competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Well this fine morning I desire to give my greetings to a person who may or may not go by Tofu on the Internet

[autumn vault]

You just roasted him hard

[solid frigate]

it can use on both terrains but people use Psyspam cuz Miraidon isn't in Reg F so thats the only option

[mighty stump]

I only greet those of the same skill level

[timber falcon]

[solid frigate]

moment

[mighty stump]

Anyways gm Monke

[bold geode]

Y'know what Tofu
Sleep Powder

[mighty stump]

Well it’s late so probably

[solid frigate]

also Tacyhon Cutter Is just such a cool Move name

[autumn vault]

Dont give him PTSD Monke

[bold geode]

It's like 11 AM rn here so

[mighty stump]

I wish this chat was funnier

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/frogiese-f-it-we-ball-kitty-cat-gif-26662189

[warped mason]

Has there been any kyogres on stream?

[solid frigate]

I think the Miraidon Crown Team would be my Miraidon Team i use (Just need some edit on it so i won't fully copying it)

[bold geode]

I'm funny hehehehe
Go fuck yourself

[timber falcon]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

[bold geode]

Cuz it has shit to do

[timber falcon]

To get to the other side

[bold geode]

.....

🦗🦗🦗

[timber falcon]

No applause?

[upbeat quail]

I just wanna see a ho oh on stream

[bold geode]

Tofu do you wanna be legendary

[mighty stump]

To find better VGC players cause it didnt find any here

[bold geode]

Lmao
To find a brain cuz there wasn't one here

[mighty stump]

Maybe

It would be nice to have a spotlight moment

But not something I’m after

[upbeat quail]

Any of y’all here playing today at NAIC?

[bold geode]

My dumbass would have a spotlight moment for the wrong reasons lmao

[mighty stump]

The Yokohama jersey goes so hard though

[bold geode]

"What's your spotlight moment? Oh I lost to a fucking Lokix"

[bold geode]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[molten oasis]

Lol imagine

[next stump]

nope, I think a few of us went 6-3 and 5-4 but no one went 7-2

[molten oasis]

I went 5-4

[torn parrot]

I activate trick room on Y O U

🫵

[mighty stump]

Yea but DILLON GOT HIS WORLDS INVITE

[molten oasis]

NO WAY LETS GOO

[mighty stump]

SO CONGRATULATE DILLON

[bold geode]

He had that right?

[molten oasis]

Congrats

[bold geode]

Oh also Yotam got his too

[mighty stump]

Yotam had his before NAIC

[bold geode]

So did Dillon

[torn parrot]

Congrats to all worlds invite guys

[mighty stump]

Sk he showed up to play Day 1 and left cuz he had a wedding Day 2

[timber falcon]

Congrats to worlds invites

[bold geode]

Lol

Yeah no I think Dillon had his before Indy actually?

[mighty stump]

Oh yeah I misunderstood his NAIC tweet

Oh well

[molten oasis]

Lol

[bold geode]

Eh it happens

[molten oasis]

Still hype

[mighty stump]

Soula undefeated wtf

[bold geode]

Ah no Aurelien undefeated again?!

[torn parrot]

Oh fuck did wolfey drop out

[warped mason]

Do we have say 2 usage stats?

[mighty stump]

Btw Edu’s only loss is to Yotam

Lmao

[bold geode]

Ok so maybe this guy wasn't just lucky

[mighty stump]

Literally no one thought that

Soula tore up the EU

[bold geode]

Idk I know some of his plays in Utrecht were real questionable

Eh fuck it

[timber falcon]

What’s a smart word that relates to lacking

[torn parrot]

Where’s wolfey

[mighty stump]

Wo Chien is coming on stream

[warped mason]

Ooooo wo chien

[bold geode]

Ah Wolfe is 8-3 rn

[torn parrot]

Cool team

[timber falcon]

Wo chien = kyogre team right?

[forest arrow]

Shiliang!!!

[warped mason]

Jug jug

[torn parrot]

Did he drop out

[bold geode]

So is Arezu apparently

[foggy lodge]

Is that good or bad

[bold geode]

No he's in day 2

[mighty stump]

I guess thats why they didn’t get back to me about AV Kyogre

[solid frigate]

TANG WITH LIVE WO CHIEN REACTION

[mighty stump]

They were still using it

[torn parrot]

Phew

[forest arrow]

and Chua gonna be a great match

[mighty stump]

Interesting adaptation

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[mighty stump]

Wo-Chien was also on JPN teams

for Kyogre

No, I don’t mean PJCS

[warped mason]

Amoongus and raging bolt gonna be annoying af

[timber falcon]

also wide guard

[solid frigate]

Live Wo-Chien Reaction

[torn parrot]

That jugulis team is wacky

[warped mason]

Every time kyogre was on stream, it loses. Lets see if history repeats.

[mighty stump]

I like the logic behind ut

[torn parrot]

I’m ngl I think wolfey might be turbo fucked

[mighty stump]

Its favourable into CSR

[bold geode]

Bullshit

[mighty stump]

???

[warped mason]

Nah wo chien farms CSR

[solid frigate]

this team is so Dark Heavy but all have their own Purpose

[mighty stump]

I literally spoke to Tang about it tf you mean

[bold geode]

Jugulis failed me 😭

[mighty stump]

Yeah cause you forgot the second part

Damage trading

Dumbass

[bold geode]

And cuz of a piece of cloth

[warped mason]

Ice rider is just chilling here.

Doesn't care about the spa reduction and intimidate

[bold geode]

Chua has the copy and paste Caly I team lol

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[warped mason]

Yikes that wow

[timber falcon]

yikes that isnt good

[bold geode]

Shilliang just said "fuck it, no more healthy"

[solid frigate]

yep Paul is kinda fucked-

[timber falcon]

yeah caly aint doing shit this game 😭

[torn parrot]

I’m like

im SOOOOOO hungry

time to eat

[warped mason]

He just light screen thunders here right?

[bold geode]

The only two things Paul has going rn is the fact he has 2 other mons and that he has Wide Guard for Kyogre

[solid frigate]

that did nothing basically-

[warped mason]

WO CHIENNNN

[timber falcon]

LET HIM COOK

[warped mason]

https://tenor.com/view/チオンジェン-wo-chien-doubt-squint-squints-gif-7134518064446479628

[solid frigate]

LIVE WO CHIEN REACTION

[timber falcon]

confusion

[bold geode]

Man just fuck Calyrex Ice Rider huh lmao

[torn parrot]

AYO THAT HURRICANE DID NOTHING

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

AV

[solid frigate]

the Lance does nothing to Wo Chien as well

[forest arrow]

This kyogre team is beautiful

[bold geode]

CIR is getting bullied lol

[torn parrot]

Oh I see nvm

[warped mason]

Hahaha

[mighty stump]

Wo Chien is faster than Kyo

Interesting

[forest arrow]

pollen puff water spouts?

