competitive_discussion

[hollow vessel]

well I didn't make the moveset for the most part

No I know I am sorry

[lofty tartan]

With Cornerstone it becomes a massive 100 base power 100 accuracy Rock move.

[hollow vessel]

That's why I chose it

a 100 Accuracy Rock move is pretty useful

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but if you chose Cornerstone for Rock Ivy Cudgel and didn't end up putting it on there....

[hollow vessel]

whit good damage too

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon-Cornerstone (F) @ Cornerstone Mask
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

This Ogerpon set is most used in Cornerstone,I use Horn Leech Just to be safe cuz i don't like inaccurate Moves that much and Wood Hammer Recoil breaks Sturdy

[dapper crag]

Amazing moverpool it has and it’s honestly crazy.

[hollow vessel]

Bro my friend was probably crazy I don't know

maybe he was tired

[lofty tartan]

He just gave you information based on what he knows.

[hollow vessel]

I guess

[lofty tartan]

Evidently he knows singles.

[hollow vessel]

oh ok it makes sense

[solid frigate]

oh yeah here's the Ogerpon

[hollow vessel]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1720145072:R>.

[lofty tartan]

Like hazards are just not really used at all in Doubles VGC - not enough switching to make them worth the opportunity costs.

[solid frigate]

unless your name is Glimmora

[lofty tartan]

Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, Spikes, Sticky Web - just not good.

[dapper crag]

lol

[solid frigate]

but then again thats the only mon

[lofty tartan]

Yeah because Glimmora removes the opportunity cost.

The cost is taking a turn off to set hazards.

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

yeah

I'll Build a Goodra hold on

[hollow vessel]

k

[molten oasis]

I saw no Ivy cudgel ogerpon

[foggy lodge]

Me too

What happened

[molten oasis]

Why isn’t Ivy cudgel on it lol

[lofty tartan]

Their friend gave them advice and remade their sets, but their friend is a singles player.

[molten oasis]

Ah

That makes sense

[hollow vessel]

It's fixed

I am truly sorry

I am never letting my friend cook again

[molten oasis]

Not sure if I should ask but what’s the status of the team rn

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ever-let-him-cook-awful-meme-cooking-cook-meme-gif-14480420958048402972

[lofty tartan]

DOA

[hollow vessel]

Oh well we are changing moves and other stuff but no new mons

[foggy lodge]

Is it VGC?

[lofty tartan]

I still think you should add a Restricted Legend and definitely ditch Galvantula. God he's bad.

[hollow vessel]

ye doubles

[foggy lodge]

Because uh, no restricted

[hollow vessel]

I know I know

[molten oasis]

G- huh?!?

[lofty tartan]

Yes. Galvantula.

[molten oasis]

Wack team

[hollow vessel]

I like Galvantula is that such a crime?

[dapper crag]

Galvantula

[hollow vessel]

come on

[dapper crag]

Yes he is

[lofty tartan]

It's handicapping yourself for no gain.

[hollow vessel]

Maybe it turns out to be good let's see

[balmy glen]

I mean if you want to perform at a high level don’t use it

[lofty tartan]

...It won't.

[balmy glen]

but if you want to just have fun don’t use it

[dapper crag]

Please trust us

[hollow vessel]

Ok I will use it for a bit if he does not perform well
I will change it

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-gif-7463280333531053022

[hollow vessel]

Fine fine give a better replacement then

pls

[lofty tartan]

Raging Bolt.

[balmy glen]

I’m someone who cooks a lot and it’s not cooking lmao

[lofty tartan]

Zapdos.

[dapper crag]

Perfection

[molten oasis]

Favorites aren’t usually good sorry

[solid frigate]

Goodra-Hisui @ Leftovers
Ability: Shell Armor
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Body Press
• Acid Armor
• Heavy Slam
• Life Dew

and with its Natural Bulk it can survive Close Combat (Urshifu) or Collision Course After Acid Armor

[lofty tartan]

Any electric mon not-named Galvantula

[molten oasis]

It’s the nature of the game

[dapper crag]

Lmao

[hollow vessel]

thanks
Oh and forget my boy Galvantula

[gentle crag]

spark8441 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[molten oasis]

You want eweb run raging bolt

Raging bolt the goat

[lofty tartan]

Sorry this statement just isn't true there are 100% other electric mons equally as bad.

I am sorry for misinformation

[hollow vessel]

bro they need to give him a Mega

[lofty tartan]

[balmy glen]

Raging bolt, Zapdos, Electabuzz if you want electric support which basically what galvantula would have been, Iron Hands

[solid frigate]

E-Web,Volt Switch,Draco and T-Clap

[hollow vessel]

like when Legends Z-A comes out

[solid frigate]

mostly good for AV Support

[dapper crag]

Iron hands is so goated

[hollow vessel]

I want my Galvantula Mega

[lofty tartan]

Joltik has two illustrator rare cards recently released in the TCG already

It's wild.

[hollow vessel]

I think I will go for Raging Bolt

[balmy glen]

Most meta one so sure

[lofty tartan]

You can't go wrong with Bolt.

[hollow vessel]

ok then any comments on the team itself besides that?

[dapper crag]

Fr

[lofty tartan]

But absolutely get a Restricted Legend on your team. Make them the idea of your team captain and build to support them. Then go kick in some doors.

[dapper crag]

What would be a good restricted legendary for this team though?

[solid frigate]

Zenitsu (Raging Bolt) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Def / 100 SpA / 52 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature

• Thunderclap
• Electroweb
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch

The one i used for my Terapagos Team tanks one Icicle Crash From Chien Pao and Moonblast from Flutter Mane thanks to the Assault Vest,Alternatively you can run Snarl if you hate Special Attackers

[balmy glen]

What’s the 6 again

[lofty tartan]

Where's my Xerneas/Zacian/Regidrago core already? What a rip off.

[chrome knot]

keanu do you have any cute bolt spreads laying around

[balmy glen]

I do but I left my house

[balmy glen]

What team are u on for OPL again

[dapper crag]

Nice demon slayer reference

[lofty tartan]

Ability: Protosynthesis  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Electric  
EVs: 132 HP / 148 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 20 Atk  
- Thunderclap  
- Thunderbolt  
- Draco Meteor  
- Protect  ```

Personally been using this for a booster Bolt.

Obviously you can put in Eweb or whatever.

[hollow vessel]

Yo the name goes well whit Thunderclap

[balmy glen]

Give him an AV one of he wants support

[hollow vessel]

but everyone and their grandma used it already so

[foggy lodge]

imo i think it's better to rebuild the whole team

[balmy glen]

I forgot what the 6 was already lmao

[hollow vessel]

...

[lofty tartan]

It's this @balmy glen

[hollow vessel]

my poor Galvantula man
I am fine whit replacing him
But why the others fr

[solid frigate]

also Toxapex sucks

Run something like Shifu kek

[chrome knot]

cannot disclose this info…

[hollow vessel]

kek stands for what again

[balmy glen]

Brother what

[chrome knot]

[solid frigate]

[chrome knot]

bc i feel my answer is a decider on this spread

[hollow vessel]

english is not my native language I am sorry

[chrome knot]

im on tumbleweeds tho

[hollow vessel]

why do I feel like that was a joke

[solid frigate]

anyways guys what restricted do we need to throw on this team

[lofty tartan]

Batman

Kidding aside - no idea.

