competitive_discussion

[rustic mountain]

mewtwo is awful

[harsh depot]

That makes sense. I'm super nervous about competitive still tbh.

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

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[harsh depot]

And I don't know a lot. Like I didn't know priority was blocked by Psychich Terrain

I was just saying I get nervous. I knew about the pinned messages

[vestal elk]

bro but somthing i learned recently was spleep is blocked by electric terrain]

[harsh depot]

That I knew somehow

[cyan smelt]

That's why miraidon and ursa bm are everywhere

[rustic mountain]

id check out the stuff above ^

lot of resources available

nd yea just playing games, experience is king

[vestal elk]

i wanna play more comp but im too broke for online lol so i create new accounts n get the free sub

[harsh depot]

I wish I could have someone just watch and coach me, but I feel like that's too much to ask of anyone

[strange fjord]

Pikalytics isnt updated to reg g yet. You can use MunchStats in the meantime

[cyan smelt]

If you play on showdown and post your replays people can give you advice

[rustic mountain]

thats why just watching others play is helpful yters like cybertron do a good job of explaining their thinking and turns

[harsh depot]

Makes sense

[strange fjord]

you can also see where you went wrong if replays that you lost

[harsh depot]

I think I'll try Showdown when learning tbh. Just so I don't mess with my rank

[cyan smelt]

Showdown is a good way to build teams without committing to resources in game too

[rustic mountain]

biggest misconception wen laddering is worrying about ur rank. ur working on improving the wins come along with that as u can better. that being said sd is great for practice

[harsh depot]

Makes sense

[rustic mountain]

id say main thing first is jus familiarizing urself w/ the mons that are common and battle interactions. seems ur already figuring out the latter

like psychic terrain blocking priority (unless ur a flying type cuz ur not grounded)

[cyan smelt]

Take note of what you lose to and see if you can calc to live those attacks

[rustic mountain]

calcing is a bit further along

i wouldnt worry about that off jump

[molten oasis]

im done, over it, not having any fun, everything sucks, doenst matter waht i run, so dont expect anything from me for a minute

i'll lose to crits and paras everytime

once i get crit i just instantly lose

happened 8 times

https://pokepast.es/87fb57224d673173l this team is ass, https://pokepast.es/f1c4c261c6b5381b so is this one, https://pokepast.es/fbf934585aa2150f and this one

[craggy dagger]

oh hey lilly was here-

[cyan smelt]

man feels like everyone is countering zama now

[molten oasis]

i wonder why

[cyan smelt]

i keep losing now

[cyan smelt]

i can't win a fucking game

[timber falcon]

Take a break then

Or if that’s not enough, re evaluate the team

[vestal elk]

aint liek zacian the new meta??

[lofty tartan]

No

[vestal elk]

wasant it most used leg in stockholm

[timber falcon]

That was zama no?

[vestal elk]

ye

mb

[lofty tartan]

Even if it is the most used legendary at a particular event, that in no way makes it the meta

It's a snapshot of a moment in the format.

[vestal elk]

ohh

[lofty tartan]

Like Miraidon won Indy so everyone started playing it or teching for it - now people are on Zama and Terapagos - it'll keep fluctuating like that.

Then people will get around to ignoring CSR

[vestal elk]

hmm

[cyan smelt]

back up to 1313, decent

1338 now nice

[crimson flume]

Nice. I just luckily bred a 0a0s cleffa

Hahahahahahaha

Lucky lucky...

Thanks @charred saddle ❤️ I already have CSR's support 😄

[gentle crag]

orange_uva has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[cyan smelt]

nice on breeding the 0a0spe cleffa

damn gxe is down to 55.8% but that's still higher than average for me

[crimson flume]

After you is best on a mon that has 0 speed no?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[crimson flume]

Glad I got a 0a0s ditto when I needed to.

I had a feeling I would need to breed sooner or later.

[charred saddle]

on tr ye.

after you just follows based on speed,

ie. another example of another good after you is H lilligant, going up to 314 speed on sun,

so its usually Hlilligant + torkoal activating chlorophyl then after you eruption

[crimson flume]

I remember getting crushed by that team loll

That is until I had tornadus with Rain dance.

[cyan smelt]

does SoR boost body press damage?

[mighty stump]

Yes

Body Press uses the Defense stat and inserts it into the Attack stat before non-stat change Modifiers

[cyan smelt]

That must be why I'm seeing some chien Pao+ zamazenta

[mighty stump]

Its also cause Zama doesnt like Amoonguss

so

[crimson flume]

What makes me nervous about this reg is that it's all hell breaking loose lol.

I'm not even sure what Zamazenta does. xD

I'm still past the third gym in sword lol.

Is Eternatus even allowed in this reg?

So many possibilities.

[patent marsh]

yes

[crimson flume]

Oh sheet lol.

[patent marsh]

basically all legendaries are available except mythicals

[crimson flume]

Oh my gawd. lol.

[patent marsh]

eternatus is a restricted

so if you use it you give up stuff like zamazenta

[crimson flume]

Carlyrex S is my hope. lol.

The queen on my chess set.

I just need to play smart and if I get crushed, maybe learn what I could have done better.

Most of my wins in the past reg were just me learning from my past losses imo.

"Champion Select" is sometimes even harder than the actual battle itself.

[mighty stump]

CSR has a tough time getting going but its a good answer against a lot of restricted

Most teams are one or two Astral Barrages away from losing

[crimson flume]

Will there be a future reg where 2 restricted will be allowed?

Cause right now, it's 1.

[mighty stump]

Its usually Single then Double

[cyan smelt]

Should I change Zama's tera to ghost for the mirror and also to avoid fake out?

[knotty mirage]

I wonder will zacian be used more when 2 restricted is allowed

[crimson flume]

More reason for me to speed up my progress in sword lmao.

[mighty stump]

Idk

Maybe

As a supporting legend it could be ok

[crimson flume]

No supereffective offensive coverage vs electric types.... interesting....

Can't use CSR vs Dark types either.

[mighty stump]

Supereffective coverage is overrated

and once you get boosts you can use CSR against Dark Types

Especially Draining Kiss variants

[cyan smelt]

Thinking bout putting wide guard on Zama to deal with spread

Or maybe just put pelipper on the team

[crimson flume]

Team now is either probably CSR-Clef-Rillaboom-Incin or Urshifu-Torn-Rillaboom-Incin...

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/dad59b7acd791a39 You can have my OTS lol

I had no real issues

Even in mirrors

Or Terapagos

[crimson flume]

Wait. Fairy type to cover for?

