I've played against this gravity yenmega team 3x now and I just can't seem to beat it lol
#competitive_discussion
little plank
Gravity hypnosis both Mons as it gets its speed boost each turn lol
Brings in Groupon and just wrecks lolb
foggy lodge
I found that team too
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
I just focused the Yanmega
molten oasis
It’s the gloom team all over again
solid frigate
brrrrrrrr
bronze vessel
when making a pokemon for pvp should i hypertrain all the stats or just the ones i've invested in with evs?
chrome knot
won a cute charity tournament today
bronze vessel
that hat looks sick
chrome knot
yuhhh old NAIC hat
craggy dagger
won a cute charity tournament today
HAT
chrome knot
insane prize tbhhh
next stump
when making a pokemon for pvp should i hypertrain all the stats or just the ones...
all stats except speed for trick room pokemon and attack for special attackers
also no point in training special attack for physical attackers, but it wont ever actively harm you
bronze vessel
so if i want my slither wing to be good in speed and physical attack should i do speed, physical attack and like hp n defense?
chrome knot
@next stump bringing pat con team with adjusted spreads tmrw for double header thoughts?
mighty stump
@next stump good luck for your match in 14 hours
nocturne holly
so if i want my slither wing to be good in speed and physical attack should i do...
Yea and sp def
mighty stump
Morning all
solid frigate
I love Iron Crown even more now
mighty stump
I love Iron Crown even more now
y
bold geode
Morning all
Morning Tofu
solid frigate
y
Steel Psychic ain't that bad of a typing,it can OHKO Flutter without needed Booster (Granted thats the Least of my Worries)
Can OHKO Calyrex Ice on a High Roll, with Quark Drive Boost
And Psychic Noise can stop healing unless its a Dark Type
Tera Ground for discharge moments from Miraidon
Yeah my team is so Ice Weak (at least Incin and Crown Covers it)
mighty stump
I see
solid frigate
yeah outside of that its just making my matchup slightly better
polar canyon
Pokerogue is my new addiction
I got dna splicers by like floor 15 and now I fused 2 of the worst pokemon ever made
The sunketterbug
little plank
I just focused the Yanmega
Well I opened indeedee F and caly shadow so he put indeedee to sleep turn 1 then caly to sleep next turn lol
little plank
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160553416 great match at 1700+ elo if anyone is interested
silver ravine
For a max ev speed ursaluna, do I even need 0 speed iv?
little plank
I figured top 500 on showdown would be like over 1800 by now
I'm not doing to shabby lol
chrome knot
is your gxe 63%…
little plank
Don't even know what that is guessing win rate?
little plank
I play like 20 different teams for testing lol I'll run teams with just 4 mons to test cores
Then I'll run my main team to get my rank back up
next stump
For a max ev speed ursaluna, do I even need 0 speed iv?
if you're running max EVs, you want max IV as well
solid frigate
Tailroom BM Ursa?
near crag
Hey! Does anyone happen to have a ogrepon fire spread? It's ivy cudgel, horn leech, spiky shield, and follow me
chrome knot
4/252/252
silver ravine
if you're running max EVs, you want max IV as well
Thank god. I've been trying to breed a 0 speed iv arboliva for resetting, but it hasn't been going well. Thank you
gentle cragBOT
Thank god. I've been trying to breed a 0 speed iv arboliva for resetting, but ...
striferealists has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd
silver ravine
Tailroom BM Ursa?
Yeah
solid frigate
well i'm fighting a BM Ursa rn
and i lost because i did not lead Miraidon-
if i lead Miraidon i can bait Rillaboom to Come out and i can Volt Switch Out into Incin
silver ravine
What would've been the play for BM Ursa?
solid frigate
What would've been the play for BM Ursa?
like a Play for BM Ursa or how i would play it?
craggy dagger
mrrrrp-?
solid frigate
Water lol
craggy dagger
<:spray:1020821427592630362>
silver ravine
like a Play for BM Ursa or how i would play it?
Yeah if you had lead with Mira and volt switched out for Incin
craggy dagger
if i lead Miraidon i can bait Rillaboom to Come out and i can Volt Switch Out in...
or you’d end up being screwed cause they didn’t take the terrain bait-
solid frigate
Yeah if you had lead with Mira and volt switched out for Incin
They Lead Caly Fari,and they tera and trick room,so my head would think that they will protect and TR or Switch out to Rilla and leave fari alone, i would voolt switch On Fari to gain at least some chip damage
silver ravine
solid frigate
but eh its all just my thought on it
idk if they would do that
oh god Mirror Match
except they have Urshifu and Hands and Valiant
Lando has some funny moment to share to them
craggy dagger
craggy dagger
huh
autumn ferry
i just got a calyrex ice rider and i want to change it Speed iv to 0 so it can work well in trickroom . is there any way to do it ?
little plank
Best way to reset evs on cart?
rustic mountain
solo sweeped w/ leafeon in randbats 
craggy dagger
i just got a calyrex ice rider and i want to change it Speed iv to 0 so it can w...
you can't change IVs unfortunately-
the only way to get 0spe IV caly ice rider is if you reset your calyrex until it has 0 speed
autumn ferry
you can't change IVs unfortunately-
the only way to get 0spe IV caly ice rider i...
ahhhhhh.....
craggy dagger
solo sweeped w/ leafeon in randbats <:budgetgachichamp:912162925836398652>
hey at least thats better than being swept by a sylveon
chrome knot
you also! dont need a 0spe caly ice rider
craggy dagger
true
autumn ferry
so i have to catch both horse and caly again?
autumn ferry
you also! dont need a 0spe caly ice rider
how so
chrome knot
mine actually has speed investment
bc its naturally slow as fuck in a fast as fuck format
rustic mountain
hey at least thats better than being swept by a sylveon
idk sylveon kinda goated but yea idk they forfeited after i 1 shotted their 4th mon
let me get behind sub and set up sd
chrome knot
self destruct
craggy dagger
bc its naturally slow as fuck in a fast as fuck format
chrome knot
nova guess what
craggy dagger
nova guess what
craggy dagger
show show
balmy glen
at our locals
mighty stump
at our locals
damn don’t leave me hanging on this key snorlax information
torn parrot
Mb I forgot to respond but that sounds really dangerous
Can punish any Teras as well
mighty stump
Mb I forgot to respond but that sounds really dangerous
Can punish any Teras as...
If you’re able to pressure very aggressively Stellar Tera Blast is really good imo
Offensive/Defensive Teras get punished and your high Speed tier also means you can scout/retain offensive pressure almost constantly
It also empowers BBlade/PR for extremely strong neutrals that can swing games
molten oasis
Yep
mighty stump
So the pins are pretty profound
tribal garnet
What a good build for Umbreon? I just want a tanky one
Just playing against my brother
solid frigate
What a good build for Umbreon? I just want a tanky one
Inner Focus Saftey Goggles with Foul Play,Snarl,Yawn and Taunt
Umbreon @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Foul Play
- Yawn
- Snarl
- Taunt
Usually its this i think
strange fjord
Umbreon @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 244 HP / 188 Def / 76 SpD
Calm Nature
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Reflect
Umbreon could also run Poison to stop bulky setup Pokemon. Notably, Calm Mind Terapagos loses momentum to Toxic
solid frigate
```
Umbreon @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs:...
yep i think we can both agree lol
mighty stump
Solo Reflect is ???
Ideally running Goggles to also avoid Rage Powder/Taunt required to stop Follow Me if you want to click Toxic
Yawn is arguably better mileage to stop momentum lol
Esp if no recovery/protect
void sluice
Is latias good in vgc reg g? Any team suggestions?
solid frigate
Is latias good in vgc reg g? Any team suggestions?
