competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

If he doesn't know it, no one else will

Lol

[autumn vault]

Wouldn't amulet be better for hands to OHKO Incin?

[timber falcon]

drain punch OHKOs incin?

[autumn vault]

CC does

Bu not sure about DP

[timber falcon]

oh well the idea behind hands was for the bulk

and kinda offence

its the weakiest link to the team, im thinking of replacing

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Iron Hands Drain Punch vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 158-188 (79 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[autumn vault]

Raging Bolt does look good for your team

[timber falcon]

in what regard

[autumn vault]

Raging Bolt replaced Hands in non-trick room teams, do i really need to explain myself?

[timber falcon]

well they have different properties

[autumn vault]

It checks what hands checks, but better

Plus it can do pretty good into sun teams

[timber falcon]

i mean hands was there for tr teams mainly, but im not feeling it

[autumn vault]

Then maybe Bolt can fit in better than Hands

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 992: Iron Hands

Types

Fighting/Electric

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

154/140/108/50/68/50

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Also why Leftovers on Lunala?

[timber falcon]

passive regen

similar to pagos

[autumn vault]

Don't you already do that with Grassy Terrain? Also meteor beam power herb checks incin

Terapagos is a set up mon, not lunala

[timber falcon]

pretty sure cm lunala has shown nice succes btw

also meteor beam checks incin if it hits incin only

1 chance

[autumn vault]

Still think PH MB is better

[autumn vault]

Also gives it a SpA boost which is also generally nice

[timber falcon]

but i think cm lets it last a but longer

and swampert turns out to be a very nice support for it ive found out

the set im using at least

[sharp cobalt]

What set you usin fam

[timber falcon]

Swampert @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Impish Nature

• Liquidation
• Knock Off
• Wide Guard
• Yawn

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Swampert on a critical hit: 150-180 (72.4 - 86.9%) -- approx. 2HKO a calc i saved, accidently got rid of the others

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Swampert: 85-102 (41 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[graceful flare]

Why do u use damage calcs

[timber falcon]

So you can be safe whilst playing

Knowing you’ll live a certain attack is very nice, it also means your gonna live anything weaker than it

[graceful flare]

Actually fair enough

I always thought it was just taking to serious

[timber falcon]

Nah they help a lot

[autumn vault]

Epic clash of the titans

[willow vault]

Looks fun

[autumn vault]

Not fun against Tailwind

I love reads

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137513350

Testing Groudon rn

[willow vault]

How’s Groudon been treating you?

[autumn vault]

Only played one match with it today, generally its been good in the past

[graceful flare]

Pls advice for Taunt user also has fighting move for terapagos

[next stump]

https://x.com/isastarter/status/1798273077597667667?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

cool team

NJ11 (@IsAStarter) on X

I wish I had more time to be playing VGC lately but I’ve been so swamped with work. But this is a team I’ve put some time into over the course of a month or so and played a fair bit of games with on battle stadium. Double Sash and trick room is a lot of fun and uproar is a funny

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 8:38 AM

[timber falcon]

this isnt a tr team right? or is it

[mighty stump]

That looks familiar

Wasn't that Baars Kaas

Or something

That made Eleki + CIR

[next stump]

yes he did

also no it’s not really a CR team

probably speedy-ish caly-ice

[timber falcon]

ooo i never though of leki for such a team

after swampert i might go back at it

0 Atk Swampert Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Flutter Mane in Rain: 88-105 (54.3 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this was nice to know

[next stump]

caly-I teams had to adapt a ton to the prominence of caly-S

unplayable matchup if you just run full trick room alongside caly

[timber falcon]

really?

i thought people got around that with foul play farig and BM urs

also no one asked for it or needed to know this but here, they can all be on the same team

[next stump]

foul play farigarif is mostly there in case they don’t tera or to force their tera

if they tera fairy, you’re doing like 8% to them

and BM Ursaluna is a good addition but lowkey kinda hard to actually fit on a caly-ice team sometimes

[sharp cobalt]

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/200a692486564e1d I will test this team more and if it has success then i will post a rental of it

I think they forgot about lightning rod rhyhorn

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137591551 That was hell

This is why i hated that match

[mighty stump]

@next stump What u think will be winning NAIC

[next stump]

the smart money would be shadow rider

I’m feeling a terapagos win though

[timber falcon]

But, dragon cheer miraidon might also

[timber falcon]

Why fast Incin

[solid frigate]

I can see that work but i really want Turtle supremacy

(Although that means people are gonna gear up to beat Terapagos

[timber falcon]

I think its the opposite

I think people might use pagos to gear up to beat csr which got a pretty good usage boost

[limber marsh]

What does a good koraidon usually look like? I based my build off a YouTube guide, but so far am not liking it.

Koraidon @ Heat Rock
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Collision Course
• Flare Blitz
• Swords Dance
• Dragon Claw

[next stump]

if you’re playing doubles, it’s usually clear amulet with collision course, flare blitz, flame charge, and protect

you can do max SPE and ATK or give up a little of each to put into survivability

[timber falcon]

Which format?

[limber marsh]

Oh sorry regulation G doubles

[timber falcon]

Ah then what Dillion said

[limber marsh]

I think I will switch back to clear amulet

Intimidate feels bad lol

[timber falcon]

Also for doubles protect is wanted

With that set

[limber marsh]

True, I've noticed I feel pretty vulnerable

[timber falcon]

Dragon claw also seems a bit eh, I’d go flame charge as you can boost ur speed and with tera fire + sun, deal a very nice amount of damage

Just explaining what dillion said

[limber marsh]

Would it be a terrible idea to run iron head for fairy coverage? I'm currently on tera steel as well so I could get stab on it

Or should I switch to tera fire?

[timber falcon]

I’d swap to Tera fire

[next stump]

you honestly nuke fairy types with your fire moves anyway

[timber falcon]

Also fairy types to watch out for are hatterene and flutter (I think they’re the most common, correct me if I’m wrong) which die to blitz/flame charge

[limber marsh]

Gotcha, I guess my main fear is cause I got brickwalled by a dachsbun lol, I don't expect to run into it much, but my koraidon couldn't hit it at all

[autumn vault]

In game i use a slower one

I went with a fast one because winning FO ties is very nice

[timber falcon]

Not an MU worth worrying about

[autumn vault]

Plus it can outspeed a good chunk of pokemon

Like the base 90s

[limber marsh]

@timber falcon that's good to hear lol

[timber falcon]

Aight was just curious cause peli didn’t seem to be a problem

[autumn vault]

That is also a benefit

[limber marsh]

If I was to switch dragonite off of choice band, would Assault Vest be a good spot? I just all too often get put in a position wear I need to swap to reset the band

[next stump]

yeah assault vest is probably your second best option

[bold geode]

Hey Dillon what was Jolly Incineroar's speed stat like 123,124?

