competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

So sometimes you kinda still want defensive investmetn

Either or you're always splitting

But yeah opinions need to stop being exaggerated cause thats like majority of how people frame their opinions and tis a bit silly

[south shuttle]

ok

ill just say my tera fairy max attack flutter moonblast does 25%

[mighty stump]

I assume you meant to say SpA

[timber falcon]

Specs?

[south shuttle]

yes

[south shuttle]

no its the speed booster

[timber falcon]

and exactly how much defence u thinking of in this zama actually?

max max?

[south shuttle]

av maybe?

[mighty stump]

0 SpA Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 54-64 (27.1 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[south shuttle]

idk just very special bulky

[mighty stump]

No way Zama can run AV lol

Its holding Rusted Shield

[south shuttle]

forgot abt that

[timber falcon]

uhh it loses item which gives its defence boost

[mighty stump]

That's the ability not tied to the item

Item is tied to the form

[timber falcon]

oh really?

[mighty stump]

Dauntless Shield is Ability
Rusted Shield is item

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/115/80/115/138

Total

660

Other Formes

Zamazenta-Crowned

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

yes it works in their non crowned forms too

[timber falcon]

oh then why cant i run non shield zama, is the typing and stat difference that good?

i wonder what item i could run without

[craggy dagger]

without shield is just flat fighting which isn’t bad tbh-
you gain steel typing and more stats with item though

[mighty stump]

• Loses out on 25 stats in both defenses
• Typing
• Weight Difference for Heavy Slam, no Behemoth Bash

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 889: Zamazenta-Crowned

Types

Fighting/Steel

Abilities

Dauntless Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/120/140/80/140/128

Total

700

Base Species

Zamazenta

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

oh i lose heavy slam weight

[craggy dagger]

and stab

[mighty stump]

^

[south shuttle]

why run heavy slam over behemoth?

[autumn vault]

Zamazenta is a fat ass and does more damage to the more relevant pokemon

[south shuttle]

does heavy slam got a higher ceiling?

[mighty stump]

More BP on relevant targets

[timber falcon]

heavy slam can have a higher output

[south shuttle]

so 120 bp

[timber falcon]

mhm

[south shuttle]

like heat crash

[mighty stump]

Improved rolls on Flutter Mane and certain Tera-Ghost/Tera-Fairy mons like Chi-Yu/CSR and more damage to Gholdengo if necessary

[timber falcon]

oh zama is it more favorable to run heavy slam or behemoth bash?

[mighty stump]

Slam

[timber falcon]

ok

[dapper crag]

Move: Behemoth Bash

No additional effect.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

Because essentially on heavier targets, you're gonna have Boosted BPress anyways

[timber falcon]

what mon should i use to say "nuh uh" to moongus

on a lugia team

[mighty stump]

What, a Taunter? Comfey/Incin/Grimmsnarl all get Taunt

[timber falcon]

ive been seeing a lot more non iron defence spreads

[mighty stump]

I think non-ID is just less self-sufficient and I don't like it

[timber falcon]

i like incin for caly-ice MU too so ill go with that

[south shuttle]

cant you use saftey goggles to make amoongus useless?

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[timber falcon]

yeah they lost cause they werent doing that much damage

[timber falcon]

not useless, but that works too

[south shuttle]

amoonguss got spore, rage powder, and stun spore

all blocked by goggles

[autumn vault]

No amoonguss will use stun spore

[timber falcon]

it normally only runs rage and spore

[autumn vault]

Literally use T-Wave, that is better

[south shuttle]

ive seen one on the low ladder

[timber falcon]

dont use that as a reference

[autumn vault]

It is low ladder, what did you expect?

Low Ladder is Braindead

[south shuttle]

idk a good set

[south shuttle]

true

[timber falcon]

low ladder is were youll see the most stuff that are non-meta, along with high-mid elo

like at 1600 ive seen some goofy teams

and its consistent

[mighty stump]

ive seen goofy ahh sets up to 1700s

[timber falcon]

oh yeah tofu, what kinda set would a safeguard/tw lugia be

im guessing like barely offence

[mighty stump]

Idk

[timber falcon]

[mighty stump]

I was just guessing

[south shuttle]

My highest was 1.4k

So idk high ladder

[mighty stump]

like youd propbably just be clicking Psychic and Aero Blast after you setup

[timber falcon]

guess ill try figure one out, ill take aeroblast for stab

[timber falcon]

ok

so im thinking of goggles bolt with calm mind. but have no clue abt investments

[mighty stump]

Learn2Calctime

[craggy dagger]

you do want aeroblast fs

i wanna make a tera dragon lugia paired with dragon cheer

[timber falcon]

i know "how" to calc but my biggest problem is

[craggy dagger]

so that aeroblast just crits all the time

[timber falcon]

what do i even use for reference in calcing?

[dapper crag]

Move: Aeroblast

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

idk what i want to live/do damage to specifically

[timber falcon]

i saw this early reg G lol

[craggy dagger]

use standard sets as well as the sets you find in #rental_teams to calc stuff

[timber falcon]

tera dragon lugia w dragon cheer

[craggy dagger]

usually you calc to live standard sets like max max caly or whatever

[timber falcon]

i dont even calc lol

just off "this looks about right"

[mighty stump]

What else

Meta threats

Lol

Speed tiers to out do

Damage to dish out and take

[timber falcon]

so i also need to know the common sets

of the mets threats

[mighty stump]

Well yeah lol

[timber falcon]

idk them

[mighty stump]

r u gonna keep saying you don't know them or are you gonna try and find out

[timber falcon]

ah i see i need to apply as well

[mighty stump]

What does CSR run

What EVs do you think it runs

What moves is it gonna click

What items does it hold

[timber falcon]

are things like this relaible?

[mighty stump]

Two ways you can calc

Make the assumption that things are running max max and work around that

[timber falcon]

ok

[mighty stump]

and then understand that anything below those set conditions you can live

or

You tailor to more specific sets that you expect to be common

Or have a scenario that you want to achieve when calcing

Like Jolly Incins came about to try and outspeed Modest Sash Pelippers

or if you wanna do it blind just hit bumps and do dumps lol

and you adjust if you need less/more of something from there

or read the EV calcing guide in the pins

[timber falcon]

I think I get it

[mighty stump]

Ok

Just go make a spread

Tell me what it does

and your logic behind it

and ill give you feedback

[crimson flume]

I tried some casual matches (for practice) and I just realized.

After You on Clefairy (CSR Teams) is there to counter Trick Room for CIR Teams.

I was wondering why After You always moves last on my 0a0s clef without trick room. I was probably expecting it to have +4 priority like tailwind without TR lol.

