competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

also its funny that i 3HKO a Koraidon with Just Urshifu doing Surging Strikes lmao

[modern harbor]

oh just cant let it stay and spam hurricanes

[foggy lodge]

I mean for at least some turns but you always look to have the sun setup

You would have to play around the sun

[modern harbor]

should i have tailwind setter?

[foggy lodge]

I don't play Koraidon so i can't help with that

[solid frigate]

same

[foggy lodge]

Absolutely

[modern harbor]

oh right have there been any recent teams with G. Moltres?

or has it fallen from grace

[foggy lodge]

Uhh Keanu's team

[solid frigate]

and probably a TR as well for making sure

[foggy lodge]

I mean the one that won a regional

[solid frigate]

did you made this meme lmao

[misty helm]

Yes

[modern harbor]

indeedee?

[solid frigate]

usually go for Fari

[modern harbor]

ah

[solid frigate]

cuz Armor Tail is just so damn hilarious

[modern harbor]

i guess fari cant be countered as easy as terrain for priority

[foggy lodge]

I'm playing this variant of Keanu's team https://pokepast.es/66aa8094cb8200c9

[modern harbor]

i see

not really many alternatives to pelliper are there..

[rustic mountain]

nah, the other team is more all in for the lugia mode, urs is trying to do too much while not doing anything too well. i suggest using established teams like the one i showed before especially if your newer. its better to get an understanding of the meta and why things are good/work together b4 trynna teambuild urself

[modern harbor]

i see

is it bad that i want to force myself to learn through my own teambuilding?

[rustic mountain]

id say yea unless ur jus taking it more casually in general

[solid frigate]

sometimes learn from Teambuild is to understand the Basics on the Meta

[modern harbor]

well im def not trying to enter competitions or anything, im just kind of interested in doubles

i dont play showdown or keep up with vgc too much

[solid frigate]

like i don't just fuck it and use AV Chien Pao for no reason,it just does not work

[modern harbor]

this is true

i only tried av flutter bc the bulky one i was using was already surviving a lot of hits with booster, so i thought i can get similar damage through acid spray but also have more survivability

[solid frigate]

you need to have a basic knowledge on what you wanna do,so Rentals is a Good Starting point on see what your Playstyle is and how you will improve the team through trial and error

[modern harbor]

i would say the only problem i had with rentals is that i didnt understand the teams as thoroughly and consistently i played worse

[rustic mountain]

i mean if u dont care about winning too much yea jus run w/e

[modern harbor]

i still want to win hehehe

[rustic mountain]

if u wanna improve/actually understand the game better, yea def would look into good teams that have done well

[modern harbor]

kk

i think i will try with a more common restricted

i want to try koraidon but i feel like its frail and that might make it easier for one mistake to lose me the game

[rustic mountain]

otherwise ur jus hindering ur progress, i thought i could go that way too wen i started nd it wasnt till i began changing my mindset to using mons that were good that i started making drastic leaps

[modern harbor]

yeah i started with just "i like lugia lets see if i can make it work" and not really understanding how to support it at all

[rustic mountain]

nd in turn u can make niche picks work because of knowing what and why things are meta

[solid frigate]

always try meta things to gain more knowledge then you can start with niche picks

[rustic mountain]

but its not until u really learn the game first u can do that effectively

[modern harbor]

i kind of just added pokemon or pairs that work better by themselves but dont help lugia ig

[rustic mountain]

yea like u have screens but not much else to support it. the other team has screens, follow me support, healing w/ comfey like

[modern harbor]

yeah

[rustic mountain]

its a lot more direct in what its intention is which is make lugia a raid boss

and protect it at all costs

[modern harbor]

if i had healing i could run safeguard or psychic or something

[solid frigate]

Lugia is more High Skill Level cuz you have to make it a tank

[solid frigate]

1 fairy mon.

[modern harbor]

?

[solid frigate]

# C O M F E Y

[modern harbor]

oh comfey gets safeguard?

[solid frigate]

even it does

don't use it

[modern harbor]

lol

[dapper crag]

Comfey's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bind, Bullet Seed, Covet, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Return, Seed Bomb, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wrap

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

After You, Ally Switch, Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Floral Healing, Flower Shield, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Nature Power, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Tailwind, Taunt, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Comfey.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

oh it actually learns that lol

[modern harbor]

im scared of para and tox >.<

[solid frigate]

Poison is not that common

unless you wanna be cringe and use Toxic Stall Eternatus

[modern harbor]

i did notice that

i think i ran into toxic stall umbreon

with the 🐌

[solid frigate]

thats more singles than Doubles

[solid frigate]

don't worry,i would not toxic stall with it,

Lemme just pollen puff on my own Kyogre and Water Spout

[rustic mountain]

usually u want like trick room/floral healing/draining kiss and protect

for comfey

maybe taunt

[modern harbor]

but the other thing i have learned is that lugia would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with 100 acc instead of 95 on aeroblast

[rustic mountain]

eh

[solid frigate]

i think thats ok,Taunt can be use in Urshifu

[modern harbor]

i probably lost 3 games to that alone

[solid frigate]

not really significant

[foggy lodge]

not competitive but no way pseudo legendaries's real name is powerhouse pokemon

[solid frigate]

cuz Lugia is pathetic in power

[rustic mountain]

lugia just suffers from having not great typing or stats to justify a restricted slot

[solid frigate]

GAMEFREAK WHY

[modern harbor]

true

[rustic mountain]

ur basically playing from behind most games

[silver ravine]

Throat chop vs Sacred sword for Pao? Thinking sacred as it can hit zacian and incin.

[rustic mountain]

cuz ur restricted is jus outclassed most times

[modern harbor]

but it also suffers from having a good design 😭

its so tempting to use lol

[rustic mountain]

its cool

[solid frigate]

Ice Spinner,Throat Chop,Sacred Sword and Protect

[rustic mountain]

i showed u a team that did pretty well w/ it irl

its not impossible

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gloogy-pokemon-terapagos-gif-8449143467371418881

[silver ravine]

Why no sucker punch?

[modern harbor]

no sucker?

i mean ig pao is pretty fast but its nice against stuff like rilla

[rustic mountain]

usually its double dark + ice or like sacred sword/sucker/ice move

[solid frigate]

cuz i think its safer to actually use Throat Chop due to Sucker Punch fails when using Status

[rustic mountain]

ur not usually wanting to opt outta sucker

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-gif-23631832

[solid frigate]

idk i just used without sucker sometimes

[rustic mountain]

i think some ppl have usually just not the case

[solid frigate]

but then again

Haven't use Chien Pao for a while now

[rustic mountain]

ive never run pao w/o sucker

[foggy lodge]

i prefer sacred sword because the ice/dark offensive lacks of complete offense against some things like Inci xd

[silver ravine]

Will say it'd be a nice STAB if you want to get rid of something weak to dark, and psychic terrian is up or the giraffe is there

[rustic mountain]

yea it has its use case

[solid frigate]

and Terapagos as well

(God i still kinda hate Pao on doing huge chunk on Pagos)

[modern harbor]

ohhh i see its good against hyper voice right?

