competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

If arcnaine is in the game by the time home transfer is allowed the regional forms are allowed

[solid frigate]

yeah

but Incin it really just see if Gamefreak decided to bring back all the starters again

[mighty stump]

PSA that just because it isn't widely seen it can stil be an option due to having a history of solid performance

[solid frigate]

i kinda wanna see Lando's Usage on both forms

[modern harbor]

what kind of evs does farigiraf run

im planning on using mental herb i think

[torn parrot]

I beat the rank 8 guy, it was so intense

I fucked up like two times but he also fucked up like two times

And then my weezing survived at 1 hp and I won

[little plank]

Damn was hoping to climb to master ball tonight but have tornados.... and power is out

[solid frigate]

b03 1760 Glicko
Incarnate 8.01%
Therian 0.20%

b01 1760
Incarnate 5.07%
Therian 1.08%

looks fine

[solid frigate]

F,Plus take care

[little plank]

Appreciate it lol

[craggy dagger]

mrrrp?

[solid frigate]

The Weezing Main Protagonist Plot armour

[molten oasis]

Well

Even with that sometimes things work out for the player

[solid frigate]

it depends on what are they cooking honestly

[craggy dagger]

well lando was always a staple in vgc
Though now its used for special attacking

[solid frigate]

i did wanna use Landorus T before just,little bit hard to build

[molten oasis]

I thought lando t could be good for korai/groudon but then remembered clear amulet exists

So that idea went out the window

[craggy dagger]

lando T for right now isnt...
The best idea

[solid frigate]

Koraidon needs it but Groudon can run AV or Lorb

[craggy dagger]

plus sheer force ep/sandsear is too strong

[molten oasis]

I still actively think you should run CA on groudon

[craggy dagger]

groudon can compensate with howl scream tail next to it

[solid frigate]

OHKOs Zacian and wait does it OHKO Bolt-

[molten oasis]

Ik you guys have had success with AV groudon I just personally don’t agree with it

[molten oasis]

So can koraidon

[craggy dagger]

true

[solid frigate]

i used Lando Incarnate i should know this lol

[craggy dagger]

it should

[molten oasis]

Av bolt no

[craggy dagger]

ohko bolt thats not AV

[molten oasis]

Non av yes

[craggy dagger]

it'd be too broken if it could ohko AV bolt

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 150-176 (66.9 - 78.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yeah it does do good damage

[solid frigate]

i did not add Lorb btw

[craggy dagger]

most are scarfed anyways

[molten oasis]

Bolt needs a decent- that’s cute asf

[craggy dagger]

now at least

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161692093

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 195-229 (87 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[chrome knot]

ngl meant to post this replay

[molten oasis]

Bolt needs a decent chunk of spD to live ep

[solid frigate]

Bunni

[craggy dagger]

16th???????
what are you-
from the future?

[molten oasis]

Bunny was better

[foggy lodge]

CA is broken imo lol

Like talking about CA

[craggy dagger]

its not midnight yet

[foggy lodge]

Lowering stats has always been one of the main mechanics of VGC

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

Clear Amulet lets you just skip it

[molten oasis]

It’s, yea kind of a crazy item

[foggy lodge]

And items should come with kind of a drawback

[molten oasis]

How to ruin items, give ALL of them drawbacks

[solid frigate]

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Tera-Ground Iron Crown Tera Blast vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 144-173 (64.2 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The amount of Meme energy in here is just-

I need to do more Calc in Crown lel

[molten oasis]

Life orb and the choice items make sense

[foggy lodge]

AV for example doesn't let you use status moves or something like safety goggles can be useless in some matches

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

I mean not every item should have a drawback

But they shouldn't have a effect so strong

[molten oasis]

How do you give CA a drawback

[foggy lodge]

Like an AV maybe

[molten oasis]

Idk if that’s a good idea

[modern harbor]

is it possible to teach my farigiraf psychic noise without the dlc?

[craggy dagger]

heres some more meme energy as you called it
252 SpA Quark Drive Iron Crown Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 164 HP / 68 SpD Cinderace in Psychic Terrain: 144-169 (81.8 - 96%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

If you have the tm I believe you can

[modern harbor]

are tms tradeable?

[chrome knot]

yes

[modern harbor]

would someone kindly craft and trade me one? lol

[solid frigate]

196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 202-236 (97.5 - 114%) -- approx. 62.5% chance to OHKO

Yes it can do that.

[modern harbor]

oh sorry

[craggy dagger]

yeah thats belt quark
mines booster psychic

[solid frigate]

so Psychic Terrain Crown Set?

[craggy dagger]

yeah from reg F

crown psyspam

[solid frigate]

i just use mine from the Miraidon Team

[foggy lodge]

Which team are you using?

[solid frigate]

its in the rental teams

[foggy lodge]

Ah it's made to pick up kos?

I thought about cloak Crown lol

[solid frigate]

yeah it is.

Its so funny to see Iron Crown OHKOing Calyrex Ice

Psychic Noise for Amoonguss,Koraidon,Lefties Terapagos and Urshifu Rapid strike

[solid frigate]

cloak wasn't that Necessary when you have the giraffe imo

[foggy lodge]

Yeah makes sense

[solid frigate]

tho i guess for Snarl or E-Web it makes sense

But then again

GIRAFFE

[rustic mountain]

its fine, 1 mon can use it, it can be removed like any other item nd u can mitigate physical attackers thru stuff like wow and reflect or wo chien. if anything it jus proves how op intimidate was to begin with as an ability

it wasnt even that common until recently

[mighty stump]

Covert Cloak is a bigger offender

[foggy lodge]

rn i think it's kinda broken

Maybe because of the CA + Tera combo

[rustic mountain]

ur entitled to ur opinion i jus disagree

[foggy lodge]

Maybe without tera it wouldn't be so broken

[rustic mountain]

i mean i can see that also but again, def has counterplay. sucks to have the random cloak in bo1 screw up ur gameplan haha

[mighty stump]

Counterplay in Knock Off is;nt sufficient

[rustic mountain]

i mean i think offering alternatives to opt out of fake out and stat drops is fine as an item choice, i dont think knock off is the only counterplay. counterplay would be to have proper resists/mons that can threaten it or force tera nd then jus overpower it or outbulk it in a war of attrition. if ur letting something like csr get multiple cms and nasty plots up thats on the player

i dont find it personally to be too overpowering especially wen i know its there

annoying sure

[mighty stump]

You can't do that with CSR

and in some scenarios, Pagos

It limits the usual counterplay options that should be working against set-up

[molten oasis]

cloak and CA were very very strong new items

i like them, i wish a certain something could get to use them

[nocturne holly]

I thought ability shield was gonna be cooler

Really was used when walance was kinda popular

[molten oasis]

manual ev training: murdering stage 1 pokemon with a ice dragon

[solid frigate]

favourite Pastime

[molten oasis]

fr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156032969190944839/1262618602658463834/white-kyurem-legendary-pokemon.gif

ill have a new rental up soon

[solid frigate]

cool,mine's Finished so yeah good luck on yours

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-enemy-enemy-miraidon-pokemon-pokemkn-miraidon-gif-13362838895392728386

[rustic mountain]

i think for me its more an issue with the mon itself then the item

cloak and amulet werent that common until recently w/ restricteds being back. and because of that + tera i think people find that options can be limiting to play vs them but imo ppl always adjust and if it really was that overpowered both would be seeing much more top results and dominating the meta

[mighty stump]

Cloak is pretty key for non-restricted supporting mons as well.

