competitive_discussion

[patent marsh]

people who's complaining is just coping

[mighty stump]

No shit

[molten oasis]

this is likely not a good idea

[mighty stump]

That's what im literally saying

You either suck, or your team sucks, or both

[cyan smelt]

why lando-t when chien pao is right there?

[mighty stump]

Thats all there is to it

[molten oasis]

Ground type so zacian doenst have to worry about fire/steel types as much

Which is not fun for it

I KNOW INCARNATE IS BETTER

[cyan smelt]

ok but it loses hard to pelipper/kyogre/urshifu-rapid

[molten oasis]

Ok

Zacian loses hard to Hearthflame groudon, probably zama

[cyan smelt]

that's why you have pelipper right

[molten oasis]

That wasn’t the point…

[mighty stump]

You know you probably can't win without also making some aggressive calls

From time to time

[molten oasis]

LANDO T IS GOOD (cope)

[mighty stump]

To like

Fully try and make use of Tera Stellar Blast

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s the plan

It punishes Tera fire/steel which is nice

Id also like a partner to help with that tbh

Which like, shifu does so

I might just put my money where my mouth is

And go give Therian a shot

[mighty stump]

Exciting times

Sometimes you get the chance to realise you still have a lot to learn

This is great

[cyan smelt]

ik i do

[mighty stump]

New puzzles

[molten oasis]

I need to be more open on trying things

I should be testing things that might work

[bold geode]

Just skill issue honestly

[molten oasis]

jeez that’s fucking depressing 0+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 134-162 (67 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar: 164-194 (82 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery give this thing high horsepower, if rilla can why can’t this lol

252+ Atk Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 152-182 (86.3 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

meaningful chip damage is also good ig

At least it should be incin, on paper

[zealous badger]

wat mons pair well with ice rider?

[cyan smelt]

amoonguss, ursa bm, urshifu-rapid

[tidal blade]

and farig

[zealous badger]

thx

[cyan smelt]

biei is cooking with lurantis and meowstic now

[smoky hawk]

I just tuned into the regional and it is over

Time zones and all that...

[knotty mirage]

Damn so zam just win regional i guess i will try to make zam team then

[molten oasis]

Yk what

Choice band lando t

[solid frigate]

oml

That two miss is just pain in the ASS

[molten oasis]

L+ratio+fuck you

[cyan smelt]

why not scarf lando-t

[molten oasis]

Why

Every other scarf Mon on the planet outspeeds it and it’s damage output is fairly middling

[cyan smelt]

hmm

[solid frigate]

so all Gen 9 Legendaries(Box Arts) and Zamazenta won Regionals Right rn

?

[molten oasis]

Yes

Wait no not koraidon

Idt koraidon won any regionals

[cyan smelt]

didn't tofu say it won one

[solid frigate]

Didn't Dillion said it won one yesterday?

and i even ask him What Terapagos set did the Winning Terapagosuse

AND IT STILLＳＰＥＣＳ

[cyan smelt]

specs terapagos is goated

[solid frigate]

I am still CACM

[molten oasis]

Was there some kind of regional yesterday or special event?

[solid frigate]

idk i forgot,But Dillion said there is 2

[bold geode]

Lemme look

[molten oasis]

156+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Flying Landorus-Therian U-turn vs. 164 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Wellspring: 156-184 (88.6 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

Carolina Special Event apparently

In Puerto Rico

Ain't showing the results yet

[molten oasis]

156+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-Therian Stomping Tantrum vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 216-254 (122.7 - 144.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Hehe

[solid frigate]

Damn

[solid frigate]

maybe Lando-T Return?

[molten oasis]

I’m playing 10-15 games with it, seeing how it does, and going from there

[solid frigate]

maybe i can make a Specs Terapagos Team but i only have one turtle so-

[cyan smelt]

tortle

[solid frigate]

yeah like i already locked my Terapagos as Clear Amulet Calm Mind

[cyan smelt]

you can take it out of your battle box and change it

[solid frigate]

ik ik

i always take them out after i made the rental code

[cyan smelt]

damn, archaludon is still strong

[molten oasis]

I lost a game to my opponent getting a double protect

[cyan smelt]

pain

[molten oasis]

Like turn 2

[patent marsh]

I mean it got access to the best rain setter in the game man

idk how it wouldn't be

[cyan smelt]

gotta watch out for it because it threatens zamazenta

[patent marsh]

steel dragon is a pretty good typing, it can also abuse body press with it's stamina ability

[solid frigate]

Kek

[patent marsh]

and it's signature move is literally a meteor beam that has solar beam's second text but for rain

[solid frigate]

and Urshifu Rapid can't do anything Cuz Surging Strikes is a Water move which archaludon resist,plus if you let t set up Stamina,CC can't do shit without a Crit

[patent marsh]

ye more or less

and most of them run AV

so specially tanky too

[cyan smelt]

basically you need sacred sword

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123163118n fun

[cyan smelt]

expired battle

[bold geode]

Also was a Bogota special event

So this weekend, NA, EU and LA regions had an event going on

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao is the Obvious Counter

[cyan smelt]

yep

[forest arrow]

Amoongus spore, clear smog

[solid frigate]

Zamazenta and Terapagos:Nah we hate Honse

[forest arrow]

I mean not Kelsch cause grass Tera

Clear smog you

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Knocks 2 Calyrex Teams from Finals lol

[bold geode]

Have to call the tera to do so

[solid frigate]

one in Indy one is Stockholm

[forest arrow]

Then I’ll sleep you

pressure the pressure

[next stump]

Zama, Terapagos, Miraidon, Koraidon, and Caly-I all have a regional championship under their belt now hahaha

this meta is crazy

[bold geode]

Terapagos got one?

