I had Ghost for FO but now it's just normal for CSR
#competitive_discussion
balmy glen
Currently testing Grass/Water/Fairy:Normal
mighty stump
I've considered Grass to be able to click Head Smash in front of Amoonguss safely and to eat Surging Strikes
Since the Normal overlap with CC can be eugh
mighty stump
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Normal Arcanine-Hisui Helping Hand Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 154-183 (87.5 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
balmy glen
I think whim helps apply more pressure
mighty stump
I have Whim on my variant
Yeah cause when I test pieces I just use a really basic balance concept so I feel out what I want/prefer
autumn vault
Damn
balmy glen
I’m runnng tailroom
mighty stump
So far I agree with the whole Tailwind thing, i think it makes it better
I've considered Icy Wind/T-Wave Flutter Mnae cause Para-Flinch is also nice
I think Farigiraf is just nice with it/Mirai works well as well since you can punish pivots/switch ins with spread Rock-Slide or threaten Rillaboom/Incin always
chrome knot
i regidrago v star for apex dragon, choosing phantom dive doing 200 to ur active & putting all 6 damage counters on your lil basic mon for 3 prize cards
bold geode
Tofu help
I spent $20 on Honkai
The gambling is real
mighty stump
What the fuck, why
bold geode
Blame Nova, ok
mighty stump
I'm F2P lol
bold geode
Lmao
But pretty colors 
mighty stump
Bro
bold geode
Honestly I have spent way more on Fortnite
But we don't talk about that
foggy lodge
In another server they made a test about competitive and the first question is super ambiguous xd
bold geode
Lol
I told Nova "hey I'm not playing it cuz I'll spend money gambling"
And she said play it and I said fine I will
foggy lodge
Like the question is "which types are mainly support" and the options are water and fairy, dark and rock, grass and electric
foggy lodge
Yeah that's what i thought
bold geode
The worst part is Tofu was that for one moment I was analyzing shit like VGC lmao
mighty stump
What
foggy lodge
What sort of server are you even in
A supposed to be competitive server
foggy lodge
It also had a question about EVs and the correct answer was 510 EVs even tough you only use 508
mighty stump
It caps out at 510
Useable 508
So depends on the wording
@foggy lodge What are the other questions
I'm so curious now
foggy lodge
I would just pass them but they are in spanish
Let me traduce it
The second question is what defines the role of a pokemon
A. It's stats
B. It's movepool and abilities
C. Stats, typing, movepool, abilities and the build we give it
mighty stump
C
foggy lodge
Yeah
bold geode
It depends on I said so 
foggy lodge
The third is what it's more important about a Pokemon in a battle
A. Giving him a good build
B. Having good stats
C. Strong moves
D. Knowing its role and how to use it
Fourth is which pokemon has a good sinergy with Pincurchin
A. Rotom
B. Kilowattrel
C. Alolan Raichu
D. Amoonguss
mighty stump
The third is what it's more important about a Pokemon in a battle
A. Giving him ...
…A/C/D
mighty stump
Fourth is which pokemon has a good sinergy with Pincurchin
A. Rotom
B. Kilowattr...
C
These questions fucking suck
glad osprey
Anyone have tips on team building? I try using rental teams but not quite understanding the purpose of some of the mons on these teams. I notice a lot of teams share very similar builds with a few minor changes
foggy lodge
These questions fucking suck
Yeah dude
Now i'm debating with the person who made the test about what is the first question supposed to be
xd
mighty stump
Anyone have tips on team building? I try using rental teams but not quite unders...
Did you read the notes with the teams? Some youtube videos featuring teams like Cybertron can also be good. The key thing is the part you’re missing, which is understanding how the Pokemon interact and what their roles are relative to the metagame
mighty stump
Now i'm debating with the person who made the test about what is the first quest...
Quit the server lol
glad osprey
Did you read the notes with the teams? Some youtube videos featuring teams like ...
Riiiight, just saw the rental teams section in here has Notes. Where I have been grabbing them hasn't had any notes, so I'm almost trying to put everything together on my own and sitting at a 50/50 Win Loss lol
Definitely trying to watch as much YouTube as possible. Some of these youtubers are so knowledgable that what they talk about confuses me as a beginner to VGC haha
Singles is where I know most, but doubles is a whole new world to me
mighty stump
I wouldn’t worry about your W:L atm, improvement comes pretty naturally with basic knowledge
autumn vault
Riiiight, just saw the rental teams section in here has Notes. Where I have been...
Which rentals are you using? Just curious
glad osprey
Which rentals are you using? Just curious
Was grabbing them from smogon and pasting into showdown
A lot of enamorous users
autumn vault
Damn
There is a #rental_teams channel in the server, most teams are good
Well, atleast good enough to learn from
bold geode
These questions fucking suck
What are you, bullying the teacher?
glad osprey
Well, atleast good enough to learn from
def gonna be using this
bold geode
Teacher hands you a test just
"These questions fucking suck teacher"
autumn vault
def gonna be using this
Some teams aren't that great
I prefer getting the rentals that has good results or are from players that are good, or both
mighty stump
Most if not all rentals here are all doubles though
bold geode
I actually don't think we've had a singles rental since Lucky put one in there in Reg C?
autumn vault
Wait, they want to play singles?
bold geode
I know Tofu said it, idfk
autumn vault
Look at the 3rd and 4th line, it clearly says that SMAVS wants to play VGC
bold geode
Well there was "singles is where I know most"
Could've been some confusion based on that
Idk
Idk I'm not trying to get into it
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/7927fb0e3b0d8b0a what could i replace incin with on this team?
autumn vault
def gonna be using this
https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/ If you want to play VGC then the rentals here are the best possible ones you can find
I nearly forgot to mention this
Those are teams that have performed super well
Atleast for VGC
bold geode
https://pokepast.es/7927fb0e3b0d8b0a what could i replace incin with on this tea...
Maybe a Booster Bolt
Landorus Incarnate
Bout all I can think of
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/7927fb0e3b0d8b0a what could i replace incin with on this tea...