Along with Latios,they are getting Power Crept,especially Reg G has not been treating them well (Latios did win a Regional in the hands of a Zamazenta Team,Latias not so much)
void sluice
I'm just thinking of reaching master rank for the ribbon. Don't need it to win a regional or something.
solid frigate
I'm just thinking of reaching master rank for the ribbon. Don't need it to win a...
eh i mean Icy Wind support does work i guess
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
jade dust
This is my trick room team
I swapped swamper for primarina to have wide guard if they lead Kyoger Firagiaf and try to helping hand water spout
And to cover against spread moves in general
I ditched abomasnow cuz aurora veil was kinda an overkill, I didn’t need that much bulk and more coverage was welcome as well as bringing Amoonguss
I considered choice band swamper but that obviously wouldn’t work well if I want to use wide guard
charred saddle
not having tr in caly means that ur forced to TR with cress and idk about that
especially when the team is very slow relatively to the meta so
ur like forced to bring cress every game
charred saddle
is there even a reason to use magnet pull? when sturdy is a choice
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
jade dust
not having tr in caly means that ur forced to TR with cress and idk about that
Yeah I always bring cresselia
She’s a reliable trick room setter
And after that helping hand Calyrex
jade dust
is there even a reason to use magnet pull? when sturdy is a choice
Well it doesn’t get 1 shot often
charred saddle
Well it doesn’t get 1 shot often
even with 4x to ground?
charred saddle
ps. im asking, and not giving advice for the magnezone 
i have no shit ideas for that mon
charred saddle
oh. specs drago is quite nice to see
jade dust
ps. im asking, and not giving advice for the magnezone <:KEKWCRY:116624245450525...
Lol well there isn’t a lot of use in trapping steel types actually
Now thinking about it
But possibly getting 1 shot by ground is always a possibility
Most of the time it’s Cress and Carly that sweep but sometimes Swampert or Magnezone clean up if Calyrex falls
But those helping hand glacial lance really hurt. Even if they resist ice they are taking massive damage
jade dust
also Scarf Mirai-
Yeah that’s the most questionable thing there
solid frigate
Yeah that’s the most questionable thing there
honestly you ain't tell me i still know that is interesting
jade dust
honestly you ain't tell me i still know that is interesting
While he doesn’t have speed control it’s still weird choice
jade dust
Well trick room yes but
solid frigate
You use FUCKING TRICK ROOM TEAM YOU KNOW THIS
lofty tartan
solid frigate
Plus its not for miraidon anyway,Its for Hands and Lax
maybe Incin but idk if its Turbo Incin or not,it does not look like its Turbo Incin tho
balmy glen
I didn’t go to our locals this weekend so got no clue lol
jade dust
You use FUCKING TRICK ROOM TEAM YOU KNOW THIS
Bit it doesn’t make sense at all
Trick room and scarf???
Why would he use trick room there
lofty tartan
Or into TW
lofty tartan
^
lofty tartan
I mean not just for the most part - being aware of the speed tiers of things really helps when you're trying to use speed control
Or like... win and stuff
solid frigate
Trick Room Reset,and that team has Hands and Lax
there is a reason why Miraidon has Whimsicott and Farigiraf in the same team for Most Formulas Origniated from Rajan's
jade dust
Oh it’s been a while since I saw snorlax
charred saddle
bro its not even just about the restricteds,
know the speed ier doesnt mean about average speeds or stuff like that
in games like Bo3 knowing that ie. for some reason its a turbo ursaluna, and ur rilla is getting outsped. TR helps,.
wait nvm wrong example, i dont think turboluna ever outspeeding rilla kek
lofty tartan
If you know the relative speed of things you'll know generally if you're going to get outsped or not depending on the current board state, and what is the most appropriate action for speed control, if it's available - before you select your moves
Thunder Wave, Icy Wind, Trick Room, Tailwind, Scary Face, Cotton Spore, etc.
charred saddle
gaining knowledge about speed tier is important for TR
lofty tartan
Like if you both have Miraidon, they TW, you have Scarf, your Miraidon is still slower 🤷
charred saddle
and utilizing TR doesnt always mean u need slow mon
as long as ur slower. this is the key
ie. TW, twave, bleakwind speed drop etc
oh ye and scarf is 1.5 and not 2
so TW > scarf still
solid frigate
and utilizing TR doesnt always mean u need slow mon
as long as ur slower. this ...
sure you forfieted Damage, but since not a lot of people play scarf Miraidon its hard to know whats going on
And also wtf just happened-
did i see someone try to dox people-
lofty tartan
Just move along
solid frigate
fair
jade dust
252+ Ursa is 114
That’s very gimmicky
lofty tartan
That's not what a gimmick is, really. It's just a fast bear.
charred saddle
turboluna is a thing
lofty tartan
I've used 252 timid BM Ursa.
charred saddle
then again.
every innovation starts as a gimmick
solid frigate
That’s very gimmicky
its not gimmicky lol,I think Rajan and Nicholas Donnley uses it in Reg G and Reg F respectively
lofty tartan
Ehhhh I wouldn't really go that far either
solid frigate
wait is Nicholas Donnley's BM Ursa Tailroom Ursa
jade dust
I know Pokémon teams aren’t black and white but it’s weird to see that type of builds
solid frigate
I know Pokémon teams aren’t black and white but it’s weird to see that type of b...
its called innovation
lofty tartan
It just depends on how your team works.
molten oasis
molten oasis
finally beat the Kyurem White Curse
nice
im in the proccess of building that kyurem team i have ingame
lofty tartan
So like... again, it's just a fast bear.
solid frigate
252 timid BM Ursa is faster than Miraidon in Tailwind.
its little bit Bizzare but it works well
And i like it
molten oasis
found whims and bloodmoon felt decent
solid frigate
found whims and bloodmoon felt decent
let him cook
jade dust
252 timid BM Ursa is faster than Miraidon in Tailwind.
If they use tw themselves then it’s slow
charred saddle
the team has trickrtoom.
solid frigate
If they use tw themselves then it’s slow
Thats why TR exists
molten oasis
you tr on tw teams
charred saddle
look. speed control is just speed control.
solid frigate
and thats why Tailroom is quite popular in this reg due to this specfic Reason
molten oasis
bloodmoon is still pretty slow in tr even at max speed modest
lofty tartan
I'm not here talk about stuff in a vacuum. Everything is always in a case-by-case basis because usually games don't go the exact same way every time. It's all hyper-dependant on board state.
solid frigate
bloodmoon is still pretty slow in tr even at max speed modest
its usually Timid but ok
solid frigate
isnt modest max speed the way to go?
idk
i don't use Max Speed ursa but i see sample sets use Timid lol
lofty tartan
isnt modest max speed the way to go?
I was using Timid max speed and I got it from Tofu so 🤷
molten oasis
like, ig outspeeding CSR is nice but you already beat CSR technically
molten oasis
I was using Timid max speed and I got it from Tofu so 🤷
tofu suggested modest for me
solid frigate
then what is it Lmao
molten oasis
solid frigate
i guess Timid if you wanna but then again i don't use fast Ursa soooooo
lofty tartan
Eh - was either Timid or Modest. They both outspeed Miraidon in TW
molten oasis
tofu's point for max speed modest bloodmoon for me was CSR wasn't a big issue for it and shifu was very manageable with freeze dry kyurem and a wellspring
mostly the first part
lofty tartan
The whole point of bringing it up in the first place wasn't really spitballing about the speed or the damage, it was an example for using slower mons in appropriate settings with speed control lol
molten oasis
solid frigate
kek
lofty tartan
Like things aren't always just one-dimensional.
lofty tartan
If you see a Farigiraf it probably has TR. TR is more than just "slow mons good"
molten oasis
it looks good,nothing out of ordinary
i asked for advice elsewhere and they just said looks good so, thats enough for me
lofty tartan
Like building a team with 5 slow mons and one TR setter is risk
molten oasis
although i've been considering earth power over draco
im 50/50 on it
im gona climb ladder with draco and see how it fares first
now i have to shiny hunt whimsi
solid frigate
although i've been considering earth power over draco
i mean its not the first restricted to lose out STAB for a better move,And if you wanna hit any Miraidons i guess Earth Power is more safe cuz Kyurem already does stupid numbers
molten oasis
i mean its not the first restricted to lose out STAB for a better move,And if yo...
im gonna blizzard the mirai
that as well, i have ice coverage so idt the dragon coverage is as necessary
solid frigate
don't remind me of PTSD again lmao
molten oasis
hahaha double freeze oOOooOoo
jade dust
and thats why Tailroom is quite popular in this reg due to this specfic Reason
Ah I see. I always specialized in either trick room or tailwind. I bring a taunt user that isn’t prankster if I use tailwind
solid frigate
Ah I see. I always specialized in either trick room or tailwind. I bring a taunt...