[mighty stump]

Sustain and Dark-types

Buthonestly after like

+1/+2

You can just click Astral Barrage

I think you need to shift your perspective from "resist = no damage"

[molten oasis]

i did a pokerogue run

[mighty stump]

Its still very meaningful chip

[molten oasis]

lost on round 190

fun game tho

[mighty stump]

A lot of clicking A

Like yes resists are important but

[molten oasis]

true lol

[mighty stump]

+1 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Incineroar: 74-87 (37 - 43.5%) -- 12.1% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[crimson flume]

You also didn't need Rain dance on your torn?

[mighty stump]

On non Sitrus thats a 3HKO

Nah

You can run Rain Dance

I just ended up never clicking it

Shifu can be scarfshifu

[crimson flume]

Wait. Heal pulse vs After you on Clef?

[mighty stump]

Either or

[cyan smelt]

just played against a tera water tera blast kyogre lol

[crimson flume]

Ouch.

[cyan smelt]

i beat it

[crimson flume]

Was Kyogre his offensive ace? xD

[cyan smelt]

yes

kyogre did not fall off

i still respect it even though it was written off

[mighty stump]

low ladder is funny

the typo is real

HUH

[willow vault]

Draco????

[molten oasis]

Wtf is that chandelure

[crimson flume]

Did you make a smurf? Hahaha.

[willow vault]

I just ignored that chandelure, that’s also so awful

[crimson flume]

Probably people who have no idea what they're doing.

[crimson flume]

There is a common belief that draco meteor is the most OP move for dragon types, so that was probably his logic lol.

[willow vault]

Koraidon is a physical attacker though???? Low ladder is so mad

Speaking on low ladder being dumb, I played against a Miraidon team with an amoongus, I’m expecting rage powder and they click spore under electric terrain they set up, that made me laugh a lot

[crimson flume]

Yeah... xD

[willow vault]

So obviously that fails and I murder the Miriadon, it was an easy game from that point

[crimson flume]

I hope to bully a lot of miraidons and koraidons in this reg tbh. kek.

[mighty stump]

I use alts to test

So I can gauge the performance of teams cleanly without being muddled

Also a good way to measure consistency of your own performance

[crimson flume]

By the way, do you use a website to calculate the % chance to KO in 2-3-4-n turns? xD

[mighty stump]

So if you can achievbe the same result across a different number of teams or by using the same team

[crimson flume]

Or was that all memory?

[mighty stump]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

You kinda also just know after a while

[mighty stump]

Very misguided

[cyan smelt]

i think i need to adjust the evs on rotom as it's not doing enough damage

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 479: Rotom-Wash

Types

Electric/Water

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/65/107/105/107/86

Total

520

Base Species

Rotom

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

if you want damage you prob go max max specs or smth

[cyan smelt]

i need it to be able to live a couple of hits

[molten oasis]

like

[cyan smelt]

no clue what that's what i need to test ig

[molten oasis]

then just go max max unless you know what you need to live

[cyan smelt]

i'll go max hp max spa

[cyan smelt]

Drago how you going with the Zac team

[molten oasis]

I’m not saying anything rn

I had a fit last night if that’s how you want to hear how my progress is going

[foggy lodge]

Rillaboom High Horsepower is so good

2HK0 against Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Gfys

[bold geode]

Ugh fine
Where's my mirror

[cyan smelt]

Not sure if I should go back to behemoth bash on Zama as a fair few of these legendaries are heavy and like to tera fairy

Also tera fairy Snorlax with curse and recycle is a problem

[bold geode]

1. Overall for other MUs, I'd say Heavy Slam is better still as at -1 or overall, the damage you'll do with Slam ain't that much lower than Bash (like 5% tops if even that?)
2. Tera Fairy Snorlax seems kinda niche lmao

[cyan smelt]

Also lost to a tera fairy giratina

I'll stick with heavy slam but I think the team needs wide guard

[bold geode]

Giratina sucks ass
But that's more of a problem in the first place of fighting a Ghost type

You can probably use Wide Guard, I kept saying Wide Guard on Zama was a trap right now, but once again, I guess I was wrong LMFAO

[cyan smelt]

Nah I'm thinking of adding pelipper because it reduces the damage from fire attacks too

[bold geode]

I'm looking at my Zamazenta team and redoing, and I'm thinking of either having Wide Guard Zamazenta or Crunch on it to hit Ghost types

[cyan smelt]

But then if I add pelipper that makes the ogre mu worse

[bold geode]

Not really

[cyan smelt]

And then I'd probably have to get rid of rotom and replace torn

I could replace rotom with scarf urshifu rapid

[bold geode]

Yeah Wide Guard would help with fish

[cyan smelt]

And caly s and caly i

Then I'm worried about miraidon

[solid frigate]

F e e s h

[cyan smelt]

Also helps with terapagos mu

[solid frigate]

Yeah i did say that before when Zamazenta is Terapagos's Worst MU

[cyan smelt]

Pelipper and zamazenta is sounding pretty good

[solid frigate]

thats why i use CACM for that Earth Power

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[solid frigate]

losing scald is so bad for Kyogre-

[bold geode]

Yeah

Now single target is cough cough Hydro Pump

[solid frigate]

Which is not even accurate at all-

[cyan smelt]

Or tera blast water

[bold geode]

Which they don't even run most the time so like
Usually it's Water STABs are shut down by Wide Guard

[solid frigate]

yeah which is tragic for Kyogre

[cyan smelt]

Still need to respect ogre though

[solid frigate]

definently top 10

My top 5 tho

Caly Ice
Miraidon
Terapagos
Caly S
Koraidon or Kyogre

[south shuttle]

Is regidrago restricted?

[solid frigate]

nope

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[solid frigate]

Yeah it might be my bias to put Terapagos that high

realistically it should be 5th

[craggy dagger]

there’s nothing wrong with having your bias mon to be up top

[cyan smelt]

Terapagoat

[autumn vault]

My top 5: Zekrom Koraidon Terapagos Kyogre Giratina

[solid frigate]

well,Unless you are Lyco,but then again,he knows about it

ok nvm i retract my statement

[autumn vault]

I am right here

[craggy dagger]

you don’t see a lot of lugia but i’d put lugia at least top 10, at 7 or 8th

[solid frigate]

sorry lol

[craggy dagger]

i’d put pagos the galapagos giant turtle at 5th on my list

[solid frigate]

i just feel like Caly Ice is just too opressive for Terapagos sometimes
Not to mention Miraidon

[bold geode]

Ok now this is when bias kicks in

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[solid frigate]

I put Terapagos at least lower than Calyrexes and Koraidon before

[autumn vault]

My top 5 favourite pokemon

[solid frigate]

ok fair

[autumn vault]

Which is why Giratina is even there

Zekrom does ignore tera shell iirc so there is atleast some reason to justify it doing good against it