[bold geode]

Would that take a lot of speed investment or?

[timber falcon]

bro that CIR gotta call a bullying hotline wtf

[solid frigate]

Honestly It makes sense that Tang is so good with Kyogre,He has used since the very Beginning of Reg G

[warped mason]

Does wo chien reduce attack or spa

[bold geode]

Attack

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1001: Wo-Chien

Types

Dark/Grass

Abilities

Tablets of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/85/100/95/135/70

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[bold geode]

So burn mitigation+ Reflect + Tablets drop and CIR can't do shit rn lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[warped mason]

Wo chien is putting in all the work holy

[solid frigate]

the Wo-Chien is just torturing Caly Ice is so damn Hilarious

[mighty stump]

Oh that is an unlcuky confusion

[timber falcon]

oh that wo chien is speed invested?

[torn parrot]

The damage reduction on this team is crazay

[mighty stump]

That would have been a full HP Water Spout

[torn parrot]

Like dayum

[mighty stump]

I see now

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
How much do it matter rn lol

[warped mason]

How does tang lose this

[torn parrot]

OMG THIS IS A STALL TEAM

https://tenor.com/view/anime-mind-blow-mind-blown-gif-11942940

[solid frigate]

Kyogre Stall-

i wanna die-

[timber falcon]

kyogre stall would make me so angry to go against

[warped mason]

This is peak ngl

[bold geode]

Idk if it's exactly stall lol

[timber falcon]

well its one of those "kill me if you can" teams

[solid frigate]

i mean Shiliang at least used Kyogre since the Very Beginning of Reg G so i guess he's Valid to use this

[mighty stump]

Its not exactly Stall lol

[bold geode]

Yeah
Just making Kyogre hard to remove
Protect the Queen at most, which honestly
Not bad in this format sometimes

[warped mason]

My god wo chien ate that

LOOOOOL

[mighty stump]

HUGE FREEZE LOL

[solid frigate]

welp

[bold geode]

Bruh

[torn parrot]

I’m delayed by like 5 seconds

[solid frigate]

Game 2

[timber falcon]

3 different status conditions in 1 match

[solid frigate]

CybertronVGC:

[torn parrot]

THAT CLOSE COMBAT DID NOTHING

[solid frigate]

oml the CC does nothing-

[torn parrot]

that guy is so bulky….

[warped mason]

Wo chien got that dawg in him

[torn parrot]

Wo chein ain’t even AROUND

😳

[polar canyon]

Is a big thing happening rn

[solid frigate]

this is so damn Hard for Paul

[warped mason]

Wow incin pretty strong into caly ice

[solid frigate]

that has been a thing

[bold geode]

It's weird cuz like
You want to tera to dodge burn, but you also don't want to tera cuz then Kyogre hits for SE

[bold geode]

NAIC

[polar canyon]

Dang time to start watching

Just woke up

[torn parrot]

It’s almost lunch time

[bold geode]

Honestly you can probably tera Caly Ice, but you HAVE to keep Peli alive if you do that

[timber falcon]

is wolfe still in it?

[torn parrot]

I have no idea

But I think he’s done for

guy is one loss away from oblivion, but he had a good run

[solid frigate]

Shiliang Tang's Team is basically Anti Calyrex Team-

[timber falcon]

hes using csr right?

[torn parrot]

What’s csr

[solid frigate]

yeah with some changes

[warped mason]

Both caly's

[craggy dagger]

both or just cir?

[solid frigate]

Both

[timber falcon]

caly-shador rider

[torn parrot]

Oh yeah

[bold geode]

Caly Shadow

[torn parrot]

He is

[solid frigate]

Quad Dark Types,Bro Walls the Caly I

[bold geode]

Yeah Wolfe's team is fuckin wonky

[willow vault]

4 dark types? Which 4?

[torn parrot]

Honestly the only thing unusual is the room service

[solid frigate]

Juglius,Wo-Chien,Incin and Grimm

[willow vault]

Huh

[solid frigate]

with Kyogre-

[willow vault]

Interesting

[solid frigate]

yep its a Anti Calyrex Team

[willow vault]

I can see that

[solid frigate]

bro hates the Honse more than the Population of Switzerland-

[craggy dagger]

[warped mason]

WOW

[solid frigate]

I'm insanely Shocked as well,it walls them So well-

[warped mason]

That did nothing lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/LexiconVGC/status/1799451463917138226?t=0CjJR0gIxZeQ80unut4PWg&s=19

Alex Underhill (@LexiconVGC) on X

I JUST BEAT WOLFE WITH ELECTABUZZ

Twitter · Jun 8, 2024, 2:40 PM

[mighty stump]

INCREDIBLE PLAY

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[solid frigate]

AV Kyogre moment

[willow vault]

What about the miraidon matchup?

[bold geode]

Oof

[solid frigate]

Miraidon won

[warped mason]

He made him scoop lmaooo

He said nah fuck this stall

[solid frigate]

This Wall-

[torn parrot]

I wanna see one more wolfey game before oblivion

[warped mason]

They better make paradox mons available in the next games

[solid frigate]

if he paired with Shiliang then its over for Wolfey

[warped mason]

I wanna keep using jug kyogre

[polar canyon]

They're so gonna be treated like ultra beasts

Sometimes in the post game

When the devs can think of an excuse

[torn parrot]

Awwww sad

It’s not lookin good for worlds wolfey either

But maybe he’ll pull something out

Of his ass

[polar canyon]

[solid frigate]

the Kyogre is Anti Calyrex for sure and heck,Its Anti Everything almost

[polar canyon]

Hopefully not

[warped mason]

Raging bolt not doing even half with booster spa, tera electric, and thunderbolt is insanity.

[covert moon]

wo chien supremacy

[warped mason]

Gigachad tang

[covert moon]

im hoping a wo chien team wins naic

[solid frigate]

Shiliang Tang

Aka

The No.1 Calyrex Hater

[covert moon]

i really hate calyrex

[torn parrot]

I gotta see his team

Oh

This is him lol

[warped mason]

Moxie is jumping rn

[torn parrot]

I just realized this man is almost running mono dark 💀

Holy fuck he really is a caly hater

[warped mason]

Helps that flutter is dropping in usage

[torn parrot]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes this whole tournament tbh

Just cus of how scary that team is

[molten oasis]

[warped mason]

I would love for wo chien and kyogre to win the whole thing

Beat the mid allegations

[solid frigate]

i don't want to deal with this Team in Ladder or stuff-

[solid frigate]

Kyogre already did

[molten oasis]

Kyogre good

Is that what’s on stream?