Urshifu kek
jade dust
Or use full trick room and have ways to guarantee I get my trick room
molten oasis
fari kinda guarantees tr all the time
jade dust
~~Urshifu kek~~
Lol well Flutter Nabe actually
solid frigate
I used Taunt Shifu quite some time and its so damn troll
molten oasis
goggles taunt shifu is my favorite shifu
jade dust
It can get 1 shot easier than cresselia for example, and is weak to taunt unless you use mental herb
molten oasis
anti fake out
jade dust
Cresselia can afford to buy se mental herb and be hard to kill
solid frigate
or spore
its kinda my issue on my team as well due to i forfeited Torn for Whims and Bolt over Cress
i mean Bolt is just so good on Hybrid Support+Offense
molten oasis
thats the third meowth to hit me im killing it
solid frigate
thats the third meowth to hit me im killing it
?
solid frigate
oh lol
I would just kill them anyways
solid frigate
Cresselia can afford to buy se mental herb and be hard to kill
again
Stop with the Cress Glazing-
Urshifu can one shot it
jade dust
Not at all lol
solid frigate
and all Cress runs Safety Googles
cyan smelt
Somehow doubt this guy made top 500 with mental herb cress lmao
jade dust
If they taunt my cresselia then my setup doesn’t work
solid frigate
Spore:
cyan smelt
Fake out
lofty tartan
Knock Off 🤷
molten oasis
rain boosted tera water surging strikes
solid frigate
252+ Atk Tera Dark Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 180 Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 224-268 (98.6 - 118%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Ahem
molten oasis
you beat me to everything else
jade dust
rain boosted tera water surging strikes
Incineroar fake out
solid frigate
rain boosted tera water surging strikes
My favourite Past time
molten oasis
we said fake out
solid frigate
Tera Water Rain Boosted Mystic Water Surging Strikes
lofty tartan
I counter your counter with my counter.
You've activated my trap card.
solid frigate
156+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 180 Def Cresselia in Rain on a critical hit: 204-240 (89.8 - 105.7%) -- approx. 37.5% chance to OHKO
I do love some trolling
cyan smelt
Comp chat does seem to attract a higher proportion of trolls
jade dust
What is that “37% chance to KO”
lofty tartan
A pretty good roll for 156 attack, not even max
jade dust
Aren’t damage number fixed
solid frigate
it doesn't really matter when u can DOUBLE UP
molten oasis
very nice yea
lofty tartan
No. They're a range.
lofty tartan
252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 240 HP / 132 Def Cresselia on a critical hit: 260-308 (115.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
solid frigate
kyurem looks so sick ingame
i like the Red on it,its very vibrant as well
molten oasis
LOL
lofty tartan
Even though it's always a crit, it's always a range, too
solid frigate
252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 240 HP / 132 Def Cresselia on a cri...
Lyco would be proud
jade dust
I thought cuz mons had a fixated stat, like max EVs, natural and base stats, they always did the same damage every time
solid frigate
did smth happen?
we don't talk about that,unless you want me to dm you
lofty tartan
I thought cuz mons had a fixated stat, like max EVs, natural and base stats, the...
No. That is 100% not the case.
molten oasis
ive heard enough
lofty tartan
Possible damage amounts: (260, 264, 266, 270, 272, 276, 278, 282, 284, 288, 290, 294, 296, 300, 302, 308)
willow vault
kyurem looks so sick ingame
It really does
lofty tartan
These are the possible damage rolls for Wicked Blow vs Cresselia.
molten oasis
havent seen you in a minute
jade dust
No. That is 100% not the case.
Alright how it works then? Moves have a base power, attacks and defenses have a maximum stat possible, and stabs and all that are consistent
willow vault
I’ve spent my time lurking around
solid frigate
lol
jade dust
So why is it rng
lofty tartan
Alright how it works then? Moves have a base power, attacks and defenses have a ...
Because those factors add together and roll for a damage outcome.
But I'm not the person who is going to explain the full calculation for damage values, nor is that understanding relevant to know that damage is a range.
cyan smelt
Dawob is that guy lol
lofty tartan
You have a base possible damage and a max possible damage. This is why we run calcs for EVs.
molten oasis
do you guys know the best spot to find shiny whims?
jade dust
But let’s say a 256 hp 256 def amoonguss won’t always deal let’s say 100 HP from a max Spc Atk water spout Kyoger
willow vault
I don’t know
lofty tartan
do you guys know the best spot to find shiny whims?
Uhhh I just forced an outbreak and hunted it that way.
willow vault
But let’s say a 256 hp 256 def amoonguss won’t always deal let’s say 100 HP from...
Max evs is 252
lofty tartan
But let’s say a 256 hp 256 def amoonguss won’t always deal let’s say 100 HP from...
No. It won't always be a 100 damage value
molten oasis
mk, i'll just do that
solid frigate
But let’s say a 256 hp 256 def amoonguss won’t always deal let’s say 100 HP from...
256-
since when EVs geta boost-
jade dust
You know I mean max evs
lofty tartan
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Amoonguss in Rain: 120-141 (54.2 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
jade dust
Alright, so if you lived with above half HP a move, next hit from the same move can kill you because it can possibly deal more damage
lofty tartan
With specs it would be 120 - 141 damage
Accounting for BP reduction due to doubles.
molten oasis
oh do sandwiches and outbreaks stack? im just making sure
solid frigate
oh do sandwiches and outbreaks stack? im just making sure
yeah
i think so cuz it does spawn more
lofty tartan
There's just always a range.
molten oasis
cool
lofty tartan
It's never a set number and there's no way to get it to not be a range
Unless specified by the move like always doing half of hp value
molten oasis
range makes the game more exciting imo
molten oasis
otherwise its literally just math that looks cool
lofty tartan
That's really what it is anyway. Cute stat blocks being smashed together for my amusement.
Everything is determined by math.
molten oasis
true
lofty tartan
Want to hit a move that isn't 100% accurate? Math.
solid frigate
Pokemon made me do math
But at least its not quadratic formula
lofty tartan
Doing damage? Math.
molten oasis
quadratic formula is ez
solid frigate
quadratic formula is ez
fair point lel
molten oasis
lol
molten oasis
double freeze? math
solid frigate
Poison and Toxic Damage? Math.
molten oasis
this outbreak is not happening lol
solid frigate
F
lofty tartan
I just do a grass or fairy sandwich and stand in a zone where Whimsicott/Cottonee should appear and reset until it pops
I get it every time I do it, for whatever pokemon outbreaks.
jade dust
otherwise its literally just math that looks cool
I guess so yeah
solid frigate
the one near north part of the Islands in Costal?
lofty tartan
That's near where I hunted my shiny Whims
But it should work with any spot it spawns
Other than that it's just patience
solid frigate
ah ok
solid frigate
i think i shiny hunted 3 shiny Comfeys near the Big Beach and Savanna Biome and i got 3 of them lel
solid frigate
yeah i guess its fine
Finally i can remember spawning locations
cyan smelt
How do you get the map to work, I can never get it to work
lofty tartan
molten oasis
I just do a grass or fairy sandwich and stand in a zone where Whimsicott/Cottone...
that works?
cyan smelt
So I need to do that for fomantis
lofty tartan
You need to select the poke (click Whims), and click the spawn you're looking for (Standard Spawn)
solid frigate
that works?
yeah it works
lofty tartan
that works?