[rustic mountain]

?

[solid frigate]

what

[modern harbor]

throat chop cancels those moves right?

[rustic mountain]

oh

yea not really as relevant now

[modern harbor]

so it could be a good lead into fari or ursaluna?

[foggy lodge]

It shuts down parting shot too

[modern harbor]

or maybe sylveon

[foggy lodge]

It has some funny interactions

[solid frigate]

Sylveon is not as good as Reg A sorry

[rustic mountain]

potentially, usually ud wanna jus ice move or sacred sword since most are normal tera, they can always blood moon/earth power

[modern harbor]

incin will go "no parting shot?" and just flar blitz lol

[rustic mountain]

nd giraffe if w/ bm is gna click tr so

[modern harbor]

true

[solid frigate]

Will-o-Wisp:

[modern harbor]

that too

i didnt see will o wisp a lot before on incin but its rly annoying

[rustic mountain]

arc ran it in earlier series

sableye more niche but also run it

[solid frigate]

Incin is just do what Arcanine and Landorus did,But better

[silver ravine]

Sadge. Pao only has a 30% chance to ohko Incin.

[modern harbor]

its frustrating bc not much can ohko an incin so it kinda just gets free half attack no matter what

does fari get helping hand?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[solid frigate]

i use it a lot in Miraidon teams

[modern harbor]

if they lead incin couldnt you lead fari for fake out protection and then helping hand into sacred sword or something for incin?

with pao

[solid frigate]

N E C K (Farigiraf) @ Electric Seed
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Hyper Voice
• Helping Hand
• Protect

Welp i used this for some reason and it tank hits pretty well, tho no damage is ok

[modern harbor]

i doubt fari dies in 1 hit and pao has sash

[rustic mountain]

i mean u could i think theres better options tho, like dont u have rapid strike urshi on ur team

a lot of incin are tera ghost too

[solid frigate]

usually is either 2HKO or even bulkier can be 3HKO

[rustic mountain]

also ur -1 off rip

i dont feel like doing the calc but idt w/ helping hand it offsets that to ko

especially it being non stab

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Black Glasses Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 124+ Def Farigiraf: 204-242 (89.8 - 106.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Ok thats-

i'm not even Electric Seed yet

[rustic mountain]

not as impressive as u think

i dont want a coin flip basically to survive

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera Dark Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. +1 252 HP / 124+ Def Farigiraf: 180-216 (79.2 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

thats slightly better but i mean

[rustic mountain]

whose even runnin gambit now

[solid frigate]

i do not see any Gambit so yeah

[modern harbor]

does surging strikes usually ohko incin?

[solid frigate]

i'm checking lol

[solid frigate]

yes unless Berry

[rustic mountain]

depends on the spread/item/tera some incin w/ sitrus can live

[craggy dagger]

i just ran into someone who had gambit

[modern harbor]

they usually goggles tho right?

[rustic mountain]

a lot are yes

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/6cf803084da802ef

[modern harbor]

so u jus gotta worry ab fake out then right?

[rustic mountain]

covert cloak and ghost tera?

[solid frigate]

the only thing Fari Hates for non restricted is just Urshifu Dark and Chien Pao

and Maybe Chi Yu

[craggy dagger]

whoops

[modern harbor]

tbh i dont see many urshifu single

[rustic mountain]

its around

rapid jus way better

[solid frigate]

it still exists

[modern harbor]

yea

actually i dont see too many pao either

maybe one in 4 or 5 games?

[solid frigate]

yeah someone Still uses Zap Plate Miraidon+Valiant-

why

[rustic mountain]

pao def more common

then single strike

[modern harbor]

i feel like the most popular stuff i see is kyogre, miraidon, w chi yu

or zamazenta

[rustic mountain]

horses are def better imo

[foggy lodge]

The fucking Calyrexs lol

[modern harbor]

oh TRUE i see glastrier everywhere

[rustic mountain]

terapagos is up there too

[solid frigate]

lemme just die

[foggy lodge]

I hate them

[solid frigate]

its less popular now

[modern harbor]

ok wtf am i supposed to do against fast zacian tho its SO fast

[solid frigate]

i haven't seen a Pagos Team for a while

[foggy lodge]

Incineroar it

[solid frigate]

trick Room? or try to outspeed them with Speed Control

[craggy dagger]

fixed :D
https://pokepast.es/1d138ed2d8c4e679

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[rustic mountain]

its been atleast top 8 at like every irl event

[solid frigate]

i mean rn

[craggy dagger]

ewww incinnnn

[solid frigate]

i know its still super relevant

[modern harbor]

i want to use a team like that but without incin,

[rustic mountain]

i dont really think theres a drop off that ur saying

[solid frigate]

wait lemme find it

[rustic mountain]

like r u saying its not top 5 best restricted?

[solid frigate]

i did not say that

i still think Pagos is S tier level Restricted

[rustic mountain]

seems solid

yea jus confused on wat u r saying then

[modern harbor]

would this work with screens parting shot fake out grimm instead of incin for control?

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/vgcdata/status/1810344414084018662?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
Saw that from Dillon's Message

VGC Data (@VGCdata) on X

📊 VGC 2024 Regulation G usage stats update

205 top teams from the 11 biggest Limitless tours in the last 2 weeks (https://t.co/ZrWzlhAJwg)

1⃣ Pokémon usage stats
2⃣ Restricteds usage stats
3⃣ Finalist teams

📈 Zamazenta, Chien-Pao
📉 Calyrex-Shadow, Terapagos, Farigiraf

Twitter · Jul 8, 2024, 4:05 PM

[rustic mountain]

while the data is interesting it isnt definitive

[craggy dagger]

oh chi yu is kinda high up rn

[solid frigate]

i mean

its Chi Yu the goat

[rustic mountain]

only certain tours/players that its even accounting for

[modern harbor]

^

[solid frigate]

it might be just me

[rustic mountain]

are you asking us or nova?

[solid frigate]

but i am gonna still use Pagos

[rustic mountain]

cuz u replied to them specifically lol

[solid frigate]

just not As much cuz i am testing Miraidon and kyogre for Double Restricted

[rustic mountain]

how r u testing for a format that doesnt exist yet

[modern harbor]

any

[craggy dagger]

oh

[rustic mountain]

i mean its not my team so nova would prolly be able to answer that better. id say it could work but its not a 1:1 replacement

[solid frigate]

idk i am just doing shit

[craggy dagger]

no not really

[modern harbor]

yeah, i just dont like incin 😭

[craggy dagger]

you need fake out and intimidate pressure

if you'd like-
you can run hitmontop-

[rustic mountain]

monke moment

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[craggy dagger]

i mean i guess screens could work
but i wouldnt run the team i just posted cause its not refined at all

[modern harbor]

im not thinking of copying it or anything, im just rly interested in moltres miraidon urshifu and flutter

[foggy lodge]

Yooo https://x.com/inutt7/status/1810307065858179404?s=19

井沼 (@inutt7) on X

この前描いてた親の顔より見たコンビの絵もあげとく(一部時代遅れ)

Twitter · Jul 8, 2024, 1:36 PM

[silver ravine]

Gib

[rustic mountain]

this is cool

[solid frigate]

Chi yu the Goat

[craggy dagger]

mmm
its not a core thats easily pilotable though

[craggy dagger]

eeeeeeee
flutter fish

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-goat-ms-smash-fish-chi-yu-pokemon-gif-6628838649538574254

[craggy dagger]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2157574521
the team doesn’t seem too bad though-
incin puts intimidate pressure so it’s not really something you can replace

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-marios-gif-18800279

my brain rn

[craggy dagger]

flutter fishyyyyyy-
baby and queen

[craggy dagger]

overstimulated?