[charred saddle]

specs pagos

[next stump]

Yeah it won either Colombia or Puerto Rico

I forget

[bold geode]

Wait so what events have happened so far for G

[solid frigate]

I love how Terapagos in both Indy and Stockholm knocking Calyrex Ice from the Finals

[forest arrow]

I’m kidding monke I’m playing with doggo rn

[next stump]

Argentina, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Indianapolis, Stockholm

[bold geode]

Thailand also

[bold geode]

Heehee
Conversion

[forest arrow]

I just swapped Caly with Zama 🤣

team works just as well

[bold geode]

Basically what you can do lmao

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-elekid-gif-17611613911271280380

[cyan smelt]

terapagoat

[next stump]

Thailand was Reg F

or whatever the old ruleset was

[bold geode]

Oh they do fuck shit

[molten oasis]

I get the incin hate

That wolfey has

[solid frigate]

yep-

its not an Exaggeration

[forest arrow]

I think we all hate it, we just have to deal with it

[bold geode]

I forget TPCi hates other Asian countries besides Japan and basically screws them over constantly

[solid frigate]

It is an Hate

[long narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/e5f18980e9b351a0 is this a good singles team finally finished it

[willow vault]

Anyone have any ideas what could be a strong pairing with eleki, I’m thinking of trying it due to its crazy speed control potential + it’s really good into many support monsters like Pelipper and Tornadus and also Urshifu-r

[cyan smelt]

torn, ogre

[atomic mural]

its beautiful

[forest arrow]

Let’s go

[willow vault]

Cool

[bold geode]

Like first they mess with Korea
Then now they're messing with some other Asian country, I don't remember if it was Thailand or maybe China?

[forest arrow]

Cybertron has a eleki tornogre team he recently featured

[solid frigate]

idk if Mainland China had these stuff

[forest arrow]

If you wanna check that out

[willow vault]

I’ll go have a look at that

[atomic mural]

does synchronize work for ivs? ik it does natures

[bold geode]

But one of the other Asian countries has to play a tournament with Reg F ruleset next month I believe?
Y'know
A month into Reg G

[forest arrow]

Why?

[bold geode]

Who knows

It's so stupid

[solid frigate]

i know Hong Kong and Taiwan has it but they are very small tournaments and its National Championships

So idk if its relevant

[bold geode]

Yeah but still

Should be playing Reg G

[solid frigate]

they are Reg G now

[bold geode]

Which is the ruleset everyone else is playing

[solid frigate]

just only start in June

[long narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/e5f18980e9b351a0 is this a good singles team finally finished it

[bold geode]

Yeah
When everyone else is starting Reg G in May

Like that's a month

[solid frigate]

yeah because HK is a small ass city so they don't have any tournaments until June

[bold geode]

It was Phillipines

[solid frigate]

lemme check

[bold geode]

Phillipines and Singapore

In May, which is in Reg G
Have to play with Reg F ruleset
Why lmao

[molten oasis]

I got a choice banded lando, I do not like it lol

[bold geode]

Like why do you have to play Reg F when everyone is playing Reg G

[molten oasis]

I’ve beat 2 but the players I’m losing to are ofc caly players

[bold geode]

Hell
When doing Link Battles, you have to do official rules 2 rn cuz if you do official rules 1, then you can't use your restricted

[rustic mountain]

sees zama won
oh god help us

[molten oasis]

Skill issue for sure just annoying

[rustic mountain]

nope

[solid frigate]

idfk they are slow-

but thats not an excuse for Singapore-

[atomic mural]

w

[south shuttle]

Weakness policy Endure ceruledge is surprisingly good

[next stump]

what restricted theoretically has the best MU into Zama? Lunala?

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

Zama?

Id say CSR lol

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Not an excuse for either really

[next stump]

yeah actually CSR is better

[mighty stump]

Only cause Wide Guard isn't a real answer

[next stump]

I was thinking ghost type and forgot that existed LOL

[mighty stump]

Cuase you can pin the slot

[rustic mountain]

csr stonks go up?

[mighty stump]

Miraidon is ok

[next stump]

dude it’s crazy

CIR does crazy good at Indy

[solid frigate]

now everyone is gonna counter Zamazenta-

[next stump]

Zama is one of the best answers

now Zama does crazy

[rustic mountain]

yea i was saying that yday

[next stump]

excited to see the L.A. meta

[rustic mountain]

interesting for sure

[mighty stump]

Tyo's predictions are pretty spot on call wise too

Its like a closed loop

[rustic mountain]

not surprised

[chrome knot]

@next stump did you see marco silva variant ?

[solid frigate]

bro finally got its glory

[south shuttle]

Zamazenta is good in doubles?

[next stump]

no I haven’t I gotta rewatch the whole tourney and look at teams, just saw that Michael won

[mighty stump]

Gholdengo stonks also going up

[next stump]

he destroyed me on bo3 ladder 3 days ago

[south shuttle]

I thought it was a singles mon

[mighty stump]

Chi-Yu did a double key miss

[chrome knot]

its our 6 but instead of rss its ss

[solid frigate]

its literally won a regional

[chrome knot]

volt switch on bolt, few different items

[rustic mountain]

if u told zama enjoyers in gen 8 how well itd do current day:

[south shuttle]

What set

[next stump]

i remember thinking “man no way Michael’s team is actually good this thing just destroys ice rider and that’s it”

[bold geode]

CSR, Lunala, the mirror is actually a bit funny

[next stump]

i was #wrong

[rustic mountain]

that team is weird af tbf

[chrome knot]

I adjusted to it to test it out and I paired into the team he lost to in t4 so if I were in stockholm id be advancing to finals LOL

[solid frigate]

Body Press,Wide Guard,Protect and Heavy Slam

[bold geode]

Gholdengo Caly I is hellish for Zama

[next stump]

i’m excited to check it out, still scarf ursh?

[chrome knot]

sash ursh

[mighty stump]

Probably why he has like 2 mons that can force it to Tera

or any Ghost type really

[south shuttle]

Is zama restricted

[next stump]

in theory it’s good but when I played Michael on ladder (haven’t seen his tourney team) he had answers into it

[solid frigate]

Y E S

[next stump]

double wide guard, goggles Moltres-Galar that was faster than Ghold, etc.

it was really hard to find spots to make it work

[mighty stump]

It was Keanu/Zhang's team

The Latios/Goltres stuff

[south shuttle]

Isn’t there a lot better wide guard users

[rustic mountain]

idt they had wide guard originally right?

[next stump]

was it wide guard Zama or no?

