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[bold geode]

The only reason I like it is because my friends are fucking stupid

[charred saddle]

okay but great movesets. thats subjective

[mighty stump]

...Just your friends?

[molten oasis]

lmao

[solid frigate]

Dude,Not all things are stat moments,Look at Indeedee,Clefairy and Even Umbreon got used in Reg G

[cyan smelt]

Bro I said when you posted your team here that you needed a legendary otherwise you weren't going to have a good time

[mighty stump]

Monke I will hold your hand gently when I tell you this

You too, are stupid.

[bold geode]

I was so out of it
A friend just had this statue of black Santa staring at me and I couldn't keep my shit together

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

What was it?

I'm so curious

[strange fjord]

he tanks surprisingly well. bro also has a helping hand in a tough spot. encore in TR to reverse TR is something i wanna do but no on has set TR yet

[charred saddle]

pin this shit

[gentle crag]

mickey._. (ID 113754866299568135)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
No one likes Monke. We just put up with him cause he's cute or.something

Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · May 24, 2024, 7:20 PM

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 446: Munchlax

Type

Normal

Abilities

Pickup, Thick Fat, Gluttony (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

135/85/40/40/85/5

Total

390

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

well, id run the second team but you do you

[solid frigate]

this is just too funny

[bold geode]

Honestly I'm fuckin ugly so idek

[mighty stump]

No, don't say that

You're just

Aesthetically challenged

[cyan smelt]

Wait maybe I had it confused with someone else

[mighty stump]

Oh

Shame

I was wondering what sort of tomfoolery this character has thought up

[cyan smelt]

Here it is @mighty stump

[solid frigate]

again thats Skill issue-

You aren't a Legend Spammer when you can Optimise it and not just random bullshit go on the Legendaries

Ahem. Dragon dance Dusk Mane

Seriously why

[mighty stump]

OH YEAH I SAW THAT, I must have just skimmed it out of sanity

[solid frigate]

funny thing is that Archaludon is not a Pseudo,

Well More like Semi Pseudo but i do not like that term soeh

[mighty stump]

Empoleon and Emboar my beloved you both blow so much ass

[molten oasis]

have had a few people like that recently

[mighty stump]

Well, Empoleon less so

Goated mon

[molten oasis]

empoleon is like, usable i think

[mighty stump]

Emperor of Reg E

[charred saddle]

i mean empoleon still gets a competitive

[solid frigate]

finally got a buff but its not enough from The Power Creep

[molten oasis]

emboar just isnt good lol

[cyan smelt]

I told him that with two steel types they're gonna have a rough time with any fighting or ground type

[molten oasis]

cool mon, not great in comp

[mighty stump]

I think the issues lie deeper than just the team...

[solid frigate]

and they forgot about Pokepaste

[bold geode]

And saved to camera roll

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

They can't, they said they played Showdown a bunch

The math isn't mathing

[strange fjord]

tbf this reg is kinda tough for a newbie to get into competitive for the first time

[mighty stump]

Correct

[molten oasis]

its a very volatile format

[mighty stump]

But it's also hard for a newbie to get into competitive for the first time with ignorant, pre-concieved notions

[solid frigate]

this Regulation is probably one of the hardest Regulations we have in SV

[molten oasis]

making 1 mistake can genuinely be game losing

[solid frigate]

I miss Reg F

[mighty stump]

As with any Regulation progress

[molten oasis]

on the other hand its a versatile format

umbreon just got third, latios won a regional

[mighty stump]

Higher power format = Less room for error

It's why I kept encouraging people to just keep playing even if you don't like the format

[charred saddle]

im biased with reg E but i feel reg E isnt as punishing as G and F

[mighty stump]

If you don't like the weaker format

[solid frigate]

damn I Miss Reg F

[mighty stump]

You're not gonna like the stronger format

[molten oasis]

double is probably gonna get harder

i mean, i like this format

even if it doesn't come off that way

margin of error being very very slim sucks but thats just the nature of the game

[solid frigate]

for sure,teambuilding is gonna be harder cuz you have to build Teams that circle around those two restricteds

[strange fjord]

i feel like doubles might be a bit easier since its no longer gonna be "aw damn, a zamazenta. guess my turtle is dead" deal

[solid frigate]

sed

[mighty stump]

I think doubles stabilises things a bit more

[strange fjord]

youre restricted doesnt need to hard carry alone

[mighty stump]

Your*

[charred saddle]

eh i think double restricted will prob help? since like then ur not like fixed to that single restricted, and ur more open to use like supportive restricteds

[molten oasis]

lol

[mighty stump]

omg Ho-Oh time

[molten oasis]

wide guard zama

[mighty stump]

Ho-Oh Zamazenta when

[bold geode]

Sigh
Fine

[charred saddle]

i can see zama and like lunala or some shit

[strange fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[solid frigate]

Lunala and Dialga are gonna be helpful for their Supportive Legendary role

[molten oasis]

im going to do, something with zac

probably start with zac ogre

[mighty stump]

Free thinker over here

[molten oasis]

ikr

totally not copying gen 8 or anything

[mighty stump]

Anyways

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[solid frigate]

Either Terapagos Rayquaza

Or i ball it with Terapagos Calyrex Shadow

[molten oasis]

nah i also kinda wanna try mirai zac

[mighty stump]

Back to this

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion

Let's take Shuckle, for example. You want it to sponge physical hits, so you give it a Bold nature with 252 Def EVs. Thus, its physical walling ability is:

181*614 = 111,134

Now let's compare that to a Shuckle with a Bold nature and 252 HP EVs.

244*551 = 134,444

134,444 is about a 20% increase from 111,134, which shows a lot about correctly distributing your EVs. Why is this the case? It's elementary math. When you multiply a factor by a percentage, the product will change by that percentage. If you have 100 HP, 100 Def, and SpD, and you double your HP, your Defensive and Specially Defensive walling capabilities will double as well.

This is a good rule of thumb when investing EVs into defensive stats: Maximize the lower stat first. If you can only spare 192 EVs for Skarmory's defense, put all of them in HP. When creating defensive EV spreads, the idea is to make your defensive stats as close together as possible.```

Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · May 28, 2024, 6:00 AM

[strange fjord]

imma do tortle and electric bike bc story legends

[mighty stump]

You don't get to learn something new every day

[molten oasis]

noted

[solid frigate]

Tortol Shadow Honse probably

[molten oasis]

ah that explains the hands ev spreads

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna be based and do koraidon and miraidon

[molten oasis]

and ting lu sometimes

[solid frigate]

i already played Tailwind Terapagos Balance,Why not add some more speed

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

have fun eating that

[strange fjord]

oh yeah, I thought of this when arguing what the optimal stat spread is for Munchlax a few months ago. good to think about it as EV decreasing the damage dealt.