Maybe something with speed control
bold geode
I mean Peli got that Tailwind
bold geode
Hell Regidrago too maybe 🤷♂️
nocturne holly
Have you already seen that Zacian team from LA?
is that the regidrago one
zinc totem
why its easier win in showdown than in in-game 
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
nocturne holly
this hits ghost types right
molten oasis
Yes
zinc totem
comparing switch in-game ladder and showdown ladder, it seems switch in-game has higher skill cap than SD
zinc totem
this hits ghost types right
statuses that dont directly hit ghost types works like Yawn
thats how i understood them
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/7927fb0e3b0d8b0a what could i replace incin with on this tea...
What's wrong with Incineroar?
You can try these teammates for zac
autumn vault
Yup, very good way
nocturne holly
the miraidon was too much for him
It’s getting like fairly popular
I’ve seen so many raichus o can’t take it 😭
bold geode
found a scarf lando i
Lol people are actually doing that now it's so funny
nocturne holly
what makes me even more mad is cloak kyogre
I hate that thing
molten oasis
tera ghost kyogre fuck
nocturne holly
tera ghost kyogre *fuck*
Tera ghost kyogre is nice cuz we can bomb it with behemoth blade without missing
foggy lodge
Is a 6% roll worth it?
next stump
it’s usually fine, just up to you really
bold geode
The goat, but I can't figure out why lol
Fake Out support, sets up terrain for passive healing and same terrain also messes with Miraidon and Psychic Terrain reliant teams, has a STAB move in Grassy Glide that becomes priority in the terrain that it sets up, pretty nice attack, can be offensive with Miracle Seed or Choice Band or can be a tanky pivot with Assault Vest, yeah it just good
foggy lodge
It would be like 10% with the crit chance
molten oasis
rocky helm incin lol
foggy lodge
So like 90/10
bold geode
Ain't Torn naturally faster?
nocturne holly
scarf
molten oasis
well, yea but im used to my torn being slower
nocturne holly
or not
molten oasis
eh ig my torn hits 156 speed
how fast does kyogre get
oh
i speed tie it at max speed timid
cough im an idiot
bold geode
Which they don't do lmao
molten oasis
if you're weird and run max speed timid kyogre, not scarf
bold geode
Like the one guy who got excited at Bingo cuz he got the free space
molten oasis
shut up lmao
gentle cragBOT
Result: 234.000000
molten oasis
i dont quite remember who's torn spread this is but its doing its job so
are kyogre's really running scarf rn?
bold geode
No?
molten oasis
ive seen more av and specs
bold geode
I see like AV or Mystic tbh iirc
molten oasis
not av or specs?
nocturne holly
-calc 163*1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 244.500000
molten oasis
I see like AV or Mystic tbh iirc
same
nocturne holly
not av or specs?
I’ve seen a couple specs
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
molten oasis
ah
nocturne holly
Haven’t seen much av tbh
molten oasis
discharge spam
this chi yu i added has done, nothing
what a surprise, PAIR ME INTO A CSR
nocturne holly
You did chi yu over chien?
molten oasis
tofu mentioned i need spread damage
dammit a miriadon
oh they got a ditto
this could be rough, ditto's rough for zac
we won cool
amoonguss the goat
incin also lived on 1 which was so big
anyone got a CSR team i can practice against?
ladder is not currently in the mood to use either of them
nocturne holly
How many turns of sleep are guaranteed
just 1?
ok yea just one guaranteed turn of sleep
dull ibex
when do we get two restricted
next stump
probably september 1st
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/172a277ee49f215b
https://pokepast.es/27477d362058f92c
Which Assault Vest Groudon team is better?
In the 2nd team AV Groudon is EV'd to live Hydro Steam from a 244 SpA L-Orb Wake
autumn vault
ha ha very funny 😐
molten oasis
the team with whims looks better to me
molten oasis
go put the spread on the second team to the first team cuz i see no reason not to
autumn vault
You are correct
bold geode
Groudon cheeks
bold geode
Yeah just use Koraidon like lmao
autumn vault
Koraidon is a Hyper Offensive pokemon
Groudon is more of a Bulky Offense Pokemon
I like both
bold geode
Groudon is more of a failure rn
autumn vault
But i prefer playing Groudon since its closer to my playstyle (which is balance, bulky offense and Hyper Offense)
And Groudon fits in 2 of the categories
autumn vault
Groudon is more of a failure rn <:KekHands:1251294686468112434>
Ehh, it's still good
willow vault
But i prefer playing Groudon since its closer to my playstyle (which is balance,...
That’s many playstyles
autumn vault
Just not as good as previous gens
autumn vault
No
molten oasis
then its cope
bold geode
Thing is rn at least Zacian has some niche
molten oasis
90 speed is also kinda eh
bold geode
Groudon basically does what Koraidon does
autumn vault
Koraidon tries to be fast and kill as fast as possible
molten oasis
i think if precipice blades wasn't low acc it would be better
bold geode
Except Koraidon don't hate taking a bath when it's not hot
autumn vault
If you doubt Groudon a lot then you two would probably disagree with it's placement in my tier list
bold geode
I disagree with the whole list
molten oasis
imo, like
groudon just lacks, UNLIKE koraidon it just sets sun
while koraidon gets a boost
timber falcon
groudon isnt bad tbh
autumn vault
Groudon atleast isn't weak to flutter mane
And has great physical bulk
And plays differently from Koraidon
timber falcon
i reckon at some point groudon will see some light, even if its just once
dull ibex
probably not
molten oasis
in double maybe
autumn vault
If Precipice was 100% accurate then it would be way better
dull ibex
but replaced doesnt mean its bad
autumn vault
Yeah
molten oasis
doesn't mean its good either
timber falcon
in double maybe
yeah in singles its outclassed
dull ibex
but it definitely was replaced
bold geode
The only light Groudon will see is the light of heaven that it gets sent to after a Pelipper Weather Ball
autumn vault
It does mean it's less viable in the meta, but not straight up bad
molten oasis
its meh
autumn vault
The only light Groudon will see is the light of heaven that it gets sent to afte...