[limber marsh]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137615901
@next stump I like this a lot more thanks for the tips!

[gentle crag]

backinthefrey has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

i think it’s 123 yeah

[bold geode]

Aight cool, doing Gholdengo now so I guess I'll do 124 then

[autumn vault]

What Dillon is saying is true btw

[solid frigate]

oh god turbo Incin

[autumn vault]

The rental thats coming soon will not have turbo incin

[willow vault]

W Turbo Incineroar

[craggy dagger]

people use turbo incin?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[willow vault]

It was used in a streamed tournament set and now it’s just epic

[autumn vault]

We used it before you can make an idea out of it Novie

Just look at this

Second most common speed for it

[craggy dagger]

i hate incin with a passion so i doubt i would have experimented on it

[autumn vault]

Incineroar die easily to my teams ngl

[craggy dagger]

eviolite heat wave torracat though-

[autumn vault]

Probably because in more than half of those i have Urshifu-R

And a clear amulet pokemon that can slay it easily

Well bye, getting quite late for a Wednesday (i have to wake up at 7:00 or 7 AM in monday-friday because of life related reasons)

[craggy dagger]

oh

[willow vault]

Good night

[dusty gate]

[limber marsh]

Aight, so I've been testing and adjusting the team since the initial build that had ceruledge in it, this is the current team now, any tips for how to refine it more? Or am I doing anything that's holding it back a lot?

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Collision Course
• Flare Blitz
• Protect
• Flame Charge

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 116 SpD / 140 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Icy Wind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Pollen Puff
• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Protect

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 220 HP / 148 Def / 140 SpD
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Will-O-Wisp
• Knock Off

Dragonite @ Choice Band
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Def
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Ice Spinner
• Thunder Punch
• Earthquake

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Waterfall
• Thunder Wave
• Protect
• Taunt

[polar canyon]

What's the command for the pokepaste tutorial again?

[mighty stump]

• Flutter Mane EVs are inefficient
• Dragonite should be running Stomping
• Gyarados is practically useless since it’s only offensive move is weakened under Sun and has no offensive investment.

Dragonite also needs Outrage and a Chien-Pao at minimum to maximise its set. Standalone it just isn’t it

[bold geode]

Wanna VC for a bit? I can run some games on my laptop maybe

[limber marsh]

@mighty stump what would you recommend for fluttermane evs? I think I had it like that so that Protosynthesis would buff speed instead of spA,
I'll swap Earthquake for Stomping, I wasn't finding Earthquake to be very effective as is.
Also I honestly didn't even think about the fact that gyaridos is nerfed in the sun, which is a shame cause I really like him on the team. I guess I could try swapping for chien pow

What's the go to these days on chien pow, ice Spinner or icicle crash? I usually use ice Spinner to get rid of psychic terrain

[mighty stump]

Flutter Mane
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 156 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

I think you need to review how EVing works in the first place, however. More so to the fact the 116 SpDef you had just seemed extremely weird when you would gain significantly more value defensively overall in HP

Like there is no need to be randomly splitting EVs if its going to be arbitrary

Dragonite is just fine going 252 HP, not 156/100 HP/Def

[ionic sorrel]

Anyone got the rental code for Wolfey's Shadow Rider team?

[limber marsh]

@mighty stump fair enough, I haven't done any calcs or anything to see what's more effective between the different defensive evs, so I'll look into that a bit

[timber falcon]

Aren’t those defence evs a little low? I thought flutters ran more than that

[mighty stump]

Read the EVing guide in the pins at the bare minimum.

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/a-beginners-guide-to-distributing-evs.40667/

This post is also useful.

[mighty stump]

I’ve had 0 problems with it. It’s the old standard Flutter set which honestly should be recognisable if you played previous Regulations.

[timber falcon]

Well that explains why I don’t recognise it

[mighty stump]

Also

Just because the calculator sets have a certain set doesn’t mean every set has to follow that rule

I also just don’t see value in an extremely fat Flutter. It does no damage.

[timber falcon]

True ig

[polar canyon]

I think imma be playing fast lunala

That's not bad right?

If it goes right before timid kyogre it can calm mind before it can water spout with both in tailwind

And take even less with shadow shield

[upbeat quail]

Would y’all be offended if I dropped real stinker of a team right now?

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137667557 team is going just as expected, hoping for a smooth run up to the 1500s with a crisp 70% GXE

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/a43a9b5bc7d88397

Real doozy right here.

[timber falcon]

i would be doing the same, but i realised CM would really like those evs for either offence or bulk

[timber falcon]

the team actually looks aight, though i feel like u can do better than hariyama

remeber Ho-Oh has clear am, the rest dont

meinshao does better there

[upbeat quail]

Yeah I really like the idea of a guts boosted Tera steel hariyama using bullet punch

But it barely does 50% to a clefairy :/

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 297: Hariyama

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Thick Fat, Guts, Sheer Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

144/120/60/40/60/50

Total

474

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[upbeat quail]

Wait Nevermind that cleafiry was aroura veiled

[timber falcon]

how will u deal with intimidate cycle?

[upbeat quail]

Might go Oblivious dondozo

Immune to intimidate that way

[polar canyon]

But but 97 base speed

[polar canyon]

Then it still doesn't kill

[upbeat quail]

It did just over 50% to clef, so it would kill if not under screens.

[polar canyon]

Remember screens are 1/3 in doubles

Not 1/2

[timber falcon]

ik but i calced mine to live adament lance comfortably and smooth sailing is all ive been eeing, it takes quite a but of evs but it means i can take things like pao too

[timber falcon]

oh i didnt know this

[upbeat quail]

Yeah oblivious on dondozo would be a good choice. And ting lu honestly doesn’t care about intimidate. It’s only move affected by it is stomping tantrum

And oh shit I didn’t know that about screens

Yeah mienshao it is. I can use feint then too to guarantee some sacred fire hits into calyrex

[timber falcon]

i think dozo sould be oblivious, just helps

[polar canyon]

One move halving damage for 2 pokemon would be broken

Screens would be everywhere

[upbeat quail]

Okay so mienshao needs my focus sash from flutter then. Should I drop flutter completely or use a booster energy set? I rarely bring flutter anyways because it just dies

[polar canyon]

If you're using it without sash the options are specs and booster

Honestly the options are specs and booster and if you can't use either you use sash

That's usually how it goes

[upbeat quail]

I wonder what else can fill that role on my team

Maybe torn for the weather war

[polar canyon]

Is it there more for icy wind and some pressure on se hits or for heavy damage?

