competitive_discussion

[graceful flare]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

I think you are making your team worse by doing that

[tawdry urchin]

why? Trick room and wide guard counters my whole strat

[autumn vault]

Then have alternatives that aren't affected by Wide Guard

And have a measure against TR

Like TR on Indeedee or a pokemon with a very low speed

Simple

Trick Room

[tawdry urchin]

yeah I just realised what that meant

but indeede isn;t gonna help

[solid frigate]

Indeedee/Farigiraf are the prime non restircted TR setter

[tawdry urchin]

like it's set isn't made to counter trick room or wide guard

[autumn vault]

For wide guard have options that aren't blocked by wide guard

Simple as that

[solid frigate]

its easy

Alternate Protects
Reverse TR
Imprison

[tawdry urchin]

Like what?

[autumn vault]

For Calyrex Shadow assuming you are using Psyspam then you can run Psyshock, or use single target moves, they don't get affected by wide guard

Only double targeting moves do

[solid frigate]

Psyshock/Psychic

[tawdry urchin]

It has terra blast fighting type

[autumn vault]

Tera Blast also works for every tera, not just Fighting

You can run triple STAB Calyrex Shadow, its fine

And it seems like the best option here as you are somehow struggling against wide guard

[tawdry urchin]

triple stab?

[autumn vault]

STAB = Same Type Attack Bonus

[solid frigate]

Astral Barrage,Expanding Force, Psychic/Psyshock

and then protect

[tawdry urchin]

But then how it it suppose to deel with dark types?

[solid frigate]

thats why you have teamates

[autumn vault]

Then use other members to deal with them

[solid frigate]

Urshifu can deal with it

Heck Incineroar can deal with it

[tawdry urchin]

I can't Calyrex pears up with indeede and we all know indeedee isn't gonna do shit

[autumn vault]

Then. Use. Other. Team. Members

[solid frigate]

Urshifu,Incineroar they both Deal with Dark types very well

[autumn vault]

And also Flutter Mane

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu can just Nuke Them

[tawdry urchin]

ok great but how are they suppose to support calyrex? Like swiching out from indeede is dumb cus they could do something to either kill calyrex or set up trick room

[autumn vault]

They can support it by removing Dark types

[solid frigate]

Psychic Terrain is still up even Indeedee is out

[autumn vault]

And Incineroar is a great support pokemon who is argued to be the best pokemon ever

[tawdry urchin]

again, trick room

[autumn vault]

Again, run Trick Room on Indeedee

Simple as that

[solid frigate]

Incineroar is GREAT in TR and TW

[tawdry urchin]

how?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Tanky af

[autumn vault]

Slow

[tawdry urchin]

yeah I think ima just go with the smeagle thing and see what happens

[solid frigate]

welp

[autumn vault]

If you want to go ahead

🫤

[tawdry urchin]

WELL WELL WELL, Lets see what happens.

[solid frigate]

there is a reason why Wolfey won-

After You Clefairy basically invalidated TR

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/patience-is-not-my-middle-name-austin-evans-im-not-patient-i-have-no-patience-im-not-a-patient-person-gif-19415976

[autumn vault]

How did it go?

[tawdry urchin]

Urshifu rapid strike raped calyrex turn one...

[solid frigate]

ok THAT SOUNDS WRONG

[tawdry urchin]

sorry

[solid frigate]

ik it can OHKO Caly S but THAT SOUNDS SO WRONG

[patent marsh]

Urshifu being a furry makes this statement sound and picture a lot weirder

Truly a cursed statement

[solid frigate]

give me a second to digest

[atomic mural]

That’s WILD to say 💀

[tawdry urchin]

yeah so the smeagle did it's thing making trick room not set up but because it has to do that and that follow me calyrex died

[solid frigate]

yep that sounds like a failed attempt

[tawdry urchin]

I'M SORRY OK 😭

[solid frigate]

instead of that word

just use Punched Calyrex to Death

[tawdry urchin]

ok...

[patent marsh]

[atomic mural]

Or just beat

OR you should just never say anything

[patent marsh]

Killed also worked

[atomic mural]

Killed to death is crazy

[tawdry urchin]

Ok Ima try to team again but ima just protect if impresion has to be used.

[patent marsh]

[autumn vault]

Ofc Smeargle is going to do nothing

The writing was on the wall

[autumn vault]

But better than how 1UK3 worded it out

[tawdry urchin]

thats because I was cocky and didn't protect like I should of

[solid frigate]

never be cocky in VGC

always keep your thinking Process right

[tawdry urchin]

yeah I keep forgeting that 💀

[solid frigate]

and also yeah Smeragle needs to be booted

use Incin 🙂

Incin is strictly better

[tawdry urchin]

Smeagle: "Nah, I'd win" https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2125092985

[solid frigate]

bro took deny Incineroar to next level

[tawdry urchin]

Smeagle is just built different ig. Like could Incin do that?

[solid frigate]

Incin did Support+ Offense

Smeragle just a Sitting Duck after a taunt

[tawdry urchin]

It has follow me

[solid frigate]

Once again

[dapper crag]

Move: Taunt

Prevents the target from using non-damaging moves for its next three turns. Pokemon with the Oblivious Ability or protected by the Aroma Veil Ability are immune.

Type

Dark

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

This move exists

and Incin is Immune to Prankster Taunt

[tawdry urchin]

magic bounce?

[solid frigate]

I don't think that works on taunt no?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Magic Bounce

This Pokemon is unaffected by certain non-damaging moves directed at it and will instead use such moves against the original user. Moves reflected in this way are unable to be reflected again by this or Magic Coat's effect. Spikes, Stealth Rock, Sticky Web, and Toxic Spikes can only be reflected once per side, by the leftmost Pokemon under this or Magic Coat's effect. The Lightning Rod and Storm Drain Abilities redirect their respective moves before this Ability takes effect.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Oh wait i am dumb

but then again the only good Magic Bounce Users is just Hatterene

[tawdry urchin]

yeah and that team I was just up against probally had it

[solid frigate]

but then again i think i don't see that much of it in both Regionals

plus I think Caly S can beat the fuck out of it

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Hatterene: 240-284 (150.9 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

not even close

[tawdry urchin]

Oh you have no idea how many times I have ran into hatterene with focus sash ( In singles )

[solid frigate]

ok i guess thats why you are worried

i beaten a Groudon Hatterene Team before

[tawdry urchin]

How?

[solid frigate]

i forgot,plus my terapagos team at that time is a testing team

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

ok fine if your so hesitent of me using It I'l try out incin but what moves/ item do I give it?

[solid frigate]

If your team has AV mons then use Safety Goggles Incin with Parting Shot

[tawdry urchin]

Safty googles? Don't those only make it so weather effects and powder moves don't effect the holder?