My assault Vest Groudon who tanks Sun boosted L-Orb boosted Hydro Steam from a 244 SpA Wake:
molten oasis
i feel like a positive of groudon is having a positive mirai mu but then its gonna get draco'ed and eat shit
autumn vault
Also my assault vest groudon that can tank that:
Yeah you can see why i went with AV and prefer it over Amulet
molten oasis
bold geode
Bro did calcs
molten oasis
i mean, if he believes in it he does
i believed in zac and it got me somewhere this format
nocturne holly
Thing is rn at least Zacian has some niche
I wouldn’t call it a niche
bold geode
Guys he can do math wow
molten oasis
I wouldn’t call it a niche
mm
autumn vault
I have done calcs for a long time now
molten oasis
i mean
idt zac is niche at all, unlike groudon but it does a role it kinda only does itself, due to its typing and speed tier
bold geode
I mean adding salt to dogshit doesn't make it a cuisine
nocturne holly
Zac balance w?
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/c3f586a6188953c7 ideas for last mon?
timber falcon
right now ting-lu as my only csr answer doesnt do the job
molten oasis
its so easy to slap a CSR over Zac on balance i aint gonna lie
timber falcon
its easy to slap on csr almost anywhere
bold geode
right now ting-lu as my only csr answer doesnt do the job
Wha?
molten oasis
fair enough
nocturne holly
I mean I think the main reason to use Zac is that it does so much damage without setting up and then it practically ohkos everything once set up
And it’s like outspeeds everything except csr and scarfshifu
forest arrow
Zac works best HO imo
molten oasis
in double i think zac will see generally more play cuz, honestly its a good option as a second restricted
nocturne holly
in double i think zac will see generally more play cuz, honestly its a good opti...
Yea def
molten oasis
better as a second than a primary
bold geode
ting lu aint enough rn. To summarise
Well of course
It's not like 1 Mon beats it 100% of the time
Why you use 4
nocturne holly
like I kinda see it as dengo
bold geode
And why they use 4
nocturne holly
Does a ton of damage without setting up and does even more once set up
timber falcon
Well of course
It's not like 1 Mon beats it 100% of the time
Why you use 4
i said as an answer
molten oasis
Zac works best HO imo
mm
molten oasis
i mean HO is the name of the game rn
bold geode
i said as an answer
Oh an answer to it
It is that lol
molten oasis
big damage=win+incin
timber falcon
I haven’t seen much ho on ladder tbh
what kinda ladder is bro on?
molten oasis
CSR is a set up and sweep mon rn
nocturne holly
what kinda ladder is bro on?
Sd
molten oasis
elo?
bold geode
It's good into it lmao
You're telling me a Dark type that is tanky and lowers Spatk is not good into a Ghost type special attacker
nocturne holly
1300
nocturne holly
I’m just testing things out rn
timber falcon
It's good into it lmao
You're telling me a Dark type that is tanky and lowers Sp...
the core-
its not good into the csr core.
i need better ways to answer that
nocturne holly
the alt I’m in is called testingcorner😭
molten oasis
fissure?
bold geode
Are you sure you're just not playing lines right
Or maybe there's other parts of the team that falter against jt
molten oasis
the alt I’m in is called testingcorner😭
you copying me?
nocturne holly
you copying me?
What
molten oasis
thats what my username is rn for my alt
autumn vault
Btw here is my tier list, yeah i can see the hate comments coming at me
timber falcon
Are you sure you're just not playing lines right
Or maybe there's other parts of...
its my only resistance, and rapid shifu makes me swap/tera so ray cant go tera normal
molten oasis
Btw here is my tier list, yeah i can see the hate comments coming at me
this is so painfully outdated
nocturne holly
thats what my username is rn for my alt
oh really?? That’s crazy didn’t know that
bold geode
its my only resistance, and rapid shifu makes me swap/tera so ray cant go tera n...
How with the tera?
timber falcon
Btw here is my tier list, yeah i can see the hate comments coming at me
bro put groudon over zac and lunala 💀
molten oasis
dawn wings and lunala are b tier
bold geode
You do realize that Urshifu can live a Grassy Glide right?
autumn vault
Ik people will disagree i'm aware
bold geode
That's the only issue lol
molten oasis
mm, maybe lunala is bottom of a tier
timber falcon
monke what are you talking about
molten oasis
its my only resistance, and rapid shifu makes me swap/tera so ray cant go tera n...
you need to tera ray for CSR
how is that NOT a given
bold geode
Bro just have a Wide Guard Pokemon lmao
molten oasis
Bro just have a Wide Guard Pokemon lmao
timber falcon
you need to tera ray for CSR
easier said than done, dragon ascent only makes me weaker
autumn vault
bro put groudon over zac and lunala 💀
I used those 2 in the past and i did compare it to Groudon, i prefered Groudon since it doesn't suffer from having a type thats heavily countered (lunala) or isn't detrimented by a common ability, granted Groudon is also decently countered but i don't see them as much as Zac and Luna's counters
bold geode
<:CalyKiss:1238956662967238756>
Vessel of Ruin
It can live one for sure
molten oasis
easier said than done, dragon ascent only makes me weaker
does +2 wipe a CSR
timber falcon
does +2 wipe a CSR
you say this as if, they dont know ray is gonna run tera normal
bold geode
I used those 2 in the past and i did compare it to Groudon, i prefered Groudon s...
