competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

Hell yeah

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

Well, tbh not really

The grass has some sticks aiming upwards and i got my hands to touch them

Did not like it

Outside of that yes

[willow vault]

That’s really rude of the sticks

I’m assuming you don’t have the special ability poison heal then

[autumn vault]

Whats poison heal?

Seriously though i hatched a Great Tusk in Pokerogue

And an iron hands

And Lele

man the game loves competitively viable pokemon

[graceful flare]

What ev and tera type fir gouging fire

[autumn vault]

I don't know the evs but go tera grass

[cyan smelt]

what about fairy to avoid dragon attacks

[graceful flare]

I want to use howl to boost attack and use it to attack too

[willow vault]

Gliscors ability

If use Munchstats to get a reasonable spread for gouging fire

[autumn vault]

I know what it does

heals 1/8 of the hp at the end of every turn when the user is poisoned

[willow vault]

Yeah, and the joke is that grass is poisonous

So you don’t seem to heal from the grass

Therefore you don’t have poison heal

[autumn vault]

·

So far Zekrom is winning the poll

[willow vault]

I think you should make a terapagos team

Well actually I think you should make a team for which ever restricted your most interested in, but I voted for terapagos

[harsh marsh]

this is my first time trying out competitive, built my own team and although the win to loss ratio isnt exactly impressive, i think its been going really well 🙂

[mighty stump]

Good job

[harsh marsh]

thanks

[mighty stump]

I recommend not caring about your w/l ratio and just focus on learning the game and improving. You'll go further that way

[autumn vault]

Those 3 are my interests, i want to give Zekrom more attention but i love Zama and Terapagos, i already made a Kyogre team

[autumn vault]

Nice

Keep going

[harsh marsh]

yeah thanks, there have definately been learning pains, there are so many game mechanics i didnt even know existed before jumping in. got rolled by some water pledge + grass pledge combo which i still dont understand. and i keep protecting infront of urshifu which i gotta gotta remember to stop doing

[gentle crag]

heywicked has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

I can tell you for free you don't have to worry about Pledge stuff much

[sharp cobalt]

I'd love it if pledge were viable one time

[harsh marsh]

yeah i was so confused, both of them only did like less than 1/3 of my health but my speed was cut in half which i didnt realise, so when i confidently pressed my kill move, i went last and lost

[autumn vault]

Don't be too greedy

[cyan smelt]

rotom definitely does work against caly-i but the team struggles against miraidon

[sharp cobalt]

Rotom viable?

[cyan smelt]

i'm using rotom-wash to do something against caly-i

[willow vault]

I mean there are likely better options but it’s usable

[cyan smelt]

usually just wisp it

[autumn vault]

·

[sharp cobalt]

Sneaks in a vote

[willow vault]

Real question is why Palkia wasn’t an option on the poll?

[sharp cobalt]

GOOD ENOUGH slaps on team

Jk jk

[willow vault]

Go for it

[sharp cobalt]

No I wanted to make an Indeedee-F TR team, Monke was helping but they're alseep I think, or otherwise occupied

[autumn vault]

I don't really like Palkia, if i ever do i would let you know

[willow vault]

Ok

[autumn vault]

I don't want to make a rental for Palkia

I do think it can be a very good pokemon but rn it just needs to be better against the meta and then it can be solid

[willow vault]

That’s totally fair lmao I was joking

[mighty stump]

Palkia

[willow vault]

[charred saddle]

palkia

tunggu gw sls ujian mingndep, siap untuk kelas

[mighty stump]

jshdhj

[charred saddle]

but tofu, after like playing with other restricteds. playing with palkia is such a pain

it deals decent damage, decent bulk and typing, decent speed

theres nothing i can leverage off it

like going for speed investment usually means less damage and like decent bulk --> dies to 2 hko most of the time

but doing the other, means i drop the other. like fuck

and the moves accuracy is so shit

pump miss, spacial rand miss

[willow vault]

And that’s what makes it funny

[dapper crag]

Move: Spacial Rend

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Move: Aeroblast

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Game freak got a bit lazy with em signatures I see

[willow vault]

I think I now understand why we think that calm mind terapagos is better than specs, https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2126078854-6twykejhrg9o04vnshq6ipvf1zshsgqpw

[willow vault]

I mean there is a major difference, spacial rend isn’t a wind move so shiftry can’t ignore the move and get an attack boost

[timber falcon]

Major?

[willow vault]

I mean it’s life changing truly

[sharp cobalt]

Pew

[willow vault]

Pew

[mighty stump]

5-1 to finish the qualifier tour

[sharp cobalt]

I like how you went with it

[willow vault]

I was confused but it seemed like fun

[autumn vault]

Should have been the set at 2nd or first and Indianopolis

[sharp cobalt]

[solid frigate]

aight continue the rental stuff now

[autumn vault]

·

[sharp cobalt]

I voted Lycopoky

[willow vault]

Same

What was my opponents set, like I know this was low ladder but still synchronise indeedee, choice band caly-I, black sludge amoongus and a garchomp. The porygon 2 and incin were fine but all in all very odd

Wait they ran u-turn darkest lariat incin without av either, so only the porygon was a reasonable set

[timber falcon]

Should’ve said pew

[mighty stump]

Pew deez

[solid frigate]

don't say it-

[sharp cobalt]

[willow vault]

You know what must be done

[sharp cobalt]

I suggest we

Move on

[craggy dagger]

[willow vault]

Obamasnow knows your lurking

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/8954ffff226ec324

Thoughts?

I’m genuinely thinking of rocky helmet lugia btw, I think it helps with lacking in physical boosts

[willow vault]

I like it, didn’t realise comfey got tailwind but it’s cool

[timber falcon]

Just in case

[willow vault]

What item would you switch for convey since it currently has rh

[timber falcon]

Sitrus

[willow vault]

Makes sense

[sharp cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/aroa-lacey-pokemon-no-loop-gif-13950632837045253095

[timber falcon]

I’ll take that as a yes

[willow vault]

[sharp cobalt]

Strangely, it does. TR too. Comfey has a surprisingly deep movepool

[willow vault]

I knew it got trick room, cause I run it with trick room

[timber falcon]

Taunt and encore aswell

[sharp cobalt]

I caught a shiny 0 speed IV Comfey, I could TR it

[sharp cobalt]

Knock off too

[timber falcon]

Oh knock off could be nice

[dapper crag]