How do you think I exclusively farm outbreaks and have as many shinies as I do and talk about how easy it is?
molten oasis
fair enough lol
solid frigate
Herbie has more experience getting those
i usually just get the mon and fuck it we ball
lofty tartan
Drago's seen my VGC boxes.
jade dust
252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 240 HP / 132 Def Cresselia on a cri...
Oh yeah but in case rain urishifu tries to 1 round my cresselia I have Amoonguss. He can’t run both mystic water and safety googles. They have to guess either I lead incineroar or amoonguss
solid frigate
time to remember the fairy sandwich
yeah you don't wanna spawn multiple Palm Trees
lofty tartan
Oh yeah but in case rain urishifu tries to 1 round my cresselia I have Amoonguss...
I'm not participating in the vocal matches that always go the way that everyone wants to. That's like what... hyperbole?
jade dust
Both incineroar and amoonguss are good leads to protect my cresselia
lofty tartan
You can craft whatever situation you want in a converation but it comes down to the fact that Cresselia can't stop everything and there are ways around strategies.
You're gonna be soft to something
Cresselia isn't like Farigiraf with built-in insurance.
jade dust
Yes, what actually stops this is to lead fake out and taunt. If they fake out and taunt turn one and taunt again next turn
That stops trick room from going on
lofty tartan
Got an Amoongus for Rage Powder - Tera Grass Urshifu exists, and Fake Out still gets you there. You won't be redirecting Spores either
solid frigate
and Fari is superior on TR setting
And if Cress need to use Helping hand or Ally Switch it needs to Forfeit Protect (Which it does not use that much anyways)
Fari is just straight up better in being TR support
lofty tartan
🤷
jade dust
Grass Urshifu doesn’t have enough power to 1 round cresselia
lofty tartan
solid frigate
<:facepalm:479672410824638464>
yeah the glazing is crazy-
molten oasis
<:facepalm:479672410824638464>
average day in here
solid frigate
i used Cress and i regret using it
lofty tartan
Urshifu would do about 50% to cress off a Surging Strikes there. You can easily pick that up with the double.
You can stop TR without KOing Cress. Like if she gets sufficiently disrupted, she sits around durdling a lot.
I ignore a lot of Cress
She's got really bad "all my friends are dead" syndrome
solid frigate
yeah nobody really target cress cuz it just a sitting duck if your mon is resisted it
cuz mostly they run Moonblast
jade dust
I ignore a lot of Cress
Well that’s why I use helping hand
lofty tartan
That being said - use what you're gonna use, but there's a reason why Farigiraf sees a lot more play than Cresselia right now. Acting like Farigiraf is bad because you like Cresselia more is weird.
Yeah, Farigiraf has Helping Hand too.
solid frigate
and Armor tail is funny
lofty tartan
And does more after setting TR but 🤷
jade dust
But yes Cresselia she isn’t doing much damage
solid frigate
i don't trust that statement with 70 SpA
lofty tartan
Okay.
jade dust
But if my Calyrex and Swampert/Magnezone go down then gg
lofty tartan
jade dust
Tho once I won with Amoonguss and Cresselia lmao
I did helping hand clear smoke to kill with amoonguss
That was hilarious
What item should I run on Swampert, I’m running leftovers but something that boosts damage would be nice
That allows me to use wide guard as well
Not choice band
jade dust
Yes, what actually stops this is to lead fake out and taunt. If they fake out an...
Actually I just remembered imprison exists too. That stops my setup too
jade dust
Yeah true but happened once
Let me make this clear, by no means I’m saying my team is invincible. No, even if I get my trick room set if they manage to KO my Calyrex or to stall the 5 turns, this falls apart
But I feel very consistent to set the trick room with cress plus the support she offers. Having a way to heal burn is nice since that is one of the ways they can stop my caly from rolling their team
There are specific ways and strategies to stop my cresselia but I cover a lot of common things with this as well. Fake out, rage powder, mental herb and wide guard help a lot to get my setup started most of the time
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/slide-escape-move-leave-quit-gif-10335123
so true
lofty tartan
solid frigate
jade dust
Lol all I’m saying is that if I lose is because they made the correct plays and took down my caly or survived the 5 turns, but not because they OHKO my cresselia turn 1
lofty tartan
Frankly I think we've moved passed the subject of your Cresselia 👀
solid frigate
Frankly I think we've moved passed the subject of your Cresselia 👀
yep really,i getting bored of that topic already
solid frigate
I still have to settle on a team for my local next week 😐
good luck man
Meanwhile me still giving Miraidon a Test Spin
lofty tartan
I've been thinking about giving Miraidon another go. I played Rajan's team a lot, and some other variants. But I dunno.
Almost thinking it's like... Terapagos, Caly-I, or Koraidon for next week :/
jade dust
What’s the move that protects your partner called? I forgot
solid frigate
I've been thinking about giving Miraidon another go. I played Rajan's team a lo...
i used Miraidon Iron Crown Team with Rajan's Formula
lofty tartan
I saw that team. I did not like expert belt.
jade dust
Looks similar to wide guard but only protects your partner
solid frigate
I saw that team. I did not like expert belt.
yeah Drago did tell me about it lmao
although i just shuffle on lorb and Expert belt
Booster Energy does not OHKO Calyrex Ice
While Lorb and Expert Belt +Booster does if they did not Tera
lofty tartan
Looks similar to wide guard but only protects your partner
Are you talking about Safeguard? There is no move that protects your partner pokemon.
There's protect/detect/baneful bunker
There's Safeguard, Wide Guard, Quick Guard
solid frigate
196 SpA Expert Belt Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 202-236 (97.5 - 114%) -- approx. 62.5% chance to OHKO
I love this so much lmao
tho Lorb gives me guaranteed OHKO
jade dust
Are you talking about Safeguard? There is no move that protects your partner po...
I think it’s quick guard? The mon that used it can be hit but not the partner
solid frigate
thats for priority moves
lofty tartan
That's not what Quick Guard does
Quick Guard protects all Pokémon on the user's side of the field from moves that have increased priority during that turn, such as Quick Attack or Aqua Jet.
charred saddle
if theres a pokemon that can protect its allies while they are doing other stuff, its broken as hell
lofty tartan
^^^^^^
solid frigate
Quick Guard protects all Pokémon on the user's side of the field from moves that...
then again
Farigiraf does that already
charred saddle
just do that + set up
solid frigate
like why use Quick Guard when Farigiraf literally exists
lofty tartan
Talonflame saw some use with it during like Reg A or B?
solid frigate
it learned that?
You learn something new everyday
charred saddle
while in a sense wuick guard and wide guard protects ur allies from certain moves, it doesnt protect you to single target
solid frigate
but i mean its still too situational plus it cost you a move
(Tho it is unexpected)
jade dust
if theres a pokemon that can protect its allies while they are doing other stuff...
Idk I saw someone use a move that protected his partner from getting hit. It was Sceptile pre evolve that used it
solid frigate
on B01 Ladder mosty
But b03 as well if you are inexperienced with it
jade dust
I don’t remember what was called of it’s its exclusive of Sceptile line
solid frigate
Shed Tail?
What move did you use against it
jade dust
Shed Tail?
What move did you use against it
Isn’t that like substitute?
solid frigate
its Baton Pass(Without transfering Buffs)+Subsitute
jade dust
Yeah no that’s different. 2 mons where out and I used a spread move, it hit the Grovyle but not his partner
If I see it again I’ll pay attention
solid frigate
thats just Wide Guard
lofty tartan
Yeah no that’s different. 2 mons where out and I used a spread move, it hit the ...
