competitive_discussion

[solid frigate]

i see

[dull ibex]

I can't argue with it if I dont know why

[lofty tartan]

Pickling usually brings out pre and probiotics

[bold geode]

Fried egg over easy on a fuckin burger
OH MAN

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2127836366-s7xlsq1ij62bzio5pin2h1591isj81fpw

[molten oasis]

im also just, i like simple shit

[lofty tartan]

In eggs it's probiotic bacteria from the pickling.

[dull ibex]

I can kinda of smell but its not useful literally at all

[solid frigate]

i am hungry after all the food talks-

and its fucking midnight

[molten oasis]

at work i just get a 2 cheese grilled cheese everytime, sometimes a french dip

[mighty stump]

Didn't need to Tera there tbh

[dull ibex]

hey look cat poop irritates my nose, Spoiled milk does the same

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-hungry-gif-7105272158900787299

[bold geode]

I'm hungry too
And I get to go home to chicken that is seasoned not as bad lol

[dull ibex]

this isnt useful at all lmao

[mighty stump]

If they were smart they could probably win off of that play

[bold geode]

I hope it does lol

[solid frigate]

smell that and i HATE IT

[mighty stump]

Tera Fire Koraidon > Collision Course into Pagos

[solid frigate]

[dull ibex]

I mean its literally the same sensation

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

Actually I can't argue that cuz like
I can't stand smell of dog poop, but pig poop don't bother me

[lofty tartan]

O.o

[molten oasis]

wha?

we didn't need to know that

[dull ibex]

its not literally the same for you

[solid frigate]

do you know whats worse,Cow Shit

[lofty tartan]

Cat poop has a specific chemical composition that messes with human brains. I don't like it either.

[molten oasis]

its toxic

[lofty tartan]

All waste is toxic.

[bold geode]

I basically spent half of a year's time (half a day every day for a year) around pigs so I just got used to the smell

[molten oasis]

...fair

smell's awful tho

[bold geode]

Which was good cuz I had to shovel it out so

[lofty tartan]

We have three cats and I keep that litter box clean

[molten oasis]

good lol

that stinking up is a nightmare

[lofty tartan]

They're also very prissy and will just go wherever if it's dirty.

[bold geode]

Well we didn't just let the pigs wallow in piles of shit

[molten oasis]

i'd hope not

[solid frigate]

Cow Poop smells even worse

[bold geode]

But like
If you're around pigs, you're gonna smell their shit whether you like it or not

[molten oasis]

how tf did we get on the topic of shit

[bold geode]

Look, I'm from the South, this shouldn't be surprising lmao

[bold geode]

Hey it's comp chat, we go on random tangents all the time

[mighty stump]

😎

[solid frigate]

idk but i wanna just go to eat

[molten oasis]

i went from being hungry to wanting to go throw up

[mighty stump]

I mean

I'm a vet

Lol

[bold geode]

Lmao
You ate the shit

[mighty stump]

Nothing phases me

[solid frigate]

unless Cockroaches

[mighty stump]

Yeah but that's different

[bold geode]

Yeah Tofu probably sees some shit as a vet, both figuratively and literally

[molten oasis]

you've send us some odd things before

and i chose to look at them lol

[bold geode]

I did have some people look up turd kebabs (though I didn't tell em to)

[molten oasis]

i dont get, too freaked out with bugs

spiders are cool

the big ones are cool

[bold geode]

Ok wtf bro

[molten oasis]

i wonder what pops up if i type spider in gifs

[molten oasis]

what i cant like spiders

[bold geode]

I will burn the house down to kill one spider

[molten oasis]

i like creepy shit

its cool

also like, learning about how spiders for example do their thing is neat

i like biology

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-insects-gif-18920877

[molten oasis]

cute

my brother had a jumping spider for a few months

[solid frigate]

he begs

[molten oasis]

all the people with arachnaphobia are gone lol

[solid frigate]

lmao

I hate Bees or Wasps or Hornets

[molten oasis]

wasps and hornets can die

they're just mean

especially hornets

[solid frigate]

tell that to Beedrill

[molten oasis]

bees keep us alive so we like bees

ig beedrill is more of a wasp

[solid frigate]

yea

[molten oasis]

it can die too ill throw a rock at it and itll perish

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-minecraft-fun-dance-meme-gif-15320288017382141654

[molten oasis]

pollenation

[solid frigate]

Where is that music-

https://tenor.com/view/gyrating-pollinating-son-of-a-gif-12826250087680347180

[molten oasis]

woah

also like, bees are cute

[bold geode]

Fuck off
I might still be a bit arachnophobic idk
Or as they call it
Common sense

[solid frigate]

lmao

[molten oasis]

why is every bee in the gifs throwing it back

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Damn
Throw that ass in a circle

[solid frigate]

wait you guys never heard of that song?

[molten oasis]

WAIT, THIS IS LEGENDARY

[bold geode]

Actually circle don't impress me
Throw that ass in a rhombus

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-bee-gif-26292634

im crying

[solid frigate]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

https://youtu.be/w10-y0azT_4?si=IhPHWbRxD9BO6QEM

[molten oasis]

so out of nowhere

[solid frigate]

thanks i hate it

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

dont we all

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
I fuckin LOVE jazz now

[molten oasis]

i still think its funny cuz its fucking stupid

[bold geode]

I liked jazz and azz lfg

[molten oasis]

just like this one

https://tenor.com/view/promoted-discord-mod-meme-discord-reverse-gif-23924701

so anyway what are we cooking team wise

[foggy lodge]

I just opened discord what

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/byjP9biCRsM?si=Bk4vXObOA4RM78MW

POV:When your No.1 Worst Matchup exists

[molten oasis]

i looked up memes in gifs while i was in vc with friends we were dying

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shrass-shrek-shrek-rizz-shrek-senpai-senpai-gif-4627602381236010998

[solid frigate]

oh boi

[molten oasis]

oh cmon thats funnier than anything you've done

[solid frigate]

THAT ROAST

[bold geode]

Well I looked up "brainrot memes" in GIF and found that so get fucked nerd
Get hit with brainrot

[molten oasis]

nuh uh

[bold geode]

Yuh huh

[solid frigate]

Guh Huh

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-uh-scout-tf2-gif-12750436057634665505

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-brain-stupid-dumb-gif-24320699

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/staph-it-staph-cat-cage-angry-kitten-gif-25610564

[mighty stump]

There is some intense recession going on around here.

[bold geode]

I'm fuckin dying
Wtf is "brain soup wizard"

[solid frigate]

idfk

[molten oasis]

i turned my brain off

not that its on in general

[bold geode]

Ah fuck it
Would you eat food from the brain soup wizard

[dull ibex]

gross

[molten oasis]

oh no he found another joke

[next stump]

my 3 losses are to garganacl

[dull ibex]

why are we posting bees twerking

[solid frigate]

ah yes Minecraft

[bold geode]

TRY TO MAKE BRAIN SOUP WIZARD RACE RELATED DRAGO
I FUCKING DARE YOU

[dull ibex]

what

[bold geode]

Why aren't you posting bees twerking?

Fuckin weirdo

[lofty tartan]

Still Caly-I?