[solid frigate]

I almost thought Lunala lmao

[hollow vessel]

you said Urshifu right?

[lofty tartan]

It's hard to start with some six and jam a Restricted in because the original setup isn't really built with one in mund to support.

[hollow vessel]

Isn't it Restricted

[lofty tartan]

Not restricted.

[solid frigate]

thats not a Restricted

[lofty tartan]

Legal, but not restricted.

[hollow vessel]

bro I am totally out of the rules for this group

[solid frigate]

It does feel like a Pagos Team or the Hoodra Calyrex Team from Los Angles Regionals

[hollow vessel]

why do I have the feeling that this team will just become meta whitout anything that I like?

[balmy glen]

Would you like to build around 1 funny mon then?

[lofty tartan]

Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are not legal because not in S/V

[solid frigate]

because start with meta first to gain knowledge and experience then Play niche is better

[hollow vessel]

I don't know
I wanted to keep Goodra at least

[hollow vessel]

I see

[balmy glen]

It’s not like you’re playing competitively… so you could pick 1 or 2 funny kind

[solid frigate]

can't do the Pagos Zygarde team ;-; but eh screw that lmao

[hollow vessel]

Ok ok

but ye the team replaced Galvantula whit Raging Bolt

but I need a restricted

[balmy glen]

I mean if your goal is masterball I got to masterball with a Phanpy

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[hollow vessel]

goated

[foggy lodge]

imo it's better to pick one restricted and build the team around it

[solid frigate]

wait actually?

[hollow vessel]

that's just what I want to acomplish first

[foggy lodge]

Because restricteds aren't like just a glue to the team

[hollow vessel]

I see what I want to do later

[balmy glen]

Yes xd

[hollow vessel]

after I learn

[balmy glen]

Masterball is easy

It’s easier than my locals

[lofty tartan]

You can absolutely hit masterball with low-tier mons and good play.

[solid frigate]

Gameplan+Restricted>Partners

[foggy lodge]

Do you still have the team lol?

[balmy glen]

Yes but I’m not home

[lofty tartan]

Not even great play, but good play.

And still stand to lose a bunch of matches

[hollow vessel]

it's basically for me to learn
the DLC part 2 itself is like a door for casual players to start liking it I guess

[solid frigate]

which is your mental

[lofty tartan]

Like each season I get 3 accounts to Master Ball.

It's now a baseline

[balmy glen]

I think I peeked top 200 with Phanpy

Such a funny lil guy

[solid frigate]

i'm mostly in Great Ball in Cart but mid ladder in Showdown,I'm fine with the result cuz its shows my progress and where should i try fixing myself

[lofty tartan]

Any progress is good progress.

All victories should be celebrated.

[balmy glen]

I mostly just play showdown when getting ready for a tournament but messing around on cart is fun

[solid frigate]

and every loss shows a valueable lesson

[balmy glen]

My Phanpy is endeavor ice shard btw

[solid frigate]

Cart sometimes have stupid moments

[lofty tartan]

I mean not every loss is a lesson - sometimes you just fail. That's okay too.

[hollow vessel]

ye that's how losses work

[lofty tartan]

Like if you just get straight outplayed there's not always a lesson to be gleaned from it.

[hollow vessel]

yo Torrent can you make the Arcanine one?

we are replacing Toxpex so

[solid frigate]

i'm not that good in Arcanine.

[hollow vessel]

oh ok

[lofty tartan]

I have an okay Harc spread

[hollow vessel]

we need a Hisuian Arcanine specialist

[hollow vessel]

let us see it then pls

[lofty tartan]

Lemme just find it

[balmy glen]

Honestly those are the games you can learn a lot from because even if it seems like you got outplayed there’s stuff you need to work on

[hollow vessel]

ok

[solid frigate]

its not specialist is just that i don't really like H-Arc

[lofty tartan]

Right - I agree. But again, not every loss has some lesson to be learned. There are times when you just lose despite playing your best.

Arcanine-Hisui @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Extreme Speed
• Rock Slide
• Tera Blast

Took me a little to dig it up.

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/286835cef5196784
Is it a good time to actually use this team in B03

or should i go for 1500-1600

[lofty tartan]

Tera Types for Harcanine that are usually decent are Fairy/Normal/Ghost (but Ghost can be tricky around Caly-S - solely for fake out and fighting moves)

[solid frigate]

I think Fairy Rn is the best

[lofty tartan]

I like Fairy a lot

[solid frigate]

Normal you still die to Koraidon and Urshifu

[daring pumice]

I’ve seen rock before and it was rock head head smash

Ow

[solid frigate]

and i saw Tera Water before so i think that works but Miraidon exists

[hollow vessel]

It's fine

[lofty tartan]

Water still a very strong Tera

Just in a general sense

[hollow vessel]

we still need to choose a restricted tough

[lofty tartan]

Grass is good too I guess.

[hollow vessel]

for Harcanine?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah just musing about common teras.

[hollow vessel]

Well it could probably be useful against incoming Ground or Water moves

if needed

[lofty tartan]

I'm wondering why your friend wanted Sunny Day on this team with nothing to really benefit from it beyond Flutter.

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Shadow?

Monke tested IDBP Kommo-o+Calyrex Shadow before,I guess it wasn't that bad

[hollow vessel]

Ok maybe I should have mentioned this

[lofty tartan]

Caly-S could be okay but with only Ogerpon to redirect for it I'm... iffy on the idea of that?

[hollow vessel]

I do not posess a Calyrex

I don't have the DLC for Sword and Shield

just for SV

[solid frigate]

ok that limits a little bit but its ok

[balmy glen]

What game of SV do u have

[hollow vessel]

Maybe someone could trade it

[balmy glen]

do you have sword and shield in general

[hollow vessel]

Scarlet

[hollow vessel]

I have Sword

[solid frigate]

Koraidon doesn't sound bad in this right?

[balmy glen]

What’s the 6 again xd

[hollow vessel]

another dragon tough

[lofty tartan]

Just doesn't have really anything that benefits from Sun apart from Flutter

[hollow vessel]

isn't that bad?

[lofty tartan]

Double Dragon is fine.

You're only taking 4 mons to each match.

[hollow vessel]

no triple Dragon

[balmy glen]

what

[solid frigate]

I mean i run Raging Bolt+Archaludon before

No Biggie

[hollow vessel]

Torrent mentioned Koraidon

[lofty tartan]

Goodra doesn't have the same weaknesses.