[solid frigate]

pure braindead after played Miraidon

and i am on a mission to make teams with Future Sword of Justice

[craggy dagger]

oh that’s easy though

crown maybe not so much-

[solid frigate]

Well

Boulder and Crown are the easy ones-

[craggy dagger]

but the other two are easy to make stuff out of

[solid frigate]

Leaves is just,oml

[craggy dagger]

crown is the one i’d have trouble with

leaves is easy-

tera dark AV

[solid frigate]

wait did you see my Miraidon team

[craggy dagger]

psy, leaf, blast, coverage

what i really wanna try is rising voltage mirai bolt

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2ccb37382b2629e9

i used this

[craggy dagger]

why crown-

ground chi yu better imo

[solid frigate]

probably because i just love using it

got 66% Consistency (Screw the last team for the 4 losses,i did not lose a single match in Ladder with the New team)

[modern harbor]

is it fine to ask for teambuilding help 😭 i rly dont wanna inconvenience yall

[solid frigate]

i mean i can try

[modern harbor]

i put together some pokemon i think i could build with, and i definitely like certain combos, but im curious to know how you guys go about coming up with a team in the first place.

[craggy dagger]

of course it’s fine
we’re here to help each other out

[solid frigate]

we just focus on building the restricted of our choice, then find partners for it

[craggy dagger]

there’s the occasional stupid pokemon drops i make but otherwise this is a pretty good place to learn team building

[modern harbor]

i really like pao + urshifu, grimmsnarl, flutter in practice, but i have a bunch of random pokemon that i know are popular lol

theres some im missing here bc theyre in home but

[solid frigate]

Pao Shifu is nice

[craggy dagger]

well this regulation you wanna start with a restricted legendary and make a team around that

[modern harbor]

generally i really like all these, and i think it would be nice to start with something here

[foggy lodge]

You have options

[craggy dagger]

if it wasn’t restricted regulation, you’d be fine with starting with paoshifu as a core

[foggy lodge]

Pick the restricted first

[modern harbor]

kk

[craggy dagger]

zama pao shifu?

[solid frigate]

like what playstyle do you wanna focus?

Hyper Offense? Set Up? or Balance

[craggy dagger]

slow down-

[modern harbor]

im not very experienced so im pretty open, but i feel like i have a lot of success with either set up/stall or hyper, not balance

[craggy dagger]

is this your first time trying out vgc?

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-scary-memes-gif-19596874

[modern harbor]

i have played only reg G, got ultra ball with a decent feeling team but had to restart my pokemon acc so i could change my OT name

[craggy dagger]

ah

[solid frigate]

its not that New i guess

[craggy dagger]

well what were you using before you wiped your save?

maybe we can start from there

[modern harbor]

i transferred to home but basically a shitty lugia team lol

[craggy dagger]

shoot-
there’s no such thing as a shitty team in my books-

[solid frigate]

we know.. Master of Niche teams lel

[modern harbor]

i think i was originally using sylveon, rillaboom, dragonite, grimm, lugia, urshifu,

[solid frigate]

outside of Sylveon,the composition is good

in Paper

[modern harbor]

i switched sylveon for flutter

[craggy dagger]

hm…
that’s not a bad start though id question dnite sylveon

[modern harbor]

yeah

then i switched dnite for pao i think

[solid frigate]

Dnite i guess for HO but Without Pao is just not enough

[modern harbor]

i found myself running into a bunch of ghost types where i just couldnt justify bringing dragonite

[solid frigate]

i think Pao might be a hinderance for the team for me

you don't have consistent Healing besides of Lefties

[modern harbor]

the only thing is i think ive had the most success with specifically pao shifu, so if i were to start over, maybe i'd like to include them

[solid frigate]

lemme get into my teambuilder hold on

[craggy dagger]

zama pao shifu

[modern harbor]

down

[solid frigate]

and maybe Rilla for good measure

[modern harbor]

zama is rusted shield w like protect iron defense heavy slam and body press right?

[craggy dagger]

mhm!

[modern harbor]

yeah... i died to it a lot

lol

[solid frigate]

yeah this is more safer than Wide Guard

Oh yeah Pelipper is a good Pokemon for Zama

[modern harbor]

i feel like wide guard was good but i dont see as much spread bc i feel like most flutters are running icy wind moonblast instead of specs dazzling

[solid frigate]

Pelipper is a good mon for that

[modern harbor]

helps with horses?

and koraidon ig

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Chi yu

[modern harbor]

ohh right chi yu doesnt do much into rain

[solid frigate]

Cuz Zamazenta is very threatened against Chi Yu Pagos

[modern harbor]

tbh i have no clue what pagos does bc i dont have the dlc 😭

i know its stellar and that it can change type matchups

[solid frigate]

it doesn't

[modern harbor]

and that it has a move that changes from sgt to spread whne tera

right?

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/d7bfbe58ad0c8270 thoughts??

Zac and umb are so fun to use

[craggy dagger]

looks fine-
am wondering what umbre does

[solid frigate]

• It does not change type MU
• Does Neutral to Everything and Terastalised Opponents will do super effective
• Starstorm turns to Spread Stellar Type Move

[craggy dagger]

i think they’re talking about the terapagos raid boss fight at the end of the dlc

[solid frigate]

Pelipper @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 140 SpD / 36 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Wide Guard
• Weather Ball

Anyways,there is a Bulky Pelipper set if you wanna use Pelipper

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

[craggy dagger]

ewwww peliiiii

[solid frigate]

whats wrong with Pelipper-

[craggy dagger]

4x weak to miraidon

[modern harbor]

i mean i prefer not to use it because its ugly

[craggy dagger]

without sash it’ll die

[modern harbor]

but if i must

[solid frigate]

fair

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Hurricane
• Weather Ball
• Wide Guard

[craggy dagger]

honestly here’s what i’m thinking-
zama pao shifu flutterfish giraffe

[solid frigate]

you have to shove a Flutterfish lmao

[modern harbor]

i like!!

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

whaaaat-
it’s the perfect duo

[modern harbor]

oh i can also use whimsicott

just wasnt in box

[solid frigate]

fair tho i am not a big fan of it for some reason

ROTOM WHY

[craggy dagger]

or if you don’t wanna run zama-
pao shifu mirai lando chi yu giraffe

[solid frigate]

Scarf Lando stonks

[silver ravine]

Incin did almost 93% damage to Miraidon using Knock Off
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2157584979

[craggy dagger]

i feel like it’s gotta be pao or chi yu-
having both is not fun

[silver ravine]

Cat needs to be hit with the nerf hammer

[solid frigate]

wait

93????