[dull ibex]

I dont consider myself braindead is why

[molten oasis]

for context

i looked up bee on gifs, they were all throwing it back, and then i found that

[bold geode]

What other brainrot can I find

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-8-hour-mute-gif-1280235497005106686

@mighty stump

[molten oasis]

ah the perfect one for you

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/eae6acc36d548ccc

yep 😄

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-give-me-money-kirbys-return-to-dream-land-kirby-clash-microtransagolor-gif-26860135

[dull ibex]

and this is my stand The Ban

[molten oasis]

if only you truly had that power

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-tik-tok-is-worse-than-twitter-account-successfully-created-smooth-brain-gif-21670863

Me AF

[molten oasis]

alr

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[bold geode]

Aight one more

[solid frigate]

aight

[cyan smelt]

Aight

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-clapping-congratulations-nge-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-4460551479497846993

@molten oasis

How I be

My printer farted wtf

@mighty stump hey so wtf is randbats blitz?

Wow I'm alone
I can do whatever

Imma say it

breathes in

Mods are stinky boom got em

[solid frigate]

its Random Battles but you are playing with Sonic Speed

[bold geode]

Oh

Sounds like something I'm too stupid for

I wanna try randbats again

But there's like something you can do in chat to see sets that are used for stuff and I never do that cuz I'm dumb lmao

[foggy lodge]

Hey i made some changes to this team https://pokepast.es/55820b4c97b0af2f

I'm going to a tournament with this

What do you guys think?

[molten oasis]

looks solid

could lack damage but you're probably fine

[mighty stump]

I only@play randbatz blitz because people take too fucking long and im@impatient

you have 10 seconds to move so fking move or give me the win

[molten oasis]

what is randbatz

[bold geode]

Honestly same lmao

[bold geode]

What tournament may I ask

[foggy lodge]

Nah just a small tournament of a youtuber server

[bold geode]

Also some EVs would be nice if you got some on there

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah

https://pokepast.es/e9bff49767a87132 here it is

[mighty stump]

those r some EVs

[bold geode]

Tofu break it down lol

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to calc things like what it survives, what not

Rn it's just something more improvised but it has been working for me

[bold geode]

You don't know your own EVs?
Or are these the person's who team this belongs to

[foggy lodge]

No i just don't calc them lol

It's like, superficial EVs

[bold geode]

Uh you probably need to do that tbh

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i'm just lazy

[molten oasis]

time to go in the calculator for an hour

[foggy lodge]

I was going to do the EVs yesterday with a friend but we ended up doing everything except the EVs

[molten oasis]

lmao

procrastination at its finest

[mighty stump]

60 atk Behemoth Bash

Interesting

[bold geode]

Just to produce some horseshit (I'm a dumb motherfucker)

[molten oasis]

gotta learn how to calc bro

[bold geode]

I know how
It just don't end as well

[molten oasis]

then get better at it

[bold geode]

I will

[foggy lodge]

ok nvm i wanted to calc so behemoth bash atleast 2HK0s Caly-Ice but it can't

with 0 EVs it still OHK0s Flutter

[mighty stump]

Just Body Press Caly-Ice

Ur gonna be setting up against it anyways

[bold geode]

Yeah

Unless no setup Zamazenta, which idk how I feel about it still

[rustic mountain]

me after clicking timer on sd

[rustic mountain]

its been proven to be better so far

[bold geode]

Well.......

Yes and no I guess

[rustic mountain]

wdym

2 top 8s and a regional win for non set up zama

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-arceus-snorlax-funny-pokemon-game-gif-24684980

[rustic mountain]

[dapper crag]

Is prankster volbeat reliable?

[solid frigate]

Not really

[dapper crag]

I see

[solid frigate]

outclassed by Whimsicott and Tornadus

With some extent of Sableye

[slender zephyr]

👎

[solid frigate]

tf

[dapper crag]

Im thinking of it as tailglow setter with sash then button pass..

And pair it with something with follow me and wide guard, if that even exist

[solid frigate]

i don't think thats a good idea especially in this Regulation-

but what is your team

[dapper crag]

Yah, im trying to create a new one. Just thinking of ideas 😅

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/chi-yu-fishie-tiny-pokemon-gif-1712513170322551993

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/39f264cb90bf77a9

this is epic

[foggy lodge]

Le das dislike hasta que estás 30 minutos en el game 1

[atomic mural]

[solid frigate]

pfft Using Spanish Against SPanish

Good call

[harsh depot]

Estoy muy aburrida. (I'm bored)

[slender zephyr]

Trapinch me Traumo

[molten oasis]

i need that and the other side of that

[mighty stump]

Before Whimsicott there was Illumise

[atomic mural]

Odio la regulación g (no puedo formar un buen equipo)

[atomic mural]

[harsh depot]

I'm gonna stop speaking Spanish before I get in trouble

[molten oasis]

lit

[foggy lodge]

Odio este juego (simplemente odio este juego)

[atomic mural]

verdadero

[slender zephyr]

[solid frigate]

Wait i forgot who is faster

[foggy lodge]

Probably Whimsicott

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 314: Illumise

Type

Bug

Abilities

Oblivious, Tinted Lens, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/47/75/73/85/85

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[atomic mural]

ora sono italiano (luigi moment)

[solid frigate]

Yep Whimsicott is Definently Faster than that

[harsh depot]

How goes btw Torrent?

[solid frigate]

fine,i got destroyed by a stall Team that has Zacian as the restricted

[molten oasis]

whims good

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-get-real-pokemon-dance-grass-gif-26120457

[harsh depot]

Ah damn, that sucks

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott out homie

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

what a disrespectful way to use zacian

[solid frigate]

sigh....

[molten oasis]

why are you sigh-ing

[atomic mural]

[molten oasis]

stall+zacian aint it

[solid frigate]

just feel humiliated by it ya know

[molten oasis]

ah

it happens

[atomic mural]

bro i lost to a player who didnt even have intimidate on their incineroar and only had 4 pokemon. you're fine

im really bad

[solid frigate]

i used Overgrow Rillaboom before and i still won

so eh maybe

[atomic mural]

you're wolfey levels of smarts compared to me

[solid frigate]

Also Yes i like this

[solid frigate]

this is not true

i lost to 2 wolfey teams in gen 6-7 VGC

2-0

and yes
https://pokepast.es/08128fa75d78cbdc

i used this team

[atomic mural]

damn

shame i didnt even play pokemon when oras came out

i started playing pokemon during sun and moon

[solid frigate]

fair point

also yes Greninja Bias is in show

but it has a Purpose for being a Fast Taunter

[foggy lodge]

Nah it's fine

I lost against a Garganacl team rn

[solid frigate]

F

[foggy lodge]

I hate that mon

[solid frigate]

its ok,but against it with Water Types is just Scary

[atomic mural]

just like, kill it

[solid frigate]

yeah thats why i give Earth Power rather than Dark Pulse on Terapagos

[atomic mural]

also gives better matchup for zamazenta

unless they tera

[slender zephyr]

Si me nececitas, Ping, And always remember, Calyrex-S Tera Fairy is the best Type Fairy

[solid frigate]

Slightly Better,Zama and Koraidon are still top 2 worst MU,but Caly Ice is close

[foggy lodge]

Dalem

[atomic mural]

just any fighting type is a bad matchup lmao

(thats good in vgc is what i mean)

[solid frigate]

well Caly Ice is different but then again,I have the Lava Feesh

[foggy lodge]

With Zamazenta i would say that almost every match up is good

[mighty stump]

Garganacl

Kekw

[foggy lodge]

Except Urshifu

[solid frigate]

i switched Incin and Rilla for Chi Yu and Amoonguss

[mighty stump]

I haven’t lost to a Zama team w Koraidon yet

[solid frigate]

i killed a Koraidon with Urshifu before lol,like 100 to 0

[mighty stump]

And its not cause of Koraidon

😎

[solid frigate]

the partners can deal with some restricteds

[solid frigate]

bro fall off

well,partially

[foggy lodge]

People were also using Volcarona against Zama lmao

[atomic mural]

whats the most common bulk spread for urshifu water?