[balmy glen]

but what would be the other 2

[hollow vessel]

I have H-Goodra and Raging Bolt already

[balmy glen]

Bolt and what else

[hollow vessel]

And I do not want to remove Goodra

[lofty tartan]

Koraidon

[hollow vessel]

He needs to be on my team

[balmy glen]

Do you have sword/shield or you don’t have it in general @hollow vessel

[solid frigate]

ok i know i played Pagos a lot but Does this team look like a Pagos team or a Koraidon team

[hollow vessel]

I have Sword

[lofty tartan]

He said he has Sword

[solid frigate]

cuz in my head i kinda see a bit of Pagos Energy in this team

[lofty tartan]

With Bolt and Flutter you can make a good bid for Koraidon

[next stump]

Koraidon is a good shout given the limitations

[hollow vessel]

Ok so let's recap

[solid frigate]

yeah i did use both on Koraidon Team before(It does not last long cuz i don't really like to play as Koraidon but eh its fun When it last)

[hollow vessel]

Ogerpon Cornerstone
H-Goodra
Flutter Mane
Raging Bolt
Koraidon

or did I miss something

OH ARCANINE

Bruh I hate my stupid head sometimes

[solid frigate]

why the fuck this team is so Terapagos to me-

Anyways yes Arcanine

[lofty tartan]

Because you're biased

[solid frigate]

looks good for a Sun team

[hollow vessel]

hm

[solid frigate]

Outside of Bolt and Flutter does it have speed Control?

[hollow vessel]

ok now I just need the builds for Arcanine and Koraidon

but still 3 Dragons right?

[solid frigate]

no its just i see so many Pagos team with Flutter or bolt lmao

[hollow vessel]

Ogerpon is fast too

[solid frigate]

CAHO (Koraidon) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Collision Course
• Flame Charge
• Flare Blitz
• Protect

[hollow vessel]

thanks

[gentle crag]

spark8441 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

no i mean Tailwind,Trick Room,Thunder Wave etc

[hollow vessel]

Oh bruh of course you do sorry

Well before Galvantula had Sticky Web I think

[lofty tartan]

Ability: Intimidate  
Level: 50  
Shiny: Yes  
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 180 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Flare Blitz  
- Extreme Speed  
- Rock Slide  
- Tera Blast/Head Smash```

[hollow vessel]

but he got banned to the Shadow Realm

[hollow vessel]

thanks

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1720147369:R>.

[solid frigate]

this team has no option to stall TR or Use TR unless Raging Bolt and h-Goodra

which you might not use it in every fight

[hollow vessel]

Where do I put the last 4?

[solid frigate]

HP

[hollow vessel]

ok

[hollow vessel]

You think Tera Blast is more useful than Head Smash?

probably right?

in this case it's Fairy

[lofty tartan]

I mean I guess it depends. Tera Blast helps with coverage but sometimes misses KOs, imo. Head Smash is good neutral damage into most things but has a ton of recoil.

Personal preference.

[hollow vessel]

I think I might go whit Tera Blast just in case

ok @solid frigate , @lofty tartan the team is here

[dapper crag]

Looking good

[solid frigate]

outside of nothing on covering TR besides Bolt and H-Goodra,this is fine

[hollow vessel]

what would you change then

I am open for almost everything

to change

[molten oasis]

Triple dragon is something

[solid frigate]

technically double but it can work

[molten oasis]

It’s 3 dragons

Ik hoodra is a steel dragon type

It’s still 3 dragons

[solid frigate]

cuz Hoodra is Part Steel so it does not really care about fairies

[hollow vessel]

Oh wait I just tough about something

So Flutter Mane is using Booster Energy

but would that be useful whit Koraidon on the team?

like maybe we could give it another item

[solid frigate]

Its Speed Booster,and without Koraidon it can still activate

[lofty tartan]

It lets you additionally boost without Koraidon/Sun, or you can run Sash or Specs

[hollow vessel]

Oh ok

[solid frigate]

For this set,Specs is meh so Sash is a generally better item if you don't use Booster

[hollow vessel]

So I give Flutter Mane sash or am I not getting this

[lofty tartan]

Frankly if it were max/max Sash makes more sense because you're not worrying much about bulk at that point.

With Specs, bulk tends to be pretty good because you can't protect

[hollow vessel]

Ok so what should I go for?

Again I am talking about Flutter Mane

[bold geode]

[hollow vessel]

still thinking about putting it on my team?

I just want to get the item on Flutter Mane ready

[molten oasis]

What would happen if it shifted forms in your hands

[solid frigate]

no i just do this for funni

[solid frigate]

i think its not that heavy right

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

What if it Tera’s in your hands

[solid frigate]

yeah i can lift it

[solid frigate]

yeah i die

thats why you hold it gentle

[hollow vessel]

So I use Sash then?

[molten oasis]

Yea

Unless you want the bulk

[hollow vessel]

Flutter Mane in general is more of a glass canon right?

[molten oasis]

Ehhhh

[hollow vessel]

I think I might just go whit a sash

[molten oasis]

Flutters a fast speed control Mon rn

I think

It’s that or a fast sweeper in sun

[hollow vessel]

I have Koraidon

so ye

not a problem at all

[solid frigate]

you are correct

[hollow vessel]

So Sash is the way

[lofty tartan]

Speed control is through one of the 3 moves that Flutter has, usually, the rest are for damage or disruption. So it can be both

[molten oasis]

Yea

[lofty tartan]

Stuff can be two things.

[molten oasis]

Yea true

[dapper crag]

Flutter can fulfill so many roles it’s crazy.

[solid frigate]

its not called as no.1 Paradox Pokemon without a Reason

bolt has potential but its nowhere close as Flutter

[chrome knot]

w h a t

end of reg f & start of reg g was literally “does your team beat raging bolt?”

[solid frigate]

but like Flutter Mane's Versatility is too good

[hollow vessel]

Ok then

I think we are good to go

one of them is lvl 100 tough

so I need to train it

and make the calcs to make sure it turns out as I want

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have an av bolt spread and a miracle seed rilla?

[bold geode]

Paste in my last rental for Meadow Plate Rilla
Basically same thing

[hollow vessel]

Ok guys thanks for the help @solid frigate @lofty tartan
Tomorrow I will test the team more and then we could discuss changes or just how well it does in general
Cya

[gentle crag]

spark8441 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456, dazedmika

[molten oasis]

Bolt is the top paradox wtf are you on

Like easily it’s the best one

[solid frigate]

ok ok,eitther bolt or Flutter ok

Like ik i make hot takes but this is just generally just my brain moment

[fickle void]

The best Pokémon in Indigo Disk is Araquanid because it's Araquanid. I feel these unique and distinct traits give Araquanid a serious edge over the competition. Araquanid is both a spider and a bubble which is an extremely powerful combination. Whilst other pokemon have specific niches they perform well in, Araquanid is the only Araquanid in the game and provides a specific Araquanid - centric experience. I expect to see Araquanid in every team going forward owing to everything I've mentioned.

Thank you

[mighty stump]

Okay thanks for your very post

[solid frigate]

POV:Corny's Alt Account

[devout mist]

Isn't Flutter Mane good too ?

[molten oasis]

Well yes it’s a great Mon

Bolt is better than it

[molten oasis]

?

[devout mist]

I think it's hard to say who is better

[molten oasis]

I don’t

[devout mist]

They fit well on teams I tried so far

No need to be aggro and say wtf you on imo

[dull ibex]

vc?

