competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

mine is just Mirai,Pagos,Ogre

[nocturne holly]

peli shuts down groudon so easily

what’s your line into to it just curious

[shadow wind]

Thunder punch.

Also Gastrodon helps with that problem.

Hurricanes still hurt but less so.

[nocturne holly]

yea but it changes the weather too

[solid frigate]

i think its a nice idea tho

[shadow wind]

And?

[nocturne holly]

Yea it def is

[shadow wind]

Groudon doesn't use his stab in weather anyway.

Like they aren't linked like Kyogre.

[nocturne holly]

Can I see the team :3

[shadow wind]

Sure.

https://pokepast.es/13915afc8ee1cd5b

[solid frigate]

I'm cooking a Terapagos Sandy Shocks Team (Idk why lmao

[shadow wind]

Sounds funny.

[rich iron]

also guys let me go through the restricteds actually worth using in reg g: caly-s, caly-i, tera, zama, mirai (big jump in opportunity cost from zama to tera)., and then everything else is either pure and utter garbage or just not worth using'

[shadow wind]

I mean.

[nocturne holly]

Looks fun

[solid frigate]

Kyogre:

[shadow wind]

You can make almost any restricted work.

[solid frigate]

Zacian:

Koraidon:

[nocturne holly]

Zac is prob in that last

[solid frigate]

except for Well

Ahem Lugia

[shadow wind]

I mean it gets psych up.

[solid frigate]

well at least it got into day two so the sauce is real

[shadow wind]

Alolan Muk be like.

Groudon has not day 2'd.

Makes me sad.

But that doesn't stop me from using him.

[solid frigate]

i think it did make it to day two in indy i think

[shadow wind]

Also thanks!

Oh Matin, yeah.

[rich iron]

yeah but like if ur not using caly-s, caly-i, or tera, ur immediately making ur team so much worse. other restricteds like kyogre, zacian, and koraidon aren't bad, just not worth using when u have three mons who can click 120 base power spread moves drawbackless. zama's a good answer to some of these thanks to wide guard (also bp + id) and miraidon's stupid strong and technically does have a really powerful spread move in discharge.

[gentle crag]

galaxy02626 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[shadow wind]

He got 22nd that's true, that team is actually where I got that Gouging fire set.

Gen Rep, dope.

[solid frigate]

Kyogre,Zacian made into top 8 what do you want to imply

Even Koraidon is still formidable

[shadow wind]

I mean there is no definitive best restricted.

So it's all MU based in my opinion.

[solid frigate]

yeah it depends on opinions at the end of the day

[shadow wind]

And surprise factors do play massive roles.

[solid frigate]

top 8 is

Calyrex Shadow
Calyrex Ice
Miraidon
Terapagos
Zamazenta
Kyogre
Zacian
Koraidon

[shadow wind]

Even in OTS if you aren't familiar with some pokemon they might shock you.

[solid frigate]

depends honestly

[shadow wind]

Well in my case, Tera fire Latios was really really bad for me.

Weirdo mon but it sure did its job.

[solid frigate]

below Koraidon you have to play it very hard,Lunala i would say is a nice contender

[rich iron]

i'm not saying they can't work. they do work. i'm just saying that the gap between them and the big three spreaders is kinda big

[solid frigate]

its not really that big

[craggy dagger]

not true unfortunately

[solid frigate]

the Niche Queen kek

[shadow wind]

It is a shame that pokemon like Groudon have 85% accurate moves while stronger pokemon in Calyrexes have perfectly accurate moves.

[solid frigate]

i mean you have to pay 30 GBP or 40 Dollars soooo

[craggy dagger]

i would like to think that i’m the living proof that-
any restricted (including cosmog/cosmoem that’s a lie) work

[shadow wind]

So true.

[solid frigate]

and OTOT who uses Lugia for a fair amount of time

[shadow wind]

How is Groudon even ranked? Like in terms of the restricted tier list?

Cause I feel he catches way too much slack.

[solid frigate]

i think its Below Lunala and Maybe Dawn Wings

idk if its equal with Rayquaza

[shadow wind]

Heart break.

[craggy dagger]

groudon is fine but koraidon kinda stole groudon’s spotlight cause both set sun

[solid frigate]

i put it in top 10-top 11

[shadow wind]

Very true.

[craggy dagger]

while kyogre doesn’t really have any competitors for rain asides from pelipper

who’s not even a legend

[solid frigate]

and Koraidon isn't doing that well as expected to be

[shadow wind]

I'm still under the impression that Groudon > Koraidon.

[solid frigate]

its good but the results aren't as expected

[craggy dagger]

at this point in the meta yeah cause miraidon is seeing resurgence and ground > electric

[shadow wind]

Well the added physical bulk is a big help against things like Calyrex ice.

Ground is also just a very good type.

[solid frigate]

its great offensively

[shadow wind]

Ok, a ground type that is in the sun is a very good type.

[solid frigate]

so its kinda a pros for Groudon in restricteds

[craggy dagger]

but as a general sun setter, korai is kinda better imo since you’re faster and hit harder

[shadow wind]

True.

[craggy dagger]

also you can’t miss

[solid frigate]

the main issue is that Tera Fire is kinda a Double-Edged Sword if its against Rain

[shadow wind]

For Koraidon?

[craggy dagger]

tera fairy blast is what i run

[solid frigate]

Both Groudon and Koraidon

[craggy dagger]

fairy or electric blast korai…

[solid frigate]

i think its kinda not discovered yet

[craggy dagger]

idk why i run electric tera-
though it was only once

[shadow wind]

I've seen some tera water and grass Groudons and they seemed to do ok.

[solid frigate]

i mean i Ran Tera Fire Pelipper for no fucking reason

[shadow wind]

90 Spdef does hurt when going against 150+ Spatks.

[solid frigate]

like legit i used Tera Fire just because at least it still work in Sun

[craggy dagger]

fairy, steel, dark is what i’ve run in the last more often

[solid frigate]

all of them are very great defensive typing

[craggy dagger]

also steel to pop against fairies and ice rider at the same time

[autumn vault]

Why did i see this person with a hot ass take?

[solid frigate]

especially Dark is kinda underrated for Defensive

[autumn vault]

Not you Nova or Torrent

[solid frigate]

idk forget about it

[craggy dagger]

which one

[solid frigate]

Galaxy

[autumn vault]

The restricteds worth using

No Koraidon, Zac, Lunala, Groudon

[craggy dagger]

wait dynamax in pogo-

[shadow wind]

Groudon mentioned 🗣️

[autumn vault]

And you can argue even Kyurem-W but thats too hot of a take

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

Love me some Groudon.

[solid frigate]

wait w h a t

[craggy dagger]

it’s been teased in the official artwork

[solid frigate]

and no Kyogre

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

How would that work-

[autumn vault]

That too

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know-
they’re adding the fused light trio though

this weekend

[autumn vault]

Also, Groudon is slow

Which helps a lot in weather wars

[shadow wind]

Yes, yes he is.

[autumn vault]

Which is one thing it has over Koraidon

And a few others, like amazing physical bulk and spread move even if it's not super accurate

[craggy dagger]

i mean most of the time, korai tends to not need sun anyways from what i’ve seen

[shadow wind]

Exactly.