[solid frigate]

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost / Grass / Water / Dragon
EVs: 228 HP / 4 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SpD / 28 Spe
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Fake Out

VGC Menace (Incineroar) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost / Water / Grass / Dragon
EVs: 184 HP / 4 Atk / 112 Def / 188 SpD / 20 Spe
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

[solid frigate]

which makes Amoonguss very sad

[tawdry urchin]

Peoplle still use amoongus? I swar I have only seen it once today

[solid frigate]

dude

Its literally the De facto Best Grass type

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

[tawdry urchin]

But no taunt?

[solid frigate]

AV incin does not need taunt

But Safety Goggles depends

i usually don't run that cuz of Tornadus being around

[tawdry urchin]

So wide guard and trick room will just slip through...

[solid frigate]

i mean do you know what Assault Vest do-

[dapper crag]

Item: Assault Vest

Holder's Sp. Def is 1.5x, but it can only select damaging moves.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[tawdry urchin]

yes

[solid frigate]

taunt is not a damaging move so AV incin does not run that

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah I know but as a said wide guard and trick room will just slip through

[solid frigate]

omg...

just use Tornadus

that gains Speed Control

and also Clefairy

Actually you know what,just use Wolfey's Caly S Team

[tawdry urchin]

Could I see an image or link to it please?

[gentle crag]

https://x.com/wolfeyglick/status/1782093377950945469?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

I won a big online tournament with Clefairy! Calyrex-shadow is really really strong. Rental team, EV spreads, and the explanation is up on Patreon. I recorded all my games so I'll eventually post a video on my run!

Twitter · Apr 21, 2024, 5:05 PM

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

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[mighty stump]

Like the one ive previously mentioned

[solid frigate]

thanks for helping

[mighty stump]

Wasn’t expecting to do the same job twice kekw

[solid frigate]

but yeah he is very paranoid on Wide Guard and TR

[tawdry urchin]

Wth is clefary gonna do other than follow me and protect

[solid frigate]

After You in Trick Room

and Helping hand for Sweet Damage

and don't you dare disrespect supports

they are key to success(Well only some but they are important)

[mighty stump]

Maybe running good Single-Target moves might be helpful

Lul

[solid frigate]

tru

[mighty stump]

Psyshock is goated in CM mirrors

DKiss is just good for slightly bulkier variants with CM

[solid frigate]

yep

[tawdry urchin]

Sweet damage? Caly rex ice rider or something is just gonna clip me

[solid frigate]

uhhhhhhh

did you ignored what after you do

[dapper crag]

Move: After You

The target makes its move immediately after the user this turn, no matter the priority of its selected move. Fails if the target would have moved next anyway, or if the target already moved this turn.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah sorry but someone tried to explain that move to me and I lost all brain cells from it

[solid frigate]

simple version

it makes your chosen Pokemon go first in TR

[tawdry urchin]

And I can use this on my poekmon other than the user?

[solid frigate]

i mean clefairy would most likely go first in trick room

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 35: Clefairy

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Cute Charm, Magic Guard, Friend Guard (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/45/48/60/65/35

Total

323

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[tawdry urchin]

So if trick room was up and Clefery uses after you on caly rex shadow then calyrex would go streight after it?

[forest arrow]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Yep

[forest arrow]

Just be weary of say like Amoongus, that still outspeed Clef in TR

[tawdry urchin]

Oh wait

( Left is clefairy, right is calyrex ice )

[solid frigate]

IVs are wrong

[forest arrow]

Run min speed clef

[solid frigate]

unless thats wolfey's

[solid frigate]

like 0IVs

[forest arrow]

Yeah

[tawdry urchin]

Ok that made a massive difference

[forest arrow]

So now only things like Amoongus and Torkoal outspeed you

[solid frigate]

are you using Level 100

[solid frigate]

Amoonguss?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

oh

[tawdry urchin]

yes to make it easier to see stats and that.

[solid frigate]

fair

[forest arrow]

Well I mean VGC is only to 50

So you can do that to see stats

[tawdry urchin]

Ok then so Pink kickable thing welcome to the team but what do I replace it with? ( If it's indeede... )

[solid frigate]

indeedee

Incin replace smeragle and Clefairy replace Indeedee

[forest arrow]

Paste? I agree tho

[tawdry urchin]

mmmmmmmmmm ok but then what incin do I run cus tornadas isn't gonna be on the team Ig

[solid frigate]

uhhh Throwdat did you saw the pings?

[forest arrow]

I didn’t I recently got in

[solid frigate]

i don't recall i helped that guy

look at rentals

thats just straight up Wolfey's

[mighty stump]

LOL

[forest arrow]

That literally straight up Wolfies

And I didn’t help them either lmao? Just mentioned better things than what was shown

[mighty stump]

Someoen cross check the EVs

[tawdry urchin]

[forest arrow]

Wait I think I have his team let me cross check

[solid frigate]

yeah i did not recall i helped him

[mighty stump]

At least the EVs are mildly different

[solid frigate]

yeah that can't be my Tornadus cuz i don't have Protect

[mighty stump]

thats so uber kek

[solid frigate]

i mean.... i guess

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

emma

[forest arrow]

It’s clear it’s not a copy

[mighty stump]

whats up my favo girlie

[forest arrow]

Spreads are different

[chrome knot]

sending you otspaste in pms need opinion on mss team

[tawdry urchin]

anyways So do I just get rid of flutter mane and replace it with tornadas or keep flutter and and give incin taunt?

[forest arrow]

I don’t remember helping them tho fr lol

[mighty stump]

okie

[solid frigate]

same lol

[mighty stump]

U guys are accomplices

smh

[solid frigate]

at this point just use the rental-

[forest arrow]

Me?? Neverrrrr

[solid frigate]

i'm just here

[forest arrow]

I’m supposed to help people here??