[upbeat quail]

I usually keep it in the back to clean up

My team is slow anyways

Tailwind probably doesn’t help a ton

[polar canyon]

What's the team?

[upbeat quail]

Scroll up a bit

https://pokepast.es/a43a9b5bc7d88397

Real doozy right here.

[polar canyon]

Oh

[upbeat quail]

Already made dozo oblivious and swapped hariyama for mienshao

[polar canyon]

Yeah that sure is a ho-oh

[upbeat quail]

Yes it is

Ho-oh or OH NO

[timber falcon]

bro im pretty sure ive just lost a battle to firs try fissure

[upbeat quail]

Sounds like when I got slept by three sings in a row from a clefairy

[polar canyon]

Damn sing clefairy is vile

Sing is 55 acc right?

[timber falcon]

what the actual heck

most bs game of my life

[upbeat quail]

Bro got max attack ting lu

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Iron Hands: 116-140 (50.4 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO TING LU CANT DO IT ANYWAYS 😭

[upbeat quail]

Canadian krookodile coming for that KO

Was it banded ting lu with Chien pao next to it?

[polar canyon]

Did it just miss fissure

[timber falcon]

no it used fissure and was next to caly-s

oh wait

[upbeat quail]

Ohhhhh

[dapper crag]

Move: Stomping Tantrum

Power doubles if the user's last move on the previous turn, including moves called by other moves or those used through Instruct, Magic Coat, Snatch, or the Dancer or Magic Bounce Abilities, failed to do any of its normal effects, not including damage from an unsuccessful High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, or Mind Blown, or if the user was prevented from moving by any effect other than recharging or Sky Drop. A move that was blocked by Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, Spiky Shield, Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard will not double this move's power, nor will Bounce or Fly ending early due to the effect of Gravity, Smack Down, or Thousand Arrows.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[upbeat quail]

Fissure failed

I love that

[foggy lodge]

Lol

[timber falcon]

welp that sucks

[upbeat quail]

Gonna go cook with that for the meme

[polar canyon]

That was a real thing people were using a while ago

[timber falcon]

rng rly fked me there though, at the end of the say it is what it is

[polar canyon]

I think even wolfey had something to say about it

[slow latch]

Hello everyone, I’m looking for a doubles wifi draft league. Dm me or ping me if you can help. Thank you!

[polar canyon]

Not being cool or something

[timber falcon]

he did

[polar canyon]

This probably isn't the place to look

[foggy lodge]

Ting-Lu is probably the only pokemon that you should worry if it has a OHKO moves

[polar canyon]

Dondozo in reg a-c

[upbeat quail]

Is fissure affected by wide lens, sweet scent, or gravity?

[polar canyon]

No

[slow latch]

Idk where to go

[polar canyon]

It's not affected by any accuracy boosts

Except lock on and mind reader

[timber falcon]

so the game was left to a 30% fissure chance :/

[polar canyon]

If it uses fissure twice, the odds of at least one hitting are already over 50%

[timber falcon]

what a way to have my decent streak broken

[upbeat quail]

Can’t be worse than Joe Ugarte getting crit by a -6 Draco meteor to lose the set

[timber falcon]

they had literally just swapped it in and fissured my ready to sweep CM boosted lunala 😭

[polar canyon]

Tbh what did your lunala have to hit ting lu

[foggy lodge]

Moonblast probably

[timber falcon]

moonblast tera fairy-

and swampert to make sure

[polar canyon]

Oh damn

[timber falcon]

i was on a good streak too man, least i dont have to consider that MU

[foggy lodge]

What was the full team?

[polar canyon]

What's the lunala moveset?

[foggy lodge]

Because honestly fissure Ting-Lu is a thing

[polar canyon]

Was it the usual meteor beam stuff

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e29ee3c2fcff280f

nope, smth new

[timber falcon]

and its left up to RNG

[polar canyon]

Cool cool not power herb

What made you use moonblast over meteor beam tho

[timber falcon]

the fact that its a calm mind set

[foggy lodge]

Lol

[polar canyon]

Well you can use both

[timber falcon]

so after 1 meteor beam miss then what?

incin runs rampant

[polar canyon]

Real

I think I wanna run tera dark

[timber falcon]

on lunala?

[polar canyon]

Resists ghost and dark so I feel like it just makes sense

[timber falcon]

dawg theres 2 good reasons u should choose fairy

[polar canyon]

Tbh it does just get hit by a +2 draining kiss from csr

[timber falcon]

also there barely any good offensive steel/posion moves being used rn, so fairy tera is pretty safe

[polar canyon]

I think I'm doing fast calm mind lunala with indeedee redirection

It doesn't entirely have to rely on expanding force

But it's really nice to have

[timber falcon]

anddd it has just hit me clefairy was missing from the team against the ting-lu

[polar canyon]

And having indeedee might help vs miraidon too

I'm sure it comes in handy

[timber falcon]

it does

[polar canyon]

Time to build psyspam

[timber falcon]

gl

[polar canyon]

Later

Now I just think about it

Whimsicott

Whims lunala indeedee maybe ditto

[timber falcon]

how come ditto?

[polar canyon]

I think it might be nice if I have redirection

[craggy dagger]

[polar canyon]

Ditto expert arrived

[craggy dagger]

huh

[timber falcon]

just about to say that lol

[craggy dagger]

oh

[polar canyon]

I probably do want a way to deal with caly i

[craggy dagger]

ditto is easy to play-
but you’re screwed if you lead and you transform into a tw or giraffe-

[polar canyon]

There's no single pokemon that's a good counter for it tho is it

[polar canyon]

I'm not planning on leading with it

With a 50% chance I end up with 2 tailwind setters out

[timber falcon]

but a positive and a positive is still a positive

[polar canyon]

Yeah and one tailwind setter out is a positive

[timber falcon]

true.