[autumn vault]

Koraidon without sun does less than Groudon

[shadow wind]

Also Koraidon relies on sun more than Groudon.

[craggy dagger]

i mean tbh

[autumn vault]

Yeah, Orichalcum Pulse needs Sun to get an attack boost

[craggy dagger]

all restrictefs have pros and cons

[autumn vault]

All of them do

[shadow wind]

Rock Paper Scissors.

[autumn vault]

Some more than others

[craggy dagger]

even those who share niches

[solid frigate]

ik that as well

[craggy dagger]

and even then, most of the shared niches have more niches to nitpick so we can’t quite say it’s better

[solid frigate]

tho i am gonna use Pogo for like

If i need that Legendary i will raid it

[craggy dagger]

ultimately-
it all depends on the person playing the team

[solid frigate]

exactly

[autumn vault]

True

[craggy dagger]

since we saw ho-oh reach top 8, articuno from the previous reg win an event

[autumn vault]

I mean a CSR can be shit if it's piloted by a noob

[craggy dagger]

yep

[autumn vault]

And it's like, the best restricted rn

[solid frigate]

well we know who

[craggy dagger]

me

[autumn vault]

I won't name anyone, but we really do know and its not you Nova

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know how to pilot csr

every single game i’ve played with it-
i’ve lost

[solid frigate]

i mean i pilot Zama so badly that i throw myself into my bed

[autumn vault]

Atleast you have good skill, unlike the one me and torrent are thinking about

[craggy dagger]

i know who you’re talking about but like

[solid frigate]

Kyogre is my best restricted rn

Miraidon and Terapagos in second and third

[craggy dagger]

i’m not too different when i try to pilot meta teams

so far, i’ve had the most success with mirai goltres

[shadow wind]

Piloting Groudon is literally just rolling dice.

[autumn vault]

Groudon, Kyurem-W and Kyogre are my best restricteds

[craggy dagger]

run it next to gravity sableye

[autumn vault]

A groudon team can still win even if the opponents have pelipper

[shadow wind]

That's boring.

I'M GAMBLING!!!

[autumn vault]

We have raging bolt and eleki

[autumn vault]

And also P-Blades

[shadow wind]

I mean I just use Tpunch.

Works most of the time.

[stark kindle]

Walleye

[solid frigate]

outside of Pagos

Miraidon and Kyogre have some Niche stuff

Miraidon+Iron Crown+Scarf Lando I
Kyogre+Wo Chiein+Iron Boulder

[shadow wind]

In my climbs today I got about average Pblade luck.

Groudon was feeling generous.

[solid frigate]

kyurem is gonna haunt in my nightmares-

[autumn vault]

Don't ask him why

[shadow wind]

I won't.

[solid frigate]

the funny thing is that

I only use one incin lel

in my main Teams

[shadow wind]

252+ speed?

[solid frigate]

i did not run Turbo incin

[shadow wind]

Thank goodness.

[bold geode]

Bro can you literally not fire shots at people for no fuckin reason

[craggy dagger]

goltres is fun to play though

[autumn vault]

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2158750976

[bold geode]

I swear toxic dumbasses like you is the reason why some people shy away from here

[autumn vault]

I wouldn't go that far tbh

People like you are the reason why i have these nasty anger issues

[craggy dagger]

goatres-

[autumn vault]

I'm done for the day

[craggy dagger]

both of you stop fighting

[pallid hare]

Whats all this about?

[bold geode]

Well maybe if you didn't make such smartass comments all the fuckin time, no one would get angry with you, you stupid fucker

[craggy dagger]

this was unnecessary-

[solid frigate]

tho its weird to look at but it make sense in a way

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres-Galar

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Berserk

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/90/100/125/90

Total

580

Base Species

Moltres

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

it’s decently bulky

[solid frigate]

oh damn

[bold geode]

Fuck people so fuckin stupid, can't even deal with this shit anymore
Bye y'all

[craggy dagger]

aww-
i’ll miss bestie

[solid frigate]

i forgot the stats are almost the same as Kanto Moltres

[pallid hare]

Monke went apeshit

[solid frigate]

welp

[autumn vault]

Sorry about that

Went a little far i will admit

But seriously what just happened

I wouldn't just go harrasing people like that

[molten oasis]

HAHAHAHAHA

[autumn vault]

It was funny ngl, but not so funny when i realized that i got worse RNG before because i missed Snarl twice in the same turn and it cost me the game

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna fight him again.

i am fucked

[autumn vault]

Yeah, i can see why

I won't make more comments, just want to chill and not cause anymore controversity

Especially after that Rage Quit Monke did

I think you can see for yourself

I wont add anything more

[foggy lodge]

uhhhh

Anyone wants to BO3?

[autumn vault]

Not now, it's quite late rn

[foggy lodge]

I know there is ladder but i'd like to have like a clear feedback about everything

[foggy lodge]

Yeah dw

Here is 4PM

[little plank]

This combo is disgusting, but I love it. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2159858514

[autumn vault]

I can see why

fast Calyrex Shadow Rider with abilities disabled but As one still being active is hilarious

[little plank]

If he would have put up tailwind turn one I would have been in trouble lol

Wasn't expecting the sash on tornados

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[little plank]

Although I think my caly may have lived atleast 1 good as gold but not the breaking storm after

Bleakwind

[solid frigate]

it happens.

[bold geode]

So.......

Pokemon

[solid frigate]

not gonna play any game today cuz i have the worst day of my life yet

[bold geode]

Uh oh

[solid frigate]

i broke up with my girlfriend and the Double Freeze twice in two days

[bold geode]

Damn sorry to hear about the gf

[solid frigate]

well i guess its a peaceful break up

i will still build teams but

not playing games

[bold geode]

Ok
Just take some time

[solid frigate]

don't worry,i will take a break after day two of the tournament i am in

[bold geode]

Oh

[solid frigate]

got into top 4 so yeah

can't step back now

[bold geode]

Pog

[solid frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1250087685603983380/1258514767295811726/hsr-honkai-star-rail.gif

[modern harbor]

if im running no SpA whimsicott should i even have an attacking move? i could just replace with taunt or something

[next stump]

why no SpA?

[bold geode]

Yeah Whims usually wants Sash anyways so max spatk max speed is fine

[rustic mountain]

randbats can be so heat. jus swept w/ a scrafty then clawitzer

[nocturne holly]

I fw that

[plain drum]

Real

[bold geode]

Mr Tree

[rustic mountain]

haha yea especially cuz they jus rnt good in vgc

[dapper crag]

Move: Glacial Lance

No additional effect.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

[nocturne holly]

Wasn’t it 130 in swsh

[rustic mountain]

yea it got nerfed

[nocturne holly]

yea I see 130 spread no drawbacks and thing that’s fair

[foggy lodge]

With the trade of now being able to use CA lol

[rustic mountain]

$90 move

u get wat u pay for

[nocturne holly]

I don’t fw this

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

wha

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu water is the number 1 pokemon rn?