Rip brain cells.

[graceful flare]

Yeah I feel you my grandma who used to paralyse water for a living had the same idea

[timber falcon]

Huh

[timber falcon]

Ok

Raging Bolt @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 116 Def / 68 SpA / 108 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Dragon Pulse
• Protect
• Calm Mind

i made this @mighty stump

say i was lacking in immediate offence

what would i use to get some

https://pokepast.es/a423709e1fc499e1

[autumn vault]

Why invest attack on garg

[chrome knot]

wtaf is that team

[timber falcon]

u got a good point

[timber falcon]

experiment

[chrome knot]

consider being done with this experiment

[autumn vault]

Also why AV urshifu?

[timber falcon]

maybe i need redirectiong actually

[timber falcon]

experiment, also i think it fits nicely

[autumn vault]

Amoonguss and Clefairy come to mind

[timber falcon]

i dont exactly have a grass type on the team do i

[autumn vault]

Not even tera grass

So i would add Amoonguss

https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-pokemon-fungus-my-beloved-amoongus-my-beloved-gif-12480269779708604969

[timber falcon]

wait what abt ogerpon

specifically water pon

[mighty stump]

Whats the logic

[timber falcon]

tanks icicle crash from jolly pao, comfortably takes moonblast from max timid flutter (no specs) and thats pretty much all the calced parts

[autumn vault]

Could fit too

[autumn vault]

iirc 116/92 is enough

Although i would calc to survive glacial lance

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 116 HP / 92 Def Raging Bolt: 180-212 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[timber falcon]

lol i used too much ig

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 148 HP / 148 Def Raging Bolt: 186-218 (84.9 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Glacial Lance is more important imo

[mighty stump]

Lol

Good start

But yea

See, you get it

[autumn vault]

Surviving Glacial Lance is a bigger priority than Icicle Crash from Jolly Chien-Pao

[timber falcon]

do i really need to though?

in most situations ill find myself in

[autumn vault]

Honestly yes

Besides the defense EVs can be really valuable even without the threat of CIR

It also survives P-Blades

[mighty stump]

A) You cant control every situation youll be in
B) The point of this is to also understand that anything that hits weaker than e.g. a Glacial Lance wont kill you

This lets you make more informed decisions when planning out your turns

[timber falcon]

okidoki

but for the 148/148, is there no way to further optimise?

[autumn vault]

I think so

[mighty stump]

Optimisation is just your next step

But if you can't make spreads, optimising them is already jumping ahead

The most important thing is that the spread does what you need it to do

Anything else is a bonus

[timber falcon]

ok

yeah changing my set saved 32 evs and better bulk lol

[autumn vault]

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 148 HP / 148 Def / 116 SpA / 92 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Thunderbolt
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl
  This is my AV bolt spread, yeah it is pretty bulky but it does it's job

Plus 148/92 survives most tera fairy moonblasts from flutter mane, not all, most

[timber falcon]

also are servers down

[mighty stump]

Yep

[craggy dagger]

are they :0

[timber falcon]

so i cant even test team

[craggy dagger]

i still need to optimize that cinderace spread-
even though it’s calced to live so much

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/4710fbf12efbe5b4 but hows this

[craggy dagger]

max max lugia

[autumn vault]

So thats why i can't connect online

[timber falcon]

is that not what it usually runs?

[autumn vault]

Well it does have Multiscale so 252 HP/ 252 SpA/ 4 Spe isn't a bad choice

[timber falcon]

and its bulk is already very impressive

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 249: Lugia

Types

Psychic/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/90/130/90/154/110

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

I don't really like Lugia, i don't hate it but i don't like it

[timber falcon]

fair

[autumn vault]

Don't get me wrong i think Lugia can work and the day 2 Lugia is proof but it's SpA is terrible and if you get taunted before setting up it can do pitiful damage

Even with Aeroblast

[timber falcon]

mine isnt there for damage

im not 100% set on safeguard though

[autumn vault]

not sure about safeguard, it can be good but you already have measures for spore and the other status conditions aren't common

You already have 3 spore immunities

[timber falcon]

yeah, just maybe cm just cause

[craggy dagger]

am i the only one running this lugia set-

Lulu (Lugia) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 60 SpA / 36 SpD / 60 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aeroblast
• Earth Power
• Calm Mind
• Protect

[mighty stump]

No

Chance already has

Lol

[craggy dagger]

oh is that the exact EVs though-

[mighty stump]

No one knows the exact EVs

[craggy dagger]

that was meant more for the EVs

[autumn vault]

Honestly CM fixes the lack of damage and allows Lugia to have offensive pressure and with Multiscale it can set one up without taking too much damage

Ofc if its not a double up but that bulk is amazing

[craggy dagger]

cause it is just chance’s lugia with screwed up EVs

[mighty stump]

SD still down rip

[autumn vault]

Anyone got a Defensive Tornadus spread? I am rehauling my Kyogre team to remove amoonguss for Tsareena and would like to use sash on it and not on tornadus

[mighty stump]

Ive only been using Sash + Fastest Torn

92 HP to live SS

[autumn vault]

Now i have to rip off a defensive torn spread from somewhere

Wait, not a single Tsareena runs sash

[zealous badger]

252 atk/252 sp/4 hp is best for rapid strike right?

[mighty stump]

Scarf? Works fine

[zealous badger]

thx

[gentle crag]

flameduckys has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[timber falcon]

bruh why servers still down

normally its not for this long right?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/9e7b3e4d94ecd7e8 How is this Kyogre team?

[pearl wind]

i just wanna play randbats

[timber falcon]

new format that i havent heard of?

[mighty stump]

Taunt Tsareena

[mighty stump]

Personally

[timber falcon]

was abt to say this

[mighty stump]

This is a Reg F tour lol

[pearl wind]

randbats is random battles

[craggy dagger]

i was gonna say-
where’s the restricted-

[stray badger]

#rental_teams message
Well this too

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 (ID 758873265053106217)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Second Rental From TorrentAegis and First Kyogre Rental here!
Name:Kyogre
Code:SWY0Q6
Format:VGC 2024 Regulation G
Paste:https://pokepast.es/9764a6a74b7e01d0
Noteshttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1fFYBKnaIttWYoJ28sQwLNjtcfzacaRUX3tGl2utgEv0/edit

Command triggered by _sidenote. Message from · May 11, 2024, 5:07 PM

[mighty stump]

Also I am Nontaro's number 1 hater

[timber falcon]

oh i thought it was some weird format name lmao

[autumn vault]

Ah yes, all meta teams and Regice

[craggy dagger]

that’s Reg G-

[timber falcon]

and they can all be shiny

unlike caly-dull

[stray badger]

I don't think it's Reg H yet

[craggy dagger]

oh

[timber falcon]

does that mean this could take a long time?

