competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

yea ok so

[willow vault]

Either way, there is risk but you won, so no harm no foul

[timber falcon]

idk about taunt incin atp

hmm ok

[molten oasis]

you double terapagos turn 6, then double hands turn 7, then you win

[daring pumice]

CIR😓

[molten oasis]

chi yu HAS to get a burn as your pao would be max hp

so you get sash and stuff

[willow vault]

Are you blaze Incineroar?

[timber falcon]

this is if hands didnt wake up

[molten oasis]

yes

if hands woke up you probably just lost tbh

[timber falcon]

omg i didnt change any abilities

[willow vault]

There was no intimidate proc

[timber falcon]

lmfao

[molten oasis]

why did you swtich dengo out?

[willow vault]

There you go, your welcome

[timber falcon]

THATS WHY FRIEND GUARD DIDNT WORK

[willow vault]

Yep

[timber falcon]

which turn?

[solid frigate]

also i just saw showdown VGC chatroom go dumb moment-

[molten oasis]

turn 3

[timber falcon]

so it wouldnt die?

[willow vault]

For your sake I’m glad I caught that, since multiple Pokemon have the wrong ability

[molten oasis]

what does switching out gain you there

[timber falcon]

it had no good reason to do down there, so i didnt let it go down

and it came in handy as a switch later on

[molten oasis]

you just killed it later

[foggy lodge]

I once was testing a A9 Baxcalibur team in reg F and the first game i played my rival said "buddy that A9 doesn't have snow warning"

[timber falcon]

it was a wotthy sacrifice

[molten oasis]

mm, you shadow ball there

[foggy lodge]

😭😭😭

[molten oasis]

that and fix the abilities

[timber falcon]

it was dead either way no?

[molten oasis]

you dont die to lance+wild charge

156+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 204 HP / 60 Def Gholdengo: 82-97 (43.6 - 51.5%) -- 9.4% chance to 2HKO

[willow vault]

What item is your okidogi?

[timber falcon]

AV

[willow vault]

Yikes

[molten oasis]

in fact

[timber falcon]

i mean, i assumed theyd double up

[foggy lodge]

Anyways what are you cooking guys

I was playing Smash

Killed a Marth at 20% with Mario lol

[willow vault]

Palkia, fwg core with dragon cheer, and gholdengo is my actual restricted

[molten oasis]

156+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 204 HP / 60 Def Gholdengo with Friend Guard: 61-73 (32.4 - 38.8%) -- 98.5% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 204 HP / 60 Def Gholdengo with Friend Guard: 103-123 (54.7 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[forest arrow]

Drago do you have flutter that lives jolly crash

[molten oasis]

you probably would have lived if instead you click shadow ball into caly and then switched in clef

[molten oasis]

probably

[willow vault]

Didn’t have the right ability so would have died

[molten oasis]

oh ik

[timber falcon]

true tbh

[molten oasis]

but still, the point stands

[forest arrow]

I need

[molten oasis]

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Moonblast
• Icy Wind
• Protect

[timber falcon]

that play was a better play

[willow vault]

Yeah in that scenario your play is better but due to messed up abilities, that play wouldn’t have worked, but atleast it’s fixed now

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[forest arrow]

ty

[gentle crag]

throwdatahh has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[foggy lodge]

I use a Flutter set that lives 252 timid astral barrage

Idk if its better a physically bulky set

[molten oasis]

you have to pick what you want to live i think

[timber falcon]

anyways thats all the time i could scramble together in this test period

cya guys when i next got time

[willow vault]

Anyways, Imma head out to get some sleep, talk to you all tomorrow

[molten oasis]

bye

im gonna go play this new team i have ingame cuz i wanna see animations

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

hi nova

[willow vault]

Hi Nova

[solid frigate]

hoi nova

[craggy dagger]

[polar nest]

can i plz get some feedback on this team, thanks!! https://pokepast.es/df123e612383c9ef

[daring pumice]

Flash fire tech😓

[solid frigate]

also i have to do some working on my Pagos team cuz my team is not it against Mid Elo

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

im so done with this rn, ok

[solid frigate]

tf is that.

[daring pumice]

🗿

That is insane

[foggy lodge]

Why body press Heatran

[craggy dagger]

i see a lot of water/ground weakness

[daring pumice]

Life orb but body press?

[solid frigate]

Urshifu water fest

Literally made his team worse against Urshifu

[molten oasis]

nah yk what yall got this

[craggy dagger]

on the highlight mons i assume

[molten oasis]

i dont even know how to tackle this team

[daring pumice]

Where do u even start

[solid frigate]

My team is already kinda bad against Shifu (Water,Dark is somewhat fine)

[molten oasis]

scrapping the first 3 members

and giving terapagos tri attack or hyper beam over eball

[foggy lodge]

lmao true

[solid frigate]

Indeedee is fine,but like still in this team is kinda meh

[foggy lodge]

psyspam is dead tbh

[daring pumice]

Armarouge is ASS

[molten oasis]

mm

[foggy lodge]

Too many good dark types and tera dark is super common

[daring pumice]

caly shadow food

[solid frigate]

just use Chi Yu for Terapagos Teams-

ITS LITERALLY A PORTABLE SPECS

[molten oasis]

yea literally chi flutte over arma and heatran and this team looks way better

then, grimmsnarl over indeedee probably, or incin

[foggy lodge]

@polar nest you could try this

[daring pumice]

Wait what % is chi yu ability

[molten oasis]

that urshifu needs tera water or ghost as well

[foggy lodge]

25%

[craggy dagger]

shifu wants water tera, torn looks fine tbh
terapagos if you're specs, youd want another stab high bp move instead of energy ball
indeedee looks fine here
mmm
leftover armarouge doesnt work well in this format-
if you really want to run armarouge, run life orb expanding force instead
heatran is....
A weird choice here but id just take that slot and use a fake out or intimidate user instead imo

[molten oasis]

all the ruins abilities affect by 25%

[solid frigate]

Hyper Beam and who said Weather Ball Terapagos btw

[foggy lodge]

tf it learns Weather Ball

[craggy dagger]

it does

[molten oasis]

terapagos has a fat movepool

[craggy dagger]

i used weather ball for a little while but
its not rlly worth it

[solid frigate]

it learns weather ball but not Moonblast

thanks game

[craggy dagger]

cause it would be OP if it got moonblast

[molten oasis]

uh

lets not give it moonblast

[craggy dagger]

at least weather ball is base 50 with no weather

[daring pumice]

It would be the best mon ever wtf

[craggy dagger]

so it would be fair

[solid frigate]

well not really.....