Like in terms of usage

[rustic mountain]

prolly

[nocturne holly]

Yea p su4e

[rustic mountain]

b/w that incin and rilla

[bold geode]

Once again I'm glad I don't tell irls about Discord interactions
They'd think I was on illegal substances if I was like "yeah I'm a monkey that talks to a tree and some tofu"

[nocturne holly]

I think it’s been teeter tottering between incin and shifu

[rustic mountain]

i mean i dont think its hard to understand usernames

[nocturne holly]

WAIT IS IT LIKE THE POKEKON

[rustic mountain]

dude

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/treecko.gif

[rustic mountain]

yes

[solid frigate]

my brain after some kind of Alarm ringing the heck out of the entire house:

[rustic mountain]

[nocturne holly]

WOAHHH

ngl I thought it was like a company or shi

that shi did not click for me

[plain drum]

You have gained experience and skill

[rustic mountain]

it reads as 1 and is pronounced the same as the mon, double entendre shit

[nocturne holly]

Real

[nocturne holly]

woah we got fucking jay z over here

[rustic mountain]

jay z and lupe be doing like triples and shit

[foggy lodge]

Anyways what would be the best way to improve mental lol

[bold geode]

I wanna say a Jay Z joke I can't say

[rustic mountain]

[nocturne holly]

Not play lmao

[foggy lodge]

lol

I mean it would work but i know that in a tournament just not playing doesn't work

[rustic mountain]

i mean its a game at the end of the day, realizing that and not getting too hung up on it

can still take it serious but gotta know when and where to draw that line wen ur tilting

and if ur losing and getting mad at that, might have to take a step back and re evaluate yourself and what you want out of playing

is it using underused mons just b/c and mostly having fun or like is winning fun and u wanna actually look towards improving your skill

once you determine that, its easier to know your intention while your playing and act accordingly. if ur more serious, gta save replays and realize what you can do better, if your team isnt giving you the resources to win, gotta think of changing things around there

cause most of yalls frustration, or frustration for anyone in a competitive space generally is losing/not performing well

and sometimes just recognizing hey its late/im tired or whatever im not playing up to my standard lemme jus chill. ive had that happen so many times

[craggy dagger]

meow-
wise words from tree

[nocturne holly]

Fr

[solid frigate]

adopt the cat

[craggy dagger]

me-?

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

i’d be a shitty cat to be around-
i wouldn’t shut up and annoy the heck out of you

[solid frigate]

i mean i seen worse,i'm fine lel

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

tbh thanks dude

[bold geode]

FINE I'LL FEED YOU DAMN IT

[modern harbor]

i have chien pao w sash

[bold geode]

You sure you don't just want Tornadus then?

[foggy lodge]

Covert Cloak Whimsi?

[modern harbor]

was thinking covert cloak or watev its called

[solid frigate]

We feeding Nova cuz she being cat

[solid frigate]

it can work but idk

[foggy lodge]

What was the whole team?

[foggy lodge]

Normally if you can't run Sash Whimsi you just play Tornadus

[modern harbor]

https://pokepast.es/04a7ee9dd06a0f80

[rustic mountain]

i remember some ppl running bulky whims in swsh

[foggy lodge]

Tornadus is better

[rustic mountain]

prolly some ppl now too if u have light screen as well

[foggy lodge]

Rain dance to help Zama with fire weakness and boost Urshifu's damage output

[bold geode]

Yeah Torn would be a bit better here ngl

[modern harbor]

kk

[solid frigate]

covert Cloak whims has some usage and its not that bad but

Yeah Torn is better in Zama Teams

Not as good as Peli but still

[rustic mountain]

its all about pelipper

[modern harbor]

MANNN I SPENT LIKE 2 DAYS MASUDA COTTONEE LMAO

[rustic mountain]

i mean u can still use it

[modern harbor]

ik!

[rustic mountain]

also y not just outbreak hunt it?

[bold geode]

Only thing I see Whims really doing here is helping against Koraidon a bit

[modern harbor]

no dlc

[solid frigate]

there are other teams that Whims benefit it

Like Miraidon and Terapagos

[rustic mountain]

nd then they tera fire and u cry

[rustic mountain]

ahhh gotcha

[modern harbor]

i was thinking of running full support on it

jus like tailwind taunt encore protect or something

[bold geode]

At least you get the Tera burned
I also try to have something to abuse said tera

[foggy lodge]

How bad is Calm Mind Raging + Whimsicott Taunt + Encore in a team with Indeedee female

[modern harbor]

maybe light screen

[foggy lodge]

Because in another server someone posted a rental with those 3 xd

[solid frigate]

still workable depends on the other 3

[foggy lodge]

Caly Shadow Clefairy and i don't remember the third

[modern harbor]

doesnt indeedee f and prankster kinda conflict

[foggy lodge]

It does

[solid frigate]

ok yeah it does not work

[foggy lodge]

And the Raging was the calm mind variant from reg F

[solid frigate]

unless the opponent is levitating

[foggy lodge]

The one that only uses tclap and d pulse

[solid frigate]

i guess bolt and maybe Whims work

but With Indeedee it does NOT Work.

[rustic mountain]

ideally yea, but i agree that torn def a better option there for that kind of team

idk if its enough jus for koraidon haha where yea u bait out the tera but then wat its jus flame charging u in the face and has speed control w/ flutter and prio w/ like bolt

ideally w/ sun teams u either wanna outpace and outdamage or just neutralize/ override the weather completely

[foggy lodge]

ohh someone here plays Koraidon?

Because i've been having problems against that MU and i'm p sure it's just a skill issue from me xe

[rustic mountain]

nah monke was jus saying like whims on that team could be good into like just koraidon

[solid frigate]

quite a bit of Randoms in here play Korai and Sour Cigar

i mean its not a skill issue for me,I have legit weak against Korai so yea

[foggy lodge]

The thing is that i play Zama lol

It's wide guard tho so i don't have the ID set up

[solid frigate]

fair point

[rustic mountain]

pelipper?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

should def help u in that mu

[foggy lodge]

Wait here is the team

[rustic mountain]

walls koraidon completely

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/532c9ea446ea1c1f

[solid frigate]

i don't think it has an Issue

[rustic mountain]

idk if i love volc there

but team seems fine, jus an iteration of esam and keanus

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i replaced Latios with Volc to help with the Zama mirrors and Caly Ice match up

[rustic mountain]

i think pelipper got replaced by chandelure tho and p sure the volc was a ttar

[foggy lodge]

Has been carrying me against those two actually lol

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i saw that variant

[rustic mountain]

y do u need volc to help ur caly ice mu, zama has a favorable mu into it

[foggy lodge]

Mainly it was for the zama mirror but it worked for Caly Ice too

[rustic mountain]

i mean wisp sure but im not sure y it was a problem for u prior

[balmy glen]

moment

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna just

Miraidon moment

[balmy glen]

Change Rilla to tera grass

[molten oasis]

Miraidon deez nuts

Rilla wants Tera grass if miracle seed or band

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-vgc-violet-electric-terrain-gif-12584623631968381813

[balmy glen]

I only ran tera fire on my Rilla because nobody knew the rillaboom banded calcs already