[modern harbor]

and last mon?

[silver ravine]

93% of it's health yeah

[solid frigate]

DOES THAT MIRAIDON HAVE NEGATIVE BULK

[craggy dagger]

that’s 6

[modern harbor]

wait

[craggy dagger]

zama pao shifu flutter fish giraffe

[modern harbor]

Oh

[silver ravine]

Isn't 252 special attack and speed the norm?

[modern harbor]

i thought u were calling flutter mane flutterfish, not chi yu LOL

[craggy dagger]

but i’d rather-
you go zama pao shifu flutter whims giraffe

[modern harbor]

whims instead of fish?

[solid frigate]

yeah but like 93% with Crit is insane-

[craggy dagger]

that’s called being crit hit with a 130 base power stab move

[silver ravine]

Yeah was mad tilted when it happened. Might've won that game otherwise

[solid frigate]

0 Atk Incineroar Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Miraidon on a critical hit: 94-112 (53.7 - 64%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[craggy dagger]

like idt it’s that surprising if it crits with a 130 base

[craggy dagger]

item-

[dapper crag]

Move: Knock Off

If the target is holding an item that can be removed from it, ignoring the Sticky Hold Ability, this move's power is multiplied by 1.5. If the user has not fainted, the target loses its held item. This move cannot cause Pokemon with the Sticky Hold Ability to lose their held item or cause a Kyogre, a Groudon, a Giratina, an Arceus, a Genesect, a Silvally, a Zacian, or a Zamazenta to lose their Blue Orb, Red Orb, Griseous Orb, Plate, Drive, Memory, Rusted Sword, or Rusted Shield respectively. Items lost to this move cannot be regained with Recycle or the Harvest Ability.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[solid frigate]

but it does 93%

[craggy dagger]

oh 1.5 not 2

what’s the attack EVs on that incin

[solid frigate]

crit with Item is 64 at best

[modern harbor]

252 adamant incin lol

[craggy dagger]

cause you’re calcing a 0atk incin

[zinc totem]

How much people need worry about screens like reflect or light screen

[silver ravine]

Def crying myself to sleep tonight with the Smiths on and everything

[solid frigate]

yeah but i assume almost every incin uses it lol

[solid frigate]

Urshifu be like:

[modern harbor]

wait i really like screens tho, is fari and zama bulky enough to do w/o?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[craggy dagger]

without what-
chi yu?
yeah

[zinc totem]

If you dont rum shifu?

[molten oasis]

You want a good example of a screens team you should look at the kyogre wo chien team

[modern harbor]

to do without grimm screens or pult screens or something

[craggy dagger]

eh-
depends on what the team is playing

[solid frigate]

just pray for crit or deal damage

[solid frigate]

i still love it lmao

[craggy dagger]

lugia comfey sableye screens

that’s how i learned my screens

[solid frigate]

i used Screens back in Early Meta with Terapagos

[zinc totem]

Yeah i was just thinking how problematic screens are or they are not that big of deal

[craggy dagger]

as if the turtle isn’t hard enough to kill

[solid frigate]

Kid named Urshifu,Koraidon and Zamazenta:

[zinc totem]

I still see grimmsnarl terapagos sometime

[molten oasis]

Terapagos Grimmsnarl is also good

[solid frigate]

its solid,like you are a Tank at this point

https://tenor.com/view/war-thunder-meme-spin-tank-gif-4023090852990224147

[zinc totem]

How about Zacian? He's in the pench?

If you know refence you get shiny

[solid frigate]

Zacian is fine ig,but sacred Sword ones are gonna screw me over

Drago does Zacian run Sacred Sword anymore?

[zinc totem]

I run zacian chin-pao

[zinc totem]

If they dont run SD they run sacred sword i guess

[solid frigate]

i'm talking to the Zacian man himself

[zinc totem]

Well i can still give my opinion

@molten oasis you've bee. Summoned

[modern harbor]

zamazenta tera type?

[molten oasis]

What do you want

@zinc totem

[solid frigate]

Grass against Amogus Rage Powder and Spore,Ghost for Fake Out,Dragon For Elemental Weaknesses

[zinc totem]

Torrent asked you a question

[modern harbor]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmm

[molten oasis]

@solid frigate

What do you need

[solid frigate]

just questioning does Zacian still use Sacred Sword

in this meta rn

[molten oasis]

Uh, not really

Zacian is typically running play rough bblade sword dance/tera blast and protect

[solid frigate]

gotcha

[molten oasis]

Scared sword is decent if your zama mu sucks

Or if you reaaally don’t like missing play rough

[solid frigate]

fair

[zinc totem]

Ngl missing PR lost me some games

[molten oasis]

Yea, tell me about it

[zinc totem]

And worst part of it is that

You actually would win

But that miss be like "not today bucko!"

[craggy dagger]

people do run sacred sword-
and i’m one of the ppl who prefer sword over play rough

[molten oasis]

How do you think I feel when my winning play is play rough hitting a urshifu

BUT I’ve run hydro pump before

[solid frigate]

might as well make Zacian Steel Fighting lmao

[molten oasis]

I’m considering running kyogre

[craggy dagger]

i’ve also just run play rough, sacred, sd, protect

[molten oasis]

If I can use origin pulse I can use play rough

[craggy dagger]

who needs bb when you have others to pop the steel coverage

[molten oasis]

Not using bblade is crazy

[craggy dagger]

i’d rather be able to deal with incin rather than hit flutter for an ohko and a cir for a chunk

[molten oasis]

I think sacred does like, a little bit more than play rough does

[craggy dagger]

plus most of the time, you’re running other pokemon that can hit the same as bb

[molten oasis]

Plus, +2 play rough can ohko a decent chunk of incins

(Ik from experience)

[craggy dagger]

sacreds also for zamas

goes through stat buffs :3

[molten oasis]

Fair

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frogiese-f-it-we-ball-kitty-cat-gif-26662189

[craggy dagger]

that was the biggest selling point for me is that i can go through stat buffs

[solid frigate]

for me is kinda concerning lmao

[modern harbor]

https://pokepast.es/6fe83bc3dca9e751

i dont have spreads for everyone yet but how do moves and items look?

oops

didnt change urshifu meant to be tera water

[craggy dagger]

looks alright-
lots of tera fairy lol

[modern harbor]

i rly dont know what else to do

for those guys

[craggy dagger]

though i’d go encore or taunt over light screen

[modern harbor]

oh oops

[nocturne holly]

Why dragon on shifu

[craggy dagger]

^^

[nocturne holly]

Imo either water or ghost

Mb

[modern harbor]

yep meant to change

[craggy dagger]

mistake but dragon would be an interesting change

[zinc totem]

hah yeah that one is so ANNOYING when it happens

[craggy dagger]

next idea-
dragon tera dragon cheer

[nocturne holly]

whims should have encore over screen imo

[modern harbor]

i think i'll do encore

[zinc totem]

if you want run screen, just take grimmsnarl

[craggy dagger]

encore or taunt-
though encore has better usages

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/namufilms-patrick-star-rifle-gun-gif-25182238

No gimmicks to my dog on my watch

[modern harbor]

yeah i thought at first its nice against grass and electric but still sucks against fairy

[nocturne holly]

I’ve been so scared sometimes that I b blade into incin to not risk the miss 😭

[craggy dagger]

i mean i’ve already done it before
but no not to the puppos

[nocturne holly]

Missing with okay rough is catastrophic

*play

[craggy dagger]

i mean in general what if other pokemon with dragon cheer

[cedar crow]

now I'm aware that you guys are compet players, but by design, what's your favorite pokemon?