[molten oasis]

Im in and have been in an aggressive mood for a while

So, it kinda happens without me realizing what I said

https://x.com/joemerrick/status/1809089939285426229?s=46

Joe Merrick (@JoeMerrick) on X

It's happening. Plush for Walking Wake, Gouging Fire and Raging Bolt are coming to the Pokémon Center in Japan

Twitter · Jul 5, 2024, 5:00 AM

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-excited-explode-happy-spongebob-squarepants-gif-12971731

[dull ibex]

A hyper aggressive attitude one could say

[molten oasis]

Haha

[wet moss]

Hello i just recently started playing competitive and ive built my team and im kinda satisfied with it but im looking for a better spread on my flutter mane so it can live a few more attacks, any recommendations on the move sets or ev would be nice. Heres the paste: https://pokepast.es/3782e5f9f6f6b468 thanks

[devout mist]

The team looks nice, you got a lot of strong Pokemon

[autumn vault]

1. Why Aguav Berry on Incin? Safety Goggles, Assault Vest and Sitrus are the best for it
2. Personally not a fan of that flutter set, you can invest in bulk and replace Mystical Fire for Icy Wind to take full advantage of Booster Energy Speed
3. Band on Chien Pao is not good, Sash and Life Orb are the best items on it and Choice Ban is not, also don't run Snarl and replace it for protect if you want to opt for the previous items i stated
4. Poison Jab Urshifu is not great rn, Aqua Jet is better for that, Ik Scarf with a priority move is weird but you can revenge kill and stuff

The members are good just not their sets

[wet moss]

For the safety googles i havent really seen amoongus yet in my like 25 matches but ive only got up to rank 8 in game and i can change it for the sitrus berry if its better
Yeah i dont know what spead i should do on the flutter mane so if you have a good ev for it i would be thankfull and i will change the icy wind then
Tbf ive been just ussing incin caly s flutter and urshifu mostly no matter the team so i play against but i can change that
I have it the poison jab for tera fairy but i can change that also
Thanks

[gentle crag]

fijipko69 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 132 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Icy Wind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Protect
  This is the spread i use

[graceful flare]

I'd use more rizz and ice spinner instead of poison jab and I don't exactly understand why you need priority when you out speed csr

[autumn vault]

Pls don't do this

Ice Spinner on Urshifu is not worth it

[graceful flare]

I'd use d gleam instead of mon blast

[autumn vault]

Priority is always useful

D-Gleam over Mooblast is not worth it

[graceful flare]

Why u need priority

[autumn vault]

To finish off some pokemon that you wouldn't outspeed

And also generally nice to have

[graceful flare]

Bro you have a choice scarf

[autumn vault]

Aqua Jet is also nice to outspeed T-Clap from bolt, making that fail

[graceful flare]

Good point

[autumn vault]

And also helps with Sucker Punch

And obviously finishing off some pokemon you can't outspeed even with scarf

[wet moss]

Alright thanks i will use the aqua jet i agree with your points im gonna go grind for money so i can redoo the flutter spread

And how often do people use foul play?

Because the flutter and caly i have are 31 attack

[autumn vault]

For flutter mane? Never

[wet moss]

And for caly?

[autumn vault]

People run foul play

For flutter don't worry about it

For calyrex-Shadow rider it's best to remove the possible pokemon with foul play

[next stump]

good morning

[dapper crag]

Good morning

[autumn vault]

Good morning

[steady cove]

Can someone battle me in Let's Go? I made a new competitive format.

[mighty stump]

Morning all.

Well actually, it's night time for me

But morning for everyone else

Lmao

[charred saddle]

night night

[molten oasis]

Guess I’m running on 5 hours of sleep today 🫠

Morning y’all

[plain drum]

[molten oasis]

Nah give that to tofu it night time for him

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155632649

My teams better

[zinc totem]

whats good ev setup for zacian? (max attack and speed with Jolly mint?) got normal zacian now from sv server member for shiny spriga :3

[nocturne holly]

Depends on what set
If you want sd dragos set is really good
Tera blast or stellar Tera max max is good

[molten oasis]

Is it running SD?

[zinc totem]

this is what i was thinking to try actually

[molten oasis]

Athena (Zacian-Crowned) @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Play Rough
• Behemoth Blade
• Swords Dance
• Protect

[zinc totem]

interesting. Is there other set that could be fun? but this is i definetly going to try now ❤️ thanks

[gentle crag]

exzlu has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

Zac kinda does that one thing or it does 3 attacks

[zinc totem]

haha yeah.

[molten oasis]

Athena (Zacian-Crowned) @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Play Rough
• Behemoth Blade
• Swords Dance
• Protect

[zinc totem]

i was thinking if CC/crunch was worth to consider but SD set going be fun to try

[molten oasis]

This one takes 252 spa timid +2 astral barrage

[nocturne holly]

Getting one sd off basically lets you ohko everything

[molten oasis]

Not crunch but cc can be okay

[nocturne holly]

and it does so much damage even without sd

[molten oasis]

Sacred sword is probably better for iron defense mons (zama)

[zinc totem]

yeah was thinking instead SD have one more attack but im defo gonna try the one that survives +2 astrral barrage one haha

[molten oasis]

Go for it

Zac has really good bulk, for some reason

[zinc totem]

haha

I always wanted zacian so im glad i traded in here and i got it for myshiny hatched spriga too haha

[molten oasis]

Nice

[zinc totem]

tbf its my fav of two dogs

and i might name it after my dog beacuse wednesday/thursday nigth she swinged stick like a sword

[mighty stump]

Theres a JPN Zac spread

[molten oasis]

I’m just, trying to understand what I’m looking at

That lives ep+vacuum wave from Bloodmoon?

wtf is kairyu

Oh it’s dnite

[mighty stump]

Electro Drift, Specs Shadow Ball, EP + Vacuum Wave, +1 Astral Barrage,

[nocturne holly]

Are those the straight Japanese translations?

[molten oasis]

That has to be a bulky Zac

Mm actually if I figure out the +1 astral I can figure out everything else

Life orb boosted ep vacuum wave?

252+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 204 HP / 0 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 156-186 (80.8 - 96.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusion-cat-white-cat-im-confusion-gif-16828447

THAT LIVES EDRIFT?!?

I’m gonna be in that calculator for a while

So mine already lives astral barrage and edrift if it isn’t specs

Now I’m trying to figure out the vacuum wave earth power

252+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 146-174 (73.3 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Vacuum Wave vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 22-27 (11 - 13.5%) -- possible 8HKO

That has to be close

Well, no, cuz, mmm

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Flutter Mane Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 129-153 (64.8 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I’m so confused lol

Tf does endurance mean

In this context

[balmy glen]

covert cloak mirai teams are bad

(my friend got rank 1 with it) its still bad tho

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

I’m still, yea idk

The Bloodmoon calc is putting me off more than anything cuz my Zac already lives +2 astral barrage

[lusty gull]

I've just bred a Treecko with modest nature, 5 IV's and unburden. Can anyone help recommend a build I can use? I'd rather utilise it's higher Sp Atk

Or is overgrow better?

[zinc totem]

i feel so dumb right now

i lost to quick claw ditto

[next stump]

are you planning on playing singles or doubles with it?

[lusty gull]

Singles

I have modest, 5 IV of each ability so I can manuever

[next stump]

I don’t play singles so I can’t speak myself, but I also don’t really see anyone else using it on stats websites

you can try to check here and see if this sparks any ideas https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/sceptile/

[lusty gull]

120 base speed, timid isn't exactly necessary I'd say. I'd rather the raw power

Life orb, tera blast ice, giga drain, focus blast and what else?