Which honestly helped Michael even more when he brought it to Stockholm cuz nobody knew tera grass banded calcs after that 💀

[molten oasis]

I’d just assume that was what you’d want for band

[rustic mountain]

tera grass band hurts

[molten oasis]

Ohkoing things with glide is funny

[foggy lodge]

ohhh

[plain drum]

Okay this animation is rad though

[rustic mountain]

whats funnier is band was actually pretty common in swsh. people forgot

[foggy lodge]

I ran tera fire because of burn but tera grass seems to help more with the HO playstyle

[solid frigate]

bro just

Set the Earth Ablaze

(Miraidon turns stuff into Ash)

[balmy glen]

the point of the team is not too switch much and just setup your win con your opponent doesn’t know in the back which is what the Michaels and I are really good at

[craggy dagger]

what-

[rustic mountain]

yea tera fire for av makes sense but maximizin ur damage and getting that burst of koing something can be so crucial

[craggy dagger]

[rustic mountain]

w/ the tera grass

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

i ran banded rilla in swsh for a bit and always called it and urshifu the boys in the back cuz i mostly had them there for after dmax phantasm drops from spectrier

nd they jus cleaned up

usually had clef spectrier lead

[foggy lodge]

Maybe with that tera grass i could kill the Terapagos i lost against this morning

87% with wood hammer against a Terapagos through tera shell

[balmy glen]

U lost to terapagos?

[foggy lodge]

Yikes

[solid frigate]

you WHAT

wait wait wait HOLD UP

[balmy glen]

That teams pretty favorable against terapagos

[rustic mountain]

i think ur having trouble w/ mus u shouldnt be, terapagos and caly ice arent favorable into zama generally

[foggy lodge]

yeah

It has been the only tho

[balmy glen]

Yeah I’d consider like 80-90% of the Terapagos Caly ice teams to be auto wins

[rustic mountain]

yea like obviously its not a guarantee but if ur same skill level or close, im goin w. the zama player

[balmy glen]

Of course there’s iterations that makes it harder but ye

U guys can try safeguard on Goltres if your struggling to amoongus I recommended that to a couple people

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Stellar in Grassy Terrain: 97-115 (36.3 - 43%) -- 98.5% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Ok thats gonna be specs Pagos if it does that much through wood Hammer

[balmy glen]

on my hand though I’ve just been out positioning tbh

[solid frigate]

wait nvm

hold on

[rustic mountain]

me getting taunted from a rilla on an iteration of ur team so my incin couldnt wisp the zama (flipside tech to counter the ghost tera wisp stuff lol)

[modern harbor]

what item does torn run?

cloak?

[rustic mountain]

sash, cloak

rocky helmet in the past

[balmy glen]

Dodge taunt ezpz

[modern harbor]

and should i go fast or bulky

[rustic mountain]

haha if only, i got em the next go around

[balmy glen]

Nah but fr tho if they have to bring rillaboom and amoongus into you it should be an auto win

[rustic mountain]

fast usually better

[balmy glen]

Faster the better

I run max speed torn on every team tbh

[modern harbor]

and still some HP right

[nocturne holly]

Yea you can probably calc to live an astral barrage with 252 spe I think

Or mystic water ss

Depends on what you want

[molten oasis]

I like bulky torn for balance teams

[bold geode]

You were like "I'd be meowing as an annoying cat" and I was like "fine I'll feed you damn it"

[molten oasis]

Like very bulky torn

I am a fan of bulky torn personally

[bold geode]

What's good Keanu

[nocturne holly]

I like max spe with bulk

[polar canyon]

Man

I was kinda excited about going to the irl event in town tomorrow

But I have to be actually responsible

But I have like 3 or 4 exams next week so I either have the team ready in time or study

[nocturne holly]

Study lol

tbh it’s up to you none of us know how proficient you are

Amoonguss is the best fucking thing ever

[torn parrot]

i love this zacian weezing team my friend made

its very fun

we made dog teams together

i came back for a little bit to play some reg g before it disapears

[nocturne holly]

I fw cir

[chrome knot]

i almost won a tcg local

[foggy lodge]

uh great

Which deck did you play?

[chrome knot]

gardevoir

got 3rd bc 2 of my resistance were bottom 2

r4 i beat the 3-0 as a 2-1 lmao

[nocturne holly]

Bo3 anyone

[foggy lodge]

Still a good place, congrats

Tcg seems interesting but i don't think i would play it

[foggy lodge]

Are you still able?

[nocturne holly]

Yea I’m down
Showdown tho

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

My nick is maxiHD

[chrome knot]

if i had better resistance i won

[nocturne holly]

Sent

@foggy lodge I disconnected gameb2

good game 1 tho
Zam is mad annoying

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i saw xd

Ots or nah?

[nocturne holly]

sure please 😭😭

I’m getting cooked
One more please

[azure ether]

wait what? I thought those "lv 49 to underspeed" strats don't work anymore because they get auto lveled to 50

[cyan smelt]

Tofu's just saying you need to level up to 50 for hypertraining

[azure ether]

yea that's what I was saying

if your mons already have good IVs under lv 50, then there's no real reason to lv it up no?

[cyan smelt]

Pretty much

[azure ether]

apart from them learning important moves

[nocturne holly]

@foggy lodge gg

those were pretty eye opening

[foggy lodge]

ggs!

[nocturne holly]

Zama is mad annoying
Tbh I was playing shit
Wide guard doesn’t even block me hh into zama does so much

[foggy lodge]

tbh you had a pretty horrible match up

[nocturne holly]

I needa be really careful into that zama mu

[foggy lodge]

This team eats Caly Ice alive

[nocturne holly]

I still played shit

yea the goltres and zama lead is nice cuz I can’t Tera incin freely

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

I forgot to save the replays damn

[mighty stump]

No like

I;m pretty sure now in SV you don't get auto'd to 50

Like in SwSh, you can be whatever level and you'd be set

Idk if they changed it, but I distinctly remember when it wasn't set

for SV

[cyan smelt]

Wait so they won't adjust a Pokemon's level to 50 if it's underlevelled?

[mighty stump]

Yea that;s what I last remember

Cause e.g. I never level Whimsicott

[cyan smelt]

Weird

[mighty stump]

Since it's basically battle ready from the get-go

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 468: Togekiss

Types

Fairy/Flying

Abilities

Hustle, Serene Grace, Super Luck (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/50/95/120/115/80

Total

545

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

Ability: Super Luck

This Pokemon's critical hit ratio is raised by 1 stage.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[bold geode]

Idek if you're still here but good to see you again lol

[azure ether]

I've just been lurking and browsing for teams to use in our local league

and so far Lyco's Specs Pagos has been giving my team important wins

[torn parrot]

This gen taught me why people hate smeargle

I really hate dealing with fake out wide guard spore follow me and random 2x speed all at once

[azure ether]

I can only imagine the chaos when it was still allowed to use Dark Void

[cyan smelt]

at least it doesn't have dark void anymore

[bold geode]

Lol
You see any of my Zamazenta stuff or even Rayquaza?