All jokes lol❤️

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah but like that's just boring

[solid frigate]

i mean you are closer to make the exact Same team with same mons

So why not play a Rental and grasp how to play it

[forest arrow]

And you feel something is out of touch for you that’s when you make changes

Spreads etc

[tawdry urchin]

mmm maybe but like the team has way to many attackers than helpers. And the whole point of the team is to keep caly rex alive

[mighty stump]

This is just a repeat conversation of day 1

[forest arrow]

like if you don’t live a hit you wanna live or you have a bad MU that you want to correct, but any time will always have bad match ups, that just the game

[solid frigate]

my first Reg F team is a copy of a Rental+Slight modfications

[forest arrow]

It’s up to you to play around those bad mu’s/moves like wide guard

[mighty stump]

What do you mean I have to actually pilot the team

[forest arrow]

lol

That’s the only way the plane will fly

[forest arrow]

I’ve been playing since the beginning of S/V and I still can’t build on my own 🤓

like if I make something it’s probably already been made

[solid frigate]

i just look at the rental,Tried it,Do some slight Modifications to get my Playstyle

[mighty stump]

As long as you’re consistent that’s the most important thing

[solid frigate]

well my Reg F Team has been in 1400+ once so i guess its fine

[patent marsh]

Tbh unless you're using an obscure Mon that's mostly just about most people great minds think alike problems

[forest arrow]

Most definitely, using already built teams is not bad at all

[solid frigate]

and then make some slight Modifications after you tested the rental to fit your playstyle

[forest arrow]

True lol

[bold geode]

I can't just push buttons and vibe? Wtf bro

[mighty stump]

No one is ever original

[solid frigate]

but Reg G is the first time i made my Team by myelf so its kinda just here

rentals are just lifesavers for newcomers

to have a grasp on VGC

[mighty stump]

Its why I say teambuilding and playing are two separate skills

[bold geode]

Yup

[forest arrow]

If I try to be “original” I just sit in the builder for hours and that’s no fun

[graceful flare]

I have protect on every pokemon I use

I just can't live without it

[craggy dagger]

wah-

[mighty stump]

And sometimes that’s also fine to sit in the builder for hours. The whole point is just to be able to understand your team with intention

[graceful flare]

And when I mean every I mean 6 out of 6 that I have on my team have protect

[bold geode]

I'm original(ly a bitch)

[autumn vault]

I have good Teambuilding skills but my playing skills aren't as good, probably because i always run into bad MUs

[strange fjord]

i feel like im pretty original (i got lucky with teambuilding once)

[autumn vault]

I feel like i have originality

[graceful flare]

Are any of u running protect on incin

[autumn vault]

No

[strange fjord]

i dont run incin. if i did, i probably wouldnt run protect

[autumn vault]

Why would we do that?

[bold geode]

I say part of playing sometimes is looking at what they got vs what you got and think "how can I win"

[craggy dagger]

i’m-
maybe i’m a little too original with my teams but hey at least they’re fun to play

[solid frigate]

i just playing better than Teambuild

[mighty stump]

Either way

[solid frigate]

cuz like idk what i am doing with some teams

[craggy dagger]

i almost never actually play games-
only build teams

[mighty stump]

Moving forward with how someone displays and puts up their team/choices need to be non-exaggerated and fairly objective

[graceful flare]

Bro why do you change your name every day

[mighty stump]

That is the majority issue: people exaggerate

[autumn vault]

Thats true, on my Kyogre team i always use it Tornadus arch and landorus

[solid frigate]

Tofu Remember that one time that i post a rental but i did not get the code,that team is just idk what i am doing

[autumn vault]

Need more variety

I am refering to my leads

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t changed since maybe like 3 days ago?
you’re just not around often

[graceful flare]

Wasn't it like fading star Ronnie or sum

[bold geode]

Wouldn't say variety
Meaning like knowing your lines into MUs as well as like
If you see a MU you didn't prep for, looking at your tools and using that and general knowledge to figure out a line

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/49388e35c0d703e9

I used To Run This Team in reg F but that thing is the past so yeah

[craggy dagger]

anyways how’s everyone’s vgc talk going so far-

[solid frigate]

eh its fine

i need to go eat,see ya later

[craggy dagger]

you really like rain hm-
oh-
enjoy your meal ^o^

[solid frigate]

Yep i do lol

[tawdry urchin]

This is the last quseton I'm going to ask: Dose indeede have any moves that counter wide guard? ( Don't ask me why )

[bold geode]

Like yesterday in a tour, I fought a Zama mirror I didn't prep for (wasn't your usual Zamazenta team)
But I looked at it and I knew "ok I have Tera Ghost Incin, this works against Zama, I also have this and this for their other pieces, this is what I need to do to win"

[craggy dagger]

nope

[tawdry urchin]

oof

[craggy dagger]

not that i know of at least

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

cus wide guard ruins my whole strat

and allot of pokemon used have it

[forest arrow]

That’s why you have Draining kiss or Psyshock

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah but expanding force is broken

[mighty stump]

If it's broken, why are you having trouble

[craggy dagger]

i’d just use taunt on a non prankster user

[mighty stump]

Doesn't really sound like the story fits

[tawdry urchin]

It's broken if the other guy dosen't have wide guard but if they do I'm kinda screwed

[mighty stump]

So it's broken unless this one thing thats fairly common in the meta is around then it's not

So it's

Not broken

[autumn vault]

Then have a single target move thats reliable

[tawdry urchin]

Like what?

[autumn vault]

Psychic or Psyshock on Calyrex shadow

Again, Single target moves do not get blocked by wide guard

[tawdry urchin]

yeah ik

but expanding force is so usefull at times

[autumn vault]

Against Wide Guard no, we use a psychic move thats single target in case the opponent has Wide Guard

[tawdry urchin]

:/

[solid frigate]

thats why my team only has 2 spread moves

Tera Starstorm When Tera and Bleakwind

[tawdry urchin]

You use terapagos? why? It's so mid

[autumn vault]

Its super good, what are you talking about?

[solid frigate]

DON'T YOU EVER DARE SAY ITS MID

[autumn vault]

I agree, it isn't mid by a long shot

You tera and then sweep easily after 2 calm minds

[solid frigate]

bro almost won 3 events

[solid frigate]

eh you can time your tera

[tawdry urchin]

Gen 8 we had calyrex shadow as the main last dlc pokemon and it is game breaking and I though terapagos was gonna be as good or better but nah it's horrible. Imagain it in the next series game 💀 Straight to LC

[autumn vault]

💀 💀 💀

Did you terastalize it?

[tawdry urchin]

Thats why I said "Imagain it in the next series game 💀 Straight to LC" Without tera it's useless

[solid frigate]

ummmm

[autumn vault]

With Tera it is super good

[solid frigate]

Tera Shift Hello?

[autumn vault]

Like, one of the best pokemon good

[solid frigate]

Tera Shift Fucking Exists

It changes Terapagos into the Middle form and i don't need to Tera to be good,

+2 From Calm Mind+ STAB Tera Starstorm

and yet,i always ran Earth Power

[tawdry urchin]

Ok but look at this 💀

[mighty stump]

Say

What are you basing your opinions off of

[autumn vault]

The speed doesn't decide how good a pokemon is

I mean look at Torkoal, shit speed but very good

[solid frigate]

infact,i would say its managable

[tawdry urchin]

stats and move pool

[autumn vault]

Those are very good

[mighty stump]

And how deep would you say your experience in competitive pokemon is, like what elo and such

[solid frigate]

its a fucking tank if you run CM Terapagos

[tawdry urchin]

elo?

[autumn vault]

Especially if it's your Terapagos

[mighty stump]

That answers it

[solid frigate]

i made it basically just idk what did i give to my terapagos

Steroids?