[solid frigate]

yes it does but then again

+1 Earth Power/

252 Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 103-123 (50.9 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 132+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zekrom: 134-158 (76.5 - 90.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[autumn vault]

I never said Zekrom does amazing against terapagos

I said it is good against it

[solid frigate]

yeah but like Even Opposing Terapagos is annoying to fight lol

[autumn vault]

true

[autumn vault]

If lugia made it to day 2 then many restricteds can, even Zekrom which gives me a tiny bit of hope, tiny bit of hope

But ofc the 2 other electric dragons exist

Honestly i think Zekrom is better than Bolt, its just that Bolt is easier to justify and is easier to use and more flexible with items

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-the-cap-cap-laugh-video-reaction-youtuber-gif-18293251

[autumn vault]

i knew there would be objections

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

Honestly my test results with Zekrom is very good but no one cares about it and the 2 electric dragons exist

[next stump]

zekrom can be a decent pokemon but saying it’s better than raging bolt when you have to take into account the opportunity cost of one being a restricted and one not…

you can have an electric/dragon bulky pokemon AND a powerful restricted when you use bolt

[craggy dagger]

wel both do their own thing in a way

[autumn vault]

Although you definetely have good points and you are definetely better than i am, i am just saying something that is my opinion, i said it is better than bolt but bolt is easier to justify since it is not a restricted slot and it has a lot of traits Zekrom has, Zekrom is 100% worse than Miraidon though

No argument with that

Without acknowledgind the restricted slot then yes but with the restricted slot in mind then yes it is probably worse than bolt

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Which gives me hope in the double restricted format as i can partner it up with Kyogre to bust up ground types and Zekrom to beat the water types that might abuse Kyogre's rain

[craggy dagger]

those stats….
are pretty good imo

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Really similar stats ik

[next stump]

effective 560 BST vs effective 517 BST

[autumn vault]

The special attack Zekrom has is definetely the biggest reason on why it isn't that good

If that 20 points in SpA was transfered to the speed stat then Zekrom might see more play but it won't happen

[craggy dagger]

also the lack of good electric physical moves

most have a drawback

[autumn vault]

Fusion Bolt and Bolt strike: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[craggy dagger]

isn’t bolt strike inaccurate?

[autumn vault]

Fusion Bolt does not have a drawback

[craggy dagger]

yeah but only 8?

[autumn vault]

Only 85%, if you can land P-Blades consistently then Bolt Strike can be consistent

[craggy dagger]

i’m not saying it’s a bad move-
but it being a signature and stuff

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[willow vault]

Isn’t fusion bolt a kyurem-black restricted move?

[autumn vault]

Both have it

[craggy dagger]

both can get it

[solid frigate]

weaker plus you need reshiram to do the full power

[autumn vault]

Or Kyurem White

But it doesn't matter

Honestly i think Bolt Strike is good enough, 130 BP 85% accurate with a 20% chance of paralysis is better than a 100 BP 100% accurate useless secondary effect move

[dapper crag]

Move: Fusion Bolt

Power doubles if the last move used by any Pokemon this turn was Fusion Flare.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

The misses are annoying but you get an insanely powerful move

[shadow wind]

Could run fusion flare on like Smeargle.

[solid frigate]

lmao it would be funni

[autumn vault]

Grima but nice (Zekrom) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Teravolt
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 124 HP / 28 Atk / 60 Def / 92 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Bolt Strike
• Protect
• Dragon Dance
• Dragon Claw
  Also i think this is the best Zekrom spread

Outspeeds Calyrex-S after a ddance and survives Glacial lance

At the cost of attack but thats ok

[solid frigate]

i am just cooking a Dawn Wings Team

https://pokepast.es/219915dabd811227

[autumn vault]

Necrozma looks like a depressed prism ngl

[craggy dagger]

you make a good argument though-

[autumn vault]

The base form

The fused ones are less black prism and more the legend

[solid frigate]

i just use Dawn Wings Necrozma Hard TR

[autumn vault]

I can tell

Funny that Dawn Wings is viable

[solid frigate]

and don't mind me slap a Chi Yu and Ogerpon in it

[craggy dagger]

well dawn wings is basically-
lunaspam but necrozma fused

[solid frigate]

and much more firepower

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/113/109/157/127/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

i think Lunala has same SpA as Bolt

137 right?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

And Slower

[craggy dagger]

less hp more into defenses hm...

[solid frigate]

thats the main gripe on it, WHY

[craggy dagger]

less hp kinda sucks TwT

[solid frigate]

WHAT HAPPEN TO THE BULK

[craggy dagger]

still i guess we can protect T1 for the tr to go up

[solid frigate]

i rather remove the Attack stat to the HP stat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/157/127/113/109/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

Wtf happen

[autumn vault]

Its Necrozma, what did you expect from a Necrozma

[solid frigate]

idek

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/107/101/127/89/79

Total

600

Other Formes

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Ultra

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Ultra

Types

Psychic/Dragon

Abilities

Neuroforce

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/167/97/167/97/129

Total

754

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

the bulk is just depressing-

[craggy dagger]

ultra necrozma too

[solid frigate]

The bulk is so damn depressing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 754: Lurantis

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Contrary (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/105/90/80/90/45

Total

480

Other Formes

Lurantis-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

its worse than the two fusions seperate-
and its supposed to be the 3 combined

ooo emma-
what're you cooking with Pickles?

[autumn vault]

Not the 3 combined

[solid frigate]

well- in USUM, only one of them

[chrome knot]

nothing everyone was just posting stats

[craggy dagger]

no?
i thought it was necrozma that absorbed both luna and sol?

[chrome knot]

i have 4 mss’ coming up my ass is strictly playing standard

[craggy dagger]

ah i see

[solid frigate]

either one of them and then Ultra Burst

[autumn vault]

In the Anime Ultra Necrozma didn't fuse into neither, it got way too much light and it seperated itself from solgaleo and then transformed into UM

[craggy dagger]

i havent played usum

only sm

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123159723-uzivof8nmzyed9hwvwrkgw78hcii2lfpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123163406-ip5cmdgk1awidfbf4yvulw1ob7nq928pw

[timber falcon]

Who got the mons used for the lugia team in that one reg g regional?

[craggy dagger]

me

[autumn vault]

Idk

[timber falcon]

Pls can u show a pic or list? Lf a reference

[craggy dagger]

iirc it was lugia sableye incin comfey rilla ape

[solid frigate]

Bro just took too much sun

[timber falcon]

Annihilape???