[azure ether]

I saw Rayquaza but it was too spicy for me to pilot lmao

[bold geode]

Lmao

[azure ether]

I can't confidently use Zama since it didn't have the mandatory piloting notes

[bold geode]

Huh

[azure ether]

I have a scheduled match in like 1.5 hrs and I'm running the specs turtle team for the 4th straight week

[rustic mountain]

id c team u so hard

(i wouldnt)

[mighty stump]

Comfort is more important than trying to c-team with something you're not familiar with

[rustic mountain]

well i wasnt suggesting they c team, moreso making a joke that u def leave urself open to that in team league if u keep running the same team. can work if ur just that good with it but generally good to mix it up

[modern harbor]

what does torn wanna ohko?

[rustic mountain]

torn really isnt a ohko pokemon

[modern harbor]

torn runs protect tho right? i wanna fit rain dance on for zama but i also kinda want taunt

[rustic mountain]

its there as a speed control enabler via tw, weather control thru sunny day/rain dance and in some niche cases snowscape and stuff like taunt to stop things like tr, set up and status. bleakwind is really just there for chip and potential speed drops

u could do like protect/tw/bleakwind/rain dance

[modern harbor]

im jus trying to figure out EVs, i got it calc'd to live 140SpA shadow rider's astral barrage, but that leaves only 80SpA

[modern harbor]

This is what i hav rn

[azure ether]

yea I was already expecting to get countered last week but the team just works, I guess

[modern harbor]

*specs 140SpA

[rustic mountain]

i mean if u keep winning go for it, jus something u leave urself more susceptible towards

i personally dont like c teaming but thats just me, i see the merit in it tho

[rustic mountain]

why specs csr specifically?

is it something ur running into a lot?

[modern harbor]

someone told me to maybe have it live caly and that was one of the defaults on showdown calc site

idk should i calc for non specs?

[rustic mountain]

sd default spreads are kinda cheeks tbh

[azure ether]

I'd calc for Nasty Plot variants

[rustic mountain]

ur better jus doing 252/252/4 and go from there if u dont have much experience wat u wanna calc for

can adjust as u go/play more w/ the team

[mighty stump]

O no defo

But theres no harm in being a one trick if youre confident

[modern harbor]

problem is i dont have dlc so no reset mochi

[rustic mountain]

yea i agree

[rustic mountain]

theres the ev reducing berries u can gather

only auction house for base game iirc tho

also i was moreso talking showdown for that

ud ideally test a team there before doing the work of building it in game

actually see it works/can generate wins consistently

[modern harbor]

theyre on ground but collecting 51 of them sucks

[modern harbor]

if theres anything ive noticed ab showdown its that it has a completely different meta and people play different than on ladder

i dont play showdown 😭

https://pokepast.es/482596102be8897e

this is what im working with right now, but i dont know how to build Farigiraf, and im looking for feedback on how the EV spreads look :)

also not sure on tera types

[rustic mountain]

yea ah has like 50+ of em at once so keep a lookout

sd meta can be different then cart sure but also depends where ur at. low ladder is the wild west but theres def converging metas at some points. really the biggest difference would be na/europe being more on sd and japan being more on cart

[charred saddle]

i think like high up in both ladder and sd the teams are meta

all the weird stuff are usually at low-mid

but its more prevalent in sd since u basically can just throw in anything and revise it

unlike cart where u need to actually use resource

[rustic mountain]

i prefer cart but sometimes its easy jus to go on sd and play

and yea sometimes i wanna see if something works or get a good understanding of a team if im yoinking it before expending said resources for building it in game. sd is clutch for that

[modern harbor]

can you reset market? i thought i remember being able to

[charred saddle]

huh

u mean the auction in the game?

yeah u can

i think u need to close the game and skip a day in the switch tho

[modern harbor]

ahhh have to close game?

[charred saddle]

i think so yeah

dont remember how to do it, since the DLC item printer gave out most resources that i need

unless ur looking for item specifics for pokemon like the mirror or like splicers

[balmy glen]

anyone here got a 0atk blursa i can borrow for my local 😭

[mighty stump]

@balmy glen I think I have a 1-2 atk IV

[chrome knot]

forgot i cant say that here but

offer stands lmk

[balmy glen]

got one from someone ty yall tho

i pulled an all nighter just to make my team in game

[bold geode]

Morning Tofu

[mighty stump]

Uh

Morning

I’ve figured out a new team

[balmy glen]

i need to grind in game for worlds dam

[chrome knot]

just give me ur damn mons for it

problem solved

[dapper crag]

anyone know a way to get rising voltage on my alolan raichu?

[Latest Gen] Raichu-Alola

Rising Voltage

• when transferred from Generation 8

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[chrome knot]

mirror herb

[dapper crag]

i tried mirror herb

it doesn’t work for me 😓

[torn parrot]

Regigigas in this format feels like I’m playing double restricted

Very fun

[nocturne holly]

Who are you pairing it with

[torn parrot]

Pairing with weezing and zacian

It’s pretty cool

[nocturne holly]

Zac goes hard

[torn parrot]

Was just reusing a team my friend and I worked on at the beginning of reg G

[torn parrot]

I agree guy is powerful

[nocturne holly]

Are you running Tera blast set

[torn parrot]

Nah just going standard sacred sword behemoth blade and play rough

Fuck play miss tho ):

[nocturne holly]

I was running sd over sacred
Tbh I rarely clicked pr cuz the miss is so catastrophic

b blade deletes everything after an sd tho

[torn parrot]

Sacred kinda went crazy for me cus of zamazenta

[nocturne holly]

Fair

My cir team is so fucking weak to wide guard zama

[torn parrot]

Oh yeah I can imagine

[nocturne holly]

Yea like 50-75% to resists

[torn parrot]

I expect zacian to kill things even on resisted

Yeye

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/747cea5ffd1be3cc Any ideas on what my line into wide guard zama is? I try to rage powder it with amoonguss and taunt with incin but it usually Tera grasses and ohkos incin before I can taunt it. And since it’s Tera grass and wide guarding csr can’t do a lot to it

Maybe I could fake out tr with for and then it moves first

[bold geode]

Wide Guard is priority

[nocturne holly]

Yea but it stops it from taking out incin with bp before I can taunt

[bold geode]

Yeah I kinda feel like that's your option
However I think more Taunt Incin's are the Jolly variety

[nocturne holly]

Jolly incin still doesn’t outspeed sama right

[bold geode]

No, it's just a common thing

[nocturne holly]

mhm

Wait why am I adamant 😭😭

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/d5vC9b66iGg?si=1xYBvwQxAnl2nktT

[mighty stump]

You should try Stellar Tera Blast Zac

[mighty stump]

If faster: Taunt. Slower: Wisp

[molten oasis]

The classic

[little plank]

Lmao

This ending though https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160263511

[zinc totem]

https://youtu.be/d5vC9b66iGg?si=4lsigdodXegTVybi

[polar canyon]

"Weaker"

Giving it body press along with the nerfs made it overall more buffed then nerfed really

[molten oasis]

Based lmao

[nocturne holly]

What is this

[mighty stump]

Probably some draft league lol

[dull ibex]

hello

[mighty stump]