[timber falcon]

Debatable

It has a part at least

[solid frigate]

also gimme a gun,imma give a firing squad amount of reason why Terapagos is Top 3 Best Restricted Legendary

[autumn vault]

Torkoal Incineroar Amoonguss Calyrex Ice exist

[timber falcon]

Torkoal is good cause of how bad it’s speed is, making it viable in tr I’d say

Same with caly-ice

And moongus

[solid frigate]

yep

Terapagos is no exception

[forest arrow]

Speaking of turtle

[autumn vault]

Speed does not decide how good a pokemon is

[solid frigate]

you can make it a TR mon or a TW Mon

[tawdry urchin]

[autumn vault]

All of the stats, movepool, abilities and typing decide

[forest arrow]

torrent you’ll be happy to know that’s the next restricted I’m playing with to learn it more

[solid frigate]

Terapagos? Dawn Wings?

[forest arrow]

Pagos

[timber falcon]

Yeah we know this, I’m just saying speed is important

[solid frigate]

YEY MORE TORTOL

[autumn vault]

Turtl good

[tawdry urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is Tanky and you can get 1 Calm Mind For Free

[autumn vault]

Screens Terapagos is overkill but i love it

[solid frigate]

no but seriously

Terapagos is Mid is not a valid Opinion

[autumn vault]

Agree

[solid frigate]

its a Restricted Pokemon that is good but also Balanced in some way

[mighty stump]

Maybe we just let evidence speak for themselves and the people who want to believe their unfounded opinions can do so as well

[autumn vault]

True

[forest arrow]

Agreed

[autumn vault]

Imo Restricteds shouldn't be braindead and atleast have some skill to use properly

[solid frigate]

i think what makes Terapagos so enjoyable to play is because of How Versatile it is

Except Corny idfk whats wrong with him

[timber falcon]

They all take some skill

[autumn vault]

Calyrex riders:

[solid frigate]

Unless your name is Ahem Kyogre in Low Elo

[tawdry urchin]

Ok fine Terapagos is an ok pokemon. You happy?

[timber falcon]

Even they take skill

[solid frigate]

its not an OK Pokemon

Its top 3.

[autumn vault]

Not an OK pokemon, better than that

[solid frigate]

maybe top 5 but depends on people

I put Caly Ice and Miraidon above it

[autumn vault]

I think you will be satisfied by my tier list

[tawdry urchin]

Ok, It's a good pokemon...

[solid frigate]

And Calyrex Shadow Is not even in Top 5

[timber falcon]

I think zama has proven to be better so maybe top 4 for me

[solid frigate]

its fair,its a Great Terapagos Counter

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Shadow is a bit overhyped imo

[solid frigate]

i have to respect it

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Ice isn't

[timber falcon]

100%

Shadow rider is much harder to use

[solid frigate]

My Top 5

Caly Ice
Miraidon
Terapagos
Koraidon
Either Zamazenta or Kyogre

[tawdry urchin]

It's the most balaced pokemon in the game : )

[autumn vault]

Just slap a dark type and a wide guard pokemon and you are done

[chrome knot]

what

[solid frigate]

Kingambit:

[chrome knot]

bruh some games i just be clicking astral barrage

[timber falcon]

Yeah the answers for it are much simpler than ice reader

[tawdry urchin]

Indeede:

[autumn vault]

Top 5: Calyrex ice, Miraidon, Terapagos, Kyogre and Zamazenta

[solid frigate]

You do realise Kowtow Cleave exists

[timber falcon]

Ur opponents let u get away with that?

[autumn vault]

Its weak to gambit

[solid frigate]

i would say its fair enough

[chrome knot]

you acting like it can always be avoided

[solid frigate]

thats why i used to run Gambit with Lunala

i might do the same

[autumn vault]

Can you believe Zama would be shit without B-Press? I would

[solid frigate]

in DWN

[tawdry urchin]

Why not shadow rider?

[solid frigate]

Ahem Gen 8

[autumn vault]

Overhyped

[autumn vault]

Why i said i would

[timber falcon]

More of problems like pagos and BM ursaluna and Incin ect, I need help in how to deal with them.

[solid frigate]

tell me, does it won an event besides the honolulu challenge?

[tawdry urchin]

the what challenge?

[solid frigate]

yep speaks for itself

[autumn vault]

A limitless tour

Or an official tournament

[solid frigate]

nah no need to explain,he does not even know

[autumn vault]

Honestlt it won very few

[solid frigate]

but in Live events,there is only one Caly S teams that made it to Top cut in all 5 events

[autumn vault]

Honestly after reading the fact that he called Pagos mid, i would stop paying attention to him

[tawdry urchin]

idk what that is sooooooooo

[timber falcon]

He eventually said it was good

[autumn vault]

We forced him to

[timber falcon]

Also I gotta admit, I have no idea what a limitless tour is too lol

Is it one of those showdown tournaments?

[autumn vault]

Limitless is a competitive website where tournaments are held

[solid frigate]

at least you understand the other tournaments in live Events

[bold geode]

It's a website

[timber falcon]

Oh like victory road

[bold geode]

Where the community holds tournaments

[solid frigate]

except it does tournaments

[autumn vault]

Yeah

More or less

[timber falcon]

Aight ok I get it

[bold geode]

Honestly a nice way to practice

[solid frigate]

i joined one before and i got 18th out of 27th ;-;

[autumn vault]

Atleast you won some matches, you can do better next time

[bold geode]

I hold Limitless tours myself, although I can't advertise it here

[solid frigate]

yeah

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

Why not self promotion? Is there something in the rules against it?

[timber falcon]

Pretty sure

[bold geode]

Technically since it would fall under promoting another server

[solid frigate]

true

[autumn vault]

Sad

[bold geode]

Especially since our Discord server for the tour is attached

We tried seeing if they would work with us considering I think the server was looking into it themselves, but sadly nothing so
What can you do 🤷‍♂️

[autumn vault]

I would Participate in a tour but people are hosting them at bad times

Sorry i won't participate in tournaments at 3 AM

[timber falcon]

I’m assuming they’re not on showdown right

But on cart

[autumn vault]

I got to get up at 7 AM every week day and i am strict about when i sleep

[solid frigate]

i mean if there is tournament in this server i will join for fun

[autumn vault]

Same here, assuming the times are good

If they are bad then read above

[tawdry urchin]

Is it me or are you guys the only ones in this whole server that use this chat 💀

[bold geode]

Yeah
Usually a lot of the tournaments are not great times for EU regions
I know VGC Trainers School, which was the organization that Wolfey did Regulation E tours in, are more EU based

At least if you are EU based

[solid frigate]

well there are some Tera raiders joining here for some chit chats

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

[bold geode]

A lot of people tend to stray away from here, and sometimes I ain't blame em

[autumn vault]

And some people from other discussion channels come here

[solid frigate]

yeah,we are just the ones mainly talked here

[timber falcon]

I mean the only chats I use are sometimes the trade one, barely the shiny one and mainly here

[tawdry urchin]

And why is that?