You put Miraidon over Zamazenta and just no
Zamazenta is A at least
timber falcon
which most do
molten oasis
you say this as if, they dont know ray is gonna run tera normal
answer the question bro
timber falcon
yes
bold geode
which most do
So
They stop using Astral Barrage, that's momentum lost tbh
molten oasis
then dragon ascent the fucking horse
autumn vault
You put Miraidon over Zamazenta and just no
Zamazenta is A at least
Zama is literally A and Miraidon is definitely better
Let me go calculate that
molten oasis
i think mirai and zama are on similar levels rn
bold geode
Zama is literally A and Miraidon is definitely better
You put it in B tier bruh
timber falcon
then dragon ascent the fucking horse
not much people leave csr for open attacks
autumn vault
+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Rayquaza: 186-220 (87.7 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
molten oasis
kill clef then dragon ascent the horse
autumn vault
Btw here is my tier list, yeah i can see the hate comments coming at me
Take a closer look Monke
bold geode
Ray is predict heavy anyways tbh lol
molten oasis
+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Rayquaza: 18...
id allocate evs a little to live that
molten oasis
Ray is predict heavy anyways tbh lol
well yea ray's mid
bold geode
Oh I meant S tier, I'm dumb
timber falcon
kill clef then dragon ascent the horse
once again, easier said than done 😭
autumn vault
It's OTOT's spread not mine
bold geode
Zama S tier
molten oasis
my god its not rocket science
bold geode
molten oasis
it's setting up a game plan to win
timber falcon
kill clef how then
bold geode
Also tbh Ray don't need Chien Pao if you still have it
timber falcon
yeah infront of csr nice
autumn vault
Or Ray
molten oasis
yeah infront of csr nice
are you not tera normal
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
timber falcon
they set up
autumn vault
Buddy, why not just run Scarf on Urshifu and fix the CSR MU?
molten oasis
kinda frail restricted huh
molten oasis
Buddy, why not just run Scarf on Urshifu and fix the CSR MU?
that doesn't fix it
timber falcon
Buddy, why not just run Scarf on Urshifu and fix the CSR MU?
doesnt fix
autumn vault
kinda frail restricted huh
I mean there has to be a cost for those 150 attacking stats
timber falcon
bro look at zekrom
autumn vault
doesnt fix
Sorry, helps for the MU
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
timber falcon
cost my ass
autumn vault
bro look at zekrom
It doesn't have 150 in both attacking stats
molten oasis
I mean there has to be a cost for those 150 attacking stats
ray is a physical attacker
autumn vault
You can say the same about the Gen 4 and 5 legends
molten oasis
if you're using special ray you're weird
bold geode
My brain is frying
autumn vault
And Gen 6 Legends (excluding Zygarde)
molten oasis
My brain is frying
did i say smth dumb?
timber falcon
ok so
autumn vault
ray is a physical attacker
bold geode
I'm just watching
timber falcon
what gameplan can i lead into csr core?
molten oasis
...
timber falcon
assuming it will be csr + redirection
molten oasis
did you not ever try incin
molten oasis
why
timber falcon
didnt feel like i was getting the value i wanted
autumn vault
Ik drago said it, but why?
molten oasis
bruh
molten oasis
then you're using it wrong cuz incin has lots of value on this team
you have no fo pressure or redirection for 2 set up mons
wait
timber falcon
mhm
autumn vault
Fake Out, Will-O-Wisp, fixing the CSR CIR MUs, Pivoting, i could go on
molten oasis
i didnt see the electabuzz, why do you have that
timber falcon
it actually does really well for me lmao
molten oasis
Fake Out, Will-O-Wisp, fixing the CSR CIR MUs, Pivoting, i could go on
incin's not a CSR mu fix
clef ruins incin from doing shit
timber falcon
i can change static for vital spirit too
bold geode
timber falcon
4 mons i have locked in place are shifu, ray, electabuzz and dengo
molten oasis
how do i break you
man
imagine if amoonguss was there, that would be better in my eyes
bold geode
how do i break you
You can break me anytime 
molten oasis
You can break me anytime <:LipBite:839909338524680212>
bold geode
timber falcon
imagine if amoonguss was there, that would be better in my eyes
we have different eyes, i prefer the lack of weaknesses and higher bulk, plus the fact its not exactly slow (faster than peli) and can support with webs and static zama
molten oasis
we have different eyes, i prefer the lack of weaknesses and higher bulk, plus th...
...
bold geode
I hope y'all have different eyes
You're two different people, that'd be weird
molten oasis
whatever
molten oasis
if tofu suggested it im prob in the wrong, whatever
timber falcon
nah it is a niche pick and i had my doubt
timber falcon
it looks good
molten oasis
you need fo pressure
timber falcon
wait
molten oasis
also scarf shifu looks better than sash
bold geode
What a mug gotta do for some Fake Out pressure
timber falcon
lemme make sure my MUs for meta mons are done idw to forget
timber falcon
also scarf shifu looks better than sash
there was a reason i didnt go scarf
molten oasis
and that is
timber falcon
i forgot
molten oasis
then run scarf
timber falcon
i remember running it and a few games later regretting it
but ill try again
oh yeah
molten oasis
i also still think incin>ting lu here
timber falcon
sash let me control tempo of game with protect and guarantee i lived a hit, which was really nic
timber falcon
i also still think incin>ting lu here
ting also helps with miraidon so
timber falcon
why
molten oasis
cuz you clearly dont need it
molten oasis
timber falcon
incin aint the only FO mon 
frigid flume
Is it worth it to masuda method for competive shinies anymore?
I wanna get 0 speed farigaraf
timber falcon
nahh
molten oasis
incin aint the only FO mon <:mochige:1196954088462631082>
incin is love incin is life
run rilla in spot 6 yw im gonna go do something else
timber falcon
Is it worth it to masuda method for competive shinies anymore?
i reckon isolated encounters will get you there faster
timber falcon
run rilla in spot 6 yw im gonna go do something else
why rilla
timber falcon
but like, out of all the others
molten oasis
TERRAIN CONTROL
timber falcon
true helps for indeedee
molten oasis
DAMAGE DEALER
frigid flume
i reckon isolated encounters will get you there faster
Probably
timber falcon
molten oasis
have fun im not giving advice anymore im apparently an idiot
bold geode
have fun im not giving advice anymore im apparently an idiot
Convince me not to run Raichu
molten oasis
why do you think i liked incin over ting lu
cuz then you can add rilla
with av, but no you need this ting lu
timber falcon
AV rilla isnt a must lul
bold geode
Hmmm
Fuck it Raichu/Hitmontop/Rayquaza/Ogerpon Wellspring/Chi Yu/and a 6th hmm
molten oasis
choice band/clear amulet
bold geode
AV rilla isnt a must lul
Me when Meadow Plate
molten oasis
Hmmm
Fuck it Raichu/Hitmontop/Rayquaza/Ogerpon Wellspring/Chi Yu/and a 6th hmm
have fun with that
timber falcon
choice band/clear amulet
miracle seed here, band = no fake out and clam in use
molten oasis
miracle seed here, band = no fake out and clam in use
thanks
molten oasis
im done, giving advice, i am not in the mood nor qualified
timber falcon
lyco isnt stanning anything anymore
molten oasis
figure things out with tofu
autumn vault
lyco isnt stanning anything anymore
I stan ...