[craggy dagger]

tbf-
if one of your setters have taunt and ditto turns into a tailwind setter, you can always tailwind with ditto and taunt with your original setter

[polar canyon]

I don't wanna take the forced switch there the next turn

[craggy dagger]

you can taunt their tw setter and mess it up

[graceful flare]

Why should I run mystic water shif u when I can run whatever that item js that gives 10% extra to all physical moves

[polar canyon]

Because 20 is more than 10

And more often than not you'll be using urshifus strongest and best move

Surging strikes btw

[craggy dagger]

also if you’re running any other item-
go scarf for speed rather than atk boosting

[polar canyon]

The scarf speed is really valuable for its speed tier

[graceful flare]

Ew Ik I can use scarf but being restricted to one move isn't mu thinf man

I will never use a choice item ever

[polar canyon]

That sure is a mindset

[graceful flare]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Not gonna try to convince you

[graceful flare]

The closest I could ever go is stellar tera startsotm bc no one immune or resist it but I will not either

[polar canyon]

I don't think it's worth the effort

[craggy dagger]

oki-
don’t come crying back here if you lose your shifu all the time

[graceful flare]

It can tank lots of hits tho

It's spread is 252 speed and attack and 4 spdef

[polar canyon]

That can't tank lots of hits

It really doesn't

Well there's a reason why the best of the best use scarf and when they don't they use mystic water

[graceful flare]

I always use sash but calyex use it rn

Anyways if I use urhsifu I'm gonna use tailwind more than half the tim3 anyway

Fine whatever I'll use scarf

I can't belive I'm caving into using such a mediocre item

Adamant or speed boost nature

[polar canyon]

Adamant

Those 37% of urshifu users must have something wrong with them

They're all using a mediocre item

[graceful flare]

Focus sash isn't mediocre

Whar moveset for scarf

[polar canyon]

Surging cc u-turn aqua jet/ice spinner

[graceful flare]

Why aqua jet if its gonna out speed Everuthing anyway

And yall are forgetting rock slide

And poison jab

[polar canyon]

Brother

[graceful flare]

And my personal fave iron head

[polar canyon]

You didn't just suggest rock slide urshifu

[graceful flare]

I've seen someone use it before

[polar canyon]

Doesn't mean it's good

And you don't always have tailwind up when the opponent does

It's not a guarantee

Mostly since urshifu can really work with those 3 moves then the aqua jet is there just in case

But if you'll use something else it should probably be ice spinner

[graceful flare]

Ice spinner

[polar canyon]

Most of the time with scarf you'll be clicking surging strikes anyways

I think it's important to know the reasons why you're using scarf

There's a lot of things you can only outspeed with scarf if you're using urshifu

Like opposing calyrex, koraidon, miraidon, flutter mane

Most of those are mons that absolutely will ohko urshifu if it doesn't move first

And probably will after but only after taking heavy damage

[graceful flare]

Ok but I just remembered I need the mature that makes it oitspeed shadow rider with max speed

Nature

[polar canyon]

Actually

A max speed urshifu without the nature

Just barely outspeeds calyrex

With scarf that is

It's by exactly 1 point which is a funny coincidence

[polar canyon]

Check out this calc

156+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Rain on a critical hit: 183-219 (104.5 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[timber falcon]

💀

[graceful flare]

My urshifu got fake out and one shot by an oppos8ng caly shadow

[timber falcon]

What’s the team

[graceful flare]

Is this what the pros consider winning💀

[timber falcon]

No ur just not good for letting this happen lol

Try and work around things like that

[graceful flare]

Like?

[timber falcon]

If the opponent has a mon that has fake out, don’t leave shifu hanging

[graceful flare]

Bro what

Tera ghost?

[timber falcon]

That also works

[graceful flare]

Ew no

Tera water clear

[timber falcon]

Lol it does work though

I use it plenty enough, Tera water is only good when u don’t die immediately

Anyways what’s the full team?

[next stump]

tera water urshifu in this meta is pretty bad unless you have farigiraf

assuming you’re scarfed

it’s very very hard to not get fake out pinned with rilla and incin being so common

[craggy dagger]

just don’t run shifu

[molten oasis]

Tera ghost is great on urshifu rn

[graceful flare]

Yes but then how can I just not get destroyed by pagos

[molten oasis]

Just, be careful about clicking it infront of caly

[graceful flare]

Can rillaboom learn close combat

Or a good fighting move

[molten oasis]

Don’t do that

[solid frigate]

hoi

[molten oasis]

With rilla, it gets drain punch but it’s not worth running as it’s a pretty weak move

As it’s not stab

[graceful flare]

Yes but it gets health back

[solid frigate]

its not worth it

[graceful flare]

Waht abt ogerpon hearth

[molten oasis]

Still not worth it

[solid frigate]

i rather run Horn Leech

[molten oasis]

If you’re looking for fighting moves use a fighting type

[graceful flare]

Like what

[molten oasis]

Urshifu or Iron Hands

[graceful flare]

My sash is used up by calydex

My rillabppm is using vest

[solid frigate]

Urshifu can run Mystic Water or Scarf

[molten oasis]

Clear amulet

[solid frigate]

or that

[graceful flare]

Ok then but will I be bale to tank a moonblast from mane

[molten oasis]

You have a rillaboom remove the flutter with rillaboom

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[timber falcon]

Without Tera no

[graceful flare]

What

[molten oasis]

Wtf do you mean what

Yiu wood hammer fluttermane and it goes boom bye bye

[graceful flare]

I don't get it

[molten oasis]

It dies

[solid frigate]

he's the guy who wants to make everything fast for the pokemon-

[molten oasis]

What is hard to understand

[graceful flare]

Ohhb

I thought u meant in my team

[molten oasis]

Can I see a paste?

[graceful flare]

I don't use showdown

[molten oasis]

…

Why

[solid frigate]

no paste,we asked that a LONG TIME

[graceful flare]

I play sv

[molten oasis]

That’s not an excuse

Why do you not play showdown

[graceful flare]

Bc I no pc

[solid frigate]

he said that is a conspiracy theory of stealing data-

[molten oasis]

You can do it on mobile

[graceful flare]

It was abt steallong the moon..

[molten oasis]

I did it on mobile for over a year before getting a pc

[graceful flare]

Ok I will then

[molten oasis]

Ok, make a paste there and send it here

[timber falcon]

I DIDNT READ THE UR MOM JOKE

mb

[graceful flare]

But every time I leave the sight I won't have to make team again?

[solid frigate]

honestly shut up for reporting us for multiple times honestly

[molten oasis]

Make an account

[timber falcon]

As long as account, it will stay

[molten oasis]

Choose a username click register then your teams should save

[graceful flare]

Ok

I make now

[molten oasis]

?

[timber falcon]

Tried Ban Monke for saying the f word to u

[solid frigate]

Reported Monke,Me,Lyco,Kal0sunleashed before

[molten oasis]

For what

[solid frigate]

for doing our busniess

[molten oasis]

ic

[solid frigate]

yeah... so he reported me and Monke twice

[molten oasis]

Well, you’re still here so just let it go

[timber falcon]

Right here, but the situation was short

[solid frigate]

true but yea

https://www.pokemoncenter.com/en-gb/product/701E12106/terapagos-normal-form-poke-plush-15-in

Tortol

[molten oasis]

You didn’t need to do that

[graceful flare]

Kilos unleashed spends his entire day reporting people on the server

[molten oasis]

How is that any of your business

[timber falcon]

I was just explaining what he was talking abt, mb

[solid frigate]

yeah, For good reasoning honestly

[twin falcon]

His reports are valid tho
But let's just drop the topic pls

[solid frigate]

might as well make a Favourite Competitive Pokemon Picker

[graceful flare]

As long as he doesn't have anything to do with the discord mod stereotype I respect him

[molten oasis]

Drop it

You’re working on that paste?