[bold geode]

🤷‍♂️

[autumn vault]

Arguments

[bold geode]

Cuz they wanna keep sanity I guess

[tawdry urchin]

oh...

[timber falcon]

I mean have u seen this chat whenever someone with a questionable team asks for advice

[bold geode]

Comp chat regulars and sanity don't mix

[tawdry urchin]

No, I think I'm the only one asking them 💀

[timber falcon]

Like 5 people separately spouting opinions of what should happen, I’d be very confused

But it is what it is

Also I’m one of ‘em

[bold geode]

Also not as many people are geared towards competitive play as they are trading or breeding or raids or even just chatting about random shit

[autumn vault]

Anyways GN people

[solid frigate]

I'm technically also one of them

[solid frigate]

gn

[autumn vault]

And me

[timber falcon]

Then at the end of the day someone like tofu sets it straight

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Cope

[bold geode]

Meanwhile Tofu has come out of hiding again

[mighty stump]

1 person asks for advice that they do not accept
5 people spout opinions that are a mix between accurate and inaccurate

[solid frigate]

and i think i know what that one person is.

[autumn vault]

True

[mighty stump]

So you can see why people just look at this channel and consider it a fat waste of time when its 90% of the time unproductive

[bold geode]

And then we throw in irrelevant shitpost and that potion don't brew right

[mighty stump]

It's also incredibly annoying particularly during noob help that believe they know better than evidence

[solid frigate]

ok mostly you honestly but its true

(I do some shitposting her but yeah)

[timber falcon]

I don’t even remember how I got used to this chat lmfao

[mighty stump]

Or

Like

[bold geode]

What me? No never

[mighty stump]

It's also just embarrassing? How most of the time people just lack basic literacy

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

Like to the point I cannot believe some of these people are real

[autumn vault]

Ah so cryptic, who could figure out who are those people? Definetely not obvious

[bold geode]

Mods just like "fuck it, let's send some ChatGPT bots in that bitch"

[mighty stump]

I mean I'm just saying this as a blanket statement

[solid frigate]

that last person that we said Literacy is dead

they asked for fucking Zygarde in SV

[mighty stump]

Like that's the trend

In probably 3+ years

[mighty stump]

Didn't even ask it with proper grammar

"Are a people have Zygargde?"

Like there is no way

[solid frigate]

and its not even in the game-

[autumn vault]

I lose Braincells when i see someone insisting on bad opinions that are just not true

[solid frigate]

tho i want to use Zygarde in SV before but seeing it not here is sad

[autumn vault]

I mean Yveltal would be healthy, but we would be bringing the demon named Xerneas back

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

And then we use roar on entei and clear smog on Amoonguss

[solid frigate]

Whirlwind Volcarona again lol

[autumn vault]

Adiós

[solid frigate]

adios

[willow vault]

Me rn

[tawdry urchin]

Anyone know how I can counter tail wind? It being pared with kyogre is so annoying

[willow vault]

Priority helps, with rillaboom or maybe raging bolt

[tawdry urchin]

I don't think rilllaboom can 1 shot it

[willow vault]

It still does atleast 40-50% to Kyogre and force out a Tera though

[tawdry urchin]

yeah and some people run grass terra 💀

[willow vault]

So you forced out Tera, and can punish it with stuff like terapagos

Or your own Tornadus

[tawdry urchin]

yeah I'm not using those mons

[willow vault]

You asked for counters I gave counters

[tawdry urchin]

:/

well Is there atleast a good wide guard pokemon that also counters whide guard?

[south shuttle]

Tera Xerneas has the whole meta cooked 😭💀

[solid frigate]

yep we told him before

just use Rentals

and try to make adjustments out of the rental

[tawdry urchin]

thats what I'm doing

[solid frigate]

also isn't just me or did i not see wide guard that much now

[south shuttle]

Since anything can turn a counter into a bad matchup just by tera

[solid frigate]

well not exactly,but some of them can so thats valid

[tawdry urchin]

Well The only thing I can think of is wide guard and plus it will also help with a bunch of other teams

[south shuttle]

Me too I don’t see it much

[solid frigate]

the only notable users that uses Wide Guard is Mienshao and maybe Zamazenta

oh and Pelipper

[south shuttle]

Hitmontop?

[solid frigate]

yeah that can also work

also i saw someone used Quick Guard Iron Crown Before

i was like wtf

so i would not worry it too much

[willow vault]

I don’t remember the last time I saw quick guard

[solid frigate]

i saw that against a Psyspam Lugia Stall team and i was like

w h a t

[willow vault]

That’s so weird lmao but people run strange stuff all the time so, could be weirder

[solid frigate]

yeah whats worse,i won this match

[willow vault]

Bruh

[solid frigate]

by just Terapagos it

[tawdry urchin]

so um what pokemn should I use?

[solid frigate]

if i were you i would not worry about Wide Guard

I would worry about TR more than Wide Guard

[tawdry urchin]

I have the lil pink blob for that

[solid frigate]

yeah so its fine

Wide Guard Mons can just be take care by pokemon with only Single Attacking Move that could remove the threat

[forest arrow]

I-

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2125037857

not sure if they didn't have encore or didn't want to tera to encore but i feel like I should've lost here

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-man-fuck-this-gif-2809620770750782651

[strange fjord]

cause encore would've trapped tortle

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-scared-gif-22994973

[solid frigate]

i actually done that before and the Iron Bundle gives me +4 SpA and SpD cuz it encore my Calm Mind

[tawdry urchin]

yeah but I want to use wide guard because of teams like tail wind whimsacott and calyrex shadow/ kyogre

[solid frigate]

And Encored my Lunar Blessing

[solid frigate]

honestly would not worry that, you have speed Control as well

there is a reason why Wolfey's Caly S team is Oppressive

it only needs Speed Control and good optimization

[tawdry urchin]

How do I have speed control?

[solid frigate]

1 word

Tornadus.

[tawdry urchin]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

maybe

Ok you know what I'll use it and see what heppens

but hold up can you even catch tornadas so scarlet and violet?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2125188021
Wtf am i fighting

[solid frigate]

no you need to do by home transfer

[polar canyon]

Yo

What defensive tera for kingambit?

[tawdry urchin]

welp gg I'm screwed

[polar canyon]

Even watching it in regionals I don't really buy the offensive tera dark

[solid frigate]

Dragon or Flying?