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/8312f401f9c63a58 my version
https://pokepast.es/ca2c64e1a78663b7 the original

[timber falcon]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to stella_novie

[craggy dagger]

i think ape was their intim deterrent

[timber falcon]

Ok so lugia is basically a balance mon, ape is cool i like it

[craggy dagger]

yes-
lugia balance-

but lugia setup balance

[timber falcon]

I thought for sure there would be redirection

[craggy dagger]

lugia kinda just sits behind screens and spams calm mind till +3

[timber falcon]

Ok thanks for the xtra info

[craggy dagger]

np np

[timber falcon]

I assume rilla stops rapid strike

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010

[craggy dagger]

sure-
its mostly there to stop rapid, groudon and other grass weak
but also to setup grassy terrain for boosted floral healing

[dapper crag]

Move: Floral Healing

The target restores 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded half up. If the terrain is Grassy Terrain, the target instead restores 2/3 of its maximum HP, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

oh as well as to overwrite any other terran ofc

[solid frigate]

le boi

[craggy dagger]

i mean rilla does what rilla did in Reg F and stuff

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

[craggy dagger]

baby pao

[solid frigate]

me when Rillaboom does rilla stuff

[craggy dagger]

what-
rilla fakes out-
wood hammers
resets terrain
glides into others

thats reg F rilla xD

[solid frigate]

lmao

[craggy dagger]

unless rilla did some other stuff i dont remember-

OH-
spore immunity

[solid frigate]

yep

and also nerfing ground type moves

[timber falcon]

Isn’t it just eq?

[dapper crag]

Move: Grassy Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Grassy Terrain. During the effect, the power of Grass-type attacks used by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5, and grounded Pokemon have 1/16 of their maximum HP, rounded down, restored at the end of each turn, including the last turn. Camouflage transforms the user into a Grass type, Nature Power becomes Energy Ball, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause sleep. Fails if the current terrain is Grassy Terrain.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

And bulldoze

[craggy dagger]

earthquake and magnitude

[dapper crag]

Move: Magnitude

The power of this move varies; 5% chances for 10 and 150 power, 10% chances for 30 and 110 power, 20% chances for 50 and 90 power, and 30% chance for 70 power. Damage doubles if the target is using Dig.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

30 (48)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

Didn’t even know this existed

[south shuttle]

how?

magnitude was a very popular move to use in playthroughs

[autumn vault]

Because it is irrelevant as fuck

[south shuttle]

(or at least i did)

[south shuttle]

in competitive yes

[solid frigate]

basically a Non consistent Earthquake

[fair wraith]

https://pokepast.es/0663ee4eef7482f2 made a funny dog moose team

surprisingly good

[solid frigate]

it looks good for me

[craggy dagger]

dont ting lu usually have some speed and atk in them too?

[fair wraith]

idk tbh

haven't used him since reg c

[solid frigate]

Ting-Lu @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
EVs: 76 HP / 4 Atk / 172 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Careful Nature

• Sand Tomb
• Ruination
• Taunt
• Stomping Tantrum

You mean dis?

[craggy dagger]

yeah

smth like that ig

[solid frigate]

It should be AV

Ting-Lu @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
EVs: 100 HP / 76 Atk / 116 Def / 212 SpD / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Adamant Nature

• Stomping Tantrum
• Ruination
• Body Press
• Heavy Slam

[upbeat quail]

Took a break for a few days from comp. First game back I get crit three time in a fucking row, and all three crits mattered. I’m about ready to give up

[solid frigate]

tf

[craggy dagger]

ouch-

[solid frigate]

from what pokemon-

[willow vault]

Damn

[fair wraith]

i'll try it w that tbf

i just like snarl as an option, especially against certain tr mons and CSR

[solid frigate]

against Specs Terapagos as well

[fair wraith]

haven't had a game against that tbh

[timber falcon]

Is it in scarlet and Violet?

Then that’s why

[fair wraith]

was gonna swap bolt for something bc it doesn't feel smoth w the team

any ideas?

[solid frigate]

it kinda happened to me when i made my terapagos team,lemme think

what is your worst MU rn

[willow vault]

What’s the team?

[fair wraith]

i've only played a few games and only lost one due to a crit flinch

[fair wraith]

this

[craggy dagger]

show team :0

ohhh

[upbeat quail]

Blood moon ursaluna crit a vacuum wave, a blood moon, and a hyper voice

Gosh I wish I didn’t get so tilted so easily. I just wanna enjoy this game again

[fair wraith]

i played a game vs a vacuum wave WP flygon and terapagos once

[willow vault]

Yikes

[fair wraith]

it was odd

[solid frigate]

ok thats just mean

all three CRIT?

[upbeat quail]

Yep! I should’ve saved the showdown replay

Then i decided to play two matches while tilted and lost those.

[fair wraith]

oooooh actually, i quite favour raichu rn

i think miraidon could be a pretty bad MU if i play it wrong

fake out, nuzzle/actual damage move, helping hand and protect maybe

max speed bulky

[chrome knot]

raichu

[solid frigate]

Lightning Rod set oooo

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger help me its the crowd of people who think raichu and rhyperior will be good

https://tenor.com/view/whimsicott-smile-gif-19923061

[solid frigate]

my cotton baby

[fair wraith]

rhyperior not so much

[craggy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/inaba-himeko-himeko-inaba-anime-exhausted-gif-25207222

[fair wraith]

raichu has definetly proved itself in the past and choice specs bike dragon didn't exist then

[chrome knot]

literally WHERE

[fair wraith]

it won worlds

[craggy dagger]

emma-
you know im not the one to come to for this-
i use stupid mons xD

[chrome knot]

in what scarlet&violet format had raichu use

[fair wraith]

this one lol

[chrome knot]

i legit dont care abt past formats

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/90/55/90/80/110

Total

485

Other Formes

Raichu-Alola

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[fair wraith]

if tsareena can have viability then so can the better leccy mouse

[chrome knot]

tsareena has an anti priority ability and actually kills shit💀

[solid frigate]

go brrrrrrrrrr

[fair wraith]

farig exists rillaboom exists

they do either better

and even then tsareena is just kinda deadweight unless it can tank a hit

[chrome knot]

an anti priority grass type! whaaat free kyogre check that has use case outside of only that !?

[fair wraith]

hitting it's triple axle or power whip MAYBE

[chrome knot]

they run WIDE LENS

[fair wraith]

i ran it

i missed most still

[chrome knot]

skill issue

[upbeat quail]

This format is so fucking stressful

How do people not get tilted

[fair wraith]

doesn't check kyogre that well anyway

rillaboom is an infinitely better check

dare i say tsareena would be better as a kyogre support over a check

[chrome knot]

236+ Atk Tsareena Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 228-270 (130.2 - 154.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[craggy dagger]

uh-
i just shrug it off...
losing doesnt really bother me unless it was in some BS way where they landed a focus blast at -6 accuracy or smth

and that won them the game

[fair wraith]

and that's assuming they don't tera, have no bulk

and let you hit them

and assuming you move first

[chrome knot]

bc they MOSTLY run 252/252 for SpAtk & Spe

[craggy dagger]

dont most kyogre run max max though-

[chrome knot]

holy brain damage

[solid frigate]

DAMN.