[mighty stump]

They did

[chrome knot]

yes

[mighty stump]

They got rid of ID

[solid frigate]

Both Wide Guard and Prrotect

[rustic mountain]

right

[mighty stump]

Which I kinda get why

[next stump]

okay yeah I remember thinking that was the key innovation making the ice rider matchup so bad

like michael had TWO against me

wtf am I supposed to do

[chrome knot]

are ss ursh adamant or jolly

[rustic mountain]

yea it makes sense i just misremembered

[forest arrow]

+1 BP does good damage alone so it makes sense

[rustic mountain]

its a cool team

[solid frigate]

that did half on Specs Tera Shell Terapagos-

[mighty stump]

I guess its also more turn efficient to just keep clicking Body Press since you can't really mitigate it

[mighty stump]

Less than half, SoR

[bold geode]

Oh yeah he has answers but like
In my personal experiences, Caly I MUs or Caly Pelipper I could just lead Zama and sit there no worries
Gholdengo basically adds another dimension that makes it far more difficult

[chrome knot]

Screech time

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah they had Chien Pao too

[rustic mountain]

yea i think the team just doesnt really give way to supporting the set up and wants to be proactive instead of turns just clicking ID

[forest arrow]

I guess that helps with no ID

[solid frigate]

i can hear the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[mighty stump]

Dw

Its time for Curselax win game ggez

🆒

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

But yeah Keanu's version had good answers for Goldie

[solid frigate]

true tho

[bold geode]

Like that team basically looks like it took into account not necessarily as much MUs but things that most directly hurt Zama and countered them effectively

[mighty stump]

I mean

Thats

Accounting for MUs by definition

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Tera grass calm mind kyogre, yaaaaaaay

And next ti incin, fuck incin

[mighty stump]

You know

Actually

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Instead of MUs into this archetype or that archetype
I can see even more answers for like directly Lando I or Chi Yu or Sun

[mighty stump]

What would be a pog Zama

answer

[solid frigate]

ok thats fair

Is it Mystic Water set?

[mighty stump]

You go Dusclops LOL

Spam Night Shade

[molten oasis]

lefties

[bold geode]

That is fucked

[forest arrow]

ClopsMoon is back lol

[mighty stump]

Wisp Night Shade

[solid frigate]

ah i see

[bold geode]

No Tofu
You just Will O Wisp

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

lmao

[mighty stump]

Tbh

Koraidon could be ok into the Zama team

[balmy glen]

it is

a well built korai team is solid into our team tbh

but nobody has one atm

[willow vault]

when you complain about bo1 shenanigans and you become the shenangians https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123188416-uawff2zdysdsuaz429xupf7bn4zviyepw

[solid frigate]

its a massacre lol

[willow vault]

it was unfortunate for them

[solid frigate]

yep

[strange fjord]

why is it always the CSR players lol

[rustic mountain]

looks like a task for u and esm

build a good one to counter the team u guys made

[solid frigate]

people when rthey see CSR:Oh? Fast And hit hard? I like it

Get Obliterted by Miraidon and Terapagos

[strange fjord]

Their CSR somehow faints early then they forfeit right after

[solid frigate]

damn'

[strange fjord]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120736046
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2120246456

when will they learn

Sinistcha does NOT learn taunt

[charred saddle]

sauce

[solid frigate]

the amount of people did not repsect Zoroark is just insane

[molten oasis]

Found a 3 attack caly ice

CTS is fun

[strange fjord]

This Sinitcha just outspeed the turtle and used taunt? Def not a Zoroark.

[strange fjord]

it sure is something alright

[willow vault]

Because they deserve the bo1 experience

[next stump]

Not sure if this was shared already, but this is the winrate of restricteds into other restricteds at Stockholm

[mighty stump]

CSR seems pretty ok into the Zamas

[solid frigate]

Damn Terapagos did not feel so good against most of them

[bold geode]

The Zamazenta vs Miraidon is a bit interesting

[molten oasis]

I’m 31-13 with this account most of them being from this banded lando team

[solid frigate]

damn

[molten oasis]

It is CTS admittedly

[craggy dagger]

no lugia

[strange fjord]

we can run wacky teams on CTS and its fun.

[solid frigate]

Terapaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

(Yes i lost braincells try to think if my team needs Chi Yu-

https://pokepast.es/c737bf76d73af95f

[willow vault]

I’m curious why av on incin instead of on Rilla?

[solid frigate]

just want to become bulky incin

[willow vault]

Oh ok

[solid frigate]

but i might change into Chi Yu and problem is,idk if this team needs any fixing

[willow vault]

Does it feel strong?

[solid frigate]

it does feel strong

[willow vault]

So why change it?

[solid frigate]

base team that is

[solid frigate]

idk maybe more offense?

you can try fight my team if you want

[willow vault]

Oh that’s upsetting so just lost on an origin pulse roll

[solid frigate]

Damn

[willow vault]

Raging bolt live on 1% and then killed my fari so they thunder clapped me next turn

[solid frigate]

damn

anyways wanna BO3

[craggy dagger]

pagos?

[willow vault]

Could have played better but I left myself open to lose so it’s my bad

[solid frigate]

Y E S

[solid frigate]

true

[molten oasis]

Well, I’m playing to see what works

[willow vault]

They just threw the game by calm minding we take those

[craggy dagger]

terapagos the galapagos giant tortoise

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123211551 anyway beat up another shadow rider

[solid frigate]

anyways i need some practice, anyone want B03?

[willow vault]

Sure

[solid frigate]

aight

[willow vault]

Showdown name is cr3phace

[solid frigate]

done

[molten oasis]

May I watch

@solid frigate

[solid frigate]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2123215086

honestly

[willow vault]

gg’s

[solid frigate]

not bad for a return

[molten oasis]

Fun games

[willow vault]

That first game crit on Rilla was so disgusting

[solid frigate]

thats so unecessary lol

[willow vault]

It really was

[solid frigate]

Incin is useless in this MU so i did not bring it

[molten oasis]

Why did you tailwind infront of a Fari

[solid frigate]

i fucked up

[willow vault]

Game 1, since the I forgot to let spectators in for the first match: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2123213604

[willow vault]

fun games though, terapagos always scary

[solid frigate]

i am fine with the result

its not bad

[willow vault]

They were very close games

[solid frigate]

first match is not lol

ah yes Caly Ice.