[graceful flare]

No the thing is I can't find the button to register

[molten oasis]

Go to settings

[timber falcon]

Choose a name first

[molten oasis]

Choose a name

[timber falcon]

It has to be one that’s not been picked b4, if it asks for a password then make a new name

[molten oasis]

Then register shows up below where avatar shows

Ok well, I need to pack my suitcase and shit for my flight tomorrow

[timber falcon]

NAIC journey?

[molten oasis]

Good luck

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

Hope flight goes smoothly

[craggy dagger]

do i even wanna ask what that stealing data thing is-

[craggy dagger]

oooo-
you got thisssss

[timber falcon]

I mean what website on google doesn’t take data

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

Ty

Guys drop the topic on all of that stuff plz

[timber falcon]

Btw what time does NAIC start? Idw to miss it

[solid frigate]

good luck my guy

[timber falcon]

I wonder which team is gonna be used

[molten oasis]

Idk

10 am I think

[timber falcon]

Wait a second

ITS TOMORROW?!

[bold geode]

What did I get pinged for?

[molten oasis]

Not tomorrow on Friday

[timber falcon]

Oh few

[molten oasis]

Stuff about I’m Im Im reporting people don’t worry about it

[timber falcon]

That was mb

[graceful flare]

Did I do it

[timber falcon]

Interesting name lol

[graceful flare]

It didn't ask for a password tho

[bold geode]

Y'all really brought that shit up again?

[molten oasis]

You now have to click settings and click register

[timber falcon]

We were told to drop

[molten oasis]

Blame torrent and drop it

[bold geode]

Y'all shouldn't have been told to again

[molten oasis]

I didn’t fucking know

[solid frigate]

ok thats just uncalled for

[bold geode]

Tofu said it multiple times iirc
Mods said it once or twice
Just block and move on at this point

[cyan smelt]

Caly s will probably be everywhere at naic

[timber falcon]

I can imagine

[solid frigate]

i might reset the Tornadus Stats on SV

[molten oasis]

Ok, go for it

[timber falcon]

Which set u going for?

[ember niche]

If I wanted to give my current snorlax thick fat ability how can I do so? It has gluttony right now

[timber falcon]

Ability patch

[next stump]

NAIC stream probably starts at like 12PM EST on Friday

the tournament itself starts a few hours earlier

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 143: Snorlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Immunity, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/110/65/65/110/30

Total

540

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Yeah patch should do it

[timber falcon]

Ah ok thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[graceful flare]

I'll do this paste tomorrow it's 12 10 and j gotta play some xdefiant

[ember niche]

It’s just keep changing from immunity to gluttony

[timber falcon]

Once it goes to immunity, use ability capsule

Not patch

[graceful flare]

Guys let's all hop on xdefiant

[timber falcon]

Idk what that is

[ember niche]

Ah thanks

[gentle crag]

anthology24 has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[timber falcon]

Oh it’s an fps game

[graceful flare]

Bro must be living with Patrick star if he doesn't know what that is

[timber falcon]

I don’t play fps games for a very specific reason

[graceful flare]

Why

[timber falcon]

I’m trash

[graceful flare]

Ohh

It's very easy

[timber falcon]

In Pokémon the skill is left to ur brain and not hand coordination

Much more my forte

[graceful flare]

What abt fortnite

[timber falcon]

Oh I’ve dabbled in a bit of that

[graceful flare]

There's no way someone just doesn't like fortnite

[bold geode]

@timber falcon @solid frigate @cyan smelt I sent you all a friend request on Discord, could you plz accept

[timber falcon]

I wouldn’t say I “play” it, maybe I’ll do creative for a bit with a group of friends

[graceful flare]

I'm nkt tryna be mean but he might report you bc it was at random I think youvshould ask him first

[timber falcon]

Bro just don’t

It ain’t worth it trust me

[graceful flare]

Im not tryna be mean I'm just saying

[timber falcon]

And idt they mind all that much

Anyways let’s leave it at that

[graceful flare]

Ok

Howbbout we all have a game night one day

And the plot twist is its actually on fn

[timber falcon]

U mean like makeshift bo3 tournament ?

Oh nvm

[graceful flare]

I mean we can do BO3 but not bo3

[timber falcon]

?

[limber marsh]

Blops

[graceful flare]

As tofu teached me

[graceful flare]

Black ops

[timber falcon]

Oh black ops

[graceful flare]

Blops is crazy

U don't see me calling showdown podown

[timber falcon]

That’s cause u never use it

[limber marsh]

More like hoedown

Gottem

[graceful flare]

I forgor

Do u still need the tm I came back from the gym like 7 hours ago

[limber marsh]

I do, I'm clocking off work rn tho

[graceful flare]

It's 12 20 rn when will u be back

[cyan smelt]

Accepted

[limber marsh]

Uhh maybe like 40 minutes, I can try to do a Hotspot tho cause I've got my switch with me

[solid frigate]

oh ok

[graceful flare]

Ok I'll get the tm now

What tm u need knock off and whar else

[limber marsh]

The other I was looking for was grassy slide

Glide

[graceful flare]

I gotta find the mons to craft them I'll take a while

[limber marsh]

Also pokemon question, I've got fluttermane on my teams (vgc doubles regulation G), I've already got Sash on my chien pow, so I've been going with choice specs. My orginal logic was "max possible speed to try to kill before I get hit", but should I instead build for higher spA and defensive evs to try to survive longer and ohko more often?

@graceful flare don't worry about it if it would be a pain, I'm not currently running rilaboom so I'm not pressed for it

[timber falcon]

If you’re running sash, no defence is needed

However there is an option for booster energy

[limber marsh]

No no the Sash is on my chein

[timber falcon]

Oh sorry mb, specs doesn’t need that much bulk, but an alternative is booster which is normally pretty bulky

[limber marsh]

Guess it's also important to note I'm running koraidon, so I've moved away from booster, but not super confident on my flutter as is

[timber falcon]

#competitive_discussion message incase u didn’t see tofu reccomended this set

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Flutter Mane
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 156 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

I think you need to review how EVing works in the first place, however. More so to the fact the 116 SpDef you had just seemed extremely weird when you would gain significantly more value defensively overall in HP

Command triggered by otot8953. Message from · Jun 5, 2024, 8:49 PM

[timber falcon]

In sun it’s either sash or specs, no need for booster, so specs it is

But ig if u want a select few may run life orb or fairy feather

[limber marsh]

Gotcha, and ye I saw the tofu's recommendation but wasn't sure if that was with thr assumption of specs or not

I think I'm fine with specs, but not sure if I should be going heavier into speed or into defense with specs

[craggy dagger]

[timber falcon]

The set tofu gave boosts speed in sun via protosynthesis and I asked him abt the bulk which he said was alright

[limber marsh]

I'll give that spread a go then

[solid frigate]

speen

[limber marsh]

Guess if I just get ohko a bunch I'll adjust for more speed

[timber falcon]

I doubt you’ll need more speed evs on the flutter, if ur getting outsped it’s prolly cause of tailwind

[craggy dagger]

[limber marsh]

Oof yeah thats still got a chunky speed stat with the timid nature, without accounting that sun will still buff speed

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

okie i got pink whale but its in ugly ball :(

[timber falcon]

Kyogre ?

