overwritten by hail or sandstorm

azure ether
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Zac might not want to tank the boosted Fire moves tho

molten oasis
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if I use it I’ll have to get a legit koraidon, yay

molten oasis
jade dust
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I understand using rayquaza and one of the primals but

solid frigate
jade dust
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That’s cuz rayquaza has delta stream which doesn’t clash as hard as both Kyoger and Groudon

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I would think more of Kyoger or Groudon and Xerneas

azure ether
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aight I'll build around KorZac then

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tera Fire Zac probably?

jade dust
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I have seen stellar

solid frigate
molten oasis
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uhm, if you dont like wisp sure

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i like water or dragon defensively, but also you can tera ground for good coverage or tera stellar

jade dust
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Tera electric air ballon shedinga when

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Mold breaker hits through wonder guard right?

azure ether
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yea I was thinking of dodging wisp and not having the sun turned against me

molten oasis
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Move will still hurt from like, chi yu in the sun for example

azure ether
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hmm I guess I'd have to play it like it's still a single restricted team then

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like a team with a Kor mode and Zac mode?

cyan smelt
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So caly s and clef is popular atp, how are people dealing with that?

jade dust
jade dust
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I had my wide guard users alive as much as possible while caly ice was doing damage

balmy glen
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if ur that scared of it just use tera normal gholdengo

jade dust
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They stall my trick room but then when when my trick room was about to end, I let my wide guard uses to get KO and got Amoonguss in

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Then protect with caly ice and tera normal Amoonguss

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And spore their caly shadow

cyan smelt
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Tr is not a good counter because clef can just use after you

jade dust
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Yeah but if you have Amoonguss, it’s slower

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You spore clef

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Clef has 35 speed and guss has 30

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Wide guard is your best friend against caly shadow, have an attacker that can survive draining kiss and a sash wide guard

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That way your force caly shadow to target you wide guard user

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My caly ice didn’t take much damage from draining kiss so I kept doing damage

molten oasis
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just try it out lol

violet kindle
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Hey ladies and gentlemen uh idk

solid frigate
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every time i saw A slither Wing Fan i have to make the Sierra Dawn Alt account joke lol

solid frigate
violet kindle
molten oasis
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okay? whats the paste

solid frigate
violet kindle
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I wanna use smth unique in a way

solid frigate
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like in what way unique

violet kindle
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Smth that is good but not common idk

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Smth very underrated

solid frigate
violet kindle
solid frigate
violet kindle
solid frigate
solid frigate
violet kindle
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I wanna try to get into the doubles. Its all people play my friends play comp and i wanna have a good team

gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
# violet kindle Thx!!

after sometime,you can build teams normally if you think you have a good grasp on the metagame

violet kindle
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Tbh all i know is miraidon go vroooom! Koradion go hsssss (with his fire) ice caly go brrrr and insert water splashes and go brrr on all pokemon while trick room

solid frigate
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ok thats funni

But there are more than just go brrr

violet kindle
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Oh ogerpon go insert metal pipe boom here

violet kindle
solid frigate
violet kindle
gentle cragBOT
solid frigate
violet kindle
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Also the thing is

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If i get smth good i still need to learn how to play it

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I got a great friend whos in masters

solid frigate
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heck if you wanna use my Miraidon team i would gladly teach you how to pilot it

violet kindle
molten oasis
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id suggest that or ice rider if you're just starting

solid frigate
violet kindle
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This looks good tbh might get it on my side besides my rain team

solid frigate
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Pagos is harder than Mirai and Ice Rider

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Lycos ah ok

violet kindle
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Ye tbh well made ngl

jade dust
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Sleep talk

solid frigate
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i trust Lyco on Specs Pagos,I also mak Pagos Team but both of my Pagos Team are outdated

jade dust
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The fuck?

solid frigate
violet kindle
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Lol

jade dust
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Do you really need scarf with aqua jet?

violet kindle
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But its incase ig bc i use it

jade dust
cyan smelt
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Scarf aqua jet so sucker punch and thunderclap fails

solid frigate
violet kindle
jade dust
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So youre using sleep talk with specs...