[craggy dagger]

give it moonblast and its gonna shred through almost everything

[molten oasis]

well it wont beat incin thats for sure

[daring pumice]

eh kinda

[molten oasis]

and even with moonblast its still doesnt hit steel types pre tera

[craggy dagger]

it has earth power

[molten oasis]

earth power tera starstorm is a must imo

unless your CSR mu is really bad

[craggy dagger]

so it doesnt need anything to hit with pre tera steel

[solid frigate]

its literally in every pagos set

[foggy lodge]

I just run Earth Power Dark Pulse Tera Starstorm Hyperbeam

[craggy dagger]

if you're specs, run moonblast, earth power, starstorm and another stab move-
this is if pagos got moonblast

[molten oasis]

thats like, standard i believe

[craggy dagger]

else dont run moonblast

[molten oasis]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Yeah, it covers almost everything

[daring pumice]

wait is the guy who posted that here still listening🗿

[solid frigate]

its more like

Starstorm,Earth Power,Dark Pulse and Hyper Beam/Tri Attack

[foggy lodge]

Covers ghost types pre tera with DP, and steel/rock types pre tera

[molten oasis]

although like shifu with surging its gonna be clicking starstorm more that anything

[foggy lodge]

prolly not lmao

[solid frigate]

he maybe Lurk

but yeah Armarouge gonna take it down and replace with Chi Yu or Incin

[craggy dagger]

i mean wg arma is cool but it doesnt rlly fit well

[solid frigate]

like Chi Yu and Amoonguss are the best Partners for Pagos

[molten oasis]

oh it is a wide guard guy huh

[daring pumice]

Armarouge Is bad

[molten oasis]

no

[solid frigate]

its a niche in this format,its good in early SV but thats it

[molten oasis]

its not bad, it can be used on psyspam and it brings value with wide guard

[daring pumice]

Psyspams dead I haven’t played 1 like all format

[molten oasis]

did arma psyspam ever win anything?

[foggy lodge]

In regulation A lol

[solid frigate]

Ahem,Dawn Wings Necrozma

[craggy dagger]

like
a couple regs ago i think so

[solid frigate]

Reg A

[daring pumice]

reg b ass core

[foggy lodge]

Japanese things

[craggy dagger]

psyspam isnt dead i am 100000%
sure about that

[solid frigate]

still matters tho

[craggy dagger]

i still run-
shadowspam as a joke sometimes

[solid frigate]

like i try to make Dawn WIngs Work as well

[molten oasis]

psyspam jsut has to deal with miraidon and rilla

[foggy lodge]

And dark types

[molten oasis]

which are the stronger forms of terrain rn

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/9aa951e2efe03052

I swear i have a Wo-Chien Addiction-

[foggy lodge]

Misty terrain doesn't exist

[craggy dagger]

which pokemon gets quick guard
im honestly kinda curious

[solid frigate]

well its for fun

[molten oasis]

gapdos

[dapper crag]

Move: Quick Guard

The user and its party members are protected from attacks with original or altered priority greater than 0 made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Fighting

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

talonflame

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown

[molten oasis]

what?

[craggy dagger]

lmao what

[solid frigate]

i literally fought one before and i was shocked

wait lemme check

[dapper crag]

Iron Crown's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Psycho Cut, Sacred Sword, Slash, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Supercell Slam, Take Down, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Confusion, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Hyper Beam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Steel Beam, Stored Power, Tachyon Cutter, Tera Blast, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Electric Terrain, Endure, Gravity, Iron Defense, Leer, Metal Sound, Protect, Quick Guard, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Crown.

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

the gen 8 dogs get it

[solid frigate]

i legit just like:Wtf huh-

[molten oasis]

iron boulder and leaves also get it

kingambit gets it

[solid frigate]

its just not that much use when you have Protect

[daring pumice]

Scrafty

Dollar store incin

[molten oasis]

farigiraf

[solid frigate]

yep wtf is gamefreak doing-

[molten oasis]

i think the future swords of justice get it due to the normal forms having it

[solid frigate]

that move is practically no usage but i get it

anyways

currently decide on making a new CM Pagos Team

[polar nest]

did i oops

[polar nest]

but i dont like amoongus, and where are armarougge and indeedee?

[solid frigate]

Indeedee is iffy

[polar nest]

i just want to use armarouge

[solid frigate]

but Armarouge is not great in this regulation

[polar nest]

ceruledge?

i like them both

[craggy dagger]

ceruledge is worse off than armarouge

[daring pumice]

Wait question what partner does regidrago appreciate? I feel like speed control so it could just outspeed things get more full health dragon energy off

[polar nest]

how

[molten oasis]

unfortunately

[daring pumice]

do u go with like a fake tears tw whims

[molten oasis]

we have to use the things we dont like for a good team

this game is harsh to using favorites

[polar nest]

womp womp ill use toedscruel and be creul hahaha- (jkjk)

[craggy dagger]

being susceptible to intimidate too easily
basically you need clear amulet

[daring pumice]

1000 elo demon

[solid frigate]

Zacian is a solid Partner with Regidrago

[polar nest]

i do have this https://pokepast.es/f41c1a4ac111a550

[solid frigate]

can i burn this team

[daring pumice]

no speed control? It’s slow so I feel like I need to be outspeeding things to make it work

[molten oasis]

no grassy seed rilla

[polar nest]

sure

[molten oasis]

av

[craggy dagger]

seed acrobatics though

[solid frigate]

i mean this is a team of 6-

[molten oasis]

the thing, i forgot who, sent

[solid frigate]

you can run Whimsicott as well

[molten oasis]

is a good team

[polar nest]

i did have a another idea-

[molten oasis]

nah

[solid frigate]

i need suggestions on building a Pagos Team for testing

[polar nest]

lemme just try and co-

[solid frigate]

Terapagos,Chi Yu,Amoonguss

Then what now

[molten oasis]

pagos whims there ya go

[solid frigate]

pls no-

[solid frigate]

ok got 4 pokemon

[polar nest]

uuhhhhh

[molten oasis]

using rentals is probably best rn

[daring pumice]

I’ve seen comfey on those teams

[solid frigate]

there are some sweet Rentals for Terapagos

[molten oasis]

so you can learn how teams work and then be able to build teams yourself

[daring pumice]

Triage is fking busted

[solid frigate]

Me,Pizza and Lyco build Pagos Teams

[molten oasis]

you need to get down basics before building teams

[solid frigate]

i actually don't see Comfey a lot now

[daring pumice]

Oh rly

Every time I see it it’s on a team where it just can’t die

triage is insane

[solid frigate]

idk its just seems rare for me

[molten oasis]

the format is faster than how that plays

i think its fine, but a chi yu to boost damage is usually more valuable

[solid frigate]

Terapagos-Terastal @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Tera Shell
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

New EVs, does it look slightly better

[molten oasis]

what does it do

[solid frigate]

its Virtually the same EVs i used but slightly Increase the Defense,In Stellar Form it can Tank Scarf Urshifu's Close Combat from Full HP

[molten oasis]

does it not do that already at max hp?