Dragon pulse mayhaps? For extra coverage

Maybe synthesis?

[next stump]

https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/homebss

Check usage stats here and you can figure out your coverage moves based off what’s popular and what your team needs to hit

[craggy dagger]

cloak mirai-?

[solid frigate]

w o t

[craggy dagger]

just backreading

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

It’s a thing if

Cloak calm mind maybe

[craggy dagger]

well i know that cause i tried cm cloak mirai

but-
it’s not that good

[molten oasis]

Oh is the trend emojis next to usernames now

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

Hehe

You have a trident next to your username

[craggy dagger]

oh

wanted something to do with the sea-
trident was the first thing that came into mind

[molten oasis]

puts dragon emoji, uses dragon murdering machine

[craggy dagger]

anyways i disappear again-

[molten oasis]

Bye nova

[bold geode]

[autumn vault]

#BullyMonke #MonkeASMR

[molten oasis]

Oh god it’s spreading like a disease

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2155731622-1eg9rk77ajh36ruyhwbp11tg0ktdu4fpw lol

Specs Kyogre is so much fun

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have an av bolt spread

[bold geode]

Someone should shove you into a locker

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[bold geode]

It's called calc to survive Glacial Lance

[nocturne holly]

What about sp def calcs

[bold geode]

You can do that and hit the 108 spatk mark, and still have respectable Spdef calcs

[bold geode]

Whatever is left tbh
It don't need too much speed

Plus AV

[autumn vault]

You can go 132 HP 148 Def, survives Glacial Lance

4 Sp Def with AV since you survive 252 specs moonblast from flutter

[nocturne holly]

252+ glacialanxe?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[bold geode]

Lyco no offense but I was trying to help teach Sour how to calc shit more

[autumn vault]

Oh right

Sorry about that

[bold geode]

Trying not to hand out stuff as much

[nocturne holly]

are there a lot of 252+ calys out there

[bold geode]

How in tf do these people in hotdog contests even

One mfer eating 57 hotdogs in 5 1/2 minutes
Wtf

[next stump]

on ladder yeah there's a decent amount

[bold geode]

He also ate more hotdogs than 4 soldiers COMBINED

How tf do you do that

Can't even imagine how your stomach must feel after that

[nocturne holly]

+1 252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Raging Bolt: 165-195 (76 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
with no sp def investment and w/o av it lives a +1 barrage

idk if i should do av or booster

really the only reason i want av is to use electroweb on it

is 252+ chien icicle crash relevant anymore

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 132 HP / 148 Def / 220 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Electroweb

[chrome knot]

Shiny:Yes ?

[nocturne holly]

shiii it can’t be shiny

forget that

[lusty gull]

Ight so, I have an eviolite Dragonair ready to go, or do I try and get a tanky Latias?

Team consists of Hoenn starter trio, garde, darkrai

[next stump]

Darkrai cannot be used in competitive battles in game

[foggy lodge]

Is it smogon or OU doubles things?

[misty helm]

how effectively could gliscor role as an attacker

[balmy glen]

Doubles OU doesn’t allow Darkrai either

[misty helm]

also is umbreon able to be good at damage with calm mind

[next stump]

no, if you're using Umbreon just use it as a bulky disruptor with yawn/foul play/snarl/etc.

[misty helm]

take a look at this set and I want to know if you think I'm cooking https://pokepast.es/fc43b4b76a0d9288

it would have a special attack as high as raikou after calm mind

in other words around that of 115 base

do you think that it would fail to function

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b5de4844b67837ec

[next stump]

don't play singles so I cant say for sure but it looks bad

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/921e3496a730cf54 what about the sleepy kittens rather

[next stump]

I don't see how that set really does anything against the Reg G meta in singles

[chrome knot]

gm keanu & dillon

[misty helm]

okay I will try to come up with something then

[zinc totem]

what has been your tightest win? for me it happened now. I used protect on my zacian but almost regretted it cuz i had 1hp pelipper but opponent was targeting my zacian so i got free weather ball under harsh sun on it

[solid frigate]

Kyogre

moment

[zinc totem]

this just is funny

[next stump]

good morning?!?!

[chrome knot]

as in like a i jus got home from work

hello

[balmy glen]

What

[solid frigate]

The Koraidon LMAO

[chrome knot]

hai hru

[balmy glen]

Good hbu

bro OPL boutta be hilarious

Brandon Davis and myself on the same team is so jokes

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b5de4844b67837ec thoughts? Would av be better in rilla and then use booster on bolt? I like av on bolt cuz then I can use e web on it

[chrome knot]

i good i good

opl got me super motivated to play a bunch tbh

[zinc totem]

Ayo

[mighty stump]

GM all

[zinc totem]

GM tofu!

[nocturne holly]

Morning

[molten oasis]

Late morning tofu

[mystic hatch]

Should rapid strike urshifu have choice scarf or mystic water

[next stump]

depends on the team to be honest, both items are viable

[strange fjord]

if only Urshifu had enough space on their necks for both

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-rapid-strike-surging-strike-pokemon-tower-of-waters-gif-23032736

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-drumming-pokemon-leon-gif-5613732357873094813

[strange fjord]

huh

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[lofty tartan]

Someone fetch a stretcher

https://tenor.com/view/chansey-giovanni-gif-23936901

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-wood-hammer-pokemon-gif-7274090915577562669

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/terminal-montage-gigantamax-urshifu-gigantamax-lapras-you-fool-max-guard-gif-9735429938740160847

[molten oasis]

POV:fluttermane

[bold geode]

Lol

[dapper crag]

Lmao

[chrome knot]

oah one of my irls qualified for the olympics

[balmy egret]

anyone wanna 1v1? if u win ill give u a free shiny or legendary

[solid frigate]

this is either a scam or real deal

but mostly scammy

[balmy glen]

obviously can’t do it if you do real competitive lol

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

how can i make a team that makes Chi Yu and Boulder super deadly with good pairing of Restricteds

already have a core of Boulder,Chi Yu and Whimsicott

[devout mist]

Miraidon looks good with these

[solid frigate]

i guess,its Chi yu and Boulder is so damn Strong against Most stuff that does not have a Ground Move

https://pokepast.es/96264940508978b1

Rn this is the concept

[nocturne holly]

shouldn’t you make a team around a restricted 😭

Kyogre could be good for the ground weakness and also completes the fwg core

Tbh rilla is also good for ground and is good with kyogre

[solid frigate]

the reason i wanna do that cuz i did think of editing Pagos team before but i wanna see if the partners have something

[calm gulch]

[autumn vault]

Your, not bullying monke?

[autumn vault]

lol

[zinc totem]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-grokeey-gif-21487616

[sharp cobalt]

Who won tho

[zinc totem]

out of curiousity: how much skill need to have get to master ball tier?