Move: Knock Off

If the target is holding an item that can be removed from it, ignoring the Sticky Hold Ability, this move's power is multiplied by 1.5. If the user has not fainted, the target loses its held item. This move cannot cause Pokemon with the Sticky Hold Ability to lose their held item or cause a Kyogre, a Groudon, a Giratina, an Arceus, a Genesect, a Silvally, a Zacian, or a Zamazenta to lose their Blue Orb, Red Orb, Griseous Orb, Plate, Drive, Memory, Rusted Sword, or Rusted Shield respectively. Items lost to this move cannot be regained with Recycle or the Harvest Ability.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Idk why I looked that up

[sharp cobalt]

[dapper crag]

Comfey's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bind, Bullet Seed, Covet, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Return, Seed Bomb, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wrap

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Tornado, Magical Leaf, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

After You, Ally Switch, Amnesia, Aromatherapy, Attract, Calm Mind, Celebrate, Charm, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Floral Healing, Flower Shield, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Nature Power, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Tailwind, Taunt, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Comfey.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

comfeyyyyyyy

[timber falcon]

Look at those status moves lmao

[willow vault]

I think my last opponent was a psycho, I was running a terapagos team they had a zamazenta team and they didn’t bring zamazenta game 1, safe to say they promptly got 2-0’d

[solid frigate]

that guy isn't a psycho

that guy is an Idiot

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/moron-alert-siren-moron-alert-idiot-gif-6303418212934483985

[scarlet otter]

Thx

[gentle crag]

retiredwithna has given 1 Gen Rep to crephace

[timber falcon]

Maybe they’re just so smart we cannot understand

And they lost because u made a dumb move which couldn’t be read

[willow vault]

No that is reserved for that miraidon

[sharp cobalt]

GF was like
'What status moves do we give Comfey?'
'Idk, just all support stuff I guess.'

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 764: Comfey

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Flower Veil, Triage, Natural Cure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

51/52/90/82/110/100

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Comfey's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Bind, Bullet Seed, Facade, Fling, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Seed Bomb, Thief, Trailblaze, U-turn, Vine Whip, Wrap

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Magical Leaf, Petal Dance, Pollen Puff, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

After You, Amnesia, Calm Mind, Charm, Encore, Endure, Floral Healing, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Synthesis, Tailwind, Taunt, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Comfey.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

it’s got decent bulk as well as

[scarlet otter]

Facts

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah that always surprises me

[craggy dagger]

+3 prio on healing moves i think

[autumn vault]

With 51 HP? No

[dapper crag]

Ability: Triage

This Pokemon's healing moves have their priority increased by 3.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Same as fake out

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[sharp cobalt]

Doesnt Pex have like, base 60?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 748: Toxapex

Types

Poison/Water

Abilities

Merciless, Limber, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/63/152/53/142/35

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

But the defences are monstrous

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-cat-hyper-gif-9540792418684483949

[autumn vault]

Saying comfey is bulky is like saying Excadrill is bulky
Look at the stats, no it doesn't

[sharp cobalt]

But doesnt low HP kind of help Comfey with what it wants to do? It gets Draining Kiss at +3, slap a big root and if it chonks smth, good healing

[autumn vault]

Big Root is not a good item

[sharp cobalt]

But its not a glass cannon either. It has the bulk to do what it wants to do, but nothing to write home about

[timber falcon]

Stall teams:

Wo chien enjoyment fr

[autumn vault]

So chien, the regional of Wo-Chien

[craggy dagger]

defense wise-
i say defense but really spdef
i realize it’s not the best in terms of hp

[sharp cobalt]

Comfey to Chien: 'lme just give you a lil kiss''

[solid frigate]

love the Live Wo Chien Reaction

[craggy dagger]

and also you can heal really easily so comfey doesn’t need as much hp bulk imo

[sharp cobalt]

Its serviceable

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[sharp cobalt]

[solid frigate]

anyways i am almost done with Dawn WIngs Rental Notes now, i only need to make the Pros and Cons

[craggy dagger]

sure i guess

[craggy dagger]

you haven’t gone to bed yet-

[sharp cobalt]

Also who and why made a Comfey team

[autumn vault]

Good Luck

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

i have, i just woke up

[autumn vault]

[timber falcon]

Will dark types in general be a con

[craggy dagger]

ohhh i see

[autumn vault]

Why not? of course

[solid frigate]

well not really,You have Urshifu Dark and Chi Yu

plus when i do testing, i don't get walled by dark types

[timber falcon]

Dawn wings when snarl chi-yu

[autumn vault]

How is this tier list?

[solid frigate]

i actually beat a Snarl Incin with that team

[autumn vault]

Nice

[sharp cobalt]

It was Monke

[timber falcon]

I disagree

[autumn vault]

¿?

[timber falcon]

I think lugia is much too low, it did decent in the regional

Compared to reshiram???

[autumn vault]

Lugia is imo not that good

[autumn vault]

Atleast Blue Flare and Draco can do good damage, unlike Lugia without CM

[willow vault]

I think caly-s is slightly to low I think it’s definitively at worst top of A

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

How much do you think i overrated Zekrom?

[timber falcon]

Nothing wrong with setting up, at least u can see some lugias when testing

[solid frigate]

Lugia needs a Fuck load of CMs to do damage

[willow vault]

Yes

[autumn vault]

Want me to put it in S tier?

[timber falcon]

2 is enough tbh

[craggy dagger]

true but you can safely setup with screens and healing

[craggy dagger]

it’s really not unless you’re running modest

[solid frigate]

even for Terapagos i don't think 2 is enough-

[timber falcon]

True

[willow vault]

No, I’d say put dawn wings (whichever one is necrozma + Lunala) above it but other than that I don’t think your zekrom placement is too bad

[solid frigate]

Tell that to my Screens Turtle team before

[craggy dagger]

considering i’m running lugia so-

[willow vault]

Also even though lugia isn’t amazing it’s not that bad

[craggy dagger]

i should know a little bit abt how lugia works

[timber falcon]

Bro it’s more than enough for performance depending on the stats, it’s like saying specs isn’t enough when we’ve seen it can be

[craggy dagger]

yeah

it’s not the best that’s for sure-
but it’s fun to play with so

[willow vault]

If your having fun using it, keep using it don’t let us deter you

[solid frigate]

did you forgot what my EVs are in CM Terapagos-

132 SpA.

[craggy dagger]

i don’t think you can deter me is the thing-

[autumn vault]

I think you are overrating Dawn Wings too much

It's not B tier imo

[timber falcon]

Yeah which is why I said it depends

[solid frigate]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

It's Lunala but Slower and Worse ability

[craggy dagger]

what’s this tier list for-?