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123220284

AV CALY ICE WHAT

[balmy glen]

moment

[dawn crown]

do i run tera ice or electric on regileki

[willow vault]

Looking back at the game it was because of a pinch, if they don’t tailwind torn kills the rillaboom making Kyogre very safe if tailwind is used I get a free trick room, it was likely a lose lose situation

[willow vault]

Either are good, if your running Tera blast ice is really nice to hit ground types

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123220284
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123223265
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123226276

AV Caly Ice wtf

[chrome knot]

why are you using cress

[solid frigate]

because yes

And its actually pretty nice on the team

[chrome knot]

clicked buttons that fit on a much better mon

[mighty stump]

Koraidon blows cock omg

[chrome knot]

damn didnt know he swung like that

[mighty stump]

I hate it here

[solid frigate]

what the he-

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

What u wan

[chrome knot]

i was in ursh + fungus end game vs zamazenta but cc still had higher rolls and if zama cleared fungus I was in for this level calc bruh

+3 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. -6 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Single Strike: 1482-1746 (846.8 - 997.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

LOL

I think it's a roll

[chrome knot]

ursh woulda just exploded

[mighty stump]

No I think it's a roll

[solid frigate]

Did bro spammed CC like too much-

[mighty stump]

#playtoyourouts

[solid frigate]

is that Urshifu like Choiced

[chrome knot]

sash

@ +3 defense cc still has a higher roll than wicked blow

[solid frigate]

how did it survive that long to click 6 Close Combat-

[chrome knot]

ITS +3 DEFENSE VS -1 ATK URSH LOL

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[chrome knot]

and its ZAMAZENTA that thing is a tank

it was legit hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[solid frigate]

lmao

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123222380-1rzky1kzfzu60hn63sjwe5u5v7boib5pw

[solid frigate]

and thats why you don't spam CC

[chrome knot]

meh I won bc fungus was there

[solid frigate]

tru

[chrome knot]

my out was spam cc bc it had the higher rolls

[solid frigate]

i am interested on the Tera Dark Pelipper

for prankster Taunts?

[solid frigate]

this should be a fucking meme

[chrome knot]

i woulda laughed so hard if ursh got nuked tbh

[solid frigate]

lol

[chrome knot]

amoonguss won once he got to like 23%

[solid frigate]

Urshifu in a Mood rn

[solid frigate]

i still love this moment

you can't even see the cleffa

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

[torn parrot]

Now where’s perish song

[solid frigate]

[torn parrot]

OMG

DOGGO WON??

[solid frigate]

yep

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[solid frigate]

Terapagos got Second,Again

[torn parrot]

Do u think people will stop running iron defense because of this

[solid frigate]

idk

i am in agony of Terapagos lost twice in major Regionals-

in the finals no less but at least it beats Honse

[bold geode]

Some will, some won't

[torn parrot]

For sure

It’s just so much fun tho

This is soooooooooooo surprising wtf

[solid frigate]

yeah these might be the main 9 Restricted Legendaries

[torn parrot]

I bet you I bet you I fucking bet you

There’s a decent chance that the employees who made terapagos don’t know how stellar works so they didn’t know star storm would lose stab

I bet you they were like haha stellar type pokemon stellar type move

[bold geode]

It don't

[solid frigate]

idk why the fuck it does not get STAB boost

LIKE WHY

[bold geode]

Tera Starstorm iirc doesn't lose STAB

[solid frigate]

[solid frigate]

its somehow weaker than normal Tera Starstorm

[mighty stump]

Such damage

[mighty stump]

X

[bold geode]

Oh it don't

Keeps tera boost, but not 2x boost

[solid frigate]

Normal Tera Starstorm 33.8 - 40.5%
Stellar Tera Starstorm 23.6 - 28.5%

[bold geode]

That turtle is so complex so

[mighty stump]

Its only 1.2x, you lose STAB

Someone didnt read my follow up post

smh

[solid frigate]

[torn parrot]

It’s the same guys who didn’t give zama body press and gave expanding force to the lake trio

Smarty game freak

[bold geode]

I did
Just keeping every bit of info is a lot for my smooth brain

[torn parrot]

🧠

[solid frigate]

i need to cope for need to Calm Mind first to get the Intended STAB

[bold geode]

Y'know
I'm sort of curious about double restricted just how Pagos will fare

[solid frigate]

i honestly don't know

it can't really pair that well with Korai,Mirai,Kyogre and Groudon

[torn parrot]

Zamazenta + calyrex shadow will be so disgusting

[solid frigate]

i thought about Lunala Terapagos just so it can at least beat Koraidon

[torn parrot]

Wide guard and dark/normal type killing support

[bold geode]

That or Zamazenta Ogre

[solid frigate]

this is a uno reverse card

VGC 2022 is Caly S and Zacian,now its opposite lol

Caly Ice and Zama are better than the counterparts now lol

[solid frigate]

i'll proably think of Lunala Terapagos once 2 restricted showed up

[bold geode]

That's the only pair I can think of

[solid frigate]

tbf it looks very opressive

mine is just want to survive

[lofty tartan]

Dialga and Ice Rider is something I'll give a shot to in double restricted. See how it plays out this gen

[mighty stump]

I think Miraidon/Ice Rider almost makes perfect sense

[lofty tartan]

Yeah?

I can see that

Keeps Tera free vs Amoonguss. Always a plus

[mighty stump]

More like

Ice covers Grass

Rilla/Amoonguss

And Ground-types

So basically you have 0 switch in

[lofty tartan]

Of course. I'm just looking at the other ways it can synergize too.

🙂

[rustic mountain]

waterpon as ur grass type?

me bringing back csr zacian only to find zacian is still mid in double restricted:

[elder python]

should i run speed investment in primarina

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 730: Primarina

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Torrent, Liquid Voice (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/74/74/126/116/60

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

I don’t think so

[solid frigate]

yeah Primarina is built to be a bulky sweeping machine

Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 92 HP / 60 Def / 252 SpA / 104 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

Don't question why

[mighty stump]

Wasted EVs

[solid frigate]

yes and thats why i never use it again

but then again

i did not build it in SV

[abstract quest]

Zamazenta is the best legendary in vgc now let’s gooo

[solid frigate]

not exactly

there are 5 Pokemon who won an Event in Regulation G

[abstract quest]

I found a statistic

[solid frigate]

ik ik

[abstract quest]

It’s 25%

[solid frigate]

its Usage

Not Best Legendary

[abstract quest]

Who do u think is the best legend then?