[rustic mountain]

while csr is the best restricted i wouldnt say its running home with the format by any means with winning every irl tour

[rustic mountain]

i feel that but i dont think ppl were finding cloak torn as oppressive

[mighty stump]

CoCl Gholdengo pre-Reg G too

[molten oasis]

i like bulky cloak torn

[rustic mountain]

cocl?

[mighty stump]

Covert CLoak

[molten oasis]

covert cloak probably

[rustic mountain]

ohh lol never seen it referred to as that

[solid frigate]

only a few would say that lol

[bold geode]

Morning

[mighty stump]

morning

[jade dust]

Does sacred sword ignore burn?

Or damage is cut in half still

I know it ignores stat changes but burn?

[foggy lodge]

Is still cut in half

[dapper crag]

Move: Sacred Sword

Ignores the target's stat stage changes, including evasiveness.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[jade dust]

Ah ok so burn is still a good counter

What about stat drops?

From intimidate

[foggy lodge]

To itself like intimidate? No

[mighty stump]

Target's stat stage changes

[jade dust]

Ah alright

[torn parrot]

i love the way that weezing regigigas dumbs down battles

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161731814?p2

[jade dust]

Yeah regigigas is amazing when you turn his shitty ability off

I would like if slow start was only a speed drop, that would be way better

If it was only speed you could use him in trick room the first 5 turns

And run a hybrid team

[solid frigate]

deny the Incin fr

[torn parrot]

i agree
thats how it should be
it would match the name as well
just that would make him actually pretty great

[jade dust]

Yeah, he would still need a team build around him but he would be way better instead of being one of the worst legendaries

[solid frigate]

You could manipulate TR and Tailwind,Since TR is 5 Turns,You can make a Tailroom Team based no Regigigas

[jade dust]

Yeah I know but he would perfectly fit in a hybrid team

You use trick room first and then tailwind

[dapper crag]

Ability: Slow Start

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack and Speed are halved for 5 turns.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

it resets when switches out

[jade dust]

Yeah I know

That is still an annoyance

[solid frigate]

so it kinda just depends on placement

Its workable since Regigigas is quite tanky

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 486: Regigigas

Type

Normal

Abilities

Slow Start

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/160/110/80/110/100

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

yeah above average Bulk

[jade dust]

That would be his weakness you can say, he can’t switch out

So he would be powerful but not broken

[solid frigate]

its alright tho,like it does not matter that much

Weezing exists

[jade dust]

Yeah but it’s still a really bad designed ability

If it was only speed would be way better designed

[solid frigate]

eh i mean how players go around with it its still interesting to see

[jade dust]

Well the only real way is weezing

Or skill swap

[molten oasis]

what do we name whimsicott

correction

what do we name a male whimsicott

[torn parrot]

whimiscott

[molten oasis]

but i nicknamed the rest of my team already

therefore thats lame

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmm
If its Female i would always name her Eunie but Male idk

[molten oasis]

same thing happened when i asked about incin names

[jade dust]

I like how some very feminine looking mons are always female and whimsicott should be one of them

[molten oasis]

cuz my shiny marked one is female

[torn parrot]

nah nah

whimi scott

[molten oasis]

SCOTT

[solid frigate]

Name it SCOTT

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-screaming-yelling-scott-gopher-gif-18829122

[molten oasis]

we got Tao Ruby Poncho Azula Kuma and Scott

[jade dust]

Oh I had fun farming shinny raids in sword and shield. With the max raids you could manipulate it to get a guaranteed shinny, a legit one

[molten oasis]

i didn't know that

[solid frigate]

i love how thats the most normal name in this team

[molten oasis]

lol

you can probably guess all the mons in there although id rather you not

[solid frigate]

My Miraidon Team names are quite Bland

Miraidon:Iron Serpent(Showdown's is Metal Sonic)
Iron Crown:E-123 Omega
Whimsicott:Eunie
Farigiraf:N E C K
Landorus:Mor Ardain
Incineroar:VGC Menace

[molten oasis]

E-123 Omega is a VERY bland name

[jade dust]

It was a pain in the ass to do but every max raid had a seed, the max raids you created would reset every day. You used that seed on a discord bot and it would tell you in how many days you would get a guaranteed shiny. So you would then manually skip days in your switch system settings

[solid frigate]

tell me about it

Still Sonic based but like Still

i did named it Noble Blade before

but Tachyon Cutter is beam of Particles

[molten oasis]

now i have to get marks and shit

cuz i like when they all have titles

[solid frigate]

my Incin is the only one have title

(Which is not shiny) called Incineroar the Sociable

[molten oasis]

i have incin the Dozy

which doesnt match but whatever

[solid frigate]

i mean its still a mark so its fine

[jade dust]

Im having fun with this team

Now I only need to farm the tera ghost

[torn parrot]

Wait that’s yours?

[jade dust]

For incineroar

[jade dust]

Yes

[solid frigate]

idk what to name my Iron Boulder

[torn parrot]

Oomg iv seen that team on ladder

Maybe that was u

[solid frigate]

Grimmsnarl i named it Jotaro cuz of the G-Max Form
Wo-Chien i named it Sectonia cuz of Kirby Reference

[jade dust]

@molten oasis any other terra I should change? Besides ghost incineroar?

[molten oasis]

tera fire calyrex and give it tr for the love of god

[jade dust]

Maybe actually, what was your tag?

[molten oasis]

seed bomb is not good on it

[jade dust]

Instead of protect?

[molten oasis]

over seed bomb

[jade dust]

Oh

[solid frigate]

Replace Seed Bomb with TR

[molten oasis]

seed bomb sucks, you dont need it

[jade dust]

But that helps me 1 shoot Kyoger

Helping hand seed bomb

[torn parrot]

Hunbun

There’s a chance I could be mistaking it for another team tho

[molten oasis]

the fact you need helping hand is not a good sign

[solid frigate]

i mean your team really wants Raging Bolt-

[jade dust]

Maybe

[molten oasis]

to ohko probably not one of the bulkier ones

[jade dust]

What to switch tho

[molten oasis]

idk why you have chande and incin either

pelipper looks better over swampert

[solid frigate]

he said Chandlure for Koraidon

[jade dust]

I was losing to Zamasenta

[molten oasis]

yk peli helps with both

[jade dust]

That’s why chandelure

[solid frigate]

actually,We told him for few times and he just said no

[jade dust]

I had to fight a few Zamasentas today and I beat them all with chandelure

[jade dust]

Oh I know peli is better, but I just love Swampert

And I’m scared to give free rain to Urshifu

[molten oasis]

fair enough ig

okay you know how many teams do that already

its not a big deal tbh

[solid frigate]

#rental_teams message

If you want to use a Caly Ice Team,this is the one

[gentle crag]

throwdatahh (ID 762533079138566184)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Hey all, ThrowDat here with my first ever rental! Enjoy!
Name: IceHorse
Code: CVBTFC
Format: VGC 2024 Regulation G
Paste: http://pokebin.com/e60eedbe31155d7a
Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Qzuqj-d5HECHF_UAjsfIBr3xqr6AIAflR50Tekx9CQ/edit

Command triggered by morrispxg456. Message from · May 10, 2024, 9:08 AM

[jade dust]

Well not all

But I get what you mean

[molten oasis]

you have amoonguss, shifu hates amoonguss

[jade dust]

Yeah true lol

[solid frigate]

unless its goggles kek

[jade dust]

^

[molten oasis]

[jade dust]

So terra fire? Or water?