molten oasis
or yourself
timber falcon
im done, giving advice, i am not in the mood nor qualified
sorry you feel that way, but your advice does help me a lot
even though im stubborn
molten oasis
not as much as tofu's
molten oasis
probably cause tofu explains in detail what it does
you think i have the capabilites to do that?
autumn vault
even though im stubborn
Like what Shrek said in the first movie: Stubborn Jackass
molten oasis
cuz i sure dont, i play 1 restricted
timber falcon
zacian
molten oasis
so my advice comes from what ive seen on other teams
not from using it
tofu probably has experience with it
so his advice is more justified and backed up with exprience
so no OTOT i dont feel like i am capable of giving advice
molten oasis
i'll try but my opinion is usually flawed in some way
molten oasis
let the comp helpers help out or other people, im not giving advice for the time being
autumn vault
https://pokepast.es/2d6d8b0fbdb6be2c
Any reason you have Ting over Incin?
Team looks good i just need a question answered
autumn vault
Don't you already have Electabuzz and Rillaboom to combat Miraidon?
autumn vault
Electabuzz and Rillaboom imo are enough against Miraidon
You can already replace e-terrain and can redirect electric moves a lot
Which is already pretty good
bold geode
As someone who has a month with Ray
You want to have a few things
1: Fake Out pressure is probably best, 2 is nice
2: you want solid answers into Miraidon and Calyrex Ice Rider
3: Solid answer into Zamazenta because Ray can't hit it for shit
Want to fix it's matchups and have it have clear avenues for setup
Also good mons with it cuz you can't bring Ray to every match
autumn vault
You can run Incineroar to give Rilla AV and more overall support
And replace Ting Lu
You already have ways to beat Miraidon
You can also just give Ting-Lu a different item and give AV to rillaboom
Also i do not like 252 SpD AV Ting
252 HP helps survivability in both Def and Sp Def
And AV VoR is enough
autumn vault
?
timber falcon
ive decided to make things clearer, i removed ting and rilla for now
incin looks nice
timber falcon
actually
autumn vault
Hm?
autumn vault
I dont think thats a great idea
bold geode
In fact, my 6 not to brag
But mine or Yotam's Indy 6 are kinda the closest to a good Ray team in terms of the avenue it should follow
Cuz Ray is not Hyper Offensive at all
autumn vault
Having a Zama counter is always nice and Coaching for Ray
But you already have a fighting type and a ghost type
Ghold is good against Zamazenta
And E-Buzz helps against it
Just replace Ting for Incin and its a very good looking team
autumn vault
Thats even worse
autumn vault
You already have a steel type, doesn't have amazing utility, you most likely want it for FO and Incineroar has that and way more
timber falcon
feint too
autumn vault
Urshifu
With it you pressure your opponents to not protect
Which is what feint wants to do
timber falcon
but its not priority-
autumn vault
Feint does it better but against better players they will not protect against an Urshifu
autumn vault
but its not priority-
You still make your opponents not want to click protect
timber falcon
actually
no lol theyll still click protect
what feint does is different
feint breaks the protect for the other mon
autumn vault
no lol theyll still click protect
But not as much as usual
timber falcon
better to assume a safe move
autumn vault
You see, if you protect and only the Urshifu attacks you, your mon will waste a turn protecting
With that in mind pro players don't want to click it infront of Urshifu
And also will only go for protect if they must
Which most likely will not happen
Only pokemon thay can comfortably click it infront of Urshifu-R are pokemon that resist water/fighting stab
timber falcon
You see, if you protect and only the Urshifu attacks you, your mon will waste a ...
not wasted if they wanna double up
autumn vault
not wasted if they wanna double up
Thats not what i'm trying to say
I said what i needed to say
timber falcon
i still think tankaton helps
timber falcon
typing
autumn vault
Ghold already has steel
timber falcon
flutter
timber falcon
fine
ill test the team i have rn
and if theres a problem incin can fix, i will add incin
autumn vault
Ok
timber falcon
yeah
im too tired to even play properly
ill try again tomorrow with incin and rilla
chrome knot
@mighty stump filled out silly form for diabolical dedennes bc i wanna be on girlypop team
calm gulch
@bold geode #BullyMonke #MonkeAsmr
nocturne holly
Bo3 anyone
chrome knot
you wanna play black ops 3?
nocturne holly
mid
chrome knot
peak
bold geode
you wanna play black ops 3?
Prefer 2
chrome knot
search mentions @balmy glen
polar canyon
I'm logging in to pokemon sword to nickname an urshifu and I'm realizing how much better the game looked than sv
Scarlet and violet do have much better gameplay
But god does it look ugly now that I compare it to the latest game
solid frigate
hoi
dapper crag
I'm logging in to pokemon sword to nickname an urshifu and I'm realizing how muc...
It’s honestly a pretty big difference
dapper crag
Scarlet and violet do have much better gameplay
Yeah
solid frigate
i would say SV have Better Models
cuz the detail on the Models are great but the animation is limited due to Open World
and they have like not that much people here
dapper crag
But, honestly I like SV in generally more than SS.
Theirs much more to offer in SV for me.
silver ravine
Just sucks that neither have a battle frontier, which is crazy as it's never been easier to make a competitive team.
graceful flare
I think Regigas should lose slow start and instead just become a restricted legendary
graceful flare
cuz the detail on the Models are great but the animation is limited due to Open ...