[fair wraith]

didn't bulky kyogre top 5 a regional lol

[chrome knot]

play game to learn instead of play to win

works a lot lot better

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[chrome knot]

whys that funny

[craggy dagger]

learn to shrug it off-

[solid frigate]

true

[craggy dagger]

its not that big of a deal and i use it more as a learning opportunity-

[solid frigate]

why did i heard that before lol

[fair wraith]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123817635 I used the modified ting lu set and forget to switch it to fairy lol

actually went well

[timber falcon]

can i run a volt absorb mon with lugia, or is that a stretch?

[fair wraith]

i am aware that mienshao has inner focus i just wanted to break sash

[fair wraith]

i mean, you could use raichu and get lightning rod

it's like electric storm drain

[mighty stump]

Meme set

[timber falcon]

oh yeah forgot abt lightning rod#

rapid strike shifu is a huge nope for lugia so i need at least 2 mons that can deal with it

[craggy dagger]

wym

oh are you making a lugia team

[timber falcon]

mhm

and i dont really think the balance way works for me

[polar canyon]

First obvious choice is raging bolt

Second obvious choice is rillaboom

Hello

[timber falcon]

hello

[polar canyon]

If you also have a way to deal with farigiraf then you should be set for urshifu I think

[timber falcon]

i need some strong offensive threats

that dont need setting up

i think miracle seed rilla

[polar canyon]

Urshifu?

Mane

[timber falcon]

not set on mane, i hate caly-s rn and need and answer

so maybe durshifu as it helps farig MU

[polar canyon]

Booster speed mane with protect could force a tera

[solid frigate]

kek

[timber falcon]

even so, ill need an answer for that forced tera

doesnt make it a win

[polar canyon]

It's hard to answer a pokemon with 150 speed and also decently bulky

Like if ice is bulky you'd expect shadow to be frail but no it still has good stats

[solid frigate]

moment

[timber falcon]

i need resists then

[polar canyon]

Assault vest incineroar

[solid frigate]

same type as Lunala,but more opressive

[polar canyon]

Snarl spam is nice

[timber falcon]

yeah AV incin works

[solid frigate]

thats why i have that Incin

[polar canyon]

What's funny is snarl is a 2hko if they don't tera

[solid frigate]

wait actually lol-

[timber falcon]

oh but what nature then

-speed?

[polar canyon]

I use -speed so it doesn't hurt snarl damage but it's up to you

Only a minor difference in damage

[timber falcon]

i dont mind a slower incin so why not

[solid frigate]

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 228 HP / 4 Atk / 124 Def / 124 SpD / 28 Spe
Impish Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Fake Out

I just use this

[timber falcon]

oh ill also need a moongus answer now that i think abt it

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon?

[polar canyon]

Hearthflame?

[timber falcon]

heartflame looks nice

[polar canyon]

What do we have so far

Hearthflame is also redirection

[timber falcon]

rilla, incin, heartflame, lugia

[fair wraith]

water oger?

[timber falcon]

not set on shifu yet

[timber falcon]

CC hurts too much

[fair wraith]

it'll never kill

[polar canyon]

If you use water shifu you get the classic rilla incin shifu fwg core

[fair wraith]

well ohko rather

[timber falcon]

watershifu and comfee?

[polar canyon]

I think the team might like the wicked blow for farigiraf

[timber falcon]

comfey with rocky helmet

i dont think farig is too much of a threat with rilla here

[fair wraith]

rockey comfey is what i use

tanks surging with +50% hp remaining

[timber falcon]

oh nice, do u have the set?

[fair wraith]

yea

[polar canyon]

That's gotta be heavy into defense right?

[timber falcon]

if possible could i check it out?

[fair wraith]

Un-Comfey (Comfey) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Triage
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Floral Healing
• Draining Kiss
• Calm Mind
• Protect

tbf it is just 252 252 4

[timber falcon]

calm mind is interesting

[fair wraith]

well what else woul i run over it

encore?

[timber falcon]

maybe tw or taunt, even tr

my team likes tw so ill run that

[fair wraith]

would you not maybe prefer whimsicott then

[fair wraith]

https://pokepast.es/0663ee4eef7482f2 my team doesn't either and it does well into either

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/2b37797c89788778 the team

zama team i see

looks solid

[fair wraith]

i think it's genuinely the best team i've ever made

i love it

[timber falcon]

i feel u man

made an absolute banger of a lunala team

the best team ive ever created

[solid frigate]

I don't have a Best Team,its still flawed for My Terapagos Team

[polar canyon]

I think the best team I made was a meme team

Well half meme team

One meme pokemon and a solid rest of the team

[timber falcon]

all teams have to be flawed tbh, i dont think theres such thing as a perfect one

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c737bf76d73af95f
https://pokepast.es/9764a6a74b7e01d0
https://pokepast.es/219915dabd811227

But which one do you think its the best

[polar canyon]

The tr sweeper greedent team

Greedent was surprisingly consistently good

[timber falcon]

i like the dawn wings one

[timber falcon]

belly drum shenanigans

[solid frigate]

yeah

meanwhile me:Stilla Terapagos Cresselia beliver

[timber falcon]

i simply like the dawn wings cause i dont see it often lul

[fair wraith]

I love the fact that you basically need to have a non prankster taunter now

makes matchups way more fun

[solid frigate]

lol

[timber falcon]

and im dissapointed i havent seen much of lunala

[fair wraith]

groudon and lunala are seprately frauds

[timber falcon]

at the start id say it was fairly common to see, now its not really worth worrying about Mu wise]

[fair wraith]

but lunadon is fearsome

[timber falcon]

i dissagree

lunala used offensively is suprisingly very good]

[fair wraith]

it's not exactly standing out in this format tho

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/bdd79c6a5850e6d3

idk why it isnt, ive been cooking ppl with it

[fair wraith]

like CSR CIR Zamazenta Kyogre Miraidon and koraidon

[solid frigate]

there is a Lunala in Top cut in Argentina

[timber falcon]

i dont think many think about it is all, i hit 1600 with like 75%GXE with it

no tr shenanigans

[fair wraith]

i hit 1600 with my zama team whilst losing one match to rng

[timber falcon]

rng sucks

[fair wraith]

crit flinch dark pulse

[timber falcon]

what i like to see

[solid frigate]

lol

[balmy glen]

xd

[timber falcon]

oh and dengo caly wins

[solid frigate]

yeah- it looks like its still Specs Terapagos-

Sigh

[fair wraith]

are we not gonna mention the torkoal in top 2 lol

or the gholdengo that won

[timber falcon]

i mean its tr torkaol, not that odd

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 791: Solgaleo

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Full Metal Body

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/137/107/113/89/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[fair wraith]

in this reg it is

[south shuttle]

the stats are really good

[fair wraith]

and i can't say i've ever seen one with smeargle

[south shuttle]

why does nobody use soga as a restricted

[timber falcon]

pretty sure on caly-ice teams it isnt that idd

[south shuttle]

pretty bulky

[solid frigate]

terrible Movepool

[timber falcon]

look at the moves lul

[fair wraith]

i ran it w decorate on caly ice tbf

[south shuttle]

its mainly supportive

[solid frigate]

its not?