[molten oasis]

fire

[jade dust]

I was tempted for water cuz it helps against Kyoger

[molten oasis]

well ig its kinda up to preference but fire is the most common

[solid frigate]

but tbf,Throwdat's Caly Ice Team is a Good way to start knowing how to play Caly Ice

[molten oasis]

why do you hate kyogre so much

[jade dust]

But immunity to burn is nice

[molten oasis]

pelipper helps with kyogre too

[jade dust]

Fuck water spout

[solid frigate]

i rather immune to Burn then get fucked up by Miraidon

[molten oasis]

frfr

[jade dust]

Yeah that is fair

Grass is good too but

[solid frigate]

which Miraidon can already OHKO it but Tera Water makes it worse

[jade dust]

Then torkoal is even worse mu

I hate torkoals

[solid frigate]

why did you worry about Torkal-

when its only in Dawn Wings Necrozma Teams rn

[jade dust]

I have lost to a few already lmao

[molten oasis]

this swampert is such a hinder but ok

[solid frigate]

even Walking Wake looks better in this team than Swampert

[jade dust]

Alright so what tera peli

[molten oasis]

peli looks soo good but ig you're not changing it out so whatever

[molten oasis]

if you actually commit to it ghost grass or stellar depending on item

[jade dust]

Stellar? But isn’t stellar trash?

Besides terapagos

[solid frigate]

Ghost is more valuable Covert Peli kinda in the past

[cyan smelt]

Why are you trying to help when you're just talking to a brick wall

[solid frigate]

Single Strike Urshifu and Chien Pao would like to have a word with you

[molten oasis]

stellar is good on an offensive set

[solid frigate]

even Rapid Strike Shifu sometimes use it

[molten oasis]

sash or life orb mostly

[solid frigate]

but very minor

[jade dust]

I’m asking questions lol and I see their point, I was mainly using what I like, but I’m aware swampert isn’t the best wide guard user

[molten oasis]

yea its one of the worst ones

[solid frigate]

wide guard user?

Pelipper and Mienshao

[solid frigate]

honestly i am bored

[jade dust]

Alright swampert has some points in favor, nobody really expects it lmao

A lot of people don’t know it learns wide guard

[solid frigate]

i feel like your team is very based on b01 Closed Team sheets

Cuz b03 this team does not work at all

where is my sticker

[jade dust]

Yeah I only use this team in ranked play

What they can’t see what I have

They always taunt my cresselia but doesn’t work cuz mental herb

[cyan smelt]

There's no point in trying to help someone who won't listen to feedback or advice and just wants confirmation bias that their team is ok

[solid frigate]

fair

[jade dust]

I’m not trying to get confirmation lmao

[solid frigate]

also yeah this is gonna be my sticker for seeing crap teams

[jade dust]

I just said this team is fun

But there are blind spots in it like consistently dealing with Kyoger

[cyan smelt]

Fun if you like losing sure

[jade dust]

I’ve been winning cuz it’s closed

They don’t know what I’m running

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[jade dust]

This would be way harder in open format

I’m aware of that

[jade dust]

He is right on this

[cyan smelt]

Eq and a mon that is quad weak to ground and gets nerfed by rilla ≠ a winning team

[solid frigate]

ah yes funni

[molten oasis]

okay at least some of the things in CTS can be good, swampert is just kinda bad

[jade dust]

Rillaboom doesn’t like incineroar or glacial lance

[solid frigate]

yeah idk why i am here

[cyan smelt]

Also swampert blows up to rilla

[jade dust]

Yes

Or any grass

[solid frigate]

My reaction to someone who uses Swampert in the Competitive scene(OTOT used it as a Support as well)

[jade dust]

Water ground is very good defensively but it’s terrible against grass

Or freeze dry

[cyan smelt]

There's no point trying to help someone who relies on gimmicks to win

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-wood-hammer-pokemon-gif-7274090915577562669pp

[jade dust]

God bless

[solid frigate]

oh yeah Rillaboom also uses High Horsepower

so yeah Tera Fire ain't saving it

[jade dust]

True

Should I terra grass?

[solid frigate]

better idea,Scrap that idea entirely

[molten oasis]

pov fluttermane

[jade dust]

Lol, is swampert just not good in restricted format or just in general

[solid frigate]

in general.

[jade dust]

What happened with water ground being one of the best types

[solid frigate]

its good on playthrough does not mean its good in competitve

[molten oasis]

it doesnt save it

[solid frigate]

like at all

[molten oasis]

tinkaton and mawile have fairy steel, the best typing in the game

they both suck

[jade dust]

Yeah true

Swampert has good atk tho

And decent bulk

[molten oasis]

not really

[jade dust]

It’s just slow

[solid frigate]

and then there is Ogerpon Water
Nukes Swampert if you are tera fire or water ground.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 260: Swampert

Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

thats a very mediocre attack stat

[solid frigate]

in this meta game its kinda not good

[molten oasis]

it wouldn't be good in an early format

[solid frigate]

like Incineroar is good in Attack stat as a support

but Swampert you built is meant to be an attacker

So its mediocre

[jade dust]

Isn’t it build to be a tank? With 100 hp and 90 defenses?

[dapper crag]

Swampert's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Bide, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Darkest Lariat, Dig, Dive, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, Headbutt, High Horsepower, Ice Ball, Ice Punch, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Outrage, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mirror Coat, Mud Bomb, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Round, Scald, Sludge, Sludge Wave, Snore, Surf, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Attract, Barrier, Bulk Up, Captivate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Foresight, Growl, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Supersonic, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Swampert.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

yours isn't

Quake,Liquidation and Rock Slide and Life Orb

Thats an Attack set and damp does not really have a niche unless its against Explosion which does not appear that much

Rather go for Torrent for more attack in Liquidation

[dapper crag]

Swampert's moveset:

Physical Moves

Avalanche, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Hard Press, High Horsepower, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Liquidation, Low Kick, Outrage, Poison Jab, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Tackle, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Earth Power, Focus Blast, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mirror Coat, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Sludge, Sludge Wave, Surf, Tera Blast, Uproar, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Amnesia, Bulk Up, Curse, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Supersonic, Wide Guard, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Swampert.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

if it got scald i could see it being a decent support but it doesnt

[jade dust]

Yeah swampert doesn’t have a good ability

[molten oasis]

damp is garbage

[solid frigate]

i rather use Torrent than damp

[jade dust]

So like blastoise? That targets use torrent?

Than rain dish

[solid frigate]

drago the worst part is that his swampert is Attacker set,and swampert can be a support with icy wind and mud shot but thats about it

[solid frigate]

at least rain dish is good in rain and in this meta rain teams are everywhere so rain dish can be a niche

[jade dust]

Yeah I wanted swampert to do damage while giving me wide guard

[solid frigate]

P E L I P P E R Does that already

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 279: Pelipper

Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/100/95/70/65

Total

440

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

sure its stat is worse but the ability is a life saver

[jade dust]

I mean those attacks suck but water attacks in rain are good as well as accurate hurricane

[solid frigate]

Weather Ball

[jade dust]

So then pelipper deals with Zamasenta really?