Hello

[molten oasis]

hello

[dull ibex]

sup

[misty helm]

which is the best fairy psychic type combo do you guys say

[molten oasis]

probably hatterene

[misty helm]

is the magic bounce ability partly why

[molten oasis]

its the mon with the most noable usage id say

good ability good stats

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 858: Hatterene

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Healer, Anticipation, Magic Bounce (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

57/90/95/136/103/29

Total

510

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[misty helm]

is bulk up scream tail any good

[molten oasis]

i would not use bulk up on scream tail no

[misty helm]

okay what about calm mind

[molten oasis]

scream tail has very bad attack stats i would not suggest using any set up move on it

[solid frigate]

I finally Broke the curse of not getting Double Freezed Today by Kyurem

[molten oasis]

lol

[solid frigate]

FINALLY

I'M FREE FROM THE NIGHTMARE

[misty helm]

wouldn't it gain pretty decent attack stats after set up though

[molten oasis]

no

you want to use set up on a mon with already high attack stats to do more damage

[misty helm]

okay what would be the cutoff for good vs bad attack stats for set up

is 95 base decent

[molten oasis]

most of the set up mons are usually hitting about 120 base minimum

[misty helm]

so ribombee with quiver dance is bad

[molten oasis]

notable ones in the format being like, zacian (swords dance) zamazenta (high defense iron defense body press) lunala (calm mind) calyrex shadow rider (nasty plot or calm mind) gholdengo (nasty plot)

higher attack stats to sweep through the opponents team

[molten oasis]

yea, volcarona is something you can try tho

[misty helm]

but does the stat not escalate from 95 base to equal to 150 or so base after set up

[molten oasis]

150 is weak

sweepers with set up tend to hit 200-300 attack/spA

more damage the better

you can sweep through a team pretty fast that way

[misty helm]

level 50?

[molten oasis]

after set up yes

[misty helm]

ribombee would have 220 after set up

[molten oasis]

some mons are able to hit stats up in the 400's

calyrex notably

147*1.5

oops

[misty helm]

is this bad

[gentle crag]

Result: 220.500000

[molten oasis]

ribombee is just generally bad

i failed to explain this well, lemme redo this

a set up mon needs to be able to do major damage to sweep through the opponents team

im now looking set up mons tend to hit 300 and above if they're using nasty plot or swords dance

if quiver dance or calm mind they tend to hit 250 and above

in a lower power format maybe something like ribombee could be okay but it just does not stack up damage wise to the major threats rn

not that it has the bulk to do that in the first place

[misty helm]

so 100 base modest/adamant is the minimum

or 115 base timid/jolly at the minimum

that would be the cut off for good attackers

[mighty stump]

100 base is like slightly below average

Keep in mind set up mons need to survive a turn and be able to turn the tempo around with that set-up turn

[misty helm]

do you think 95 base is particularly bad

[mighty stump]

Yes

Like if your goal is to set up and attack

95 is abysmal

[misty helm]

but it would be over 200 after set up

[modern cliff]

Any natures and moves should i change https://pokepast.es/7bc0f321aa5a386d

[misty helm]

could I not work with 220 special attack

[mighty stump]

Okay, look at it this way:

• Your base stats need to be able to compensate from the get-go the lack of investment theyre going to receive for either bulk to be able to set up safely or the offensive power to actually increase the efficacy of already good base stats

If you require excessive bulk to set up, you do no damage

If you require maximum offensive investment, you have no bulk

And we’re talking Reg G, Restricted format

220 SpA is could easily be nothing

Considering what Calyrex gets to

This also doesn’t account for the actual movesets and BP of said moves

[misty helm]

I know not to take on reg g though tbh

[mighty stump]

I’m generally pretty open to helping people work with their mon picks but there are limits

It’s more important to just have mons be able to do things theyre meant to do rather than force roles that they aren’t meant to fulfill

and also even more so important to have very realistic expectations

[misty helm]

also I'm a singles player so bulk isn't as important I don't think

it's not like I'm going to be taking two attacks on the same turn

[molten oasis]

NAH

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160310570 that zacian had no idea what was coming lmao

[molten oasis]

this dondozo has parental bond

[mighty stump]

I mean the fundamentals are still pretty similar conceptually: the meta exists and things will fall short.

Pokemon is numbers

Some numbers are just better than others

[nocturne holly]

Type shi

[misty helm]

what if I don't care too much about the numbers as long as I just win some matches that I partake in

[little plank]

You realize this is the competitive channel right? Where we try to be competitive?

[misty helm]

yeah but your also allowed to think outside the box rather than using the same 6 Pokemon as everyone else

[plain drum]

No one said otherwise

[nocturne holly]

Is your goal to have fun or to win

[misty helm]

to have fun more so

[modern cliff]

Is mine any good?

[nocturne holly]

Then run what you want

[misty helm]

I know that I will lose a lot but that would make what I do win so much more enjoyable

right?

[nocturne holly]

That’s great for you

[misty helm]

do you think I'm wrong to try to have fun during competitive settings

[plain drum]

No, we want you to have fun but we just want to make sure you know what to expect, so if you don’t have fun, you know why

[misty helm]

thanks I appreciate you explaining what to expect and I would kinda say I don't know what to expect but I want to at least try

[gentle crag]

dracorex232 has given 1 Gen Rep to maskedravager

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 149: Dragonite

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Inner Focus, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/134/95/100/100/80

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[plain drum]

If you want honesty, from my observations alone (and other people can speak on this in any capacity they’d like, especially because I can’t explain that well) a lot people here have their fun in the building, the ins and outs of what works and what doesn’t. You taking a different approach isn’t wrong per se, but as I believe we’ve found, it might be difficult to get advice or for you to really convey what you want.

Again, it’s all about making sure people have their expectations in check. That’s a pretty big goal if not the main one.

We sometimes have people here who get entirely misconstrued ideas thinking they can break a glass ceiling, and the idea is to try and not let anyone get in over their head because that’s just unnecessary frustration.

I think.

Like if we can help you in any capacity not to suffer, we will, basically.

[misty helm]

yeah and me having expectations too high for my Pokemon I realize now that it was making me ignore realistic expectations

[plain drum]

Very bastardized version of this: we will warn you that Piplup isn’t going to get you too far outside LC. It’s funny the first time, sure, after that probably not.

Like absolutely experiment, try stuff. But it’s likely someone can tell you the outcome ahead of time, and it’s up to you what to do with that.