[timber falcon]

137 base attack = support?

[south shuttle]

well my set is

[fair wraith]

i see DD dusk mane being used sometimes

[south shuttle]

130 hp

[solid frigate]

why d-dance-

[fair wraith]

idk

[solid frigate]

thats like what Smogon would use-

[fair wraith]

just what i've seen it run

[timber falcon]

anyone up for a bo3 ?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dusk-Mane

Types

Psychic/Steel

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/157/127/113/109/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

just kinda bored, ill test run lugia properly later

[strange fjord]

ots or cts?

[solid frigate]

ots obv

[south shuttle]

sogaleo gets psychic fangs, sunsteel, wide guard, and morning sun for recovery

[timber falcon]

i can di either tbh##

[south shuttle]

so i donnt think its that bad

[mighty stump]

Walled by Incineroar type moveset

kek

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[solid frigate]

then how it can set up besides Weakness Policy

[strange fjord]

not obv bc ive done some bo3 with people who don't like ots

but yeah i personally prefer ots

i can do a bo3 ots

[timber falcon]

yippe

[south shuttle]

solgaleo gets earthquake

[timber falcon]

user?

[solid frigate]

and even then there is not Dynamax to save Solgaleo from being taken too much damage from activate Weakness policy

[south shuttle]

and its immune to intimidate

[mighty stump]

Ur still looking at this from not a VGC pov lol

[timber falcon]

using eq ti terminate a single threat and trilla being meta, ehhhh

and it wont kill i bet

[solid frigate]

just adding,even with Weakness Policy Sets,there is no Dynamax to save from dealing too much Damage to activate it

[mighty stump]

Idk why you need Weakness Policy tho

[south shuttle]

just an idea

[timber falcon]

more damage and funni in cts

[solid frigate]

just for sweet boosts cuz i remember solgaleo did not have Swords Dance or Bulk up right?

[mighty stump]

Not exactly one of my tenets lol

[dapper crag]

Solgaleo's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Crunch, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Steel Roller, Stone Edge, Sunsteel Strike, Superpower, Take Down, Wake-Up Slap, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mystical Fire, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Morning Sun, Noble Roar, Protect, Psych Up, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Solgaleo.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[strange fjord]

PizzaTimeJoshua

[solid frigate]

bro has calm mind but isn't a special attacker-

[south shuttle]

solgaleo isnt for sweeping

[timber falcon]

sent

[south shuttle]

you use dusk mane for that

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

????????

[timber falcon]

neither is caly shadow rider

[solid frigate]

did you watch Smogon too much

[timber falcon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2123865997

[south shuttle]

smogon is singles right

[solid frigate]

yes

[south shuttle]

🫥

[solid frigate]

Solgaleo was not suppose to do Support

Dusk Mane rarely go that fast

[mighty stump]

Im gonna just say considering both parties are approaching a singular topic from two very different perspectives that this is gonna be very non-productive

Not really much point to discussing when it's just going to lead to more tangents and a half

[solid frigate]

i am just gonna leave him be then

[willow vault]

Hey Tofu what’s your thoughts on av Kyogre, I just want to keep my options open when using Kyogre

[mighty stump]

After hearing what Tang said, I like the idea

Ekeing out better damage trades overall since you leverage your bulk

[willow vault]

Like specs is also really good but having multiple different ideas can be very useful

[south shuttle]

i just never saw solgaleo get usage

[craggy dagger]

mmh-?
theres another arguement?

[south shuttle]

so i didnt know what vgc set it ran

[mighty stump]

Not an argument

Just a mismatched approach to a topic thats just not really productive

[craggy dagger]

oh

dusk mane?

[south shuttle]

solgaleo bulky set

[craggy dagger]

oh just regular...

[mighty stump]

Don't think I saw anyone mentiong about a bulky Solg either

[bold geode]

Meanwhile Rillaboom be like

[craggy dagger]

wp solgaleo/dusk mane was common in swsh iirc-

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-phil-collins-drums-gorilla-playing-drums-in-the-air-tonight-gif-20523573

[timber falcon]

ggs

[craggy dagger]

hey monke-

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-conduciendo-gif-24377638

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18999789

https://pokepast.es/e331d546820ef1c9 oh yeah any thoughts

[mighty stump]

If you're gonna do Lugia stuff might as well do Chance's team lmao

[craggy dagger]

he already looked at it

[timber falcon]

i decided that playstyle wasnt my forte

[craggy dagger]

mines a copy with yu but i need to experiment to make strawberry lugia better

[timber falcon]

my thoughts on lugia is that i need offensive pressure to 1st weaken opponent

after prev experiences

[mighty stump]

This is then just a worse Terapagos team

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

precisely

[mighty stump]

That like

[timber falcon]

but its more of a niche approach

[mighty stump]

Loses even more hard to Incineroar

and/or CSR

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

lugia or the team

[mighty stump]

Theres not exactly much forward offensive pressure going on here either

You dont have Scarf/Damage item on Urshifu

Ogerpon has no Wood Hammer

[timber falcon]

wel........

[craggy dagger]

if anything i’d run wellspring-

maybe use someone else instead of shifu

[mighty stump]

4 of these mons are sitting ducks in front of Incineroar

with one depending on a lot of setup to threaten an OHKO

[timber falcon]

hm

[craggy dagger]

yeah….
lugia kinda lacks in SpA

a +3 earth power couldn’t ohko drago’s zacian

[dapper crag]

Move: Blood Moon

Cannot be selected the turn after it's used.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

140

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Ability: Mind's Eye

This Pokemon can hit Ghost types with Normal- and Fighting-type moves. Prevents other Pokemon from lowering this Pokemon's accuracy stat stage. This Pokemon ignores a target's evasiveness stat stage.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

though maybe it’s a roll?

[timber falcon]

oh

normally when shroomerish uses /dt i expect a take

also lugia very hard

[mighty stump]

You're inviting one by explicitly pointing it out

Lol

[south shuttle]

wdym

[mighty stump]

Also why is Incineroar -Spe nature

[timber falcon]

like this

[south shuttle]

oh makes sense

is evasive moves allowed in vgc?