[foggy lodge]

And Ceruledge for some reason

Tbh there's no point in using Ceruledge, just use Gholdengo

[solid frigate]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 60 HP / 156 Atk / 20 Def / 196 SpD / 76 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Detect
• Aqua Jet

I saw this

[solid frigate]

so true

[mighty stump]

Walls Koraidon

That’s the point

[solid frigate]

Yeah just show a Cerluedge and you see Koraidon just switches Out

[atomic mural]

236+ Atk Tera-Grass Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 60 HP / 20 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 228-272 (124.5 - 148.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

236+ Atk Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 60 HP / 20 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 170-204 (92.8 - 111.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

really

[solid frigate]

this is a sample Set i found

[molten oasis]

the adamant grass type has to tera to consistenly ohko slightly bulky shifu

thats dumb lol

[atomic mural]

236+ Atk Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 156 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 176-210 (90.2 - 107.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

i mean with chien on my team

[molten oasis]

oh

[foggy lodge]

wouldn't like

[atomic mural]

236+ Atk Sword of Ruin Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 156 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 234-276 (120 - 141.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

you're fine then lol

[foggy lodge]

Wood hammer just pick up the k.o with all four Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

you dont have room

[solid frigate]

its Teal Mask

[molten oasis]

unless you chose not to run cudgel

[bold geode]

First off fuck you
Second off, I don't think Koraidon vs Zamazenta was really a negative MU for Koraidon anyways

[atomic mural]

which is stupid

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon 🤝 Terapagos

Suffers 4 Move rule

[mighty stump]

I mean

[atomic mural]

bro terapagos only needs 1

[mighty stump]

Keanu himself said a well played Koraidon is one of the harder matchups

Lol

[solid frigate]

thats the Sleep Talk Variant

[molten oasis]

i can see you running wood hammer on teal pon just for extra damage

[bold geode]

Also what is this Funlab bullshit I keep getting pinged about

[mighty stump]

Zamazenta has 0 recovery unlike other IDBP mons that can hold lefties

[molten oasis]

so i wouldn't say its inheriently stupid

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
Agreed

[slender zephyr]

Ping Unnecessary

[atomic mural]

that means you can still use one attack move successfully

[mighty stump]

The moment you get nuked as Zama that’s basically it

[molten oasis]

zama teams typically are heavily built around, it

i think

[bold geode]

Yeah lmao
Pelipper rise up lmao

[molten oasis]

just from what ive seen

[bold geode]

Well it's single restricted
You kinda

[molten oasis]

yea yea

[solid frigate]

Calm Mind Terapagos Use these,Plus I don't think heavy Rely on Starstorm for much damage

Terapagos-Terastal @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 236 SpA / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Earth Power
• Protect

Really want to give it Dark Pulse lol

[molten oasis]

im aware but i feel like its less over for some other teams

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Imma build around Incineroar rn

[molten oasis]

like say terapagos HO stuff, you at least got chi yu/flutter stuff

[bold geode]

Challenge: easy as fuck

[atomic mural]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Terapagos-Terastal Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 102-122 (51.2 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

just fun to see

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Me:

CM Terapagos with Chi Yu

[atomic mural]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Terapagos-Terastal Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 136-160 (68.3 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[craggy dagger]

what’s going on?

[foggy lodge]

I remember that in a server that also has a competitive channel someone came and asked if we had a rental that uses Incineroar

[bold geode]

Zamazenta losing against Terapagos itself
Kinda rough
It needs help, like from Chi Yu

[molten oasis]

eh ig you also have pao usually on zama teams

[bold geode]

cough cough have fun scrolling thru the logs of all of em

[mighty stump]

Zama has a weighted matchup into Pagos like what, 60/40 depending

[solid frigate]

thats like.

Almost all the teams-

[bold geode]

I have abused that fuckin cat more than I can count

[foggy lodge]

what

[solid frigate]

i thought that MU is like 70/30 in favour on Zama

[bold geode]

I need to get on the game and get photos

[bold geode]

Hey do you do dex photos for the ones that already have dex entries or you just use the dex entry photos?

[solid frigate]

i think i do Gen 9 Modern Sprites for my notes

[foggy lodge]

the funny thing of that server's competitive channel is that people always come and ask "guys do you have a rental of (insert random pokemon that is awful)?"

Like don't disrespect the goat

[solid frigate]

i might make a Note for my New Team

[mighty stump]

I wouldn’t skew it that hard yet

[bold geode]

Torrent out here popping out teams like Nick Cannon pops out kids my God

[mighty stump]

Depends

[solid frigate]

i mean i do win against Some Zama team but idk its not that close for me

[mighty stump]

I usually make my own photos if I don’t like the dex entry ones

[bold geode]

I mean if I use the dex entrys in the game
All I gotta do is Zamazenta

[mighty stump]

I’ve seen your replays

[solid frigate]

Can you Blame me for NOT HAVING TOURNAMENTS ARE IN UK

[solid frigate]

i am too scared against it

[mighty stump]

Y r u scared is it gonna Body Press your mother or sth

[bold geode]

Torn Chi can honestly get it done
I've lost quite a few matches cuz they predicted the turn I swap in Pelipper and just click Sunny Day

[atomic mural]

damn

[bold geode]

I hit her with Body Press until she Drizzle

[atomic mural]

[solid frigate]

uhhh Monke.... about that...

You probably have better chance against my team cuz mine is Rain as well

[bold geode]

Why lmao

What you even got

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/7839aef0d018e29e

[bold geode]

Ah yes
I love Rain Chi Yu

I love trying to kill my fish with water from the heavens

[solid frigate]

rain is for Koraidon

[mighty stump]

Quality over quantity cough cough

[bold geode]

Lmao
🤝

I realized that shit HARD after that one blogpost my God

[mighty stump]

Lolwut

[bold geode]

Hey
Mine aren't as trash now

[solid frigate]

idk,i'm just in between
Besides i have nothing to do cuz i don't have exams

(Heck i don't think My Kyogre and DW teams will be here if i have exams)

[bold geode]

Actually Tofu funnily enough
My CM Raging Bolt team start of Reg right
That played off yours

https://pokepast.es/8277fc5c62310e81
Is it just me or was I or you a little close to Japan balance lmao

[solid frigate]

should i just go all out and make this Terapagos Team Sun Based or keep it safe from Koraidon and use Rain

i genuinely dunno

[foggy lodge]

you know for some day i was playing like seeing 2-3 turns into the future and i was doing pretty well

[bold geode]

Idk
I deadass told Drago I'd help him with NAIC team cuz like
Gives me an excuse to unglue from Zamazenta

[solid frigate]

If rain,Urshifu is benefited,If Sun,Chi Yu is Benefited

[foggy lodge]

And then i got sick and i already recovered from that but i just can't play as well as before getting sick

[mighty stump]

I mean what’s Drago been up to

[foggy lodge]

idk

[bold geode]

Last I knew
He said the 6 he was playing with last stream iirc

[mighty stump]

Yeah but like, PASRS? SPAMS? Any notes?