[torn parrot]

Too late get ready for it

[molten oasis]

What team?

[warped mason]

Yea, it's been getting top 8 in like every championship recently

[torn parrot]

Bet it’s on ladder rn

[bold geode]

Shilliang was on stream, he won

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-sus-among-us-among-us-sus-gif-23479617

[molten oasis]

???

[warped mason]

Wo chien kyogre was on stream

[molten oasis]

Oh that stuff

[solid frigate]

Wo-Chien,Kyogre,Incineroar and Grimmsnarl

[molten oasis]

I might check it out myself looks interesting

[covert moon]

av kyogre and screens grimmsnarl

[torn parrot]

Shilliang is in this server?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/weegeepie-luigi-oh-hell-no-garrys-mod-ragdoll-gif-5306608774005028032

Me rn

welp,Another Problem,Have to find a way to counter this shit

[warped mason]

Making wo chien specifically outspeed kyogre to get the pollen puff out before a water spout is smart.

[bold geode]

No lol

[solid frigate]

yep

[torn parrot]

I forgot how fast wo chein is

[solid frigate]

probably barely outspeed it

[torn parrot]

Guy ran

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1001: Wo-Chien

Types

Dark/Grass

Abilities

Tablets of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/85/100/95/135/70

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[torn parrot]

GUY RAN FOUR DARK TYPES

[covert moon]

base 70 speed

and it cant get taunted by torn

[torn parrot]

He’s really taking advantage of no fairy type restricted

[covert moon]

did zacian make it to day two?

[solid frigate]

Xerneas: why did i take vacation this generation

[torn parrot]

Wait yeah zacian

[next stump]

ye I think there were a few

[solid frigate]

but Play Rough can miss-

[torn parrot]

Ah yes the legendary play miss

[covert moon]

tablets of ruin

intimidate

wil o wisp

[solid frigate]

I miss Xerneas in that Matchup-

[warped mason]

How do u guys think miraidon does into that kyogre team

[covert moon]

kyogres gonna be forced to tera grass

[warped mason]

Yea

[covert moon]

most of his team is support

[solid frigate]

force Tera is good

you got the information you need

[torn parrot]

I hope by some crazy luck we can see wolfey play

[covert moon]

hopefully

[solid frigate]

why do i miss Xerneas in this

[covert moon]

i miss funny geomancy shenanigans

[warped mason]

I think kyogre is gonna be able to eat hits in that mu with av tera grass screens

[solid frigate]

no its positive against the MU but its not gonna be certain

[covert moon]

live chien pao reaction:

[torn parrot]

How many more rounds till top 8

[warped mason]

Do miraidon teams even play chien pao?

[solid frigate]

no

at least to my knowledge

[covert moon]

i dont think so

does rillaboom even run u turn anymore?

[warped mason]

I think it does

[solid frigate]

still runs that

but many people think of HH

[torn parrot]

Cmon gimme some of that wolfey action

[solid frigate]

scary moment

[smoky hawk]

Ditto top 12

[mighty stump]

FWGE really just the superior types huh

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[torn parrot]

Shit is hilarious to me

[mighty stump]

My partner saw Incineroar for the first time through the spotlight and said “why is it ugly I hate it”

She has no prior Pokemon experience

[bold geode]

HEY
I mean it ain't pretty either

[timber falcon]

incin has a neat design though

[bold geode]

Actually
Build a team with Pokemon your partner think are pretty

[mighty stump]

No

Maybe

[bold geode]

Lol

[timber falcon]

i think its a great idea

[bold geode]

Better hope they like a restricted Tofu

[polar canyon]

Is urshifu pretty?

[warped mason]

Wolfe probably got knocked out by tangogre

[polar canyon]

Tangela kyogre

Electabuzz‼️‼️🔥

[bold geode]

UH OH

[covert moon]

TYRANITARRRRR

[bold geode]

ZAMA TTAR

[covert moon]

YIPPEE

[warped mason]

This team is so based

[bold geode]

A concept I had before lol

[autumn vault]

Wait WHAT?!

[covert moon]

my third favorite pokemon in day two

lets gooo

[autumn vault]

I'm hopping on again just to see that

[mighty stump]

HAHA

SHE PICKED ZACIAN

ALHAMDULILLAH

[warped mason]

APE

[polar canyon]

The sash ttar

[bold geode]

LMAO
Welp at least it wasn't Cosmog or some shit

[warped mason]

Buzz

[covert moon]

electabuzz?!

im loving these picks

[autumn vault]

Very interesting

[polar canyon]

Eviolite follow me is real

[covert moon]

why didnt he use magmar tho

it has flame body

[polar canyon]

Spore immunity

[bold geode]

Win Michael
Not cuz Zamazenta
But because Alex is running Smeargle

[autumn vault]

Probably because the electric type is more important on the team, also static can be a small way of speed control

[polar canyon]

Vital spirit

[covert moon]

oh yeah

[autumn vault]

And they both get Vital Spirit which can be the reason

[polar canyon]

No look at the ability

[bold geode]

Actually Ape can be good AF here for Alex maybe

Zamazenta don't like Ape either

[mighty stump]

The Weezing plush is so pog

Ultra based

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 125: Electabuzz

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/83/57/95/85/105

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

It's also faster than magmar

[covert moon]

doesn't it wall miraidon too?

[autumn vault]

The electric STAB? Yes

Magmar doesn't

[warped mason]

Go goltres

[mighty stump]

Walls have to actually be able to do something back to what theyre walling

[covert moon]

turn one tera ghost?

[warped mason]

Reading the fake out

[covert moon]

oh yeah

i didnt see smeargles set

[polar canyon]

The usual

[bold geode]

Ape can do shit against Zama too

[polar canyon]

Fake out spore stuff

[covert moon]

nice read

[foggy lodge]

Noooo the miss

[solid frigate]

wait a darn Minute

[covert moon]

NOOOO

[warped mason]

Uh oh

[covert moon]

it missed calyrex 😦

[solid frigate]

did i saw the T-tar

isn't T-Tar slow as well

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 248: Tyranitar

Types

Rock/Dark

Abilities

Sand Stream, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/134/110/95/100/61

Total

600

Other Formes

Tyranitar-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[covert moon]

its naturaly faster than calyrex ice i think

[polar canyon]

Not slower than these

[solid frigate]

welp-

[covert moon]

rock slide would have been great chip

[rustic mountain]

damnthat miss

[covert moon]

did ursaluna try to predict the switch?