[timber falcon]

yes

[timber falcon]

snarl

[south shuttle]

so mind's eye second effect is actually useful

[south shuttle]

nice

[mighty stump]

Clear Amulet usage rates

Lmao

[timber falcon]

av groudon looks good

[mighty stump]

Time to lose every Fake Out mirror ever

[timber falcon]

how would u prep a lugia team?

[mighty stump]

I don't understand wanting -Spe for Snarl

Lugia? Like Chance

Screens + Healing

[timber falcon]

idk just to not lose damage

[mighty stump]

You go in on the bulk since thats all your eggs in one basket and keep it safe

What do you mean lose damage

[timber falcon]

ok so just revolve around 2 bulky mons

in chances case annihilape and lugia

[craggy dagger]

oh my

[mighty stump]

If you're playing Protect the Queen then do that

[timber falcon]

oh ive done a team like that b4

[mighty stump]

Nothing wrong with doing it Balance wise but you cant really just shove Incin/Boom/Shifu Balance on everything

I'm beginning to suspect some people use it as a crutch

[timber falcon]

i for sure do

[carmine trout]

evs for flygon?

[craggy dagger]

incin is a crutch-
most of the time

[mighty stump]

Teambuilding wise, I meant

[craggy dagger]

ah fair enough

[timber falcon]

well yeah, i forget vgc is more than 30 mons half the time

[south shuttle]

wow i just realized how op indeedee is

[craggy dagger]

which one

[south shuttle]

psychic terrain blocking fake out is really good

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/4d20b5c23307848d I had a Comfey team from Reg F that you can probably transition Lugia-wise

Same concept

[south shuttle]

the bulky one

[mighty stump]

Your eggs are in one basket so make the most of it

[craggy dagger]

armor tail does the same tbh-

without it being removed by a stray rillaboom/miraidon

[south shuttle]

but indeedee also gets follow me

[timber falcon]

ok

[mighty stump]

Im just saying thats a concept

[craggy dagger]

tell me something new…

[dapper crag]

Item: Mago Berry

Restores 1/3 max HP at 1/4 max HP or less; confuses if -Spe Nature. Single use.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Move: Gastro Acid

Causes the target's Ability to be rendered ineffective as long as it remains active. If the target uses Baton Pass, the replacement will remain under this effect. If the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Disguise, Gulp Missile, Ice Face, Multitype, Power Construct, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shift, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero, this move fails, and receiving the effect through Baton Pass ends the effect immediately.

Type

Poison

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

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Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone ran Supportive Lugia

[timber falcon]

i was thinking of it

[craggy dagger]

awwwweeee-
i can’t remove calyrex’s ability

[mighty stump]

TW/Safeguard

[timber falcon]

mhm

[south shuttle]

get a mummy cofagrigus

[craggy dagger]

i was thinking tw supp lugia-
but was shut down by a few cause there are better

[south shuttle]

very viable 👍

[craggy dagger]

not in the game iirc

[graceful flare]

Where did herbie the misfit vgc player go

[mighty stump]

Sure there is better

But none of them are named Lugia

[craggy dagger]

prolly busy

[mighty stump]

So like

[craggy dagger]

true true

[mighty stump]

Lugia's the best at existing as Lugia

[graceful flare]

What restricted u runnin

[timber falcon]

cosmoem is meta rn id run that

[bold geode]

I hope so

"Lugia sucks at being Lugia bro"

[graceful flare]

Lugia is overated

And so are the creation trio

They are awfully mid

[craggy dagger]

huh

[timber falcon]

being mid is exactly why theyre not overrated lmao

[graceful flare]

Like as a pokemon not competivily

[craggy dagger]

yeah i was gonna say

[timber falcon]

oh as a pokemon? now i got smth to say abt that

[mighty stump]

I don't see how the aesthetics of a Pokemon is exactly relevant to its competitive viability

[craggy dagger]

no even then though-
lots of people choose others

[craggy dagger]

@chrome knot fight this battle with me

[timber falcon]

youll never see a mon better than lugia i tell, majestic movements and a simple design, truly the mon of all time

along with funni wings

if u can call them wings

[craggy dagger]

i mean there’s nothing wrong with having meta(mon) mons-
but ig some people prefer running aesthetic pokemon

[mighty stump]

Yeah but that's nothing to do with their viability though

[graceful flare]

Fading star guy ops on juice wrld

[craggy dagger]

wait no i misread that mb

[mighty stump]

You replace Incineroar's whole design with a white.jpeg as long as it has the exact same stats/typing/movepool

It's still gonna be the same thing

[craggy dagger]

mmm?
no not really?

is it something i should give a listen to?

[graceful flare]

Yes it's very good

Better than what ur listening to now

[craggy dagger]

i’ll do it once the hype for the album i’m caught in has died down (it won’t)

[timber falcon]

how bad can i be from the lorax🗣️

[craggy dagger]

it was actually good tho so like-
i have no objections

[graceful flare]

Why did u change ur name

[craggy dagger]

i didn’t
this is my original name

[graceful flare]

What

U changed the font

[craggy dagger]

i removed my server nickname

[graceful flare]

Ohh

Ok Ig ill just listen to that thing u are

[craggy dagger]

i was going to change my name

[graceful flare]

Wanna play a battle

[craggy dagger]

vgc?

[graceful flare]

I'll full piece ur whole team

Yes

[craggy dagger]

on showdown yeah?

[graceful flare]

No ew

Sv is where the real stuff is at

[craggy dagger]

i’m out so i don’t have my switch

plus my team isn’t built yet in sv

[graceful flare]

What is ur team

That u mostly use

[craggy dagger]

mmmmh-
what part of i don’t have my switch or i don’t have my team built in sv yet do you not understand

[graceful flare]

I meant in showdown

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123888357-yfoe6252t8gsabubunxasmw5yu8b4umpw
its always the calyrex shadow riders bruh

[craggy dagger]

on showdown it’s built yeah-

[graceful flare]

Tell me

[craggy dagger]

my team?

[graceful flare]

Yes

[craggy dagger]

just challenge me and you’ll find out

[graceful flare]

I don't play showdown

Showdown is for peasants and sv is for royalty

[craggy dagger]

then don’t ask for my team

[mighty stump]

Weird behaviour to express in a competitive channel but sure

[craggy dagger]

LMAO-
hisuian zoroark putting in work

[strange fjord]

i have like 3 replays with this same format. the shadow rider get OHKO'd by Zoro and my turtle is at +1. they then forfeit

[craggy dagger]

Shadow rider who?