[bold geode]

I kinda wanna do Zama and Pult cuz like
Gholdengo be coming back more I hear

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna keep it rain,I can just not click Rain Dance or i can just let Terapagos clear it

[bold geode]

Idk if he has a PASRS

[molten oasis]

pult doesnt really beat dengo consistently tbh

[bold geode]

I was gonna get a picture for Zamazenta and then probably after that, I'll run some games

[twin cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-looking-down-gif-7333648534605432939

[molten oasis]

i feel like incin works well as a way to handle it

[twin cargo]

me after killing the shiny fletchling i found for its speed evs

[bold geode]

Shhhh
Lemme cope

[atomic mural]

I CANT ESCAPE JJK GIFS AHHH

my friends keep spamming them

[solid frigate]

i mean you got quite a few people here who loves JJK

[atomic mural]

not saying thats bad

[twin cargo]

i’m one of them 🙏

[bold geode]

Anyways Drago you hear that
I run some games after I get a Zamazenta pic
You update the team anymore since last time you sent me a paste?

[bold geode]

Not that image again

[solid frigate]

i'm trying to get into JJK but idk

[mighty stump]

What else would be an appropriate response

[twin cargo]

you shoulddddd 🙏

[bold geode]

Tofu you should've done that image earlier

[molten oasis]

i love that image

[bold geode]

"The brainrot has no racial intent"
Tofu: puts image

[solid frigate]

I'm still in KNY(I know and read the Manga but still)

[mighty stump]

I don’t see how Pult + Zama would deal with Dengo when you can slot a better Ghost type to do that

Lol

[atomic mural]

nothings more pokemon than JJK

[mighty stump]

Or a Dark-type

[mighty stump]

I don’t disagree with Goltres, Durshifu aso works

[bold geode]

Lemme cope bruh lmao
Gholdengo for Zama is like rubbing my back on a cheese grater
We don't like it

[mighty stump]

Pao

[twin cargo]

COOL DRAYTON PFP

[mighty stump]

Yeah but like

[solid frigate]

also wait

@bold geode If i switch to Sun, Terapagos Tornadus,Urshifu and Amoonguss would also get Negatively Impacted

[twin cargo]

IVE RECENTLY FINISHED THE DLCS AND I LOVE HIM

[bold geode]

Eh whatever you wanna do

[solid frigate]

Drayton is Homie

[bold geode]

I just don't know if you do Chi Yu on a rain option tbh

[twin cargo]

frfr

[mighty stump]

It’s not like it’s like Pelipper lol

[solid frigate]

I mean i can just not click it-

Or Terapagos to clear it

[mighty stump]

You’re looking at it as if he always clicks Rain Dance

[solid frigate]

In fact i think i rarely click rain dance

[bold geode]

Yeah Peli is more of a goat

[foggy lodge]

I think

Sunny day is better ig

[mighty stump]

Plus enabling harder hitting Bleakwinds is fine

[solid frigate]

Lacey is still my fav

[mighty stump]

Flying-type coverage is a premium

[atomic mural]

what is this joke

[solid frigate]

dies to Flutter Mane,Bolt and Koraidon?

And also Groudon?

[twin cargo]

i respect it 🫡 she’s my second favourite :3

[mighty stump]

Its why Rayquaza can still be valuable just cause of how strong DAscent is

[molten oasis]

monke just btw

[twin cargo]

anyway back to ev training

[rustic mountain]

dont waste ur time man

[molten oasis]

im running pult because I like it idt it should be run

[solid frigate]

bro can just drill team with it

[twin cargo]

baiiiii

[molten oasis]

like, in general

[rustic mountain]

itll pull u in at first and then it jus falls off a cliff

[bold geode]

Someone else said it was aight

[molten oasis]

its just kind of a "i like it for this team"

[solid frigate]

kek

[bold geode]

I don't see a problem with it myself

[molten oasis]

for a zama team?

when you want to beat dengo?

[bold geode]

More just a thought tbh

[solid frigate]

also i am already in Demon Slayer so i kinda waste my time on it

[molten oasis]

pult isnt bad i just dont think its what you're looking for

[rustic mountain]

yea i couldnt get into demon slayer personally. cool animation tho

[bold geode]

Like it's in the thinking cap
Whether or not it actually follows thru is another thing

[solid frigate]

The story is kinda mid,but Animation looks So damn good,

Ufotable forgot their budgets

[mighty stump]

I just reread the finale of KnY

[rustic mountain]

kny?

[mighty stump]

I think the presentation is great

[solid frigate]

Kimetsu No Yaiba Aka Demon Slayer

[rustic mountain]

ohhhh

[solid frigate]

Agree tho

i feel like they also approach the Point and Meaning of Reincarnation quite well

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean its popular for a reason there was parts i liked of it jus couldnt get myself to keep watching after a certain point felt like a chore

[mighty stump]

The pacing also at the end of the manga

The sense of urgency was really well done and described

KnY is like, just solid but basic manga to get into

[solid frigate]

it is,I personally Like How some characters got Huge Character Development

Zenitsu and Akaza are the two of the many

[rustic mountain]

fair

[foggy lodge]

Which one was demon slayer?

[solid frigate]

like Akaza is widely hated by the Anime fans because of Killing a Fan Favourite

[solid frigate]

KNY

[foggy lodge]

Ah it's from the girl with that roll in the mouth?

[solid frigate]

i feel like thats what people think of Nezuko lol

recently don't have the Bamboo roll now

[foggy lodge]

Huh

Sounds interesting

[solid frigate]

yeah its close to climax of the Story now

[foggy lodge]

The most i've known about that anime is from a girl i was talking to for a time and she liked it but nothing more

How long it is?

[solid frigate]

I'm waiting,I'm waiting for this scene to be Animated

Pls don't screw this up Ufotable

[solid frigate]

has been 3 Seasons, now into 4th season

outside of season 1,all of them are 11 episodes i think

[foggy lodge]

Ah it's not so long

I might see it

[solid frigate]

Season 1 is like 20+ Episodes?? i forgot

i know Tanjiro vs Rui is 19th Episode so maybe its close

also if you have Fought my Raging Bolt Before,yes it names after Zenitsu

also if someone said Zenitsu VA is bad imma smite them

[foggy lodge]

Do you know about Hunter X Hunter?

Another girl i was talking to recommended it but idk

[solid frigate]

Heard and watch a few episodes but kinda did not follow it that much

[rustic mountain]

hxh is fantastic

[mighty stump]

Fire Force is super good

[solid frigate]

the OP is so good tho

[mighty stump]

Dungeon Meshi also nice, I finished the manga in one go

Couldn’t put it down

Honestly 10/10 world building

[solid frigate]

damn i might need to follow up on other anime/manga

[mighty stump]

Probably my number one manga for world building in fact

Cause its done in such a natural organic manner

Like it almost sounds as if theyre describing a very real place

[solid frigate]

i see

[rustic mountain]

have u read/watched op

[mighty stump]

Don’t want to

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

saw that, insane zama conversion

[solid frigate]

tortol

[mighty stump]

Miraidon, Zama and Terapagos have really good rates

[solid frigate]

so Exponential is like how its Potential Curve rises?