The models are so bad
magic steeple
Dear god how do y'all understand Iv and Ev stuff I feel like im in a college maths class
silver ravine
Dear god how do y'all understand Iv and Ev stuff I feel like im in a college mat...
IVs is just having a 4 or 6 IV ditto with a destiny knot and luck. EVs is just number go up. Either through manually training or buying vitamins. EVs only get complex when deciding how to allocate them if you're not just doing 252/252/4
magic steeple
Im seeing people online say its based off taking down certain pokemon but then im seeing how vitamins affect stuff to a way and then berries can lower some and uuugggghhh
Ok so I can just abuse vitamins for Evs right?
silver ravine
Yeah as long as you have the money for it
magic steeple
Ok thank god
I thought there was some mechanic where I missed or something
balmy glen
it’s not that complicated tbh
nocturne holly
Dear god how do y'all understand Iv and Ev stuff I feel like im in a college mat...
Ivs is like natural talent
Evs are like work and training
balmy glen
advanced ev spreads like Wolfeys personal ev spread man is pretty hard tho lol
mighty stump
Most of the time you don’t even need something that advanced
magic steeple
Ok so IVs are like being born
EVs are from fighting certain pokemon/vitamins/etc
balmy glen
Most of the time you don’t even need something that advanced
Well unless your going to a high lvl competition I’d say you do
nocturne holly
Yea
magic steeple
Or Vitamin abusing since blueberry has the funny printer
balmy glen
other than that no you really don’t and can just go get spreads off sites and others
mighty stump
Well unless your going to a high lvl competition I’d say you do
I mean reading Traylor’s reports those spreads all seem pretty sinple
balmy glen
I mean reading Traylor’s reports those spreads all seem pretty sinple
Traylors team was basic tho
mighty stump
Yeah thats what im saying
balmy glen
there was no need to make advanced spreads
solid frigate
Alrighty 1400 Elo,gonna get more progress
mighty stump
Sometimes you don’t really need to
nocturne holly
Well unless your going to a high lvl competition I’d say you do
I mean you don’t need like overly complicated spreads
You just need to know what they do to a good understanding
mighty stump
A lot of Yotam’s teams look pretty straightforward in calcs too
balmy glen
but honestly it’s Wolfeys spreads that make a huge differejce
Well his team building ig in general is what sets him apart
mighty stump
Not like I’m going to disagree, I like spreads that can do a lot
But for general players its nowhere near necessary
balmy glen
Obviously he did complete the 10,000 hours quota so
magic steeple
I assume the power bands and stuff were back when vitamins were expensive and there werent much ways to make money in ye olde times
mighty stump
I just have money out the wazoo
I like just using vitamins/feathers. I know i’ll miscount with regular training or will double and triple recheck so id rather just do it in one precisely
Can get a team done in 10-15
magic steeple
If only I were this rich in real life to be able to afford medications like such
mighty stump
I’m sorry to hear that?
balmy glen
what
craggy dagger
magic steeple
dw i was trying to make a bit
craggy dagger
i finally finished the dlc 
got my terapagos
magic steeple
Have fun printing
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
i finally finished the dlc <:firefly_catstare:1242976037529194538>
got my terap...
noice
turtle time
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
solid frigate
solid frigate
yeah Heavy Slam is better due to you don't need to heavily invest on Attack Stat
charred saddle
huh
heavy slam still does calc from atk tho
it only rolls for BP
40-120
if u get intimidated u still get reduced damage
its not the same case as body press
craggy dagger
yep
charred saddle
in my case i learned it the hard way 
solid frigate
but like you don't have to invest on it that much
charred saddle
2 heavy slam KOs something, then i didnt ko cz of intim
nocturne holly
does anyone here use showdex
nocturne holly
does it get its usage things from smogon
or like munchstats
or what is it
in bo1
mighty stump
no clue
solid frigate
does it get its usage things from smogon
Showdex only uses Moveset,and will update the moveset depends on the move or item they use and they did not show usage
nocturne holly
https://pokepast.es/4259d035b3ace7ad thoughts on a replacement for incin? If I need FO I usually just take rilla and intim hasn’t been really useful tbh
craggy dagger
hitmontop-
intim, wg, fo all in one
nocturne holly
I was thinking of too but what does it have over incin
Just wide guard and I got that on peli
flinch
balmy glen
Bro used the Snorlax as a sacrificial pawn never give a Snorlax team to them ever again
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
mighty stump
Bro used the Snorlax as a sacrificial pawn never give a Snorlax team to them eve...
Im banning rn
balmy glen
good.
solid frigate
pago
balmy glen
:0
charred saddle
Im banning rn
solid frigate
you become csr fodder
i mean fair
balmy glen
i was using it then saw it and stopped
idk if they copied me cuz i reached top 10 with it 3 weeks ago or if japan was cooking also
charred saddle
grass tera too i assume?
balmy glen
mhm
solid frigate
also is it just me
or does Caly Ice Never Misses High Horsepower in like the course of History
polar canyon
charred saddle
high horsepower is 95% so
polar canyon
This replay is actually incredible
solid frigate
Rillaboom Crying in the Corner
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154232225-06cg69kxcc4kw5zq6a...
3 Turtles lets go
polar canyon
Triple turtle explurtle
Actually a tortoise
Actually idk? The name is obviously tera + galapagos tortoise and the base out of battle form is a little tortoise
But in battle it swims in the air like a turtle
It's both
solid frigate
But in battle it swims in the air like a turtle
it can't swim so yeah more like Tortoise
i guess its both
polar canyon
I was going off water = turtle and land = tortoise but it floats in the air
rustic mountain
I was just using it with acid spray magmar rn
mighty stump
idk if they copied me cuz i reached top 10 with it 3 weeks ago or if japan was c...