[mighty stump]

If it's Eviolite

[molten oasis]

alr, im gonna play some matches, probably

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/watermelon-fast-eating-man-food-gif-13956382

[mighty stump]

Your greatest value is max max Def/SpDef

Since it's an additional 1.5x per stat

[solid frigate]

yep- Monke is confident on that

cuz he is using Zama

[bold geode]

Hehe
Zamazenta rise up

[solid frigate]

I wanna see if Caly S + Terapagos is gonna work

[molten oasis]

the warm up match is into registeel, ok then

[mighty stump]

https://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/ev_distribution#ideal_speed Good read in general, even if it is old

[solid frigate]

thats why Sacred Sword exists

[bold geode]

Aight
Bedtime

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[solid frigate]

gn Monke

[bold geode]

Good night Tofu

[mighty stump]

gn

[cyan smelt]

i like registeel, it's a funny bowling ball

[solid frigate]

wait why am i still awake in 7:36 am-

[solid frigate]

insert Reverb sound effect

[molten oasis]

yea i lost, figures

nothing i could really do

[cyan smelt]

did it have some weird tech

[molten oasis]

no its just idbp shit

my team doesnt have special attackers

[solid frigate]

eh fair enough

[solid frigate]

not even one?

[molten oasis]

if you count torn as a special attacker sure

[solid frigate]

I would say Torn is a Sp Attacker

[molten oasis]

well, like a dedicated one

[solid frigate]

ok then i only have Turtle and Chi Yu if you count dedicated ones

[molten oasis]

aaaaaaand theres the weakenss policy gimmick

bo1 sucks lol

[solid frigate]

it does so damn much

i hate how people still walk around with Muk Smeragle and build that team around them but not the Legendary

[charred saddle]

fuck, i was gonna make a team revolving palkia and gholdie, then i was thinking. "oh ursaluna might be good for TR and i did use it from tofu back then" guess what

[cyan smelt]

what's worse is muk smeargle with psych up caly-s

[strange fjord]

can believe i was sooo close ending 5-4 at the la regional. had like 3 really close game 3s . Next regional I'm going to I'm determined to make it to day 2.

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/5dc72e2668790868

basically its his team

[molten oasis]

lol, not much harm in it if he doesn't care about the team

[solid frigate]

its more like Muk and Smeargle as restricted more than Caly S most of the time with their teams

[charred saddle]

no i mean as in like his first team for palkia that he showed me

[solid frigate]

Cresselia in Reg G Gang

[molten oasis]

ah

[mighty stump]

LOL

HAHAHAHAH

[charred saddle]

i thought i got like an idea and then like ursaluna helps for flutter

[mighty stump]

Everything comes back to Tofu.

[charred saddle]

but then when i wanna use the like EVs and check on my teams set, "damn this looks familiar"

[mighty stump]

Guess wat I just found out

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 164 HP / 252+ Def Snorlax: 214-252 (83.5 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[solid frigate]

also just a question,did anyone thought that Terastalised (Any Pokemon Really) with 2x STAB Move would be super effective aainst Stellar Tera Type or is it Just me

[mighty stump]

What

[solid frigate]

idk i'm just stupid

[mighty stump]

Go to bed

Idk how much sleep it will take to heal your stupid but we can always try

Why does Chien-Pao still 2HKO me that's so annoying

[solid frigate]

i already slept for 4 hours before and worked on my stuff so yeah

Plus its almost 8 AM soooo

might as well

[strange fjord]

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 36 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 180-214 (83.7 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

munchlax is tanky

[strange fjord]

even with no HP its a low chance to OHKO

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Munchlax: 180-214 (85.7 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

holy fu

[cyan smelt]

plus it outspeeds caly-i and torkoal in tr

[mighty stump]

Caly-I literally never sets TR if it sees something potentially slower

and most of the time it almost doesn't even need it

[charred saddle]

CIR can just like sit and just glacial lance

its so tanky too so

[solid frigate]

isn't that like Virtually Every TR Mon's main concern-

[mighty stump]

er

Yer

-calc 257/4

[gentle crag]

Result: 64.250000

[solid frigate]

like if i face off against a Caly Ice Team with my Dawn Wings Team i hardly TR

[charred saddle]

but CIR care less about it especially it can do much and tank a lot, unlike torkoal which needs the hp for eruption

[mighty stump]

Wow

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. +1 164 HP / 252+ Def Snorlax: 216-256 (84.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[charred saddle]

and amoonguss cant do much damage, but its just plain annoying

[mighty stump]

Not like you wanna eat that but still

[solid frigate]

i forgot who said that Scarf Torkal-

Idk what the fu he is cooking

[charred saddle]

what the actual fuck

[molten oasis]

nah turbo torkoal is the play trust

[solid frigate]

moment when Not even Koraidon can beat the crap out of Snorlax

[mighty stump]

I mean

You wall the common moveset

[charred saddle]

i mean i dont think people run max adamant no

yawn

[mighty stump]

It's strongest neutral is like

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 164 HP / 252+ Def Thick Fat Tera-Ghost Snorlax in Sun: 100-118 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

[solid frigate]

some people do,i think Scarf?

[strange fjord]

snorlax vs munchlax stats

[charred saddle]

ah ye ye

[solid frigate]

that just,i'm sorry that just very depressing damage output-

[charred saddle]

atk on munchlax is crazy tho for some reason

[strange fjord]

both sets survive the zacian close comabt at 1 HP

[mighty stump]

Munchlax is probably gonna be more defensive, but Snorlax doesn't suffer from "all my friends are dead" syndrome

[molten oasis]

there was a cc zacian in top 16 right?

[strange fjord]

142 attack vs 133 attack

similar enough tbf

[mighty stump]

can you 1v1 Zamazenta

[strange fjord]

snorlax has the item advantage over munchlax tho

[mighty stump]

or 2v1 it with Chien-Pao

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/24eb68e3d5b690ad

h u h-

https://pokepast.es/e7e06a8652371f67

i swear Showdown players-

https://pokepast.es/ac1e80cb5d212232

THIS ONE IS NOT EVEN FINISHED

[charred saddle]

this is funny for some reason

max max
max max
max max

and then 44 spA on amoonguss

no cudgel on ogerpon

[mighty stump]

What happened to Sacred Fire

[solid frigate]

also Band Ho-Oh

[charred saddle]

i mean kinda makes sense that its sunny day? but like

oh fuck right no sacred

[strange fjord]

Munchlax is bulkier but slightly less offensive snorlax. snorlax actually gets an item slot which can tilt it in its favor.

but surprising that little munch guy is similar enough to big sleepy guy

[solid frigate]

Somebody pls kill me

[mighty stump]

You also take more to Heavy Slam, and Knock Off ruins your day

[charred saddle]

idk why are you looking there tho

[mighty stump]

Knock Off kinda important

[solid frigate]

why is Lando With Psychic-

[charred saddle]

dont see the problem?