[rustic mountain]

it was covering for one yea

[warped mason]

Would stone edge have killed?

[covert moon]

definitely

[rustic mountain]

rip moltres

[covert moon]

if it hit the first rock slide calyrex would have been ko'd

[polar canyon]

Absolutely

[covert moon]

trick room should be going away next turn i think

or two turns

[warped mason]

I think he should have went for that then over the 2nd rock slide

[covert moon]

stone edge would have most likely missed

[polar canyon]

40 acc move

[warped mason]

True

[covert moon]

oh he brought electabuzz

[polar canyon]

That protect was crazy

[rustic mountain]

wow

[covert moon]

i was definetly expecting annihilape

[rustic mountain]

super good read to predict alex predicting the protect

[balmy glen]

Best friend team kill on stream is insane

[mighty stump]

This is what she picked

Chat am I doomed

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

You got this fam

[balmy glen]

What is this for

[solid frigate]

well i mean some of them works

[polar canyon]

Howl scream tail and zacian go

[mighty stump]

Build a team with Pokemon my gf finds cute/pretty

[balmy glen]

I can see it working actually

[mighty stump]

I can make this work

[covert moon]

zamazenta wins the 1v1

[covert moon]

u cooked

[polar canyon]

Barely I'd imagine

[warped mason]

Shiny goltres looks good

[timber falcon]

well that was fast

[rustic mountain]

lol

[covert moon]

lol

[bold geode]

Lol

[polar canyon]

lol

[autumn vault]

Found a very similar team except the incin was an Urshifu

[warped mason]

Tbf that team was going around like a few months ago

[autumn vault]

The Wo-Chiens are spawning

[balmy glen]

I’ve been facing that on high ladder for like a week and a half now

[rustic mountain]

all three galarian birds have great shinies

[balmy glen]

I was facing the tangs non stop

[rustic mountain]

oof lol

[bold geode]

Lmao

[balmy glen]

Like actually lol

[mighty stump]

Pachirisu has left the chat she picked Glaceon

[rustic mountain]

u running the same team esm is using rn?

[polar canyon]

There's the stone edge this time

[covert moon]

hes going for the stone edge

[balmy glen]

No i ran Morison

[covert moon]

i dont think smeargle is going to fake out

[bold geode]

Keanu just goes to them like "can we just run sets at this point"

[balmy glen]

Koraidon aka Bike Tyson

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[polar canyon]

I see follow me coming

[mighty stump]

This just looks like what JPN was running except they had CM Kyogre instead

[polar canyon]

Ooh

[solid frigate]

well shi-

[covert moon]

oh he faked out the goltres

[bold geode]

Ok Bike Tyson is now the best name for Koraidon

[rustic mountain]

how u been liking koraidon, i could not make it work early reg g lol

[balmy glen]

I wanted to try something new and see my skill as a player then faced 5 Kyogres LOL

[covert moon]

STONE EDGE HIT?!

[polar canyon]

Adaptation is the name of the game

[balmy glen]

It’s really good I think I had the best Koraidon team

[rustic mountain]

nice

[covert moon]

rock slide next

[balmy glen]

I just got unlucky and faced 5 kyogres to eliminate me from day 2

[polar canyon]

Wonder if that smeargle is min speed for tr

[balmy glen]

went 6-3

[rustic mountain]

ahhh shit that sucks sorry man

6-3 still solid tho

[covert moon]

damn

[balmy glen]

Other than that I think Koraidon is nice atm

[rustic mountain]

fair

[balmy glen]

I’ll be grinding to see what I want to use at worlds though

[polar canyon]

Gonna be crazy in this chat when you win worlds

[warped mason]

Fuck smergle

[covert moon]

BRUH

[balmy glen]

If your going to run Koraidon you need to have either U turn Koraidon or Volt Switch Raging bolt so you can pivot weathers I will say if your planning on using it @rustic mountain

[covert moon]

nice protect though

[solid frigate]

fuck the smeragle

mf i wanna punt that shi

[polar canyon]

I'd sac goltres there I think

[balmy glen]

I went with Volt bolt

[rustic mountain]

yea i think that was one of my mistakes not having either

[bold geode]

Koraidon has U Turn?

[covert moon]

caly gonna go down next turn

[rustic mountain]

nd the team was just ass cheeks

[dapper crag]

Koraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Collision Course, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Drain Punch, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Outrage, Reversal, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Fang, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Koraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[bold geode]

Oh shit

[rustic mountain]

dude

[bold geode]

That's actually a good move for it

[rustic mountain]

where u been, ppl were doing scarf/band u turn for a little

[covert moon]

oh shit

[bold geode]

I never saw it lmao

[warped mason]

Lets goooo

[rustic mountain]

it was niche and early reg g but yea

[covert moon]

YES

[balmy glen]

Scarf band korai is so bad

[timber falcon]

light work

[bold geode]

They always just Collision Course'd or Flare Blitzed

[covert moon]

lmao

[rustic mountain]

hence ppl stopped running it

[solid frigate]

honestly its a good trade

[rustic mountain]

i was just saying u turn has been around for it

[covert moon]

i thought korai would be nonexistant because of zacian, caly, and flutter mane

[balmy glen]

Welcome to Tera

[solid frigate]

losing Zama in return of opponent Losing Caly I and SMeragle

[bold geode]

Oh no
Koraidon is amazing

[rustic mountain]

tera, ur own speed control and zacian not being good all make it not as much of an issue

[bold geode]

It got 3rd in LA

[covert moon]

ah

[bold geode]

And 11th

[rustic mountain]

im aware

[bold geode]

Actually the Zacian Umbreon shit was cool

[covert moon]

tyranitar the goat

[warped mason]

T tar stayed on the field the whole game

Gigachad

[balmy glen]

My friend had the most fun zacian team with mist suicune at LA

[rustic mountain]

i jus am not a zacian believer in single restricted

but kudos to ppl making it work

[bold geode]

Your friend was the Mist Zacian team? I was wondering who was running that lol

[polar canyon]

That sounds funny

[balmy glen]

Ye, he’s a DOU west guy

[covert moon]

lol

isnt there only like one lunala team in day two?