[solid frigate]

Well yeah,just feel like 196 SpA is Enough

cuz in Sample Sets its 164 HP and 164 SpA

[molten oasis]

so whats the 36 Def for

if pagos already eats cc

why are we investing defense

[solid frigate]

Terapagos @ Leftovers
Level: 50
Ability: Tera Shell
EVs: 164 HP / 76 Def / 164 SpA / 92 SpD / 12 Spe
IVs: 15 Atk
Tera Type: Stellar
Modest Nature

• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

I mean this is the one i found in Sample Sets

[solid frigate]

i'm just not too sure about stuff-

[molten oasis]

252/252 is fine

you're overthinking things

[solid frigate]

i fucking forgot it outspeeds the bikes in Tailwind-

[molten oasis]

if there is something you need to live or outspeed then there ya go

theres a reason to invest evs elsewhere

is there currently a reason to invest elsewhere?

[solid frigate]

not really 20 EVs i used is more like funky speed interaction with my Cresselia

but eh I'll try Max Max Min

[foggy lodge]

If you come to the comp channel you have to expect recommendation of mons that maybe you don't like xd

[solid frigate]

Terapagos-Terastal @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Tera Shell
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[foggy lodge]

Damn it didn't answer the message lmao

Fuck discord

[solid frigate]

i have an Excuse to run Scarf Chi Yu Now

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/f41c1a4ac111a550 ok so-

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna burn this Team like fr

Why-

[daring pumice]

ceruledge?

[polar nest]

its the only unused terrain in meta rn

oh wrong team

[daring pumice]

and why grassy seed over av

[polar nest]

oops

[molten oasis]

...

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/f41c1a4ac111a550

wut

https://pokepast.es/a1abf0680c48a0d8

there we go

[daring pumice]

r u ok

[polar nest]

like i said

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-frustrada-frustrating-com-raiva-puxando-o-olho-gif-22747412

[polar nest]

only unused terrain in metagame rn

[molten oasis]

i wonder why

[daring pumice]

why do u think it’s not used

[polar nest]

underrated?

[solid frigate]

Fake Tears or Encore on Whims?

[daring pumice]

(It does nothing )

[molten oasis]

i dont think you're ready to build teams

you need a better understanding of the format before building teams

[polar nest]

imma just try it in some battols

[molten oasis]

[polar nest]

right i understand whats good, i just want to use my favs too

[daring pumice]

If ur favs is galarian wheezing u can’t do it

[molten oasis]

DO YOU???

[polar nest]

yea

caly ice go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[molten oasis]

do you understand how to build your teams AROUND The meta? cuz so far idt you can

[solid frigate]

as a Cresselia user,just no please

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/2025ce9c622fa74a

[molten oasis]

that is not, mmmm

https://tenor.com/view/linokisser-gif-reaction-tiktok-alien-gif-21656547

[daring pumice]

😭😭😭😭

[polar nest]

well my FAV fav has retired

[daring pumice]

Alolan raichu tech🔥😭

[molten oasis]

im done man

this is more frustrating than missing play rough

[solid frigate]

same,i'm just gonna focus on Teambuild rn

[polar nest]

sorry ):

[molten oasis]

use

rentals

[daring pumice]

just like use stuff that isn’t unplayable until u get a better idea

[molten oasis]

you are not ready, to build teams yourself

you need to understand how to build a team around the meta, before you build a team yourself

[polar nest]

ok

i did use rentals

they were cool

[molten oasis]

ok, keep using them

find something you like

and play that team, to teambuild

[polar nest]

i think imma find some serperior rentals, see if i like em and build similar cuz i LOVE serperior

[daring pumice]

🗿😓

[molten oasis]

ig thats better than building yourself

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/f3162731e24de1a5

Done,decide to give Mystic Water Urshifu a Try

[molten oasis]

cool have fun with that

looks solid

[polar nest]

oh torrent ur dawn wings rental looks fun

i love dawn wings too

[solid frigate]

its outdated

[polar nest]

oh

[solid frigate]

i edited it a bit from my perspective

[polar nest]

is there a new one?

[silver ravine]

How big of a disadvantage would it be to not bring my restricted mon for every match? Thinking I might be shooting myself in the foot trying to run a slow and fast psyspam team.

[molten oasis]

Its mu dependent

If the restricted is terrible in that mu, then don’t bring it

[solid frigate]

well if you wanna try ithttps://pokepast.es/9aa951e2efe03052

[daring pumice]

Restricteds should be brought very often though generally

[molten oasis]

In general yes you should take your restricted a lot

[silver ravine]

Even if I have the counters for a bad match up?

[molten oasis]

If it’s that bad into the mu yes

[silver ravine]

Who knows maybe in the next format, it'll be 2 restricted mons so I can bring a slow restricted

[molten oasis]

In double restricted i think it’s more common to not bring one of the restricteds

[solid frigate]

yeah you most likely have at least 2 modes in mind for battling

[daring pumice]

That was common in swsh

[molten oasis]

Figures

[solid frigate]

i'll try lunapagos cuz i just god damn hate Koraidon-

well not hate him generally

i do love its design

and i think fake tires is funny

[next stump]

I’d say like 10-20% of my games I don’t bring Ice Rider

[silver ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-gif-23631832

Funny you should say Ice Rider, when I'd be using Shadow Rider

[solid frigate]

Shadow Rider:Don't bring it in front of Terapagos MU

[silver ravine]

How come? Wouldn't a psychic stab be enough?