I know it destroys torkoal which is one of my enemies

And raging bolt to check Kyoger right?

[molten oasis]

it resists its stabs and you hit it decently hard

[solid frigate]

and it pairs with Sash so Pelipper can guaranteed survive Miraidon at least once hit

[jade dust]

Wait, but if I’m gonna use fire caly, wouldn’t that make it explode to any water attack? Caly can take some super effective hits with that great bulk but fire in rain is a death sentence

Specially when I can’t protect against Urshifu

[solid frigate]

it does not matter when Raging Bolt is literally available in your team

[jade dust]

Oh yeah, thunder claps

[jade dust]

Something I don’t like of this team is that Calyrex is the trick room setter, and doesn’t have anything against taunt or fake out

[solid frigate]

the first point kinda applies to you as well before you adding TR into Caly Ice replacing Seed Bomb

[jade dust]

Yeah, in my team cresselia is exposed to fake out that are faster than incineroar, but when she gets take out, I just use trick room next turn

[solid frigate]

exactly thats why Fari exists

[jade dust]

Or lead caly cresselia to bait them to fake out caly

But why is seed bomb bad? It’s an accurate 80 power move

[torn parrot]

I DID IT

i did one final push

poggy woggy

over the threeshold

[jade dust]

69%

Sexy

[solid frigate]

LETS GOOOOO

TOP 100

[torn parrot]

YYYYYESSS!!!

AAAAAA

[jade dust]

Good job girl, congrats @torn parrot

[torn parrot]

thank you!!!!

[jade dust]

What team are you using?

[solid frigate]

not worth it when Ice and Ground are the most perfect Offensive Coverage

[jade dust]

Except against water

But I get the point

[solid frigate]

Ground is neutral against Water offensively

[jade dust]

Hits for neutral at least

[solid frigate]

Thats the Point.

[jade dust]

So that’s why mamoswine was good

[solid frigate]

you don't have to hit things for super effective everytime

[jade dust]

Cuz very good offensive types

Yeah but just Kyoger is an annoyance to deal with without a powerful effective hit

[torn parrot]

using this team my friend and I made
he originally thought of the idea of zacian and weezing

[jade dust]

She believes in Regigigas

I respect that

[torn parrot]

i love regi so much i swear

using him made me love him

[solid frigate]

Deja vu-

[jade dust]

I love Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

quaquaval is the worst designed starter

[solid frigate]

rest in peace for the D U C K

First Evo looks nice and Posh

[jade dust]

I mean it has moxie and a personal move that boosts speed

On paper that is pretty good

With clear amulet it should be good

[molten oasis]

no just its design

ugly mf

[jade dust]

Ah yes

It’s supposed to be a peacock

But it’s ugly as fuck

When peacocks are beautiful

[balmy glen]

then just attack ezpz

[solid frigate]

keanu speaking facts

[jade dust]

Lol I guess so

Also incineroar is up as fuck

I hate how good it is

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dancing-music-deal-with-it-meloetta-gif-17858141

[dapper crag]

Fire, Ice

Hits for 0.5x

Fire, Water

Hits for 1x

Dark, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dragon, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

honestly,its not bad at all

[molten oasis]

Kyurem also gets around both of those resistances with earth power and freeze dry

[solid frigate]

yeah screw Dragon Moves

We have Freeze Dry

[molten oasis]

Well you don’t need them we have blizzard

Water dragon don’t like freeze dry fire dragon don’t like earth power

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Kyurem white are prime examples of fuck Dragon Stab

[solid frigate]

and Wellspring Pon as well so yeah

[jade dust]

Only 2 types resist it but being only effective on itself isn’t good

Also water grass is a good type combo however it doesn’t hit a lot for effective since grass and water share 2 of the three types they hit effectively

[modern harbor]

bro how does pelipper do almost half to zama w/ weather ball lmao

also i went from using a shit team to meta and now i cant win

[mighty stump]

You probably have poor fundamentals since you didn't start out with a proper team, therefore proper decision making processes weren't learned

[modern harbor]

yeah idk how to play

[mighty stump]

You can either increaes your number of games to try and hammer in good habits or just play a few, focused gmaes and do some reviews

Or also have someone else review your plays so you know what the "correct" plays are

[modern harbor]

that would be nice but i dont really know who would do that for me

[mighty stump]

This channel

Lol

[modern harbor]

o

ig i should probably play showdown then right

[mighty stump]

I cannot speak for the quality of the advice from other players but at least comp helpers/some recognised players here will be able to steer you in the right direction.

P much

Other things to do that don't actively involve playing is the just watch games from tournaments

Particularly those from Regionals that have commentary with them

[modern harbor]

most of the time im just appalled at how slow urshifu is lol

[mighty stump]

And also to try and understand why those players are making the decisions they are making

[mighty stump]

What's your set lol

[modern harbor]

max speed timid im p sure

[mighty stump]

Timid? You mean Jolly?

[modern harbor]

wait i forgor if timid or jolly is the one

yea probably

[mighty stump]

Sash or Scarf?

[modern harbor]

mystic

[mighty stump]

What's your team?

[modern harbor]

zama, flutter, chien pao, urshifu, farigiraf, torn

[mighty stump]

I don't see anyone taking up Scarf on that team if you want to make the switch lol

But you have 2 forms of Speed control on that team, so it depends on your preference.

Unless you're Sash I personally prefer a bit of Bulk on slower Urshifus

[modern harbor]

i have 92hp i thinn

[mighty stump]

Since you're never really outspeeding a lot of the metagame

Whats 92 HP for?

[modern harbor]

i think it was to live spectrier astral barrage

i forgot

[mighty stump]

Well you live unboosted AB naturally, 3/4 chance to live Spell Tag, and 1/4 chance to live Life Orb so it isn't that

[jade dust]

I mean a lot of it just comes with experience and reading your opponents

[modern harbor]

its urshifu rapid tho

p sure its not naturally living ab

[mighty stump]

It's not reading though lol

252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 151-178 (86.2 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

You naturally live even Modest at 1/8, and guaranteed on Timid.

[mighty stump]

There are very clear habits that need to be built up and learned even with "experience". You can't just blindly play games and expect to become a better player.

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[mighty stump]

If you can't explain what you're doing/why you're doing it, then you don't really know what you're doing and definitely shouldn't be giving advice.

Real reads aren't even necessary to be a good player

Most of it is just covering options

[jade dust]

Yeah I know. For example I switch to incineroar and I always expect them to protect, so I use that turn to use a damage boost or heal or to switch in my sweeper

Because it’s how most players react to the threat of fake out

[mighty stump]

But do you consider the consequences of not clicking Fake Out?

With any play there's pros and cons.

[modern harbor]

a lot of the time i just dont know what shit is gonna do

[mighty stump]

Then you have to take the time to find out

Munchstats/Pikalytics would be able to give you an idea of at least statistically likely sets for Pokemon to run

The rest would just be observation in how they function.