Ive seen it in Japan like early Reg G
Honestly highest likelihood is whatever we did
Japan probably already did
mighty stump
I was going off water = turtle and land = tortoise but it floats in the air
Yall forgetting Terrapins
I’m like sitting in my consult room waiting for a biopsy
balmy glen
Honestly highest likelihood is whatever we did
true
When I talk to Joji he feels like the meta is slightly different
mighty stump
Yeah I can’t really understand the underlying Japanese metagame but it feels like
most games hinge on one or two very volatile/key turns
and therefore their teams appear to tempo very hard
rustic mountain
cant wait to see what gets cooked up for worlds w/ the different metas merging
eu and na generally pretty similar but japan always got some heat
balmy glen
On my hand I’ll probably end up just having a meta team with a niche twist
Like acid spray Magmar on my terapagos team or something dumb
rustic mountain
think a lot of ppl will opt for things of that nature
balmy glen
Ye
charred saddle
can i appeal tofu?
chonky boy stronk
its a bit weird that it doesnt have protect but i just press and pray i live
mighty stump
its a bit weird that it doesnt have protect but i just press and pray i live
Ya thats the point
Lmao
Your shield is your side slot being scarier/protective so they ignore Snorlax
polar canyon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154248060-x4ehuva8t2q7w9ysfq...
Right but what is that ice rider set
Tera surging strikes 3hko
That's gotta be like a scarf jolly low investment shifu or something
My terapagos team has been working pretty well I'll build it on cartridge tomorrow I think
Wonder if it's also gonna be good for in game ladder
charred saddle
Your shield is your side slot being scarier/protective so they ignore Snorlax
i still havent found a scenario where i can curse freely tho
is it just like a flex slot or is it for something niche
i can kinda see like curse then TR its quite good but idk
mighty stump
i still havent found a scenario where i can curse freely tho
Its for Zama
Lol
And sometimes to just set up but you rarely bring Snorlax
Bro its not a Snorlax team
Lol
I just have it there as placeholder memes
mighty stump
Its for the Tera Ghost to eat Zama
So you use CIR/H-Arc to run throw the side slots
charred saddle
icic
mighty stump
and force a 1v1 between Lax and Zama
charred saddle
charred saddle
mighty stump
since Zama isnt a perfect round number/multiple of 4
its max hp is 199
u just need to chip it a tiny bit
lol
charred saddle
i mean its also the funny thing where the korai just decides to collision on snorlax
charred saddle
since Zama isnt a perfect round number/multiple of 4
is it always the case?
or is it only like 252 hp
sharp cobalt
molten oasis
Beat a dude in 1700’s
I do think that core I have rn is strong for sure
Also kinda saw that getting tw off against the CSR teams is really good
Wow, the CSR line just clicked lol
Tailwind is key
For CSR i need to just go damage mode
balmy glen
Tbh a lot of the high level CSR stuff need a nasty plot first for them to go crazy which is a free turn
But at the same time for your case CSR players can just play safe lines into you and be fine
molten oasis
Tbh a lot of the high level CSR stuff need a nasty plot first for them to go cra...
Yea
I think I’ve been using that turn wrong
The turn they try to set up
Before trying stuff today with torn
I was trying to set up Zac which wasn’t ever working
Lesson learned I suppose
Although im testing lando i its, okay
Still feel like my lines are very very clear with my core beyond CSR which is becoming clearer
I’m really enjoying amoonguss
mighty stump
is it always the case?
if its 252 its 199
mighty stump
Still feel like my lines are very very clear with my core beyond CSR which is be...
Good job
What lines?
molten oasis
Lines into CIR Miraidon are pretty much always my core
Mirai I always lead amoonguss Zac
CIR I lead amoonguss/incin and shifu
Kyogre, ah
Guess that hasn’t been as thought out
Zama I take amoonguss shifu torn and Zac, usually being able to manage zama through tornshifu
Uhm
Koraidon mu is tornshifu
Same for groudon
So I think the lines I need to work on solidifying are CSR and Kyogre
Right now the 6th is Lando I but I’m considering other stuff
That 6th is just gonna be a thing that exists although lando I does improve my mu for zama which is nice
Current stuff, considering Regidrago maybe in spot 6
yea, I think I’m happy with spots 1-5
Now to eventually do semi-extensive testing to determine a 6th
although im going to adjust amoonguss to max hp, whatever that 140 def was doing and spD dump
see how that goes
ah, it was in the calculator, thats where it came from
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154358852-at9e6i5180howbpjoiw1yeht3rpffrrpw?p2 What the hell is this guy's username
Against teams without Intimidate Assault Vest Groudon is very good
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.28.0
mighty stump
@molten oasis Good job i’m proud of you
graceful flare
Is play rough tsareena good
cedar condor
Hello i am trying to get into comp does anyone know where to start?
graceful flare
Hello i am trying to get into comp does anyone know where to start?
If your new use csr as your restricted as its the easiest to use
autumn vault
You can also use Calyrex-Ice rider, Miraidon, Zamazenta
CSR is Calyrex-Shadow rider
But i recommend to start with Miraidon
Its the actual easiest to use imo
Also this is a good place to look at @cedar condor
balmy glen
But i recommend to start with Miraidon
yup
autumn vault
I'm I'm I'm is obsessed with Calyrex-Shadow Rider
He's still learning competitive
Plus Calyrex-Shadow Rider is heavily countered rn
So there will be some complications for newbies when they use it
balmy glen
I think Miraidon,Terapagos, CSR is easiest in that order
Terapagos teams are very linear
autumn vault
Specs is the set i would recommend beginners since Meteor Beam and Calm Mind sets are a little more complicated since you have to set up and stuff
Specs you get the buff right away
balmy glen
Actually I find the calm mind ones more linear and think it would simpler for newer players to learn lines with
mighty stump
Click Calm Mind
Terastalise
???
Profit
bold geode
Click Calm Mind
Terastalise
???