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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Don't bother torrent

jade dust
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specs lock you into a move

solid frigate
cyan smelt
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If he can't read the notes it's his problem

molten oasis
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what am i watching

jade dust
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why not safety googles and calm mind

violet kindle
violet kindle
solid frigate
molten oasis
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okay lets uh

cyan smelt
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Chill out torrent

jade dust
molten oasis
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shrekers pagos tends to run calm mind with covert cloak to stop snarl

jade dust
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why not have something with taunt

molten oasis
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and fake out

jade dust
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I know, thats what I dont understand of sleep talk specs

molten oasis
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pagos runs sleep talk to allow it to beat amoonguss without needing goggles

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or a taunt user

solid frigate
molten oasis
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im aware

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its a niche option that helps in the situation it gets put to sleep

jade dust
#

I dont understand how specs interact with sleep talk

dapper crag
#
Move: Sleep Talk

One of the user's known moves, besides this move, is selected for use at random. Fails if the user is not asleep. The selected move does not have PP deducted from it, and can currently have 0 PP. This move cannot select Assist, Beak Blast, Belch, Bide, Blazing Torque, Celebrate, Chatter, Combat Torque, Copycat, Dynamax Cannon, Focus Punch, Hold Hands, Magical Torque, Me First, Metronome, Mimic, Mirror Move, Nature Power, Noxious Torque, Shell Trap, Sketch, Sleep Talk, Struggle, Uproar, Wicked Torque, or any two-turn move.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

cyan smelt
#

Sleep is like the one way to slow pagos' momentum before it snowballs so sleep talk prevents that

jade dust
#

but you are forcewd to switch out and use it if you have specs

#

Why not to use a different item like cover cloak

violet kindle
#

He sleeps and is strong idk

molten oasis
#

i give up man

jade dust
#

And you have to switch out again to lock out of sleep talk

molten oasis
#

there is no understanding anything

violet kindle
#

@solid frigate i see what you mean tho

jade dust
#

Once he wakes up

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

idk how to explain it

violet kindle
molten oasis
#

lets move on to another topic

cyan smelt
#

I understand your reasoning for sleep talk pagos too

molten oasis
#

this argument sucks

violet kindle
#

Ok but why is koraidon lame to use

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

Like miradion

molten oasis
#

who said koraidon's lame to use?

violet kindle
molten oasis
#

no its not

jade dust
#

With specs you get locked into whatever you are gonna use, you fall asleep. You switch out, then switch in to use sleep talk, then switch out again once it wakes up so it stops failing sleep talk???

violet kindle
#

“Omg im gonna spam my life away on this tera fire flamethrower of my koraidon 🤓 “

molten oasis
#

you dont understand it and its clearly not getting through to you

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

go play on the ladder or smth

solid frigate
solid frigate
jade dust
#

Yeah I dont understand specs sleep talk

violet kindle
#

“Omg im gonna spam my only fire moves i get!!”

molten oasis
#

you get shut down by a toilet bird

violet kindle
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

im leaving

solid frigate
#

Nope Nope i am not gonna say about this

violet kindle
molten oasis
#

never wanna hear or read that again

violet kindle
#

Dont have to

molten oasis
#

thank god, cuz its not funny

cyan smelt
#

Why was monke obsessed with it

solid frigate
#

like not even a atom size Funny

violet kindle
#

Ok birdie urshifu pfp 😂

molten oasis
#

never has been never will

#

im matching with a friend

violet kindle
#

Real

solid frigate
violet kindle
molten oasis
#

with 2 friends infact

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

dont dis on the shifu pfp

violet kindle
#

I need someone with terapogos for a pfp

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

I need 2 people lol

violet kindle
cyan smelt
#

I should probably try and work on my team but I need to improve the EVs and change some members

molten oasis
violet kindle
#

I want shiny slither ogerpon and and a terapogos in a pfp 😢

solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

6 Arceus?

molten oasis
#

mk

violet kindle
#

Lemme find a image ai or smth

solid frigate
#

i just don't like using same 6 species cuz its just

Why-

#

no Team Dynamic,just Do the sam thing

cyan smelt
#

I need to see how skeledirge and Zama work

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

I need a 3 pokemon picture so bad but im no artist and i see a vision!!

cyan smelt
#

Skeledirge is there for the setup mons and occasional dondozo

violet kindle
molten oasis
#

into doubles ubers i go

cyan smelt
#

Power crept I guess

solid frigate
violet kindle
#

Also toedscruel!!