[stray badger]

Always fun

[south shuttle]

makes sense

[timber falcon]

welp might as well just do some revison

[south shuttle]

is scarf marshadow viable

[autumn vault]

So fun, so fun it makes me want to jump out of my (1st floor) window

[south shuttle]

(SINGLES NOT VGC) !!!!

[autumn vault]

Idk i don't play Ubers

[timber falcon]

is that nat dex?

[stray badger]

Poor shrub :(

[south shuttle]

like scarf spectral thief

[south shuttle]

any format where its legal, but sure use nat dex for this

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 802: Marshadow

Types

Fighting/Ghost

Abilities

Technician

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/125/80/90/90/125

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Officially no, Nat Dex Uber allows Marsh

[timber falcon]

infering from the stats

id say no

[dapper crag]

Move: Spectral Thief

The target's stat stages greater than 0 are stolen from it and applied to the user before dealing damage.

Type

Ghost

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

you can reverse sweep very well with it

[autumn vault]

Who are you calling shrub?

[south shuttle]

its just an op poltergeist

[autumn vault]

Assuming you don't get clapped immediately

[stray badger]

The thing you landed in outside of your window

[south shuttle]

why you run scarf

[timber falcon]

sash

[stray badger]

You hurt it landing in it, you shrub

[south shuttle]

sash works too

[autumn vault]

Oh right, i have no shrub in my home

[timber falcon]

kingambit sucker punch#

[autumn vault]

Marshadow Fainted!

[south shuttle]

psychic terrain 😎

[timber falcon]

i think the idea looks good on paper, but ultimately there are many counters

[south shuttle]

my hisuian decidueye 😭

triple arrows scope lens

leave blade

[autumn vault]

How is that related to Marshadow?

[timber falcon]

so, the plan is to let ur opponent set up and pray its not special?

[south shuttle]

it isnt

[south shuttle]

exactly

[timber falcon]

seems incosistent

[mighty stump]

Points like this make me wish @summer shore was around

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 802: Marshadow

Types

Fighting/Ghost

Abilities

Technician

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/125/80/90/90/125

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

You can't really have an input if you don't know the format though

Or have experience with it

[timber falcon]

ive played a bit of nat dex

[south shuttle]

the stats are great

[mighty stump]

It's why I have 0 comment on any singles-related topics

[timber falcon]

[mighty stump]

Yeah but to a high level?

[autumn vault]

I don't play singles so i can't say anything for sure

I only play UU and Nat Dex OU for singles

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-but-wait-nevermind-speechless-gif-5439870

[south shuttle]

I play singles too much

[timber falcon]

i think i need to play some singles ngl

some more at least

[south shuttle]

yeah nat dex ubers is a lot of fun

[mighty stump]

My favourite format

[timber falcon]

ill try it out when servers actully back

[south shuttle]

its just weather fights with groudon and kyogre

[timber falcon]

are there primals?

[south shuttle]

that format is kinda niche

[south shuttle]

yes

[autumn vault]

Man i want to test my revamped Kyogre team but you can guess why i can't

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/thogdad-that-tastes-like-promotion-thogden-promotion-football-gif-27404840

primals are so cool

[south shuttle]

fr

their shinies didnt have to go that hard

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-downvote-luke-gif-23514199

[timber falcon]

ive said this many times but i envy the ones who got to use em in vgc

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/kygwaza-groudon-kyogre-friedship-pokemon-gif-5423538

[autumn vault]

Nice

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-kyogre-groudon-watch-yo-gif-25166886

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-charizard-dragonite-dancing-dance-gif-22209764

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-rayquaza-mega-charizard-x-pokemon-the-series-xy-mega-evolution-specials-pokemon-legendary-pokemon-gif-18369501054306817515

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-vs-kyogre-gif-21912434

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/rayquaza-deoxys-owned-pokemon-point-blank-gif-23484769

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/primo-mega-game-gif-15219580

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-rayquaza-vs-primal-kyogre-primal-groudon-legendary-pokemon-gif-11308547213437324062

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sweep-pokemon-sweep-battle-pokemon-battle-gif-4952125515311891581

singles lore

[autumn vault]

I remember when a Haxorus got 3 flinches, dodged 3 t-waves and got 2 crits

All in a showdown randbats tour

[south shuttle]

my t-tar got flinched 3 times then fully para'd twice

[stray badger]

Not the sire

[south shuttle]

rock slide 😔

[balmy glen]

I was cooking why is showdown down

😔

[timber falcon]

3 full para consecutively (in doubles on both mons)

[timber falcon]

all we can do is rott and wait

[south shuttle]

average primal kyogre water spout

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sick-rot-rotting-eye-falling-off-gif-4108017

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sword-swordsman-anime-sword-anime-swordsman-gif-13959063692653323976

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/clodsire-kyogre-what-if-doctor-strange-ultron-gif-27174766

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-16205347759257346444

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1170e0dfe93c9848 Any team member ideas? I want to go wide guard for calyrex ice but i am willing to hear other people's opinions

And there isn't a notible Wide Guard sun abuser

[timber falcon]

wide guard not always needed dont worry

[autumn vault]

Perfection, no showdown chat room

[timber falcon]

however, torn looks pretty good id say

[autumn vault]

But calyrex ice looks like it can demolish my team easily

[autumn vault]

4x Ice weakness so no

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

just have to play cards right

at least thats what tofu said

[autumn vault]

True, but i would like the 6th member to atleast not have a bad Mu into CIR

Tornadus does, so no

[timber falcon]

Wake

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-vgc-violet-electric-terrain-gif-12584623631968381813

[autumn vault]

Not sure i can live with a 3x fairy/dragon weakness

[craggy dagger]

we have a wide guard FO inner focus abuser though

[autumn vault]

Mienshao?

[craggy dagger]

mienshao kinda works yeah

though 3 fairy isn’t fun

[timber falcon]

One of worst moments of Incin I’ve seen lol

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/garth-marenghi-darkplace-cards-gif-22976577

[autumn vault]

Especially in a sun team where flutter can outspeed all of my members except my own flutter and venu and wreak havoc easily

[craggy dagger]

why not garganacl?

[timber falcon]

What about garganacle

[craggy dagger]

lmao OT and i sharing the same brain cell

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

I was thinkning about Garg, and then i realized i have real world responsibilities

And then never thought about it again

[craggy dagger]

huh

[timber falcon]

Lol

[craggy dagger]

garganacl isn’t a bad choice tbh

[autumn vault]

I share my braincells with no one apparently

[timber falcon]

Amazing especially for caly MU

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/a35ec39bf7fedd98 How's the team now?