[mighty stump]

CIR/CSR is poorly

[solid frigate]

Caly S is just fall off slightly

caly ice tho i am not too sure

[rustic mountain]

cir dropoff isnt too bad considering its higher across the board useage

csr dropoff is just bad tho

that mons having a tough time rn

[molten oasis]

zama is up there damn

[solid frigate]

calyrex kinda feels less threatening tho

than we expected

[rustic mountain]

i disagree with that

people have shown immense respect to it

[molten oasis]

ice is a well respected mon

so is shadow

i think

[solid frigate]

yeah we expect it to be like gonna dominate gen 9

[mighty stump]

Imo people have figured out lines into CIR better because their formula has not changed at all

Its been fairly consistent since the start of Reg G after the team modeled hy JMOdri

[solid frigate]

i put CIR at No.1 best restricted cuz it has consistent results of being good

and its teambuild and MU are more manageable that CSR

[mighty stump]

It is extremely consistent. Like Pagos and Zama is right now

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-kira-anime-light-laugh-gif-22099540

[solid frigate]

so Top 3 is gonna be CIR,Terapagos and Zamazenta rn?

[rustic mountain]

even w/ that its still done well, i think the core has a high skill ceiling and players like marco are adapting onnit especially for the mirror

[mighty stump]

Imo its gonna be the Big 4 being Pagos/CIR/Mirai/Zama

That’s basically your strongest teams right now

[rustic mountain]

seems like it

[solid frigate]

i think i kinda put Koraidon higher than Zama Before but i might need to change it

[rustic mountain]

a lot of ppl did

nobody had zama this high originally from wat i had seen

[bold geode]

They disrespected the big dog

[cyan smelt]

Amazing what giving it one move did

[solid frigate]

i did respect it to be in High A but damn Keanu's Team really showed us

[bold geode]

Time to put on lofi music lmao

[rustic mountain]

y

[bold geode]

I just wanna note I have been on the Zama train before Indy

[foggy lodge]

Imagine if they nerf the dog duo in gen 10 but now is Zama's fault

[bold geode]

Imma ladder and usually (about 85% of time), I ladder while listening to Lofi

[rustic mountain]

wat else they gna do to zacian? its already gutted

[cyan smelt]

I been saying since gen 8 that they should've given Zama body press in gen 8

[rustic mountain]

ahhh gotcha

[bold geode]

Soothes me so I get less pissed off

[solid frigate]

i kinda build Terapagos in Raids with Similar Set from now

Just replace Shell Bell with Clear Amulet or Covert Cloak

[rustic mountain]

who didnt say that

[cyan smelt]

True

[foggy lodge]

Can you recommend good lofi music?

[bold geode]

Lemme find the playlist

[molten oasis]

zacian is like, good but if it gets nerfed more becasue of zama its just gonna be awful

[bold geode]

You got Spotify right?

[solid frigate]

share the sauce

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[bold geode]

Aight lemme look for it

[molten oasis]

its already juust barely good enough to work

[foggy lodge]

I want to hear something more apart from Joji before sleeping

[atomic mural]

what they gonna nerf now on zama? remove body press?

[molten oasis]

thats kinda all they can do without removing everything zacian has

which is not much

[cyan smelt]

Surely they won't take away body press after just giving it

[bold geode]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5qdrnirz5JPWYg0wyhRoXK?si=8nvi7M59RBCBmr_z48WAHA

This is a playlist I listen to
Makes more modern music and some other stuff into Lofi beats
I think Joji's "Glimpse of Us" is one in here

[molten oasis]

they could

monke wtf

[solid frigate]

Miraidon:Very Opressive in Offensive
Terapagos:Very Versatile on Teambuild and strength
CIR:Opressive in Rain Trick Room
Zamazenta:Just being a good boi with Unique Playstyle

[bold geode]

What

[molten oasis]

oh wait i didnt read anything lol

that looked off putting without context

[bold geode]

How lol

[molten oasis]

its from you

anything from you is either somewhat normal or extremely off putting

[bold geode]

It's a lofi playlist my guy

[molten oasis]

i did not read anything i glaced over as im playing a raid in destiny

[solid frigate]

i feel like Zamazenta and Terapagos are very Versatile on Teambuilding tho

Monke do you have that kinda Versitility on Teambuild Zama tho

[bold geode]

Oh so that's how you're "busy"

[foggy lodge]

O dios mío it has glimpse of us

[bold geode]

Wym

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to hear it

[solid frigate]

like during teambuild and Battle do you find zamazenta teams versatile

[bold geode]

I mean

Kinda and kinda not

You can do a bit of exploration (and some dumb shit too)
For example, I once hold on lemme get Showdown open

[molten oasis]

every restricted has its like, main partners

i feel like terapagos is more flexible when it comes to sets tho

zama kinda needs to run idbp

to do its best

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/abe853a9c45455d3
This was a team I ran for a bit for shits and giggles

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Chi Yu,Terapagos Comfey,Terapagos Clefairy,Terapagos Amoonguss

Heck even Terapagos and Cresselia is decent

[rustic mountain]

terapagos has chi yu flutter
miraidon has whimsicott bloodmoon
cir has amoongus and incin
zama has galar motres and latios (wtf?)

lmao

[molten oasis]

chien pao

[foggy lodge]

wtf i always heard this steven universe intro in videos and never found it

[molten oasis]

notably chein pao is what i see rn

[solid frigate]

ask Keanu lol

[foggy lodge]

This is the original let's goooo

[rustic mountain]

zama if anything has the most creative partners/team to date

[bold geode]

Like if you wanna do some dumb shit maybe
But also in more serious cases, more of the Zamazenta teams you see are of a standard
Rn you have two
Lemme throw together the second

[rustic mountain]

ur understanding of jokes:

i meant it has some of the craziest partners it does well w/ haha

[solid frigate]

i can't understand jokes

[rustic mountain]

i think the fact it can work w/ those means it prolly has much more flexible teambuilding potential then u might think

just a thought

[solid frigate]

when i watch the stream i found the teams are very creative and it does work

[solid frigate]

like i am serious,sometimes i just don't get it sometimes i do

I'm widely inconsisent lol

[molten oasis]

keanu's team is the most creative thing we've seen which is really sick

[rustic mountain]

i mean its not always the easiest to get over text

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[mighty stump]

Sleep Token

[solid frigate]

if you see me irl you understand why

[solid frigate]

Goltres and Latios hype

[rustic mountain]

its a really cool team

esm is an insanely good teambuilder

[foggy lodge]

https://open.spotify.com/artist/2n2RSaZqBuUUukhbLlpnE6?si=gPuDnxR_Qe2_Jva3nxQ_Pw him?

[mighty stump]

Yep

Its not to everyone’s taste

[foggy lodge]

Ohh i'll hear it tomorrow

[mighty stump]

But if you like their music, its almost like a religious experience at night

[bold geode]

So here's my opinion right
https://pokepast.es/fe173e4f5418add1
So there's two types of Zamazenta teams right
This first was Keanu version/no IDBP
https://pokepast.es/bed4709ed0f538c6
And then this, the IDBP version (note some pieces can be interchangeable) but this one is more the common one you'd see in Limitless tours

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

I don't think it's like necessarily it's not as versatile, it could be
Any of these mons technically can be "versatile" depending on the way you look at em
It's just that usually people look and go "ok I know this is good" or "I know these pieces with this are good" and tend to build with that info

Like more or less
If it ain't broke, why fix it?