cyan smelt
#

Toedscruel is crippled by its ability

molten oasis
#

i dont want to play anymore

cyan smelt
#

And quad ice weakness in a format with cir is not good

molten oasis
#

first play rough in a while and it fucking missed

solid frigate
#

yep Who tf in gamefreak thinks is the good idea for Mycellium Mighy

cyan smelt
#

Well they gave it 100 base speed and then thought, wait, we can't have a fast spore user

cyan smelt
#

Base 70 and base 55

violet kindle
solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

Yeah but they don't have rage powder and pollen puff

solid frigate
#

but eh it depends if you want fast Spore of anything honestly

molten oasis
#

i hate this dude, rain dance thundy is ruining my day

violet kindle
solid frigate
opal trout
cyan smelt
#

Yeah I'm saying brute bonnet and breloom don't have rage powder and pollen puff

solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

Another good thing about skeledirge is it can't be faked out

violet kindle
molten oasis
#

cool im gonna lose to rng

#

full para is smth alright

#

nope i barely won

molten oasis
cyan smelt
#

Why is zacian's play rough so strong

opal trout
#

Stab + 150 base attack stat

cyan smelt
#

Doesn't it lose stab when tera

opal trout
#

No

#

Tbh I don’t know why people have just given up on Zacian

cyan smelt
#

Because intrepid sword only activates first time now

#

People can just intim cycle

opal trout
#

Coaching scarf Urshifu works well

mighty stump
#

It's not self-sufficient enough anymore lol

cyan smelt
#

I did recommend coaching to drago

#

Annihilape also works because it's immune to fake out

sweet swallow
#

At least the other doggo gets to shine a little more now

opal trout
#

I hate that dog lol

sweet swallow
#

special attacks (esp fire) worked well for me so far but take it with a grain of salt

mighty stump
#

the payout from Zacian just isn't the same when you consider the powerful Spread users we have

#

Firepon is just better

opal trout
mighty stump
#

Zama's Tera is always resistant to Water

sweet swallow
#

Care explain? Not saying you're wrong, just that I'm a noob

opal trout
mighty stump
#

You don't resist Body Press lol

opal trout
#

Rip

#

It’s still ok in rain

cyan smelt
#

I'm gonna use skeledirge and Zama but I gotta watch out for rain

molten oasis
#

coaching doesnt stop intimidate cycling

opal trout
#

Substitute

mighty stump
#

Best way to use Zacian is either finding a position to click SD or to just damage trade better.

#

I mean you can Sub but what are you sacrificing on your moveset

cyan smelt
#

I thought that a defiant coaching user would punish intim cycling?

molten oasis
#

i think for sub you sacrifice the SD spot

#

which, kinda sucks

opal trout
#

Coaching

molten oasis
mighty stump
#

If you're clicking Sub + Coaching you might as well not be interacting with your opp kek

#

Like you get a one-off anti-Intim since you start out at +1 might as well nuke a slot especially if you have Gambit/Urshifu

molten oasis
#

Yep

mighty stump
#

I'm ill

bold geode
#

What's

mighty stump
#

Dunno

#

It just happened last night

bold geode
#

No do that

bold geode
molten oasis
cyan smelt
#

Uh you were obsessed with skibidi toilet

bold geode
#

Oh

#

Yeah brainrot KekHands

timber falcon
#

what helps against ogerpon rocj

#

its giving me trouble

mighty stump
#

Oh just be better

#

Lol

#

Hope that helps

timber falcon
#

i cant find any suitable answers

mighty stump
#

Just go Scarf Urshifu lol

#

Feint Electabuzz

#

Easy

#

What is that Ting-Lu set oml

timber falcon
#

rng

mighty stump
#

EVs not moves

timber falcon
#

oh yeah i got no clue

#

kinda just made it

#

and called it a day

mighty stump
#

Team looks incredibly passive

#

I think this just needs a full on restructuring lol

#

Like there is no clear identity on what it's trying to do

opal trout
#

Ray also is mostly just a worse version of dragonite

mighty stump
#

That isn't true

#

Cause you're only seeing Rayquaza as an E-Speed bot, which it isn't

#

Air Lock is still a very good ability and Flying coverage is strong

opal trout
mighty stump
#

DAscent and Air Lock is sufficient to separate it's identity from Dragonite. The ability to also stop one of the only two ways to mitigate Urshifu's Surging Strikes is also key.

#

and you don't use up a Tera just to have a Flying move lol

#

ESpeed is just a nice bonus it gets.

#

I'm not saying Rayquaza is good, but it's definitely not worse Dragonite

opal trout
#

Ray is kinda a niche pick because you it’s not uncommon that you get ohko’d by some other restricted legendary mons

#

Also it doesn’t really stick around on the field when I was using it

mighty stump
#

It's not as self-sufficient as the other top Restricteds atm and it doesn't really have suitable support that enables it to a degree that can compete with or surpass the other Restricteds.