[next stump]

RIP my friend Jose on stream lol

gets his first ever stream match and gets a meme made from it lol

[autumn vault]

'

[south shuttle]

you should add hisuian decidueye

it pulls the whole team together

[autumn vault]

Why? That would be a no

[south shuttle]

its stats are so overpowered

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye

Types

Grass/Ghost

Abilities

Overgrow, Long Reach (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/107/75/100/100/70

Total

530

Other Formes

Decidueye-Hisui

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 724: Decidueye-Hisui

Types

Grass/Fighting

Abilities

Overgrow, Scrappy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

88/112/80/95/95/60

Total

530

Base Species

Decidueye

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Those stats are shit what are you talking about?

[south shuttle]

its typing makes up for it

[lunar ermine]

where do i trade

[autumn vault]

Grass/Fighting isn't a good type

[lunar ermine]

where do i trade guys

[next stump]

#trading_sv

[south shuttle]

#1112832566261731328

[south shuttle]

bro it gets triple arrows which makes it pumped up

plus leaf blade

and scope lens

[autumn vault]

He left

[south shuttle]

its so op with scrappy

[autumn vault]

Have you even used it in VGC?

[south shuttle]

i actually have

it is horrible

[autumn vault]

Then why have you complemented it

[south shuttle]

0.01 is crazy 💀

[autumn vault]

Even Zekrom sees more usage

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-baby-cry-crying-gif-25019897

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

that’s me

[bold geode]

I shut it down, I knew what you were doing

@untold urchin

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-scared-gif-22994973

[zinc jewel]

[balmy glen]

Bros trying to nerf me before LA regionals 😔

[bold geode]

I pinged you by accident sorry lol

[zinc jewel]

Ur all good

[bold geode]

Hey
Just win some PCs
You'll be fine

[balmy glen]

I’m almost maxed out on BFLs

also my locals are harder than regionals tbh

[bold geode]

BFL Drizzy?

What BFL stand for

[mighty stump]

Beefy Footlongs

[timber falcon]

showdown better be back up

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[bold geode]

Fucking visionary you are

[mighty stump]

Addict behaviour

[bold geode]

Tofu
What does BBL stand for then

[timber falcon]

yes

[mighty stump]

I know what it stands for

[bold geode]

Tell us, oh wise one

[mighty stump]

It means you're chronically online

[bold geode]

Chronically online Drizzy

COD

Call Of Drizzy

[solid frigate]

lol

[next stump]

stands for best finish limit

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

Why’d I have to wake up to showdown going down

[autumn vault]

Agreed

[solid frigate]

damn...

[chrome knot]

my best friend

[next stump]

same hahaha

[autumn vault]

Not sure if you know but i got insulted by my opponent because i swept them with Kyogre

[solid frigate]

Kyogre is not washed

they are just salty

[chrome knot]

id hope he gets washed hes a whale after all

[solid frigate]

ok by logic that make sense-

[autumn vault]

It's not my fault that they got swept by Kyogre

[solid frigate]

yeah i get you

[autumn vault]

Well whales rarely ever get washed up on the shore, unlike them Kyogre wouldn't explode

[chrome knot]

not like that

like kyogre takin a shower

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/primal-kyogre-hoenn-pokemon-generations-gif-7398838

and by mean Shower-

Its a fucking Tsunami+Water Tornado

[chrome knot]

noo i mean he scrubbin in the tub

[solid frigate]

ah ok-

[molten oasis]

They wha?

Why do they explode

[solid frigate]

idk-

[craggy dagger]

yeah

decomposition on the insides = gasses = balloon = pop

[solid frigate]

also Like Isn't Orcas are Dolphins/Whale

[molten oasis]

ah

[craggy dagger]

it’s like leaving out a jar of some food-
and the gassses get trapped inside and when you open it it pops

[molten oasis]

I think orcas are a kind of whale? Or it’s some kind of fish? Idk

[mighty stump]

You mean Cetaceans?

[molten oasis]

that’s what they are?

[solid frigate]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Thats their order

[molten oasis]

Heh, dolphins

Dolphins are jerks

[solid frigate]

Infraorder

[timber falcon]

i remember reading about them, the shock i got was crazy

they can do some cruel things

[craggy dagger]

they’re annoying

[mighty stump]

They're animals

Can't apply human standards/logic to animals

Anthropomorphising animals is a big problem people do

[timber falcon]

its usually the smart ones that seem the cruelest right? properly understanding pain and whatnot

like chimps

[mighty stump]

🤷‍♂️ I don't subscribe to that idea

[timber falcon]

i think i heard abt it on some documentary but i may be wrong

[mighty stump]

There are standard behaviours and outliers

I don't believe that animals are cruel/evil/any of that sort

They just behave, and sometimes behave unpredictably

[timber falcon]

thats why i said "seem"

but its just how the cookie crumbles ig

i think im getting pokemon showdown withdrawal

[solid frigate]

what happen

[timber falcon]

shutdown

[craggy dagger]

addicted

[timber falcon]

servers for a bit

[molten oasis]

Literal addict

[craggy dagger]

smh-
go outside and take a walk

[mighty stump]

Find something else to do

[timber falcon]

i been outside all day

[mighty stump]

Or do something else VGC related if you want to do Pokemon stuff

Reviews and whatnot

[craggy dagger]

go test your drawing skills or make notes on standard sets

[mighty stump]

Yall are missing out MDB talking about his run too

[timber falcon]

oh wait i havent finished my write up

[molten oasis]

what with zama?

[timber falcon]

lunala

[molten oasis]

No that was for tofu

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[mighty stump]

For Stockholm

[molten oasis]

It so cuz I’m a hard believer of zacian (and I have other plans) I prob won’t watch

[solid frigate]

welp

[mighty stump]

It's always good to get insight and logic from how a top player thinks

[molten oasis]

I bet

I’m playing apex and destiny with friends today since showdown is down

And I don’t want to go re ev my mons rn

[timber falcon]

how much damage do spread moves lose?

[solid frigate]

which Spread Move tho

there are a few

[long narwhal]

is pokemon showdown working for you guys? its not for me for like 3 hours now i think

[solid frigate]

yeah not working

[long narwhal]

any idea of when its coming back?

[solid frigate]

thank god my Dawn WIngs Necrozma Team Pokepaste is still here so i can focus on EV Train

[timber falcon]

heatwave

im looking online but cant find a clear answer

[dapper crag]

Move: Heat Wave

Has a 10% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Wind

Triggers Wind Power and Wind Rider.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

ok so most are saying 75% reduction????

but i think they mean 25%

[solid frigate]

0.75 they Mean?