There isn't a move that a pokemon can use that can protect it's partner from attacks like protect. There is especially nothing specific to the Sceptile line like that
solid frigate
There isn't a move that a pokemon can use that can protect it's partner from att...
he said spread Move so its wide guard
lofty tartan
If it was WG it wouldn't hit either mon, rather that hit one and not the other.
solid frigate
unless grovyle uses Protect
lofty tartan
He said it hit one mon and didn't hit the other.
junior patrol
Hey what's a good team for Koraidon?
jade dust
There isn't a move that a pokemon can use that can protect it's partner from att...
Yeah I don’t know, I was very confused as well
If I see it again I’ll clip it
lofty tartan
You won't, because it doesn't exist 
solid frigate
Hey what's a good team for Koraidon?
Koraidon usually run with Flutter Mane Incin as their main Partners
and often Bolt cuz its so good
junior patrol
Ok so what do I run for Iv's and such for those mons?
molten oasis
Koraidon usually run with Flutter Mane Incin as their main Partners
Chi yu is pretty common
solid frigate
Chi yu is pretty common
oh yeah that
junior patrol
Why is Chi yu common with the team?
mighty stump
Fixes the CSR MU
mighty stump
if you give Hiroshima Bomb an Upgrade
Really inappropriate
solid frigate
sorry
mighty stump
Nw
jade dust
and often Bolt cuz its so good
What about wake
Wake has a water move that is stronger in sun
That’s amazing
solid frigate
What about wake
i did use Wake but it kinda did not go that well
Bolt is generally better
jade dust
But the rest it has terrible coverage
mighty stump
Wake doesn’t provide as much since Bolt is just so key for Miraidon and Rain MUs
junior patrol
What does MU's stand for
mighty stump
Matchups
solid frigate
and Bolt against Rain Teams is still good cuz it can still operate without sun
AV Bolt Goated
junior patrol
I wonder why GameFreak shiny locked all the legendaries
jade dust
Wake doesn’t provide as much since Bolt is just so key for Miraidon and Rain MUs
Funny it got the electric type syndrome while bolt didn’t
Electric types usually have shitty coverage
Flying types suffer the same
Barely any good offensive moves
I would like a good flying move that isn’t brave bird
solid frigate
Thunderbolt, Thunder, Volt Switch, Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Discharge,Electroweb
Literally those are very nice moves that all do stuff
jade dust
Thunderbolt, Thunder, Volt Switch, Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Discharge,Electro...
I mean coverages as different type moves
Water for example always gets ice moves
Ground types always gets rock moves
solid frigate
Its fine cuz it does not need it
In Older gens we got Hidden power
jade dust
Same vise versa, rocks get ground moved
molten oasis
Electric types don’t tend to need a lot of coverage due to the typing already being pretty strong offensively
jade dust
Yeah fair
solid frigate
Hidden Power and Now Tera blast
green iron
Electric types don’t tend to need a lot of coverage due to the typing already be...
And only 1 weakness
lofty tartan
Ground moves for Rock types and Rock moves for Ground types is more similar moves to a similar typing. Water getting ice is the same as that.
molten oasis
Bolt gets the benefit of being a dragon type and gets access to moves like Draco meteor which is a nuke button
solid frigate
exactly
jade dust
There are good electric types but majority are bad actually
molten oasis
And dragon is also a good typing due to very little things resisting it
jade dust
Only steel right?
molten oasis
Being fairy and steel
jade dust
Fairy is immune
solid frigate
and most electric Types Currently Available are not Mono Electric
(Regieleki damn it)
jade dust
Bug needs help
junior patrol
Also quick question is Regidraco any good?
lofty tartan
Yes
molten oasis
Yes
jade dust
Give bugs a passive ability like grass being immune to powders, or rock getting spc def in sand
molten oasis
It’s a strong spread attacker
solid frigate
Give bugs a passive ability like grass being immune to powders, or rock getting ...
ok did you watch that Moxie Boosted Video.
jade dust
It’s a strong spread attacker
Unless fairies
lofty tartan
Bug isn't weak because it doesn't have any special quality for being Bug. It's weak because of type interactions.
molten oasis
Good partner with zacian
mighty stump
Lol
jade dust
ok did you watch that Moxie Boosted Video.
I did actually but even before that I had thought in the passive ability
solid frigate
yeah and escavalier actually won worlds back in gen 5
molten oasis
There are good bug types like volcarona and escavalier
solid frigate
and some bug types like Shedinja and Scizor are one of the more widely known to be decent in other formats
Pheremosa also made some play in Gen 7-8
jade dust
Bug isn't weak because it doesn't have any special quality for being Bug. It's ...
Yeah and grass is trash on that too. So many things resist it and has the highest number of weaknesses, but the powder immunity helped a lot
molten oasis
Bug steel’s a good typing defensively only having 1 weakness
lofty tartan
Yeah and grass is trash on that too. So many things resist it and has the highes...
Grass... what?
green iron
Yeah and grass is trash on that too. So many things resist it and has the highes...
Grass is not trash
molten oasis
Grass is a good typing
solid frigate
Yeah and grass is trash on that too. So many things resist it and has the highes...
Ogerpon,Rillaboom,Wo-Chien,Amoonguss:
jade dust
Ogerpon,Rillaboom,Wo-Chien,Amoonguss:
I mean with typing interactions
solid frigate
even wo chien now is way better now pairing with Kyogre
molten oasis
Grass offers a lot of resistances
jade dust
So many types resist grass just like how many types resist bug
lofty tartan
Yeah grass is a good typing.
molten oasis
That are genuinely more valued than the types bug offers to resist
solid frigate
Grass offers a lot of resistances
some suprsingly meaningful ones like Ground and Electric
And keep in mind Miraidon is everywhere
molten oasis
Miraidon doesn’t care about resists lets be honest
solid frigate
fair
molten oasis
Tera electric edrift go brr
jade dust
Grass offers a lot of resistances
But has 5 weaknesses and only effective to 3
Bug resists ground and fighting
lofty tartan
When I said type interactions, what I meant was not if it has resists or not.
solid frigate
Tera electric edrift go brr
VIOLET ACTIVITY
molten oasis
But has 5 weaknesses and only effective to 3
Which is something you can manage
jade dust
When I said type interactions, what I meant was **not** if it has resists or not...
Then?
molten oasis
Rillaboom is a prime example of a top grass type in the format
jade dust
Rillaboom is a prime example of a top grass type in the format
Yeah cuz he has a good ability and moves
molten oasis
Hydrapple has good moves and ability I don’t see it anywhere
lofty tartan
Then?
It's a commonality that it has common weaknesses, most bug pokemon are garbage mons regardless of typing, the things that do resist it are hugely common - it's a myriad of factors.
Not just "# of resists vs # of weaknesses"
solid frigate
Wo-Chien:
Shitty Stats(Not that Shitty),Ability is replaced by a better one (Intimidate) and Bad Typing and it made it to top 5 in NAIC
I love that team now
lofty tartan
Grass is one part of a traditional and solid core for team compositions just in a very base general sense.
Fire Water Grass cores are common and strong for a reason, and they're extremely variable.
molten oasis
If we put typings at just the face value of resists and weaknesses I think grass looks worse than it does but generally it’s subjective to the meta and what’s common
solid frigate
no only it helps on their Weakness by resisting it,it also grant loads of benefits
Like Water and Fire Resist Ice and you can be flexible on it
jade dust
It's a commonality that it has common weaknesses, most bug pokemon are garbage m...