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Ice has 33% usage in Indianapolis and Miraidon and Terapagos stopped them

[dawn crown]

It’s better than having calyrex as number 1

[solid frigate]

its still subjective

[abstract quest]

Yep

[abstract quest]

Just chose one

[dawn crown]

Cosmos

Cosmog

[abstract quest]

haha very funny

[solid frigate]

rn 5 Restricted Pokemon have won events

Miraidon,Koraidon,Terapagos,Zamazenta and Caly Ice won one

[dawn crown]

Let’s go no caly shadow

[abstract quest]

koraidon when?

[solid frigate]

as much as i like Terapagos,Caly Ice or Miraidon is just more opressive

either in Argentina,Colombia and Puerto Rico

[abstract quest]

Ah

[dawn crown]

What were the 5 events I only know of Indianapolis and the one today

[abstract quest]

Yep

[solid frigate]

its more lesser since its not regional

[abstract quest]

I’m happy Terapagos won one my boy

[solid frigate]

but if i gonna choose,its a tie between Miraidon and Calyrex Ice Rider

[abstract quest]

I can agree with the second but not the first

[solid frigate]

Have you see how much Choice Specs Miraidon can do

[abstract quest]

Yep

I’ve faced it and won easily

[dawn crown]

I think it can ohko non assault vest rilla 😭

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Helping Hand Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Electric Terrain: 208-245 (102.9 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

lemme guess.

Quark Spam?

[dawn crown]

😭

[solid frigate]

yep.

[abstract quest]

Nope Flutter Mane and Rillaboom

[solid frigate]

Ok they don't know how to Teambuild

[dawn crown]

Rillaboom???

[solid frigate]

Miraidon and Rillaboom are not compatible in Teambuild

[dawn crown]

Lmao

[abstract quest]

It was the regional winning team I was using flutter and rillaboom

[solid frigate]

bad piloting

[abstract quest]

kinda

[solid frigate]

if you know how to pilot it,Miraidon is oppressive

[abstract quest]

I faced Tera fairy Miraidon that was scary

[solid frigate]

i don't think people would run that after Rajan Bal won with Specs Tera Electric Miraidon

[abstract quest]

Tera Electric is easy for me to face but fairy screwed me ober

[dawn crown]

Quick question would lunala do better in a duo restricted format

[next stump]

lunala is definitely stronger with another restricted

[solid frigate]

it would,its utility and bulk is important to make it good

[solid frigate]

the utility in very good, plus the bulk is very nice

[solid frigate]

which restricted?

and team btw

[abstract quest]

Miraidon

[solid frigate]

i mean your Restricted Option

[abstract quest]

hang on I’ll give it later

Terapagos

[dawn crown]

I love terapagos but even with tera sheel it feels to frail sometimes

[solid frigate]

it depends on the set

Pneuma (Terapagos-Terastal) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 132 SpA / 12 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Earth Power
• Protect

I use this

[dawn crown]

why clear amulet over cloak

[solid frigate]

Parting Shot,Eerie Impulse,Icy Wind

Plus i have Torn.

And yes the Terapagos team is in Rental to explain better

sure it Both Icy Winds effect gets negeated by both Items,but I do not want to see my turtle boi's stats lower

anyways

[willow vault]

finally got out of the 1150-1200 elo, Specs-Kyogre is so good thank the lord

[solid frigate]

[willow vault]

It with banded Urshifu-Single Strike and regieleki carried me to 1400, also farigiraf is the goat

[solid frigate]

Yep Farigiraf is very good on Kyogre

[deep timber]

What are the pros and cons to using Ting-Lu in the current format?

[solid frigate]

its mostly a Supporting Pokemon, Its super tanky with Assault Vest and good Proper Physical Bulk

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1003: Ting-Lu

Types

Dark/Ground

Abilities

Vessel of Ruin

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

155/110/125/55/80/45

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[mighty stump]

Ting can feel very passive and os threatened by a lot of the Restricteds

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123343954
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123346111
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123347893

First time testing Dawn Wings

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123353587

Bro Forfeited-

[bold geode]

It's a good day

[solid frigate]

damn

[solid frigate]

Zamazenta:I love Democracy

[foggy lodge]

I hate CTS

[solid frigate]

who doesn't besides Gimmick teams

[rustic mountain]

good time to bring this back

[gentle crag]

treeco. (ID 669294124649676800)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
sees zama won
oh god help us

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · May 12, 2024, 4:00 PM

[rustic mountain]

gna have to see monke posting zama stuff for like 2 weeks now

[solid frigate]

lmao

anyways time to cook Dawn Wings Necrozma

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-right-youre-right-gif-15444576

[solid frigate]

somehow i take it back for i am fine for Zamazenta to win but whatever

[bold geode]

I need to get a Zacian

[rustic mountain]

y

[bold geode]

Just cuz

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i need to ask someone to get another Kubfu-

[bold geode]

Just to have in the bank lol

I'm wanting to try all the restricted

[rustic mountain]

u didnt play swsh at all right?

[solid frigate]

relatable

[bold geode]

Nope
But I heard it was busted then

I technically tried it earlier

[rustic mountain]

oh yea gen 8 zacian was a monster lol

[mighty stump]

Buying Shield cuz it was cooler rlly did pay off in the long run

[rustic mountain]

tru

[bold geode]

Hey did you see what Rajan said about his spreads?

[rustic mountain]

did his team report come out

[bold geode]

No, but he posted on Twitter about winning, and someone asked him

[rustic mountain]

ah

[bold geode]

So he said his spreads were either 4/252/252 or vibes lmao

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

And I'm guessing that his Incineroar and Farigiraf are probably the only 2 that aren't max max

[solid frigate]

wait not even BM?