[timber falcon]

yeah yeah thats probably it

[mighty stump]

its a 0.75x modifier

[timber falcon]

okok

[solid frigate]

I may need Kubfu but i am not that Desperate

[molten oasis]

thats a scam

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

[timber falcon]

another thing im finding unclear

[solid frigate]

?

[timber falcon]

does protecting to a spread move change the damage done?

to the other mon

[solid frigate]

you mean like use the Move Protect/Wide Guard?

[mighty stump]

No

As long as there is more than one target being hit on the opposing side you’re getting the 0.75x modifier

Protecting doesn’t remove a target

[molten oasis]

if something dies then it becomes single target i believe

i could be wrong

but that sounds correct

[mighty stump]

If a mon dies before the spread move connects and only one is remaining on the field then its Single Target

I’m gonna randomly ask this in like 3 months or something if I don’t forget I hope ya’ll will remember

Fundamentals people

[tawdry urchin]

Dose anyone know what other pokemon I can add to my team? The format is for vgc so I can only use 1 restricted legandary and the whole strat is to keep calyrex alive.

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

Dusclops and Clefairy on the same team?

[molten oasis]

2 offensive mons cuz you kinda dont have much of that

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah I was thinking that but idk what to add

[molten oasis]

clef wants after you or icy wind over stealth rock

[autumn vault]

Remove Dusclops

[tawdry urchin]

dusclops is to deel with trick room teams

[timber falcon]

dusclops with sash and full defensive investments?

[molten oasis]

hazards arent good in tr

i mean, in vgc

[autumn vault]

You can use other pokemon for that

[timber falcon]

just use after u on clefairy

[tawdry urchin]

Like what?

[autumn vault]

Or TR Clef

[solid frigate]

Like Farigiraf

Or Literally Indeedee

[molten oasis]

just use after you on clef not tr

[autumn vault]

Farigiraf Indeedee or Clefairy

[molten oasis]

not clef

put it on indeedee

[autumn vault]

Remove Heal Pulse for TR

[timber falcon]

how did u get those clean images on google docs the kyogre one looks so cool

[molten oasis]

indeedee should also have psychic seed or rocky helm

[tawdry urchin]

Farigiraf? What is Farigiraf gonna do? It will just get outsped if trick room has been set up

[timber falcon]

imprison maybe?

[molten oasis]

farigiraf is the best tr setter in the format rn because of armor tail, so ig imprison

[autumn vault]

Set up TR in TR to remove TR

[molten oasis]

or you play through tr

[tawdry urchin]

Oh ok but what other moves do I give it?

[timber falcon]

no idea

[autumn vault]

Psychic/Foul play are good offensive moves for it

[tawdry urchin]

( Btw I'm asking about my team here instead of showdown cus the servers are down rn )

[timber falcon]

it ok thats what this chat is here for

[tawdry urchin]

mhm ok and evs?

[autumn vault]

Not on PC rn so i can't provide EVs

Someone else can

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok but why would I want to use Farigiraf offensivly? like It knows helping hand

[mighty stump]

Walled by Incineroar type team

You probably need Speed Control for TW teams in some form since playing under TR even against TW will be awkward with CSR

So e.g., your own TW

You also 100% going to need something that can comfortably deak with Dark/Normal types particularly Farigiraf/Deedee mirrors and Incin

You cannot rely on just protecting CSR when it’s coverage leaves much to be desired

[tawdry urchin]

What dose TW mean? Ik TR is trick room but nor TW

[mighty stump]

Tailwind

[tawdry urchin]

ah ok

well there is whimsacot

[autumn vault]

And Tornadus

And Jugulis

But go Tornadus

[molten oasis]

mid jugulis

[tawdry urchin]

yes but whimsacot has a really good defensive move pool and knwos prankster

[mighty stump]

Whims/Torn/Jugulis depends on your preference and what your planned matchup will be

[tawdry urchin]

also calyrex knows draning kiss so maybe I can replace that from giga drain to deal with dark types

[tawdry urchin]

mmm ok so what offsenive pokemon do you suggest I using? Cus I want the defensive pokemon to help it/them in some sort of way

[molten oasis]

urshifu, chi yu

ursaluna

[autumn vault]

Urshifu Chi yu Ogerpon-H/W etc.

They are examples

The only one i would suggest is Urshifu

[mighty stump]

Are you guys naming Pokemon randomly cause I see 2 examples between 4 names that still get hurt by Incin

[tawdry urchin]

[mighty stump]

Well 5 names if you include the 2nd Ogerpon

Anyhow

[autumn vault]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike does a great job at murdering incineroar

So thats a good choice

[timber falcon]

ehhhh i wouldnt count on it tbh

[mighty stump]

Ultimately current relevant matchups/breakthroughs that need to be considered are Incineroars, Terapagos, WG Zamazenta

for CSR

Arguably you do fine against Zamazenta, obviously

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah um thats not gonna work, I picked the dark type when I got it in sw...

[mighty stump]

But with the current team popping off containing Zama and a Goltres I wouldn’t count it out

[mighty stump]

Find another, you get another in SV

[timber falcon]

new account momento

[solid frigate]

did you have Indigo Disk DLC?

[molten oasis]

i like urshifu for this team, rapid, for incin

[solid frigate]

it has another Kubfu

[molten oasis]

oh

[mighty stump]

I wanna see this take

[tawdry urchin]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[autumn vault]

I meant the water type, not the dark type

[solid frigate]

i need to get Urshifu Dark later lol

[tawdry urchin]

but why can't I use fluttermane instead? Like it has moonblast for dark types and it has insane power creep

[mighty stump]

You’re more than welcome to, you’re still Neutral to Incin

[timber falcon]

ill keep this one to myself (purely my trash positioning)

let my win con die after sending out to the front lines

[solid frigate]

you already got Caly S which is just Beefed up Flutter Mane

Also isn't Incin like Neutral to Fairy

[mighty stump]

With Incin you can essentially use any strong threat like Urshifu-RS/Lando-I to try and get rid of it

If you can force it to Tera, that works too

Urshifu-RS is just able to compress with Fighting coverage agaisnt Normal/Dark types, outside of say Farig

[tawdry urchin]

Oh yeah... Didn't know that

[mighty stump]

If you want a good example of a CSR team, Wolfe’s 6 is still pretty much the most functional you can get it as a standard

Using a modified version of Justin Carris’ team as well can also work

[tawdry urchin]

What dose CSR mean?