[solid frigate]

i see.. I'll keep those teams in folders for further reference

That way i can try look at how can i tackle it

[foggy lodge]

I think Zama is versatile

Atleast for me i've been doing fine with a team that is somewhat different from the usual 2 Zama teams

[molten oasis]

i think most things that are good have potential to win

[solid frigate]

Zama itself is only like 1 set with alterations but the partners are i think

[bold geode]

Like Dillon showed one version with Zama Cresselia iirc
Santiago winning team had Hearthflame (which I thought about beforehand so nice)
You can experiment, but keep in mind there are known pieces that work with it for good reason too

[solid frigate]

Wait

[rustic mountain]

im speaking moreso for the teambuilding being versatile for it rather then it itself being a versatile mon

[solid frigate]

Zama Cresselia?

This is getting even more Interesting

[bold geode]

Yeah
Howl was just a funny "fuck it" thing
It wasn't great, but surprisingly it wasn't bad either

[foggy lodge]

Cresselia Zama sounds good, maybe healing from those burns

The thing is if you want Cresselia over something like Farigiraf that stops priority

[rustic mountain]

restricteds arent really versatile. they r really high bst mons that wanna do damage and preferably take kos. their means of doing that varies but its the same thing ur trynna achieve at the end of the day

[solid frigate]

Its kinda what i think about when i build Terapagos,Cresselia is kkinda nice

[solid frigate]

unless you are Lugia

[rustic mountain]

even lugia wants to set up to get to that point

[mighty stump]

I think versatile is probably interchangeable with self-sufficient here

[bold geode]

Yeah that's probably the better word

[solid frigate]

thats what i meant lol

[mighty stump]

Like think about it

The top performing mons have ways to break through most of their resists with little risk to them

CIR just scales or just keeps chipping you and can self-set TR

Miraidon can just delete resists

Terapagos HAS no resists

and Zama can just ID until resists don’t matter

[molten oasis]

that explains the struggles of everything else, ig

[mighty stump]

CSR technically the same

But is more frail

So

[molten oasis]

yuh

[mighty stump]

But still pretty up there

[harsh depot]

Do I need to win at least one Master Rank battle to get the Ribbon on a Pokemon?

[mighty stump]

Everyone else lacks the self-sufficiency or is a lot easier to answer resistance wise

[mighty stump]

Yes

[harsh depot]

Gotcha, thanks

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Hits Hard as well but yeah

it kinda walled by few mons

[mighty stump]

Yeah but Koraidon cannot OHKO certain mons like Pelipper

It can obviously delete a lot of things with Tera Fire Flare Blitz if in Sun

[solid frigate]

quite baffling that Winged King gets walled by the Toilet Bird

but its true,Pelipper is good

[rustic mountain]

i mean in a way their self suffiency gives way to lack of versatility. how many ways r u really running some of these mons. even then they r still doing the same things. jus the ev/item choices varying with maybe 1 move difference depending on team comp. i dont even mean it as a bad thing, jus their role is very clearly defined

[mighty stump]

Id say he “isnt walled” if you just give him DClaw but you slow him down

or dare I say Tera Blast Electric

[solid frigate]

yeah and isn't like some Koraidon run Flame Charge and Flare Blitz at the same time

[foggy lodge]

Why toilet bird😭😭

[mighty stump]

Defined roles being able to fit into more compositions due to self-sufficiency can be considered versatility though no?

[foggy lodge]

Don't call him like that

[solid frigate]

it looks like one i am sorry

[foggy lodge]

Still kinda crazy to me that Pelipper went from just being pretty good in some teams to top 10 non-restricteds pokemon

[solid frigate]

its so damn consistent, I used Pelipper in reg f and its just a bliss to play

[rustic mountain]

the mon itself isnt versatile in terms of what it does, its placement for team composition would be because of how it does it so well. so in that sense i guess itd be moreso on what your framing of that is

pelipper coming back is awesome

really some weird mons that come back or gain relevance in restricted formats

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-gif-1710268354472802343

[solid frigate]

Cresselia wasn't that used in reg F right?

[rustic mountain]

not really

moreso reg d and e iirc

[solid frigate]

yeah i remember there are quite an amount of them in D-E

[craggy dagger]

yep-

lunar blessing ursaluna with earthquake guts flame orb

[solid frigate]

i kinda use Cresselia in Reg G cuz its decent alternative partner for Terapagos

[craggy dagger]

oh your hp is a bit low bc of burn?
lemme heal 25% and heal burn too

[solid frigate]

lmao

thats me when Amoonguss is here

[foggy lodge]

It's so good anyways

I suppose you would just run safety on it

You could play with the items on it

Maybe sitrus Inci and safety Cress

Or safety inci and mental herb cress

[solid frigate]

i run that before

Cresselia @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Lunar Blessing
• Thunder Wave
• Moonblast
• Helping Hand

My Cress

[timber falcon]

i thought it had icy wind

[autumn ferry]

( its for double battle )
im need to find 2 more mons for this team . i was thinking about calyrex-ice for a trick room sweeper and im stuck . any suggestion ? Thanks

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743090225458446388/1242709922198847498/image.png?ex=664ed34d&is=664d81cd&hm=e087dfbc945fdfc89d4b51199a19e9ead51d9f0e9129c75495a8e55d2a3405b6&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=498&height=437

[charred saddle]

better for you to send it in pokepaste format

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663757541343363073/1209562271391551488/Screenshot_20221221_021357.png?ex=664edd66&is=664d8be6&hm=3972527d4cb36f9864b46496873080b1743e5cddcf5f2b97d398b67c72ebb55c&

and also better to specify format + EV and items

or you can also get some ideas or even just try out the teams from #rental_teams

highly suggesting you to try this team if u wanna try for Caly I

#rental_teams message

[gentle crag]

throwdatahh (ID 762533079138566184)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Hey all, ThrowDat here with my first ever rental! Enjoy!
Name: IceHorse
Code: CVBTFC
Format: VGC 2024 Regulation G
Paste: http://pokebin.com/e60eedbe31155d7a
Notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Qzuqj-d5HECHF_UAjsfIBr3xqr6AIAflR50Tekx9CQ/edit

Command triggered by abused1. Message from · May 10, 2024, 9:08 AM

[graceful flare]

I starter laying in reg f and mu strategy was to set up screens and attack with ogerpon or ursifu and If igot taunted jy was over bc I had no damage moves

(I lost every game)

[pearl wind]

for the current generation the pokémon home mobile app has that info

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2128030280

weirdest game ever

[sharp cobalt]

Which one are you?

[charred saddle]

koraibused

[next stump]

MunchStats, Pikalytics,LabMaus

[mighty stump]

I think we bossed too hard and now teams are too solid to alter without some form of insanity

[craggy dagger]

that’s what i’m here for-
to make people cringe and cry at my builds

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/91b762029916cb9c

I have been popping off with this team lately my gosh

I never thought i would love pelipper so much

[solid frigate]

i see

[chrome knot]

how do i disable pokepaste for other people

[craggy dagger]

hacc and disable

but they’re not that bad are they…?

[chrome knot]

no i just kidding :3

[willow vault]

Pelipper so epic

[craggy dagger]

toilet bird on top

[willow vault]

Toilet birb

[tawdry urchin]

What move do I replace with for taunt/ protect?

[graceful flare]

Moon blast

[bold geode]

No

Encore/Tailwind/Moonblast/Protect

Cuz I'm guessing this is Whimsicott?