i did run a scarf lando I with psychic

helps playing against amoonguss

[solid frigate]

i mean i assume people would just ran Sub Protect Earth Power Sludge Bomb-

[charred saddle]

well its CTS and people doesnt care that much in showdown

[strange fjord]

heavy slam usually not that important. knock off makes me cry tho. also munchlax gets a limited movepool of snorlax which really makes me cry

[mighty stump]

Zamazenta:

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna see if there is more showdown players sauce

[cyan smelt]

look at their elo and gxe first

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/bc37a6aa93eff07a

Uhhhh what- 1308 with GXE of 51.8%

[mighty stump]

LOL

[solid frigate]

it looks fine but why is ting lu here-

[mighty stump]

How are you getting their EVs

[mighty stump]

Does it

Does it really

[solid frigate]

they just posted on the VGC chat and i just yoinked their team

[solid frigate]

idk what they are thinking honestly

[strange fjord]

where you getting these teams tho

[cyan smelt]

part of getting good at teambuilding is building bad teams that don't work first

[solid frigate]

VGC Chat in Showdown-

[strange fjord]

oh, maybe i should submit my Zoro-Turtle Team there

[cyan smelt]

tbh the only teams worth looking at are the teams of the week

[solid frigate]

i suggest no- but sure

[solid frigate]

i just wanna see what the heck are they cooking

[cyan smelt]

teams of the week are good teams built by good players i think

[solid frigate]

they are

but what makes it funny to see other players try took cook

[molten oasis]

6-0 in bo3 so far

[cyan smelt]

pog

i need to try my team in bo3

[molten oasis]

i think i'll stop there today and go back to hunting tornadus

in dynamax adventures

thrilling

[solid frigate]

looking good

[mighty stump]

im so lazy to calc n the calcs just don’t look elegant omg

im losing it

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/83a261d330a3b557

My Brain wants to die

[cyan smelt]

base calyrex?

[solid frigate]

Showdown players are just something else

[molten oasis]

maybe do smth else and come back later to it

[charred saddle]

who the fuck uses ghost tera caly S the fuck

i got fucking spooked playing it

[timber falcon]

Many people I think

27%

[mighty stump]

Basically everyone

They also never click Protect

[charred saddle]

i mean i won because they for some reason really didnt have protect

end game was ghost terad bear + cress against 3% ghost tera caly

TR 1 turn left

[charred saddle]

bang, what do you think about AV vikavolt?

discharge tbolt buzz voltswitch

[mighty stump]

uninstall

[timber falcon]

Specs or scarf?

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

Nope

They’re always Sash

They just never click Protect

[charred saddle]

nah they used different move in the game after astral

[timber falcon]

Why

[mighty stump]

Guaranteed

Because

[charred saddle]

which is weird

[mighty stump]

Players are stupid as shit

[charred saddle]

prob a 4 move no protect

[mighty stump]

No they do

I can guarantee you

They have Protect

They literally just dont care

[charred saddle]

bro they def won then

the fuck?

[mighty stump]

I swear

[charred saddle]

bro just protect the last turn

[mighty stump]

Every Tera Ghost Caly has Protect

[charred saddle]

and u win bro

[mighty stump]

They just dont

[molten oasis]

would any of you happen to have a dynamax adventure with tornadus? im sick of this hunt

[charred saddle]

i can give u a tornadus from go, got spares

[molten oasis]

would love that so much

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

oh cool you got a shiny one too

how long did that take?

[charred saddle]

i only did the raid 6 times so ye

[molten oasis]

ah, cool

[charred saddle]

5th try, got lucky

[molten oasis]

anyway any of those works, obv not the shiny lol

[charred saddle]

ofc not

gimme a sec

[molten oasis]

if you're willing, id appreciate it

[charred saddle]

can you do home trade?

moving this to dm btw

[molten oasis]

yea

[charred saddle]

what the actual mother fucking god is this

[willow vault]

Tera ground??

I get miraidon is scary but like still a weird choice

[cyan smelt]

is it for chi-yu too

[molten oasis]

Ah, yea

Ive seen this before. Annoying to come across

[timber falcon]

If Tera blast then I also assume Incin

[sharp cobalt]

interesting

[upbeat quail]

Guess I gotta hop off zama now 😦

Anyone got any solid balance teams?

[midnight compass]

I dont really understand what the point of playing Showdown is? I personally love the in game competition in scarlet in violet

[sharp cobalt]

Its an easy way to construct teams and practice them, and change it up as needed without much actual work

If you test a team in SV only, you'll have to use EV lowering berries constantly, resources to craft TMs, time to teach egg moves etc, while its done in a second in Showdown

Hope that helps

[cyan smelt]

should i test my team in bo3

[foggy lodge]

What's the team

?

[cyan smelt]

zama, rilla, flutter, torn, rotom-w and regidrago

[solid frigate]

just go 2 hour sleep

[willow vault]

Just go 2 hours sleep?

[solid frigate]

more like a nap

[willow vault]

Idk, I keep seeing you on discord at like 5am, not a healthy habit

[solid frigate]

i have insomnia

[willow vault]

Oh

[sharp cobalt]

[willow vault]

I’m gonna go back into hiding now, I feel embarrassed

[molten oasis]

Paste?

[sharp cobalt]

You went off of what is considered normal, not a great mistake

[willow vault]

I’m sorry

[sharp cobalt]

Big mistake* I meant to say, its not a huge mistake to make

[mighty stump]

Everyone and their mother using Calm Mind Clear Amulet Calyrex-Shadow Rider

[willow vault]

Oh

Nooooooooo

My snarling strats

[sharp cobalt]

I guess its left you... snarling

[willow vault]

No

It’s left me in the same state I’ve been in for hours, panic

[sharp cobalt]

[willow vault]

So many essay , yes I know a real job is harder I’m just not working hard enough

[sharp cobalt]

I wouldnt say so

Everyone's experience of smth is relative. If you think this is hard, then it is. For you

[charred saddle]

[sharp cobalt]

Ppl who go '3rd world countries have it HaRdEr' dont know how your mind works

I mean, people with depression get told to 'just get up and get over it cuz its all in their head' and like... thats the POINT. But its hard for them.

[willow vault]

I mean I don’t particularly know how the brain works

[sharp cobalt]

Thats the beauty. Everyone's works differently

[willow vault]

It’s a very complex part of our anatomy

[sharp cobalt]

Which is exactly why no one gets to judge how another's works

[willow vault]

Thanks, I don’t feel much better but you are right

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to pocketpoof

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/6ededccdbf3a8daa

[sharp cobalt]

Anytime gotta go do some shoppin now so bbl (be back later)

[willow vault]

Have fun

I’m going back to the library

[cyan smelt]

thinkin bout adding wide guard on zama for all the spread moves

or pelipper to protect against spread

and chi-yu

[molten oasis]

Take it into bo3 and see how it performs

[timber falcon]

Omg I lost on level 195 on pokerouge

Why

The npcs actually know what they’re doing

[autumn vault]

Btw don't overlevel for wave 200, the enemy has an attack that does double damage when you overlevel them and they are at the cap of wave 191-200 of 200 levels

Trust me, it will be worth it

[timber falcon]

Bruh

[autumn vault]

You can only overlevel with candies, unless its for getting higher levels without overlevelling them i would avoid it

[timber falcon]

Aight

[graceful flare]

Wich nature gives less speed and more atack

[modern cliff]

Any of you play single?

