competitive_discussion

[elder python]

rats

[solid frigate]

dude we all play Doubles(Mostly),Plus Tier list are wack

[atomic mural]

yeah tierlists are just so obvious in this meta. (araquanid on top everytime) (its the goat)

[cyan smelt]

Until pelipper uses hurricane on it

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-pelipper-flying-landing-gif-6607156613465239438

252+ SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 184 HP / 0 SpD Araquanid: 134-158 (80.7 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

Or Archaludon Electro Shots it

[cyan smelt]

Or raging bolt thunderbolts it

[elder python]

mebe i should play doubles

but my fav pokemon arnt good in doubles

[knotty briar]

I tend to rely on trick room in doubles

Hell, this team brought me to master ball tier a couple days ago

[gentle delta]

WHy would you use physical Ursaluna when you have Calyrex already.

Should defo be blood moon even when considering the synergy with cress

[dull ibex]

Calm mind terap is fun

[solid frigate]

[dull ibex]

I'm based

[solid frigate]

CM Terapagos Users:Based

[dull ibex]

True

[calm narwhal]

Hey guys how would I ever get outsped if calyrex ice in no trick room

I am lost they did this pledge move

With Kyogre

[solid frigate]

Kyogre is 90 Speed,sometimes run Scarf,Calyrex Ice Rider is 50 speed right?

and what Peldge Move? is it just solo Pledge or 2 Pledges

[elder python]

when does ditto imposter ability not work? I sent ditto in and the opponent had a substitute and it didn’t copy them?

[solid frigate]

In Double Battles, Triple Battles, and Battle Royals, Imposter will target the opponent in the position directly opposite it. If there is no opponent directly opposite it, it will not transform. In Horde Encounters, Imposter will copy the opponent in the right-most position. If the opponent of a Tera Raid Battle has Imposter, it will transform into the host's Pokémon.

Imposter will not activate if the opponent is transformed, is disguised with Illusion, is behind a substitute, or is a Starmobile. Imposter only activates when the Pokémon with the Ability is sent out; if it fails to transform into an opponent, it will not activate unless the Pokémon with Imposter is withdrawn and sent out again. Imposter will also not activate when obtained during battle.

[elder python]

k ty

[gentle crag]

boidudeman has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

i think Stellar Form Terapagos does not get transformed by Ditto as well,or that just me,i haven't test it out

[elder python]

anyone know if ditto is good for single stadium ranked?

[cyan smelt]

thinking bout running quick claw sheer cold dewgong just for the lols

[craggy dagger]

entrainment no guard

skill swap

@north pagoda wanna explain that team

[mighty stump]

Just run the Biei 6

[north pagoda]

[dull ibex]

Vc? 👀

[mighty stump]

im abt to go out

[dull ibex]

Man I just threw hard

OK nvm he's dumb

[cyan smelt]

replay?

[dull ibex]

I'm on cart

[cyan smelt]

oh

[dull ibex]

I can feasibly hit a decent rank in masters

I'm in ultra with 10 - 1 now

[cyan smelt]

nice

I'm considering running rotom heat to deal with caly i

[dull ibex]

im not sure caly ice is strong enough to need to run a rotom in restricted

im not sure rotom heat can deal with ice rider

surely you can just tweak an incin to ohko it

[cyan smelt]

Overheat can deal with it

[dull ibex]

rotom heat is bad

is my point, if you want overheat chi-yu does more there

[cyan smelt]

Chi yu gets ohkoed by high horsepower

[dull ibex]

then dont be in trickroom

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2121050983

I think im okay at the game, granted its low ladder

im not sure when I bring darkshifu or waterpon

[cyan smelt]

Koraidon is pretty scary

[mighty stump]

cough

[dull ibex]

What

[dull ibex]

Hm.

[mighty stump]

no way

[dull ibex]

Really?

[cyan smelt]

It's too bulky

[mighty stump]

Aso Rotom-Wash might not be a terrible idea

Maybe not Heat, cause of Pelipper

[cyan smelt]

True rotom wash

Just don't know what it can do to tera grass caly i

[mighty stump]

252+ Atk burned Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Wash: 23-28 (14.6 - 17.8%) -- possible 6HKO

[cyan smelt]

Ok that's a nice calc

[mighty stump]

You can basically guarantee a 4HKO on standard bulk, threaten Peli

[cyan smelt]

And it's good against that tera ground farig that's been floating around

Wait does tera blast ground still affect rotom

[dull ibex]

Did I mention I am finally back in ultra

[cyan smelt]

Grats

[mighty stump]

no

[cyan smelt]

Amazing

[mighty stump]

although farig isnt the part u worry abt in that scenario

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Randoms on raids are not smart

[cyan smelt]

No they are not, they bring pokemon that are weak to the tera raid Pokemon's original typing

[molten oasis]

Yea, they’re not smart

No fucking way someone is taking a Malamar

It’s a 6* Tera normal dnite

[cyan smelt]

Does the dnite know extreme speed

[molten oasis]

Ok the Malamar carried lmao

[craggy dagger]

superpower contrary no?

[molten oasis]

He skill swapped so the ddances lowered the attack and speed

[elder python]

what’s are some of the best “restricted pokemon” in battle stadium singles and why?

[molten oasis]

And then I spammed swords dance with zacian and we had a hands

[craggy dagger]

smart

[cyan smelt]

Ok that's lit

[craggy dagger]

off the bat-
the two calyrexs-
reason being stats and spread 120 move that has no drawbacks…

[molten oasis]

Well, all that for a bottle cap

When I need to get herba mystica

[cyan smelt]

The tera raids channel usually has people hosting herba raids

[patent marsh]

Not much anymore

[cyan smelt]

There's a handy graphic of which mons drop herba too

[patent marsh]

Pocky does still but rn she got a shiny hoothoot raid

[molten oasis]

Not a mamoswine

[patent marsh]

Will have a lot when primarina raids is up

[craggy dagger]

prim doesn’t drop herbs though-

[cyan smelt]

Idk why they made the 7 star raids drop herba so late in the game's lifecycle

[molten oasis]

Mm, a magearna and a polteageist

[craggy dagger]

they drop herbas now?