[solid frigate]

Slower isn't a problem but wtf is the Bulk

[south shuttle]

Finally Ive gotten to 1400 on nat dex Ubers

[timber falcon]

I still think lugia is too low

[craggy dagger]

ooo nice nice

[south shuttle]

is gxe w/l ratio?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 249: Lugia

Types

Psychic/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/90/130/90/154/110

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[willow vault]

I just said better than zekrom

[timber falcon]

Average chance of winning against someone in the ladder iicr

[willow vault]

And zekrom is in c tier so I’m not saying it’s b tier

[timber falcon]

I also think the tier list isn’t made with much experience against/using most of those mons

[south shuttle]

wow

[craggy dagger]

yeah….

[south shuttle]

i have a 70% win chance in doubles ou

thats pretty nice

[solid frigate]

but honestly,Putting Zekrom and Lugia with each other feels.... something is wrong

[timber falcon]

Wym together?

[solid frigate]

i'll show you my take on the list later

[south shuttle]

origin palkia is that bad?

[sharp cobalt]

Time to take out some BBA trainers with my cough expertly made cough team

[solid frigate]

i don't feel like its good compare to Regular Palkia

[south shuttle]

poor giratina, that powercreep was too much for it

[solid frigate]

its fast but its not as fast as Koraidon it hits hard but its not Miraidon,Caly S and Kyurem White Level

plus if you ask Crephace,Hydro Pump and Draco Miss

[timber falcon]

much better

(lugia placement)

[south shuttle]

if its that slow then i understand

[solid frigate]

its still low C tier cuz it can't do damage without Calm Mind so yeah

[craggy dagger]

that’s valid

[solid frigate]

actually Palkia Slower is better cuz of Trick Room

[timber falcon]

reasonable

[willow vault]

Palkia in general is bad

[solid frigate]

plus you can hold an Item

[south shuttle]

origin dialga is just a strict upgrade to regular dialga, no wonder its higher

[solid frigate]

its attacks actually Lands, it's the same speed stat so it does not change that much on play style

[willow vault]

Stop reminding me

[craggy dagger]

both dialga and palkia doesnr see much usage until double restricted

[solid frigate]

sorry

[south shuttle]

just higher spatk

[solid frigate]

no its higher SpD

Adamant Crystal Helps it

[willow vault]

It’s fine

[mighty stump]

Kyurem needs to go down, Groudon needs to go up

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Kyurem White Go Down? Ok

[mighty stump]

Kyu-W is like

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/120/120/150/100/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Dialga-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

B at most

[south shuttle]

ohh i didnt know that

[solid frigate]

done

[south shuttle]

interesting

[solid frigate]

trading Atk for SpD

[sharp cobalt]

I like that Lunala's so high

[craggy dagger]

lunala rep

[solid frigate]

Lunala has very great Utility,i used it and i loved it

[charred saddle]

CA zacian

[timber falcon]

what u think of lugia team

[craggy dagger]

LEOOOOO

[willow vault]

Lunala is very solid but I expect it to be far more used in double restricted

[charred saddle]

+1 130 base is still better than 150 +1 but gets threatened by parting shot and intim

[mighty stump]

I still think Lugia is shit

Lol

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/508ebe8690f00422 the team is wat matters

[solid frigate]

who knows? maybe it can still be one of the best Restricteds in Double

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

It's a team

[timber falcon]

one mans shit is another mans treasure

[craggy dagger]

[willow vault]

Well yeah it’s support has been very well known to be effective in double restricteds

[charred saddle]

the thing with like bulky and like heals and all of that stuff. is that ur prone to crits and like secondary effects like burn flinch or para

[timber falcon]

dont get me wrong i know lugia isnt good, i just wanna see of i can pilot it to make it seem good

[charred saddle]

yeah ur bulky. but u need lots of calm mind to actually do damage

and that setups turn can also mean that the opposing can setup freely or fish for crits and other

[craggy dagger]

yeah…
that’s the one downside lugia has is it needs to setup setup setup

[timber falcon]

idk about "actually do damage" claim, i win games with 2 cm

[mighty stump]

You can say it works/is viable. Being good or looking good is a completely different matter lol

[charred saddle]

yeah thats 2 turns of setup

[mighty stump]

Setup turns are pretty easy to get going with

So it's not that big of a deal

Esp with Multiscale

[timber falcon]

especially with multiscale

[timber falcon]

ik, its niche

[charred saddle]

didnt mean that setup is hard, more like that 2 turn of setup can be translated as in damage with other restricteds

[mighty stump]

True

[charred saddle]

like other restricteds arent that strict into setting up

[sharp cobalt]

Lunala is one f the legends I like, it has a great design imo

[charred saddle]

but lugia even with right MU still needs CM to get like OHKO or get it going

dont get me wrong tho, i like playing setups and that type of team

i used giratina CM

[autumn vault]

I can tell you hate stall

[dapper crag]

Move: Eerie Impulse

Lowers the target's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/93ff1a28f70b2ced

twave to hex, WoW to hex

[timber falcon]

why does eerie impulse affect ground

robbery

[autumn vault]

Because it's eerie

[solid frigate]

this is bs

[autumn vault]

Ok but seriously idk why

[timber falcon]

it is bs, i swap into lando so that exactly dont happen

[mighty stump]

Do you want Helping Hand to fail on Ghost-types?

[timber falcon]

yes

[mighty stump]

No wonder you play Lugia

[charred saddle]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

Gholdengo moment

[mighty stump]

I guess Ghost-types should also ignore Follow Me

🤷‍♂️

[charred saddle]

nah thats annoying

[timber falcon]

but tofu at the same time, eerie impulse dont effect electric

[autumn vault]

We don't need more buffs to Flutter mane or CSR

[mighty stump]

Yes it does 😭

[timber falcon]

i was blind they used twave

[dapper crag]

Move: Eerie Impulse

Lowers the target's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

This is the guy trying to make changes to the game

[autumn vault]

I don't see anything on affecting electric types or ground types

[timber falcon]

inconsitency is key

[autumn vault]

Reactive players > Proactive players

(Its a joke btw, Proactive is better)

[craggy dagger]

[willow vault]

[autumn vault]

Remember this Vid Creph?