[daring pumice]

If they get a cm up u lose

[solid frigate]

nah they most likely use Draining Kiss now

for Calyrex Shadow Rider

[daring pumice]

yes the psyspam set isn’t great

[solid frigate]

you mean Pagos?

well its either Specs,CM or Power Herb

[polar nest]

yea i playd a g- weezing team and DESTROYED it

so i guess its not very good

[solid frigate]

see what we meant the teams are bad-

[polar nest]

yea

[daring pumice]

If u bring a mon like that your other side will just get doubled since wheezing can’t do anything

[polar nest]

i think when i build a team i should base off a better players team

there was a stonjourner cere team and idk if i wanna try

[daring pumice]

I think u need to learn a bit more before u do that, u need a better understanding of the meta and what’s viable, and u need to learn about cores and synergies

[polar nest]

yea

i did have one more team i built like a month ago, i dont think its good but ill show anyways https://pokepast.es/0b99b4e252e29668

[solid frigate]

this is somehow the best team we saw from you-

[polar nest]

is it good?

[daring pumice]

Wait that team kinda goes crazy

[polar nest]

fr?

kilowattrel go brrr?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/0518876814d88f34

But i mean.... My Boulder exists

[polar nest]

i like dat

imma try

[polar nest]

are u kidding?

[daring pumice]

No I think a few movesets could use some tweaking but other then that I’m fr

[polar nest]

on what?

lmg kilo

with kilo i rely on rain WAY TOO MUCH

[solid frigate]

because Hurricane?

[polar nest]

and thunder, yea

[solid frigate]

yeah-

[daring pumice]

Tbolt on the kilo, also icy wind makes no sense with the kyogre

[polar nest]

i think maybe keep thunder kick hurri, cuz wind power charge

[polar nest]

idk how to do kyo

[polar nest]

tbolt hurri?

[solid frigate]

just run Ice Beam or if you wanna be funny,snowscape Tornadus with Blizzard Kyogre

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/ddf91d3d58210b5c ok i did some tweaks

[daring pumice]

the kingambit it kinda bad

[solid frigate]

yeah now it looks better

[daring pumice]

if u want a bulky one you could do av

[polar nest]

ok how fix

[solid frigate]

just run Protect and AV yeah

oh wait

[polar nest]

i want av for arc tho

[charred saddle]

?

[solid frigate]

Black Glasses

[charred saddle]

protect and AV new tech

[solid frigate]

this is also fine

[daring pumice]

protect tech ??🔥🔥

[solid frigate]

i forgot that-

[polar nest]

yo

craazy

[solid frigate]

just use black Glasses if you want Protect

[daring pumice]

No but I’ve seen some kingambit do av with tera flying Tera blast

[polar nest]

ok

[charred saddle]

because thats a thhing

fairy tera blast also

[polar nest]

prot over what, low kick?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[charred saddle]

low kick sucker iron head kowtow terablast

no, its AV set

[silver ravine]

Can a 252 speed shadow rider beat a ice rider that has tailwind?

[charred saddle]

other set usually dont run lowkick

[solid frigate]

its suppose to be Black Glasses

[daring pumice]

You can either do black glasses or av

[solid frigate]

what-

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/58ca9ddea56062c5

[daring pumice]

Black glasses ones look like something along the lines of this

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Kowtow Cleave
• Sucker Punch
• Protect
• Swords Dance

[silver ravine]

If I have a shadow rider with 252 speed evs, could it out speed a ice rider under tailwind?

[polar nest]

5 moves new tech

[charred saddle]

can even run brave for TR scenario

[solid frigate]

it usually does-

[charred saddle]

its called a choice.

[polar nest]

oh oops

[charred saddle]

movepool.

[solid frigate]

ice rider don't really run that much speed EVs

[polar nest]

i do want steel cover tho

[daring pumice]

steel cover?

[polar nest]

i want a steel move on kingambit

[silver ravine]

Might just bring gallade to more games, as I'm getting curb stomped by people running ice rider

[daring pumice]

Not all of them have iron head

[polar nest]

but i want to run iron head

for stuff like flutter

[solid frigate]

even if Caly Ice is Max Speed,its 188

Calyrex shadow is still faster

[daring pumice]

If u wanna run iron head then use defense one

[molten oasis]

?

[polar nest]

oh well ig i have arc

[molten oasis]

gambit usually wants iron head kowtow and sucker rn

[polar nest]

ok yea ill do sd

[molten oasis]

if you want sd, uh

pick between kowtow and iron head

[polar nest]

im not sure if i should do this set

[daring pumice]

I liked 2 dark prot sd more

[polar nest]

or stick with mine

ive used mine and prefer

[molten oasis]

ok but the need for steel coverage wasnt warrented then

[polar nest]

so imma go that but black glasses now

https://pokepast.es/46d2ff3fc32fce43 so i have this

[molten oasis]

tera fairy on archaludon

[daring pumice]

Is specs with kyogre a thing

[molten oasis]

you dont need tera electric

[molten oasis]

its the normal thing for tw teams rn

[polar nest]

ok

[molten oasis]

specs/scarf

[solid frigate]

Grass if you hate Amoonguss but tbf fairy is better

[molten oasis]

and then the slow bulky team with wo chien is a thing

[daring pumice]

This team has no tw

[molten oasis]

where kyogre has av

[polar nest]

ill go fairy, but i do hat amoongus

[molten oasis]

why doesnt the killowattrel have tw

[daring pumice]

To do specs kilo needs tw

[molten oasis]

get rid of roost you're not bulky enough

[solid frigate]

tell me about it-

Me just somehow make Wo Chien and Iron Boulder in the same team-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 941: Kilowattrel

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Wind Power, Volt Absorb, Competitive (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/70/60/105/60/125

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[molten oasis]

yea, no roost

give it tw

[solid frigate]

it just die in 1 to 2 hits

[polar nest]

ok

i originally ran tw

[molten oasis]

tw would be better

[polar nest]

ok running tw

now is it decent?

[molten oasis]

i mean

torn would be so much better than kilo here but its fine

not sure what kingambit does for you tho

[solid frigate]

when someone use TR?

[polar nest]

yea kinga there for tr

and to end stuff like fari

and cress

[molten oasis]

cress isnt relevant enough to worry about but i get it for fari

[polar nest]

yea

uh well i gtg and now that i got tw over roost am i good?