Profit
Click Calm Mind
Terastalise
Wear Cloak
Ruin Monke's day
Profit
solid frigate
I think Miraidon,Terapagos, CSR is easiest in that order
Terapagos moment
but seriously Terapagos second Easiest is kinda unexpected from you,but then again you played Zamazenta sooooo i guess you know more pain than i do
mighty stump
Click Calm Mind
Terastalise
Wear Cloak
Ruin Monke's day
Profit
Remember when you said “CC Caly-S is just a tofu thing”
bold geode
Remember when you said “CC Caly-S is just a tofu thing”
Yeah I know
Go fuck yourself
mighty stump
Lmao
autumn vault
I have seen that type of stuff between Tofu and Monke a lot
But yes Monke's anger is justified
polar canyon
My terapagos just speed tied a chi yu at tailwind -1 speed which is oddly specific
And now I feel like I should give it more speed
wet wedge
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku in Rain: 319-376 (101.5 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Tera Fire Charizard Blast Burn vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pyukumuku in Sun: 321-378 (102.2 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(Same Defense and SpDef stats)
chrome knot
gen9
charred saddle
Remember when you said “CC Caly-S is just a tofu thing”
damn. close combat caly shadow
plain drum
mighty stump
have u heard of the mind goblin
chrome knot
@balmy glen ohhhh im not gonna be in the same league as u im a random lmao
charred saddle
have u heard of the mind goblin
goblin deez nuts
mighty stump
mind goblin deez nUTS
charred saddle
mind goblin deez nUTS
u like dragon type?
mighty stump
dragon deez balls
charred saddle
on yo face
dusty gate
charred saddle
damn.
balmy glen
<@350152416815218688> ohhhh im not gonna be in the same league as u im a random ...
u can get moved up
and u can be on same team as me that means
mighty stump
What are yall talking about
mighty stump
Im not aware of being separations
charred saddle
all tofu cares is deez nutes
mighty stump
@balmy glen Where do you chekc
balmy glen
<@350152416815218688> Where do you chekc
rules doc
chrome knot
and u can be on same team as me that means
lmao dubs
mighty stump
rules doc
I really see 0 mention about the details of who goes into what league other than a korai/mirai division which I already know about
autumn vault
You guys are on the very high leagues while i participate in the Draft Server here that isn't super skilled
balmy glen
^
autumn vault
Oh, i did not know that
balmy glen
the only "high league" would be NPA
bold geode
have u heard of the mind goblin
Haven't heard of that since I met with the Sugondeez
Sugondeez nuts
autumn vault
I saw that coming
bold geode
Shut up
autumn vault
Nah, i don't feel like it
chrome knot
Oh, i did not know that
the are enjoyers of practicing for the ‘25 season
speaking of which i got a league cup on the 21st
next stump
are those the shitty 15CP ones or the 50CP
I have like 4 15CP tourneys this month and I really can't be asked to attend many of them because they give nothinggggg
chrome knot
50
challenge is the shitty one
but like you may as well max out challenges asap so you dont have to bother playing them lmao
balmy glen
I have like 4 15CP tourneys this month and I really can't be asked to attend man...
fr
one of my online friends was trying to convince me to come to a local and I was just like "looool nah not for awhile"
autumn vault
I got 0 locals in my area thanks Spain
balmy glen
boutta get the flex on everyone with medals + a custom avatar in OPL because we all know thats what truly matters in matches
style points
chrome knot
yay for Emma avatar
mighty stump
fair
molten oasis
<@465881273454559252> Good job i’m proud of you
Ty
solid frigate
nocturne holly
how is ditto rn
it feels weird using it because you also have to pay attention to which side your mons are on
Don’t normally think about that
It’s pretty fun tho
solid frigate
imagine 4 Calyrexes in one match
polar canyon
how is ditto rn
Awesome
I've had 3 terapagos out in a battle plenty of times already
solid frigate
yeah its fuuni
autumn vault
I want the Victory Crown Decoration, guess what game i returned to temporarily?
polar canyon
I just copied a moody amuk and gave the gimmick player a taste of their own medicine
frigid flume
Where can I browse rental teams
autumn vault
Where can I browse rental teams
You just go up and down
Or just go to the search bar and look for a team with a restricted you like
All the meta restricteds should have their own rentals here
solid frigate
except Miraidon-
autumn vault
Yeah
solid frigate
(Cuz why not Rajan's Formula is the key)
autumn vault
But there are a lot of Miraiodn rentals in Limitless
solid frigate
no its in #rental_teams
frigid flume
Do I have to get them outside of the battle teams
solid frigate
just borrow it in rental team selection
autumn vault
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154551250-b0ap55qbusg7rjinxgmg02gsixhbwanpw Man this was an awful match
Spoiler alert: It was FO Spam and Perish Trap
frigid flume
Okay
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2154551250-b0ap55qbusg7rjinxg...
the dewgong give me flashbacks-
solid frigate
yep
autumn vault
I hated that match
Just the constant Flinches on Groudon and the protecting, super annoying
I won because i don't irritate the opponent with long ass turns and flinches like that
frigid flume
I’m trying to find a rental with farig and bloodmoon trickroom
autumn vault
There are a few rentals with that combination
https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/ Or just look at here
nocturne holly
I’m trying to find a rental with farig and bloodmoon trickroom
Rajan bals mirai team had a tr mode with those two
nocturne holly
I’m working on a team now but I’m unsure what directions to go in
Mirai is a very easy restricted to start with
autumn vault
Miraidon is imo the restricted new players should start with, its also the most disgusting legendary in terms of damage
molten oasis
Miraidon is imo the restricted new players *should* start with, its also the mos...
CIR should be that but ok
autumn vault
Nah, Miraidon is better to start with
molten oasis
It’s not super hard to use and it’s more consistent
autumn vault
CIR is more heavily countered than Miraidon and does need TR to function
Miraidon teams are just always annoying to face
molten oasis
CIR is more heavily countered than Miraidon and does need TR to function
By
CIR has issues with incin peli and amoonguss
Which can all easily be managed with with other members
Miraidon’s whole thing is pivoting with v-switch unless it’s in a position to start dealing damage
autumn vault
Miraidon only has Ting-Lu and Rilla to worry about
And you can easily fix those with Urshifu-R, Tornadus, Chi-Yu/Incin, etc.
molten oasis
Miraidon only has Ting-Lu and Rilla to worry about
And you can easily fix those ...
Amoonguss