The one that has Proactive and Reactive

[mighty stump]

Just proactively react

easy

[willow vault]

I remember the video, it was good

[autumn vault]

There is a reason on why i kept that in my notes

[autumn vault]

And the funny thing is, i discovered i was both at the same time

[willow vault]

Because you’re a reactive player rather than a proactive player?

[sharp cobalt]

Pre-act

[autumn vault]

No, both

[willow vault]

How do I do that

[autumn vault]

A mix of both

[solid frigate]

alright Rental notes done, time to put the team into the Rental code and we all set

[willow vault]

Wooooo

[solid frigate]

while doing that imma go an Shower

[willow vault]

What do i do if I physically can’t react?

[charred saddle]

i saw u typing kris

[autumn vault]

This describes the average internet person

Credit: MonkeVGC

[willow vault]

Not funny monke sent that yesterday

It’s hilarious instead

[bold geode]

Morning Tofu

[charred saddle]

are you typing an essay kris?

[autumn vault]

Probably

[north pagoda]

No, I just typed one character and opened another app

[charred saddle]

oh

[autumn vault]

Bro we thought you were writing a Lavos rage quit type of essay

[sharp cobalt]

Monke

[gentle crag]

Reminder for @mighty stump

Reminder from YAGPDB

check rentals

[autumn vault]

It works btw

The paste works

[north pagoda]

I wasn’t even here

[sharp cobalt]

Me in BB: I hope my Comfey won't get poisoned.
Also me: forgets I gave him a covert cloak

[mighty stump]

Nice

[solid frigate]

alright

[south shuttle]

its so easy to defeat clodsire with any water type

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah, just ice beam it

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 980: Clodsire

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Water Absorb, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/75/60/45/100/20

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

is it just me or are people running more and pretty speedy lunalas

[charred saddle]

it has water absorb

[solid frigate]

dunno

anyways Rental coming up

[charred saddle]

goodluck on guessing wether it uses unaware or absorb

[sharp cobalt]

As I said, Ice Beam it

[autumn vault]

I just realized this has a 4x ice weakness, who should i remove (not koraidon)?

https://pokepast.es/732fc0b4ea7c026f

[charred saddle]

not u but ye

or just use ground type move which is more common than ice types

[sharp cobalt]

But the person said they were using a water type, and most water types learn ice moves, which is why I said that

[bold geode]

How was tour?

[autumn vault]

·

[bold geode]

I think you remove Koraidon

[south shuttle]

1% of people run water absorb over unaware

[bold geode]

Other way around

[south shuttle]

every single clodsire i have fought, i have never fought one with water absorb

[bold geode]

Well then you fighting some weird Clodsires

[solid frigate]

Kyogre when Clodsire does not have Water Absorb:

Free Food

[charred saddle]

what format are you playing?

[sharp cobalt]

[south shuttle]

singles ou

[autumn vault]

·

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah most of those tend to be unaware

[bold geode]

Oh that's different
So the ones in VGC (when they exist), run Water Absorb

[charred saddle]

first of all. yeah ou had different usage

but still 1%?

[south shuttle]

isnt storm drain better

[mighty stump]

Monke giving false info

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

It was a different format ok

[south shuttle]

i was exaggerating, but still unaware is run more

[mighty stump]

Its rarely WAbsorb

[craggy dagger]

poison point clod ?

[charred saddle]

clod is shitty tho

[south shuttle]

thats what i thought

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/clodsire-clodsiredance-clodsire-dance-clod-clod-sire-gif-1734953363978862951

[bold geode]

It runs Unaware in VGC?

[mighty stump]

Yes lol

[autumn vault]

No

[mighty stump]

It was the only one to Unaware + Haze into Dozo

[autumn vault]

·

[solid frigate]

#rental_teams message

Finally, done

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 (ID 758873265053106217)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Dropping the third Rental from TorrentAegis and FIrst Dawn Wings Rental Here!
Name:Dawn Wings/Magolor's Redemption
Code:0SMRHR
Format:VGC 2024 Regulation G
Paste:https://pokepast.es/bfb9ca515e0bed0a
Notes:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BH6Hi7BE1_BLmVleKDJjEShiH6EpyeduPTwMSOFyyBo/edit

Command triggered by morrispxg456. Message from · May 19, 2024, 1:52 PM

[willow vault]

Very nice

[solid frigate]

that took me more energy than asking 3 trades of Raging bolt,Tornadus and Landorus

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/732fc0b4ea7c026f I have 4 lance Weaknesses, who do i remove?

Also i decided to make the next rental for Koraidon

[solid frigate]

idk...

[south shuttle]

can you only get raging bolt once?

[autumn vault]

Per safe file? Yes

[south shuttle]

oh obviously walking wake cant

[solid frigate]

i am Violet and i am asking one

[south shuttle]

cant you trade iron crown for it

or any shiny

[solid frigate]

no i wanna do something with it

[solid frigate]

well i traded my 1/2 Shiny Latias for Bolt and Apriballs for Landorus

[willow vault]

Psyspam?

[autumn vault]

Do you really need to adress this?

[charred saddle]

half shiny latias?

[south shuttle]

:0

[autumn vault]

I mean, we all know

[craggy dagger]

huh-

[willow vault]

I think that meant 1 of 2

[autumn vault]

indeedee falls to dark types super easily unless it has D-Gleam

[solid frigate]

maybe

[solid frigate]

Just for stupid Blind People like 1UK3

[solid frigate]

i have 2 Shiny Latias

i trade 1 away

[timber falcon]

and i lost to minimize zama great

umburden driftblim then baton pass

even though its minimize i feel like i missed way too many hits

[autumn vault]

And I'm I'm I'm

[solid frigate]

yep.

[autumn vault]

And Cornucopia

[solid frigate]

cuz is that ain't obvious Enough

[autumn vault]

(Corny)

[willow vault]

Kowtow kleave Kingambit could have helped against driftblim

[dapper crag]

Move: Kowtow Cleave

This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[north pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/playstation-access-scum-psa-ashleigh-millman-gif-24088529

[solid frigate]

Kingambit:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Slice

[timber falcon]

if only i had accounted for that exact situation

to make it worse, they got a lucky ass roll and taunt missed after 1 minimize

[autumn vault]

Kingambit when Kowtow Cleave: Dont look from behind me pls

[autumn vault]

Bo1?

[timber falcon]

yep and ofc cts

[solid frigate]

cts is just bs sometimes

[timber falcon]

also found out the hard way that clear smog affects through cloak

[willow vault]

I think you mean all the time

[solid frigate]

how-

[autumn vault]

[timber falcon]

its dumbn

[dapper crag]

Item: Covert Cloak

Holder is not affected by the secondary effect of another Pokemon's attack.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Move: Clear Smog

Resets all of the target's stat stages to 0.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Move: Clear Smog

Resets all of the target's stat stages to 0.