[molten oasis]

Do it with anything else sure

Don’t touch zacian

Zac is already hard to use at it is

[modern harbor]

wooper or sylveon :)

[craggy dagger]

tera dragon zacian
that’s
gonna be weirdddd

[molten oasis]

Oh, I meant dragon cheer

[cedar crow]

both good choices 🙂

[molten oasis]

I actively use Tera dragon zacian

[craggy dagger]

latias, chi yu (especially shiny), flutter mane, mew

[molten oasis]

Zacian Hydrapple Primarina

[zinc totem]

that actually helps it survive kyogre water spout extremely well

[craggy dagger]

well-
misdreveaus too-

[molten oasis]

Favorite type go

Mine is fairy

[zinc totem]

@molten oasiscoaching sneasler with Zacian btw

[craggy dagger]

fairy water ice

[molten oasis]

Just use urshifu

[cedar crow]

I have a Primarina on my team in Violet right now

[molten oasis]

It’s right fucking there

[nocturne holly]

AIGHT SO BASICALLY
resists astral and is a good switch into csr
Immune to prankster and fake out
Yawn is so fucking disruptive
Taunt is nice into incin and amoonguss
Foul play does big damage into cir and decent into csr
And it’s so damn bulky it just sits on the field for so long + grassy terrain

[craggy dagger]

my banner has primarina

[molten oasis]

Primarina was my favorite from reg f

Now it’s, hard to use, at all

[cedar crow]

I've been using it as my story mode water type

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 197: Umbreon

Type

Dark

Abilities

Synchronize, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/65/110/60/130/65

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[silver ravine]

Ahhhh lost a game because I ended trick room too soon

[craggy dagger]

that’s-
a lot bulkier than i remember

and it gets inner focus too ooo

[nocturne holly]

Frrr

[modern harbor]

i lost a game yesterday to missing aeroblast, then getting spdef drop from shadow ball, then crit lol

[bold geode]

Fuck it we do it

[craggy dagger]

i’m having so much fun-

https://pokepast.es/ac4118908355bf2c

[nocturne holly]

Incin can’t do shit go it
My spread also speed creeps 44 spe incin so I can taunt it and stop it from parting shotting

[nocturne holly]

do you like eevee

Also add umbreon

[molten oasis]

You will not live if I see Zac on a gimmick team

[cedar crow]

yes I love eevee

[dapper crag]

Ability: Quick Feet

If this Pokemon has a non-volatile status condition, its Speed is multiplied by 1.5. This Pokemon ignores the paralysis effect of halving Speed.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[modern harbor]

oh i also lost a game to a turn 1 ice beam 6 turn freeze

[molten oasis]

lol fun

[craggy dagger]

i do-
quite a bit

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2157602446
but honestly i should be focusing on this team a little more…
goltres is playing out pretty well

[bold geode]

Is double weather already not a start

[craggy dagger]

what

hear me out-
tera ice snow zacian

[molten oasis]

Meh

[molten oasis]

Ah yes I love being weak to urshifu

[molten oasis]

Tbf double weather is t necessarily a gimmick

And like, it’s not directed towards Zac soo

[bold geode]

Hey mfer

Quit leaving me on read in other channel

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/7fa4c557ab8ddba6 there we go physical aspect of zacian team (i dont have rapid-strike urshifu so i decided that i probably dont need bulky pelipper for this one so i took whimsi in for tailwind but if i get 2nd playtrough to the point i get kubfu, i might get rapid strike urshifu meaning i can put pelipper in with wide guard and rain to boost shifu damage)

[molten oasis]

🫵

[molten oasis]

Why not torn

Torn looks so free here

Rain dance boosts ogerpon

[zinc totem]

well maybe beacuse i dont OWN torn

[molten oasis]

When did you get my bulky Zac spread?

[molten oasis]

Then get one

[zinc totem]

i cant

[molten oasis]

Rip

Guess whims is fine

[zinc totem]

PLA is no longer sold in our shops

only legit game to get torn from

unless i luck out on pogo

and they return

[silver ravine]

Not sure what the plan there was. They could've used tailwind and prob swept https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2157611531

[zinc totem]

yeah, i gues si could go bulky pelipper instead of whimsi too

[modern harbor]

i might have an extra PoGo torn

yeah actually i have like 6 of them

[zinc totem]

i dont have anything to trade for it outside shinies i've catched haha x3

[zinc totem]

ooh nice

[modern harbor]

tbh i wouldnt mind trading for a shiny i dont have

[zinc totem]

well what shinies wild pokemons you dont have?

[modern harbor]

im down to just give it away lol

[zinc totem]

haha well then i'll gladly accept it

[modern harbor]

therian transfers ok right?

[zinc totem]

if i can turn therian into incarnate sure

never had genies so

[craggy dagger]

what the heck-

[craggy dagger]

you can-
in auction place you should get a lens that’ll uh-
make it so that you can swap between the genie forms

[modern harbor]

yep

[zinc totem]

very nice

[craggy dagger]

i should start-
working on shiny hunting for my vgc team…

[nocturne holly]

What do I speed creep with bolt

Or does it even really need to creep anything

[craggy dagger]

nothin i can think of

[zinc totem]

raging bolt not really need to creep

it got priority attack thats OP anyway

also not gonna lie, i played abit of thought using floatzel pelipper in that zacian team

[modern harbor]

which mons?

[craggy dagger]

just whimsy but it shouldnt be too hard

[zinc totem]

hey question: how well zacian pairs with shifu dark?

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen94v4doublesdraft-2157622671 if anyone'ss interested

@bold geode fix your incin lol

also i'll send you my OTS in the other place

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen94v4doublesdraft-2157625066

[modern harbor]

oop im hunting that rn

[nocturne holly]

what is this other place 😭

[molten oasis]

i aint telling you shit

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Morning

[foggy lodge]

Good morning

Even tho here is almost 11pm but good morning

[nocturne holly]

Fr lmao

Morning

[zinc totem]

there we go https://pokepast.es/6d036d849d9873e9 (Urshifu rapid strikes always should replace floatzel or wellspring ogerpon mask! but i decided add floatzel there just for this pokepast)

[craggy dagger]

Good Morning Tofu!
did u sleep well?