[molten oasis]

its fine

[strange fjord]

dang, cress really fell off from previous gens

[polar nest]

ok

imma try later

[molten oasis]

heatran too

new gen power creep is nuts

[polar nest]

ill take it

[solid frigate]

it got buffed,but it does not save Cress in this Reg

trying to make her work tho

[strange fjord]

give her follow me and then she'll be on everyone's team for sure

[solid frigate]

not exactly but i guess it makes her better

i am still a cress pagos beliver

[molten oasis]

cress isnt that bad of amon

[strange fjord]

its not, it just cant do much on its own

[molten oasis]

its valuable, it can become a sitting duck however

[daring pumice]

It just doesn’t have enough offense for this format

[solid frigate]

it has a nice bulk but its just don't do shit offensively

[molten oasis]

it never does

its a support mon

it can just get ignored

and farigiraf took over as the premier tr setter

[solid frigate]

well unless that mon is 4x week against Moonblast then yeah no it aint happening

[molten oasis]

tera fairy moonblast did like, 45% to my zacian today

i tera'd dragon

but i was like, wow that was not a lot of damage

[strange fjord]

dang, 3HKO

[solid frigate]

thats why i said 4x weak

but then again

its just not it chief

like just give some SpA from Idk Speed?

[molten oasis]

id rather it not be better in tr thanks

its still annoying to fight

[daring pumice]

If it starts getting moonblast spa drops it can be a nightmare

[solid frigate]

which i am quite lucky on those but eh it does not even do that much on Miraidon if i recall

[molten oasis]

idt it can kill urshifu

in 1 shot

[solid frigate]

it can against Urshifu Dark but not Urshifu Water

assume Cress Tera

0 SpA Cresselia Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 52-62 (29.7 - 35.4%) -- 14.3% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Cresselia Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 4 SpD Urshifu: 172-204 (97.7 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[wet wedge]

CALYREX-GOAT RIDER

[solid frigate]

bro survived for a roll

[wet wedge]

Flat 1 health btw

0.5% out of 205 when I hovered over it

[solid frigate]

Thats Why Calyrex has Plot Armor

[wet wedge]

TRUE

[silver ravine]

Got faked out of the wide guard by fake out lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2148841791

Still learning to pilot the team, but so far I'm liking it. Ice Rider and Tera Turtle so far are my hardest match ups

[solid frigate]

usually try to rely on partners on deal with Pagos

[slender sentinel]

Hi, so im really new to vgc. Ive been watching Wolfe for a while now, and decided i wanted to try and get into competitive pokemon. In one of his vids, he fights an armarouge with weakness policy that sweeps his team, and i want to try to build a team off of that. What are some good pokemon and strats i can pair with amarouge?

[daring pumice]

In the current format that’s not a strategy you want to build a team around, the Pokémon you want to build around are called restricted pokemon, they are super strong pokemon that have the highest stat total on a team

[solid frigate]

is pokemon fans just obsessed with Armarouge-

[slender sentinel]

Ok, who would be a good restricted pokemon for me to start off with then?

[solid frigate]

here

[daring pumice]

@slender sentinel

[slender sentinel]

Thanks

[solid frigate]

tho i would recommend try Rental Teams

and see what playstyle suits you

[daring pumice]

Yeah don’t try to build a team urself

[solid frigate]

i legit fall in love with Rain Teams after tried to climb with it

[silver ravine]

Best game yet. RIP Ogerpon tho. See you at the crossroads so you don't get lonelyyyyyyyyyyyy https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2148851354

Fav moment

[solid frigate]

moment when you are salty but you still keep it cool

[silver ravine]

I didn't take it as them being salty, though I'm not sure how much of a predict they could've made.

[solid frigate]

well idk

its more depends on your own thought process on the game plan

[silver ravine]

I figured he wouldn't of gotten the ko, even with the grassy glide. If he did, my karate bear would've still gotten the ko and then koed Rilla

[solid frigate]

fair

[solid frigate]

like at least you find your alternative planning

[silver ravine]

Yeah once Torn and Zacian were gone, it was relatively smooth sailing. Still hate Bleakwind. Me and my homies hate bleakwind

[solid frigate]

the miss is insane

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/33cfc6ef47373679 thoughts? im not sure how I feel about max spe bm so far and i might try av on incin

[silver ravine]

Not that experienced, but what's the role of Farigiraf in such a fast team?

[nocturne holly]

it stops fake out with armor tail
provides hh support

also tr mode with bm ursa

[silver ravine]

You right. Who else would you take for your tr mode or would it be more of a last ditch effort/end game sweeper?

[nocturne holly]

i like bring incin cause of all that pivot power and then either urshifu or mirai as like a closer or a strong opener

theres so much pivoting with this team its so nice

[agile urchin]

atleast some people still fw dialga it seems

[next stump]

have you played with Rajan Bal’s version?

[craggy dagger]

it looks fine to me but ground blast fari hm

[nocturne holly]

yea that was the inspo

[solid frigate]

i used Dialga in Early Reg G

tho i switch to Kyogre and Lunala/Dawn Wings

[forest arrow]

Zee's version with Talonflame is pretty cool too

https://pokepast.es/f45e6cc813622c51

[agile urchin]

I made a cool dialga/ttar team that worked nicely

[solid frigate]

cool

anyways

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/620b71021dbb3731 would like black glasses shifu be better on this? i think it really needs detect
or would watershifu be better suited here? i wanted darkshifu for the csr mu tho

[glossy mirage]

water shifu. it can hit any for decent damage even if not very effective

[polar canyon]

Is armarouge not kinda decent support for terapagos

Pressures koraidon zamazenta and has stuff like wisp and wide guard

Ally switch?

I might try it to find out first hand why people don't use it

Either a sleeper pick or some glaring weakness I'm not noticing immediately

[molten oasis]

Most single strike are sash

Which is open

[nocturne holly]

I might try that

I just don’t know how to lead

[molten oasis]

Into what?

[nocturne holly]

Just like anything

Opposing mirai and csr

[molten oasis]

CSR is rough for Mirai tbf

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/df924c5b0baf5476 rough sketch

[molten oasis]

You probably need to use the tr mode for CSR

[molten oasis]

Why

Is there an armarouge there

[polar canyon]

I mean isn't terapagos weak to koraidon

And to zamazenta

[molten oasis]

Pelipper man

[patent marsh]

Pelipper 😭

[molten oasis]

Like peli exists its right there

[polar canyon]

I think wisp wide guard taunt looks nice

And it pressures zamazenta pretty good

[molten oasis]

Look at this right

Is arma gonna wisp before zama gets a bp off on the terapagos?