Type

Poison

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Move: Snarl

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Dark

Category

Special

Power

55

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

thats a secondary effect,how tf

[timber falcon]

exactly, it does damage first

[autumn vault]

Showdown bug

[solid frigate]

is it really tho

[autumn vault]

Probably

The stat reset IS a secondary effect

[solid frigate]

Yep

[willow vault]

Or is the damage the secondary effect

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/732fc0b4ea7c026f 4x Ice weakness, any changes?

[autumn vault]

This is Chadraidon team

[timber falcon]

looks fine 2 me

[autumn vault]

Chadraidon = Koraidon

[willow vault]

Don’t have so many ice weaknesses then

[solid frigate]

Koraidon removes Ice Types

[autumn vault]

Koraidon Venusaur Tornadus Bolt

[willow vault]

That’s a lot

[solid frigate]

koraidon removes Ice Types tho

You have Blitz

[autumn vault]

True but what about calyrex ice? Then i am forced to bring 2 lance weaknesses against it

[mighty stump]

Im like -3 against Ice with Koraidon

Its fine

Lol

[willow vault]

Especially with pelliper

[mighty stump]

Snorlax carries

🆒

[willow vault]

To remove sun

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[mighty stump]

I mean top 4'd a tour

So

It is fine

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 198-234 (95.6 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[autumn vault]

Raging Bolt seeing pelican food:

[timber falcon]

oh nice

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/w2xbSKYHlR4?si=OmhV0jO4iXxnzufo

I think we know who is the guy who uses Cosmoem-

[autumn vault]

Cosmoem > Cosmog

[willow vault]

You?

[solid frigate]

no

[autumn vault]

You play Palkia ofc you go to a stupid conclussion - Probably (not) Tofu

[dapper crag]

Move: Coaching

Raises the target's Attack and Defense by 1 stage. Fails if there is no ally adjacent to the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[willow vault]

Cosmoem > Calyre-Ice

[mighty stump]

That was a stupid conclusion - me

[willow vault]

No I’m just stupid, Palkia has nothing to do with it

[autumn vault]

Cosmog > Cosmoem > Calyrex Ice

[willow vault]

And you call me stupid

[autumn vault]

Its what we call: Sarcasm

[willow vault]

[charred saddle]

what does mienshao usually run

wideguard CC and?

and FO

[bold geode]

Yeah
Sometimes Feint
Moxie ran U Turn

[autumn vault]

An Italian Hobo has spawned!

[little plank]

Great win to stsrt the day, dondozo is really helping this team out.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2126131777

[solid frigate]

noic

[mighty stump]

BPress Dozo gud

[little plank]

He couldn't get past the Don lol

[charred saddle]

im starting to hate play rough

missed it twice in a row and almost lost a guaranteed win

[dull ibex]

VC?

[charred saddle]

get fucked boieh

[willow vault]

Amoongus the MVP, so damn clutch.https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2126139635

[solid frigate]

amog us

[willow vault]

2 dodges and a ton of spores, my MVP

[autumn vault]

Amonguss >> Showdown Chatrooms

[willow vault]

Looking back at the game I did make quite a reactive move by cc’ing the sleeping terapagos when I could have cc’d the Tornadus and pollen puff still does what it needs to without requiring a dodge, but amoongus bailed me out

I should have been more proactive and removed the torn with my Urshifu

[autumn vault]

It costed Amogus it's money by bailing you out

And life

[willow vault]

We take those, thank you amoongus 👑

[autumn vault]

And i saw some people in a YT comment section say Amoonguss < Ogerpon because of miraidon, they didn't know what they were talking about

[solid frigate]

amogus the goat

[willow vault]

Also I have chien-pao to remove terrain so I can spore miraidon, I believe monke shared that tech

[autumn vault]

The worst gen for amoonguss is gen 9 and it is still killing it

[solid frigate]

Yep

[little plank]

I hate playing against amoonguss lol

Every time I bring dozo against it so I can tera grass it ends up having clear smog on it.

[willow vault]

Unfortunate

[little plank]

But I still got my goal of top 500 on showdown with it so going to push for top 250 and make a couple changes and might be my new team lol EVs are kinda all over the place currently

https://pokepast.es/e780d1125714e58a

That's the team so far

[willow vault]

Terapagos balance with dondozo, interesting

[willow vault]

You play bo1 cts or bo3 ots?

[little plank]

Currently only bo1 but once I make my needed changes going to push bo3

[willow vault]

Ok

[autumn vault]

Building my Koraidom team in game rn

[mighty stump]

You can also consider Focus Sash Mirror Coat/Counter Tatsu

It’s a really good closer

Especially against strong threats that are difficult to KO

[little plank]

That's interesting lol

[mighty stump]

Worked well enough for me in Bo3

[solid frigate]

why do i want to change my Terapagos Back to CM Balance-

[willow vault]

It wasn’t already?

[solid frigate]

i changed to specs

[willow vault]

Oh

Have a chicken

[solid frigate]

i need to craft a new Team for it

[solid frigate]

KFC : )

[willow vault]

No

I guess I’ll eat my tortle soup in return then

[solid frigate]

i am still thinking of what new team should i build for Terapagos

[willow vault]

For specs chi-you is great, so is torn

[solid frigate]

Hmmmm

Terapagos,Chi Yu,Pelipper,Urshifu Dark,Cresselia?

idfk i am stumped

[graceful flare]

Bro I love black ops 3

I used to play it all the time

[willow vault]

Best of 3

[dull ibex]

womp womp

[solid frigate]

[willow vault]

Not black ops

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/skating-basketball-slam-dunk-ice-gif-24361241

[mighty stump]

See someone I really disliked made that joke in the past

[willow vault]

[mighty stump]

Now I’m suspicious

[dull ibex]

btw vgc stream?