@molten oasis

[molten oasis]

most of us dont play singles

i dont play singles

[molten oasis]

brave (physical attack) or quiet (special attack) nature

[modern cliff]

Oh my friend said that twe cant use legends

[molten oasis]

probably refering to smogon, idk

[modern cliff]

im want a team using Archaludon

the team is Archaludon Ceruledge Torterra Primarina zacian who would you put in a team with him

what pokemon would you use? @molten oasis

[molten oasis]

for doubles or singles?

[modern cliff]

singles

[molten oasis]

i cant answer reliably for singles

yea idk wahts good or bad in that format

[modern cliff]

say what you think

[molten oasis]

i think i have no idea

[modern cliff]

anything good be bad

[molten oasis]

dude im just not the person to ask

[modern cliff]

Who to ask then

[molten oasis]

if possible you can get shiro

[modern cliff]

can i at him?

[molten oasis]

yes

[modern cliff]

Whats his discord?

[molten oasis]

just ping him here

you can also try getting adivce from the official (i think) pokemon server

[modern cliff]

there so many shiros

[molten oasis]

they play mostly singles

[bold geode]

@summer shore

[molten oasis]

@summer shore

shit

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

did you watch the thing i sent you monke

[summer shore]

Ping

[modern cliff]

Shiro can you help me?

[summer shore]

Are you playign showdown or in game singles

[bold geode]

Wha

[modern cliff]

ingame singles

this is the pokemon that was thinking the team is Archaludon Ceruledge Torterra Primarina

[molten oasis]

i pinged you about a meme

[summer shore]

Ok idk about those mons

[modern cliff]

just tell me what to replace

[bold geode]

Nah I'll do all of those things

[summer shore]

I don't play in game singles but i will direct you to the best place for resources on in game singles

Give me a second ill grab a link

[molten oasis]

[modern cliff]

and i cant use legends

Thats one of the rule

[summer shore]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/battle-stadium-singles.532/

Take a peep at the pinned threads

[molten oasis]

why is that a rule?

[modern cliff]

Dont know

[molten oasis]

who imposed the rule

[modern cliff]

My friends

[molten oasis]

...i see, have fun with that

[summer shore]

Go to the reg g viability rankings and take ur pick at the non-restricteds from highest tier down

In game singles is pretty offensively geared so you should be ok with grabbing the stronger offensive threats

[modern cliff]

Shiro can you make one with Archaludon

[bold geode]

@summer shore

Hello @summer shore

[graceful flare]

What's the best caly ice tltera type

Tera

[molten oasis]

water fire or grass depending on what you need

water is the most widely used tera

[modern cliff]

Would you help me make one?

[graceful flare]

Is fighting good bc I have close combat

[molten oasis]

no

and you should have high horsepower

[modern cliff]

Would help me?

[modern cliff]

Can you pm me it?

[modern cliff]

Would this work Archaludon Flutter Mane Sneasler Incineroar Primarina Gliscor

@summer shore ?

[graceful flare]

What's the most consistent way to set up tr

[solid frigate]

Follow Me Indeedee then TR with Caly Ice

[polar canyon]

Get a miraidon or calyrex or something

[modern cliff]

No legends rule

[polar canyon]

In battle stadium singles?

[modern cliff]

yep

[polar canyon]

Yeah you can have one legendary now

[modern cliff]

This a battle between friends

[polar canyon]

I wonder what the meta looks like

Damn I wouldn't be going out asking for tips if it's just friendly stuff

Well do you have access to urshifu

[modern cliff]

I just dont know whats a good team

[polar canyon]

If your friend is on the same skill level as you then anything you come up with should be on par with theirs

[modern cliff]

what abily for Sneasler

[solid frigate]

Unburden

[polar canyon]

Unburden

You could do close combat with a white herb

[modern cliff]

Do you use Liquid Voice?

[polar canyon]

In doubles yes

[modern cliff]

So i should change it

[polar canyon]

If singles just go with torrent

[graceful flare]

I run protect tr hyper voice and helping hand on it

[willow vault]

If you want to make a team for a single battle with your friends. Go on munch stats, search ou and pick some of the best pokemon from the tier you have access to, not including legendaries. It will tell you the best items, tera’s movesets abilities and ev spreads that should get you started. @modern cliff

[polar canyon]

Munchstats dot com

[modern cliff]

Wheres that?

[polar canyon]

Munchstats dot com

[willow vault]

On the internet, munchstats.com

[grim flare]

My indeedee is imprison trick room setup

[solid frigate]

no hyper voice

[solid frigate]

this one is way better

[polar canyon]

Follow me is really good to have

[graceful flare]

I get taunted and truggle

Leaned that from cresslia

[grim flare]

If that happened switch out

[solid frigate]

use Psychic or something-

[polar canyon]

It's hard to taunt an indeedee because prankster users can't do it in psychic terrain

[modern cliff]

im on the sv bss viability rankings regulation

[grim flare]

His might not have that and that’s why he is adding an attacking move

[polar canyon]

Not have psychic surge?

That's the entire point of indeedee

[grim flare]

Yeah

Cause he said he gets taunted and struggles

[solid frigate]

Psychic Surge+Follow me TR

[polar canyon]

With cresselia

[grim flare]

Oooooh

I thought you meant indeedee

[modern cliff]

Can you show me where to find the OU thing on here?

[polar canyon]

Munchstats.com

What about levitate

[solid frigate]

you can taunt a Levitate/flying type in Terrain so idk

[grim flare]

I love Dragonite

[polar canyon]

You're using chien + dragonite?

[grim flare]

That’s a good idea I’m doing that

[polar canyon]

Oh what were you using then

That's what people do with dragonite for like over a year now right?

[grim flare]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

since Reg C

[grim flare]

I was using extreme speed + tailwind + fire punch + dragon dance dragonite

[polar canyon]

Oh damn you should rethink that

[solid frigate]

Choice Band E-Speed : )

[polar canyon]

Choice band tera extreme speed with sword of ruin is why people used it

And with inner focus for the ability instead of multiscale

[grim flare]

It works for me

[solid frigate]

damn people is still milking on Wolfey''s Caly S Team-

[grim flare]

But I can try something different

[polar canyon]

The clefairy one?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[grim flare]

Or silk scarf and Tera normal boosted works too?