Putting 2 and 2 together should give you most of the information necessary to know what to expect

Aside from that, experience from playing more

[charred saddle]

hey tofu, indomie is damn good

[modern harbor]

well i mean i know what a lot of the main stuff does but then i will run into some weird shit and have no clue

then i get swept by like tera flying booster energy slither wing

[mighty stump]

Check it against the common sets, consider whether or not it's something to expect in the future or if it's just a weird one off: this is something you can just ask

So something like Tera-Flying BE Slither Wing is not something to be worried about

Another thing would then is to also consider what you could have done in those turns to potentially scout out information as well seeing as you're not playing OTS.

Which comes back to fundamental habits/board state understanding

[jade dust]

Well let me tell you an anecdote, I lead Cresselia and incineroar against a Miraidon and flutter mate. I saw he had Farigarf when in the team show, so I terra electric my cresselia and trick room, while I parting shot incineroar. He switched in farigarf as I expected, and used terra electric drill to try to 1 shot my cresselia, but she resisted it and I got my trick room up, and got my caly ice in from the parting shot

[mighty stump]

You get punished by TE VSwitch into Incineroar.

[jade dust]

I mean not a lot, if my incineroar gets KO I still get my Calyrex in clean

And take full advantage of trick room

I still win in that situation

[lofty tartan]

No matter what you say to him, Tofu, he's just going to tell you he wins.

[mighty stump]

VSwitch + Farig switch-in + depending on what comes in after is a different board state after you lost resources lol

[lofty tartan]

This is the literal definition of talking to a wall.

[mighty stump]

This in general applies to a large number of people hence I don't see the point in going 1-for-1 plays

[jade dust]

Sometimes getting one of your mons KO is beneficial

[mighty stump]

Ok, good for you

[lofty tartan]

And grass is green

[mighty stump]

I'm gonna go back to work

[modern harbor]

bicker bicker yap yap

[jade dust]

And in that case doing fake out would archive nothing anyway

So me clicking it didn’t help either with the possibility farigarf switch in

[lofty tartan]

Fake Out would stop the VSwitch.

It's not a hard switch, it's a pivot move.

[jade dust]

If he switches in farigarf?

[lofty tartan]

If he VOLT SWITCHES into Farigiraf.

[jade dust]

No

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[jade dust]

He switched flutter mate

Into farigarf

[mighty stump]

You missed the point. I'm literally just saying irregardless of the anecdote you can't freely expect Protects into FO. It's contextual.

[modern harbor]

why are sneasler and revavroom on my screen in ranked battles

[mighty stump]

Hence it's a consideration every time.

[lofty tartan]

Low ladder

[modern harbor]

im probably going to get fucked bc i dont know what either do

[charred saddle]

ngl sneasler is quite annoying to play with. unburden is annoying

[mighty stump]

Sneasler is just Unburden + Fake Out/Dire Claw/CC/Protect.

[charred saddle]

and idk what revacroom can fucking do kek

[mighty stump]

Revavroom is just a really bad Overcoat mon

[lofty tartan]

^

[modern harbor]

it was normal gem fake out and idek

[lofty tartan]

Yeah consumes Normal Gem and activates Unburden.

[jade dust]

Yeah I know, it’s anecdotal but in Pokémon there are a lot of 50/50s and reading your opponent’s action

[charred saddle]

last time i saw sneasler it was grassy seed rilla lead

[mighty stump]

Again, it's not always 50/50s and reading.

It's not as many as a lot of players think.

There is very clear logical approaches most of the time lol

[modern harbor]

does setting rain take away proto boost

[jade dust]

Really? In every match I play there is a bunch of 50/50 and reads

[charred saddle]

no if it uses booster energy

[mighty stump]

It does unless it's one that's triggered via Booster Energy.

[lofty tartan]

More often than not, going for reads gets me punished because I assume my opponents know what they're doing, and they're just clicking buttons any way.

[mighty stump]

Then you're misunderstanding 50/50s and reads.

[lofty tartan]

Tofu everything is a 50/50. Either it hits or it doesn't

[mighty stump]

I'm never in that many situations where I have to call a 50/50 mindgame or soul-read my opp every game

[modern harbor]

real i love gambling

[charred saddle]

if ur counting ur move can only hit both side of opp and its 50/50 then its more of 33/33/33 (?) since u can technically hit ur own mon

[lofty tartan]

That was not at all serious.

[mighty stump]

That cannot be attributed to an error in logic at some point pre-post or during the match

[jade dust]

So if they have a wide guard user in the field and I don’t click glacial lance expecting wide guard, isn’t that a read or 50/50?

There is the possibility they don’t click wide guard but it’s likely they do

[lofty tartan]

It's not just a 50/50 because you have two options.

[mighty stump]

No, that's just a logical connection lol

[lofty tartan]

That's not at all how that works.

[mighty stump]

Plus, with WG, you can click Spread moves anyways to force a pin on the opponent

So logically, not clicking the Spread mvoe isn't always the correct play either.

Since you're punishing no-WG, and taking advantage of a dead-slot if WG

[jade dust]

The safer move is still to use healing hand high horsepower

[mighty stump]

Ok, let me know how well that plays out when its Pelipper + Lando and you HH a Flying-type

[modern harbor]

i think ur logic is on some tripping balls shit

[lofty tartan]

Definitely not when they switch in Rillaboom onto the only thing you can target with HH

[jade dust]

Well obviously not into flying types

[modern harbor]

i think not everything is a prediction and rather you have multiple options every turn each with pros and cons and different outcomes

[lofty tartan]

He eats HH High Horsepower every day of the week

Literally just had this situation come up while playing Caly-I in hard Trick Room. Helping Hand High Horsepower was not the play.

Like the exact scenario - WG Pelipper, Caly-S and Rillaboom in back.

[jade dust]

Ok then what’s the option? If they click WG every time my trick room is gonna end, and then they can focus fire

[lofty tartan]

Depends on the board state.

It's not so cut and dry, black and white

[jade dust]

Also even if Rillaboom resist it, it’s gonna hurt a lot with helping hand and if I have +1 or +2 atk from getting a KO before

[mighty stump]

Big if true

[lofty tartan]

That's IF you got a KO before they switch Rillaboom into your High Horsepower

[mighty stump]

I haven't gotten to say that in so long

[lofty tartan]

Just assuming you got a KO to craft a better situation for you is not exactly theorycrafting

[modern harbor]

proving the point that it depends on the game state

[jade dust]

Yeah it does

I never said it didn’t

[mighty stump]

Correct, and there is a hierarcy to the options available from best to worst

[lofty tartan]

Literally just told you I clicked Helping Hand High Horsepower into a switched RIllaboom and he ate it like nothing and you're still like "nah I'm fine."

[modern harbor]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Just... the level of disconnect here is ludicrous.

[balmy glen]

didnt read above but nah id win

[lofty tartan]

^

[modern harbor]

i think part of my not winning games was accidentally adamant zama and modest fari xd

[jade dust]

Alright then the opponent has a win button in clicking wide guard every time

[lofty tartan]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Helping Hand High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rillaboom: 58-68 (28 - 32.8%) -- 91.7% chance to 4HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[mighty stump]

Do you know Gio's OTS

[lofty tartan]

Like... I just...