[mighty stump]

I knocked out after work lol

[zinc totem]

@mighty stump MORNING MY MAAAN! ❤️

[mighty stump]

Even though I didn't have that many consults

[zinc totem]

hows my favourite dood doing?

[molten oasis]

morning tofu

[mighty stump]

I'm alright, thanks for asking

Making a team for the OPL

[molten oasis]

nice

[mighty stump]

and also should do something for Inkay Games

[zinc totem]

whats OPL?

[mighty stump]

This week's theme is no moves above power of 60

[mighty stump]

Opal League, so another team draft league

[molten oasis]

cant wait for tera fairy draingin kiss caly to be everywhere lol

nah but that sounds fun

[mighty stump]

It's a pretty big event with some pro players

[zinc totem]

make something around ancient power

[mighty stump]

Its Series 1++

[molten oasis]

oh

[mighty stump]

So no Paradox/LEgends

[molten oasis]

are the dlc mons allowed?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[molten oasis]

thats cool

[foggy lodge]

Bullet punch Scizor

Les gooo

[mighty stump]

Yeah Technicians are being looked at obviously

But I have something people didn't realise

[molten oasis]

maushold maybe

[zinc totem]

Minccino with bullet seed ands tail slap .

[molten oasis]

no cuz pop bomb would have more than 60

[mighty stump]

Moe description is the limiting factor

Pop bomb is base 10

So it's allowed

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

Acrobatics/Stored Power/Power Trip are also allowed

[rustic mountain]

wen u say series 1 ++ are the 2 plus for the dlc mons

[zinc totem]

Minccino with loaded dice technician bullet seed,tail slap could be funny and good

[mighty stump]

yeap

[molten oasis]

oh

so, shifu (if legal) would be able to use SS

[rustic mountain]

yea

[mighty stump]

I also already have a counter to those multihit mons

[molten oasis]

cool

[mighty stump]

no legends

[rustic mountain]

but he said no legends right

[molten oasis]

thats why i said (if legal)

[rustic mountain]

incin/rilla gna go crazy

grassy glide

[foggy lodge]

Double grassy with ogerpon¿

[molten oasis]

lol

[rustic mountain]

no legends

[foggy lodge]

I forget that Ogerpon is legendary lmao

[molten oasis]

no legends, i was just saying an exmaple, if it was legal

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

which it isnt, anyway have fun with that

[graceful flare]

It's only 55 base power

[rustic mountain]

literacy is dead

[cyan smelt]

It's 70 but ok

[mighty stump]

Glide is 55

[molten oasis]

no

its been 55 since gen 9 started

got nerfed due to rilla being strong

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

Stupid inaccurate google results

[junior patrol]

Hey so after a few games playing TR I wanted to ask what would be a good set for an Iron Bundle that I wanna have use flip turn to activate weak armor and weakness policy?

[cyan smelt]

Dunno why serebii defaults to the gen 8 info

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[next stump]

that’s a tough strategy to pull of nowadays

off*

[mighty stump]

@next stump Good luck for your week

[next stump]

thank you, you too 🙂

[mighty stump]

Tsuyu is a friend and on team APAC as well for my Region Rumble hahaha

[junior patrol]

I'd like to just give it a shot since I really like TR and wanna see what I can do with it

Also I wouldn't mind doing some more matches with people here to get better at pulling it off

[chrome knot]

opl match day tmrw

[next stump]

you can play TR without gimmicky weakness policy setups that don’t work consistently

if it sounds fun, by all means try it

but most people who see iron bundle + slow partner that is weak to water will expect something like flip turn

[junior patrol]

Fair enough. Cause my TR team right now is Indeedee F, Armarouge, Ursaloona Blood Moon, Hydrapple, Incin, and Stone Mask Ogrepon

[chrome knot]

so wheres your restricted

[mighty stump]

Emma it's been Restricted so it's not there

Obv

Smh

[junior patrol]

Don't have one since this is really my first time ever doing competitve pokemon

All I know is that I wanted to use Armarouge and I knew that TR was good for it

[mighty stump]

Are you familiar with the current metagame? I highly recommend taking a peek at Munchstats.com and also familiarising yourself with the most used Pokemon at the moment

[junior patrol]

Lol not at all familar with the metagame right now. I guess I could give it a look, does the site give builds for mons and stuff?

[mighty stump]

Somewhat. Best thing with statistic sites is to keep in mind there isn't a "best way" and to pick and choose the ones that suit your needs, within reason of course

It's also a good idea to take a look at VictoryRoadVGC and see what teams have done well at events

Since those tend to shape the metagame

[junior patrol]

Oh so is TR not good right now?

[mighty stump]

Teambuilding is always done with respect to the metagame, so it's never a solo endeavour

Only specific forms of TR

[junior patrol]

I assume Armarouge TR isn't good and I should probably just stick to Ursaloon BM and Calyrex then

[zinc totem]

how do I explain someone what tailroom is

they asked if its hybrid trick room

[chrome knot]

medium paced team that can play in both tailwind and trick room

[devout mist]

1st I hear this, concept sounds crazy ngl

[zinc totem]

https://pokepast.es/2a788a65d292a971

i am messing with an idea

[devout mist]

yup crazy idea

[zinc totem]

TailRoom is the ultimate speed control option, allowing the team to have the speed advantage most of the time. which is kinda funny

[bold geode]

Hi Tofu

[zinc totem]

do you think my tailrom with dark shifu and goldehengo does well?

https://pokepast.es/2a788a65d292a971

was thinking suicune little bit

[mighty stump]

It looks ok

I don't like TImid Blursa though.

But that's personal

[zinc totem]

was between timid max speed or modest max speed

[junior patrol]

Do you mind helping me build my first team?

[mighty stump]

Sorry, I'm currently prepping for my own events at the moment

[junior patrol]

Oh no worries I understand. Sorry for the inconvenience

[dull ibex]

vc?

[craggy dagger]

team building mentioned-?

[graceful flare]

I will

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 497: Serperior

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/75/95/75/95/113

Total

528

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[graceful flare]

I'll prove all these haters that say I'm trolling wrong

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[graceful flare]

Should I dm you?

[craggy dagger]

you’re not a troll-
you just reject other ideas and are just so narrow minded that people think you’re a troll

[cyan smelt]

Is literally on a final warning from the mods for being a troll lol

[craggy dagger]

oh-

[graceful flare]

Bro the point of me actually helping him is to prove that I'm not

You need to know what restricted to use then build around it

Now tell me at once what restricted your using

Calurex is the easiest to use shadow rider to be exact

[balmy glen]

eh

Miraidon is easiest to use tbh

[autumn vault]

Yeah i agree with Keanu

Your argument is just "Calyrex-Shadow go brrrr"

[cyan smelt]

It takes skill to use caly s well imo

[autumn vault]

True

But miraidon you can use any electric move with tera and nuke so many things its not even funny

[cyan smelt]

Even resists

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/ff9c8366d2154367 I have also been experimenting with this team after a few opinions

Yeah

[balmy glen]

I got my friend whos been playing pokemon for 1 week to 1400s in bo3

with mirai thats how easy it is to learn to pilot because of how straightforward it is

[autumn vault]

It does seem like it

And we all know how simple it is from Indianapolis regionals

[molten oasis]

seems the chi yu suggestion broke through

[molten oasis]

interesting

like he's just barely starting VGC?