[polar canyon]

Preferably choice band

It's a much bigger boost

You can have moves like outrage and earthquake for when you can't use espeed

[modern cliff]

Archaludon is not in ou

[grim flare]

I’ve never ran a choice item in my life

[solid frigate]

i somehow read the Tera on the Calyrex-

and they still FO my Terapagos who is COVERT CLOAK

[grim flare]

Has anyone tried to use pikachu before?

Ik this is an extremely weird question but I love him

[dusty gate]

If you're doing BSS you should probably be looking at mons not OU wise but BSS wise no?

[modern cliff]

Well im new to this

[solid frigate]

BSS does not ban anything besides Mythicals and Event stuff so yeah you have more stuff to use

[modern cliff]

What does BSS stands for?

[solid frigate]

Battle Stadium Singles

[modern cliff]

Is that in Munch?

[dusty gate]

Yeah, search BSS.

You'll want Gen 9 BSS Reg G

[modern cliff]

Yea but most of his team mates is legends

[solid frigate]

also Archaludon is GOATED on Rain Teams

[dusty gate]

Is that just restricted legends or any legends?

[modern cliff]

Well me and my mates have a rule that we cant use legends

[solid frigate]

your friends have skill issue fr-

[dusty gate]

So any I presume, in that cause you'll just want to look at non-legends, like Shiro said you can check viability rankings on Smogon forums, if you click on a mon there it'll give details on ways you can use it, move selections, items, EVs ect.

[dusty gate]

[solid frigate]

Like i don't even care about that,i just gonna murder them with Tortol

[modern cliff]

Would this work Archaludon Flutter Mane Sneasler Incineroar Primarina Gliscor

[modern cliff]

Whats all the aces thats not legends

[dusty gate]

I'm not sure what you mean.

[dusty gate]

I don't play the format so I can't give any advice, I expect you'll be able to find guides on teambuilding in the Smogon forums as well though, if not then somewhere else.

[solid frigate]

wtf are you saying- I don't really get it

[modern cliff]

Like the mains that you base your team around

[solid frigate]

usually you revolve only one maybe two mons on a single team

to make a cohesive Team

[modern cliff]

Becouse all Archaludon teammates on Munch are all legends

[solid frigate]

because they are good with Archauldon

[modern cliff]

Ik just the rule that i have

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/50aef5aac657760f

My Example in Reg F

[modern cliff]

Well with that we have banned 3 pokemon from that

[dusty gate]

3?

I can see 2.

[solid frigate]

ok wait a minute, How is Raging Bolt Banned-

[modern cliff]

its a legend

[dusty gate]

It's not though.

[solid frigate]

its a Paradox that looks like Raikou

uhhhhhhh

[graceful flare]

Help with team accident first one

[charred saddle]

theyre talking about their own set of rules of no legends

[dusty gate]

Ik but Raging Bolt isn't a legend.

[charred saddle]

fuck thats true HAHAHAHA

[solid frigate]

bolt is not a Legendary-

[graceful flare]

Well then illegally smuggle mythical into vgc

[charred saddle]

well suck it up ig

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon and Urshifu are Sub Legendaries

[dusty gate]

[graceful flare]

Sub legendary?

[solid frigate]

but like why Skill Issue

[solid frigate]

Yeah

[dusty gate]

Legendaries that aren't restricted.

[graceful flare]

That's not a thing

It's legendary

Now I get it

[solid frigate]

ummmmmm

Weather Genies,Sword of Justice,Kanto Birds,Legendary Beasts,Latis,Heatran,Cresselia and Regigigas,Tapus,Regis

[autumn vault]

The kekhands are real on I'm

[modern cliff]

Because its a form of one

[charred saddle]

ok first of all, no one will actually do like help you from 0

unless for some reason someone is being so kind,

we usually only do like seek advice by making a team beforehand and posting pokepaste

[next stump]

He’s a lost cause, I tried explaining that process yesterday to him :/

[dusty gate]

Oh I see.

[charred saddle]

if u dont have any competitive experience or like any rules u and ur friends, start by the basics

ah ok

[solid frigate]

its actually hilarious that there are more people who does that

[modern cliff]

You mean me?

[charred saddle]

apparently based on context, yes

[modern cliff]

Its just the rule that we have

[solid frigate]

yeah we have a rule of that in my friend Group but we quickly Abandoned it due to how boring it is

[charred saddle]

well then goodluck

at least help us help you

thats the least u can do

[solid frigate]

Legendaries Spice up how you play and i think Gen 9 can handle Legends well with so many good ones

[chrome knot]

remind me never scroll up in chat

[dusty gate]

Emma don't scroll up.

[charred saddle]

scroll up plez

[chrome knot]

i don’t wanna

i read raging bolt being banned bc its a “form” of a legendary then gave up trying to understand the context

[modern cliff]

Thats what my friend said

not me

Just becouse it a form of the dogs from gen2

[dusty gate]

p sure you could apply that logic to Carbink and Diancie then

[charred saddle]

[chrome knot]

lmao

[next stump]

this is a competitive chat, that mindset is inherently not competitive lol

[chrome knot]

said this yesterday no lie

[solid frigate]

Diancie is a Mythical so does that mean Carbink is a Mythical lol

[next stump]

if you're not playing smogon or VGC, just go to general

[solid frigate]

honestly,anything that is not Competitve Related,just go to Gen Chat

[dusty gate]

Plus Shiro already gave advice and I don't feel people play BSS here so kinda hard to help there.

[modern cliff]

Ik that its just they banned it

not me

[charred saddle]

then we cant help you

dont see a reason for us to learn a new set of rules just to help you gain nothing

[modern cliff]

i had a team ready with Koraidon but just got told i cant use him

[solid frigate]

ok your friends have a Skill issue

like legit.

[dusty gate]

Well you've given a list of mons you're thinking about there, maybe take a look at their info on Smogon forums and see if you can find synergies/put something together there, these are all B+ and above mons on their rankings so there's likely a wealth of info on sets.

[dusty gate]

[solid frigate]

honestly,if you can't deal with Legendaries you have actual skill issue-

[modern cliff]

Well i wasnt sure it would work out

[sharp cobalt]

Eh, it depends, one of my friends has an aversion to using any legendary, so he doesn't

[dusty gate]

You can't be sure until you try it out.

[modern cliff]

cant you kill a koraidon with a flutter main

[solid frigate]

well duh its quad effective Moonblast against a Fighting Dragon

[dusty gate]

Yeah, it's 4x weak to fairy plus Flutter is a very stupid mon.

[sharp cobalt]

Its not stupid

[dusty gate]

You're also not a Flutter Mane.