[tawdry urchin]

yes

[bold geode]

Yeah the 4 I just said

[graceful flare]

Wha does mteal coat do

[graceful flare]

If its whimsicott swap out the whole pokemon and put on tornadus☠️

[tawdry urchin]

Kid your asking what metal coat does. Shut up

[mighty stump]

Whoa there

Chill

Lol

[graceful flare]

It evolves scizor or sun

But what does it do to the pokemon

[dapper crag]

Item: Metal Coat

Holder's Steel-type attacks have 1.2x power. Evolves Onix into Steelix and Scyther into Scizor when traded.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

Google is readily available though

[graceful flare]

What ev spread for roaring moon

[chrome knot]

torn is interchangeable for whimsicott on certain teams

[graceful flare]

Pls tell me roaring moon ec

Ev

[mighty stump]

You can look in Pikalytics/Munchstats.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1005: Roaring Moon

Types

Dragon/Dark

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/139/71/55/101/119

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

252 atk, 252+ speed, 4 health as leftovers

based off of its stats

[autumn vault]

Pls no

[south shuttle]

? why not

[autumn vault]

I prefer taking advantage of Booster Speed, also leftovers isn't good on an offensive pokemon

[south shuttle]

no im saying the 4 ev's are leftovers

not to run leftovers on an offensive mon

[autumn vault]

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 28 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Acrobatics

[graceful flare]

Ok and what abt for focus sash clayrex

[autumn vault]

Look up on Pikalytics/Munchstats

Sorry, thats all you're getting

[south shuttle]

was my set bad?

i dont run damage calcs so i always run max

[autumn vault]

You can't completely judge by just the item and evs but it does look bad

[autumn vault]

I prefer running damage calcs

[south shuttle]

but isnt roaring moon supposed to be speedy and offensive

[autumn vault]

Yes but 1. You aren't using Booster Energy for a bad item on Moon
2. Max Max isn't always the solution for everything, you might be wasting EVs which are very valuable
3. True but it doesn't have to be 100% offense

[graceful flare]

Wha tera type for caly shadow

[autumn vault]

It can run B-Swipe and Tailwind

And Knock Off which are all good moves for support

Well, knock off is more offensive but removing the item helps to win battles in some cases

[graceful flare]

.

[autumn vault]

I wont respond to that

[south shuttle]

i didnt specify the item

i just said the evs

[autumn vault]

Oh right, i thought you said leftovers as the item leftovers

Not the leftovers of EVs

[south shuttle]

yeah i should have worded it better

AV hisuian samurott is pretty good in singles OU rn

[craggy dagger]

no whimsy is just better

and cuter

[chrome knot]

both fill the same role

[chrome knot]

holy look it up on any statistics page its not hard

[south shuttle]

tornadus is better offensively imo

with bleakwind

[craggy dagger]

fairy types cover more imo-
also torn is slower so whimsy can prankster taunt torn

[chrome knot]

fairy does cover more types

[mighty stump]

They’re out in force today

[chrome knot]

tofu

[mighty stump]

Is that MSS CHAMPION EMMA BROOKS

[chrome knot]

stop itttttt

[mighty stump]

No

-ᴗ-

[chrome knot]

i gotta play all of violet for next regulation

[south shuttle]

bruh i just got scammed

raging bolt missed 3 draco's to lose the match

[zealous badger]

anything i should change here? https://pokepast.es/be6404afdaae708b

[mighty stump]

Zama should be Grass or Ghost

Rilla wants Fire

If you’re going Tera Dark on Pao you might as well Tera Stellar

[zealous badger]

ohh alr
anything else u reckon i should change?

[graceful flare]

This is exactly why I don't run less then 100% accurate moves that aren't spread

[mighty stump]

Id opt for Taunt on Incin just to stop Amoonguss from being a problem

[zealous badger]

ight thx

[gentle crag]

flameduckys has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[south shuttle]

bro cosmog is so op

unaware is op on it

[willow vault]

Nah cosmoem the goat

[south shuttle]

eh but its movepool leaves much to be desired

cosmog has the legendary move splash

[frail mortar]

Hey everyone,

I've been playing casually since the early games, but now I'm starting to get more interested in competitive play. I'd love to hear your thoughts on how to approach teambuilding, any resources you recommend, and whether it's viable to use a variety of Pokémon or if there's a specific meta that dominates most battles. Thanks in advance for any tips!

[dapper crag]

This team is VGC 2022 format, and I'm considering invluding Dracovish and swapping Flygon or Noivern

I would think Flygon is better to keep because Ground is effective against a lot more threats to my team than Flying is

Ground gets rid of steel types like zacian and duraludon

[south shuttle]

check the pins

[dapper crag]

But Noivern also has throat spray boomburst so

Im on the fence lol

Not to mention I'm wondering if the usual scarf + strong jaw + fisheous rend combo is even viable in doubles

[mighty stump]

I would say the first thing with competitive Pokemon in general is to throw everything regarding casual play out the window

You will not be able to use certain pokemon that you like/favour since it's all math

Most important thing to do is to always temper your expectations

[frail mortar]

Appreciate the advice!

[mighty stump]

Playing a lot of games is also important

[dapper crag]

@frail mortar I'm gonna stop Tofu right there.

[mighty stump]

If you're about to tout some advice about using your favourites, you have been mislead.

[dapper crag]

Rotom is one of my favorite Pokémon.

This is my Electric Gym.

[mighty stump]

And that's not competitively relevant at the moment.

[dapper crag]

It looks simple and childish, but it actually completely negates the inherent disadvantage of monotype teams.

[mighty stump]

Most people want to try and force their "favourites" when it doesn't have any sort of niche/relevancy within the meta-game

Which is a different topic entirely compared to viability.

If you want to improve at competitive and actually get involved in the hobby seriously, sometimes you have to accept certain Pokemon are outright worse options relative to metamons

Whatever formats are being played casually just do not have any sort of weight in this topic

[dapper crag]

Tofu, what would you say if I told you that there's a Pokémon with 406 speed, 414 Special Attack, and a 220 base power move.

[mighty stump]

This also does not mean you cannot run your "favourites", which is why viability is a completely different topic

[dapper crag]

What would you say, then, if I told you that Pokémon was Eevee.

[mighty stump]

Good for you, those numbers don't exist at level 50 2024 VGC

[dapper crag]

Neither do Z-Moves, which is the entire reason those numbers are possible, but this isn't a channel about only VGC.

[willow vault]

Just an example of this, if you want to use inteleon as a crit fishing water type which is frail and looks for damage just use Urshifu-rapid strike it’s strictly better in every way, a better ability, damage and signature move

[mighty stump]

Sure, but that is the current relevant main esports format officially.

So unless you want to somehow load Z-moves into Ranked Battles on your switch

Or ask the PS devs to program Z-moves into Gen 9 OU

It's a completely tangential topic that isn't relevant.

And if that is a hill you want to die on: all Pokemon that have been used in the past that have had notable performances/significant usage statistically all had reasons to exist within the metagame beyond "I like this Pokemon"

[dapper crag]

I'm going to raise Sejun Park's Pachirisu. Not as another point about "using your favorites" because that's not why Sejun used it. He used it because it filled a specific niche; it was the bulkiest Pokémon in the Kalos dex with access to Follow Me. It only became his favorite after it won him the Championships.

I am using this point, however, to tell you, @frail mortar, that you can find a role for any Pokémon.