[mighty stump]

Which is the same as Nils Dunlop’s team from the recent regional

Calyrex-Shadow Rider

C S R

[tawdry urchin]

Oh ok

[mighty stump]

Wolfe runs Rilla/Urshi/Incinc with Clef/Torn support

[tawdry urchin]

Do you have a you tube video link to that? I have tried looking for a csr team on youtube but I can't find any

[mighty stump]

With Sash NPlot CSR

[tawdry urchin]

Why sash?

[mighty stump]

So you don’t explode

[timber falcon]

huh with what team

[tawdry urchin]

ok but I have indedee for priortity moves and basicaly all the defensive pokemon have follow me

[mighty stump]

Miraidon, Flutters, Chi-Yu, Terapagos, CSR, CIR, Tornadus, Kyogre, Groudon all carry Spread moves

[solid frigate]

Mienshao Wide Guard

[mighty stump]

and your Follow Me support isnt guaranteed to stay on the field forever, neither does Terrain

[tawdry urchin]

ah yes I did see I video on that

[mighty stump]

Thanks for your input some of those mons also have single target moves and outspeed and now you have no redirection

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[mighty stump]

Stop doing 1-1s

[tawdry urchin]

and it have an abillity and clost combat for dark types

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/wolfeyglick/status/1782093377950945469?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick) on X

I won a big online tournament with Clefairy! Calyrex-shadow is really really strong. Rental team, EV spreads, and the explanation is up on Patreon. I recorded all my games so I'll eventually post a video on my run!

Twitter · Apr 21, 2024, 5:05 PM

https://pokepast.es/ab71ab05175d5889 Nils Dunlop 6

Replace Pagos with CSR and it functions essentially the same

[tawdry urchin]

Why Regidrago here 💀

[mighty stump]

Why not?

[tawdry urchin]

Also why isn't indedee here?

and what is grass monke gonna do 😭

[mighty stump]

Strong offensive mon, forces Tera Fairy if need be/and Flutter Mane usage dropped

[mighty stump]

You’re getting synergy baited by wanting to spam Expanding Force lol

Incin/Urshi/Boom is a strong balance backbone with pivot power/fake out use, while Terrain overwrites something like Miraidon

[tawdry urchin]

I have atral barrage...

[tawdry urchin]

How? It's broken

[mighty stump]

I mean you’re welcome to take my advice or don’t. The metagame has already settled into a stronger/bulkier center so Flutter Mane has been relegating to less of a sweeper and more of an enabler, with the occassional Choice Specs on sun teams.

Focus Sash is the only other offensive variant mainly because overall the meta has been able to damage trade into Flutter more favourably against it

Indeedee isn’t necessary since A) CSR does fine without a Psychic STAB and B) Friend Guard Clefairy can augment it’s percieved frailty and does the same thing. You already prevent Priority simply by just redirecting

And After You gives you additional tech into TR

I feel like you should familiarise yourself with how the current meta is playing out if these board interactions sound unfamiliar

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah sorry but I think ima use indedee. It's just to op when duoed with calyrex

[mighty stump]

Suit yourself, my job is done

[timber falcon]

idk but i really like the phrase "augment its perceived fraility"

[mighty stump]

Lol

[tawdry urchin]

oh wait last thing: What wide guard poekmon should I use? Cus without It I'm probally cooked

[timber falcon]

How do people take photos on switch, then transfer to devices?

For like the comp team on rentals

Nvm

[tawdry urchin]

Ok this is gonna sound stupid but is oranguru good for my team? Only because of instruct

[zealous badger]

is showdown down?

[timber falcon]

I’ve just been denied access to my own team cause it was connected to server

[midnight compass]

Yes

It’s down

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah, on redit a showdown admin said it was because of their provider so they have no way to fix it but wait

[timber falcon]

How fun

[zealous badger]

teambuilding on sv is terrible

[solid frigate]

can you remove this cuz that was not a compliment

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah it sucks :/ and I wanted to test out a vgc team

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

Like Not even a compliment.

[timber falcon]

Yippee rental has been made, please tell me if I made any errors

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

I’ve already seen an error too lmao

[solid frigate]

damn lol

[timber falcon]

Flutter is running dgleam and not moonblast

[solid frigate]

lol

[timber falcon]

It’ll be fine (probably)

[solid frigate]

also like

Can the Rotom Bot Change to No Reps?

[timber falcon]

Like negative rep?

[solid frigate]

no

like just remove Reps entirely

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-snap-finger-snap-gif-12502580

[solid frigate]

Idk why but accidentally giving Reps is just feels wrong

[timber falcon]

It’s funni

Luckily there’s a limit

[solid frigate]

plus i swear Tofu Roast Me and then Rotom just give me rep-

Like dude- that makes it even worse

anyways

maybe its just me

[timber falcon]

I don’t mind it all that much, but ig in ur situation it’s rubbing salt into the wound

[solid frigate]

yeah... anyways

[mighty stump]

Rotom has unfortunate comedic timing

[solid frigate]

• Always give reps when someone said

Thanks or any Language that has Thanks on it

[timber falcon]

But only for replies

Which idk why but I always found odd, maybe it’s the limit of bots

[solid frigate]

yep it is

i rather get Eclipse Cannon'd rather than Rotom adding Salt to my wound

[little plank]

Showdown down?

[timber falcon]

Unfortunately

And we don’t know when it’ll be back

[little plank]

Alright was just seeing if it was just me or not lol

[timber falcon]

I bet Nintendo sent some kinda spy to thwart it

[solid frigate]

that makes the EV training just gone worse-

at least the Damage Calcs still work

[timber falcon]

Yeah but can’t even see if teams will work without building em in game

[solid frigate]

true

[timber falcon]

Potentially wasting a lot of time

[solid frigate]

yeah-

[forest arrow]

Of course showdown is down when I’m trying to play with a new team 🙃😂

[solid frigate]

F

[forest arrow]

Pelipper rider is still my goat, but I wanna try the other toys lol

[solid frigate]

I am still trying Dawn Wings Necrozma Team i build

[forest arrow]

nice, I’m trying some mirai stuff

Zac too

[solid frigate]

cool!

I don't plan on Building a Miraidon Rental cuz-

It won one Regional and its blowing Up

[forest arrow]

Actually lemme correct myself, both dogs tbh

Everything looks fun lol

[tawdry urchin]

Should I use Farigiraf, Mienshao or an offensive pokemon?

[forest arrow]

Rillaboom works

Nvm indeedee

Two follow me users?