[polar canyon]

Drago I don't think you should be the one telling me something I picked is unorthodox or weird

[molten oasis]

If they’re on the field at the same time

[nocturne holly]

Yea that was my original thought but it just set up and swept me
Restricted feels like mu roulette

[molten oasis]

Oh, oh ok

So my advice is through the fucking window because I use unorthodox Pokémon

[polar canyon]

I mean

I still think it's worth trying

[molten oasis]

I’m going to give advice to use the best things possible

I have a stupid I need to use niche things kick to be different and rn I’m past it to improve as a player

[polar canyon]

Well I am just gonna use something actually solid if it fails

[molten oasis]

Who said armarouge is solid rn

[polar canyon]

So I'm not throwing your advice out the window

Just in the backburner

[molten oasis]

Why dont you take this back then mf

[daring pumice]

It’s honestly suprising how many people just have so much untapped potential bc they don’t use strong pokemon

[molten oasis]

Cuz apparently my advice is worthless because I also try to use niche pokemon

And have you seen how that goes for me?

[polar canyon]

Fair sorry

Well I'm gonna try

[molten oasis]

The things I try hardly have a valuable reasoning behind them then I get pissy and upset

[polar canyon]

If it doesn't go well I'm listening to you

I do see fair enough reasoning to at least try armarouge

[molten oasis]

Great, then try it

If you’re gonna ask for advice expect the high usage things

[polar canyon]

Just not today I have stuff to do lol but if it works I'll lyk

I mean in my last team one of the mons I didn't expect to be great is my absolute goat

I love support volcarona and will not shut up about it

Rage powder wisp struggle bug feels good to use

[molten oasis]

Ok but support volc is an established thing

So people aren’t gonna question it

The armarouge is questionable

[polar canyon]

Hey it's not like I'm trying something like quagsire or like cacturne or something

[molten oasis]

Cuz they suck

And bring no value to the format

I get what your going for here

Pelipper does what you want better, but I get it

Also that Tera needs to change cuz you’re gonna explode to pao and incin

[silver ravine]

From nightmare blunt rotation mirror match to victory. Jesus that made me think more than it had any right to https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2148922492

[polar canyon]

Yeah tera isn't set lol

Brb

[molten oasis]

Which are very common partners for zama mostly

I think pao has also appeared on korai teams

[polar canyon]

Yeah I'm aware

I think my favorite kinda way of play is having moves to just annoy the opponent constantly

Like breaking swipe struggle bug snarl

Probably why I saw armarouge having wisp and went hmmm

I think I wanna try the wisp wide guard mon

Hence why I loved volc

The wisp struggle bug mon

For tera I'm thinking fairy

The rest of the team is a decent enough team I think

Could swap clam for lefties on pagos for the grassy terrain protect spam

[silver ravine]

Jesus Terapagos is busted

[polar canyon]

Yep

Expect busted pokemon in the regulation they started allowing busted mons

[silver ravine]

I mean even for restricted it's busted. Just glad it's whole gimmick is only for this gen

[polar canyon]

I'll still rather fight any terapagos over good players using calyrex ice rider

[bold geode]

Hitmontop

[molten oasis]

Incin but ok

[bold geode]

What I walk into

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t incin do exactly what you want lol

Like, constant damage reduction is incins thing

[bold geode]

Idk if I like this place rn

[molten oasis]

You missed worse

[bold geode]

You'd know cough

[molten oasis]

Go fight OTOT over amoonguss/rilla or Tera ground clef

[bold geode]

What

[molten oasis]

That’s what I did today

[bold geode]

I mean I saw a Tera Ground Amoongus once

[molten oasis]

He said he wanted Tera ground Clefairy for miraidon over amoonguss and rilla so it couldn’t switch out

[bold geode]

?

[molten oasis]

Preventing volt switch

[bold geode]

Ok ok imma invalidate the whole argument you ready

Hold on gimme a min or two

[molten oasis]

Ping him about it too no balls

[bold geode]

Actually give me a minute I ran into Smeargle Muk, gotta lock in

[molten oasis]

Lmao real

[bold geode]

Fuck I lost cuz I missed at least a move a turn that time
Worst RNG in that MU

But

My response

[molten oasis]

Rip

[bold geode]

@timber falcon

Wonder what that says

Also hold on

[molten oasis]

What do you think I said lol

[bold geode]

Along with
3. There's 3 other Pokemon
4. Discharge or D Gleam if you do that

I rest my case

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[molten oasis]

Note this is for Ray

[bold geode]

Wha

[molten oasis]

Yea

[bold geode]

So Rayquaza?

[bold geode]

Rayquaza?

[molten oasis]

The team currently is ray pao Okidogi clef gholdengo and, uh

Incin

[bold geode]

Whoa whoa whoa

What in the fuck is that

[molten oasis]

He’s cooking

Or trying to

[bold geode]

Cooking? Dish is in the fields

[molten oasis]

Well plz go argue with the brick wall lol

I gave up and just let him have what he wants

[bold geode]

@timber falcon plz explain the logic of that 6

[molten oasis]

Okidogi was purely for incin

Ray pao is like, the standard thing for Ray I believe

[bold geode]

?
Urshifu is there

[molten oasis]

Clef, I told you that already

Dengo was for zama

[bold geode]

Dengo actually makes sense

[molten oasis]

Incin was for Zac/CIR/CSR

I’d consider Zac relevant enough to be considered for mu’s

[bold geode]

Dengo

[molten oasis]

Dengo was added last

But yea

Go ahead and try to convince him to fix the team cuz he doesn’t really tend to hear me out and gets zoned in on his ideas

[next stump]

I AM FINALLY FREE

90 HOURS OF RESETS

[silver ravine]

Fuck. Keep losing games because of how I'm playing rather than how my opponent is playing

[silver ravine]

Big gratz

[next stump]

thank you 🙂

[molten oasis]

Congrats Dillon thats hype

[rustic mountain]

ok i see u have taste using fast ball

grats

[rustic mountain]

good to atleast be able to identify that

jus a matter of adjusting ur play going forward

[silver ravine]

True. Might need to abandon the psy spam dream as there's too many strong dark types, and both riders are psychic if they don't tera.

[cyan smelt]

Or just add something like iron hands or urshifu, that way they can't protect stall during tr

[silver ravine]

My team has a TR and non TR mode. Thinking of either dedicating to TR or swapping out Armarouge for Hatterene https://pokepast.es/b12ea6a16f400962

[mighty stump]

Your coverage is pretty poor into Dark types

Your Caly-S has to at least be Nasty Plot to wallbreak

[silver ravine]

Would choice specs work or nah?

[mighty stump]

Ehh

Im not a fan of specs

I think it might also help if Arma isn’t min speed

So you can outspeed/hit slow Incin

[silver ravine]

How common is slow Incin tho?