[sharp cobalt]

But Flutter Mane is a friend

[solid frigate]

now you see why no Legendaries rule is stupid when Flutter Mane exists-

[sharp cobalt]

I mean

It really depends on what rules you use. If you, as a community of battlers, can come to a no-legend rule, why not

And if we go bu Smogon formats, Palafin, Annihilape and Flutter were all overbearing on the OU format

Personally I quite like creative teambuilding. It just doesnt really exist in comp pokemon.

[charred saddle]

i dont get what you mean?

u can definitely get creative

[strange fjord]

No legendary pokemon. cosmog op fr

[dusty gate]

It do be restricted.

[charred saddle]

u can literally do anything u want, just that it prob wont be that much of a comparison to the meta, but thats the same to like almost anything in life

[sharp cobalt]

Most VGC teams tend to be quite similar. Incineroars flying around. Raging Bolt, too

[strange fjord]

cant have things like cosmoem running on ladder. itll break the meta

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Nova:

[charred saddle]

different sets, different spreads.

[modern cliff]

What will kill this team?

[sharp cobalt]

Same pokemon tho

But that's just my experieince

[lofty tartan]

People have a weird understanding that using the good mons or top mons isn't creative because other people use them.

They moreso mean niche or underused.

[solid frigate]

Ground,Steel,Poison and Ice

[sharp cobalt]

Lesser used

[lofty tartan]

Stepping into a competitive area like this with a mindset teetered against competitive players

[charred saddle]

same pokemon =/= same usage

[sharp cobalt]

But I used to mostly plaly monotype singles

[modern cliff]

Does the team counter them?

[charred saddle]

like u can have specs flutter as like main damage, or flutter speed booster or sash with icy wind or taunt suppoer

[solid frigate]

if you give me the Movesets then maybe

[charred saddle]

like thats a very different case

[strange fjord]

Ursaluna Bloodmoon for instance can be a fast tailwind user or a slow TR sweeper

[modern cliff]

I havent made that part was just thinking of the types

[lofty tartan]

Just use whatever you're thinking about and stop spending so much time on it. Most anything will work.

[solid frigate]

I love BM Ursa, probably my second favourite comp Mon

[solid frigate]

JUST MAKE THE MOVESETS

[charred saddle]

earlier usage is like TR bm ursaluna, then people started to learn that u can do turboluna

the first guy who did turbo luna and brought it to regionals

thats not creative?

[sharp cobalt]

As Herbie put it, I prefer seeing underused and niche stuff

[lofty tartan]

That's not necessarily what I said but sure

[sharp cobalt]

And as I also said, Ive mostly played monotype smogon singles

[solid frigate]

I mean we finally see Umbreon worked right

[modern cliff]

How do i use that thing you did?

[solid frigate]

just use showdown to build your team then send a Pokepaste to here

[charred saddle]

eh okok

[sharp cobalt]

I wasnt there to see it, but quite glad and asked people on reddit what sets were used

[modern cliff]

Whats pokepaste?

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by ml_lacius. Message from · Feb 20, 2024, 6:08 PM

[solid frigate]

are you kidd-

[sharp cobalt]

But from my experience in monotype singles, deviating from the norm is just bad for most types. Gen 7 Grass was always the same core of 4 pokemon

[solid frigate]

WHY PEOPLE STILL DON'T KNOW ABOUT PASTE-

[lofty tartan]

Applying monotype singles experience to this is not the way.

[sharp cobalt]

Theyre probably new

[sharp cobalt]

Im aware. But Ive played it for near a decade

[solid frigate]

that is not an excuse when some new players know what showdown is

[lofty tartan]

Okay. Gain new experiences.

🤷

[sharp cobalt]

Except it often feels like VGC players and monotype players arent that different

[strange fjord]

idk

[sharp cobalt]

Abrasive

[lofty tartan]

It's not even remotely about the players.

[sharp cobalt]

To say the very least

[strange fjord]

singles and vgc is a very game

[sharp cobalt]

In all fairness, I never used pokepaste until like, 3 years on showdown

[lofty tartan]

If you think VGC players are abrasive why are you interacting with them?

[molten oasis]

[sharp cobalt]

Because I want to gain the experiences and am lacking them

[molten oasis]

play the game

[lofty tartan]

You don't gain experiences from other people. You gain them yourself.

[charred saddle]

tbf, like if people knew about showdown but not paste thats not like bad, u can learn

but its a different case if u are given advice and told to learn, but they didnt listen and still ask for help

[sharp cobalt]

But getting advice and feedback on teams is useful. I know jack-all about VGC, other than protect being useful

[lofty tartan]

Getting advice and getting experience are wholly different roads, friendo.

[sharp cobalt]

Dont refer to me as friend unless I am one, thanks

[lofty tartan]

They are two important, but very very different things.

[molten oasis]

you can get all the feedback on teams that you want, if you're not playing the team that feedback gets you nowhere

[lofty tartan]

Who is the abrasive one?

[sharp cobalt]

I am directly ggiving a boundary as they've been crossed many, many times and people ignore it

[modern cliff]

How do you paste?

[lofty tartan]

Anyway - that's the truth. If you want to gain experience in VGC, you just gotta play the game. Make a team or take a rental and play it. Asking for advice and then applying monotype singles rationality to it without trying to understand the advice given to you at face value probably doesn't help.

Then you get this cyclical argument thing

[sharp cobalt]

Do you know how to copy and paste?

[modern cliff]

I mean the pokepaste

[sharp cobalt]

The only monotype single rationale I am applying is that teams seem to be similar quite often

[charred saddle]

well because its monotype?

theres like even less pool there.

[dusty gate]

@modern cliff

[sharp cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/

Take this empty link. Go to your showdown team, importt/export and copy the team into it

[lofty tartan]

Teams are similar because people want to use what's good because that's smart. There's only so many good things and the rest are either barely usable or unusable niche stuff

[sharp cobalt]

And that idea saddens me and demotivates me

[lofty tartan]

Incin/Rilla are on a lot of teams because they play nice together and play nice with others.

[molten oasis]

theres also a button on the screen your team is on in the teambuilder

[sharp cobalt]

Here

[lofty tartan]

I mean if you want a format that forces you to use niche stuff, just play Smogon. VGC is not for people who want to use underutilized pokemon because it's somehow better than using strong pokemon with good move pools

[modern cliff]

Like this https://pokepast.es/8002ca795d7eb284

[lofty tartan]

Wolfe is like an exception to the whole underutilized pokes thing. Dude is very skilled, so he could win with basically whatever.

[sharp cobalt]

Good job

[sharp cobalt]

Probably not whatever, but with a lot

[lofty tartan]

And player skill is a huge factor in a pokemon's performance, and it's a commonly overlooked factor.

[charred saddle]

wolfe got the basics

[molten oasis]

if you wanna win with niche things you do need to get really good at the game

know how to build around the mons, play well, etc

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah Ive like half a team idea made with Monke

Just never finished it

Well, two halves

[modern cliff]

How is it?