But I also just could be full of shit, I’ll let the others do the talking now

[misty helm]

that's why I don't expect much of Pokemon that aren't fully evolved so I make sure they are before using them

[molten oasis]

they gave ivy the dragon energy vcreate version of rayquaza

[mighty stump]

Another rhetoric im sick of is the whole “everyone uses the same Pokemon” when easily in the top 50 you can make multiple team variations, not including the ones that are perhaps the same picks but teched out differently/EV’d differently

And particularly how the more diverse a format is, the worse it is

Casual players who probably play sub 100 games a season might not mind matchup roulette but people who play more often don’t want that

[warm night]

Hello looking for people to get to know and play nuzlockes with a twist with

Hard time finding people that aren't already in their own circle

[mighty stump]

The guise of people wanting to “have fun” is usually the fallback people lean onto to essentially:

• Absolve themselves of responsibility and/or listening
• Avoid having to interact within the original intended reason of the competitive space

And disregards discussion

[mighty stump]

This isn’t the channel for nuzlocking

[warm night]

Direct me pls

[mighty stump]

🤷‍♂️

[warm night]

New to discord

Ok

[mighty stump]

We don’t have a specific channel for nuzlocking

You could try #sv_discussion

Anyways, if you want to have fun, by all means, but you cannot expect to enter a space where the definition of fun is interlinked with competitive aspects/considerations and expect the members to interact in accordance with the minority definition of fun

[warm night]

Well not exactly competitive but imagine nuzlocking and you beat the game but the team you finished the game with and battling your friend to see who has the better team

[mighty stump]

That’s not really what we do here

[warm night]

Ok bro, thus why I say imagine

[mighty stump]

You say that like it makes the previous statement any more relevant?

[warm night]

Why is everybody so rude on this app

[plain drum]

It’s moreso the fact that there are better channels where you might find people interested in talking about what you want to

[sick laurel]

That's crazy

[polar canyon]

Damn this pokerogue thing is actually pretty fun

Well it was fun until the rival character randomly had a white rayquaza with 3 boss health bars and swept me

Pretty cringe thing to do to your rival if you ask me

[misty helm]

so I created a 16 type team how does this sound

Ice
Water
Electric
Dark
Psychic
Dragon
Ground
Fairy
Bug
Flying

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/superstore-amy-sosa-i-gotta-be-honest-that-sounds-awful-sounds-awful-gif-23747067

[misty helm]

because of lack of synergy I'm guessing

what synergies well with lycanroc dusk

[little plank]

Pretty much nothing which is why he isn't used

[misty helm]

Why isn’t he used he’s one of my best checks for flutter mane

[chrome iron]

What item would be best for a Mon with Unburden?

[foggy lodge]

Because even i could use shadow sneak Mimikyu as a check for Flutter

That doesn't mean it's good tho

[misty helm]

Would you say something bulky for the next team member

Since lycanroc is frail

[craggy dagger]

whats happening?

[misty helm]

I’m trying to team build around lycanroc dusk

[craggy dagger]

thats gonna be hard considering most restricteds cant really-
use lycanroc too well

[craggy dagger]

a terrain seed or white herb is usually the go to for unburden pokemons

[chrome iron]

What about a Hawlucha??

[misty helm]

White herb close combat

[molten oasis]

all the lycanroc are pretty bad rn

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

except t midday form and at best its mid

[dapper crag]

Move: Eternabeam

If this move is successful, the user must recharge on the following turn and cannot select a move.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

160

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Recharge

Has a recharge turn.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

because excadrill exists

[misty helm]

I’m not building a doubles team though

[molten oasis]

idt its good in singles either

and singles help is extremely limited here

[little plank]

Yeah I haven't played a single singles game since original diamond and pearl lol

[misty helm]

But what types of Pokémon should I add to the team

In other words what Pokémon can synergies well with the pure rock type sweeper

[craggy dagger]

singles you wanna play around with bulk and wallbreakers

i think clodsire hazard setup wouldnt be too bad for singles paired next to lycanroc's priority

[misty helm]

Do you think porygon-z could fill said role

Of wall breaker

[molten oasis]

i see why people like whimsicott

encore is such a good way to punish protects

[craggy dagger]

mm
id rather something like chien pao or urshifu rather than PZ

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it reduces your defensive options or set up options xd

[molten oasis]

you play singles nova?

[craggy dagger]

a little-
most of this is swsh singles knowledge since thats where i started

[molten oasis]

im testing it on a kyurem white team its solid

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

No snow warning Torn?

[molten oasis]

no

i tried torn i think torn is just meh

for kyurem

https://pokepast.es/c53f97cd525cced7

i have an excuse to run bloodmoon (tofu's idea)

switch in weather is enough

plus i am a big fan of a9

[craggy dagger]

bloodmoon is fine

[dapper crag]

Move: Snap Trap

Prevents the target from switching for four or five turns (seven turns if the user is holding Grip Claw). Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/6 if the user is holding Binding Band), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Shed Tail, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field, or if the target uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Substitute successfully. This effect is not stackable or reset by using this or another binding move.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

35

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

bloodmoon i think was for CSR

[misty helm]

Does Tera normal PZ with tri attack not work quite as well as it used to

[molten oasis]

kyurem cant beat its momentum

[craggy dagger]

its speed is weird and its bulk doesnt help so it'd be a glass cannon

[molten oasis]

isnt gholdengo good in singles rn?

[craggy dagger]

does dancer uh
trigger when theres lunar dance

[molten oasis]

[dapper crag]

Move: Lunar Dance

The user faints, and if the Pokemon brought out to replace it does not have full HP or PP, or has a non-volatile status condition, its HP and PP are fully restored along with having any non-volatile status condition cured. The replacement is sent out at the end of the turn, and the healing happens before hazards take effect. This effect continues until a Pokemon that meets any of these conditions switches in at the user's position or gets swapped into the position with Ally Switch. Fails if the user is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Dance

Triggers Dancer.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

you want to kill 2 of your mons at the same time?

[craggy dagger]

oh blessing-

[molten oasis]

and yes it triggers dancer

[dapper crag]

Move: Lunar Blessing

Each Pokemon on the user's side restores 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded half up, and has its status condition cured.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[craggy dagger]

not dance-
i keep on mixing them up

[molten oasis]

no

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

idt its considered a dancing move

i never thought of it as a dancing move

what you wanted to lunar blessing with oricorio?

[craggy dagger]

this was my idea-
https://pokepast.es/4dd3f15d31ef6195

oricorio sweeper-

[molten oasis]

ah

[craggy dagger]

then protect and blessing for double heal

[dapper crag]

Oricorio-Sensu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Covet, Double Slap, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Peck, Pluck, Pound, Return, Reversal, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Take Down, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Alluring Voice, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Icy Wind, Revelation Dance, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Feather Dance, Flatter, Growl, Helping Hand, Mirror Move, Protect, Psych Up, Quash, Quiver Dance, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Tailwind, Taunt, Teeter Dance, Toxic, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Oricorio-Sensu.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

unfortunately that dont work

but blessing still helps

uhm, waht restricted are you gonna use with this?