[bold geode]

Not too much tbh
Just need knowledge of the game and to be able to play it out
Also good team of course

[plain drum]

Simply have a bad team that confuses people so much they don't know what to do and you win /s

[autumn vault]

Me

The Weavile player

[zinc totem]

yeah assumed so. Its shame that you dont need any skill to get there haha. but climb ranks you do so its pretty okay pay off

[next stump]

pokémon’s in game rank system is weird

hitting masterball versus getting a very high rank in masterball are both very different skill level required

most games to hit the max rank bracket, you need a very high amount of skill

[zinc totem]

haha yeah

[dapper crag]

Why is there so many kyogre

[zinc totem]

cuz one of best water type special attackers

water spout is very valuable

[dapper crag]

I know I’m being salty right now

[zinc totem]

for me my kryptonite is koraidon

that dragon is pain in existence for me

[dapper crag]

Well also trick room

Too bad that I don’t like slow characters

[zinc totem]

scarf/specs tailwind kyogre is also thing

[dapper crag]

Nahhh I outspend everything but tbh I think choice item sets are bad to doubless

[zinc totem]

but fo´r me i wonder how much value special attackers have for teams cuz if i swap one pokemon out to one i want test, it makes completely physical team except two but they're more support pokemons than anything

[dapper crag]

Wait can you check my team?

[zinc totem]

ask dillon or tofu

[chrome knot]

mostly av…

[zinc totem]

av kyogre is nasty ngl

[bold geode]

Wolfe released the Raichu team with Zamazenta on it on my bday? Awesome

[nocturne holly]

Happy bday stinky monke👏

[dapper crag]

Also I wonder why amoonguss is so Tanky since I’m using mystica fire with specs flutter mane and he barely loses hp

[bold geode]

Thx, I am a stinky smelly bitch

[bold geode]

Because that's just what Amoongus do lol

[nocturne holly]

Can we see the team😭

[dapper crag]

Sure let me get my switch

[nocturne holly]

stink stinky stinkerston 🤮🤮

[nocturne holly]

Do you know boss to upload to a poke paste

[dapper crag]

I don’t, I just joined this server

[nocturne holly]

It’s in pins

[dapper crag]

Where to find the pins 💦 actually I’m also new to discord

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by .begulajr.. Message from · Feb 20, 2024, 6:08 PM

[calm gulch]

[dapper crag]

Move: Mystical Fire

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[next stump]

weak ass move without STAB

[chrome knot]

not this shit

do not put this on flutter

[zinc totem]

do you want icicle crash or ice spinner chien-pao?

[chrome knot]

gamblers click crash

[bold geode]

I sent my bully message today lol

[coarse estuary]

hi

[bold geode]

Someone say gamble?

[zinc totem]

actually i go ice spinner so i can use sucker punch

[coarse estuary]

how does this work

[next stump]

how does what work

[coarse estuary]

yes

idk

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[chrome knot]

@next stump had a dilemma last night for farig/mirai lead vs cir

[next stump]

as the CIR player?

[chrome knot]

yes

[next stump]

or miraidon

[bold geode]

My suggestion for that: fuck it we ball

[next stump]

what happen

[chrome knot]

any other lead u can uturn lance/tr bc youll never die but farig poses the hh threat where meteor just kills anything it wants

[coarse estuary]

can we all be friends

[chrome knot]

im assuming the correct middle ground lead always is rilla bolt

[next stump]

I think that’s the safest lead, yes

[bold geode]

Ummmmmm
Maybe there
CIR should be fine too, you're setting up Grassy with Rilla CIR so

[next stump]

what’s your 6?

[chrome knot]

patcon

[bold geode]

CIR should live a hit?

[coarse estuary]

what are you talking about

[next stump]

ah okay, yeah without redirection you kinda have to lead rilla and play around that

[chrome knot]

cir does NOT live hh draco meteor

i learnt that the hard way

[bold geode]

Damn

[chrome knot]

is like 130% min

[bold geode]

Without E Terrain?!

[chrome knot]

which is defo incorrect but u get the idea

it DIES

[coarse estuary]

what are we talking about

[chrome knot]

other idea is im a gambling girl, and i know that hh+cc from shifu will kill miraidon 75% of the time

[next stump]

LOL i mean it’s not the worst idea

252 adamant?

[chrome knot]

i did it in an mss twice

yes lol

[coarse estuary]

emmabun

[next stump]

i think it’s probably just best to lead your rilla to get rid of terrain and bolt to soak up damage

if they want to volt switch, then they do nothing for the turn

[coarse estuary]

emmabun

[next stump]

if they want to HH + draco, they’re fucked when Caly comes in

[bold geode]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Helping Hand Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider: 204-241 (98.5 - 116.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Bit of a fat roll

[chrome knot]

true

im not 252 116

[coarse estuary]

emmabun

[bold geode]

So you're not exactly Patcons?

[chrome knot]

non

[bold geode]

Cuz that's his Spdef side

[coarse estuary]

rilla

[next stump]

Hey, stop just spamming the chat if you have nothing to add. This is the competitive pokemon chat, the general chat might be a better place for you

[chrome knot]

i got a LOAD of unoptimized spreads rn

i dont feel comfy playing with like previous bump# atk cir tbh

[coarse estuary]

then tell me how this works dillon

[chrome knot]

fair, trading bolt for -2SpAtk + reposition

[next stump]

Read the description of the chat, “Help and discussion regarding the competitive pokemon scene” 👍

[bold geode]

Fair, although I feel it was not as bad with Rilla Incin vs like Amoonguss
At times just FO cycle + Glacial Lance just oof

[next stump]

yep, and you’d be getting off either a wood hammer or u-turn into farig

[coarse estuary]

like making an episode

[chrome knot]

yah you can basically infinitely cycle grass terrain atp

[next stump]

sorry for double ping but this is actually how I lost to Rajan Bal at the 6-1 table at Indy. I had Caly-I + something out and I had Amoonguss in the back. I should have swapped Caly into Amoonguss to eat the HH + Draco but I didn’t and lost the game because Caly is the only way you’re getting knockouts against that team

[chrome knot]

ahh yeah

its disgusting how much it does

[coarse estuary]

I have a shiny hisui electrode

[chrome knot]

ive been like 5-1 vs mirai rn just playing recently but hh draco ohkoing cir and losing immediately made me wanna rethink strategy

[calm gulch]

#BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr

i’m going to get as many comp regulars to send you this message monke

[bold geode]

Fuck it

[coarse estuary]

yosta

[bold geode]

Yosta getting ghost writers on my ass

[next stump]

rilla definitely tilts the matchup hard in CIR favor compared to how useless amoonguss is

[coarse estuary]

you okay comp

Dillon

[bold geode]

Hehe monkey

[next stump]

final reminder from me, please stop typing nonsense in this chat. It’s meant to specifically apply to competitive pokemon. If you don’t play, go to #general_chat

I don’t want mods to come in and have to mute you

[coarse estuary]

how do I play

Dillon

I'm new

[next stump]

Battle stadium in the game menu, or play.pokémon showdown.com if you want to play on a computer

[chrome knot]

amoonguss was a good tool but like shutting down the avengers is so fucking good

[zinc totem]

flare blitz,fake out, parting shot,knock off or flare blitz,taunt,parting shot,knock off for inci? (or taunt fakeout,knock off parting shot if running rain in team?)

[chrome knot]

fake out
knock off
taunt/will o wisp
parting shot

[zinc totem]

yeah was thinking that

[zinc totem]

im thinking taunt might be more useful in general use than will-o-wisp beacuse amoonguses, follow me pokemons like indeedee and trick room farigirafs and such

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/b5de4844b67837ec thoughts? Would av be better in rilla and then use booster on bolt? I like av on bolt cuz then I can use e web on it

[dapper crag]

Move: Foul Play

Damage is calculated using the target's Attack stat, including stat stage changes. The user's Ability, item, and burn are used as normal.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[wispy spade]

[chrome iron]

What you mean my favorite mons are in ZU???