[balmy glen]

na i didnt go to the local

[mighty stump]

Darn

Guess ill DM him or something

[modern harbor]

if the opponent has a win button by a certain play and ur only option is a move that probably wont do much anyways i dont think the game is looking good atp

[balmy glen]

he wouldnt share going into worlds prob ngl

[charred saddle]

snorlax going to worlds?

[mighty stump]

He's bringing Snorlax to Worlds?

[lofty tartan]

Anyway this has been a fun jaunt but back to exercising. Gotta work the body as well as the mind

[modern harbor]

im going to leep

[charred saddle]

oo fhats nice

[modern harbor]

leepy

[balmy glen]

anything he tests in our locals could be used going into worlds so ye

[mighty stump]

Oh

Interesting

I'm kinda surprised

[modern harbor]

i think id win more if i hooked my game up to a goldfish

[mighty stump]

Even I know my favourite isn't exactly an optimal option

[charred saddle]

fatmon stronk

but not stronk enough

[mighty stump]

fr

[balmy glen]

i mean its pretty solid

he was prob on stream if u wanna go through it all

[mighty stump]

Might do

Where was it streamed?

[mighty stump]

I mean, it's solid, but doesn't do enough output wise.

[charred saddle]

btw wanna ask something

since lately i saw lots of offensive raging bolt with booster energy, with LO putting out similar results but with 10% instead of restrictions, is it a worse consideration or is it just a choice

[mighty stump]

1/10 recoil on a high HP mon kinda cuts your longevity

Particularly when you don't always plan to leave the field

[charred saddle]

icic, its just that sometimes clicking draco and then not leaving the field feels weird to me sometimes and i might want to keep the damage output

[mighty stump]

Pros/Cons, LO means you can save your damage for later

[mighty stump]

DPulse

If you're clicking Draco though it just means you're expecting to swing the game and the rest is just bonus damage output

[charred saddle]

hmm idk if dpulse does enough to certain mons tho

oh that might be true

you WHAT

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2161878903

im back playing a single game and im fucking stumped

[little plank]

Lmao I just lost to my own medicine. I had the answer and didn't bring it with me. Defense boosted dondozo.

I had raging bolt to eat that dondozo up sitting in the back....

Brought rillaboom instead lmao

Didn't help that he was parad for 12 turns and not once did he get full parad. 🤔

[mighty stump]

Ok

From what I'm seeing

He's running Curselax

But with Tera Poison

I assume he doesn't want to the Ghost-typing to keep being able to click Curse

[solid frigate]

There's a thing called Raging Bolt-

[chrome knot]

ur in vgc chatroom on showdown

[solid frigate]

yep explains why

[torn parrot]

these look like singles strats

cus raging bolt cant swap into a close combat

[solid frigate]

i mean,why bother

When Raging Bolt kinda does that for you

its just like making a grilled cheese sandwich but adding extra stuff

[torn parrot]

oh well, theres also the matter of the dark one i think

[solid frigate]

fair

Tho whimsy superiority this time around

[torn parrot]

i love that

now im hungry

[solid frigate]

nothing goes wrong with plain and simple Grilled Cheese lol

[chrome knot]

brisket in grilled cheese goes hard

[solid frigate]

seperate?

cuz thats just goes so damn hard

[mighty stump]

If something other than cheese is in a grilled cheese, it's not longer a grilled cheese but a melt

[little plank]

I have had a rough morning on cart lol

went from 16-2 to 18-9 lol keep going against really weird strats...

Went agaist a no retreat baton pass smeargle...

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Honestly never had it, but that do sound like it go hard

[chrome knot]

order dennys online

under their ghost kitchen called the meltdown

[bold geode]

Oooooooooooooooh
Noted

[calm gulch]

[chrome knot]

its called like the giddy up melt lmfao

[bold geode]

Huh

Giddy up melt?

[solid frigate]

idk that exi-

[next stump]

good morning y’all

[nocturne holly]

Morning

[solid frigate]

mornin

[mighty stump]

Morning

@next stump If you ever find out what Gio ran on his Snorlax pls lmk

[next stump]

I will, let me ask if anyone I know played him at that local

[balmy glen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAB4ztNRn4Y&ab_channel=pokémonlabs snorlax made no appearance

[torn parrot]

cool emote

[chrome knot]

yes thats what i order at the meltdown

w/ no pickles bc fuck pickles

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

Fuck pickles

[solid frigate]

there better not be pickles in my Hamburger

[little plank]

I love me some pickles

[torn parrot]

i truly think zamazenta calyrex shadow is going to be good

everything calyrex shadow hates szamazenta beats

[craggy dagger]

but everything zama hates-
wait no caly shadow beats hm…

[nocturne holly]

Zama is going to be an insane secondary restricted

[balmy glen]

lame

my zama being meta makes me not want to use it

im half kidding

[modern harbor]

i think a big part of me losing is that i forgot my matchups; i trained my zama to always outspeed max speed specs chi yu but i was assuming zama was slower all the time

so i wasnt just clicking ko and it stayed on the field longer than it should have

[solid frigate]

LOL

[rustic mountain]

u should feel good about contributing to influencing the meta and wear it as a badge of honor (running the team)

if u feel its worse now then it was and reached its cap, thats another thing

[rustic mountain]

csr zama is gna go crazy

[craggy dagger]

what the hell did i just play against
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2162005173

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

both teams are weird

[craggy dagger]

technically my fault for making them unkillable but still

[mighty stump]

Kyogre Zama when

[modern harbor]

what should i do expecting a whimsicott lead? im scared of taunt if i lead torn

[rustic mountain]

that too

[mighty stump]

Moonblast/Encore/Tailwind/Light Screen or Protect

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger novaaaaaaaa

[craggy dagger]

hi

[modern harbor]

wdym?

[balmy glen]

Ima just Calyice Zama Pelipper everyone

[chrome knot]

i get new medssssss

[modern harbor]

im also scared of encore

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

There was a dub restricted tour on Limitless I think Nino did? Some people did that

[rustic mountain]

yea it should be a strong core

[foggy lodge]

i wonder which restricteds will be good in double restricted

[chrome knot]

i get testosterone blockers & 2mg e pills so i only have to take 3 a day !!!

[foggy lodge]

Outside of the 9 the are good in this format

[modern harbor]

CONGRATS

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

no more 6 pills a day lmfao

[rustic mountain]

idt much changes outside of that for irl tours but it def opens up useability on the ones outside of that for bo1 shit

like it wont be as hard to win w/ like kyruem black + an actually good restricted

but the rich get richer so idt it moves the needle that much in general

[dapper gorge]

is this team good?

Chien Pao,
Baxcaliber.
Wo-Chien,
Ursaluna,
Zamazenta,
Munkidori

[rustic mountain]

no

[bold geode]

So starters let's look at what we've seen some in single restricted
CSR gonna have help, it'll probably be better
CIR will be better cuz same thing
Basically CIR ,Mirai, CSR, Zama and Kyogre will all benefit with help

[dapper gorge]

:(

[rustic mountain]

r u doing vgc?