[mighty stump]

Lolo

And you can then majority of the time, if those Pokemon are not significant meta-calls, find better Pokemon that fulfils the same roles and better

[willow vault]

Unfortunately for you we’re are in a restricted metagame which means far higher power levels making many Pokemon unusable as they just can’t keep up

[dapper crag]

I can guarantee before Sejun's win, most people would've laughed their asses off at the prospect of using a Pachirisu on a serious competitive team.

But now, it's one of the most infamous Pokémon in competitive history.

[mighty stump]

Sejun Park's Pachirisu which is the shield everyone desperately clings to for this argument was a jusitifiable meta-call no competitive player has an issue with. The problem is majority of players 99% of the time do not have the ability to even justify their choices nor see beyond bias.

But the important point is that it was a "meta call"

It was relative to the metagame

And relative to the metagame

[dapper crag]

Taking a Heatran down from 50% HP with a Psychic move seems pretty justifiable, but okay boomer.

[mighty stump]

A lot of Pokemon are just outright invalidated

Okay, I don't know what casual section you decided to crawl out of nor what standing you even have to try and advise newer players, but you don't even fully understand your own argument and cherry pick the good parts

How much work do you think Sejun Park put into playing to practice with Pachirisu?

My opinions are easily the same as any significant VGC player around the world

if not any relevant competitive player

No one likes the Karens.

[frail mortar]

I appreciate the insight. My main takeaways are to play plenty of matches, temper expectations, and not get too attached to Pokémon just because they're favorites. It's also important to try out different Pokémon if they fit certain niches or team comps. I don't expect to become a master trainer overnight, but I have the goal of eventually reaching Master Ball rank. Thanks again for all the advice!

[willow vault]

As proper advice @frail mortar, I would suggest looking on munchstats and seeing what is commonly being used in regulation g, see out of the top picks which seem interesting to you then use some prebuilt teams containing the good pokemon you think is interesting. This prebuilt team can be from our rental teams section as they have explanations for why they have certain ev spreads and movesets

That’s good thinking

[mighty stump]

The best part is when you actually put in relevant practice by not listening to casual-play yappery, you can have moments where you can force your Pokemon choices that you enjoy as a "for fun" team

[willow vault]

Oh and make sure you have a restricted it’s obvious but they are very strong

[mighty stump]

Which goes back to my initial statement of just tempering your expectations and having a good mindset

[solid frigate]

damn what did i miss

[mighty stump]

Anything else to mention @dapper crag or did you decide to bow out after not having anything else to add?

[willow vault]

Tofu gave good advice and someone else decided to give the opposite advice which wasn’t useful

[dapper crag]

Using pure competitive meta teams is fine, it's okay to only enjoy winning, I'm not one to shit on someone else's playstyle.

[solid frigate]

this picture is pure comedy Gold

[dapper crag]

I'm not going to say you're wrong for avoiding your favorite Pokémon in a serious competitive format, if it's necessary.

[willow vault]

It’s such a funny image lmao

[dapper crag]

But likewise, there's also no reason for you to shit on me for saying that it's okay to want to enjoy a battle with your favorite Pokémon.

I'm not claiming to know everything.

Hell, until recently, I didn't know that Water didn't resist Ground.

But "Fuck Meta" teams and sets are...kind of my stomping grounds.

[strange fjord]

man thats a lot of convo i don't wanna read. anyone got the tdlr version of this.

[willow vault]

Sorry to burst your bubble but this is a comp chat, when we are asked to give advice about competitive we give competitive advice to improve competitively. If you want to use your favourites play a casual battle

[chrome knot]

to add to sejun parks pachurisu, i won a local recently with gothitelle, not because she was my favourite but she FILLED the necessary role i needed her to

[mighty stump]

Gave fundamental advice, had a naysayer.

[dapper crag]

All I'm saying is, give Glowleaf the advice they're asking for, I was just saying that a statement like "fuck off with childish bullshit like 'using your favorites'" is inherently wrong, because I know better than anyone what a Pokémon can do if you go through trial and error with it. And, wouldn't you know it, but competitive teambuilding also requires a lot of trial and error.

[mighty stump]

Sometimes it also feels ironic considering a lot of the teams I build feature non-meta Pokemon but people say what they want to say

[dapper crag]

I was just meaning to offer to Glowleaf, before to conversation got detailed by Random Gentleman from Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, that if they wanted to use a favorite, or any sort of less-viable Pokémon, they can always come to me for that kind of advice because, it is very much possible.

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump I found lurantis' use case

[willow vault]

What is it?

[mighty stump]

Is it similar to Serperior on Boyt's team?

[chrome knot]

yes but specifically for beating the games story LMAO

[mighty stump]

Lolwut

[chrome knot]

I have her banded @ stellar tera blast 😭

[mighty stump]

LOL

[chrome knot]

shes winning!!!

she just 1v6'd victory road story, now shes onto the titans

[mighty stump]

Indeedee she is

[chrome knot]

and I love when she beats the titans it looks so cute

[strange fjord]

I might be off bc i joined late but I think the issue is that a new player shouldn't go into the expectation to use their favorite Pokemon successfully. They should instead have the fundamentals of VGC first. Afterward, a cool off meta Pokemon could work in the right setting and team. Not that it's easy to make any Pokemon usable that isn't outclassed by another Pokemon with a similar role.

[chrome knot]

lemme get a clip

[strange fjord]

anyways, la regional in a few days

[willow vault]

That’s a great explanation

[mighty stump]

The overarching message is to be able to temper your expectations, put in the fundamental work, and have solid justifications as to why your choices would work beyond "I like this, I want to use this just because"

[chrome knot]

LOOK HOW EXCITED SHE GETS TOFU ! ! !

[solid frigate]

Unless your favourites are Incineroar

[willow vault]

Do you know anyone whose favourite is Incineroar?

[north pagoda]

Gamefreak

[chrome knot]

wolfe glick !

[solid frigate]

my friend's Favourite Pokemon is Incineroar actually

[mighty stump]

But people have difficulty seeing the big picture and what work it takes to actually get your garbo sadmon to work if it's bad. The concept of niches also existing yet ignoring the fact multiple Pokemon can fulfill the same niche

[willow vault]

Oh

[solid frigate]

yeeah

[molten oasis]

Incineroars a cool Pokémon

[solid frigate]

people have different tastes

[bold geode]

Wtf did I miss

[molten oasis]

Probably not important

[mighty stump]

Nothing much

[solid frigate]

heck i love Archaludon before i used in Reg F and i think it looks cool

[mighty stump]

Standard stuff

[willow vault]

Only a small argument

[bold geode]

Fuckin paragraphs Jesus

[molten oasis]

Use your favorites if you feel capable of building teams with them

It’s fun to win with your favorites

[bold geode]

But what if my favorite is Incineroar and Flutter Mane

[solid frigate]

well.... Greninja isn't very good in Fast Taunt since FLutter Mane exists

[molten oasis]

Then you’ll have an easier time

[bold geode]

Fuck y'all
Time for Eviolite Chimchar

[molten oasis]

That’s not-

[strange fjord]

Choice Band Thwacky time

[solid frigate]

i tried a bitof Pledge+Taunt Greninja before but its not good at all

in SV

[willow vault]

Nah choice band flutter way better

[molten oasis]

I lost to a pledge team against a fast weakness policy ice rider. Wasnt expecting Sceptile to be sash as I see them covert normally

[north pagoda]

To be fair, that statement might actually be accurate