#

Most of the top team structures surrounding something like CIR/CSR/Terapagos can all be translated to one another as well

#

Others like Miraidon/Kyogre are more unique due to the conditions attached the them

#

Zama is in its own goodstuffs world

opal trout
#

CSR can just be a delete button with specs

mighty stump
#

Personally I'm not a fan of Specs CSR since WG is a problem for it

opal trout
#

Yeah

#

If there is no wg it is very good

#

Sucker punch just existing is a problem for it as well

mighty stump
#

If you Tera-Ghost you can live Sucker from Darkshifu

devout nebula
#

should i run urshifu water or chien pao on my team (rillaboom-incineroar-flutter-oger wellspring- farigiraf)

#

im thinking of swapping wellspring oger for hearthflame oger

#

wellspring just clicks for me

#

more then hearthflame does

#

if that makes any sense

mighty stump
#

Where's your restricted?

devout nebula
#

forgot

opal trout
gentle cragBOT
mighty stump
#

I mean if you just swap Ogerpon in general for Urshifu and you still have room for a restricted lol

#

and still complete FWG

devout nebula
#

do i HAVE to have a restricted

chrome knot
#

@mighty stump DAs?

chrome knot
mighty stump
#

I'm also ill

chrome knot
#

im gonna throw hands

mighty stump
#

Wow

chrome knot
mighty stump
#

Its okay

chrome knot
#

get well soon

mighty stump
#

They can't break pills anyways

#

So I'm ok

chrome knot
#

LOL

mighty stump
#

LOL

chrome knot
#

ohhh no man

devout nebula
mighty stump
#

That's usually where you start when building

#

I mean

chrome knot
#

if you dont care abt being “ the innovator “ which you shouldn’t there are string predetermined cores for many of them

devout nebula
#

ill start from scratch

mighty stump
#

Your team just sounds standard, so like any of the top Restricteds work fine

devout nebula
#

ill get a restricted and go from there

mighty stump
chrome knot
#

i win my games

#

kat won her challenge :3

mighty stump
#

dank

#

I wanna run Webs Galvantula for the memes I can already see it being terribad

chrome knot
#

gigabad

#

not worth testing bad

mighty stump
#

but but but content

#

Speaking of

#

Did you see the Galvantula card

chrome knot
#

but but but cornerstone being high usage

#

yeah its beautiful

#

theres also 2 lacey art rares (!)

#

one full art one sir

mighty stump
#

Yea

chrome knot
#

stellar miracle has a lot of good pulls

violet kindle
#

Hey guys and girls

#

Should i try to run this team it looks nice to try ngl

timber falcon
next stump
violet kindle
chrome knot
#

@mighty stump wanna call while i do DA :>

next stump
#

it's a pretty beginner friendly team, just get up screens with grimmsnarl and use starstorm with terapagos in the right spots

gentle cragBOT
violet kindle
#

I agree with tofus bio

knotty mirage
#

Does anyone know how many speed EV koraidon needed to outspeed caly s after flame charge ? trying to make bulky koraidon

dapper crag
#
Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon
Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

#
Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow
Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

chrome knot
#

sub 100 investment might get u there

violet kindle
chrome knot
#

we play at level 50

knotty mirage
violet kindle
chrome knot
#

lmfao

chrome knot
violet kindle
#

I need more friends

#

Who play competitive

#

Anyone

next stump
chrome knot
#

okok so @knotty mirage to outspeed it by 1pt @ 252 timid with is the most common speed stat for csr, you need an ENTIRE 4ev

chrome knot
#

wait no im dumb

violet kindle
#

Lol

chrome knot
#

you need 0 lmfao

violet kindle
#

How!!!

chrome knot
#

I read 232 as 222

next stump
#

you definitely want to outspeed stuff like Ogerpon at least

violet kindle
violet kindle
chrome knot
#

60 @ Jolly outspeeds pon

#

any dynamax adventure players 👉👈

next stump
#

stuck at workdge

knotty mirage
#

I don't have swsh sadly

cosmic crystal
#

Who trade wooper shiny?

violet kindle
chrome knot
#

WATER

#

WATER TYPE LEGEND AAAAAA THERES POTENTIAL

pallid hare
#

Are you playing sword or shield?