[solid frigate]

tru

[forest arrow]

Some speed control would be nice, for example, wolfie has Rillaboom as his 6th and torn over indeedee

[solid frigate]

Saw something,Interesting

[forest arrow]

Farig can be speed control I suppose, but you’d prob wanna opt for a more HO option

[forest arrow]

Ehhh

[solid frigate]

i would not run it but i love how People want to cook with My fav Legendary

[forest arrow]

Haha it’s definitely cool, I was always a dialga fan, Giritina was always a close 2nd tho

[solid frigate]

Dialga is also cool

[forest arrow]

too bad favorites aren’t always the most viable, or even usable period

[molten oasis]

i will always be a zacian stan

[solid frigate]

https://pokebin.com/1e1d8e19c19270df

Used to Run this

[molten oasis]

because it is good, and i like it

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile me with Terapagos:

[forest arrow]

You’re team is strong Drago

Keep running it

[solid frigate]

follow with your Sword Doggo's Blade

(I know its corny line)

[forest arrow]

Me with Caly I even tho I do somewhat like it lol

[solid frigate]

lol true

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/11c980162d73f9c4 any tips?

[solid frigate]

like most of the time the 2nd favourite Legendary is the better lol

[scarlet otter]

I've been working on this since the new reg announcement dropped

[forest arrow]

You want support for Caly S it’s just gonna get blown up

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao feels out of place

Why not Clefairy

[scarlet otter]

Ogerpon + Incineroar

[molten oasis]

its fine

[scarlet otter]

Chien pao for defense lower + priority support

[solid frigate]

It does not even help Caly S-

[molten oasis]

i'll beat the zama players with the power of sword doggo

[scarlet otter]

Ogerpon aalready using follow me

[scarlet otter]

Does, saved it from many Miraidon

[solid frigate]

I just follow the Crystalise Turtle's Radiant light

[solid frigate]

you already have Rillaboom to remove Terrain,also Clefairy After you make Caly S move first in Trick Room

[scarlet otter]

But yeah maybe switching it should be the move

[scarlet otter]

True, I do struggle in TR

[forest arrow]

? Miraidon is special, and even if it were the case. Chien Pao boosts physical moves so it would do more damage. Not nerf it.

[scarlet otter]

Yeah I'll do that thx for suggestion

[scarlet otter]

It can outspeed and kill Miraidon most times

[solid frigate]

Ice Spinner i think but like Chien Pao just not gonna cut in this team

[long narwhal]

Whats the best starter in yalls opinion

[solid frigate]

They are speed tie,Most Mirai Run Max Max Min

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-real-incineroar-gif-23132346

[scarlet otter]

In competitve, Incineroar

[long narwhal]

Singles

[solid frigate]

Ok nvm

[molten oasis]

primarina is my favorite comp starter

[long narwhal]

Same 🙂

[molten oasis]

all time favorite is meowscarada

[scarlet otter]

Probably somthing like Meowscarada/Cindercae

Or gen 6/7 Greninja

[solid frigate]

I am a bit Fancy for Meowscarada in Competitive

But Favourite is Greninja

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hyaku-bara-cute-pokemon-rillaboom-gif-26457714

[solid frigate]

Greninja is only good in Singles

Doubles he is Pure Trash-

[molten oasis]

woah-

[scarlet otter]

Yeah he asked in singles

[solid frigate]

pfft

[long narwhal]

My favs are primarina cinderace and fuecoco

[solid frigate]

but then again,Meowscarada now kinda just replace Greninja as Fast Protean User now,so yeah Gen 7 Greninja has More options

[scarlet otter]

Gen 1 - Any
Gen 2 - No judgements
Gen 3 - Swampert (amazing tank + mixed attacker)
Gen 4 - Infernape (prio + good typing)
Gen 5 - IDK
Gen 6/7 - Greninja (op thx to protean/battle bond, prio, typing, etc)
Gen 8 - Cinderace (only good protean/libero user)
Gen 9 - Meowscarada (new Cinderace but trash)

[long narwhal]

Whats the cutest one

Fuecoco imo

[solid frigate]

i think there is one good answer

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-mudkip-anime-cute-gif-17959864

[scarlet otter]

Reading this list made me realize how good Protean and speed are in singles

[long narwhal]

Someone tell me 2 starters to get for pokemon rogue this is ny second run (no spigatito)

[scarlet otter]

I play Pokerogue endless round 1000

[molten oasis]

fuecoco

[long narwhal]

Idk how ti play that

[scarlet otter]

Fuecoco + mudkip/bulbasaur

[molten oasis]

then learn

[scarlet otter]

Beat classic to unlock

[solid frigate]

also unaware Bidoof is such a meme that needs to be real

[scarlet otter]

Unaware is useful against wave 200 + 195

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-blink-blinking-gif-25635243

[scarlet otter]

And I believe Bidoof gets it as passive in Pokerogue

So it can actually be used

[solid frigate]

its funny

[scarlet otter]

And ngl I wanna try and beat pokerogue with bidoof

[mighty stump]

https://youtu.be/vQyvRbdvSV8?si=ASEmD6qRfjlDBeWM

Anyone who remotely cares about competitive should watch this

[forest arrow]

Everyone go watch

[molten oasis]

ok

[forest arrow]

Seriously watch it. Beautifully made

[scarlet otter]

Wolfe Glick champ difference lol

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/clefairy.gif

[mighty stump]

Original.

[scarlet otter]

Nah I'm not hunting that for VGC

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Follow Me
• After You
• Helping Hand
• Protect

This set good for a Calyrex-S support clefairy?

Tera grass to prevent sleep

[chrome knot]

our ryan made an appearance in this

[graceful flare]

Do yall wanna use my rental

[chrome knot]

no not rly

[scarlet otter]

https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1054939051364462652

[solid frigate]

i swear people who use the Shiny Emoji might know my archaludon is shiny lol

[scarlet otter]

Where can I find clefairy?

[mighty stump]

Oh neat

#shiny_hunters or google

[scarlet otter]

We got cameras in every Pokemon player

[solid frigate]

i didn't even specify it on my notes or Pokepaste lol

[scarlet otter]

We can still see it

[solid frigate]

[scarlet otter]

Anyways time to grab the Kubfu I still didn't bother fighting in my 3 DLC post game alts

Since I need some to use a test subjects

[solid frigate]

i might need one for my dawn wings team lol

i'll get one maybe later

[scarlet otter]

Oh yeah Dusk mane is available

It's gonna be fun to see the weakness policy strats

[solid frigate]

it might not be popular but i guess?

[scarlet otter]

Calyrex counter?

[solid frigate]

Solgaleo and Dusk Mane is very on the Way Side

[solid frigate]

which one?