[polar canyon]

Flying then

[willow vault]

Sometimes also fairy

[solid frigate]

idk i think Dragon feels good

[willow vault]

Dragons my favourite personally

[polar canyon]

I don't really want the flutter mane weakness

Not on the koraidon team

[solid frigate]

then i guess maybe fairy?

[next stump]

fire on a koraidon teams you really only gotta worry about ground types

[scarlet otter]

I think I found the answer to Koraidon + Miraidon

Iron Bundle

Icy Wind support + outspeeds Koraidon/Miraidon/Flutter Mane with Booster Energy

[solid frigate]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[scarlet otter]

Lemme try him out

[solid frigate]

Koraidon always run Clear Amulets

[scarlet otter]

One shot Koraidon?

[patent marsh]

There's scarfed ones too

[scarlet otter]

Lemme get calcs in

[solid frigate]

yeah so Iron Bundle Still dies without Sash

[scarlet otter]

Still outspeeds due to Booster

[next stump]

no way bundle is OHKOing Koraidon

[mighty stump]

Bundle is not it

[scarlet otter]

I feel it could work

I may just be me coping though

[solid frigate]

i rather use Tornadus to 2HKO it

4 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 138-164 (78.8 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[scarlet otter]

I am a bundle lover

[strange fjord]

better use delibird over bundle since it can at least destiny bond

[scarlet otter]

Sun lowers accuracy

[strange fjord]

lol but don't actually

[solid frigate]

it does not

Plus Rain Dance heh

[strange fjord]

only lowers on thunder and hurricane not bleakwind storm

[molten oasis]

Bundle is just bad

It doesn’t do any damage

[mighty stump]

Koraidon is depressing sometimes

[scarlet otter]

252+ SpA Quark Drive Iron Bundle Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 212-252 (121.1 - 144%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

Imagine getting ur shit rocked bu Pelipper

[scarlet otter]

252+ SpA Quark Drive Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon: 168-198 (96 - 113.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Lol

[solid frigate]

bro who runs Max SpA Bundle

[mighty stump]

So this means you’re not Speed boosting therefore will get outsped

[strange fjord]

must be max special and have special quark drive active

[molten oasis]

The fact that’s a chance to ohko should tell you smth

[scarlet otter]

Most koraidon don't run max speed from experience

[strange fjord]

yeah this

[scarlet otter]

ME

[mighty stump]

cough

FALSE

but ok if u say so

[molten oasis]

I think some are starting to invest in bulk

[solid frigate]

also like

Rillaboom+Tornadus would like to have a word with it lol

[molten oasis]

But yea most are max speed

Bundle can’t do anything to miraidon

[scarlet otter]

Lemme trie on ladder

[molten oasis]

Or zama, or terapagos

[solid frigate]

live example of Bundle Encored my CM Terapagos try to spam CM lol

[scarlet otter]

1st Miraidon test

I have found a miraidon already to be my lab rat

[solid frigate]

also like

[scarlet otter]

And I forgot items

• moves

[molten oasis]

I stopped running bundle when it cost me a top cut in a tournament

[solid frigate]

Bruh

[solid frigate]

thats very true

[scarlet otter]

Why is everyone such a hater

[molten oasis]

It missed 2 icy winds and 3 hydro pumps in the same set

[scarlet otter]

Bundle is so underrated ngl

[molten oasis]

No it isn’t

[solid frigate]

its Overhyped

[molten oasis]

Mirai bundle was so overhyped

[solid frigate]

I rather use Iron Juglius

[scarlet otter]

[solid frigate]

Great Pokemon that can shut down Caly S

[mighty stump]

cough

FALSE

but ok if you say so

[molten oasis]

Bundle does not do much damage to anything and in return gets nuked by shit

Lmfao

If Yk you Yk

[mighty stump]

@bold geode

[solid frigate]

true,i think haven't seen it as much now

[mighty stump]

Its my favourite meme at this point

“fuck CSR I got Jugulis”

• 1 set later*

[molten oasis]

“My caly s matchup is good” tofu: “bet”

anyway I have to go to work, and they understaffed again

[solid frigate]

damn

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-boss-oogly-goo-gif-3090293690467084064

[mighty stump]

more money

[mighty stump]

Me today on Pokemon tbh

[scarlet otter]

I got my Iron Bundle ready to rumble

[molten oasis]

I don’t get more money working the same hours if we weren’t understaffed

I wish tho

[solid frigate]

wait no Extra Pay?

[molten oasis]

Nope

I just have to suffer through the shift and expect no break as well

[molten oasis]

[scarlet otter]

Ice beam with no item

[solid frigate]

Thats a big F

[scarlet otter]

And I won unintentionnaly to Iron Bundle sweep

[molten oasis]

Woah, it’s almost like you have to run ice beam cuz freeze dry hits like a wet noodle

[scarlet otter]

Yes

[molten oasis]

Yea those games were tough lol

Anyway I gotta go get ready for work

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[bold geode]

🖕

[solid frigate]

ahem,is it Quark Drive activated?

[scarlet otter]

Yes

Because you fighting miraidon you prob have ability

[solid frigate]

also like can you show my the EVs on this shit

[scarlet otter]

I'm still working on them

[solid frigate]

idc give me the EVs

[scarlet otter]

For now max Sp. At, max speed modest

[bold geode]

NUH UH

[scarlet otter]

I am the biggest Ice type lover

[bold geode]

Also Quark Drive is a trap unless you're Hands rn tbh
Idek if Miraidon Bundle is a solid duo

[scarlet otter]

So I'm making Bundle work

[solid frigate]

yep its gonna die to Rillaboom Grassy glide

[bold geode]

That's what we like to see

[solid frigate]

says the one that copied Wolfey's Team and credited me and Throwdat for helping you

Sure EVs are different

[bold geode]

God bless Rillaboom

[scarlet otter]

I didn't

I had the team before the tourney

[bold geode]

Lol we really

[solid frigate]

Its literally the same mons.

[scarlet otter]

I swear

[solid frigate]

same moves.

[scarlet otter]

IDK I used the mons before the tourney

[scarlet otter]

How do I show proof

[solid frigate]

then why you post it after Wolfey made it Popular

[scarlet otter]

Because I was working on the evs for Rilaboom

He felt weird and clunky

[solid frigate]

bro that ain't an Excuse and its not clunky

[scarlet otter]

Since I was running no attack

[solid frigate]

NO ATTACK WTF

[scarlet otter]

Tried using it for bulky fake out

[solid frigate]

you don't do that

[scarlet otter]

I know

But I was tryna make different teams

Btw when was the regionals? I have time stamps

Of when I made the team

[solid frigate]

its in the Honolulu Challenge

[scarlet otter]

When was that?

[solid frigate]

Before Reg G even Started

[scarlet otter]

Then how was Calyrex used before Reg G?