[patent marsh]

Yea

[patent marsh]

Yep 3% for each one

[craggy dagger]

what-

looks like a lot of things changed since i last played

[patent marsh]

They're now the best raids to reroll for herba raids ye

Cause easy to spot and have highest chances for herbas

And since event raid period people usually build the support mons it's a pretty quick farm

But now it's also slow cause not as many people check event raids much

[molten oasis]

It has bulldoze

[craggy dagger]

makes sense

[cyan smelt]

At least primarina will be easy, steely spirit+ make it rain

[craggy dagger]

it gets shadow ball

[cyan smelt]

It's slower than gholdengo

3 X fake tears + make it rain

[molten oasis]

Smartest raid players

[craggy dagger]

oh is it-

[molten oasis]

3 steel types into this guy Kek

And then corv

[cyan smelt]

Which mon

[molten oasis]

tera fairy mamoswine

[cyan smelt]

Neat

[patent marsh]

Corv should be fine no? Just the zacian and zamazenta are ded

[molten oasis]

We got him 1 shot

[molten oasis]

Corv does 0 damage

[patent marsh]

Ah screeched?

Corv is a support mon in raids

It has screech fake tears

[molten oasis]

Yea, there is literally nothing that that mamoswine doesn’t hit for se

That is also good into fairy offensively

I don’t know shit about raids I just want herbas lol

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

I’m training a terapagos lol

And just spamming the shit out of calm mind and Tera starstorm

[solid frigate]

Ah yes,Galar Raid

[solid frigate]

[cyan smelt]

Terapagoat

[solid frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663757541343363073/1237764365361610874/dg64q81-54d1f474-fd1b-4916-bb58-a709e9fab1ba.gif

[molten oasis]

Someone brought a wake that died 5 times

[solid frigate]

bro is a troll

[molten oasis]

People are so stupid oml

Someone is bringing a belibolt to this

Into a mamoswine

[solid frigate]

F

[cyan smelt]

Jeez

[solid frigate]

the worst for me in the Tera Raid is that i forgot to give Lurantis the Moveset so i switch to Support and i never died once

[mighty stump]

What do@yoh mean I thought electric types resist the ground type

[molten oasis]

Lmao

If only

2 terapagos, a zacian is okay ig

and a kingambit

[solid frigate]

against?

[molten oasis]

The same Mon

[solid frigate]

oh ok

eh i mean its good enough

Me and my friends One shotting -6 Palkia wth Zacian +6 Play Rough:

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-and-the-black-knight-excalibur-excalibur-sonic-gif-26418060

[molten oasis]

We did it finally

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

MORE SPICY HERBA FUCK

[solid frigate]

F

ya need help for Tera Raids?

[mighty stump]

Belly Drum Ursaluna 😎

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[carmine dirge]

I have a question with ranked battles on the switch

[bold geode]

What be question

[bold geode]

I just Belly Drum Iron Hands kek

[carmine dirge]

So um how easy is it to break out of ultraball rank

In terms of wins / losses

Im trying to get into masterball rank last minute for the thing Im participating in and so far I'm just tethering in the rank

[bold geode]

Depends on player/what you go up against/what you're using

[shadow wind]

Ultra ball usually takes 6 wins to get out of I believe.

[carmine dirge]

Like 6 back to back wins?

[bold geode]

But if things go smoothly, 3-4 wins in a row usually seal it

[shadow wind]

6 unbroken wins in a row pretty much guarantees you to masterball.

[carmine dirge]

I noticed the jumps after a win isn't as huge compared to the lower ranks haha

But maybe it's cause of my opponent's

[bold geode]

I think 4 in a row from start of ultra to master is what you need

[shadow wind]

Nah, it takes more wins in the higher ranks.

[bold geode]

6 in a row is like from where you start in great after you get knocked from master at end of season

[shadow wind]

Oh right.

[mighty stump]

4 in a row is enough between Gball 9 + Uball

[bold geode]

If you're in ultra ball already, it takes 4 in a row
Trust me I know this lmao

[mighty stump]

from wherever the season sets you as the starting point if you were previously masterball

so like 1 in gball and 3 in ultraball

about difficulty of getting oht of ultraball

[bold geode]

Yeah but that's like no losses too right?

[mighty stump]

isnt difficult

[mighty stump]

i mean thats what in a row means

[mighty stump]

It shouldnt be difficult if you just stick to good fundamentals

rarely do you need to actually try to outplay someone

[bold geode]

Like if you lose once in ultra ball, it then takes 4 in a row again right?

[mighty stump]

Well yea

[bold geode]

Look Tofu I haven't woke up yet, gimme a minute lmao

[carmine dirge]

Ty for your words of wisdom

[mighty stump]

if ur brain tells u to do some stupid play

just do it

either it works out and you got something new to use

[carmine dirge]

Darn it I have to win 4 in a row

[mighty stump]

or it doesnt and you mnow not to do it

[carmine dirge]

So as for the team Im using

It's a non-leggie team cause it's the team I would using for a tourny Im in tomorrow

So these wins are probably not going to be easy, as is with the previous ranks before ultra

[shadow wind]

That would definitely be a lot more difficult than the average ladder climb.

[carmine dirge]

Yeah I just wanted to know what I am up against for masterball

[mighty stump]

probably, but a solid non-Reg G team can still beat other teams

legends are sometimes just like any other mon

so dont psych yourself out

[carmine dirge]

I can win as long as I can position myself well

But otherwise

[carmine dirge]

Thanks tofu

At the moment, getting to master ball would be a nice afterthought haha

[shadow wind]

And then you fight against the horses and my well crafted team explodes into a million pieces.

[mighty stump]

Depends on your definition of well-crafted

If it doesn’t have a good matchup against a common threat i’d argue it’s not within that category

[timber falcon]

Is it well crafted if it can’t answer the 2 most used restricted?

[mighty stump]

Overall pretty good testing on Bo3 ladder

CSR still good

30 sets

[timber falcon]

was there signs of csr falling off?

[bold geode]

So my dumbass brain actually has some sense behind it?