[bold geode]

Zacian could be a tiny bit better now that it ain't gotta do shit alone

[rustic mountain]

itll b better but so is everything else

[modern harbor]

bro how does base flutter outspeed scarf max speed urshifu 😭

[rustic mountain]

speed booster

[modern harbor]

if i run jolly will it still

[modern harbor]

isnt that only 30% boost

[rustic mountain]

i forget the math but it makes it faster then scarf urshi always

[modern harbor]

:(

[bold geode]

Booster speed is 1.5x

[modern harbor]

that shit is op 😭

[rustic mountain]

yea it makes flutter hit a little over 300 iirc

[bold geode]

Yeah Bundle hits 306 with the booster

[rustic mountain]

yea which is like 1 or 2 points faster then flutter would be right?

[bold geode]

Think it's like right under that for Flutter

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Pokémon No. 991: Iron Bundle

Types

Ice/Water

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

56/80/114/124/60/136

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

its gen 9, they r gna want the gen 9 mons to shine somewhat. urshi is still higher useage tho

[bold geode]

Yeah Bundle is a point faster

[rustic mountain]

rip bundle

[bold geode]

Actually correction
Booster Flutter goes 2 points slower
Bundle hits 309
Flutter would hit 307

[rustic mountain]

right cuz bundle is 206 pre booster so 309 makes sense

[bold geode]

Yeah and technically Flutters would be 307.5 but it rounds down

[rustic mountain]

i really wonder if we get paradox again next gen or they switch off and we get ubs and tapus back

[chrome knot]

i want a format where lurantis is king

[rustic mountain]

idk bout king but maybe in a regional dex format it can be ok

[bold geode]

So here's what you do right
So you cover up and go to sleep

And dream

[rustic mountain]

atleast some of my favs ive used before like dnite, umbreon,grimmsnarl but then u got like sceptile and its like

[modern harbor]

wait espeed goes before sucker punch??

[rustic mountain]

yeh

e speed has higher prio

[modern harbor]

wtf i thought sucker is +5

[chrome knot]

no..?

[modern harbor]

ahhh is it just +1?

[dapper crag]

Move: Sucker Punch

Fails if the target did not select a physical attack, special attack, or Me First for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

1

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

why?

[chrome knot]

1..

[modern harbor]

oof

[rustic mountain]

well atleast now u know

[modern harbor]

yea

[rustic mountain]

its a lot of interactions/info to get down. u can always check like bulbapedia and stuff for move info

tells u the priority and what not

[bold geode]

Yeah see I got some that or good or decent then it plummets lmao

[rustic mountain]

comp has made me like mons too that i wasnt a huge fan of before

[bold geode]

Like 3 of my favs are Rillaboom, Annihilape and Infernape
There's literally a fucking power scale there

[rustic mountain]

mid to decent to goated

[modern harbor]

annihilape and rilla are both goated lowk

[chrome knot]

lurantis sucks

[modern harbor]

ok but at least sylveon is decent

[bold geode]

I could actually use that to rate shit
Like "oh yeah Florges is Infernape level"

[modern harbor]

is scarf shifu faster than miraidon

[chrome knot]

yes

[rustic mountain]

rilla is goated highkey

[bold geode]

Like I know how people go I can't wait
But I can wait for the day that Infernape is good and I eat my words, cuz it'll never happen

[rustic mountain]

annilihape is decent, its been around its never gotten over the hump and wen its done well its a one off usually w/ a really good player piloting it

like its best result has been scarf final gambit stuff haha and then im forgetting on the player but he did mausape stuff for like way too long and was really good w/ it

[rustic mountain]

it was good in bdsp meta

i think outside of regional dex formats it has a hard time finding a place

[craggy dagger]

is that a challenge

[modern harbor]

scarf urshifu vs tera electric miraidon do i just click surging strikes?

[bold geode]

It's only had 2 good VGC moments iirc
1st in Gen 4 iirc but probably fell off outside of regional dex
2nd Gen 7 (Thx Jamie Boyt)

[bold geode]

This one time I will tell you
Don't

That is actually suffering you don't want

[craggy dagger]

iron fist is its hidden ability right

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

i mean the game isnt jus the 1v1 is it? context around the board state matters, is it full health and if u cant guarantee the ko is it worth trading urshi for a potentially not ko'd miraidon? etc

[bold geode]

Look at it's stats though lmao

[rustic mountain]

gotta look at things past the 1 turn and see how it fits into u ultimately winning. sometimes the trade offs are worth it, other times they arent

[craggy dagger]

yeah no i cant

[bold geode]

LOL

I love it
It's my boy
But it don't ignore the fact that it's fucking atrocious

[chrome knot]

best advice is dont try to always win the turn but to win the game

[rustic mountain]

agreed

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/RsMlLWOeFCM?si=lI6DXpuNfG0dZQS- this video helped me a lot

[rustic mountain]

we were jus talking about clickbait vids yday

does he even win 97% of his games? like wat r we doing here

[foggy lodge]

normally VGC resources are more to how to build but not too much about how to play, or atleast from what i see personally

[modern harbor]

NOOO I LOST TO DARK PULSE FLINCH

[rustic mountain]

[torn parrot]

I would have liked this more if it was a joke video

[rustic mountain]

even wolfey doesnt win 97% of his games, that title is so misleading

[foggy lodge]

Yeah lol

[rustic mountain]

not saying it cant have good info innit but i dont like titles like that

also i feel like you can manipulate it to make it "true" and have your sample size be like 20 games climbing from pokeball tier

[bold geode]

Yeah this is clickbait AF

Hell I can probably make the same video and it just be a few seconds long saying "Practice" or whatever tf

[molten oasis]

Slept in for work today haha fuuuck

[modern harbor]

does will o wisp affect body press

[torn parrot]

Yeye

[modern harbor]

i thought burn just halves attack 😭

[torn parrot]

It halves base power of physical moves

[modern harbor]

damn that is unfortunate

[torn parrot]

It makes Urshifu and zamazenta a little bit less unstoppable

Just a little bit

[modern harbor]

if i lead torn into whimsicott should i still tailwind and just expect an encore?

or should i taunt maybe

im stupid

i just taunted an incin

[nocturne holly]

Yea you prob should expect them to encore next turn

That’s why I don’t really like leading prankster tw vs prankster tw

[torn parrot]

I taunt incins all the time cus they always have some annoying move

too many will o wisps these days

Or parting shot

[nocturne holly]

I think he means he taunted with a prankster

[torn parrot]

Oh nvm

[nocturne holly]

Umbreon so good against incin fr fr

[torn parrot]

dummy haha poopoo haha

[nocturne holly]

lol

[stark kindle]

You taunt what

[craggy dagger]

[stark kindle]

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

ngl read it as the chirping cat

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

it’s supposed to be that

[chrome knot]

oh!

yeah good thing im smart

your welcome :/

[nocturne holly]

Real

Zac zama frfr

[rustic mountain]

in cybertrons latest video, the last team he plays has carbink, florges, hitmonchan, mareanie, tsareena w/ terapagos

[nocturne holly]

that’s some meta shit

[rustic mountain]

its something

[solid frigate]

w h a t-

Cybertron what on earth is he cooking

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 703: Carbink

Types

Rock/Fairy

Abilities

Clear Body, Sturdy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/50/150/50/150/50

Total

500

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

have you seen this things stats

[barren needle]

my friend has a really good team and i want to know if anyone has any counters to it, his team is terapagos, mudkip, ogerpon, ceruledge(biggest worry, he has 331 attack base stat and he has bulk up), mew, and i forgor the last one, i would really appreciate the help!