[craggy dagger]

no i ditched the idea-
it might work but it'll be hard to try and synergize everything

[molten oasis]

ok lol

well oricorio is also bad

idk how far that would have gotten you anyway

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

with the progress ive been making with kyurem so far, i think i like kyurem a lot, but im considering what it would want for double restricted

zac kyu maybe

(im exploring restricted options because of double restricted)

[misty helm]

Do you think lapras with

sparkling aria

freeze dry

alluring voice

psychic

Throat spray

Sounds like a decent bulky attacker

[molten oasis]

it gets sparkling aria

[dapper crag]

Lapras's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Bide, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Dive, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Earthquake, Facade, Fissure, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Horn Drill, Ice Shard, Icicle Spear, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Megahorn, Natural Gift, Outrage, Rage, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Smart Strike, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Ancient Power, Aurora Beam, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Disarming Voice, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Freeze-Dry, Frost Breath, Future Sight, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Muddy Water, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psywave, Round, Sheer Cold, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Sparkling Aria, Surf, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Gun, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Curse, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Foresight, Growl, Hail, Haze, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Life Dew, Mimic, Mist, Nightmare, Perish Song, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sing, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Swagger, Tickle, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lapras.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[misty helm]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

oh huh

[misty helm]

How does everyone I come across not know that Lapras gets sparkling aria

[molten oasis]

because no one uses it

cuz it not a good pokemon

[misty helm]

Still it’s a better option than surf

[molten oasis]

no scald rip

[misty helm]

Due to throat spray

[misty helm]

It doesn’t get scald

[molten oasis]

thats what i was saying

[misty helm]

Why would an ice type use a move involving heat

Unless it’s galarian darmanatan

[craggy dagger]

aria is a cool move though

[craggy dagger]

why does all other water types get scald-
that dont have any heat inducing properties?

like-
why does raikou get scald-

[pallid hare]

electrolysis

[craggy dagger]

is it just heating up its saliva with electricity and spits at you

[misty helm]

Yeah do you think my throat spray idea actually my Lapras strategy sounds good

[pallid hare]

raikou uses the electricity to electrolyse the water, superheating it

[molten oasis]

bundle should get scald

its a robot, they overheat

therefore, scald makes sense and makes bundle not miserable to use

fuck hydro pump

[dapper crag]

Bundle should’ve had scald

It makes sense

[molten oasis]

i think bundle would be an awesome fast support mon if it got scald

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

it doesnt instead we suffer with hydro pump

[misty helm]

I think they restrained themselves to keep it more balanced

[craggy dagger]

balanced-
pft-
coughs in flutter mane

[molten oasis]

sorry they gave moon knock off

they can give bundle scald

in the doubles perspective i think bundle would still be kinda eh

it doesnt hit that hard as it is so idk how good it would be anyway but scald would be really nice for it

balanced game? nah we have to deal with CSR and CIR

[misty helm]

I don’t understand why knock off is better than crunch

It really gets diminished after using it once

[molten oasis]

you dont play doubles

[pallid hare]

you only need it once

[molten oasis]

its really valuable in doubles

[next stump]

knock off is crazy good in singles as well

getting rid of leftovers/boots/etc.

[molten oasis]

i wouldnt know

ah yea ig thats fair

[craggy dagger]

boots are the main point in singles

[molten oasis]

getting rid of those would be huge

[craggy dagger]

so knock off to get rid of boots and making a pokemon take hazards is really good

[misty helm]

Does it really do enough damage to ohko at neutral most of the time

[pallid hare]

tis a mild joke

[molten oasis]

idt its important to get ohko's every fight in singles

[craggy dagger]

singles is a slow game-

[molten oasis]

i wouldn't know but the gmae seems to play very slow

idt how they do it every game

[craggy dagger]

i should make a new acc to test this team instead of climbing and falling cause of another team i made xD
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160422724

[molten oasis]

rock polish and calm mind wtf

[misty helm]

So be honest what’s a good wall breaker that isn’t a legendary

[molten oasis]

whats wrong with legendaries

[misty helm]

I can’t shiny hunt them

[molten oasis]

not the tera electric at the end to kill a 3% hp incin

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

[misty helm]

If it’s not shiny I don’t like

[craggy dagger]

i present:
dynamax adventures

[molten oasis]

i present:
use them anyway

only shinies isn't smart for general improvement and you seem new

because a lot of the good things are either hard to hunt or are locked

[craggy dagger]

accupressure tsarenna boosted evasion on a zamazenta and now i cant hit it-

[molten oasis]

i need that replay

[craggy dagger]

what the fuck
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160425412

[molten oasis]

that hurricane does not want to hit

thats actually so brutal lmfao

[craggy dagger]

[misty helm]

I at least have

groudon

mewtwo

and latios

From Dynamax adventures

And the Galar birds and dogs and eternatus from events

So I technically have 9 at my disposal

[nocturne holly]

Peli is so good against evasion strats
Hurricane can’t miss in rain

[craggy dagger]

i know that but im not running peli now am i?

[molten oasis]

lol

[nocturne holly]

I didn’t say you were 😭

Nah those evasion starts are deserved

I hope your games ar filled with them

[craggy dagger]

am just confused as to why you're stating the obvious thats all-

[jade dust]

I really hope they remove knock off from incineroar in the future

It has no right to have knock off on top of fake out, intimidate and parting shot

[molten oasis]

but then bundle isnt allowed to have scald

[jade dust]

Clear amulet is supposed to counter incineroar and lame debuff strategies

[molten oasis]

balanced game

[craggy dagger]

before it was knock off fake out
Then it was parting shot fake out
now its all

[jade dust]

Fuck scald, just remove that move

Generally speaking

[molten oasis]

what? scald is a fine move

idt there's any outright problems with it

*its not astrall barrage

[jade dust]

It has perfect accuracy, good power and burn

[jade dust]

Yeah fuck that too

[craggy dagger]

go play little cup then

[little plank]

This game was so fun lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2160425265

[jade dust]

Incineroar should lose to clear amulet, don’t let it have knock off to take it away

Darkest lariat was a fine move

[craggy dagger]

doesnt dd lariat ignore defense boosts-

[dapper crag]

Move: Darkest Lariat

Ignores the target's stat stage changes, including evasiveness.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

i ran into power herb meteor beam rock polish the other day

[craggy dagger]

oh what the heck-

its dark type sacred sword

[rustic mountain]

[frigid flume]

I’m thinking maybe amongos or wimsocot

[chrome knot]

whims

[craggy dagger]

whats...
the team?

[dapper crag]

I guess the team is eggs and coalossal lol

[chrome knot]

the miraidon top left

[frigid flume]

Yeah the miraidon and those 5

4*

I put alolan exeggcuter there as well

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

Why Coalossal tho

[frigid flume]

That’s just to help my eggs hatch

[chrome knot]

[foggy lodge]

Ah

Then What's the team? The top left of the box?

[foggy lodge]

ok so why Alolan Exeguttor

[frigid flume]

I like trick room a lot but I am thinking maybe whims in case I can’t hard commit to it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 103: Exeggutor-Alola

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Frisk, Harvest (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/105/85/125/75/45

Total

530

Base Species

Exeggutor

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[frigid flume]

It can set trick room and has decent special damage

[foggy lodge]

Why would you want TR if you already have Farigiraf

[frigid flume]

I did have that thought as well

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon is absurdly fast, TR doesn't help him in any mean

[frigid flume]

Yeah that’s why I was thinking filling that last spot with whims

[foggy lodge]

Whimsicott is better

[frigid flume]

Whims and ogerpon just make it rajans team lol

I do think it would be a good addition

[foggy lodge]

You could play the variant that uses Ditto

[molten oasis]

lol

[jade dust]

Rather have that than knock off incineroar

[chrome knot]

what.

just play better

[molten oasis]

lol

[craggy dagger]