[chrome knot]

yeah

[timber falcon]

Wow very nice

[chrome knot]

in a heal ball tho so like who cares

[timber falcon]

At least heal ball is somewhat pink

[solid frigate]

kek

[timber falcon]

New cybertron vid featuring zac + regidrago team btw

I didn’t think that duo would be very successful but seems like it works

[cyan smelt]

Can Cybertron tell us how to answer draining kiss caly s

[timber falcon]

Assault vest BM ursauluna

[cyan smelt]

Fake out bait

[limber marsh]

What's an important move for amoongus to watch out for that I can do calcs against?

Flair blitz maybe?

[solid frigate]

basically Any Fire,Ice,Flying and Psychic type moves that is threatening for Amogus

[limber marsh]

So like, caly shadow psychic, and koraidon flair blitz would be big ones? Oh also Glacial Lance or whatever it's called

[timber falcon]

Don’t bother calcing the overkill ones

[solid frigate]

mostly Overheat,Flare blitz,Bleakwind Storm,Ice Beam,Freeze Dry,Ivy Cudgel(Fire),Glacial Lance,Expanding Force,Psychic and Psyshock

[cyan smelt]

Bleakwind storm, hurricane, heat wave

[solid frigate]

and even Astral Barrage can

[bold geode]

Honestly Ting Lu kinda

[cyan smelt]

I tried ting lu

And they just cycle incin

[molten oasis]

Is it REALLY that good into it?

[cyan smelt]

No, I tried it and it's not great

[solid frigate]

its decent is certain occasions but people can deal with it pretty fast

[cyan smelt]

The problem is most caly s teams run incin

And rilla

[molten oasis]

I’ve just found you have to take damage trades with shadow rider or try to get into a position to take it out BEFORE it starts sweeping

[solid frigate]

honestly its the bread and butter now

[cyan smelt]

I think I should either put wide guard on Zama or lead with rilla and just wood hammer it into oblivion

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mario-yoshis-island-super-smash-brother-super-smash-brother-n64-gif-21681448

Rillaboom when Caly S

[cyan smelt]

Tempted again to run clam on rilla

[solid frigate]

there is nothing wrong with testing

[cyan smelt]

Just want to bonk caly s on the head

[solid frigate]

we all want to bonk that Onion

[limber marsh]

For specs flutter mane move set, I got shadowball, icy wind, and Dazzling Gleam. Should I just run moonblast in the last slot?

[solid frigate]

you always run Moonblast for flutter

[limber marsh]

Fair enough lol

And is there a meta pick between tera fairy and tera ghost?

[solid frigate]

like its literally the 10 commandments level of always

[solid frigate]

Tera Fairy

[limber marsh]

Lol fair enough

[solid frigate]

its always Tera Fairy unless you wanna be funny and go Tera Grass or Water

[limber marsh]

I'll go with that then

[solid frigate]

mhm

[limber marsh]

Anyone want to play a match on showdown?

[solid frigate]

sure

Name MorrisPXG456

[limber marsh]

I finally have my team to a point where I think it's more important to start practicing with it than refining it more lol

@solid frigate sweet

[solid frigate]

alright challenge me in showdown

[cyan smelt]

Man they moved comp chat down

[solid frigate]

Koraidon give me fucking sweats

[limber marsh]

Lol, safety Goggles was rough

Wasn't expecting that

[solid frigate]

its very good on Cresselia

[limber marsh]

Aye, I'm surprised more people don't run it, cause I usually try to counter cresselia with amoongus spore

[solid frigate]

i run that just to prevent that happen

ggs

[limber marsh]

Ggs

[solid frigate]

nice B03

[limber marsh]

They eepy

I realized too late that I was set up terribly against an amoongus opening lol

[solid frigate]

also kinda sloppy for my first game

Tornadus is quite nice against this situation

i can debuff the Flare Blitz and Flame Charge so amogus can survive

[limber marsh]

True that definitely messed me up

If I had been more efficient about swapping and used incineroar better it may have gone smoother

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why my team is a Rain team despite none of them are rain sweeper besides Urshifu

But Zamazenta is just-

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[limber marsh]

I haven't had much difficulty with him ngl

The calys and turtle have been rough

[solid frigate]

i have cuz Terapagos hates Zama

[limber marsh]

But other than that nothing super sticks out so far

Ah gotcha

I got swept by a lugia earlier lol

[solid frigate]

Calm Mind Stall?

[limber marsh]

Yarp

[solid frigate]

hmmm

[limber marsh]

My only lighting damage available to me is Thunder Punch on dragonite, so without that I've got no good damage against it

Lightning*

[solid frigate]

Electric Type*

[limber marsh]

Lol fug

And for dark it's just knock off and sucker punch

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[little plank]

I'm honestly baffled

[solid frigate]

?

[little plank]

That same terapgosa team I got to 1600 with I'm hard stuck at 1150 with now lol

[solid frigate]

huh odd

[cyan smelt]

This meta is volatile

[solid frigate]

[little plank]

Yeah I miss sword and shield lol

[solid frigate]

Pokemon Power Creep moment

[little plank]

I love ursaluna, hate that he takes a turn to actually pull off major dmg lol

[solid frigate]

just prot or switch in honestly

[little plank]

Yeah but that protect stalls a turn of trick room. I'm going to try rhyperior and see what happens

[limber marsh]

Just played against someone, who flowerbombed and instantly killed their own krookadile like 6 turns in

[little plank]

Choice band tera water rhyperior with lightning rod lol

[limber marsh]

@little plank gross lol

[cyan smelt]

Yay beat another caly s team

[shut schooner]

What are some good teammates for all creme with decorate and helping hand in multi battles

No legends mythicals or paradox forms in this competition

[solid frigate]

Armarouge Indeedee Psyspam with Alcremie support

[shut schooner]

Thanks

[solid frigate]

but multi battles kinda sucked in this cuz its more for doubles

[polar canyon]