[craggy dagger]

this is for a friendly match i assume?

are there any restrictions on what you can use?

cause off the bat, a counter for pagos, ceru, mew all squished into one manifests as the snow leopard chien pao

[solid frigate]

i seen and used it in randbats so yeah

[solid frigate]

Urshifu+Wellspring Pon

[barren needle]

can i just use urshifu

[solid frigate]

Urshifu beats Pagos and Ceruledge and Ogerpon depending on the mask

but why Mudkip

[craggy dagger]

chien pao

please

it’s right there and it’s got funny stab base 70 priority move

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao moment

but against Ogerpon

it depends on the mask

[rustic mountain]

as in he played vs that team he wasnt running it

[solid frigate]

oh ok

[rustic mountain]

thats why i specified the last team he had played in that vid

wild stuff tho

[craggy dagger]

i like carbink-
screens and tr setter

[solid frigate]

i haven't seen that video but like you don't get too much support

(Carbink is nice tho depending on context)

[solid frigate]

and very tanky

[rustic mountain]

but w/ the rest of that team?

[boreal mauve]

Shiny Carbink

Provided by Nexus-Z

[solid frigate]

diamond ore kek

[craggy dagger]

also it’s got an amazing shiny

[solid frigate]

Its a diamond ore kek

[rustic mountain]

i like that diancie lore is tied to carbink

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 719: Diancie

Types

Rock/Fairy

Abilities

Clear Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/100/150/100/150/50

Total

600

Other Formes

Diancie-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

is rock fairy unique to them 2?

[craggy dagger]

carbink with 50 more stats into atks

makes sense that it’s lore tied now

[solid frigate]

gamefreak really like to make lore tied with Stats as well

[craggy dagger]

i mean

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 151: Mew

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Synchronize

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/100/100/100/100

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

Except when Mythicals in early gens i guess

[craggy dagger]

flat 100 across the board-
makes sense that this was the originator of all pokemon

[solid frigate]

i mean a lot of stuff can tie to lore

Like Ogerpon's Tera'd Ability are the memories of her past

[craggy dagger]

i mean
doesn’t really explain that stat boosts imo

i remember someone running covert cloak defiant ogerpon once

[solid frigate]

i think its just for convenience imo,but the sentimental value inside it

[solid frigate]

saw that before

quite interesting

[craggy dagger]

in an icy wind heavy meta

[solid frigate]

i wonder why he consider it tho

unless their partners are ok against it

[bold geode]

Covert Cloak Defiant Ogerpon
Basically at first it was an Incin answer lol cuz they'd run Superpower

[barren needle]

he thinks mudkip is da goat

[bold geode]

In competitive it is not da goat

Oh that
Yeah no still lmao

[dull ibex]

Hello everyone

Off topic my dad just saw my baldurs gate hours lmao

[molten oasis]

How many hours do you have?

[dull ibex]

306

[craggy dagger]

i mean
Thats a lot but its understandable

[molten oasis]

That makes sense

I have, 2000+ hours in apex I believe

the game used to be good

[molten oasis]

What are you working on rn?

[dull ibex]

3-4k in Minecraft

[bold geode]

I actually was playing Minecraft last night
Am gonna build Poke Center in Minecraft

[craggy dagger]

me?
nothing atm

[molten oasis]

Did you stop using clefable?

[molten oasis]

Very cool

I’ll be getting a new rental up tonight hopefully

[bold geode]

Thanks I hate it

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[modern harbor]

does mental herb stop follow me?

[next stump]

nope

[craggy dagger]

i mean...
i guess?
i havent been playing much vgc

[jade dust]

Stops encore and taunt

[chrome knot]

be realistic

[jade dust]

As well as disable I believe

[craggy dagger]

wym realistic

fire punch urshifu huh
first game
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2162171357

[chrome knot]

you dont play real teamsssssss

silly goose

[craggy dagger]

as i look at my team that i play the most
https://pokepast.es/e14717406c62e3eb

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[molten oasis]

I’m crying why

Why would you run fire punch lol

[chrome knot]

would be why

[molten oasis]

Ah they’re stupid lol

[jade dust]

To hit Amoonguss

[chrome knot]

or to hit the gimmick character chi yu

[craggy dagger]

chi yu is not a gimmick

[jade dust]

It’s the worst one of the 4

By far

[craggy dagger]

what

flutter fish statistics tell a different story

[jade dust]

But well I do like using gimmicky mons cuz I like them

But you’ll get a lot of hate here lmao

[craggy dagger]

well
i dunno how i've survived for this long then

[jade dust]

Idc about the hate, if my favorite mons can fit a niche in my team composition I’ll use it anyway. There are better options that fulfill the role but I like what I use more

And I have fun with it

[craggy dagger]

its not that people hate gimmicky teams
rather if you can provide results and can actually explain why you're using them asides from "they're my favourite" then itll be accepted

[jade dust]

In Pokémon a lot of very niche and gimmicky picks have been successful anyway

[craggy dagger]

else people dont really see a reason why to play gimmicky teams

[jade dust]

Pachirisu sucks but was successful with follow me and Garchomp

[craggy dagger]

only because it had cheek pouch
It doesnt anymore

[daring pumice]

Anyone remember how to beat bdsp battle tower this sucks but I want the ribbon

[jade dust]

I mean people here was shitting on me for using Swampert for wide guard. Yes I know there are better wide guard users but swampert gives me water, ground and rock coverage

[craggy dagger]

right but thats not a good enough reason

[chrome knot]

grass tera blast is gimmick character

[craggy dagger]

:T
what do people use nowdays-
ground blast?

[chrome knot]

ground i can see, grass is a little farfetched

[craggy dagger]

grass blast was from previous regulation

[jade dust]

Why if it fits well in my team

But I will try pelipper cuz I hate torkoal and I use trick room

[bold geode]

Ma'am I'm putting the team on cart cuz fuck it why not

[daring pumice]

Bdsp battle tower makes me wanna commit die

[craggy dagger]

the zama after you clefable??
why

[bold geode]

Cuz why not

Also just had a lady ask me if we sell machetes and now I'm concerned

[bold geode]

Nova you mess with me and I'll run it in a tour
I can pilot team
I am Zamazenta player

[craggy dagger]

if you say so

[bold geode]

Also I don't have much besides maybe fucking with Terapagos

[jade dust]

Why the fuck are some people in ranked using heavy ball Kyoger

And it’s slower than my caly

[molten oasis]

Ground is the thing rn

Grass is not

[craggy dagger]

i know that much

deals with electric types like mirai while allowing discharge to go off etc

[frigid flume]

What item should I run on farigaraf

[rustic mountain]

if ur talkin about the pachi team that won worlds it filled a very specific role for sejuns team at the time in a specific meta. theres a reason it hasnt seen results since. sometimes things work for the moment and thats that doesnt mean they continue to have viability. not to mention sejun falls into a small list of players that can actually make something like that work. you actually have to get good enough at the game first before utilizing a mon like that and making those kind of calls

sometimes i feel like pachi winning was the worst and best thing to happen cuz it got a lot of ppl into vgc but its used as a reference point to making your favorites work while ignoring the context on why it worked on that team in that point in time

[chrome knot]

people think its a crutch to use their favourite pokemon while being ignorant to the role it ACTUALLY played