[mighty stump]

How good it is currently up for debate

[timber falcon]

oh so its not really falling off but being re-evaluated

[autumn vault]

I think CSR isn't amazing as it used to be because people over prepare for it

And obviously we discovered several ways to beat it

[mighty stump]

Still strong

[next stump]

Caly-Ice and Miraidon feel like the pokemon people have shifted their prep towards

which will help CSR

[elder python]

are hazards used in single stadium singles

[craggy dagger]

yes

[timber falcon]

man im tryna grind up elo with koriadon team but low ladder is just hell man

aqua jet masquerrain into a damn coalossal#

[craggy dagger]

😭

low elo is where gimmicks thrive

[timber falcon]

and i hate it so much

[craggy dagger]

lugia and her pals are struggling so much

[upbeat quail]

People have been bringing some really fucking weird teams on ladder lately.

I’m almost tempted to run some random bullshit and play the unpredictable factor

[craggy dagger]

how random-

i’m curious :0

[upbeat quail]

Someone brought a Tera ground coalossal.

Support annhialape

Scovillain and Groudon

I build my teams for OTS and it just seems like I’m at disadvantage when trying to climb ladder in game

[craggy dagger]

mines designed for OTS but it can be a cts team if you try hard enough

[upbeat quail]

What’s your team?

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/4226c3e8f5b64f0a

[upbeat quail]

Ohh

I saw something similar on stream at Indy over the weekend

[timber falcon]

yeah the team is based off it iicr

[upbeat quail]

I’ve been on a huge losing streak lately and idk if just not piloting the right team for me

It’s koraidon and I always feel like it’s a Tera hog

[autumn vault]

Koraidon is a Tera Hog because of sun + tera fire + flame charge/flare blitz, that combo can be super brutal to face
And i can't forget there are a lot of good Koraidon Teams and i can show some of mine if you like

I am building a Koraidon team rn so i can show what i have on that team

[upbeat quail]

Sure lemme see!

I’m basically using Luka’s from Indy right now

[craggy dagger]

yep

almost the same except for EVs and chi yu

[misty helm]

Do you guys think I can do well in the meta with any 6 Pokémon if I practice enough with said Pokémon

Granted fully evolved species

[next stump]

for VGC, probably not. You can probably pick one or two terrible pokemon and make them work, but not 6

[misty helm]

So what would you qualify as good do you think

[autumn vault]

Sorry for the late response, so far in my first team i have Koraidon Flutter Walking Wake Venusaur Chi-Yu Tornadus

And in the second team it isn't complete but i have Koraidon Flutter Bolt Venusaur Incineroar

[craggy dagger]

well…
yes but no

[craggy dagger]

[south shuttle]

is miraidon ag yet

volt switch just ohko'd a kyogre

this power creep too much 😭

[timber falcon]

should amoongus always be slower than caly-ice these days

[willow vault]

In vgc we don’t ban things

[mighty stump]

How is a super effective move ohkoing a surprising thing

[charred saddle]

• e terrain

[south shuttle]

what about non vgc formats

[south shuttle]

its volt switch

[willow vault]

You mean singles?

[south shuttle]

yes

[mighty stump]

This channel mostly focuses on in-game formats

considering tis an in-game server

Rarely will you see discussion/advice about smogon formats

[south shuttle]

i see that but where else is there

[mighty stump]

? VGC?

BSS

[shadow wind]

I would say so, it has gotten me to T500 several times.

[craggy dagger]

isn’t volt switch a 70 base power to begin with?

[south shuttle]

why not tho

[south shuttle]

yes

[craggy dagger]

we used to-

[craggy dagger]

so why is it surprising when it’s added with terrain, hadron engine and stab?

[south shuttle]

like why is calyrex shadow in the same tier as ice

[craggy dagger]

if it was nuzzle or smth i’d be surprised

[south shuttle]

its kyogre

[polar canyon]

Have you played both

[craggy dagger]

it’s miraidon-

[south shuttle]

idk i never used miraidon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[polar canyon]

135 + terrain boost + 1.3 ability boost

[craggy dagger]

135 base special…
plus stab plus SpA boost from ability

why wouldn’t it KO

plus terrain boost right

[south shuttle]

i didnt know it got an extra 33%

[polar canyon]

Even without the terrain + ability boost it's gonna hit so hard

It's stab and it has the same special attack as flutter mane

[south shuttle]

i just knew kyogre had great spdef

why i was surprised

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre

Type

Water

Abilities

Drizzle

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/90/150/140/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Kyogre-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

i guess so...

[willow vault]

We say we don’t so people don’t complain about the lack of bans

[polar canyon]

It's a 2 hit ko with volt switch if you get rid of the terrain

They did make a ban list one time last gen

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[polar canyon]

But again they want people to buy swsh + crown tundra dlc to have calyrex

[craggy dagger]

im surprised they brought back smeargle-
but ig dark void only being able to be used on darkrai fixed that

[polar canyon]

And if they'd ban anything calyrex would be the first

[willow vault]

Also because in comparison to singles we barely ban anything

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[polar canyon]

Is ou ever balanced

[south shuttle]

it is very balanced

[polar canyon]

They seem to always be wanting to ban something for being strong

[south shuttle]

they let stuff drop too much

like ursluna is UU

[polar canyon]

I always saw uubl on weavile

That means banned from uu but technically still uu right

[pearl wind]

yes

[willow vault]

Too good for uu not good enough for ou but there is no tier in between

[polar canyon]

Tiers are based on usage percentage

[willow vault]

I’m aware

[polar canyon]

So it's technically still uu

By usage

Just not allowed to be used

[willow vault]

You can’t use it in uu though, so it’s uubl

[polar canyon]

Under Used But Lame

[willow vault]

Sure

[craggy dagger]

no sleep though

[south shuttle]

is inner focus dragonite better than multiscale?

for the intimidate immunity

[strange fjord]

I'd say so. for vgc at least

[solid frigate]

Inner FOcus is strictly Better

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/7778f5b5b2f69783 do you think this is a bad team per say

[solid frigate]

its bad for Serious Competitve but if its just for funnies with friends i think its decent

Tho idk why Salazzle and Pory Z has 4 EVs Watsed Each

[misty helm]

Do you think you could help me draft a good team from these two sets of Pokémon

Preferably one with the lycanroc dusk on it

[craggy dagger]

uhhhhh

i was thinking goltres raichu groudon liligant dnite-
lycanroc isnt too good

and maybe uhhhh
incin to wrap it up

[south shuttle]

inceniroar should be thrown into the abyss

its so annoyingly bulky

[solid frigate]

Lycanroc have some usage in the beginning of Scarlet and Violet

[craggy dagger]

yeah but in this regulation-

[solid frigate]

yeah its gonna die

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Incineroar funny

[solid frigate]

yep,i have huge respect on Incin after he saved me from being destroyed by Caly Ice

[elder python]

any restricted pokemon that goes well with meowscarada in stadium singles?