Grass is weak to common offensive types too. Fire and ice specially
molten oasis
Grass is extremely valuable for dealing with urshifu rapid strike and miraidon
lofty tartan
Grass is weak to common offensive types too. Fire and ice specially
This is the reason for the core part.
jade dust
Grass pairs well with types like water
solid frigate
especially Rillaboom with Assault Vest
molten oasis
Resisting those hits keeps you in the game longer
lofty tartan
Like even before I played VGC I knew Bug was bad.
molten oasis
Bug is just notably bad lol
lofty tartan
Never once did I think that grass was a poor typing due to being weak to fire.
jade dust
Like even before I played VGC I knew Bug was bad.
Yes it’s true that most bug types are hot garbage
solid frigate
Grass pairs well with types like water
also giving that you don't know about the basics of the Teambuilding formula,i suggest go to #rental_teams
jade dust
They are the ones placed in route 1 and 2
molten oasis
Most pokemon suck let’s be honest
jade dust
That evolve at early level with shitty stats
molten oasis
For competitive there’s not a huge ton of mons that are viable
solid frigate
Butterfree in gen 8:
jade dust
also giving that you don't know about the basics of the Teambuilding formula,i s...
I mean I like my team and it’s been working for me. I have fun with it
solid frigate
I mean I like my team and it’s been working for me. I have fun with it
- i ain't using it
- you don't even have the rental code
3.did you test it in Showdown
4.if you said i made it into top 500,most likely it isn't
molten oasis
It can work for you doesn’t mean that’s what’s best for the team
Or the best option to win
solid frigate
there is a reason why the current Caly Ice Formula is so good cuz it covers almost everything
lofty tartan
I'm just wondering why so many Tera Electric while running Earthquake and tera Ice Calyrex like a sitting duck 
solid frigate
I'm just wondering why so many Tera Electric while running Earthquake and tera I...
we should tell him to rename him as Tera Electric Spammer
molten oasis
No terrain control so you can click that into rilla
solid frigate
I'm just wondering why so many Tera Electric while running Earthquake and tera I...
dies to Chi Yu and Iron Crown Very Easily
molten oasis
we should tell him to rename him as Tera Electric Spammer
Harsh
solid frigate
Harsh
i mean its not the first time he said that
also Tera Fighting Incin really wanna die to Moonblast huh
molten oasis
The team needs a lot of work but idk how much of that will end up getting across
2 members need to go Tera’s need to change moveset need work, I could go on
solid frigate
2 members need to go Tera’s need to change moveset need work, I could go on
and Items on Incin and Amoonguss
molten oasis
hence suggesting using rentals
solid frigate
there are plenty of Caly Ice Teams in Here and Limitless
lofty tartan
Yeah I mean even I have a Caly-I team
molten oasis
I’ll be throwing the second(?) kyurem team up soon
solid frigate
i'm not gonna throw another rentals cuz its almost August
molten oasis
First actually
molten oasis
i'm not gonna throw another rentals cuz its almost August
Reg g isn’t until September
jade dust
1. i ain't using it
2. you don't even have the rental code
3.did you test it in ...
I didn’t expect you to use it, just posted it to show my setup
molten oasis
H, reg h
solid frigate
I didn’t expect you to use it, just posted it to show my setup
i said i would not use it and if people is stupidly wanna use it,there is no rental code
lofty tartan
i said i would not use it and if people is stupidly wanna use it,there is no ren...
Okay like diagreeing and using questionable stuff is one thing, but you've been really hyper aggressive recently and I think you gotta dial it down some. Friendly advice.
solid frigate
Reg g isn’t until September
i guess i can throw a Miraidon team
lofty tartan
You're on 11, you need to be more on a 7
molten oasis
The advice needs to be heard not shoved down their throats
Don’t be rude about it either it just makes things worse
lofty tartan
Like I don't think the decisions are good either, but avoiding words like "stupid" and "idiotic" is a good general rule of thumb.
solid frigate
Okay like diagreeing and using questionable stuff is one thing, but you've been ...
fair, i just feel kinda unlucky and felt frustrated but thanks for advice
gentle cragBOT
fair, i just feel kinda unlucky and felt frustrated but thanks for advice
morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika
lofty tartan
Like if you find yourself composing something and you'd get offended by someone calling your stuff stupid, maybe just... don't say that
solid frigate
i might throw my Miraidon team in the rentals cuz there is not a single Mirai team in Rentals in the server
molten oasis
Mirai formula got cracked after Indianapolis so ig there wasn’t a need
Mirai whims Bloodmoon Fari
lofty tartan
There's been interesting Miraidon teams recently that aren't just carbon copies of Rajan's
That have been putting up successful results.
molten oasis
I haven’t seen much beyond that personally
solid frigate
Mirai formula got cracked after Indianapolis so ig there wasn’t a need
i mean tbf just wanna throw it for a month and a half cuz reg H is gonna be here
Just mine is kinda similar in formula
molten oasis
What are the changes?
jade dust
i said i would not use it and if people is stupidly wanna use it,there is no ren...
Not stupid if it’s working effectively
solid frigate
What are the changes?
just more hyper offensive,and i think Drago you saw it
lofty tartan
I haven’t seen much beyond that personally
Keanu posted an image here, and I posted an image in my office that has two.
molten oasis
Saw that just now yea
lofty tartan
I've been seeing others across Limitless.
molten oasis
Bundle managing 4th is impressive
lofty tartan
Screens Mirai is getting a lot of attention
jade dust
I'm just wondering why so many Tera Electric while running Earthquake and tera I...
Well cress has levitate and the rest I just don’t terra electric with swamptert around
molten oasis
Screens in general is getting tons of attention I feel, screens Mirai is cool tho
solid frigate
Screens in general is getting tons of attention I feel, screens Mirai is cool th...
agreed
molten oasis
Screens terapagos is probably the thing I see most
lofty tartan
Well cress has levitate and the rest I just don’t terra electric with swamptert ...
I am aware of Cress having levitate.
solid frigate
anyways time to throw the first Mirai team into rentals
Not if that matters but fuck it we ball
lofty tartan
I like Screens Mirai.
solid frigate
Screens terapagos is probably the thing I see most
and Kyogre if its Shiliang's Formula
molten oasis
I like later parts of the format due to it being bulkier and I like bulky offense/bulky set up teams
Starts of formats are typically hyper offense
solid frigate
yea
molten oasis
Screens are cool I’ve always liked screens
jade dust
I'm just wondering why so many Tera Electric while running Earthquake and tera I...
With Magnezone I had no idea what Terra to use so I just left it at that lmao
solid frigate
Screens are cool I’ve always liked screens
same,i like Balance Teams more
jade dust
Terra ice caly is for powerful glacial lance
lofty tartan
With Magnezone I had no idea what Terra to use so I just left it at that lmao
Please stop pinging me about your team.
molten oasis
I wouldn’t suggest using magnezone or swampert when raging bolt and urshifu exist but ok
lofty tartan
I've been seeing Iron Treads pop up with Mirai on ladder recently. It's funny.
I wouldn't take it to a tournament, but it's funny.
solid frigate
I've been seeing Iron Treads pop up with Mirai on ladder recently. It's funny.
the boi finally seen some play lol
molten oasis
I wouldn’t either but that’s interesting
I’d consider taking snow to a limitless tournament, it’s decent anti meta
I just wish a9 was better than it is
molten oasis
Im thinking of someone else then
lofty tartan
That's why it's Tommy Tuesdays xD
solid frigate
i do like it,Milotic is interesting
molten oasis
My brain is not braining
solid frigate
My brain is not braining
it happens
lofty tartan
molten oasis
That’s interesting tho
solid frigate
would the Kyurem team giving you brain freeze kek
lofty tartan
It's neat. I sorta would prefer like.. Dark Ursh there over Rapid Strike because you're looking at 2 ice types and 2 water types
molten oasis
Not that I want to run coil hypnosis milotic
lofty tartan
There's some walling going on with that.
molten oasis
Haven’t ever been a fan of it
Interesting to say the least
Tera fairy is neat for it
I like fire more personally but I see the appeal of fairy
For Kyurem
solid frigate
agree
next stump
good morning
solid frigate
mornin
lofty tartan
good morning
Morning. Sometime you and I should talk a little about Caly-I if you ever get some free time 
Thinking about running it in my local next week.
molten oasis
I need to finish ev training
lofty tartan
Or Ev training finishes you
solid frigate
I'll post the Miraidon Team in Rentals today and this time I'll do it simpler
molten oasis
Anyway
solid frigate
meanwhile listening to Stardust Speedway Bad future lol
molten oasis
jade dust
I wouldn’t suggest using magnezone or swampert when raging bolt and urshifu exis...