[balmy glen]

Michael Zhang, Me, Ben Fitcroft aka Mist Zacian team we are all on the same team on showdown for DOU

[polar canyon]

That sounds cool

[rustic mountain]

nah i think atleast a few

[bold geode]

Ah

[polar canyon]

Was there a dou thing?

[balmy glen]

Wdym DOU thing

Tbh DOU builders we get cracked when we go to vgc

[rustic mountain]

hes jus saying they all were using the same team in dou

[bold geode]

Oh ain't DOU a Smogon tier?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[balmy glen]

Nah like we are all friends on the same DOU team

[bold geode]

Ah

[balmy glen]

not using same team

[rustic mountain]

oh idk wat dou team is then

like a team league?

[balmy glen]

DOU west is a team for world cup which is what we’re on together every year, yes

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[torn parrot]

How many more till top 8?

[bold geode]

Yeah that just looked funny though

[rustic mountain]

1 or 2 i think

[torn parrot]

Nice nice thanks

I think wolfey is out right I havnt seen him around in a while

[rustic mountain]

not sure

[covert moon]

i have no clue

[balmy glen]

He’s pretty much out for top 8

[polar canyon]

I love how teams go wild on big tournaments like goltres and electabuzz

[covert moon]

i love when niche picks make it far in tournaments

[rustic mountain]

restricted formats def give way to mons that might otherwise not have a place

[charred saddle]

is there any reason to use fire rather than steel?

[rustic mountain]

umbreon, ditto etc

[charred saddle]

i mean beside not SE to fighting, but then it opens up to water

[mighty stump]

Reg G: be very diverse
Casual players: LEGEND SPAMMERS BAD ALWAYS SAME POKEMON BRRRR

[polar canyon]

Ditto just makes sense now

[autumn vault]

Double rock stab tyranitar
Sash tyranitar
Double speed control flutter mane
no ID Zamazenta
He knew what he was doing with that team

[rustic mountain]

i think reg g specifically has really rewarded innovation moreso then past sv formats

[timber falcon]

bro that wo chien team is bodying me

[mighty stump]

You can just ask the literal builder that’s in this channel

[covert moon]

probably for caly ice

[charred saddle]

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-urge-resist-cat-gif-25536160

[charred saddle]

caly uses lance + HH

[mighty stump]

CC

[charred saddle]

which both fire and steel are resist

[timber falcon]

i forfeit, i cant kill it

[patent marsh]

I want another ditto stream game like yesterday's miraidon to happen tbh that was very fun to watch

[timber falcon]

it keeps regening itself and its partners

[charred saddle]

yeah it was in my head that to avoid fighting

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/toyota-lemans-throw-gif-1800602168180725062

[solid frigate]

honestly just tell them Skill Issue

[charred saddle]

just wanna see if theres any other reason for it since both looks nice, but like steel resists more

[covert moon]

wait wouldn't ditto let you check the evs of the pokemon u transformed into

[charred saddle]

steel resists dragon but not fire

like thats also one of the point that im also thinking around

[polar canyon]

Latios is also wild to see

[solid frigate]

its funny that my Past Friends are feared about Urshifu

But they forgot this boi

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5/ragingbolt.png

[forest arrow]

Latios already won a regional it’s been around

[balmy glen]

Latios has 3 top 8’s

[rustic mountain]

still very cool

[balmy glen]

Including mine muhahahaa

[timber falcon]

how do i kill wo-chien

[forest arrow]

Haha goated

[charred saddle]

pog

[forest arrow]

Hey Keanu

[covert moon]

bug move

[balmy glen]

Latios is so good though ngl

[timber falcon]

i hate that team already

[rustic mountain]

shouting out the shiny g moltres, real

[timber falcon]

tera posion version i should specify

[rustic mountain]

"i wanted to use the shiny, thats where it started"

[covert moon]

ur cooked

[rustic mountain]

esm is based lmao

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

Run Ground or psychic moves then

Run a bug and ground move and you cook Wo-Chien

[timber falcon]

maybe i should yawn it

[bold geode]

"I want to look cool"

[polar canyon]

You play lunala don't you?

[forest arrow]

Mood lol

[polar canyon]

Moonblast and expanding force for tera poison

[rustic mountain]

the difference b/w him and the average vgc player is he can do that and actually do well still

[bold geode]

Yeah lmao

[timber falcon]

its cm set right now

[covert moon]

i want someone to use a full shiny team so we can get a shiny pokemon distribution

[polar canyon]

I wanna be like him when I grow up

[rustic mountain]

lol

[balmy glen]

That’s what happened when I was originally trying to figure out my restricted

[forest arrow]

The ttar is back lol gotta love it

[covert moon]

bring back pursuit 😭

[charred saddle]

i was just watching the replays, but michael zhang missing the first rock slide hurts a lot

damn

[rustic mountain]

haha u had shiny zama? or like just before all that

[covert moon]

almost sold him the game

[polar canyon]

The game is gonna feel so weird next gen when there's no tera

[balmy glen]

Ye I had shiny Zama lol

I don’t have shiny Zacian

[rustic mountain]

nice its a great shiny

[bold geode]

I had to get shiny Zamazenta

[charred saddle]

both doggos had a nice shiny

[rustic mountain]

i got 2 of each

[polar canyon]

I only got zama too

[charred saddle]

[bold geode]

I didn't have either

[rustic mountain]

damn

[charred saddle]

jokes aside, im ready to make a whole lot of NSO to get both shiny raidons

[covert moon]

i missed the marshadow event 😦

[forest arrow]

I have shiny Groudon still haven’t done a Groudon team yet but Precimiss blades lol

[rustic mountain]

they really shouldve made em huntable in dlc2

[balmy glen]

I don’t like shiny Zacian tbh

[rustic mountain]

oh really? i love it

[solid frigate]

i probably need to get the doggos

[bold geode]

Me neither
I think regular Zacian looke better

[charred saddle]

eh why, the blue is nice

[rustic mountain]

yea i like the blue

[solid frigate]

like i wanna try Zacian but Zamazenta is not my cup of Tea

[bold geode]

Like I also think regular Incineroar looks better than shiny Incin

[rustic mountain]

yea ive heard that before

[polar canyon]

Well then use zacian and not zamazenta

[charred saddle]

nono monke, ur taste is shite

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[covert moon]

lol

[bold geode]

You're shite

[forest arrow]

I agree big time with this statement

[polar canyon]

Sometimes the point is that it's rare more than it looking better

[rustic mountain]

^

[polar canyon]

Like shiny dragonite

[solid frigate]

i don't have Zacian in my save file due to i skipped Gen 8

[rustic mountain]

all about the flex

[polar canyon]