[scarlet otter]

S

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is Solid

(Just my Opinion)

[scarlet otter]

It is solid definetly

Terapagos can use tera sandstorm with no resists

Basically as long as you outspeed you can spam

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25260726

[solid frigate]

you can time your Terastalisation,Stellar Tera Starstorm only Gets Stellar Boost,not stab

[forest arrow]

Clicks wide guard**

[solid frigate]

thats why now i rarely Tera unless i am below 50% or someone Tera'd Infront of me

i can't stress enough how Bulky Terapagos is with Calm Mind

[scarlet otter]

(Clicks f u)

[forest arrow]

Okay?

No need for that. Lol

[scarlet otter]

Spams insults eviracating your bloodline

[solid frigate]

I am still the Terapagos Cresselia Beliver lol

[scarlet otter]

Calls you cringe for clicking wide guard

[forest arrow]

You’re obviously a child

Another to add to the block list fellas lol

[scarlet otter]

That's what happens lol

I can't use Araquanid anymore

Whenever I wide guard someone's dazzling gleam, astral barrage, etc.

They send 10K insults

[solid frigate]

its just,Not good.

(Even tho it won 9th in Indy)

[solid frigate]

because they don't know how to play around

also yes its Spammable

[scarlet otter]

I know, they just spam

And get angry when I defend

[solid frigate]

just use a Single target move

[scarlet otter]

Like if they deserve some reward for clicking a 6 times

[solid frigate]

if you want to play around WG

Just use a Single Target move-

[summer shore]

Ping 🤑

[forest arrow]

Shiroooo

hi

[scarlet otter]

Oh yeah any recommendations for wide guard in https://pokepast.es/c44770e67a2d6339

[summer shore]

Hello

[solid frigate]

Hoi Shiro

[scarlet otter]

I need to stop the spread spam

But I don't find any mon that fits apart from araquanid

[solid frigate]

Tornadus kinda works

(Thats just Opinion,but idk)

[summer shore]

I am here 🤑🤑

[scarlet otter]

Gonna take out my Ogerpon

Way too much spread spam, Ogerpon not gonna help much

Instead using Araquanid

[solid frigate]

you already got like Rillaboom and Urshifu so yeah

But Ogerpon Wellspring can stop Kyogre Teams

[scarlet otter]

Calyrex can already beat them up

• Rilaboom

Use sash from Calyrex to take one Kyogre hit

[solid frigate]

then Tornadus or Pokemon that has Taunt

that is also good

[scarlet otter]

Lower them to like 10HP

[scarlet otter]

He doesn't have wide guard

[solid frigate]

i rather just use Rillaboom to Handle Kyogre Teams for my Team specifically cuz Terapagos already handle Caly S and Incin for Caly I

[solid frigate]

you can play without Wide Guard if you have good supports

[forest arrow]

Speed control would help in general.

[scarlet otter]

True

[solid frigate]

Tornadus is one of the best In TW

if not Whimsicott is also a good option

[scarlet otter]

Yeah probably gonna use that

And I can use sunny day to stop Kyogre

[solid frigate]

i rather rain dance,but its on you for it

(Cuz you can also Stop Koraidon and Groudon with Rain Dance

[scarlet otter]

Koraidon is not really an issue

[solid frigate]

maybe its just me cuz my Team is frail against it

[scarlet otter]

Most of my team can easily counter it

[solid frigate]

ok fair

[scarlet otter]

Yeah probablly

And groudon just doesn't have that much of an issue

And kyogre often runs scarf max speed + tailwind

[solid frigate]

i mean i am using Terapagos so yeah

Koraidon and Zamazenta are my main worst MUs

[scarlet otter]

Gonna use Zamazenta to troll now

[solid frigate]

not really,Lefties Calm Mind,Mystic Water or Specs Kyogre are also seen some plays

[scarlet otter]

Very rarely

From my experience

Most prefer to run as much speed to ensure they can sweep

[solid frigate]

not really tho,I saw some teams using Mystic Water Kyogre a lot

Maybe just part of the Matchmaking

and Even Assault Vest also works so well

[scarlet otter]

Yeah but those don't have as much as speed

So I can just kill them with Calyrex + Rila

[solid frigate]

thats why they run Tornadus

to set up Tailwind

[scarlet otter]

I got my own

[solid frigate]

wait ik RIlla can OHKO Kyogre

but Calyrex against AV Kyogre?

[scarlet otter]

Can lower so then Rila can grassy glide

And kill support for Kyogre

I also used to run energy ball in it

• pollen puff

[solid frigate]

also

This is Terastalisation

[mighty stump]

Interesting takes today

[scarlet otter]

No, don't quote me I will look dumb

I just run those moves cuz they were common in gen 8

[solid frigate]

and thats my que for leave

[scarlet otter]

Anyways time to get to master again

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-man-fuck-this-gif-2809620770750782651

My reaction exactly

[solid frigate]

[charred saddle]

i just woke up to a scarf max speed tailwind kyogre

[craggy dagger]

kyogre with tailwind-

[mighty stump]

gw bangun main tour

anjing

[charred saddle]

tour ap

[mighty stump]

seharusnya skalian mesen bubur

[charred saddle]

gw bangun buat kelas

emg kintil, mana kelasnya jam 7 ampe 3

[mighty stump]

jam 7-3 mayan

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

It gets tw what????

[dapper crag]

Kyogre's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Dive, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Liquidation, Natural Gift, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Strength, Take Down, Waterfall

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Chilling Water, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Origin Pulse, Round, Scald, Sheer Cold, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Block, Calm Mind, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Hail, Helping Hand, Mimic, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Thunder Wave, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kyogre.

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[molten oasis]

???

I’m confused

[spiral ridge]

prob an ally with tailwind is what they meant

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[solid frigate]

wheeve

[craggy dagger]

i was confused

i’m stupid so ofc i don’t understand much

[solid frigate]

[craggy dagger]

i need that

[cyan smelt]

Terapagoat

[craggy dagger]

terapagos the galapagos turtle

[solid frigate]

we love le tortol

[cyan smelt]

Pago Pago

[solid frigate]

Pago Pago

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pokemon-terapagos-eating-gif-2969040560991740670

[cyan smelt]

I like tortol even though it's a nightmare to play against

I'm still weirded out by that terapagos team I played against yesterday, indeedee with psychic surge next to terapagos and the indeedee had fake out

[solid frigate]

damn

[cyan smelt]

Still beat it

[solid frigate]

cool

[cyan smelt]

Body press goes hard

[solid frigate]

Terapagos hates this move man.

[cyan smelt]

As well as collision course and electro drift

[solid frigate]

Electro Drift really depends on the set

if its Calm Mind Set its probably fine