[mighty stump]

Sometimes I forget Horoark has a Normal-typing

[south shuttle]

pokemon be giving all the past pokemon good shinies

[craggy dagger]

i only remember cause @charred saddle used explosion eleki on me 10 times

next to horoark

[charred saddle]

[south shuttle]

[charred saddle]

i think its a trauma at this point

[craggy dagger]

i was so ready to play an actual game and then you just beat the shit out of me with that

[south shuttle]

koraidon flare blitz is a bit much

especially with band

[craggy dagger]

how so?

[spiral ridge]

Fucking evil Leo

[craggy dagger]

you-
play vgc now

[charred saddle]

[south shuttle]

the damage is boosted a lot

[craggy dagger]

i’d say choice band is a bit much not flare blitz-

[spiral ridge]

It’s like 1/7 on the wheel I’m just unlucky as you know

[spiral ridge]

I love it cus that’s crazy funny but evil

[south shuttle]

i said band too

[craggy dagger]

oh you did mb

[south shuttle]

it gets 33% from orichalcum

50 from sun

if only it was stab 😔

[craggy dagger]

tera

[mighty stump]

Technically thanks to Sun it is STAB just no additonal bonuses

[south shuttle]

tera fire 💀

[mighty stump]

Lmaoo

[craggy dagger]

oh actually-

[mighty stump]

I mean

Its 1.5x

STAB is 1.5x

[craggy dagger]

ah

[mighty stump]

You basically have built in STAB already, just don't get additional boosts

[craggy dagger]

i thought weather was 1.3

[mighty stump]

No, that's Terrain

[south shuttle]

thats terrain

[craggy dagger]

yep okay-
i get the two mixed up sometimes

[spiral ridge]

Dandara seems short though so vgc will have another chance soon

[strange fjord]

yooo i broke 1600 on bo1

[spiral ridge]

But until then I’m outta here numbers are scary

[mighty stump]

gz

oo 73.9% GXE

[craggy dagger]

ooo nice nice

[mighty stump]

nice

[craggy dagger]

i’m still stuck in-
1100

[graceful flare]

Expanding force caly shadow with helping hand indeede is amazing

[mighty stump]

caveman discovering fire ahh statement

[autumn vault]

I haven't played comp recently, i am at 1300 elo with above 50% win rate

[south shuttle]

i just played against a parabolic charge specs tera electric miraidon

it gets infinite heals

[craggy dagger]

maybe i should start playing properly instead of whatever the heck this is https://pokepast.es/abc6850293f96ff1

[strange fjord]

i think you're missing a restricted

[craggy dagger]

noh-
ion wanna use a restricted

oh…
maybe that’s why i’m losing

[mighty stump]

Wow this is my favourite Pokemon

Never seen it before

[strange fjord]

also last replay that got me past 1600 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123896093-85r5x640gebwopyl9sw6d6v3ycprn9hpw

[mighty stump]

Why the hell is there a PIkachu

[south shuttle]

[mighty stump]

on a Miraidon team

[south shuttle]

lightning orb?

[mighty stump]

Why did he click Surging Strikes in front of Sinistcha

[strange fjord]

fr that match got me confused

[mighty stump]

Why did he not bring Miraidon

wtf

[graceful flare]

Tofu

Wanna play

[mighty stump]

Why did he Foul Play a Fairy type

[mighty stump]

No, I don't accept matches from strangers

[polar canyon]

Would you accept if I asked

[mighty stump]

Depends on the mood

So tentative maybe

[polar canyon]

Cool

[strange fjord]

wacky way to get past 1600 tbh

[graceful flare]

Do you know campfire tofu

[craggy dagger]

i saw the-
rhyhorn go down to 1 hp and i got-
psyched out by the illusion

[polar canyon]

What

Rhyhorn

[graceful flare]

Are y and todu friends

[craggy dagger]

^^

[polar canyon]

I need to watch the relay now

[mighty stump]

Anything really works nowadays I guess

Lmao

[polar canyon]

I had no idea tera shell worked for multi hit moves

[south shuttle]

sd unburden focus sash hawlucha + reversal is too good in singles

[craggy dagger]

anything by works as long as you put your mind into it tbh

[mighty stump]

Its pretty unique

[south shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sword-swordsman-anime-sword-anime-swordsman-gif-13959063692653323976

[mighty stump]

Had to write a whole post about it just to make sure I got all the information right

[polar canyon]

Quick attack

[south shuttle]

shhhh

we dont talk about that

[south shuttle]

you can set up psychic terrain prior though

[craggy dagger]

extreme speed, sucker punch-
uhhh-
an opposing sash

[strange fjord]

terrain doesnt work on flying types

[craggy dagger]

or levitate

[torn parrot]

Such a cool animation

[strange fjord]

unless you tera hawlucha

[craggy dagger]

oh wait

lucha is flying

[south shuttle]

i never knew that

[south shuttle]

it gets upper hand

[strange fjord]

you can fake out a flying type even if psychic terrain is up

unless it teras

[dapper crag]

Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

upper hand would go before but like-
you can’t reversal/counter

[south shuttle]

some damage is better than none

[craggy dagger]

i’m talking abt this-
you can’t move twice

remember when you could move twice in gen 6 if your speed got too fast

[south shuttle]

i never played gen 6 really

[craggy dagger]

at least i think-?

i remember seeing mega aerodactyl move twice

no nvm my brain is on something today

[strange fjord]

you can move twice if you have mega kangaskhan

or if you have oranguru using instruct

[mighty stump]

You can move twice if you deck your opp

[south shuttle]

you can run hawlucha in any format past gen 6 i think

so its still good in stuff like gen 9

[craggy dagger]

[willow vault]

Ok this was ridiculous, just started playing through pokemon sword because I want shiny legendaries and my first wild encounter

Lmaooooo

[craggy dagger]

ooo nice

[mighty stump]

Shiny Shiftry is pretty nice

[willow vault]

I’ve never seen it

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/shiftry.gif

[willow vault]

Ooh

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/shiftry.gif

[mighty stump]

Cherrywood

Very nice

Closer to proper Tengu colours

[willow vault]

I’m still in shock of that, 1st ingame non forced encounter, that’s ridiculous

[craggy dagger]

the green though

[mighty stump]

Shiftry fits my aesthetic so much more so than Normal-types but majority of my favourite mons are Normal-type

Especially with how I dress irl

[torn parrot]

Nipple guy!!

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Calyrex-Ice [Psychic/Ice]

Resists (0.5x)

Ice, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Grass, Ground, Normal, Poison, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Fire, Ghost, Rock, Steel

Type Notes

Ice-types cannot be Frozen.
Ice-types have their Defense increased by 50% in Snow.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[south shuttle]

2 resists being your own type is just sad 😭

[dapper crag]

- [Steel/Fighting]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Rock

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Dragon, Grass, Ice, Normal, Steel

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1