Shiny dragonite is ugly

[solid frigate]

wtf happened to the shiny fr

[forest arrow]

Eh I’ve grown to love the green with purple wings

[rustic mountain]

shiny dnite is fire

looks like a cool fantasy dragon

[covert moon]

i wish it was still pink

[polar canyon]

Shiny dragonite has the wrong shade of green

[forest arrow]

Reminds me of Dragon Tails

[rustic mountain]

dude

[polar canyon]

It's not cool dragon green it's gross green

[charred saddle]

imagine bringing 1/1000 shinies winning regionals

[rustic mountain]

yes

[charred saddle]

gyatt dayum

[rustic mountain]

throwdat gets it

[forest arrow]

Childhood memory unlocked lol

[rustic mountain]

nah ive been saying that haha funny to see some1 else peep it too

[forest arrow]

Yeah I’ve always made that connection I think it’s a great shiny

[rustic mountain]

yea

[forest arrow]

I can admit I didn’t like it when I was younger but I’ve grown to love it lol

[rustic mountain]

i didnt even know about shinies wen i was younger

outside like red gyrados

[forest arrow]

I only knew because in crystal we got the odd egg

And I ended up with a blue hitmonchan

[rustic mountain]

nice

[patent marsh]

I only like shiny zamazenta in it's normal form idk why but hero form looks weird 😭

[polar canyon]

My first contact to a shiny was watching a pokemon x let's play when I was little

[polar canyon]

And I kid you not the shiny was the one from the catching tutorial the rival catches

[rustic mountain]

my first shiny outside the story red gyrados was shiny appletun in a raid in swsh (encountered it solo)

[forest arrow]

yeah that’s my first shiny before the red gyarados, I remember seeing a grey tyrogue and thinking my game was broken lol

[rustic mountain]

haha

[charred saddle]

"damn my game's bugging out"

[rustic mountain]

reset

[charred saddle]

then reset

then look gamefaq, then cry

[forest arrow]

I kept it tho cause it looked cool 🤣 ended up paying off🤣

[polar canyon]

My first shiny was only years after I got into pokemon

[rustic mountain]

frfr

u still have it?

[polar canyon]

It was a blue nosed alolan dugtrio

[forest arrow]

Nah it was on my cartridge as a kid :/

[rustic mountain]

fair

[smoky hawk]

Michael Zhang & Alex Underhill both go to my locals about an hour from me. Haven't seen em in a while because I've been out of the scene

[forest arrow]

stupidly sold my Pokémon stuff when I was younger then I got a little older and started collecting again, I’ll never make that mistake, i still have my original fire red tho

and my GameCube with Pokemon XD

[rustic mountain]

yea they are both seattle area no?

[polar canyon]

Maybe you only get better at vgc if you're old fr

[rustic mountain]

bruh same

[bold geode]

Throw it's time to be legendary

[polar canyon]

My first game was gen 6

[rustic mountain]

i have a few games left and my ds but yea

[patent marsh]

I still have all of mine

[rustic mountain]

fire red/heart gold and black version remained

[forest arrow]

You are a legend I wish I kept all mine

[patent marsh]

but that's more

[bold geode]

He is legendary

[patent marsh]

I just keep everything I own 💀

[forest arrow]

fire red and XD are my remaining originals

[patent marsh]

I still have my v1 switch and the original oled switch

[polar canyon]

I like the trophy of pikachu holding a trophy

[forest arrow]

I have all the others again but they aren’t my first

[rustic mountain]

i never played xd, colosseum was fire tho

[forest arrow]

Colosseum fire as well, amazing series wish we got remakes or something of those games

[rustic mountain]

yea

idk y they cant just port em

[forest arrow]

they would make so much green lol

[rustic mountain]

trilogy has no chance but atleast port em

wouldve loved a 3rd installment

[forest arrow]

I think XD and Colosseum are my most played pokemon games

[charred saddle]

damn tyranitar is so strong

[lofty tartan]

I glance in here and see people trash talking shiny Dragonite? The hell.

[forest arrow]

Right???

[polar canyon]

Ugly shade of green

[rustic mountain]

speaking of shinies, xd and colesseum had some really good ones

[charred saddle]

i dont coughc cough like it either

[forest arrow]

Oh true! Gardevoir was purple!

[lofty tartan]

So is your mother D:

[forest arrow]

was so cool to see different Shinies

[charred saddle]

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[rustic mountain]

there was quite a few different shinies in those games never to be seen again

[charred saddle]

HOLY FUCK

[polar canyon]

My mother has the just right shade of green

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-mic-drop-gif-15576715626238503011

[patent marsh]

maybe they should make new evo for dragoniar that splits off and retains the dragonair look and colours feel like that will make everyone happy about the line's shinies

I think dragonite would've looked a lot better in SV if did have a darker green though

the pale green doesn't look very nice in SV

[charred saddle]

ah true

[rustic mountain]

i like it

[charred saddle]

some shinies get a really nice colour in SV like scizor

the green get some shines its good

[rustic mountain]

the green get some shinies?

[patent marsh]

like it was darker

[lofty tartan]

We don't get enough green, blue, purple, OR pink shinies.

[forest arrow]

Then they give us shit like Miraidon and all the other Violet paradox’s

[charred saddle]

like light reflection thingy

[polar canyon]

What but shiny miraidon is fire

[lofty tartan]

I mean I like chrome Miraidon.

[polar canyon]

Just unobtainable

[lofty tartan]

MY BODY IS CHROME, MY BLOOD IS GASOLINE

[patent marsh]

dragonite's shiny just suffers from 3d pokemon having very washed out colours

[polar canyon]

Oh yeah the one that's fire is koraidon I forgot

[forest arrow]

Someone made it black like Korai and I’m just biased to it haha

[lofty tartan]

The textures in SV on the models are so good. Makes several shinies better than they were.

[forest arrow]

it just feels copy pasted

[charred saddle]

this

[lofty tartan]

^

[patent marsh]

yea the metalic look

[forest arrow]

That’s dope

[charred saddle]

i really like like the highlights

[patent marsh]

magnezone also got it

[rustic mountain]

scizor jus a cool ass mon

[polar canyon]

Hey if there's shiny distributions it's probably koraidon for Violet and miraidon for scarlet so finally a violet w

[forest arrow]

Things like Mamo and Ursa got cool textures for their fur too

[rustic mountain]

it was yellow shiny in colosseum iirc

[charred saddle]

true tho

[solid frigate]

tortol

[forest arrow]

Goated shiny

[rustic mountain]

violet always has common w's, but in this case miraidon is better

[timber falcon]

how come shinies changed?