[willow vault]

I remember seeing that joke before, it wasn’t funny

[graceful flare]

Bo3 means black ops 3

[willow vault]

Sure

[dull ibex]

It means best of 3 please stop

[willow vault]

Not in a pokemon server

[graceful flare]

Ig it can mean best of 3 too

[dull ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1241614761423278160

[mighty stump]

See someone who also Deleted their discord account

made the exact same joke

[dull ibex]

its for sure a lame joke

[graceful flare]

It's not a joke I acc thought u were talking abt bo3

[south shuttle]

Multiple people play Bo3

[mighty stump]

And no one has ever confused Bo3 for blops

[graceful flare]

Well I have then

[mighty stump]

Especially not in a competitive pokemon chat

[dull ibex]

literally how

[graceful flare]

I'm not a vgc expert

I don't spend all day pmaying vgc

I started like 3 months ago

And play maybe 2 or 3 matchs a day

[dull ibex]

you are in a pokemon chat actively talking about comp and you thought someone meant call of duty 😭

[south shuttle]

Why isn’t gastrodon used more in VGC?

[mighty stump]

Sometimes it is

Storm Drain yawnbot. Just feels passive at times

Storm Drain also doesn’t exactly stop Spread

[south shuttle]

? I thought it did

[mighty stump]

At most you get to stop Urshifu but you can do that with Amoonguss

[graceful flare]

Amongus is extremely annoying

Frost moth gets widegaurd

I learned that the hard way yesterda

[mighty stump]

I vaguely remember there was a list of Wide Guard users pinned

Don’t know where it went

[dull ibex]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2126166684 poor playing ⭐

[molten oasis]

open up the vc more

[dull ibex]

done

[molten oasis]

thx

i hate this mic

[dull ibex]

can tofu retire again

[solid frigate]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[willow vault]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[mighty stump]

I believe

[willow vault]

My nightmares

[molten oasis]

kill it

[dull ibex]

legends ZA vgc here we come

[mighty stump]

Sus link

Sus

[willow vault]

The only counter to mega-Incineroar

[willow vault]

Calyrex-fairy rider

[harsh depot]

@dull ibex Whoever is in charge of the VC, may I please join?

[dull ibex]

done

[autumn vault]

True, it feels very familiar

[autumn vault]

And i was the target

[whole ibex]

May please I join vc?

[bold geode]

@mighty stump I got question bro

[willow vault]

No questions allowed

[dapper crag]

Move: Dragon Darts

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. In Double Battles, this move attempts to hit the targeted Pokemon and its ally once each. If hitting one of these Pokemon would be prevented by immunity, protection, semi-invulnerability, an Ability, or accuracy, it attempts to hit the other Pokemon twice instead. If this move is redirected, it hits that target twice.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[bold geode]

Come in now

[dapper crag]

Move: Wide Guard

The user and its party members are protected from moves made by other Pokemon, including allies, during this turn that target all adjacent foes or all adjacent Pokemon. This move modifies the same 1/X chance of being successful used by other protection moves, where X starts at 1 and triples each time this move is successfully used, but does not use the chance to check for failure. X resets to 1 if this move fails, if the user's last move used is not Baneful Bunker, Burning Bulwark, Detect, Endure, King's Shield, Max Guard, Obstruct, Protect, Quick Guard, Silk Trap, Spiky Shield, or Wide Guard, or if it was one of those moves and the user's protection was broken. Fails if the user moves last this turn or if this move is already in effect for the user's side.

Type

Rock

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

What question.

No

DDarts doesn't get blocked by Wide Guard

[bold geode]

Thank

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[graceful flare]

What is a gen re0

Rep

[timber falcon]

in OU are there limits to items?

[pearl wind]

no

you can run the same item 6 times if you want

[timber falcon]

ok ty

30 turns into ou and no deaths

[autumn vault]

Must be stall

[sharp cobalt]

Yeah thats normal

[autumn vault]

OU is no longer fun for me ngl

[timber falcon]

thats them

[sharp cobalt]

Oh thats stall

[autumn vault]

I knew it

[sharp cobalt]

Oh my poor person

This is why I dont like Toxapex

[timber falcon]

god infestation taxapex is boring

[sharp cobalt]

Gliscor, too, actually

[autumn vault]

I used to use max SpA modest toxapex with acid spray, it did very well

[sharp cobalt]

The AV set?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[timber falcon]

TOXAPEX DEAD

[sharp cobalt]

[timber falcon]

FINALLY

[willow vault]

[sharp cobalt]

Screw all regenerator Toxapexes

[autumn vault]

Good, 150 turns left

What is your OU team OT?

[timber falcon]

im stealing that toxapex

[willow vault]

Only 175 turns actually

[timber falcon]

oh i went with smth fun

[autumn vault]

Stealth Rocks are very good against stall

[timber falcon]

full renenarator lmao

[sharp cobalt]

Ironically, poison mono is known for being triple regenerator

Glowking, Pex, Amoonguss

[misty helm]

would an offense oriented set be any good on alolan ninetales

[autumn vault]

Not sure

[timber falcon]

theyre defo mad at me rn lol, currentyl 6-4

and they forfeit

[misty helm]

Blizzard nasty plot moonblast

[sharp cobalt]

Youd prefer freeze dry

Wait, what format

[misty helm]

Battle stadium singles

[sharp cobalt]

Freeze Dry

The coverage is so useful

[misty helm]

right after I just used a pp max on blizzard

what good coverage moves do you recommend

[sharp cobalt]

Freeze Dry, Moonblast tends to be all you need

Tera ground

Or fire

[misty helm]

so would you run nasty plot and aurora vale

[sharp cobalt]

Uhm... really depends...

AVeil makes it easier to setup, you can run encore to ruin other setuppers

Or you can run coverage with something to wreck steel types

[misty helm]

what about dark pulse/shadow ball is that any good

[next stump]

not sure if this has been shared already

[mighty stump]

Santiago?

Did you see the winning Singapore Nationals team?

Damn

One CIR

Paul Ruiz running CSR and Kommo-o to beat CIR

And Terapagos I assume

You know what I considered? Cobalion

Discount Zama

[timber falcon]

god moves that dont have 100% accuracy always miss in singles wtf

i thought bleakwind missed a lot

i have yet to hit hurricane

[misty helm]

why is clefairy on two teams

[mighty stump]

Its a good support for Pagos/CSR

[graceful flare]

Is roaring moon viable

[timber falcon]

cause of eviolite and redirection

[mighty stump]

Friend Guard/Heal Pulse or After You is very appreciated

Especially with the fact that both have a weakness to Darkshifu

Which Clefairy just entirely walls

[timber falcon]

also volcarona is there

[graceful flare]

.