That doesn't sound right

Actually it kinda does

Would have been fire if alcremie was in like reg c or d

[solid frigate]

yes ik in multi battles it does not work-

But like they give me Too limited choice

[polar canyon]

Oh wait multi battles

There's still a lot of choice without legends and mythicals

Reminds me of when I had a multi battle in a recent multi format contest team thing with some friends

Since showdown doesn't have multi battles we just teamed in ffa

It was fun and of course every team abused some gimmick related to that

Like intimidate and parting shot incineroar into ally kingambit

I think 3/4 teams had that

It was heat

[solid frigate]

yeah but for multiple games it does not feel good

[polar canyon]

It was just bo3

I kinda just followed orders from a friend with really ballsy risky reads that paid off

[solid frigate]

mhm

[polar canyon]

I don't have that gambler spirit

[solid frigate]

same except when i did use Chi Yu and Torn

[polar canyon]

I need to get in the gambling grind

99% of hard read makers stop right before they hit moonblast into switching in urshifu

[solid frigate]

fair

[polar canyon]

I wanna use urshifu dark on a team but I have indeedee on it blocking sucker punch

The woes and sorrows of competitive pokemon

[solid frigate]

i see

[cyan smelt]

Man the mons who can learn wide guard are pretty uninspiring

[chrome knot]

what

[cyan smelt]

Except for like pelipper and mienshao ig

Can't really find any that aren't weak to draining kiss or grassy glide though

[lofty tartan]

Armarouge and Pelipper are the two that aren't weak to either.

Well and there's Torterra.

I guess there's Toxapex/Bastiodon too but I didn't mention it because they don't do a lot otherwise.

So when you don't need Wide Guard is doesn't have much of an impact.

Araquanid imo only good if TR and even then sorta pushing it 🤷

[cyan smelt]

Hurricane kinda deletes araquanid

[bold geode]

cough cough

https://tenor.com/view/hitmontop-pokemon-dance-spin-gif-24714403

[mighty stump]

wow i didn’t know Hitmontop resisted Fairy moves

Oh wait

[bold geode]

Lol

I wish it did

[olive knot]

narrator : it doesnt

you need a resist or high sp def

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137867357-y17v8ii5p66z11f6aaw7vllze73zpx1pw
first game back after a 5 day hiatus

dont ask why they didnt just protect and try and spore the 2nd to last turn. thats why i jus swapped to incin to have fake out pressure the subsequent turn and nullify amoongus

didnt even wind up mattering

[willow vault]

Good morning

[solid frigate]

Morning

[willow vault]

How are you?

[solid frigate]

not bad

today i have a day off

[willow vault]

That’s fun

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

hi crephace

[solid frigate]

might gonna teambuild later

or keep on testing Calyrex Greninja

[willow vault]

Hi

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2137895136 ok so yawn is rly fun against tr then

used that 8 times in total

[mighty stump]

Your opp sucks

[solid frigate]

moment

[mighty stump]

Should be running Goggles for that

[timber falcon]

goggles stops yawn?

[mighty stump]

If Amoonguss clicked Spore and had 2% of a brain you would lose lol

[strange fjord]

That match made me yawn

[strange fjord]

yeah

[mighty stump]

into the correct slot

[dapper crag]

Item: Safety Goggles

Holder is immune to powder moves and damage from Sandstorm or Hail.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

yes that match did have, a lot of questionable plays

ive also got no idea why i didnt bring incin

[mighty stump]

No it doesn’t stop Yawn

[strange fjord]

it stops spore tho

thats what he said before edit? or am i going crazy?

[mighty stump]

That is

I question his intelligence

[timber falcon]

yeah i made a mistake

[timber falcon]

how come

[mighty stump]

I’m referring to you omg

Anyways if your opp had any sort of brain he’d click Spore into your CC Swampert

[timber falcon]

i dont think they even realised it was cloak lol

cause they tried FO it 2 times

[mighty stump]

Yes which is why

Are you like

Missing my point

[timber falcon]

that i wouldve lost that game if they werent dumb

[strange fjord]

Basically OTOT: a good opponent would spore Swampert and beat you. You should run Safety Goggles on Swampert to not get spored. That way you win against good opponent

[timber falcon]

i really really like cloak for other MUs

[strange fjord]

is what Tofu is sayin'

[timber falcon]

my incin does have goggles howver

which i think could also pair with lunala

[strange fjord]

i don't use Swamp so I got no opinion on this

[mighty stump]

Beyond that

Goggles means you can Yawn targets that are hiding behind Rage Powder

[timber falcon]

hm

i mean it IS in my list if items i could use

[mighty stump]

Controllers depend on the fact they can’t be heavily disrupted in targeting and are always controlling the relevant slots

There is a very heavy reason why almost every control/disruption support I have runs Tera Grass if I can’t run Goggles

[timber falcon]

i think ill try goggles for a bit and see what happens, the reason i was using cloak is so FO wouldnt slow it down/stop wide guard

[mighty stump]

You have Protect on other slots

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e74ba2acc68b5556 this is the team for reference btw

if swampert gets goggles, what goes to incin?

[mighty stump]

You have 3 Fake Outs and you’re worried about getting FO’d once

[timber falcon]

...

[solid frigate]

Sitrus?

[strange fjord]

grass tera can take the spot of Goggles of you really dont want to give up item

but thats a tera

[mighty stump]

You can almost always trade FOs or have a defensive switch-in

[timber falcon]

nah lunala is a massive tera hog, it wont work idt

tera grass that is

[strange fjord]

which is valuable

[timber falcon]

true ig i can work round it

[mighty stump]

Do you even need double Knock Off

[timber falcon]

well, swampert is for disruption so i assume knock would be good, also helps to finish off opponents

ig incin could run snarl?

[solid frigate]

disruption-

[mighty stump]

did I just watch two failed edits

[timber falcon]

no

[mighty stump]

Protect is an alternative if you’re so concerned about FO lol

[timber falcon]

yeah i know

[mighty stump]

but KO is fine ig

[dull ibex]

hello

[solid frigate]

hoi

[dull ibex]

vgc stream?

[solid frigate]

sure,i have a day off today

[dull ibex]

ok ill see who else is interested then try to save my game

[mighty stump]

Bet

Gimme 5 minutes

[dull ibex]

take your time

[molten oasis]

[dull ibex]

I paused lego for this

you should feel special

spiderman pointing meme @molten oasis

no we are both set up

btw gonna be quiet because my door is open and its 3am

door is open because cat is on bed 🙂

[charred saddle]

make another room

i wanna join

[dull ibex]

join now

[strange fjord]

dang, its too late for me to join vc

late as in its midnight for me

[timber falcon]

What happens in vc, just curious

[molten oasis]

we vibe

[strange fjord]

they reached rank 1 on ladder. pretty sure

[timber falcon]

Oh so like a stream + vibing

[molten oasis]

yea

[dull ibex]

im streaming cart

[cyan smelt]

so much caly-s now

[dull ibex]

drago you suck

@molten oasis

I HOPE YOU LOSE YOUR FIRST GAME BRO

im so mad you backseated me and were wrong

can we ban drago tofu

[willow vault]

What happened?