[sharp cobalt]

Uhm, Id not use dark pulse on flutter, you already have ghost stab

Dark and ghost tend to cover similar things

[modern cliff]

Tell me what to replace?

[sharp cobalt]

Replace dark pulse with a valuable coverage movoe

[modern cliff]

and other pokemon change

[sharp cobalt]

Determine what you lack coverage for, and then grab a move countering that typpe

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[sharp cobalt]

On Flutter

[sharp cobalt]

If Im saying smth wrong, speak up or poor Cerberus will suffer consequences

[modern cliff]

Like if i need change one pokemon to a diffent one

[molten oasis]

why, let him learn the hard way

i feel you get more value from things from experience

[sharp cobalt]

No, thats cruel and unnecessary

[modern cliff]

Arnt your role is a helper?

[sharp cobalt]

Im not sure tbh, Idk the BSS meta

[molten oasis]

im not a comp helper no

[sharp cobalt]

What are good TR mons for reg G?

[molten oasis]

also, idk BSS meta i dont have a place to ask

[solid frigate]

[modern cliff]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-bss-viability-rankings-regulation-g.3717293/

[sharp cobalt]

Im tryna build around this Indeedee-F I have

[solid frigate]

Indeedee,Caly Ice mostly

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah ive one half with Caly-I and BM-Ursa and another with Lunala and reg Ursaluna

So the question is, what do I add to the other half

[solid frigate]

Susie (Indeedee-F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Follow Me
• Psychic
• Trick Room
• Imprison

This one is that one i used often

[modern cliff]

@sharp cobalt you see what i sent?

[autumn vault]

Is Cerberus like 1UK3? Just asking and it seems that they are getting a lot of advice

[sharp cobalt]

They're willinng to take it so far

[sharp cobalt]

No, Im not qualified to help, sorry

[autumn vault]

Like how far?

[sharp cobalt]

No clue, but Idk who plays BSS here

[autumn vault]

I only played it in Reg A

[modern cliff]

Well this is the first time doing this

[autumn vault]

And a bit in reg B

[sharp cobalt]

Think you can be of help?

[autumn vault]

I agree since i hate Reg B more than all the other Regulations

[autumn vault]

Nah i forgor

[sharp cobalt]

Rip

[molten oasis]

the problem with helping him is that we dont have experience in the format not many people play

so our advice could be flawed

[solid frigate]

i feel like is just not that much

[autumn vault]

I play UU but 6v6 with specific mons is way diffeent from 3v3 with almost anything allowed

[modern cliff]

It was my mates that wanted singles

[bold geode]

Yeah
The most experience I have with it is when I would bullshit around in Poke Ball tier of singles in Reg C while eating

[sharp cobalt]

Y e pp

[molten oasis]

your friends should change to doubles because its just better

[autumn vault]

Depends what people want

[sharp cobalt]

Monke, are you available and willing to help with that tr team build we started?

[solid frigate]

singles Cringe Doubles cool

[bold geode]

You have friends? Cringe

[molten oasis]

wooooow

[sharp cobalt]

Still subjective

[molten oasis]

we're just tools to you then monke

[bold geode]

LOl

[autumn vault]

They don't care

[molten oasis]

bad friend

[solid frigate]

Doubles is just way more fun for me,i have bad memories when i play Gen 7 OU

[molten oasis]

thanks captain obvious

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[bold geode]

I gotta get spreads somehow bro

[modern cliff]

@summer shore

[autumn vault]

Reminder that Mickey in the pins said that no one likes you, this is one reason why

[sharp cobalt]

Blame Toxapex, I still do

[molten oasis]

maybe i wont give you my spreads anymore

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

wait its in pins

[modern cliff]

Can you ask someone that knows singles?

[molten oasis]

LMFAO i did not know that was in pins

[molten oasis]

i dont know anyone else

[sharp cobalt]

What is that last pin

[molten oasis]

a jab at the most annoying regular here

[bold geode]

Wha? No

[upbeat quail]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on Umbreon? Niche pick by a good player at LA or actually a solid pick into the meta?

[sharp cobalt]

Monke isn't so bad

[bold geode]

Me annoying? Never

[autumn vault]

Monke's hand, probably isn't cute (jk)

[molten oasis]

dont deny it

[autumn vault]

(We don't know how he looks)

[molten oasis]

good for mons that struggle with calyrex (both) and lunala/dawn wings

[sharp cobalt]

Moon catdogfox goes BAP

[autumn vault]

Good into the Calyrexs, struggles against Zama Zacian Koraidon

So not super good into the meta

[molten oasis]

im potentially taking that 6 up to NAIC

[bold geode]

Me annoying? Never

[bold geode]

Drago knows

[molten oasis]

its filling a role to help with poor mu's

[autumn vault]

True, i mean just look at that Special Bulk

[sharp cobalt]

What was the other website that had pokemon appearances listed? Piikalytics doesnt have reg g yet

[upbeat quail]

I’ve been running umbreon on ladder recently and it’s been pretty solid not gonna lie, but yeah it struggles against half of the restricteds.

[autumn vault]

Munchstats?

[dusty gate]

For specifically BSS advice this doesn't seem like the place for that, you can probably look elsewhere online for more specific advice on the format, there's probably discussion on it you can find on Smogon. There's also a BSS discord server iirc.

[sharp cobalt]

Thank

[molten oasis]

like, the whole purpose of it was to help with zacian's poorer mu's into caly which it struggles against

[molten oasis]

thats just the nature of the game

[autumn vault]

Getting a really good MU into the Calyrex is very nice

Plus it helps with Lunala and NDW MUs

It dies to Urshifu, Zama, Zacian and Koraidon

[molten oasis]

good mon imo

[modern cliff]

this is the only discord i have for pokemon

[molten oasis]

its not meta defining

but i think its a good option to shut things down like trick room or yawn pressure the set up guy

[solid frigate]

its a good niche pick against idk the strongest Restricteds-

[bold geode]

Lyco the only way I can describe how I look
A white washed man that plays Pokemon and wears gym shorts while doing it

[molten oasis]

id say off meta

but yea

[sharp cobalt]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

[autumn vault]

*Slightest idea

[molten oasis]

its good i like the umbreon

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[bold geode]

I mean Drago knows it's true lmao

[solid frigate]

wait is that your favourite Eeveelution-

[sharp cobalt]

Is Incin good on Caly--I TR teams

[molten oasis]

yea monke describes is accurately

[molten oasis]

no its sylveon by a large margin

[autumn vault]

With Will-O-Wisp or Knock off then yes

[solid frigate]

Yes

[solid frigate]

my Favourite is Espeon and sadly not much usage and potential

[autumn vault]

My favourite Eeveelution is Umbreon

[bold geode]

Like just think of a white guy named Dave lmao

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 196: Espeon

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Synchronize, Magic Bounce (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/65/60/130/95/110

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

fr

[solid frigate]

Miserable

[sharp cobalt]

So Incin in the Caly-I team... and for Lunala?