[balmy glen]

what do you mean my favorite mons are in LC

[chrome knot]

Lurantis is garbage

[junior patrol]

Hey what's the best way to build a incineror?

[chrome knot]

shes my favourite but she sucks asa

[minor panther]

intimidate and parting shot
...
some other stuff too, probably

what i mostly see is fake out, will-o-wisp, knock off, and parting shot

wisp can be changed out for flare blitz and taunt though

[craggy dagger]

Unfortunately

[balmy glen]

no.

[zinc totem]

i wonder what woudl be good replacement for regidrago or flutter mane (dont have access to either )

[knotty mirage]

Prolly caly shadow or chi yu

[zinc totem]

my restricted is already chosen and if i dont have access to drago, idont have access to caly

[zinc totem]

and im using rain so chiyu is risky which i tested

[knotty mirage]

Did you use kyogre team ?

[zinc totem]

im using pelipper and i got other restricted which is amazing

[knotty mirage]

I mean if you want to play rain team just use kyogre then

[zinc totem]

this team has abit more to it than rain

[knotty mirage]

It have better damage then flutter or drago

[knotty mirage]

What restricted you use again then ?

[zinc totem]

Miraidon

[knotty mirage]

Ah well chi yu is still good then you can use it for supporting your miraidon damage or use blood moon ursa so you can spam discharge without worry

[zinc totem]

after that im trying Zacian which i got by trading shiny spriga in this server

[zinc totem]

yea blood moon ursa i was thinking but i tested it and problem with it is that it need tera normal to od anything with hyper voice/blood moon

so i cant do tera much on other pokemons

[knotty mirage]

Just use something like life orb should help the damage a bit

[zinc totem]

oh i am

[knotty mirage]

I mean you don't really need to tera blood moon all the time anyway

[zinc totem]

but ursaluna might be best one

unless i try swift swim special attacking kingdra but that would be bad move

[nocturne holly]

Can you show the team tho

[knotty mirage]

Chi yu is still good if you use special attack centralized team

Especially when you don't really need to bring pelliper all the times or just use chi yu more like support

[zinc totem]

lemme copy it to pokepoast quick

@nocturne holly https://pokepast.es/7da511dd92929b22 this right now

i did also consider Zacian (which i got by trading shiny spriga in this server funny enough ) but i only got Zacian beacuse its my favourite of two dogs

but rain giving boost for miraidon is pretty good

i also was thinking make more bulkier pelipper but eh. and Farigiraf i could replace pelipper (or shifu) but i dont wanna too much use farigiraf in every miraidon team i make

[nocturne holly]

Ok so first your Teras don’t look too good

[zinc totem]

frick forgot edit them

just moment

[nocturne holly]

Tbh fari looks really good on this

Have you seen Rajan bals mirai team

[zinc totem]

i have and i use farigiraf in a bit differend miraidon team

with ground tera

rocky helmet and all

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blood Moon
• Hyper Voice
• Earth Power
• Protect

Chien-Pao @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ice Spinner
• Sucker Punch
• Sacred Sword
• Throat Chop

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot
• Taunt

these are the teras they have in-game

[nocturne holly]

I think torn would be better over peli

[zinc totem]

i dont have tornadus

so i've been replacing torn with whimsi

[nocturne holly]

You get prankster tw

[zinc totem]

on my other team

[nocturne holly]

Whimsi isn’t bad either on this

[zinc totem]

yeah, other i was thinking use instead of mira is this:

(Zacian-Crowned) @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Behemoth Blade
• Play Rough
• Swords Dance
• Protect

[nocturne holly]

Also why is chien scared

*scarfed

Ok so I recommend looking at rajan bals mirai team as the concepts really similar to what you have rn

cybertron has a vid on it

[zinc totem]

My other miraidon team is: Farigiraf, miraidon,whimsi, iron moth (replacement for flutter mane and acid spray with miraidon is kinda funny), incine and single-strike shifu

[zinc totem]

yeah i know it runs oger-pon rock mask one, farigiraf, incine,ursaluna and such

i did research earlier when planning this one

[hollow fossil]

Fairly new to serious team building, as you can tell by my lineup☠️ but here it is https://pokepast.es/6fd91fc69677c333 rate/roast it, but also give me feedback, maybe like one or two mon suggestions, and moveset suggestions. Only two rules:

1. Swampert, indeedee, and reuniclus must stay, though their sets can change
2. I don't want to use either calyrex form nor urshifu.

[chrome knot]

i fear these rules stop a team from being competitive

[zinc totem]

Swampert is must leave at very least

[solid frigate]

Indeedee can stay,but these other two must leave

[hollow fossil]

No fun

Forget I said anything fuck yall

[zinc totem]

If reuni learns eforce it has something to go for but otherwise yeah swampy reuni is must leave

[foggy lodge]

Why focus sash Indeedee

[plain drum]

Real as fuck

[foggy lodge]

The whole team has a criminal lack of protect

[chrome knot]

me when i get mad when i bring a casual team into a competitive chat

[dapper crag]

lol

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

Felt like that could've been handled way better

[molten oasis]

No asks about the picks although they are bad

[autumn vault]

Not wanting to use the Calyrex is understandable, but i'm sorry but Urshifu is a must have on many teams

Not all, but there are teams that need it

[zinc totem]

there are ways make teams without eithe urshifu but even i know teams really need it as urshifu is way too good threaten protects

[molten oasis]

You don’t need urshifu

[bold geode]

He probably gone now since that basically shoo'd him

[zinc totem]

he said on many teams, there is plenty teams that works without yes but most consistent ones uses one of other form of shifu

[molten oasis]

Why are you correcting me

[zinc totem]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-yes-yes-yes-oh-fo-sho-for-sure-nods-gif-12018369

[molten oasis]

When my statement was as fine the way it was

[dapper crag]

We did what you asked us to do, rate/roast and suggestions.

[zinc totem]

it wasnt correction, it was statement what was talked about haha

[molten oasis]

Sure felt like one

[plain drum]

There's probably not a reason to drag this out, it just seems like it stirs up even more shit than before

[zinc totem]

my english is not the best so i tend to come out way too aggressive

as my grammar is more my own country grammar than proper english one

[autumn vault]

I wont say anything

Dont want to be rude or anything

[bold geode]

This ain't a roast session anyways

But let's drop it
What's gone is gone

[zinc totem]

yeah

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[bold geode]

What's done is done

[zinc totem]

me and lyco are now yeah-doods

[solar mirage]

I bop u

[gentle crag]

[autumn vault]

Anyways

[plain drum]

[dapper crag]

Yeaah

[bold geode]

How fuckin dare you
On my bday too

[zinc totem]

why not spank

[plain drum]

Happy birthday Monke

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-birthday-candle-monke-happy-birthday-monkey-gif-26346528

[solar mirage]

I bop u again happy birthday

[gentle crag]

[autumn vault]

Happy B-Day Monke

[bold geode]

Happy birthday bops ok

[dapper crag]

Happy birthday

[bold geode]

Thx y'all

[solar mirage]

[solar mirage]

[plain drum]

[foggy lodge]

happy birthday monke

[bold geode]

Thx

[nocturne holly]

Bolt is so tanky broo

Like the fuck

[dapper crag]

Fr

What went through their mind to make bolt so insanely good.