[solid frigate]

BECAUSE SHOWDOWN HAS REG G WHEN ITS ANNOUNCED

Its a showdown Tournament for it

[scarlet otter]

THERE ARE SHOWDOWN TOURNEYS?

[solid frigate]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/65ac0741f6974305e4cc3cde/standings

[next stump]

it wasn’t showdown, it was a tournament through limitless

[scarlet otter]

I GOTTA GO IN IT

[solid frigate]

but through Showdowns right?

like battle in Showdown?

[next stump]

no, they play in game

[solid frigate]

oh ok

[gentle crag]

retiredwithna (ID 961563802841808946)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Oh yeah any recommendations for wide guard in https://pokepast.es/c44770e67a2d6339

Command triggered by retiredwithna. Message from · May 14, 2024, 10:04 PM

[rustic mountain]

theres like sd room tours

but most grassroots stuff is on cart

[scarlet otter]

This was when I was finished up with the team

With an old Pokepaste

[solid frigate]

ok so you want to basically credit that team is by yours and not wolfey right?

is that what you want?

[scarlet otter]

I didn't copy that's what I want people to know

[rustic mountain]

[scarlet otter]

I didn't even know that you could play Reg G before it was put

And much less than Wolfey played in a tourney

[rustic mountain]

[scarlet otter]

I swear I didn't copy, maybe we had similar ideas as most of the mons in the team are very used

And also due to the recommendations by the discord server

As this was meant to be a Reg F team

But got delayed to Reg G

And I just replaced FM with Calyrex

Due to their similarities

So I didn't have to waster hours/days finding a new legends

[solid frigate]

sigh, at this point you want me to credit the full work to you.

Even if i belive you that you made it first, everyone that does not know the origin would not belive you

Also Wolfey builds teams way earlier than i expected,sometimes 2 weeks in advance

so its kinda hard to assume you made the team because of recency bias

i do want to trust you and heck i want to trust you

[scarlet otter]

True, but the evs are outdated

You can see it's a reg F team, just quickly switched FM Calm Mind Wolfey set for a quick Nasty Plot Calyrex-S

[solid frigate]

you do you,plus Throwdat and I can't recall we helped you

[scarlet otter]

You helped with the Tornadus idea

I was asking help to deal with spread moves

[solid frigate]

well duh,thats the Tornadus set everyone uses

also

thats NOT my Tornadus

[scarlet otter]

Yes but I originally tried to use a Wide Guard Araquanid

Which felt clunky and weird

[solid frigate]

i was gonna say do not let Corny hear it but the second line let him hear it

cuz Araquanid sucks

i did not even Mention it when i mention Wide Guard Users

[scarlet otter]

I saw him a bit on ladders

So I thought he could be used

[solid frigate]

i just don't really lik Araquanid in this format

there is like only one Araquanid in Indy

[scarlet otter]

I'm tryna test Iron Bundle

[solid frigate]

You do you

[scarlet otter]

He might work as a Koraidon/Miraidon counter

[solid frigate]

its just Iron Bundle Screwed Me over a lot

[scarlet otter]

How?

[solid frigate]

Frail,hits very bad without any boost on SpA,Hydro Pump Misses

most of us would always run Speed Booster like flutter Mane

[scarlet otter]

I have Clefairy, Fake Outx2 for the fraility issue

Sp Attack is not that bad

Hydro pump like many stuff is up to rng

[solid frigate]

also you do have to worry about Icy Wind Miss

that is detrimental to most games

[scarlet otter]

I mainly just keep it in the bag to counter Miraidon/Koraidon

As my team is very weak to it

[solid frigate]

also if you use Ice Beam,sure you can kill Koraidon and Miraidon,but you are vulnerable to Ogerpon

Ogerpon Wellspring

[scarlet otter]

Freeze Dry 2dn option

[solid frigate]

are you running Sash

or run what item

[scarlet otter]

I'm testing scarf for now

Just want to see the flaws

Then fix them up

[solid frigate]

Trick Room:

[scarlet otter]

After You Clefairy

[solid frigate]

wait so you replace RS Urshifu?

[scarlet otter]

Replaced Tornadus for testing

[solid frigate]

ok so you replaced the only Consistent Speed Control outside TR

[scarlet otter]

I am testing for now, I just want to see Iron Bundle's matchup itself

[strange fjord]

pfft who needs speed control?

[solid frigate]

also wait what item does RS Urshifu have now

[scarlet otter]

Tornadus will be put back

[scarlet otter]

Mystic

I am not working on other mons

[solid frigate]

you do you

[scarlet otter]

Just bringing out Bundle 1st with Clefairy+Incineroar

Then test out and make sets

[scarlet otter]

Agreed, just screw Tornadus and Farigaraf

[strange fjord]

just realized i dont have real speed control on my team lmao

[scarlet otter]

Ok so from 10 mins of testing I can come to this conclusion

[strange fjord]

just tr lol

[scarlet otter]

Iron Bundle is good to counter Miraidon/Koraidon, but apart from that he kinda useless

But I need him so I'll use him

Iron Bundle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Ice Beam
• Icy Wind
• Hydro Pump

Change Sash for Scarf or use Speed Control

[timber falcon]

modest?

[scarlet otter]

To ensure OHKO

Else it's like 10%

[timber falcon]

but it dont ensure outspeeding miraid/korai

[scarlet otter]

Tornadus

[timber falcon]

whimsicott

[scarlet otter]

Or change sash for scarf

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2125213694

Love the Dawn Wings

[timber falcon]

i think booster energy works better tbh

[scarlet otter]

True but you need to switch Bundle a lot

[timber falcon]

not neccecarilly

gotta use ur protects right, i even ran subsitute at some point

[solid frigate]

also Thank god I know how This Terapagos Team Plays

[scarlet otter]

True but you have to switch him out a lot to keep him safe for when needed

[timber falcon]

as i said, its the positioning and usage of protect

if he doesnt look good in an MU just dont bring it in the 1st place

[solid frigate]

but why this Terapagos looks less bulky

[timber falcon]

deedee doing 25% with a cm boost surprised me

[solid frigate]

Psychic Terrain

[scarlet otter]

True

[timber falcon]

even so

[solid frigate]

plus i have no invest lol

[scarlet otter]

But sash does a better job in my opinion

[timber falcon]

just be careful of timid/jolly koraidons and miraidons then

[scarlet otter]

You tank due to sash, and got Tailwind most often

[timber falcon]

so do they, and u cant forget they will most likely tera

[solid frigate]

also why do i feel like This Terapagos is Less bulky than Mine

[timber falcon]

i think it probably is

lovely low ladder

[scarlet otter]

True

[solid frigate]

yeah cuz Indeedee does not that much against mine

[solid frigate]

ah yes

Full Sno

where are the fire/Steel types

[scarlet otter]