[upbeat quail]

Max speed Timid Scarfed Gholdengo outspeeds max speed timid calyrex shadow

Interesting

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2121387598

[solid frigate]

like barely?

[upbeat quail]

By one point

Same with scarfed max speed adamant Urshifu

[solid frigate]

Urshifus 🤝 Gholdengo

Both outspeeding Calyrex Shadow by become turbo speed

[misty helm]

I’d like to mention it’s one of my few checks to flutter mane

[craggy dagger]

how

[torn parrot]

People just camping regionals to steal teams

[misty helm]

Swords dance boosted accelerock is able to ohko

And I can usually set up safely due to sash

[dapper crag]

Ability: Armor Tail

Priority moves used by opposing Pokemon targeting this Pokemon or its allies are prevented from having an effect.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

farigiraf says hello-
same with indeedee

[misty helm]

You don’t ever encounter those in BSS

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 745: Lycanroc-Dusk

Type

Rock

Abilities

Tough Claws

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/117/65/55/65/110

Total

487

Base Species

Lycanroc

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[craggy dagger]

oh this is BSS?
i thought it was vgc

[misty helm]

Battle stadium singles

Basically the same format but single battles instead of double battles

[solid frigate]

turtl

[misty helm]

Is terapagos good at all

[solid frigate]

well....

Its certainly top 5 in Restricted Legendary

[misty helm]

I’m contemplating bringing out the Diamondback because I like it’s design

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmmm

[misty helm]

At least the terastal form

[solid frigate]

if you play Terapagos,you most Likely going to Terastalise it

[foggy lodge]

Always tera on Terapagos

[solid frigate]

you can choose when to Tera,but yeah you always Tera the tortol

[misty helm]

Okay what about koriadon

[foggy lodge]

You can save resources of tera shards in game because you are 99% of the times using tera in Terapagos lmao

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Miraidon are better at Sweeping

[foggy lodge]

Hyper Offense

[solid frigate]

Lmao,still imma just give The Tera for some reason

[misty helm]

But koraidon isn’t a bad choice is it

[solid frigate]

its one of the better choice

But Miraidon just Nukes

[misty helm]

How’s reshiram in the current meta because I might hunt that in shield if it’s a good Pokémon

[solid frigate]

its not worth it in VGC at least cuz you have other strong Fire Types

[misty helm]

What about in a singles format

[solid frigate]

You have like Incineroar,Ogerpon Hearthflame and Gouging Fire running Around so its not as good

[misty helm]

Bare in mind I would also like to be able to shiny hunt my team

[solid frigate]

oh boi another these cases....

Koraidon,Miraidon,Terapagos,Calyrex are out of the Option

[misty helm]

Yeah I’m aware of that

What does that leave me with for good options

[solid frigate]

For restricted Pokemon...

[misty helm]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

i think all of them are shiny huntable

is just the ones i said are not shiny Huntable

the next Best one are Kyogre and Zamazenta

[misty helm]

Okay I have a shiny zamazenta already so I will give that a try

So would you recommend an even split in defense and max hp

Because I think I raised mine wrong

I went for max attack and speed

[solid frigate]

lemme see,This is Monke's Zamazenta

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Ability: Dauntless Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Impish Nature

• Heavy Slam
• Body Press
• Iron Defense
• Protect

[misty helm]

I was also thinking of running crunch instead of protect

[solid frigate]

protect is useful against things that are not urshifu

[misty helm]

But how useful is it in a singles format

[solid frigate]

its still very useful

[misty helm]

You would just potentially be able to see the move that they are about too use two seconds later

[willow vault]

Protect is slightly less useful unless your playing a heavily stall oriented team around toxic

[solid frigate]

if someone spore the Zamazenta or Miraidon Electro Drifts Zamazenta and you don't have an Option to Protect yourself,you just lose the Legendary

[willow vault]

In singles that is

[solid frigate]

its still handy to have

[willow vault]

Depends heavily on the tier

In nu for instances I’ve only ever ran into it on some muks that’s it

[solid frigate]

its BSS

Basically VGC but Singles format so yeah

[willow vault]

Oh ingame I thought they meant showdown tiers never mind

[solid frigate]

yeah

[misty helm]

Do you think I could run zamazenta as a fast sweeper in hindsight

[solid frigate]

Body Press Sweeper

[misty helm]

Is iron defense enough though for that role

I don’t want to loose power on other moves that could benefit it

[solid frigate]

its enough.

[misty helm]

So I could do 252 attack 252 speed

Iron defense
Body press
Behemoth bash
Crunch

[solid frigate]

oml.... NO.

Just take the Zamazenta Monke used.

[misty helm]

Could I alter it so that protect is crunch though

[solid frigate]

sigh...

you can try but since No Attack EVs it deals not that much.

[misty helm]

Okay what would happen if I did use it my way

[solid frigate]

why bother when you can pair with Pokemon that are Strong Dark Type Attackers

[solid frigate]

you sacrificed a lot of bulk it had.

[solid frigate]

Like say Kingambit

[misty helm]

Okay is dialga any good in the current meta

[solid frigate]

For Trick Room.

[misty helm]

I’m about ready to give up for zamazenta

Also realistically speaking what’s wrong with my tactics

It’s frustrating to even speak to you right now because your making me feel like I’m doing everything wrong

[solid frigate]

It's MY FAULT?

[misty helm]

Is there not more than one way to train these Pokémon

[solid frigate]

Says the one who actually stubborn making their Pokemon less bulky and not the intended way to play

[solid frigate]

For Zamazenta,Nope.

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 327-385 (100.6 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

You don't want to get one shot by Miraidon.