[rustic mountain]

think he had turbo bm

[bold geode]

But he did confirm that Miraidon was Modest

[rustic mountain]

yea

knew that

[balmy glen]

hope so

[rustic mountain]

keanu wants all the zama content posted haha

[balmy glen]

I did my job

[rustic mountain]

tru

[balmy glen]

now it’s over for Zama users as I’m c teaming my own team

[rustic mountain]

must b cool to see it continue to do well

haha its only right

[solid frigate]

i still need to think of it

[solid frigate]

I am so livid on those miss lol

But still glad your team made Glory

[rustic mountain]

the con of running inaccurate moves

[solid frigate]

yep agree

if those connect,at least still have a FIghting chance

[rustic mountain]

if overheat connects he won that game

but yea, jus how it goes

[balmy glen]

happens

[solid frigate]

uyeah

[balmy glen]

tbh with how high lvl a lot of the top players are sometimes just a little bit a luck is the difference

[rustic mountain]

yea

[solid frigate]

Cybertron as good example

[rustic mountain]

part of the game, every good/winning run has some kind of luck involved. jus gna happen over so many games/sets

u try nd minimize it the best u can but sometimes u cant

[mighty stump]

I mean wtf else are you supposes to build half that team is guaranteed 252 spreads

Youre just maximising the things the mon is supposed to do

[balmy glen]

^

[solid frigate]

time to cook some shit

[foggy lodge]

i hate Amoonguss

I hate sleep in general

Lost because my oponnent had just 1 turn of sleep

[solid frigate]

F

[bold geode]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

but yeah Sleep is Annoying but taunt exists

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/homie-shower-gotchu-sneaky-gif-13813267

[solid frigate]

Taunts,Safety Googles(Yes imma name it Googles)

[bold geode]

We glaze LOVE Zamazenta in these woods

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Bro plz no
Just as I was copying your swag

[balmy glen]

LOL

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Lemme have fun first man c'mon

[balmy glen]

I need to qualify for worlds sorry

[bold geode]

True though

[balmy glen]

I’ll beat Zamas butt then bring it to worlds

One of the storylines of all time

[bold geode]

Counter Zama then bring the Zama like
"Now I actually say fuck that and counter my own counter"
Bring that Steph Curry type of vibe

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Only one who can break my records is me bro

[solid frigate]

i love this Optimism and confidence

[bold geode]

Is copium confidence now?

[solid frigate]

if you think your confidence is like that then no

[foggy lodge]

okay personal opinion but i just can't like tera grass on Caly-Ice

I get that it helps against things like Amoonguss but considering how bulky Caly-Ice is i don't feel like it gives you so much benefits

[solid frigate]

fair point

[cyan smelt]

I don't know what tera to use for rotom w but ig I shouldn't be teraing it anyway

[shadow wind]

Depending on the moveset I would say Tera water or electric.

Just having that little bit more juice could help in end game situations.

And also Tera electric makes it have 0 weaknesses.

Besides mold breaker but that’s niche.

[cyan smelt]

Just standard hydro pump, tbolt, wisp, protect, might go tera water

[shadow wind]

Tera water would probably be good.

Have you thought about volt switch?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah would be nice for pivoting

[shadow wind]

Wisp then volt switch out.

[cyan smelt]

Might get rid of protect then

[mighty stump]

I don't think Tera-Water/Electric is really great here

[strange fjord]

electric tera isnt too bad since you'd literally have no weaknesses and boosts damage for volt switch

[mighty stump]

Getting rid of weaknesses isn't an amazing strength if so many powerful neutrals exist

[shadow wind]

Tera normal‼️‼️

Wait.

Rotom W literally destroys Caly ice.

[mighty stump]

Would only be relevant against Astral Barrage but you don't do anything much back.

[cyan smelt]

I wouldn't want rotom w in against caly s anyway

[strange fjord]

any tera recommendations?

[rustic mountain]

tera dont run rotom w

[mighty stump]

Tera-Wise, correct choices would probably be Grass/Steel

Or something

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I have tera grass on it

[mighty stump]

General defensive teras like Fairy/Poison are also fine

Mainly for the Grass weakness

So Grass/Steel/Poison

[cyan smelt]

Steel would be good actually since I'd be immune to hhp

[mighty stump]

I mean the typing is advantageous into Gholdengo MIR/CIR/Peli

[rustic mountain]

yea jus stat wise is it enough to do wat u need it to

[mighty stump]

4HKO from Caly-I/6HKO post Wisp

You just outspeed Pelipper

[cyan smelt]

I only bring it if I see cir

[rustic mountain]

yea i mean i jus havent seen enough of it tbh. jus feels like it wont hold to the power level rn but maybe im wrong

[mighty stump]

Pelipper also 3HKO

[rustic mountain]

i liked it in swsh for a time

[mighty stump]

I mean yeah

But its one of those things that you don't know if you try, and the reasoning holds for that MU

Im running Curselax for the same MU

[rustic mountain]

yea fair enough

[mighty stump]

So far theory-wise and execution it checks out

[rustic mountain]

wat team placement is it on? like wat teams is it finding a place on

[mighty stump]

mine

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

but in theory

https://pokepast.es/204ebcba0a76a4f9

[rustic mountain]

oh i meant rotom w

[cyan smelt]

Curselax with thick fat or gluttony?

[mighty stump]

Thick Fat is superior

[cyan smelt]

I'm running it with Zama and rilla

[rustic mountain]

calm mind ogre seems intriguing

[mighty stump]

Ive been playing all my CIR matches without my restricted lol

[rustic mountain]

haha

[mighty stump]

I have 0 Miraidon MU

Well

Not really 0

But eh

[rustic mountain]

triple fake out

[mighty stump]

yep

[rustic mountain]

yea miraidon seems like itd b tricky

[mighty stump]

Ghost Curselax also is for Zamas

So I can just play DoT

[rustic mountain]

yea

[mighty stump]

• Gholdengo walls

[cyan smelt]

I'm hesitant about clicking fake out into Mirai with encore whims

[rustic mountain]

heavy slam isnt doing much

[rustic mountain]

dont those teams also have giraffe

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

also thats the point

its supposed to de incentivize u to click fo

[mighty stump]

0 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Heavy Slam (40 BP) vs. 164 HP / 252+ Def Snorlax: 25-31 (9.7 - 12.1%) -- possible 9HKO

rip

[rustic mountain]

holy shit lmao

[mighty stump]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Heavy Slam (40 BP) vs. 164 HP / 252+ Def Snorlax: 42-49 (16.4 - 19.1%) -- possible 6HKO 20% at most

not even

who runs this

[rustic mountain]

yea

[mighty stump]

Basically after 2 Curses

[rustic mountain]

idk any1 running max atk zama lol

[mighty stump]

I can safely Tera Ghost

Since Heavy Slam wont outdo Lefties

[cyan smelt]

Fo immune too, nice

[mighty stump]

BPress retains some form of chip

[rustic mountain]

wats ur 4 into cir? lax, incin, gholdengo grimm?