chrome knot
pallid hare
#

Sword has Kyogre

violet kindle
chrome knot
#

ohhh

pallid hare
#

Oh, no wait, it Shield, my bad

chrome knot
#

oh lets go

violet kindle
pallid hare
#

Yes

violet kindle
#

They just

#

Kyoger is blue

chrome knot
#

I thought you were gonna tell me the tapus were split half and half I was gonna cry

violet kindle
#

Shield is red

#

Do u like my pfp

glad osprey
#

Can anyone give me suggestions on a team that I am building

#

I feel like its almost there, but not quite

mighty stump
#

What format?

glad osprey
#

Reg G VCG

mighty stump
#

Got a paste?

glad osprey
#

yea

violet kindle
#

Ma bad

glad osprey
#

want me to DM?

mighty stump
#

You can send it here

glad osprey
#

oh okay

sweet swallow
#

Minor thing 'just curious' question: but do atk stats (on special attackers) actually matter in the current format?
Only saw a farigiraf use foulplay DerpCat

glad osprey
glad osprey
#

I know I dont have any restricteds on my team

violet kindle
#

Foul play and whats it called

mighty stump
violet kindle
#

I ment that hes smarter then me

chrome knot
#

these guys are useless

mighty stump
#

Its only if you care about reducing damage towards you from opposing Foul Play

glad osprey
#

😦

violet kindle
mighty stump
#

Alternatively there is some niche considerations with Tera Blast

violet kindle
glad osprey
mighty stump
#

And sometimes if you use U-Turn on a choice’d SpAtker like Lando-I

sweet swallow
mighty stump
sweet swallow
#

haha

mighty stump
#

It’s like getting close to just wanting to be Rajan Bal’s Miraidon team

violet kindle
#

I thought it was in the game

glad osprey
#

lol this is actually my first team I have ever built

glad osprey
#

I just started VGC a few days ago and I'm so addicted now

chrome knot
#

lets goooo

sweet swallow
violet kindle
glad osprey
#

I want to do a little off meta team \

mighty stump
#

I do have to say though

#

You have to know the meta

#

To do off-meta

glad osprey
#

true

violet kindle
#

I know the basic meta

#

Wanna hear it

glad osprey
#

the meta is stupid kyogre with thunder

mighty stump
#

Having a thorough understandinng of the meta, current variations, how the pieces interact with one another

devout nebula
#

Yo what should be my 4th urshifu water move i cant think of anything other then close combat aqua jet and surging strikes

chrome knot
#

do I end it all now or later @mighty stump

mighty stump
glad osprey
#

I have been reading some of the notes in rental teams posted in here to learn

#

Calyrex teams are my weakness

mighty stump
chrome knot
#

aight thanks

violet kindle
mighty stump
#

Also one core truth of comp: your favourites will not work a lot of the time unless they have something going for them. None of that Karen quote stuff applies

devout nebula
#

i hate chosing a team bomboclat man

mighty stump
#

You just have to be prepared to run what’s good

devout nebula
#

I want to use my liked pokemon but i also gotta use whats good

mighty stump
#

and put in the work to understand how to make your non-meta picks work

violet kindle
sweet swallow
#

I saw a charjabug once, it was quite funny :))

#

But I shush now

devout nebula
#

@mighty stump so my rillaboom has overgrow do you know how i can get it to have grassy surge

#

or do i have to catch another rilla

violet kindle
#

I need friends for competitive pokemon pls

glad osprey
#

going to make change to that team

devout nebula
violet kindle
devout nebula
#

tera raids?

violet kindle
#

And buying

devout nebula
#

where can i buy abiity patches

violet kindle
#

From delibird i think

devout nebula
#

in what place

#

messagoza?

chrome knot
#

you have to find them in raids

#

or academy ace or I think in the auction

devout nebula
#

oh porto marinada auction?

mighty stump
#

Or trade for them. Or get them in the Item Printer

devout nebula
#

wheres the item printer

chrome knot
#

dlc2

mighty stump
#

DLC, league club room

devout nebula
#

got it

chrome knot
glad osprey
#

pray for me

bold geode
chrome knot
#

play DAs with me.

mighty stump
#

It realy doesn’t need the extra Def investment

glad osprey
#

bet

#

i just clicked auto EV lol

chrome knot
#

had literally 1 life and it was dragon went hmmm this team is so doable if its a mid tier legend