252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 93-111 (46.7 - 55.7%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO

the difference speaks for itself

[misty helm]

Okay what if I went with 252 hp 252 attack

[solid frigate]

then you have to waste time to Iron Defense

Body Press works on Defense,not Attack

[misty helm]

But none of its other moves work that way

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 100-118 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Miraidon still can just 2HKO this

[solid frigate]

Heavy Slam does not,Its based on Weight

[dapper crag]

Move: Heavy Slam

The power of this move depends on (user's weight / target's weight), rounded down. Power is equal to 120 if the result is 5 or more, 100 if 4, 80 if 3, 60 if 2, and 40 if 1 or less. Damage doubles and no accuracy check is done if the target has used Minimize while active.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[misty helm]

But it’s not going to be reliably heavier though wouldn’t it

Or at least heavy enough that the attack power is more than 100

Also heavy slam factors in weight and attack

[solid frigate]

Behemoth Bash needs Attack EVs which ultimately makes Zamazenta less bulky

[mighty stump]

So how far did you end up in this teambuilding process

Also Heavy Slam is better

[solid frigate]

Bro is stubborn on Making Zamazenta Max Max Min on HP,Attack and one of the Defense...

i even give Monke's Zamazenta

[mighty stump]

What are you hitting with Heavy Slam that you can't kill with Body Press is the question I wanna ask first

[misty helm]

I know what I’m doing

[mighty stump]

If you can answer that then you realise what the correct set is

[misty helm]

I’m frustrated that nobody sees me as smart

[mighty stump]

You can be smart and wrong

[wide kettle]

Just try the set out and see how well it performs. No one can argue with results

[mighty stump]

But smart people tend to accept when they're wrong in the face of evidence

But just refer to the previous question

And it answers everything

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane, Freaking,Flutter Mane

Flutter Mane's Weight is super low.

[mighty stump]

Yeah, what else

In what other situations will you be clicking Heavy Slam/Steel move over boosted Body Press

[solid frigate]

Calyrex,Specfically Shadow Rider cuz Ghost Immune Fighting Moves

[misty helm]

Okay thank you for that suggestion I will show you guys how good offense can be on zamazenta

[gentle crag]

dracorex232 has given 1 Gen Rep to jkirk

[mighty stump]

and what else

Oh

So this is willful ignorance

[solid frigate]

practically Any Ghost types

or Pokemon that Resist Body Press

[mighty stump]

Depends on the results. There are certain standards of results that are needed when presenting it as evidence

[mighty stump]

The answer is you're only clicking Heavy Slam into Flutter Mane and always clicking boosted BPress into literally everything else

[wide kettle]

Very true. I was looking forward to seeing them

[mighty stump]

And probably CSR

[misty helm]

And I’m weird too about switching as well best to die with dignity I can be very finicky

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Not much dignity in being stubborn about it after asking for advice in general though

[lofty tartan]

Nu uh

[mighty stump]

More embarrassing than anything when theres already clear evidence

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

also isn't like Zamazenta can just click Heavy Slam with both Calyrexes

[mighty stump]

But good luck ig

If you're not clicking Body Press with Zamazenta

You might as well play Zacian

[craggy dagger]

uhhh-
idk how much damage it’ll do against ice rider

[mighty stump]

Like

Literally

[craggy dagger]

ice is heavy

[mighty stump]

If you wanna play offensive Zamazenta you just mispelled the name in the builder

[solid frigate]

i have to check it

[mighty stump]

Zacian-Crowned < CTRL-C

[solid frigate]

oj wait

That guy makes Max Max Min on HP,Attack and One of its Defense on Zama...

Why not they play Zacian-

oh wait they are Shiny Hunters nvm

[lofty tartan]

I'm a shiny hunter

[mighty stump]

I shiny hunt

I also know what I'm doing

[craggy dagger]

what’s a shiny hunt

[lofty tartan]

It's what initially made vgc appealing to me

[solid frigate]

but like for every team member had to be Shiny which hinders a lot

[mighty stump]

Apparently something that brainrots 90% of people

[lofty tartan]

No it doesn't lol

My whole team is shiny if they're not shiny locked

It's when you don't have them, claim to need to only play shinies, but only play with what's in your boxes.

[bold geode]

Wtf did I come back to

[craggy dagger]

hi

[solid frigate]

i am tempted to ping you for helping me get the person for the clear option for Zamazenta.

[bold geode]

Also bro showing my stuff smh

[bold geode]

Literally what everyone else is doing lmao

[mighty stump]

Not that guy

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke (ID 817628066020065280)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: ShielDog
Code: 85NMTN
Format: VGC 2024 Regulation G
Paste: https://pokepast.es/30ef104bb8099f77
Notes: https://dollarmonke.wordpress.com/2024/05/04/jungles-treasure-shieldog/

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · May 5, 2024, 5:57 AM

[mighty stump]

He's playing Zacianmenta

[wide kettle]

Build appreciated too

[bold geode]

Huh

[craggy dagger]

oh you made a zam team :0

[lofty tartan]

I came in on the end of it but apparently someone is building offensive Zama

[mighty stump]

R u saying uve never heard of max hp max attack zamazenta

[solid frigate]

Pokemon:Zamazenta

EVs: Max HP,Max Attack,min Defense.

thats just basically Bulky Zacian.

[craggy dagger]

min defense what

[bold geode]

Oh fuck my bad
Wasn't aware of it's game my apologies

[mighty stump]

We are humbled in the presence of an innovator

[craggy dagger]

is it crowned at least?