[molten oasis]

i mean, incin is just

usable on anything

[sharp cobalt]

Incin on both

[autumn vault]

In your profile i see Damion on the spotify account

Yes i check profiles deeply any problem?

[bold geode]

What

Oh fuck

[sharp cobalt]

What spread would you suggest for a TR Incin?

[bold geode]

Lmao I thought I changed that

I did? Why the fuck it still show that then

[molten oasis]

Incineroar (F) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 156 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature

• Knock Off
• Will-O-Wisp
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

[timber falcon]

The usual works, thought u might go min spee pd if u feel like it

[next stump]

what's the rest of the team

[charred saddle]

u dont really think of incin as to play in tr, its just a good and flexible mon

[next stump]

sometimes its nice to underspeed stuff

[molten oasis]

the best flexible mon

[sharp cobalt]

Indeedee-F, Caly-I, BM-Ursa
Indeedee-F, Lunala, reg Ursaluna

[upbeat quail]

What’s the best Tera for umbreon?

[sharp cobalt]

Im making two teams based on my Indeedee

[upbeat quail]

Even a draining kiss from CSR does a lot

[timber falcon]

One question, why is Incin there? Gotta know why u have ur mons

[sharp cobalt]

I have an idea but I dont thinmk its a gud one

[sharp cobalt]

Err. Probably deal with opposing phys attackers

[timber falcon]

Poison pretty sure

[sharp cobalt]

Ayy my idea was good (ish)

[modern cliff]

whats the best Regulation

[timber falcon]

Yeah poison is the most used

[molten oasis]

you can play reg g, so reg g

[timber falcon]

I think team building wise reg G is easier

Than f

[sharp cobalt]

But I think Id be using Incin to deal with opposing phys attackers through intimidate and will-o

[modern cliff]

ok im using Archaludon Flutter Mane Ursaluna-Bloodmoon can you guys pick the other 3?

[timber falcon]

And ig u also get a incin resist

[molten oasis]

kyogre incineraor rillaboom there ya go

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

Where tr

[molten oasis]

or pelipper if youre still doing the legenadry rule

[timber falcon]

Unless tr flutter

[molten oasis]

ok farigiraf rillaboom kyogre/pelipper

[timber falcon]

If I’m seeing Ursh BM I think the idea I got yesterday from tofu works, cresselia , cm kyogre, grimsnarl ect

Idk about ursaluna being there at all though

[molten oasis]

[modern cliff]

Can i use moon instead of blood

[sharp cobalt]

Heh?

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

roaring mid?

[sharp cobalt]

My brain just went blooodmoon

[timber falcon]

Moonblood?

[sharp cobalt]

Ive got these 2, what would be solid last options

[molten oasis]

amoonguss

[modern cliff]

Then you do the team with Archaludon

[molten oasis]

for both

[sharp cobalt]

Amoonguss alright. And last slot?

[molten oasis]

pelipper honestly

[sharp cobalt]

Hoki

[timber falcon]

Mushroom

[sharp cobalt]

Grabs Toedscruel

[timber falcon]

And uh, for the bottom one cres looks alright

[sharp cobalt]

Word? As a support? Cuz Ive got 2 tr setters

[molten oasis]

peli for more the top tbh

and i wouldnt go cress on bottom

[timber falcon]

Support and can use eq with ursa

[sharp cobalt]

[modern cliff]

OK then this then replace moon with iron bundle

[molten oasis]

iron jugulis

[craggy dagger]

cool-

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2132247270-tblchwrqzf7kmwlaejw1x6elu62fkoppw

[sharp cobalt]

Hmm. amoonguss probs like, tera water, spore, pollen, uhm... rageg powder

[molten oasis]

hi nova hru

[craggy dagger]

i like terapagos

[timber falcon]

I mean first of all, what type of team are u trying to build?

[craggy dagger]

doing good hbu?

[modern cliff]

Single

[sharp cobalt]

Protect...

[molten oasis]

good, got most of my members locked finally

[timber falcon]

Where is the specs set

[molten oasis]

cant go wrong with tornshifu rn

[timber falcon]

Then I cannot help much

[craggy dagger]

it’s a bit unorthodox but

https://pokepast.es/05a934f3d9dbd55e

[molten oasis]

eh

its fine

id go earth power and protect instead of flash cannon and dark pulse

[timber falcon]

Flutters run no prot?

[craggy dagger]

having no protect on flutter is a problem but-

[molten oasis]

tera dragon is also ballsy on amoonguss with pao running around

[craggy dagger]

yep

[molten oasis]

no tera ghost whims is also interesting

[modern cliff]

@molten oasis ok im using Archaludon Flutter Mane iron jugulis can you guys pick the other 3?

[molten oasis]

kyogre or pelipper

[sharp cobalt]

[craggy dagger]

actually earth power > flash cannon

[timber falcon]

It’s singles

[craggy dagger]

right?

[molten oasis]

yes

[timber falcon]

I would definitely say so

[modern cliff]

Pelipper

[molten oasis]

i like hitting steel types pre tera

[sharp cobalt]

Bonk em

[molten oasis]

then, idk basculegion cuz last respects

[modern cliff]

Can you get someone on that plays singles?

[molten oasis]

drop fake tears then

i'd also consider going thunder wave over icy wind, more permanent speed decrease

just as an option

[sharp cobalt]

I cannoot

Sorry

[modern cliff]

@summer shore

[molten oasis]

before you ask no i dont have anyone either

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

Crephace knows some singles stuff

From what I can tell

[molten oasis]

BSS stuff?

[timber falcon]

OU

[sharp cobalt]

OU is vastly diff

[dusty gate]

They told you ages ago they don't do BSS.

[molten oasis]

yea we need BSS, although idk how different it is

[modern cliff]

oh i forgot?

[timber falcon]

Very, though I haven’t tried it in reg G yet

The stall is a pain there

And basically any mon works

[molten oasis]

ig

[modern cliff]

what's all the main pokemon that are usely built around but only non Legendary

[timber falcon]

In reg G, none

U wanna start off with the restricted in mind

[sharp cobalt]

https://pokepast.es/89c323a2a46b4f34
Caly-I team

https://pokepast.es/163bdfc6bc8a8500
Lunala team

Any feedbback, changes?

[modern cliff]

I was meaning in OU

[timber falcon]

Ah OU

[craggy dagger]

nu-

[timber falcon]

Yeah I quit OU cause I hate long games

[timber falcon]

Look good to me

[sharp cobalt]

thank

[timber falcon]

But

Incin is Tera fire

Bottom team

[molten oasis]

if you want protect

[modern cliff]

Who does it then/

[craggy dagger]

i don’t need protec

[solid frigate]

back

[craggy dagger]

i just want a fake tears that can bypass the giraffe