[zinc totem]

I guess they wanted make better raikou

[nocturne holly]

How much bulk do Sitrus csr run

I’m tryna see if I can ohko csr under rain with ss and hh

[dapper crag]

Fr lol

[zinc totem]

what does crs mean tho

[autumn vault]

Calyrex Shadow Rider

[next stump]

I believe I saw like 164HP/82 (or 84 i don’t remember the number) DEF

they’re usually really bulky

[nocturne holly]

Damn

[nocturne holly]

Also Dillon what do you think I should calc for with umbreon
My first thought was to speed creep incin

[next stump]

what is your speed stat with 0EV level 50

[nocturne holly]

85

1 point behind 44 spe incin

[next stump]

you could but tbh what benefit does it really give? You can click foul play for like 15% damage

I’d much rather focus on the defensive calcs

stuff like Miraidon volt switch, flutter mane moonblast, urshifu CC, etc

[nocturne holly]

I was thinking of taunting it to stop it from parting shotting

[next stump]

oh yeah that’s fair actually

just don’t put more than like 12-20 EVs in speed

[nocturne holly]

mk thx
Probably only gonna try to outspeed 44 spe cuz that pretty easy

[zinc totem]

@next stump dilly dear, what you think is most used spread for flutter? max spa max speed? or is there bulkier spread for booster energy build?

[autumn vault]

Its a bulkier spread

[zinc totem]

HP 124/ 124Def/ 100 SpA /52 SpD/ 108 Spe something like?

[autumn vault]

I use 172 HP 132 Def 68 SpA 4 SpD 132 Spe Timid

Some people even run 212 HP 132 Def to survive L-Orb Adamanr Sucker Punch from Chien

[zinc totem]

i was thinking 124 hp and 124 def but i dont think thats good really?

[autumn vault]

Its ok

But not as much bulk as its ran by others

Some people even run 116 HP and 204 Def to survive surging strikes

Dont remember the exact evs i'm just guessing

[zinc totem]

i think i could run like 56 SPA safely too on flutter

my german friend got me flutter mane

[autumn vault]

*52 SpA, 56 and 52 give the same number of Special Attack at level 50

[zinc totem]

good to know

[nocturne holly]

@next stump
Artemis (Umbreon) (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 4 SpA / 116 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Yawn
• Protect
• Taunt
• Foul Play

outspeeds 44 spe incin by 1
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Umbreon in Electric Terrain: 166-196 (82.1 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Umbreon: 122-146 (60.3 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Umbreon: 168-200 (83.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[zinc totem]

i think i can run 52 SpA safely and flutter still shreds which leaves me 48 ev spread for bulk

[autumn vault]

I can see why

[zinc totem]

124 HP and put 172 def or 180 def if i drop hp to 116

but time to think ev spread haha

i will give it tera grass probably beacuse spore amoonguses and such

maybe helping survive also rapid-strike shifu and maybe water spout kyogre

tho kyogre might have too much SpA for it work

252+ SpA Mystic Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 116 HP / 52 SpD Tera-Grass Flutter Mane in Rain: 78-92 (53.7 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO oh damn

252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 116 HP / 52 SpD Tera-Grass Flutter Mane in Rain: 97-115 (66.8 - 79.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO survives even specs OwO

[alpine comet]

water beats fire

competetive champion infomation right there

[balmy glen]

nope my best fire type gastrodon doesnt lose to water types

[zinc totem]

@balmy glen is 100 speed on flutter mane more than enough with booster?

or does it need be abit higher

cuz if i make speed and Spdef abit lower like 100 speed 36 SpD i can run 204 def with 52 SpA

[balmy glen]

sorry im mad tired do u mean the amount of evs put into ur flutter

[zinc totem]

yes

amount of EVs on flutter

(got flutter from german friend )

[balmy glen]

what nature

[zinc totem]

Timid

[balmy glen]

o

with booster speed I dont even run that much tbh

[zinc totem]

Oh?

I was thinking modest first but i wasnt sure if it would be enough speed without timid

[balmy glen]

what team are u running this on

[zinc totem]

Rain team

[solid frigate]

Kyogre then

[zinc totem]

well rainish but its pelipper instead of kyogre

[balmy glen]

wait what

[solid frigate]

I don't see Kyogre and Flutter in a same team that much

[balmy glen]

whats your restricted

[solid frigate]

idek-

[tranquil kraken]

Happy birthday!

[bold geode]

Thx

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast

[calm gulch]

no bullying today

happy birthday

[bold geode]

Thx Yosta

[calm gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-4132625622270431804

bullying resumes tomorrow

gn

[bold geode]

Goodnight

[polar canyon]

Holy smokey

Happy birthday

I just saw a cat on my street catch a mouse isn't that cool

The mouse was stupid or something it was just prancing down the sidewalk cluelessly in the direction of the cat

[mighty stump]

Hapy birthday @bold geode

[graceful scaffold]

Birth @bold geode

[bold geode]

Gracias

[bold geode]

Tofu there's another Snorlax plush here for like 20-30 bucks and I'm tempted lmao

[mighty stump]

Whats it like

[chrome knot]

tofu

[near crag]

Hey, can anyone tell me what's up with all those chien pao, dnite, dozo, and tatsugiri teams? I've been trying to build something around dnite, and this archetype appeared several times. It doesn't seem to have any real synergy between them, for my beginner eyes.

[mighty stump]

Its a 2-2-2 comp where you utilise strong pairs to breka the game with good openers and good closers

paonite/dozogiri/chi-flutter for example.

[dapper crag]

has anyone gotten a low speed terapagos and used a truck room team with it? i think that would make him super strong considering how low his base speed is so many pokémon wouldn’t be slower than him but you could just bring a super slow clefairy with after you unless it’s a torkoal or something

or does he always come with max speed ivs

[chrome knot]

terapagos is a tank that doesn’t mind balance/ho teams

[craggy dagger]

[jade dust]

Speed control is kinda necessary tho it redirecting with Amonguss

[chrome knot]

both of those archetypes feature some kind of speed control

icy wind flutter / tailwind…

[mighty stump]

Terapagos is also IV locked

[chrome knot]

it’s locked as an introvert?

[mighty stump]

As in like

All base 15 IVs

[chrome knot]

i know..

[mighty stump]

I just woke up and played my Inkay Games match half asleep

W3 was Opp's choice

SO they pick your 6

https://pokepast.es/44b88b16758fa40b this is what I got, you choose the sets yourself tho

Dozo MVP

[chrome knot]

why did they give you goat team

my favourite was ruby waffling abt the team she got and how it was mistake being given smeargle etc and then she lost

[bold geode]

Yes Zamazenta pog

[mighty stump]

I gave them Lando-I/Bundle/Mienshao/Sableye/Lunala/Iron Hands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OUVRcJMcfQ yo theres a remix in here that goes so fking hard at the end

but as a comp player it hurts to watch

Ofc it wins