[mighty stump]

Yeah, Burger King Crown

[solid frigate]

yeah at least its crowned

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[craggy dagger]

HEYYY-
not cool :T

[bold geode]

As long as it don't go on a plane we good

[craggy dagger]

i need to make a notes sheet for this team…
lugia kinda-
flops to physical attackers

[mighty stump]

Btw

The funny thing with CSR mirrors

One of the best lines for it is basically to Fake Out the Tera

Lmao

[craggy dagger]

:0

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

I'm not even joking

That's literally what you're supposed to do

[craggy dagger]

it makes sense but you’d have to predict it no?
otherwise you’d be screwed-

[bold geode]

Tofu might I ask what moves were on this offensive Zamazenta

[solid frigate]

Press,Behemoth Bash,Crunch and Iron Defense

[mighty stump]

Dunno

I came in at the tail-end of someone being stubborn

[bold geode]

Still not using Heavy Slam huh

[solid frigate]

we told him,he said nope

[bold geode]

Also I've seen Crunch, but usually you get rid of Steel STAB

[bold geode]

But it better so

[solid frigate]

yeah, HS>BB

[misty helm]

Exactly

[mighty stump]

Yeah it's stupid

I thought you wanted to be smart

[bold geode]

Oh not heavy
Do you know how fucking chonky Zama is

[craggy dagger]

does zam get hard press

[misty helm]

Look I know it’s convoluted but I don’t play much defense

[solid frigate]

pls do not remind me of that Chonky Meme lol

[bold geode]

What Chonky meme

[mighty stump]

It's not even playing Defense wtf

[solid frigate]

ya know what nvm-

[misty helm]

And I like zamazenta better

[mighty stump]

You're literally a more significant offensive threat with just Body Press and staying alive

Can't exactly do damage if you die

This is like taking a mop and using it dry like a broom

[bold geode]

I don't do that

[misty helm]

I do plan on using body press

[misty helm]

And iron defense

[solid frigate]

we know you and Keanu are the Soldiers for Zamazenta :>

[bold geode]

But no you want more defensive investment cuz that's what Body Press goes off of, which is Zama's main deal
Using Crunch is not as a sweeping thing but literally just so you don't get walled by Ghost types, which honestly imo
Kind of a skill issue cuz you got 5 other mons

[bold geode]

Compared to Keanu and Michael Zhang, I'm just a pawn

[misty helm]

You guys think I’m a fool here but I know what I’m doing

[solid frigate]

at least in this Server you are one of the more experienced Zama Players :>

[lofty tartan]

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Or it shouldn't.

[bold geode]

Yeah
Hell I can't even call myself the best Annihilape player here LMFAO

[solid frigate]

WAIT THE PFP

[mighty stump]

Until you ask for public opinion/general consensus

[solid frigate]

I JUST REALISED THATS TERAPAGOS LOL

[craggy dagger]

if you say so… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but don’t say we didn’t warn you-

[bold geode]

Wait I thought Mika pfp was Torkoal lol

[solid frigate]

Itss Terapagos with a Nuke behind him lol

[craggy dagger]

that’s a pagos

[solid frigate]

I neeed the Original Sauce

[misty helm]

Sorry for being so stubborn btw

[bold geode]

Hell technically my Zama team is just a slight copy lmfao

[lofty tartan]

It is.

[lofty tartan]

No. This is Torkoal

[solid frigate]

its ok if you realised

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[solid frigate]

gimme the Sauce >:)

[bold geode]

No, this is Sparta
Sit down fool

[pallid hare]

I do wonder what ash's torkoal was thinking of when it did this

[lofty tartan]

The sauce? I'm sorry, I'm playing Miraidon; I only speak in Electro Drift

[bold geode]

Also if Torkoal in danger there or is it fine
Cuz like it a turtle, but it also a Fire type

[solid frigate]

and better question,How tf he is still alive-

[misty helm]

Tbh you were being pretty stubborn to though

[solid frigate]

I need the Pfp sauce

[pallid hare]

I think ash got it out relatively quickly

[lofty tartan]

Stubbornness and conviction are very close in appearance

[pallid hare]

no, they're the same

[mighty stump]

It's difficult not to come off as stubborn when you're correct

[solid frigate]

Fair Point,but that scene is too funny

[misty helm]

Telling me I can’t play my Pokémon right if I’m not doing it you’re way

[solid frigate]

its not even my way-

[lofty tartan]

Nah, if they were the same then they wouldn't be two totally different words with different meanings

[lofty tartan]

Are you playing this in VGC?

[solid frigate]

BSS

[lofty tartan]

Oh then it's probably meaningless.

[bold geode]

Oh then idk what I'm thinking, but you still probably want SOME defensive investment so Body Press don't hit like a wet noodle

[rustic mountain]

tru

[misty helm]

Okay I’ll split attack and defense

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

[forest arrow]

I-

Nvm

[lofty tartan]

Shhh, Throw. SHHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-bean-mrbean-weird-creepy-gif-16513843835517302973

[forest arrow]

Yessir 🫡

[lofty tartan]

Throw what're you doing later?

I still have to get a shiny marked Incineroar to give away as prizing for our event, but was thinking about that offer I made you yesterday.

[bold geode]

Huh

[forest arrow]

Might be playing some overwatch with friends for some downtime cause I’ve been ignoring them lately but we can run a few sets later or tomorrow even if you’re down

[mighty stump]

Do rental

[lofty tartan]

Yeah both work for me. I'll be awake for awhile.

I fucking slept for like 12 hours. It was horrifying.

[forest arrow]

Rental done, I messed up and have to wait 5 more hours to post when I should’ve just edited it

[lofty tartan]

Medication doing its thing.

[mighty stump]

My child I taught you better

[forest arrow]

I’ll let you know after I eat and shower and stuff maybe tomorrow

[forest arrow]

I’m sorry papa, ogerpon bonks me on the head for it

[craggy dagger]

bite down onto that crystal lattice shell-

[lofty tartan]

If y'all need help with rentals you know you can just ping me because I am AWASH with resources.

[mighty stump]

I sentence you to Physical Flutter Mane

[misty helm]

Is Tera really a requirement if you’re using terapogos

[forest arrow]

Dear God why

[lofty tartan]

.........

[mighty stump]

Define requirement

[solid frigate]

NO-

[rustic mountain]

does flutter have physical moves

[pallid hare]

tastes like rock candy

[craggy dagger]

yes-
kinda-
…
i think the answer is obvious-

[plain drum]

Yeah, otherwise it’s just pogos

[solid frigate]

ah yes,Terapogos

[craggy dagger]

pagos pagos-

[mighty stump]

You don't necessarily have to tera Terapagos every game

[solid frigate]

pagos pagos

[craggy dagger]

(gala)pagos

[solid frigate]

Pagos Pagos

[pallid hare]

terapogostick

[solid frigate]

moment

[plain drum]

This has been my one unhelpful contribution opportunity found from lurking for today, thanks

[lofty tartan]

Galapagos

[forest arrow]

Reee

[lofty tartan]

Had to go cut up a green bell pepper for my kid so she could devour it raw.