[rustic mountain]

depends on the team comp

its not uncommon, i usually run slow incin myself

[foggy lodge]

tbh what is the max speed inci for?

[rustic mountain]

for the who chien ogre team its for faster fake out, outspeeds a lot of mid speed tier mons you can wow or parting shot b4 they attack and also can outspeed certain things that get twaved by grimm. prolly some other things that im not 100% on

[mighty stump]

Outspeeding Pelipper

Fast Incin likes Taunt to deny PShot/Wisp

It can also outspeed certain Rillaboom and Wisp first

And yeah, fastest FO

[bold geode]

Fast FO
Brady said you could also have slower Parting Shots in TR

[willow vault]

oh that's smart

[mighty stump]

Yeah so it depends on the team lol

Its purely preference

Obv slow incin is bulkier and is better to play reactively

[willow vault]

Obviously not every Rillaboom but lots are starting to speed creep max speed Incienroar for fastest fake out, losing just a little of the value turbo incin had

[craggy dagger]

mienshao staring into the camera-
“am i a joke to you”

[willow vault]

yes

[rustic mountain]

just part of the ebb and flow of meta development

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.28.0

[rustic mountain]

[torn parrot]

eeeeeeeyargeee

yarg

matey

[foggy lodge]

Can people play the game please

3 battles in a row that someone disconnects in the first turns or forfeits after game 1 xd

[strange fjord]

worst offender is when they timer stall as a dozo giri. like bro, you got to make 1 move. it aint that hard

its always when you start a fresh alt when you get the people who dont play the game
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2148839053?p2

[bold geode]

I just lost a set even though this bullshit happened
Wasn't there for G1 I win
Don't come in until later half of Game 2 and win
And then pull some bullshit Game 3 to win like bro
You weren't even there at the beginning

[foggy lodge]

Damn

Also this is the team i'm testing (is Keanu's team from Indianapolis but with Volcarona instead of Latios xd) https://pokepast.es/5de83ca124ef018a

[willow vault]

Its a new account, thats why its so low in elo, but the lack of undestanding of crits is very fun. https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2149003636-dan41ghozv4j8lmugc0ma9fx5khr2tipw

[cyan smelt]

Funny how when people run Dialga they don't run roar of time because of the recharge

[willow vault]

It has a recharge turn?

[cyan smelt]

Yes first turn attack 2nd turn recharge

[willow vault]

Oh

[cyan smelt]

That's why people run Draco on Dialga instead

[willow vault]

Makes sense

[autumn vault]

This is only for Bo1 base form Dialga

O-Dialga run Roar of Time 5% of the time

And in Bo3 O-Dialga run it 1% of the time

And i can't spot normal dialga

[mighty stump]

Probably cause there is literally no reason to

[mighty stump]

Bros

Im cooking something flaming hot

oml

The kitchen is burning down

[charred saddle]

damn

who let this asian man cook

anyway, show us the recipe

[mighty stump]

Snorlax (M) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost

• Facade
• Counter
• Yawn
• Fling

[tepid dagger]

Could i get some feedback on this team i built?
https://pokepast.es/7e4c0f155ef44c6f

[mighty stump]

You definitely picked the wrong restricted to use with Weezing

Calyrex-Riders are not affected by NGas

Which make them the perfect candidate

You’re also missing final 4 EVs on some mons

Regigigas is missing STAB, while Clefairy is too slow to actually use Encore

Alternative moveset would be After You or Heal Pulse for TR matchups.

[tepid dagger]

thx

[tepid dagger]

also since when

[mighty stump]

Since…ever?

As One isn’t affected

[tepid dagger]

why is the horse so broken😭

[mighty stump]

Uh

DLC money

Incentive

[knotty mirage]

I have question if i use trick on my choice scarf calyrex and get choice spec in return can i choose other move afterward or i will stuck at using trick ?

[mighty stump]

You can choose another move

Cause the lock only occurs after you hold an item and choose a move

[knotty mirage]

Ah alright good to know thanks for the info

[mighty stump]

went to the Pokemon centre first time ever

hehe

[tranquil kraken]

[mighty stump]

I got a Jigglypuff as well so it represents me and my partner

hehe

[tranquil kraken]

cute

[balmy glen]

which one

[plain drum]

I’m so happy for you

[polar nest]

ok, so i made this core, idk what restricted to use and idk if its good help pls! https://pokepast.es/3a14c3836aae0f28

[charred saddle]

what

cool shit tho

[polar nest]

ok i updated it, what restricted? https://pokepast.es/7f94a277f6c3849d

[solid frigate]

why did you not just build around the restricted first?

[polar nest]

because i knew i wanted serperior and i didnt know what restricted to use

also i finally using incin

[autumn vault]

Then find a restricted that synergizes well with Serp and then proceed to build around it

[polar nest]

ok

[solid frigate]

Rn Miraidon is used with Serperior before in Stockholm

[autumn vault]

Then you can start with Miraidon Serp

[polar nest]

k

but i was gonna use rilla

[polar nest]

also new mirai meta is discharge i think, right?

[solid frigate]

that literally exists in Indy-

[mighty stump]

Singapore

[polar nest]

so do i not use rilla?

[mighty stump]

idk itll be funny for this event im playing

[solid frigate]

if you use Miraidon, then no Rillaboom

[polar nest]

so which should i use? i was kinda thinking terapagos...

[autumn vault]

Trust me, rillaboom and Serp have the same type so its not worth running when you're so insistent on Serp

[polar nest]

ok

hmm now for the 6th mon

torn?

[autumn vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

WHim is better

[autumn vault]

Miraidon likes the tailwind from Tornadus

But Whim is the more used Tailwind partner for Mirai

[solid frigate]

Whim can at least do something against Raging Bolt

[polar nest]

true

[autumn vault]

I dont want to help more since you're building around the disgusting Miraidon

And i think i helped enough

[polar nest]

i like zerkrom more

and wanna use it

but id be advised against probs

[autumn vault]

I actually use it a lot

[polar nest]

zek best legend tbh

[autumn vault]

As long as the BST is not lower than 670 its fine

Which means Zekrom is fine

[polar nest]

so do i use zek?

[autumn vault]

If you want to

[polar nest]

bet

[autumn vault]

But it doesn't have great synergy with Serp

[polar nest]

also opinion on kyurem black

[autumn vault]

And you might have to start from scratch

[polar nest]

o

[solid frigate]

but i against it due to they are much harder to use

[polar nest]

):

[autumn vault]

I recommend to get some experience before playing the more niche restricteds

[polar nest]

ok

[autumn vault]

Trust me the additional experience helps

[polar nest]

so use mirai?