[mighty stump]

Viable? Probably

[graceful flare]

Then why doesn't anyone use it

[mighty stump]

Because Viable doesn't mean Good

[timber falcon]

i hate OU im going back to vgc

[strange fjord]

Viable means usable in the right team. doesn't mean a meta pick rn

[molten oasis]

good vgc is better

[timber falcon]

30 turns for no decent progress each match is crazy

[mighty stump]

Generally some mons already own x4 weaknesses that are far stronger than Roaring Moon. Roaring Moon also is a tera-hog and suffers against Incineroar.

[dapper crag]

Roaring Moon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fly, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Lash Out, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Rock Slide, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Take Down, Throat Chop, Thunder Fang, U-turn, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Snarl, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Leer, Protect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Roaring Moon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[misty helm]

do you guys think I need to rework my team for the current rule set and upcoming rule sets

[molten oasis]

if you dont have a restricted yes

[timber falcon]

why not is the question u should be asking

cant really do much abt upcoming rn

[timber falcon]

each hot chip?

[mighty stump]

Jaw Lock DDance can be interesting with ClAM

[timber falcon]

what is clam

[mighty stump]

Clear Amulet

[timber falcon]

ok

[next stump]

zama mirror in finals of santiago

[bold geode]

Ah
Not streamed I guess huh

[strange fjord]

reference to a meme

[mighty stump]

Dang

[timber falcon]

zama gonna take 2 regionals in a row huh]

[graceful flare]

I need to ask this one question but it might ne rude

[timber falcon]

go on

[graceful flare]

It's for tofu

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[bold geode]

Zamazenta really just the big dog huh

[graceful flare]

I swear he's on the chat 24 7

[timber falcon]

begginers luck

[bold geode]

Also team report for updated Zamazenta team should be out tonight?

Maybe

[mighty stump]

Im in a completely different time-zone.

[graceful flare]

Do u go to school or like work if u don't mind answering

[mighty stump]

I work as a veterinarian

Currently I'm just waiting on my visa to move to Singapore.

[bold geode]

Tofu you know what that Zamazenta spread you gave me does on the physical bulk side?

[mighty stump]

Pretty sure I made that as a dump.

[strange fjord]

bro working with irl pokemon

[bold geode]

Lol ok

Guess I'll run calcs later

[mighty stump]

That is the job.

[mighty stump]

Honestly it probably was just to improve the damage roll into Incineroar

[bold geode]

Oh I had 172 Impish so lmao

[mighty stump]

I mean the main calc was not dying to Heat Wave and whatever speed I put it at

If i did

[bold geode]

Yeah

151 final

[mighty stump]

Yep

[graceful flare]

What do I run on koraidon held item and move set

[strange fjord]

clear amulet probably

[molten oasis]

koraidon runs clear amu and ive seen scarf here and there

[graceful flare]

Why scard

[strange fjord]

to go fast

[molten oasis]

outspeeding things is good

[graceful flare]

Who is bluds opps💀

[strange fjord]

zoom

[molten oasis]

?

[graceful flare]

He has 135 speed

[molten oasis]

you outspeed other scarf mons and some select things in tw

[graceful flare]

Bluds opps are usian bolt

[strange fjord]

So is Miraidon, Flutter Mane and Calyrex Shadow

[willow vault]

That last turn lmao https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2126229151

[molten oasis]

alr, forget i said anything then

[graceful flare]

Fair thoug

But tailwind clear

I don't tera that much bc the animat8on is so long

I tera only when I really really need it

What move set for koraidon

[molten oasis]

[misty helm]

which would you say is one of the best offense oriented fire types that aren't legendary

[mighty stump]

Flare Blitz/Protect/Collision Course/Flame Charge or Swords Dance

[molten oasis]

restricted legend or just legendary?

[graceful flare]

Should I run Swords Dance if I already have howl gouging fire

[molten oasis]

cuz depending on that your options are very slim

[misty helm]

just legendary so no chi-yu

[mighty stump]

Depends if you want to depend on Gouging Fire or not

[molten oasis]

...

[graceful flare]

Not really

[mighty stump]

Then run Swords Dance

[graceful flare]

What abt u turn

[molten oasis]

theres like

[mighty stump]

Also fine

[molten oasis]

chandelure

torkoal

[mighty stump]

U-Turn can be used to particular use when going against Pelipper teams

[molten oasis]

harc is very ok

volcarona

[misty helm]

ninetales any good

[molten oasis]

arma/ceru are decent

ninetales is ass

[misty helm]

salazzle

charizard

[molten oasis]

is also bad

the ones i named are the ones that can work

[mighty stump]

Charizard is worse Chi-Yu

[graceful flare]

Protect or howl for gouing fire

[molten oasis]

burning bulwark* and it depends on the set

[graceful flare]

Yeah sorry

[molten oasis]

what do you currently have

[graceful flare]

I was gonna type that

[misty helm]

okay I might do charizard if that's your comparison

[charred saddle]

talking bout that, i just played against fire tera choice specs charizard

[graceful flare]

I'm making the moveset rn

[charred saddle]

its annoying

[molten oasis]

most gouging fire's are heat crash/flare blitz a couple choices of breaking swipe/snarl/howl and then burning bulwark. usually its blitz swipe howl bulwark

[molten oasis]

rip

[mighty stump]

Its only Protect if you're playing YawnTomb

[graceful flare]

What is yawn tomb

[molten oasis]

dondozo yawn ting lu sand tomb

[mighty stump]

Yawn + Sand Tomb

[molten oasis]

trapping stuff

[mighty stump]

Usually just Dozo-Ting

[willow vault]

How to beat Miraidon with Palkia, don't bring Palkia: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2126234011

[graceful flare]

What dragon type move for korai

[mighty stump]

Usually you don't

[misty helm]

I think I'm gonna run inteleon

[graceful flare]

U talking to me?

[mighty stump]

Who else

[graceful flare]

Fair

It just sounded odd not to use a dragon move

[mighty stump]

Coverage was just not desirable.

DClaw can be ok to hit the things you want to try and hit that you can't usually like Pelipper

But most of the time it's almost always better to just switch out

[misty helm]

any of your thoughts on inteleon

[mighty stump]

I don't see what Inteleon can bring that is relevant to the current metagame

[graceful flare]

Amazing but not viable as zekrom Stan said

[molten oasis]

just run urshifu or if you want a special attacking water type run wake

[graceful flare]

Is urshifu good with korai

[molten oasis]

single strike is okay but i wouldnt run 2 mons 4x weak to fairy

[misty helm]

are those the only things that it does worse than

[molten oasis]

inteleon is just bad

any relevant special attacker is better

chi yu flutter mirai etc

[graceful flare]

Is water shif u good then

[molten oasis]

not with koraidon

but yes its very good

[misty helm]

I'd like to at least try my favorite starter

[graceful flare]

What last move for gouging fire my moveset is bulwark howl breaking swipe

[molten oasis]

flare blitz

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 818: Inteleon

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sniper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/65/125/65/120

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[graceful flare]

I already have it on korai

[misty helm]

before dismissing it as garbage

[molten oasis]

ok, you can run 2 mons with flare blitz

whats the issue here?