[craggy dagger]

:0

[forest arrow]

Dang lol what is spice?

[lofty tartan]

She just likes vegetables. Raw peppers, mostly.

[solid frigate]

ah i see

[lofty tartan]

At least I don't have to fight her over it.

[craggy dagger]

it’s sweet crunchy and juicy i can understand why

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah she loves peppers. Orange and green and yellow are her favorites.

She's medium on red bell peppers (not spicy, but still sweet)

[mighty stump]

Well seeing as nothing competitive is going on that is my cue to go to bed. Good night

[lofty tartan]

I'm a huge fan of veggies so we always have fresh ones in the house.

HEY TOFU

[lofty tartan]

Goodnight, buddy. Get some rest

[mighty stump]

I have a vacation this weekend with my dad and partner so I more than likely won't be on for the next few days

[solid frigate]

ah i see,Have a nice trip!

[craggy dagger]

gn tofu.
rest well and let the stars guide you to sweet dreams

[mighty stump]

If anyone has any stupid questions, please use them up before I get back

Thanks

[mighty stump]

Hope its a meteor guiding me to hell

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-indigo-disk-gif-13582137320859028886

[craggy dagger]

ill answer the stupid shit-

[solid frigate]

also is it just me or does Terapagos's Jawline looks more thicker in Terastal form-

[mighty stump]

Definitely bedtime

Ta

[lofty tartan]

How do I tie my shoes

[solid frigate]

tortol

[craggy dagger]

pagos

[solid frigate]

pagos

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100672191

Its so funny seeing People don't know that Stellar Tera Starstorm

And yes this is an Old Replay

[solid frigate]

THANK YOU

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

You can't steal it for a profile picture though.

[solid frigate]

I'll use it for memes is it ok?

[lofty tartan]

It's not mine - it's something that was passed around in a discord previously as a meme anyway.

So I don't claim any ownership to it, in all reality.

[solid frigate]

oh, i see

[lofty tartan]

I just thought it was hilarious lol

[solid frigate]

Terapagos has seen shit

[misty helm]

Do you think having a wide array of types on the team would be beneficial

[solid frigate]

it would, Water Fire Grass Cores are the most common,as they help each other out

[misty helm]

Would you say that the kanto starter trio actually make for a decent fire grass water core

Or do I need to be more creative

[solid frigate]

its actually pretty Decent,Charizard and Venusaur are good for Sun Teams

[lofty tartan]

This is for singles right?

[misty helm]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Well yeah but the Kanto Starters trio technically have good syngergy,Well Except for Blastoise.

[lofty tartan]

If it were doubles I'd say Venu is fine - Charizard gets really outclassed really fast.

But if BSS then you could kind of play whatever 🤷

[solid frigate]

RIP G-Max Solar Powered Zard tho

[misty helm]

Also should I even consider a water type if I’m doing a sun team

[solid frigate]

Walking Wake exists

Walking Wake is a Water type that works in the sun

[misty helm]

Also if my goal tends towards keeping all my Pokémon on the field as long as possible does that defeat the purpose of zone setting

[lofty tartan]

Your goal should honestly be winning the game.

To do that you have to take KOs

If you're looking to stall the game out you're going to want something other than the pretty frail pokemon that have been mentioned here - Charizard, Venusaur, and Walking Wake are not known for their bulk or longevity.

[misty helm]

What if my groudon is too bulky and goes down after the sun goes away

In other words my sun setter is worthless because nobody else besides my sun setter benefits from the sun

Also I for some reason view switching out to be cowardly

Best to die with dignity I can be finicky let the mist cloud up your eyes as you meet with your demise

[lofty tartan]

Groudon doesn't benefit from the Sun unless you run like a Fire move or something. Inherently, he doesn't really gain anything otherwise.

Lowers power of water moves by 50% but that shouldn't be a selling point of benefitting from sun

Groudon should be the thing setting up the other members of the team and should be used as a big sweeper otherwise. I'm unsure if setup moves are the way if you're talking about a format with legendaries.

[solid frigate]

Thats why Primal Groudon>Regular Kyogre>Primal Kyogre>Groudon Most of the time

[lofty tartan]

It's a video game. This isn't honor battling with samurai

There's no cowardice or honor or integrity.

It's math. Stat blocks dressed up as cute monsters.

[solid frigate]

yep,thats how Pokemon be like,Tactics and placements

[misty helm]

What types are generally considered necessary on a competitive team

[lofty tartan]

Necessary - not really a thing.

[solid frigate]

it depends on what team you make

[lofty tartan]

I think your base intent is critical. What you plan for the team to do.

Focusing too much on types is going to get you pigeonholed

[misty helm]

I’m planning a hyper offensive team

I guess

[solid frigate]

Ok the best one it Miraidon then

[lofty tartan]

Sun Hyper Offense is pretty easy.

[solid frigate]

thats also fair

[lofty tartan]

You're still thinking in doubles.

[solid frigate]

no like Singles Miraidon is a beast--

sure you don't have others to back it up but it still have the power from Hadron,STAB and E-Terrain

[lofty tartan]

Don't worry about the big bads in VGC Regulation G. You're not playing that. Miraidon is good but I don't know much about singles so I can't say definitively, and it sounds like you want to run Sun anyway.

[misty helm]

Not thinking of doing a sun team

[lofty tartan]

So if you want to play Groudon and you want to play HO, then it's easy.

Okay, if you're just thinking about doing anything then pick your favorite legendary from what's available - it's Singles so you don't have a lot of rules.

If you want to pick what's strong, then pick what's strong as a base.

[solid frigate]

also blame me for playing too much doubles

[lofty tartan]

Blame me too. All I play is Doubles.

[solid frigate]

i haven't played singles for so long

[lofty tartan]

I'm just trying to explain to him that like... basically the world is his oyster here lol

[solid frigate]

lol

also i just don't like Oysters lol

[lofty tartan]

Rules of Reg G just don't apply. He can kinda just slam whatever he wants.