Nah I'm tired of tryna find some Miraidon/Koraidon users to beat up with penguing

It's like an endangered species in 1700 rank

[timber falcon]

i think i lost

lugia got one shot by 1st try sheer cold

[scarlet otter]

Nah the luck

[timber falcon]

yeah that cost me big time

[solid frigate]

OTOT where is my Chi Yu i am gonna melt antartica

[timber falcon]

I WON

OML

[scarlet otter]

I love trolling with Clefairy After You

It's so funny letting them set up TR

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2125219280

[solid frigate]

i love Tornadus so much now

[timber falcon]

Clutch double prot

[scarlet otter]

Gonna use an alt to smurf low ranks ngl

I can't find Miraidon/Koraidon

Only Calyrex/Zamacenta

[timber falcon]

[solid frigate]

also give me my Chi Yu,Imma Melt Antartica

[umbral skiff]

Is zam good now? Did he get buffs or something this gen cuz I've seen a lot more of him recently

[scarlet otter]

I'll forfeit on purpose

[scarlet otter]

Body press

[solid frigate]

it won a Regional

[timber falcon]

won recent regional

[umbral skiff]

Really

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

yep

[scarlet otter]

Body press made it op

[umbral skiff]

That's awesome

[balmy glen]

Zama is op for

[timber falcon]

really what it deserved

[solid frigate]

THE MAN IS HERE

[timber falcon]

ur zama team spooking me on showdown lmao

[scarlet otter]

K I'm smurfing, can't find the paradox dragons anywhere in 1700

[balmy glen]

I think we made the team too good

[solid frigate]

and my Terapagos Team struggle against it

[timber falcon]

most cant seem to utilise the latios

[scarlet otter]

• the matchmaking takes 2 years

[balmy glen]

The teams so good it’s weird making a counter team

[solid frigate]

wait is your Latios for Support offense?

[balmy glen]

No say

[timber falcon]

looks offensive but who knows

[balmy glen]

If u play with the team it should be easy to figure out

[solid frigate]

cuz that Icy Wind-

[scarlet otter]

Can I see the team?

[solid frigate]

idk maybe i can try

[balmy glen]

No sorry

Well u can always see the OTS lol

[solid frigate]

its gonna cook in the NAIC?

[balmy glen]

The team will be released by Michael Zhang after LA anyways

nah LA we don’t plan on going to NAIC if possible

[solid frigate]

also i might as well give up hope that CM Terapagos being relevant cuz most run Specs

[balmy glen]

I’m the only one in our group who needs their worlds invite still because I started going for points like a month and a half to 2 months ago

Went from 95 to 401 in 2 months

[solid frigate]

damn

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nature-vegeta-rain-serious-dragon-ball-z-gif-13693133

[balmy glen]

not bad tbh especially for SoCal area

[scarlet otter]

Ngl I wanna see that team so bad just to make a counter team

[solid frigate]

sigh....

[balmy glen]

CM Tera’s is terrible, anything with setup is pretty bad

only atm tho

[timber falcon]

hopefully doubles restricted lets me help my boi lugia

[next stump]

are you cancelling NAIC if you qualify through LA? or you never booked it?

[solid frigate]

idk but Ho-Oh would for sure be better

[timber falcon]

idk but i have a gut feeling zama could help lugia out

[timber falcon]

4 sure, im waiting for that. Got Ho-oh waiting in dynamax adventures list for when i wanna use him

[solid frigate]

rn i am just testing Dawn Wings

[scarlet otter]

I think Zama + Calyrex-S will be kinda op

Most of the threats for Caly s are deleted by Zama and viceversa

[timber falcon]

on paper many things looks OP, however theres gonna be many duos that dominate im sure

[solid frigate]

i might use Terapagos/Lunala or Terapagos with Dialga

[timber falcon]

basically the bulkiest u can find

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

though i cant talk

bulky mons are my fav

[solid frigate]

wait i might Run Lunala Terapagos from Koraidon BS

[timber falcon]

meteor beam ?

[balmy glen]

I’m cancelling NAIC if I qualify through LA

[timber falcon]

whats LA?

[next stump]

shoutout this team that would have top cut worlds if there wasn’t a bullshit disconnection in game 2

[solid frigate]

Well Lunala Meteor Beam, Terapagos CACM

[solid frigate]

Bro really loves Weather Trio

[timber falcon]

huh so thats what a gen 8 team would look like?

[zealous badger]

how do ppl come up with specific evs for a mon?

[next stump]

damage calculator

[scarlet otter]

Zamacenta looks very strong

[next stump]

start with the speed stat you want, then do an offensive or defensive calc depending on the pokémon you’re using, then do whatever is left

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/Tgyw64jtVY4?si=ltDKWzfixtfVxQtT

My Mind when i saw this team

[scarlet otter]

I think I'm gonna try it

[timber falcon]

how come nowadays groudons are just clear amulet

how was it used before?

just lorb?

[zealous badger]

thx

[next stump]

AV in gen 8 usually

[gentle crag]

flameduckys has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

or white herb

[timber falcon]

oh this makes sense, ive seen this in gen 9 too

white herb for 1 intim?

[solid frigate]

i can try to make a Terapagos Lunala Team

[south shuttle]

red orb

[next stump]

yeah it let you lead groudon into incin with a lot more confidence

since dynamax bypassed fake out

[timber falcon]

wait u couldnt fake out dynamax

[next stump]

so you just lead groudon and max quake it turn one

yup lol

[timber falcon]

very balanced

[south shuttle]

dynamax prevents flinches

[next stump]

super cool game

[solid frigate]

thats Gen 6-7 not gen 8

[timber falcon]

all of a sudden i really wanna use AV groudon

but i must finish lugia first

[south shuttle]

what would be the moves, heat crash, precipice, heavy slam, crunch?

[next stump]

there’s definitely a world it’s still usable but it’s just so tough when clear amulet exists

[solid frigate]

i'm just gonna try to build Terapagos Lunala Team lol

[timber falcon]

maybe ill have a defiant mon like gambit to make up for it

[timber falcon]

already?

[timber falcon]

not sure abt grunch

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Groudon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Cut, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Fissure, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Headbutt, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Metal Claw, Natural Gift, Power-Up Punch, Precipice Blades, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Eruption, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Lava Plume, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Shock Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar

Status Moves

Block, Bulk Up, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Roar, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Groudon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

meh maybe crunch

helps with csr

[solid frigate]

just for fun

not really serious thing,i just wanna see how i can work

[timber falcon]

good luck

[charred saddle]

yk how to replicate gen 8 groudon?

covert cloak so no FO,
then bring weezing so u dont get intimidated

[timber falcon]

Wheezing was actually smth im considering lol