[mighty stump]

first 4

depends

I usualyl switch it up

[rustic mountain]

oh rilla over gholdengo

[mighty stump]

Sometimes its Lax/Ghold depending on what I expect their adjustment to be

[rustic mountain]

yea

[mighty stump]

Like I bring one or the other

[rustic mountain]

yea ogre just feels bad into that mu

[mighty stump]

Its ok into the MU

Just dont want the Rain

Others brought more value overall

[rustic mountain]

water tera caly, amoongus, bolt, just seems hard to get good value out of it consistently

also wide guard peli

[mighty stump]

yeah but after CM you can just spam Ice Beams

[rustic mountain]

thats tru

[mighty stump]

Kyogre was honestly a slap on

I wanted some fat CMmon

and didnt want Terapagos

I could technically go Terapagos

[rustic mountain]

u could

[mighty stump]

time to run Giratina

I considered Necrozma DW

or Lunala

for my CM mon

[rustic mountain]

i think ogre makes sense tho nd does synergrize w/ rilla and gholdengo and supports itself with rain

those could also work. idk bout dw

i think some1 was doing well w/ it on sd but im not sure it does enough

[mighty stump]

ok well scratch Dawn Wings cause it doesnt get Fairy moves

[rustic mountain]

lunala is gna b really solid in dual restricted

[mighty stump]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

top 8 in stockholm kinda boring, just 4 team archetypes and some have slight variations

csr fraud watch on high alert

koraidon too

[cyan smelt]

Am I gonna have to watch out for lax as a Zama answer

[mighty stump]

I think CSR is still good

[rustic mountain]

so do i just funny/interesting it has not gotten top cut yet

[solid frigate]

like not even a single event made it to Top cut?

[rustic mountain]

i think in one of the special events it got it

[solid frigate]

fair enough

[rustic mountain]

yea the teams arent public yet afaik but terapagos won one of them and koraidon won the other and iirc one of em had csr in the top 8

[solid frigate]

I am happy Terapagos won one

[rustic mountain]

its gotten close at indy and stockholm

[solid frigate]

all the gen 9 restricted Legendary should won one

All of them are strong

[solid frigate]

Which is sad,buy i'm fine it got second

[rustic mountain]

better then not making top cut

[solid frigate]

well... Until Monke posting Zama Post

[rustic mountain]

lol

[solid frigate]

I think Kyogre and Groudon also made it top cut in events right?

we know Kyogre did

[rustic mountain]

kyogre has yea idk bout gmoney

[solid frigate]

Oh Argentina has Lunala and Caly S

qnd 3 Terapagos

[timber falcon]

does calm mind bolt run protect?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[timber falcon]

so tclap and pulse?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[timber falcon]

aight

[solid frigate]

Dawn Wings got Progress

[molten oasis]

first game back already fucking losing to just torn ho, yay

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2123353587

I swear i made them rage af

[timber falcon]

oh my

[solid frigate]

DAMN.

Bro become Alain's Charizard

[timber falcon]

best BELIVE that zard was KOd next turn lmao

cant have that

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[solid frigate]

also Urshifu Dark Feels Eggcellent on Dawn Wings

[timber falcon]

in what way?

[molten oasis]

tera ground tera blast caly, fun

[timber falcon]

vacuum wave BM ursaluna

incin shouldve killed with knock and won me the game

[solid frigate]

Pressuring Fari

but yeah it just feels good on the team

[timber falcon]

makes sense, very powerful and threatnint phsysical attacker

[solid frigate]

i did not even bring Chi Yu Lol

[timber falcon]

i think i gotta remake koraidon team'

it just isnt getting consistent results, ill try a sunny team

[timber falcon]

chi-yu is there too nice, team is looking solid

[solid frigate]

yeah

Indeedee is nice to have

and Dawn Wings+EF+TR+Terrain is very Opressive

[timber falcon]

i almost lost against it like 3 games ago

i can confirm that

[cyan smelt]

What's your current team otot?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/8f29dfad40220d6e#

it was that which ill be remaking after a while

[solid frigate]

my team seems to be more better in MU wise

[timber falcon]

yes thats the problem

[solid frigate]

but quality is more better on yours

https://pokepast.es/219915dabd811227

[timber falcon]

i have worse MUs on that team in general, too many for me to deal with

so ill be remaking it to deal with said MUs better, especially tr

[solid frigate]

yeah you have 4 mons very weak to Dawn Wings

at least my dawn wings

[timber falcon]

not even moongus is enough to help me in tr

and farig just dies

[solid frigate]

Yeah TR Dawn Wings and Urshifu just wipes them

[timber falcon]

i actually wanna see how the team functions nlg

up for a bo3?

[solid frigate]

sure

[timber falcon]

itll be a team thats completed (lunala) btw

user?

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

[south shuttle]

What is a good speed tier to pass in vgc?

Idk level 50 speed tiers

[coral moat]

Anyone 1v1 Scarlet Violet?

[timber falcon]

i like the team

[solid frigate]

damn

yeah but very hard TR

[timber falcon]

205 id say

is one of the top ones

135 base

[south shuttle]

So max speed flutter is best to run?