#

(zygarde)

bold geode
chrome knot
#

STOP GOING TO WORK

bold geode
#

I HAVE TO PAY BILLS

chrome knot
#

banned from work

#

I also found Nihilego which is a really really cool one

mighty stump
#

As an FYI

bold geode
mighty stump
#

Not the correction

#

The base auto-fill

bold geode
#

Ah

#

Yeah that's not it lmao

chrome knot
#

try this :3

bold geode
#

Tofu
I have a shitty joke for you

chrome knot
glad osprey
chrome knot
#

Vitamins are +10 EVs
Feathers are +1 EV

#

so if I needed 116 ATK on that rilla you'd use
11 +Atk Vitamins (110)
6 +Atk Feathers (6)

craggy dagger
#

mochi's are also 10 iirc-

chrome knot
nocturne holly
#

I don’t like das because I’m poor 😡

#

I got nso for a year but only did the sv dex not the swsh dex

#

So I don’t have the charm
So it’s 1/300 for me
So it’s bad

chrome knot
#

Im losing the sucker punch mind game to the AI necrozma DA

#

OMG HES IN MY HEAD LMAOOO

nocturne holly
mighty stump
#

I mean once you set TR or just freely click Glacial Lance

shadow wind
#

Even outside.

#

People gotta prep for Glacial Lance.

next stump
#

That's the strongest 6 CIR team in the format IMO

#

also Booster Bolt is better than AV Bolt on these style of Ice Rider teams IMO, you need the offense under TR to actually get KO's

chrome knot
#

does anyone want to play das

zinc totem
mighty stump
#

Its not a must

#

Koraidon teams have to have Raging Bolt

zinc totem
#

i dont own raging bolt sadly

mighty stump
#

Then you can’t have a good Koraidon team

#

It’s one of the few “musts”

zinc totem
#

oh? what makes it must if i may ask?

mighty stump
#

Pelipper. Kyogre

#

Miraidon

zinc totem
#

doesnt miraidon just steam roll raging bolt with draco? Hmmm

devout nebula
#

should i use entei kyogre or miradion as my restricted

mighty stump
#

I mean it can, but you force Miraidon to lock into a Dragon move or an Electric move and win off that fact wjth Flutter or Raging Bolt respectively lol

devout nebula
#

or none of the above

mighty stump
#

Entei isn’t a Restricted

devout nebula
#

isnt it

mighty stump
#

Restricteds are box legends

devout nebula
#

oh

shadow wind
#

Usually anyway.

mighty stump
#

You cannot have a good Koraidon team without Raging Bolt

#

There is no substitute

devout nebula
#

what abt miraidon

#

can i just put that into my team

mighty stump
#

You might as well just look at the common Miraidon teams and go from there since your initial sets are standard.

shadow wind
mighty stump
#

Easily

#

Lol

#

But you care less about the Miraidon MU with Groudon

#

Still applies to dealing with Pelipper/Kyogre.

#

There is absolutely 0 reason not to have RB on a sun team

zinc totem
mighty stump
#

Then get one

zinc totem
#

saldy money doesnt grow in trees

devout nebula
#

trade for it

#

if thats possible

mighty stump
#

I never advise according to the accessibility, I’m only going to say what’s the best option

zinc totem
nocturne holly
devout nebula
#

@mighty stump i got a team with urshifu water ogerpon heartflame fluttermane rillaboom (5th pokemon idek yet) and farigiraf

#

i need to have a restricted

#

but i dont know which one

mighty stump
#

CIR

zinc totem
shadow wind
#

I disagree with the statement of “every sun team should run Raging bolt”.

zinc totem
#

or CIR in that case for best option if you want run water shifu and heartflame in same team

mighty stump
#

Literally no sun team doesn’t run Raging Bolt

shadow wind
#

Current Sun team I’m running does not include Raging Bolt.

devout nebula
#

is ev training my urshifu to be as fast as possible and as strong physical attack stat good

solid frigate
#

hoi

devout nebula
#

choice scarf?

solid frigate
devout nebula
#

ok

mighty stump
shadow wind
#

Yeah?

mighty stump
#

Lol

shadow wind
#

Who are you to say?

#

Seems like a pretty assumption statement.

mighty stump
#

A better player with experience and accurate meta analysis

devout nebula
#

ngl i have a vision

zinc totem
devout nebula
#

tanky clodsire in trick room

shadow wind
#

Wow in this server so cool.

craggy dagger
#

meow-?

mighty stump
#

Lol

zinc totem
devout nebula
#

Im cooking bled clodsire in trick room with max attack and hp

shadow wind
#

I'm just saying there's no need to jump the gun on saying a team is bad.

devout nebula
#

omg