[rustic mountain]

different development team

[forest arrow]

Yellow was so good on it, if it was yellow with SV textures it’d look gold

[rustic mountain]

wasnt a gf game

[polar canyon]

That tells a lot about you

[icy vale]

Shinies with Colo and XD for some Pokémon had different shinies. And some were the same

[timber falcon]

[rustic mountain]

they wound up absorbing genius sonority (the company) and guys like james turner went on to design quite a few mons and shinies

[patent marsh]

gotta spend my money somewhere :crying:

[timber falcon]

oh thats interesting

[forest arrow]

Or if you have both just get both

[pallid hare]

actually, Genius Sonority still exists, they're behind Cafe Remix

[patent marsh]

wait til you see my steam library of just unplayed games 😭

or the physical games for consoles I played like 5 minutes of and never touched ever again

[charred saddle]

[forest arrow]

Genius Sonority you will be missed thanks for my fav spin offs

[rustic mountain]

oh really? i always assumed it dissolved wen a handful of the dev team jumped ship, thanks for clarifying

[gentle crag]

treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to burnttoaster42

[forest arrow]

Oh that’s cool, now make a third shadow pokemon game XD

[pallid hare]

no, TPC kept them around as a puzzle game developer, they also made the Trozei games

[rustic mountain]

maybe a 3rd installment is still possible then

puzzle games wtf

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah Pokémon trozei

[pallid hare]

TPC has no interest in continung the Stadium games wholesale, and Genius Sonority is largely a puzzle game dev, so a new Orre game is very unlikely

[rustic mountain]

make some of the best spin off pokemon games to date, yes lets relegate them to puzzle games

[icy vale]

Genius sonority also developed Pokémon shuffle, so they're most times just doing mobile games nowadays

[polar canyon]

Maybe if the next colosseum is a puzzle game

[rustic mountain]

[pallid hare]

the Orre duology at this point is just a weird mark in Pokemon's history, and honestly wasn't even that fun in practice looking back

[rustic mountain]

dont specify romhacks plz

[forest arrow]

sorry

[rustic mountain]

all good

[patent marsh]

oh right

[polar canyon]

The support koraidon

[patent marsh]

shouldn't we be having a nintendog direct soon for like the rest of the games for switch then dry until the next gen console announcement

[rustic mountain]

the games were grindy but they were the first to really break that mold of the usual pokemon game effectively

[forest arrow]

Doubles the whole way through is what pulled me in

[rustic mountain]

i have fond memories even if it ended in my gamecube cutting power as soon as i beat the final boss

[forest arrow]

I replayed it a lot, idk I enjoyed them

[polar canyon]

Have we seen any terapagos today?

[rustic mountain]

its similar w/ pla/ ppl enjoyed it for those same reasons even w/ its flaws

[pallid hare]

I kinda disagree, I found the attempts to try to break the mold more a hassle to contend with than how the mainline games handled their usual mold, which is funny since I did also grow up on this game as well

[icy vale]

People who shiny hunt the shadow pokemon honestly have a lot of determination since they have to keep doing that first battle over and over again

[pallid hare]

that sounds like the worst shiny hunting possible

[foggy lodge]

Giga Impact Entei what the fuck

[patent marsh]

we're so barack

[rustic mountain]

i mean fair enough to each their own. did u like pla?

[rustic mountain]

u just like pain at that point

[polar canyon]

Cody's team looks pretty cool

[icy vale]

Yeah if it's shiny is determined on the first battle, so you need to save before doing the battle. Repeatedly do the battle catching the shadow each time to see if it's shiny and it's 1/8192 odds each time

[pallid hare]

I found it better than colosseum/XD just because it mosty did its thing that mostly worked while colo/XDs adaptations to the game made the game more frustrating than enjoyable

[rustic mountain]

old odds are beyond insane

[rustic mountain]

yea was jus wondering not that they are 1:1 but i found ppl echoing the same sentiment u had of colo/xd w/ pla

[charred saddle]

while SV shiny hunters be like "bro ive been using 3 sandwiches and theres no shiny"

[foggy lodge]

WHAT THE FUCK

[polar canyon]

Huge

[charred saddle]

holy guc

[molten oasis]

This is uh, yikes

[charred saddle]

HH in sun heatwave ohko caly

what in the fuck

[polar canyon]

Surprised?

[solid frigate]

I'm Sorry

[foggy lodge]

75% to a AV Iron Hands???

[charred saddle]

fucking insane

[rustic mountain]

insert chi yu meme here

[solid frigate]

KORAIDON HELPING HAND???

[rustic mountain]

do either of these guys have a chance at top 8?

[charred saddle]

damn people will look at chiyu differently after this i think

[foggy lodge]

Click Tera Fire Chi-Yu

[molten oasis]

That is so much pressure on the board

[foggy lodge]

Click it

[polar canyon]

Collision course on hands?

[solid frigate]

My Brain:

[rustic mountain]

if u slept on chi yu thats on u, its been on plenty of team comps, notably terapagos

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu tanked it well to be at -1

[solid frigate]

But like Helping Hand Koraidon is something new-

[charred saddle]

ik, i mean as in a main damage source + HH support

[real prism]

um can a pyshical sweeping frosmoth take out dragonite? or other flying dragon types

[charred saddle]

since cody basically got a very easy going game with 1 heatwave

[real prism]

ive had it happen a couple times

[foggy lodge]

Great Koraidon build

[polar canyon]

135 spatk + sun it's no surprise it hits like a truck

[foggy lodge]

Koraidon best support lmao

[solid frigate]

thats something new

[charred saddle]

it is still 100 100 base stat bulk + spread. but i understand

[rustic mountain]

i guess, id imagine any1 labbing seriously w/ koraidon had to at the very least consider chi yu if not already use it tho

hh koraidon is cool tho

[balmy glen]

My Korai team is better trust

[rustic mountain]

[balmy glen]

Less techs but better I just faced kyogre too much 😔

[rustic mountain]

considering wat u cooked last i trust

[polar canyon]

Wanna show?

[charred saddle]

252 SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Helping Hand Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow Rider in Sun: 186-220 (106.2 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[real prism]

um anyone use frosmoth for competive?

[polar canyon]

Not rlly

It has wide guard and tailwind ig

[rustic mountain]

not physical if any1 does

[charred saddle]

not really, but flying dragon takes 4x damage from ice

frostmoth is ice. just use stab

[real prism]

i've had it outspeed dragonite and nearly knock it in one shot but only cus of super effective stab was nice to see though

[polar canyon]

Frosmoth would be awesome with rage powder

Kinda

[real prism]

rage poweder?