[patent marsh]

How is heat crash calcs with Gouging fire now?

[molten oasis]

blitz is imo better

just more consistent damage especially into ice rider

[solid frigate]

its 120 BP vs like idk inconsistent damage

[graceful flare]

I wanna run stomping tantrum bc I have no ground moves

On my team

[molten oasis]

who's stopping you at this point

[graceful flare]

Is that stupid

[molten oasis]

run flare blitz

[graceful flare]

I have ptsd from raging bolt tho

[solid frigate]

Run Flare Blitz

[molten oasis]

ok, run something for raging bolt

[forest arrow]

[willow vault]

Run Flair Blitz

[molten oasis]

fluttermane

[graceful flare]

I was more scared seeing a raging bolt then I was playing resident evil 7

[molten oasis]

you're own raging bolt

[misty helm]

do you think I can make Porygon-Z work

[molten oasis]

its fine

what format are you playing in?

[misty helm]

battle stadium singles

[graceful flare]

Ah hell nah

[patent marsh]

Ah singles

[molten oasis]

ahhhh, yea we cant help that much

[graceful flare]

Vgc clear

[molten oasis]

we play primarily doubles vgc

[graceful flare]

Yeah let's bully him into playing vgc

[molten oasis]

no let them do what they want

[graceful flare]

Bro it was a joke

[solid frigate]

you aren't better than him

[molten oasis]

no point in forcing someone to play smth they dont want to

[graceful flare]

Fair

But I insist u try vgc before u play singles

[willow vault]

Bruh you aren’t listening to what we just said

[solid frigate]

dude you are the same guy to not listen to what we said

[graceful flare]

I told him to try it

If he wants

[forest arrow]

asks for advice

also is oblivious to said advice

[charred saddle]

well apparently showdown is evil bro

[graceful flare]

Stomping tantrum gouging fire wins worlds

[forest arrow]

lol

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/man-collapsing-tokyojns-drunk-man-gif-22361094

[forest arrow]

I’m going back to bed

[solid frigate]

S L E E P

[molten oasis]

i dont blame you lol

[misty helm]

why is ninetales worse than torkoal

[molten oasis]

doesnt hit very hard

doesnt get access to eruption

[willow vault]

Trick room eruption does crazy damage

[molten oasis]

not great speed

[solid frigate]

Tera Fire Trick Room Eruption Max Health

[charred saddle]

torkoal can get yawn, can play around TR eruption and are bulky in physical side

[misty helm]

it has nasty plot though

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 324: Torkoal

Type

Fire

Abilities

White Smoke, Drought, Shell Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/140/85/70/20

Total

470

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[forest arrow]

Lack luster bulk right? Like atleast A9 gets def boost from snow

[molten oasis]

that doesnt make smth good

[willow vault]

I think they mean the fire type ninetales

[charred saddle]

well i dont think you gonna want to set up a support mon

[molten oasis]

ninetales is a niche support mon

[charred saddle]

id rather have something that can have utility as support, or like hit hard or pressure

[forest arrow]

Yeah I know but A9 sees play over regular ninetales just saying why that one gets play at least

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 38: Ninetales

Type

Fire

Abilities

Flash Fire, Drought (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/76/75/81/100/100

Total

505

Other Formes

Ninetales-Alola

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

bad stats

[charred saddle]

A9 is better form just because less snow setter, faster snow setter and veil

[forest arrow]

Yeah see regular Tales frail

[molten oasis]

a9 is also frail but it gets the snow boost so its secretly, semi bulky

[charred saddle]

basically just that

[misty helm]

but it's faster than torkoal after a shell smash and hit's nearly equally hard

[charred saddle]

??

u dont even run shell smash tork

[molten oasis]

who is running shell smash

[solid frigate]

WHO TF USE SHELL SMASH

[charred saddle]

torkoal is there to pressure and hit hard under TR

its the fastest pokemon in TR

[forest arrow]

Even slower than amoonguss

So better under TR

[misty helm]

so I'm not running trick room

so does that mean I suck

[solid frigate]

THEN WHY YOU USE TORKAL

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-prime-shadow-the-hedgehog-gif-3388625401744643602

[charred saddle]

like torkoal is good in TR, ninetales speed is like in a awkward spot, doesnt hit hard to be a sweeper, isnt bulky enough to stay long to set up

[molten oasis]

no but i think you need to use rentals to try and learn how the teambuilding proccess works

[willow vault]

Terapagos = 🐢

[graceful flare]

Wha held item for g fire

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

[charred saddle]

booster

[molten oasis]

booster (speed) or clear amulet

[graceful flare]

I'm gonna get it from koraidon anywah

[charred saddle]

support set always want booster no?

[willow vault]

I would say booster is better since you generally want amulet on something else

[molten oasis]

then go clear amulet

[charred saddle]

like i dont see any reason for CA

[graceful flare]

That's for korai

[molten oasis]

then go covert cloak

or sitrus berry

[graceful flare]

What abt left

[charred saddle]

tbh i still think booster even if theres korai

[mighty stump]

Goggles, Sitrus, Rocky Helmet,

[willow vault]

CA is better served on other mons generally

[pearl wind]

what team did you use?

[charred saddle]

like it can lead it out more safely rather than needing sun to be up for the speed

[graceful flare]

Fair

[charred saddle]

i mean eh?

[graceful flare]

Idk why but I never thought of leading it without korai💀

[molten oasis]

wasnt that the whole point?

[misty helm]

does charizard hit hard enough and move fast enough to be a sweeper

[molten oasis]

probably not

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu > Charizard

[mighty stump]

That's pretty much its only role

[graceful flare]

Singles has stealth rock

It will lose half its hp from it when it switches in anyway

[charred saddle]

yeah? kinda? but theres chiyu who hits harder and like theres still out there a faster mon

[misty helm]

I could give him heavy duty boots

[graceful flare]

It's not good anyway

It's not fast enough or strong enough

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 6: Charizard

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/84/78/109/85/100

Total

534

Other Formes

Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[charred saddle]

quite ass bulk