[dull ibex]

he made a read wrong and im bullying him

[molten oasis]

i made the wrong call

[charred saddle]

im going off, wanna shit

[dull ibex]

this is my cat when he wants food

[molten oasis]

true

[dull ibex]

nvm he just bites my mom's leg when he is hungry

true story btw.

[sharp cobalt]

I dont consent

[patent marsh]

@mighty stump only good thing I can say about WuWa is that the funny weapon banner is not an omega scam like genshin's

[mighty stump]

Wats up

Also my Calcharro/Jiyan does damage now 😎

[patent marsh]

guaranteed weapon is so good :Crying: all the pain from genshin

[mighty stump]

LOL

I assume you whaled for Yin Lin

[patent marsh]

ye

[mighty stump]

Shes cool

She plays very nicely too

[patent marsh]

just too bad I got no echo exp

[mighty stump]

But she feels exactly like Calcharro 2.0

Like down the to play

[patent marsh]

can't level all the echoes I accumilated for her 😭

[mighty stump]

oof

Just redeem the oscillated coral

exchange the 80 exp

[patent marsh]

gone

[mighty stump]

LOL

[patent marsh]

quite literally every echo exp that's buyable

is gone

and tacet fields barely give any

[mighty stump]

Im still farming echos

To get the relevant 5* echos

I probably need to do one for Havoc Rover cause I suspect Geshu Lin will be Havoc

[patent marsh]

who needs healers when jianxin does everything 😭

[mighty stump]

Lmaoo

[patent marsh]

also tomorrow I hit rank 40

finally get my 80:20 split on gold:purple echoes

[mighty stump]

Dang

Im still Union 36

gained 5 levels in the last 2 days

[patent marsh]

getting the first dupe makes him so good

[patent marsh]

I got like 100 echoes on thunder set to keep testing for good gear for her 💀

all er/electro damage cost 3 and atk% cost 1 excluding the 30 thundering mephes with crit dmg/crit rate main

[molten oasis]

congrats

[cyan smelt]

Pog

[willow vault]

Woo

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/1f47b5fb188cf6a9

[willow vault]

W reg G team

[molten oasis]

10/10 team

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublescustomgame-2137985040

[solid frigate]

metronome gaming

[sharp cobalt]

What dis

[patent marsh]

wuthering waves 💀

I would not recommend playing it in it's current state

I plan on dropping it if a lot of the issues isn't address in the next update in 20 days

[sharp cobalt]

Why the skull

[patent marsh]

refer to the reply under it

[sharp cobalt]

Hoki

[cyan smelt]

is grass a better tera for zama in order to avoid rage powder?

[charred saddle]

dah ada leaks changli sama jinhsi dah liat blm

ad gameplay leak changli setau gw

[mighty stump]

Dah liat

Yin Lin juga keren gameplaynya

Tapi gw gk akan pull

wkwk

[graceful flare]

Is tera fairy good for calyrex if I'm running focus sash

[sharp cobalt]

What

[cyan smelt]

i'm tempted to use tropius for wide guard

[willow vault]

Why not something like pelliper

[cyan smelt]

because of miraidon and bolt

[wet wedge]

The guy was completely winning then he played this

And lost the game on the spot.

[autumn vault]

That was a very braindead move

Is that UUbers?

[wet wedge]

Gen 7 OU lol

[autumn vault]

Oh

What doesn't change is that that turn was very good for you

[knotty mirage]

Can i get opinion on this kyogre team ?
https://pokepast.es/e28b864c7fb3f197

[autumn vault]

You forgot to use the remaining 4 evs on Landorus

Also surprised to see that your Tornadus doesn't have speed investment

I would run tera dark on tornadus to block prankster taunts from faster tornadus

[graceful flare]

Iron hands good without av?

[molten oasis]

yes

good with clear amulet or sitrus belly drum

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

can you say mean things to cresselia for me

[mighty stump]

Ok

Lunar Blessing can't heal "all my friends are dead" syndrome

Cresselia more like Cr-ass-elia

Cresselia is a good support... for the opponent to set up since you don't do anything

[cyan smelt]

ok i like this tech, roar incineroar for dealing with clef caly-s

[chrome knot]

ok thanks she’s flying around sinnoh ASLEEP and never comes to me

its annoying me

[mighty stump]

LOL

[chrome knot]

shiny croissant just teleporting around

[graceful flare]

No av iron hands ev spread

[autumn vault]

Cresselia has fallen off

[chrome knot]

no actually shes still flying and purposefully avoiding valley windworks and its neighbouring route

[autumn vault]

We get it, Cresselia is an annoying roaming pokemon

[chrome knot]

yes thank you

comparable to half of this chat

[mighty stump]

Oof

[autumn vault]

I still have PTSD of roaming Kanto Birds, Uxie and Cress in Platinum

Too many roaming pokemon

[chrome knot]

roaming is such a dumb mechanic

[autumn vault]

Agreed, just sad that they came back in BDSP

Literally no one wanted them back

[cyan smelt]

"faithful" remakes

[autumn vault]

Atleast Thundurus and Tornadus aren't super annoying in BW with the time judging if they should be in the south or north of unova

Atleast, what i remember

Also nice you get a master ball before the woman tells you about the genie causing trouble in route 7

[rustic mountain]

[charred saddle]

ez. 110 pull only

[mighty stump]

110????

YOU WHALE LOL

[charred saddle]

ga whale tot

itu saving

[solid frigate]

lmao

[charred saddle]

i didnt summon anything from any banner before summoning yinlin, got her at 70 winning 5050, weapon at 40

[mighty stump]

anying

[charred saddle]

[autumn vault]

Why is it when i want to spore amoonguss my Zekrom paralyzes the CIR when i don't want it to?

[craggy dagger]

skill issue-

[autumn vault]

Fuck, if it didn't palayze it i would have won since i would have hurt the CIR and would have had room to heal up my team with pollen puff

Some CTS strat i spot?

The regidrago just used Hyper Beam 💀

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump I DID ITTTTTTTTTTTT

[autumn vault]

I'm not tofu but congrats on the Cresselia

[mighty stump]

pog

[molten oasis]

Congrats

Cool, shiny? Is it shiny?

just had a thought, raging bolt went from the set up guy to the av guy, kingambit went from the av guy to the set up guy