[polar canyon]

Follow me but grass

[real prism]

btw i'm very new to competive hoping to enter tournements

but to do events first

[polar canyon]

It might be a while to start doing events already

[charred saddle]

doubles or singles? but either way id suggest learning the basics first

[polar canyon]

Takes some practice

[real prism]

yeah i kinda figured it would be a while

[solid frigate]

favourite Legendaries of Each type (Sorry Bug types_

[polar canyon]

You'll get there

[charred saddle]

#competitive_discussion message

good resource to get you started

[real prism]

btw i use glemmora on showdown it's allright

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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[solid frigate]

Glimmora is fine

[balmy glen]

If you put in the work won’t take as long as you think I’ve only really been playing vgc seriously for like 4 months now

[real prism]

i'm also trying to use a tera huricane noivern

[polar canyon]

Don't honestly

[real prism]

widelens helps a bit it still misses but it hits

[solid frigate]

Noivern is too frail

[real prism]

really mine is bulky

[solid frigate]

trust me i used it before

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 715: Noivern

Types

Flying/Dragon

Abilities

Frisk, Infiltrator, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/70/80/97/80/123

Total

535

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

It won't take many hits

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao Food

[real prism]

i mean nothing takes too many hits from super efective honestly

[polar canyon]

Actually it's bulkier than I thought

But tera hurricane won't be doing as much as you'd want

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao:

[real prism]

but i have had it surive at least one stone edge

[polar canyon]

At least not as much as other options would

[real prism]

btw what are other options then noivern hurricane is like one of my favorite moves

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao,Flutter Mane,Raging Bolt

These just cripple them

[rustic mountain]

damn chi yu jus getting ko'd

[solid frigate]

Pelipper Hurricane is better

[rustic mountain]

didnt u play dou b4?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-gif-1710268354472802343

[real prism]

i was hoping to hear that honestly i was considering to use peliper

[solid frigate]

Pelipper is very good trust

[real prism]

but i like boomburst as well and peliper i don't think it learns that

[solid frigate]

Weather Ball Suffice with it

[real prism]

really?

[solid frigate]

it one shots Incineroar with Max SpA,which is bulky af

[real prism]

ive never had good luck with weather ball

[polar canyon]

You see it's gonna be raining as soon as it comes out

[solid frigate]

no Drizzle?

[real prism]

ha okay i'm a half to try pelipar glad to see it's usefull in past games i could never get him to be viable

[real prism]

i don't know what drizzle is

[solid frigate]

it summons rain

[charred saddle]

oh wait its LO bolt interesting

[solid frigate]

Basically the Soul of all Rain Teams

[molten oasis]

Great match, really close

[rustic mountain]

yea

[polar canyon]

Oof

[real prism]

oh..... OH so you pop it in with summon rain and weather bal and most fire types are dead basicly you could also use mystic water or exper belt

[solid frigate]

i am still processing about HH Koraidon

[rustic mountain]

i think cody has this

[molten oasis]

Caly living was huge

[polar canyon]

Usually it's focus sash

[molten oasis]

Oh this mu is so in favor of Cody

[solid frigate]

Sash is better with Pelipper

[real prism]

i don't like focus sash it's cheap

[charred saddle]

cody loses this no?

[rustic mountain]

nvm he threw

[molten oasis]

But if Alex gets his calls right I could see him winning

[polar canyon]

Well you gotta do what it takes to win

[charred saddle]

koraidon wont ever live this

[molten oasis]

crap you guys are like 10 seconds behind I forgot lol

[real prism]

i mean yeah but come on what if the other target has extream speed

[solid frigate]

Trust Me,Focus Sash Pelipper works like Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich

[real prism]

and if you use somthing of that nature on pelipar which idk if it has that then it's full odds coin flip

[charred saddle]

i think he shouldve swap bolt --> koraidon activate sun, gets speed boost to flutter gets ko to IH, then bolt gets +spA in sun then clap KOs no?

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hurricane
• Wide Guard
• Tailwind
• Weather Ball

Just take my set

[charred saddle]

i feel like this wins cody the game

[real prism]

yay i get to keep hurricane

it's a cool move

[molten oasis]

Yes

That was the winning play for Cody

I believe

[solid frigate]

its literally the only flying move besides Air Slash works

[foggy lodge]

It was

He choked

[molten oasis]

That’s what I would have done

[rustic mountain]

swap flutter to koraidon and tclap caly s, keep him honest and give urself a chance for koraidon to wake up. its a tclap mind game in most end game scenarios. if he protects csr and heavy slams flutter while cody swaps the bolt there he prolly just loses

[real prism]

so i got a question if your lucky enough and you get confuse on a attack boosting mon is it possible if they surive hurricane they knock them selves out?

[foggy lodge]

Maybe predicting a protect on Caly

[patent marsh]

lmao I said this exactly

[solid frigate]

well i won't bet on the Confusion Rate Pelipper does decent damage with it and it walls Koraidon

[forest arrow]

weatherball kind of crazy too

[charred saddle]

in my mind since its AV hands its free to KO, then like CSR can protect so u can sswap koraidon in, MB will always KO hands then Tclap will always ko

[molten oasis]

Like how Alex is punishing his protects

[solid frigate]

and i mean Wall Koraidon,I mean WALLS IT

[charred saddle]

just tclap mindgame end same tho

[real prism]

well yeah confusoin is not reliable i just mean if it procs ive had that happen on a few terra raids and if seen in game npcs loose becuse of that

[charred saddle]

but yeah

[real prism]

but again it's not reliable

[solid frigate]

don't use Tera Raids logic on VGC and Pvp

[torn parrot]

I should make a new team

[real prism]

ah okay yeah sorry i'm not used to vgc i could never beat palmer in battlefronteir

[torn parrot]

But regulation G is ending in 2 months

[real prism]

or any other fronteir brain

[smoky hawk]

How did Cody Sharp get this far in the NAIC while having no way to deal with amoonguss?

[real prism]

also golden somthing is kinda op that tall golden thingy

[solid frigate]

Honestly i might plan for Reg H but idk

[graceful flare]

Do my team have good type coverage?

[rustic mountain]

they can just stall out tclap w/ cm and protect. or w/ sun stalling out cuz csr would get a double ko that turn if u target hands down

[solid frigate]

Dengo?

[rustic mountain]

so its jus 1v1 50/50s, nobody wants to opt into that if they have other paths