[balmy glen]

Pokémon in general

[molten oasis]

oh thats cool

what made them interested

[autumn vault]

I did read it, plus Chi-Yu feels nicer than Incineroar

Personally i did not want to replace A9 for chi-yu because i would have 2 fire/dark types, too much type repeats so i went with replacing incin instead, plus i have 2 supports anyways so i won't miss it too much

[molten oasis]

does the a9 really do anything

like, i like a9, i really do, i feel torn does its entire job

[autumn vault]

Set up snow and aurora veil
Helping hand for Kyurem-W's blizzards to do big damage
Fairy coverage

[molten oasis]

very weak fairy coverage

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik it won't do big damage or anything

[molten oasis]

you acheive a similar affect for HH with chi yu

with beads

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

I also really like the damage reduction it provides

[molten oasis]

torn can also just manual set snow pretty easily so you can spam blizzard

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

[molten oasis]

so this is why we like av

[autumn vault]

It has that because it helps a lot against Weather MUs

[molten oasis]

more damage reduction, and like, its base 170

it still hurts a lot

[autumn vault]

170 Special Attack modest 252

That alone does huge damage ik

[molten oasis]

u do u just, pointing stuff out

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

[molten oasis]

i dont agree with a9 but whatever

[autumn vault]

I appreciate the help

[molten oasis]

could spend time trying to get a9 ky to work

personally that is

i have my main team locked down now

[balmy glen]

Idk I got them into it randomly

[molten oasis]

fair enough

hopefully they enjoy it

i think i needed some time not bashing my head on a table trying to get niche things to work

cuz, not having the best tools kinda sucks sometimes lol

[autumn vault]

I am also participating in a tournament soon and my opponents know my main pokemon, so i'm planning to bring a legend that i'm sure they won't expect me to use
Plus i really like how it plays, my main Playstyles is Hyper Offense and Set Up Balance and for things i am good at but are not my mains are bulky offense and weather offense, Specs Kyurem is more offensive while AV is although still can pack a punch is more on the Bulky Offense side of things

Also niche strats are not so easy to get working since like you said you don't have the best tools at your disposal and it can take a few adjustments and changes to your team to fully get them working, it's just a proccess

[molten oasis]

yea, a proccess im now getting adjusted to, better

and yea ig thats fair

[autumn vault]

I'm saying this as someone who tried several niche strats in Reg F and a few of them in Reg G

[molten oasis]

i made primarina and gapdos work well on a team in reg f

i top 8 with that team

ik i can do it

[autumn vault]

Which is very good

Yeah you can definitely make them work

[molten oasis]

its the matter of finding something i 1, like enough to make work and 2, actually see it being a strong option into the meta

[autumn vault]

Fair points of view

[molten oasis]

that hasn't quite happened

prima and gapdos are pretty eh

hydra just sucks

[mighty stump]

Snorlax >>>

[molten oasis]

curse snorlax pog

a9 is, weird

[autumn vault]

Curse Snorlax is very interesting i will admit

[molten oasis]

lots of my favorites aren't good rn so ive been hard on zac due to that being the case

[mighty stump]

Im sad I never got to use my Fling Snorlax set

[molten oasis]

lmao what

[autumn vault]

Yeah, we know you love Zacian

[mighty stump]

Yeah its Fling Flame Orb

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[mighty stump]

with Facade and Counter

So I don’t actually have a problem getting burned

[autumn vault]

You are cooking, i can tell

[molten oasis]

yea, and you burn zama if you tera ghost which is nice

[autumn vault]

And yes i can see why you don't have a problem with being burned

[autumn vault]

And most physical attackers that don't have Tera Fire

[molten oasis]

mm, i thought about prima and CIR but like peli exists lol

[mighty stump]

Imagine getting Burned by Snorlax

[molten oasis]

you just use peli

fr

hmm

eh i mean ig like, you want to build around your restricted usually

[autumn vault]

I would just go to the path of, "Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series

[molten oasis]

at least id believe so

the only favorite i got working was pao pult and thats HO which i dont exactly love playing

eh but tbh i did enjoy playing zac this reg so i cant exactly complain

back to pokerogue with flamethrower raging bolt

[autumn vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

ivy has a shuckle and a chansey

this run is going to be, so easy

[autumn vault]

It will be

Shuckle and Blissey are jokes

If you don't play Smogon Singles then they aren't but Shuckle is still pathetic in it

[vital zephyr]

Is there a website where I can see top teams in ladder right now which made it to masterball tier I don’t wanna play what every other person is playing I wanna play a more rogue team played a lot of vgc in sword era but now I wanna play some funny stuff

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2157758948-kp89kxblb1qeze1f0tia29xpa2txkodpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2157760028-1xlm72okqbtu9w18tmgdsw0vzud6pimpw
First bo3 and man was it annoying (also opponent played horribly)

[autumn vault]

Do you want tournament winning teams?

https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/ It's right here

[vital zephyr]

Nah just strong enough for masterball ladder

[autumn vault]

There are teams in #rental_teams that made it to master ball once

Most of the teams there are good

[vital zephyr]

Ok so you think snow is viable cause I rly like the style of it

[autumn vault]

It is

[mighty stump]

Theres also Munchstats for most used mons as well

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Ice and Kyurem-White are good legends that like snow

AKA, get their defenses buffed in the Snow

Most Kyurem-White run AV to get a defense/special defense boost in the snow making it really hard to take down without super effective attacks

[vital zephyr]

What about sand teams ? 🙂

[autumn vault]

Sand teams are viable, but barely

Tyranitar Zamazenta is the most common duo that have Sand in it

[vital zephyr]

Why zamazenta in sand

[autumn vault]

Because Zama does not take damage from Sand

And Tyranitar beats the Ghosts and Psychics that resist Zama's Body Press

And for fairy types just click Behemoth Bash/Heavy Slam

Basically, they have great synergy

And that duo got a good placement in NAIC

NAIC is North America Internacional Championships

[vital zephyr]

Cause I’m thinking of making a weather team which I can carry on to the next game also and weather was always a thing

[autumn vault]

It has been a thing since the beginning of Competitive Pokemon

And has been a thing since Gen 3

[vital zephyr]

But I’m not sure which weather to choose 😂

Sun rain sand or snow

[autumn vault]

Sun and Rain are the most viable rn

Sand and Snow are still good, just not as good as those 2

[vital zephyr]

Kyogre is legal 😂

Played it swsh and it was a monster

[autumn vault]

Yeah

Kyogre has way more counters now

Thankfully you can bypass those weaknesses with Tera Grass

[vital zephyr]

When you needed to build one of the weather teams which one would you build and why

[molten oasis]

Rain>sun>snow>sand

[autumn vault]

Yeah basically

[autumn vault]

Rain or Sun since i really like playing Kyogre (rain) and Groudon (sun)

[vital zephyr]

Can you sent me a cool rain team

I like sun cause I can play my beloved venasaur

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/59543d896b26f688 Play this if you like AV Kyogre

I can find a Hyper Offensive Kyogre

[cyan smelt]

How come basculegion fell off

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/b818fe5ee7d15bd8 This is also a Hyper Offensive Kyogre team

[vital zephyr]

Looks awesome can you paste me a venasaur sun team dunno I like that thing

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/4e2f3ddbaeaa61cf This has Venusaur

I don't have a Venusaur Groudon team however

[cyan smelt]

Tofu had one a while ago

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik

I just think that it's a little complex for someone who isn't that experienced

I can show it here

https://pokebin.com/cc4959a79184eddb

[cyan smelt]

Yeah even I struggled with it and I'm not new

[autumn vault]

I mean Tofu got pretty mad with the team due to misses

[vital zephyr]

Yeah sleep powder ….