I needed wide guard but bolt is a fair point
It’s slow even
molten oasis
Pelipper then
next stump
Morning. Sometime you and I should talk a little about Caly-I if you ever get s...
I’m always happy to 🙂 If I had to guess, I probably have 1000+ games on Caly-I
it’s basically the only restricted I’ve played
mighty stump
I’m always happy to 🙂 If I had to guess, I probably have 1000+ games on Caly-I
GL for your match
next stump
thank you 🙂
junior patrol
Chi yu is pretty common
What moves and stuff should I run on Chi Yu
molten oasis
heat wave dark pulse overheat and then snarl or tera blast depending on your tera
lofty tartan
I’m always happy to 🙂 If I had to guess, I probably have 1000+ games on Caly-I
Yeah uhh I'll be around for a bit, but I'll be getting a nap soon when the wife gets up, if you wanna just go over a few simple things today lol
molten oasis
sash and scarf can run 252 spA 252 spe timid if sash modest if scarf
bold geode
Love the dude, he also be doing weird shit
Last tour of his I was in he was using Mewtwo
charred saddle
i just had a dream
like literal dream from my nap, about using sashed watershifu 
and i won
its the sign.
ill make a team with it
bold geode
its the sign.
ill make a team with it
That's how you know it's a dream, cuz you won 
molten oasis
like literal dream from my nap, about using sashed watershifu <:Gladge:104348032...
a sign of the gods
charred saddle
wow whats that button. geee i wonder
bold geode
wow whats that button. geee i wonder
Seems like a funny button 
charred saddle
yeah agreed
and u know what tofu said about the funny button?
"click the funny button"
bold geode
Hehehe funny button clicking
bold geode
<:Nyehehehe:1261598770697732136>
Wtf is that emote 
solid frigate
gonna take a break from making rental
junior patrol
heat wave dark pulse overheat and then snarl or tera blast depending on your ter...
What about the evs?
mighty stump
@next stump ggs nice game
molten oasis
sash and scarf can run 252 spA 252 spe timid if sash modest if scarf
@junior patrol
junior patrol
<@234399473013489664>
Ah didn't see it at first thanks!
gentle cragBOT
Ah didn't see it at first thanks!
.octoknight03 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
next stump
<@197813560997314562> ggs nice game
thank you ❤️ I think he had a really hard matchup
gentle cragBOT
thank you ❤️ I think he had a really hard matchup
mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
next stump
also in case you didn't see, here's at least the 6 that Gio used with snorlax
solid frigate
also in case you didn't see, here's at least the 6 that Gio used with snorlax
honestly seeing Mirai Bundle at top 4 gives me Early Reg G Meta vibes
mighty stump
also in case you didn't see, here's at least the 6 that Gio used with snorlax
I SAW I used something basically similar but with H-Arc over Incin
I’m so curious what the OTS is
little plank
I see the turtle has fallen
I always like the idea of using ursaluna and lunala together but I'm always so bad at piloting the team
mighty stump
People sleeping on Pagos again
polar canyon
Lunala in second is huge
They should make a pokemon based on the 2024 brainrot roblox chicken nugget
Why does cornerstone ogerpon feel so menacing now while it just was mid in previous regulations
knotty mirage
People sleeping on Pagos again
I mean the turtle is kinda hard to use unlike the horses 
knotty mirage
Damn it still feels sucks paying 25$ for SV DLC but the better restricted is on other games DLC
polar canyon
Can we still say calyrex is the objectively best pokemon in the game or have people figured out enough counterplay for it
I mean in a way
mighty stump
I mean the turtle is kinda hard to use unlike the horses <:SadMimi:6695004539558...
Its so easy
Plus it beats the horses
polar canyon
How much counter play figuring-out a pokemon requires also says something about how objectively strong it is
knotty mirage
I mean yeah but it still kinda tera reliant tho
mighty stump
Zama is the only negative MU for Pagos restricted wise and I stand by that
polar canyon
I played terapagos a lot recently and I can say it's not easier than the horses but is pretty easy
knotty mirage
And i don't think most people can actually use the tera right
mighty stump
I mean yeah but it still kinda tera reliant tho
Are we still using this as a reason this late into gen 9 tho
polar canyon
I myself struggle a little with mirrors and caly ice but that says more about my own piloting than the pokemon
knotty mirage
Can we still say calyrex is the objectively best pokemon in the game or have peo...
Probably not there 2 ver of caly and if you hard focus trying to counter one of them the chance of you beating the other one is low
mighty stump
Like particularly with Pagos you’re meant to utilise it’s non-Tera and Tera form together
polar canyon
Remember that starstorm actually has more single target damage pre tera
I wanna say they should have fixed that but honestly idk if terapagos needs more buffs
Actually I feel like they should in fact buff terapagos
mighty stump
Hell no
polar canyon
There's a reason I think it would be fair to make it the strongest
It's gonna be terrible in all following generations
knotty mirage
I don't think i want to see another kind of swsh zacian again
polar canyon
Because there's not gonna be tera for its tera form
mighty stump
It’s still solid as a base mon and I’ll stand by that
Normal typing is good as hell, Tera Starstorm is a no drawback 120 BP move
Thinking about it, Zacian has a 100 BP move that has no secondary effect since Dmax isn’t around
polar canyon
So does zama
bold geode
Terapagos will be good, just not AS good without terastallization of course unless they somehow rework it (probably won't)
I mean Zac and Zama have the same thing with their signature moves so like
It's not an uncommon thing
Hell Ogerpon will have same thing
polar canyon
Ogerpon is one I'm confident will still be good
I guess you're right
Pagos still looks good
Not like meta defining good without the tera gimmick but solid pick good still
bold geode
Terapagos will still be good too cuz like
Just Tera Shell itself
But yeah plus hell once again this point has been established so many times that it's crazy anyone still says it's tera reliant
It's actually weaker when it teras
You forget that spread attacks actually are weaker than single target unless there is only one target on the field
That's another reason why Pagos players go for Starstorm while not Terastallized
Cuz even though you're not doing spread damage, you're hitting the single target a little harder, therefore you have a higher chance of getting a KO you might need in that moment
misty helm
can someone explain why knock off is so good
mighty stump
Removing an item is a pretty good bonus especially when its something like a Berry, CA, Covert Cloak
Removing those items just increase Incineroar’s value massively
or any FO user
or whatever secondary effect you desire
Aside from being able to remove things like Rocky Helmet for something like your Urshifu
or Goggles for your Amoonguss
Items are a key part of a Pokemon’s set/role fulfilment and being able to directly influence that: It’s obviously good
calm gulch
Terapagos will still be good too cuz like
Just Tera Shell itself
#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
misty helm
but I also feel like it has diminishing levels of follow up damage so is it naturally strong enough to ohko a decent amount on pokemon with good attack
chrome knot
3-1 at cup but im defo the bottom of the 3-1s so im prob bubbling
next stump
but I also feel like it has diminishing levels of follow up damage so is it natu...
you're not using it for damage in most instances, it's a utility move
misty helm
you're not using it for damage in most instances, it's a utility move
okay so would crunch be better as a damage move
next stump
what pokemon are you using it on
misty helm
roaring moon
next stump
are you talking about singles or doubles
misty helm
singles with the attack slightly lower than speed so it can get plus speed of booster energy
I'm also rolling with dragon dance
next stump
220 Atk Roaring Moon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 236 HP / 44 Def Gholdengo: 168-200 (87.5 - 104.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
vs.