[timber falcon]

depends on the set

not needed if its speed booster

[south shuttle]

Alr

[solid frigate]

also like My team is just Very Hard TR

[timber falcon]

u didnt use it once though

never even brought moongus

[cyan smelt]

Amogus

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-gif-2558655191726498734

[solid frigate]

yeah i was afraid plus i am not as good with TR than Tailwind

[timber falcon]

i think if its is hard tr, its better to have a setter thats not indeedee ngl

at least have 2

[solid frigate]

i am thinking on the other

hmmmmmm

maybe i can try TR Necrozma

[timber falcon]

oh the classic liligant torkoal lol

never thought of specs

[solid frigate]

yeah

i think i might stick with my team

[cyan smelt]

I prefer charcoal on torkoal

[solid frigate]

fair

[south shuttle]

Why does Torkoal have 3 fire moves

[solid frigate]

idk ask the guy who made it

[south shuttle]

Maybe to avoid flash fire?

Heatran

[solid frigate]

maybe

[south shuttle]

But no solar beam or rapid spin kinda sucks

[solid frigate]

i would just ran Eruption,Heat Wave,Earth Power and Protect

[south shuttle]

Ur specs

[cyan smelt]

That set is pretty standard for torkoal

Weather ball is interesting, if they switch in pelipper you won't be walled

[solid frigate]

not specs-

[south shuttle]

But you can’t switch moves because the torkoal is specs

[south shuttle]

Look at the item

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but whatever move you choose will be powerful

[solid frigate]

I don't USE SPECS TORKAL

[cyan smelt]

I'm sensing a theme with the pokemon you like to use

[solid frigate]

i did not even use Torkal or Blastoise-

[cyan smelt]

Tortle

[solid frigate]

Tortol

[craggy dagger]

use specs terapagos the galapagos giant tortoise

[solid frigate]

I am kinda stuck with CACM Terapagos

[craggy dagger]

but imagine how cool terapagos the galapagos giant tortoise would look-
with the specs glasses compared to some lame amulet
this is a joke please don’t murder me-

[abstract quest]

hi

[craggy dagger]

tbh both have their goods and bads though i’m not too sure how cacm pagos would play

[craggy dagger]

hello

[abstract quest]

What we talking about?

[solid frigate]

its just Calm Mind Terapagos

but I added Amulet for Blocking Parting Shots

[craggy dagger]

oh

imo lefties would do better no?
gets your tera shell up

[solid frigate]

i have two heal mons plus i am just paranoid of Stat drops on turtle

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[abstract quest]

Specs Terapagos is fun

[solid frigate]

its makes Terapagos can Tank Electro Drifts

[craggy dagger]

a spdef drop???

[solid frigate]

it would not

Clear Amulet Prevents it

[molten oasis]

Specs terapagos is just the thing

Ig

And I kinda hate it

[solid frigate]

i just don't like Specs Terapagos,it forfieted too much bulk on it

Unless Bulky Specs,but i hate that as well

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. +2 252 HP / 12 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Electric Terrain: 70-83 (34.6 - 41%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

If they let me Set up that is

[craggy dagger]

but CA-

wouldn’t do anything to Spdef stuff

since it’s mostly atk spatk drops right?

[dapper crag]

Item: Clear Amulet

Prevents other Pokemon from lowering the holder's stat stages.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

what i mean to say is not many pokemon run Spdef dropping moves

fake tears flutter was a thing iirc

but that’s it…?

[solid frigate]

And Grimmsnarl

[craggy dagger]

oh?

[solid frigate]

but if i use Covert Cloak, i will still get the SpD Drop cuz Fake Tears Primary effect is Lower SpD

and Cloak protects from Secondary Effect

[craggy dagger]

i doubt that there’s a lot of fake tears

[solid frigate]

it would not

[dapper crag]

Move: Moonblast

Has a 30% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

95

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[solid frigate]

plus i have Tornadus with Covert Cloak

so yeah

[unborn spade]

In an anything goes with no legendaries ruleset is a Baton Pass team the most toxic thing you could build? I have a rare opportunity and I want to make my friends suffer lol

I'm trying to decide between something like an Espartha Baton Pass team or something that relies on terrible moves like shed tail and moody.

[foggy lodge]

Whimsigod

[craggy dagger]

i mean-
most run encore protect tw moonblast

[foggy lodge]

I've seen some Whimsicott running Fake tears in cores of Terapagos Chi-Yu

[craggy dagger]

ofc

i used to use fluffy fake tears with regidrago

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott the GOAT

[south shuttle]

Is sogaleo a good restricted tank

I’m using it on my team

[solid frigate]

nope its one of the more weaker restricted

[cyan smelt]

Tortol

[molten oasis]

i suck, i just suck man

now with zama picking up im losing every fucking game to the same shit

incin ruins my life, fuck this man

[cyan smelt]

Put a strong ghost type or tera on your team

[molten oasis]

that doesnt stop INTIMIDATE

which is THE MAIN ISSUE I HAVE WITH IT

[cyan smelt]

Hmmmm

[molten oasis]

and i dont have any excuses to make i just suck

everyone magically gets all their outs while when i try for my out no, i just lose

all you need is to bring incin in, fake out, parting shot, swtich back in, and i lose

[cyan smelt]

Didn't a zacian team day 2 Stockholm? You could look at what they did?

[molten oasis]

ok make sure they have rillaboom too

so that way i cant do anything the whole game

[vestal elk]

yo

[cyan smelt]

Here's kasty's team https://pokepast.es/14841a9bb521f7d2

[vestal elk]

yo dint like pelliper fall off??

[molten oasis]

great now im gonna lose to a fucking agility ice rider

[cyan smelt]

No pelipper is stronger than ever

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[vestal elk]

ohh

[harsh depot]

I'm new to competitive, but I had a Ranked VGC battle today where a guy used a Tera Psychic Mewtwo and Indeedee. I beat him cause Shadow Rider Calyrex outsped the Mewtwo. Is that normal?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[harsh depot]

Stupid question probably, sorry if so

[cyan smelt]

Wide guard is invaluable with spread moves everywhere

[rustic mountain]

csr is really fast

[vestal elk]

csr is mad fast

[harsh depot]

I see. Makes sense. The guy I battled Terrastillized his Mewtwo turn 1 and it kinda seemed like he expected it to nuke everything

[vestal elk]

i havent seen a mewtwo team in a while tbh but idont watch much

[harsh depot]

His Mewtwo got one-shotted by an unboosted Astral Barrage

[cyan smelt]

Mewtwo has been very powercrept

[vestal elk]

ye