[autumn vault]

On my Koraidon team i didn't include more RNG than Sleep Powder

Snarl does not count

[cyan smelt]

Pretty unfair that kyogre has two strong water spread stabs, one that never misses but Groudon only has one ground spread move which is inaccurate

[vital zephyr]

Yeah …

[autumn vault]

Origin Pulse can miss

And Priority can screw over Water Spout's huge damage

[vital zephyr]

But I like hazards and poison sleep and stuff but those teams aren’t viable

[autumn vault]

It will still be strong, just not a nuke button

[patent marsh]

He means water spout

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it's rare that you're getting off a full power water spout ig

[autumn vault]

Ik

Oh wait nvm i see

[patent marsh]

Technically groudon can use the fire type equivalent but you'd need to run a weird mix set

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[cyan smelt]

Ew eruption Groudon

[patent marsh]

Which only primal groudon did good 😭

[autumn vault]

Yeah there are pro players that did try it on Bo1 ladder

Nobody tries it on Bo3 ladder

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon-Primal

Types

Ground/Fire

Abilities

Desolate Land

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/180/160/150/90/90

Total

770

Base Species

Groudon

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[patent marsh]

150 spA

[autumn vault]

I mean that 150 SpA can pack a punch

[graceful flare]

Choice specs groudon?

[patent marsh]

That's bad

Mix set wants to be able to change moves

[autumn vault]

Don't use Specs Groudon

[graceful flare]

Why is everyone using it I mean

[autumn vault]

Also Calyrex is not the all-mighty pokemon of Reg G

[autumn vault]

Hardly any sane person tried it

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon is

[graceful flare]

17 percent of gorudom is using choice specs

[autumn vault]

Just pointing this out since you keep praising it with no good evidence outside of "calyrex shadow go brrr"

[autumn vault]

Most run AV and C-Amulet

Plus before almost nobody tried it

[graceful flare]

You mean me?

I'm using kyogre rn

With that splash plate y feel me

[patent marsh]

?

[autumn vault]

Actually fair enough

[autumn vault]

Just the past, don't worry

[graceful flare]

Calyrex shadow is very good

[patent marsh]

Calyrex shadow go brrr 😭

[autumn vault]

But yes Water Spout can be stronger than astral barrage btw

[patent marsh]

[vital zephyr]

Another question belly drum teams aren’t viable for Bo1 ladder right XD

[autumn vault]

They are more gimmicky tbh

[patent marsh]

Doable but difficult

[autumn vault]

It can work in Bo1 CTS, but not a very good strat

[patent marsh]

Problem with belly drum users they're usually really vulnerable after the use of it

[autumn vault]

Belly Drum users are forced to run Sitrus

[vital zephyr]

What about toxic teams stall teams

[patent marsh]

So you need to position really good or have set that makes it easy

[autumn vault]

Don't even think of that

[graceful flare]

I lost to toxic stall eterantus in vgc

[autumn vault]

Like Belly Drum, it's gimmicky

[patent marsh]

Maybe in singles 😭

Stalling in doubles is pretty difficult

[autumn vault]

Toxic has been removed from so many pokemon

[patent marsh]

Especially when they have Urshifu

[autumn vault]

And Stall has fallen off hard in Singles

[vital zephyr]

I love toxic teams but never saw a good strat on vgc

Nah I just wanna play doubles

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dies-of-cringe-cringe-dust-gif-21399701

Never seen someone enjoy Toxic Stall before

And those teams are not so good

[cyan smelt]

Only one that does it is eternatus and eternatus is so passive

[autumn vault]

Also you do not want to face an Ursaluna Guts if you use a status move as a strat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 890: Eternatus

Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

140/85/95/145/95/130

Total

690

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[autumn vault]

Not really passive

Has the same offensive stat as Landorus Therian

[cyan smelt]

Most of the ones I've seen just use toxic, cosmic power and recover

[autumn vault]

Those are passive

[patent marsh]

It's not as common so I don't think it's much of a problem really, it's mostly urshifu that really stops any stall comp directly since you can't have ez passive turns to let toxic do it's job for example

[autumn vault]

But if you use that Special Attack stat it can hurt

[autumn vault]

true

[vital zephyr]

What about the salt guy

[autumn vault]

And we can't forget the amount of Damage these restricteds can do

[patent marsh]

Same thing

[autumn vault]

Garganacl?

[vital zephyr]

Y

[patent marsh]

Urshifu just eats you 😭

[cyan smelt]

Garganacl too slow

[autumn vault]

It gets Wide Guard and ID BP so it's not bad

And you can use Trick Room to mitigate the speed issue

But yeah not worth using Garg for Stall

Unless it's singles

[cyan smelt]

Same thing with toxapex

[patent marsh]

Baneful bunker aware

[cyan smelt]

Urshifu ignores baneful bunker

[autumn vault]

Yeah, we are aware

[patent marsh]

Yea we are aware

[cyan smelt]

Oops

[autumn vault]

Except that it resists Urshifu's CC and SS

[patent marsh]

Ye

[vital zephyr]

Storm drain?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/198be42c9efb84a3 I'm also planning to bring this team for a tournament

[patent marsh]

Both of rapid strike's stabs are resisted

[vital zephyr]

Does it work against urchifu

[autumn vault]

It's viable, but not amazing

[patent marsh]

Surging strikes is a water move

[autumn vault]

Oh yeah it can work against Urshifu but Raging Bolt can take care of Urshifu Rapid Strike easily

[patent marsh]

And people used to use it to mitigate urshifu but it wasn't 100% reliable

[cyan smelt]

The problem is gastrodon explodes to any grass moves

[patent marsh]

Cause they can just omit bringing urshifu

[autumn vault]

Gastro can be a good water type check and Yawn Pressure is always good

But outside of those 2 things its not that good

[vital zephyr]

Any stall like team in a reg g tournament

[autumn vault]

Nope

No stall at all

[cyan smelt]

Stall doesn't win tournaments

It's not practical, would be too exhausting to play

[vital zephyr]

… oh man I want a gimmicky team with fun interactions 🤣