220 Atk Roaring Moon Crunch vs. 236 HP / 44 Def Gholdengo: 140-168 (72.9 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
just a random calc of one of the dark weak pokemon I can think of from singles
If you're 2 shotting something, Knock Off is always better
If you're aiming to KO in one hit, Knock Off will always do more damage than Crunch on that first hit
It only loses out in 3 hit KO scenarios but those are rare
misty helm
okay thanks for the advice
chrome knot
3-1 at cup but im defo the bottom of the 3-1s so im prob bubbling
bubbled at 5th…
chrome knot
me af bruh
torn parrot
My adhd really likes teams where there’s less to think about
rustic mountain
4 csr, 4 kyogre, 4 miraidon, 3 cir and 1 koraidon in top 16 for vr tour
whole ibex
also in case you didn't see, here's at least the 6 that Gio used with snorlax
Is it curse lax?
whole ibex
I just wish a9 was better than it is
Yeah it losing to some of the restricteds is a yikes
whole ibex
I wouldn’t suggest using magnezone or swampert when raging bolt and urshifu exis...
Iirc Swampert has wide gaurd and yawn but I still agree.
bold geode
Brother you is backtrackin lol
solid frigate
kek
crystal pecan
Do people still play sword and shield competitive
bold geode
Not really
Well might be a scarce few, but idt you'll be able to get advice for it here tbh
modern cliff
Is this team good? https://pokepast.es/3a5ac01fcae0a892 or this one https://pokepast.es/7869426d31f23f23
foggy lodge
Where's the restricted
modern cliff
I’m just asking what one is better
foggy lodge
none lol
Idk how Archaludon would work without rain and Baxcalibur just seems to struggle in this meta
solid frigate
New Tech
foggy lodge
252+ Inci
modern cliff
Comp teams are new to me that’s why I’m asking the best of the best Aegis
craggy dagger
molten oasis
bronze vessel
how should i build my alolan raichu
bold geode
<:RobinLurk:1220551545633112165>
Hai Nova
solid frigate
pat the nova
bold geode
I did
solid frigate
gud
bold geode
And gave hugs
solid frigate
same
craggy dagger
how should i build my alolan raichu
achu isn’t in the best place right now in the meta but i’m sure we can find something to work
for starters lots of people run achu next to miraidon cause of surge surfer
bronze vessel
achu isn’t in the best place right now in the meta but i’m sure we can find some...
doesnt matter if its meta tho i just like to build pokemon that appeal to me
bold geode
achu isn’t in the best place right now in the meta but i’m sure we can find some...
You can fix this 
solid frigate
how should i build my alolan raichu
well its not the best set possible but i use it in a draft League so its still experimental
Raichu-Alola @ Life Orb
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Reflect
- Psychic Noise
- Electroweb
- Fake Out
craggy dagger
You can fix this <:Elmo:1079140534200844298>
well the stuff i build isn’t necessarily good-
i know a few people who tried to pilot teams i’ve made and flipped hard
bronze vessel
well its not the best set possible but i use it in a draft League so its still e...
thank you
solid frigate
its not the best set tho
bronze vessel
doesnt matter
craggy dagger
well its not the best set possible but i use it in a draft League so its still e...
tera electric electro ball is better in this term cause it’s super fast and electro ball scales off speed
solid frigate
but it did it's job in draft league well so why not
solid frigate
tera electric electro ball is better in this term cause it’s super fast and elec...
fair point
craggy dagger
solid frigate
<:blondenekogiggle:931904537890025504>
bronze vessel
so replace electro web with electro ball?
foggy lodge
how should i build my alolan raichu
Raichu-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Fake Out
- Nuzzle
- Protect
foggy lodge
This builds are for VGC (doubles)
solid frigate
in Delibird Presents
bronze vessel
in Delibird Presents
oh thanks
craggy dagger
Raichu-Alola (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric/Fairy/Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draining Kiss/Tera Blast/Psyshock
- Electro Ball/Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch/Electroweb
- Protect
gentle cragBOT
oh thanks
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1720988052:R>.
solid frigate
plus Both sets are good but mine is more tune for Speed Control
solid frigate
there we go-
thats my set that i'd run
craggy dagger
i guess it all depends on how you wanna run achu
solid frigate
mhm
craggy dagger
Raichu-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost...
though one thing i'd change on this is maybe add some bulk instead since you're not doing too much damage with nuzzle
bronze vessel
what should replace nuzzle?
craggy dagger
anything tbh
but do you know how you wanna play achu?
bronze vessel
nope just caught it cuz its shiny was cool and rlly wanted it
craggy dagger
like would you play achu to pick up KO's and be an attacker or more of a supportive set
bronze vessel
support
craggy dagger
Raichu-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost...
then i'd run this set since its fake out flinch and nuzzle para support
bronze vessel
is fake out and nuzzle a level up move?
egg move...
i really
REALLY
REAAAAAAAALLLY
HATE EGG MOVES
craggy dagger
fake out is an egg move iirc
but nuzzle should be in remember moves
bronze vessel
what can replace fake out
craggy dagger
but it should be fine
you can just mirror herb it
bronze vessel
whats a mirror herb?
craggy dagger
have a pokemon that naturally gains fake out and forget a move on achu (so achu has 3 moves) holding mirror herb
Then you can picnic and achu should have fake out
craggy dagger
thats what a mirror herb looks like
fickle veldt
incenroar
bronze vessel
so i put tinkaton and raichu in my party and then picnic while raichus holding mirror herb with 3 moves
craggy dagger
yes
bronze vessel
and then what it learns it in remember? or just gains it
bold geode
well the stuff i build isn’t necessarily good-
i know a few people who tried to ...
Make me a Zamazenta team, I'll use it
fickle veldt
mirror herb is easy to get but i think it learns through level up
craggy dagger
and then what it learns it in remember? or just gains it
it should just take the empty move slot that achu has
craggy dagger
mirror herb is easy to get but i think it learns through level up
????
bronze vessel
dollarmonke could u ask more nicely?
craggy dagger
fake out is also an egg move in incineroar iirc
fickle veldt
oh right
craggy dagger
dollarmonke could u ask more nicely?
no no its fine
hes just joking around 
bronze vessel
oh
fickle veldt
shiftry gets it through level up i believe
bronze vessel
i just rlly dont like ppl who ask things in that way without even saying please
craggy dagger
Make me a Zamazenta team, I'll use it
also no i cant cause im working on this team right now
https://pokepast.es/94f11455494699ec
bronze vessel
just demanding something
craggy dagger
yeah i understand that
fickle veldt
also no i cant cause im working on this team right now
https://pokepast.es/94f11...
why not put parabolic on miraidon
craggy dagger
why not put parabolic on miraidon
dont need it?
fickle veldt
ok
balmy glen
Parabolic is pretty bad in vgc tbh
fickle veldt
not tryna judge
bold geode
also no i cant cause im working on this team right now
https://pokepast.es/94f11...
Whaaaaaaaa
COME ON 
craggy dagger
base 65 that’s a spread can be detrimental in ways-
fickle veldt
what are the other three members
bold geode
Hey wassup Keanu
balmy glen
Sup
dapper crag
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craggy dagger
oh hey Keanu-
been doing well?
jade dust
Is there something like clear smoke that removes stat changes but isn’t poison
balmy glen
yes yes
craggy dagger
haze 
balmy glen
Is there something like clear smoke that removes stat changes but isn’t poison
Clear smog?
fickle veldt
haze?
jade dust
Something that works against Zamasenta
balmy glen
Haze
dapper crag
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