[autumn vault]

And Zekrom is not easy to pilot

[polar nest]

ah

[autumn vault]

Its good for beginners so sure

[polar nest]

ok

[autumn vault]

No one would advise you to stop using Zek
For a newbie there will be people that would advise to stop using Zek

[polar nest]

now for 6th mon

[autumn vault]

But i'm fine either way

[polar nest]

ok

[solid frigate]

Miraidon,Kyogre and Calyrex are more easier to pilot

While Terapagos,Zamazenta,Koraidon and Groudon are now harder

[polar nest]

i like terapagos i used him hes fun

[solid frigate]

but the teams are-

[polar nest]

yea i used him on my cere team

[autumn vault]

Me who uses 3 of the harder ones to pilot:

And Kyogre

[solid frigate]

Me who use DWN and somehow made it a Stall Team:

[polar nest]

i like dat team

[autumn vault]

Me who uses Zekrom a bunch (quite hard to pilot):

[solid frigate]

i am still trying to make it less stally

and more balance

[polar nest]

yeaa

it was kinda stally

probs better than all my teams combined tho lol

maybe i use kingambit for tr

https://pokepast.es/b577737645e69ea8 ok heres da team

[polar nest]

imma play some with it

[upbeat quail]

A choice banded scizor with technician can one shot most Caly-Ices with a single bug bite

[polar nest]

scizor good?

i luv scizor

[upbeat quail]

I’ve been using scizor a lot lately

Dragon Tera covers fire weakness.

Bullet punch can one shot a Caly shadow if they Tera fairy in front of you

[polar nest]

oh

imma build soon prob

are the kyurems good?

[ebon portal]

What is the get pvp compettitive build for miraidon?

google is not helping

I have my speed maxed out

what other stat should I put it as

[next stump]

max speed and special attack

[next stump]

pretty mid tbh, none are great

[ebon portal]

rlly?

[ebon portal]

Ty

[gentle crag]

jarnic08 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[polar nest]

ok

bruh https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2149172780

[autumn vault]

That stuff happens

Also use meta teams and later build teams with your favourites when you have more skill

Serp is not the way

[mighty stump]

@next stump Did you see what I cooked

[solid frigate]

damn i just realised Serperior's Moveset is so damn limited

[autumn vault]

Well it has to pay the price for having contrary leaf storm and glare

[polar nest]

o

[autumn vault]

Not saying it cant work

[solid frigate]

and you can't run AV cuz of Glare

[autumn vault]

It can

But not as much as meta mons

[solid frigate]

Glare is a status Move-

[autumn vault]

Ik

No shit Sherlock

[solid frigate]

Assault Vest Serperior i mean-

[autumn vault]

Ass Vest is interesting

[solid frigate]

Serperior @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Contrary
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 148 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tera Blast
• Protect
• Leaf Storm
• Glare

Idk what am i doing

[autumn vault]

You're doing something

[solid frigate]

might as well run Ogerpon if you want a Grass type on Miraidon Teams

[polar nest]

should i use this set

or just not play serp

[autumn vault]

Serp is good enough

[solid frigate]

no just use Ogerpon if you wanna use Miraidon

[polar nest]

probs not play serp

[autumn vault]

Just outclassed

But that doesn't mean its bad

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon:

[autumn vault]

I mean look at H-Arc and Landorus-Therian being outclassed by incin, they are still great despite incin existing

[polar nest]

well there was this yesterday https://pokepast.es/3ea47944000a1426

[solid frigate]

but like Serperior's Problems is that its the Movepool

The Ability saved it for being almost worthless

[autumn vault]

Pls for the love of god do not use Kilowattrel

[polar nest]

o

[autumn vault]

Serperior atleast is good enough
Kilowattrel is just straight up bad

[polar nest]

see i get confused bcuz people tell me to do different things

[autumn vault]

It happens

[autumn vault]

Just use meta teams
There you go

[polar nest]

like yesterday i was told that team was solid

[autumn vault]

And use your favourites when you have more experience

But for now, meta teams will suffice

[solid frigate]

Talonflame > Kilowatterl

In almost every situation

Sue me

[autumn vault]

And also Zapdos, Tornadus, Whimsicott, many other flying types too

[polar nest]

imma head over to rental and yoink some stuff

[solid frigate]

i just have a soft spot for Talonflame cuz i did use it before

[autumn vault]

Or look at teams that won tournaments

[solid frigate]

if you want to use Miraidon

Look on Rajan's Miraidon Team

[polar nest]

i wish my favorite didnt retire 😦 (Greninja)

[polar nest]

that is a good team

[autumn vault]

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regg/1760/Serperior this can help with teambuilding

[solid frigate]

blame gamefreak ffor putting it in the Indigo Disk Where Rillaboom already existed

but honestly

i did use Greninja with Caly Ice

But eh not my vibe

[polar nest]

i was thinking i could make it work with loaded dice

but probs not, not rn anyway

[solid frigate]

Focus Sash is the better item

[polar nest]

ok

[solid frigate]

Also i tried Fast Taunt and honestly for Lower Ladders,its decent,but might as well drop it cuz Flutter Mane existed

[autumn vault]

Also, i forgot to mention if you're going to use the rentals in #rental_teams i recommend to not use some rentals

Like Rai's teams

[polar nest]

ok

[autumn vault]

Avoid his

[polar nest]

imma use ur rain

[polar nest]

are they bad?

[autumn vault]

Specifically which one?

[autumn vault]

They seem bad

And for a beginner a good team is neccesary to use

[mighty stump]

You need to give a reason lol

[polar nest]

ok

[mighty stump]

Like

[autumn vault]

Ok, i will give my reasons why

[mighty stump]

A thorough reason

It’s not that I disagree

But I don’t really want to encourage criticising a rental without reasons why

[solid frigate]

Rai's is more off Meta which for Beginners its hard to use without further knowledge on knowing the current Meta or gamestate

[autumn vault]

1. Not great movesets
2. Doesn't explain the team
3. Questionable composition

Those are reasons why i dislike his rentals

[autumn vault]

You hit the mark very well

[solid frigate]

questionable composition is fine

[autumn vault]

But i still don't really like them

[solid frigate]

but first 2 are the red flag for newcomers to use Rental Teams

[polar nest]

im trying the team with tsareena