[solid frigate]

true

[lofty tartan]

Unless BSS follows Reg G?

Honestly I've never queued into Ranked Singles and I don't know if he's doing ranked singles or casual singles

[solid frigate]

it follows reg G

[lofty tartan]

Casual singles - rules don't apply

Ranked singles is Reg G then

[solid frigate]

thats why i said Miraidon would be more opressive cuz i don't think There are that many Rillabooms than Doubles

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't know honestly xD

I'd feel weird making a definitive call having just NEVER done it xD

[solid frigate]

lol

[lofty tartan]

But Mirai is good so yeah whatever

Do like Tera Fairy Specs Dazzling Gleam xD

[solid frigate]

lol

[elder python]

solid fire types for battle single stadium?

[lofty tartan]

I'm actually playing Specs Tera Electric Dazzling Gleam. Don't like Discharge or getting gimped.

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon Hearthflame

[solid frigate]

fair

[elder python]

anyone else?

[lofty tartan]

The Gleam over Discharge has come up more than once as being positive.

[solid frigate]

i used to ran calm Mind Electric Seed

[lofty tartan]

We're still doing ESeed Farigiraf

It's very good

[solid frigate]

Heatran?? Entei?

[lofty tartan]

Blaziken

[solid frigate]

yeah it feels more fluid to play on

you become extra Tanky

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's helped a lot.

I'm playing an updated version of Rajan's team. It's been positive into hate and Rajan's team in general so I'm for it

[solid frigate]

i kinda used his Mons but i swapped Cornerstone for Wellspring

https://pokepast.es/be5d2a645b766643

[elder python]

is skeledierge usable?

[solid frigate]

absolutely,it ignores stat boosts

[elder python]

why are some pokemon not be able to use in gen 9 like why can’t aeigslash be used

[solid frigate]

its not in the game.

[elder python]

why not tho

[solid frigate]

dex cuts

it happened in gen 8

[elder python]

o i see

ok i go trambuild good bye

[solid frigate]

ok

also i love trambuilding

[misty helm]

Come to think of it what’s better for mono dragon eternatus or dialga

[solid frigate]

they played very differently

Dialga is trick room mon
Eternatus can be HO or stall

[misty helm]

Can dialga be played for hyper offense

[solid frigate]

well.. not really...

its not like Miraidon who can blitz people with

its a trick room pokemon

[misty helm]

If you were to split hp and SpD and put the remaining into SpA would you think that could work

[solid frigate]

i actually have a set for it

Dialga-Origin @ Adamant Crystal
Ability: Telepathy
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 236 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Earth Power
• Flash Cannon
• Protect

you can go for TR rather than Protect if you want

[lofty tartan]

I'm not even using Ogerpon

I really dig Dialga non-Origin plus Ice Rider for Double Restricted. Toss in Farig and your setters are covered.

Steel/Dragon incredible typing. Acts as sweeper and setter just like Caly

[solid frigate]

I run CM Flutter Mane lol

[tidal blade]

i haven’t played competitive pokemon in a fat minute. Whats the current format and ruleset?

[lofty tartan]

Set up feels almost too slow right now.

[solid frigate]

Restricted Format (1 Legendary)
Regulation G

[solid frigate]

tru

[tidal blade]

does that mean i can use caly-ice?

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[solid frigate]

i wanna try Terapagos Lunala

[tidal blade]

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/063794946b7f023b

Very typical Caly-I team running around right now

Some swap Farig for Gholdengo

[tidal blade]

thanks

what are the teams i should be aware of right noe

[solid frigate]

oh god.

Welp-

[lofty tartan]

Miraidon, Terapagos, Shadow Rider Calyrex, Ice Rider Calyrex, Groudon/Kyogre, Koraidon

[solid frigate]

Miraidon teams are gonna fluctuate so yeah

[solid frigate]

[lofty tartan]

I'm currently 12 - 3 with Mirai and I've played like... 7 mirrors?

[tidal blade]

yikes

[lofty tartan]

Six mirrors? Something like that.

[tidal blade]

i hate having to basically relearn the game every regulation

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you're gonna see Mirai a lot

Frankly a lot of EV spreads are still the same - Incin/Rilla are still a linchpin core

It's different but it's the same.

[solid frigate]

Reg G is kinda similar to Reg F cuz the Meta looks similar,you still see Raging Bolt,Incin,Shifu and Rilla

[torn parrot]

Looks like Reg G had a massive change over night

[rustic mountain]

u had to know thatd b the case

[lofty tartan]

Oh I did

[rustic mountain]

nice tho

[lofty tartan]

But I'm favored into the mirror and I know the play so it's good.

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i only see Koraidon,Caly Ice and Miraidon Teams

Rarely saw Kyogre and Shadow now

[lofty tartan]

I've been taking some notes on the Restricteds I commonly face.

[tidal blade]

is the urshifu calced to outspeed/ohko anything important?

[lofty tartan]

Just to see what's okay and what's a bad day.

[solid frigate]

same

[rustic mountain]

i keep facing this one team a shit ton on cart ladder, its bonnet, torkoal, indeedee, ape, caly ice and urshifu its so weird lol

[solid frigate]

i mostly die to Koraidon and Caly Ice

[rustic mountain]

last cppl times ive queued up its been like 5-6 times ive played it

[solid frigate]

i see

[tidal blade]

i wish ultra beasts were in gen 9

[rustic mountain]

nah

[tidal blade]

i wanted to cook something up with speed swap pheramosa

[rustic mountain]

them and paradox would feel bloated imo

[lofty tartan]

Uhhh this is a really general Urshifu. It's 223 with Scarf so it'll outspeed most things and non-speed boost Flutter.

[solid frigate]

Urshifu and Gholdengo:Loves to Outspeed Caly S by one point

[lofty tartan]

^

I was about to say this but I was backing my take with facts first xD

[solid frigate]

lol

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

[lofty tartan]

I don't like to state things incorrectly lol

[tidal blade]

are the crowned dogs allowed?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[tidal blade]

yikes

[solid frigate]

yep but Zamazenta is better now

[lofty tartan]

Zacian is hurting

[rustic mountain]

zamas good, zacian is....not good

[lofty tartan]

Zamazenta is good boy

[solid frigate]

imagine telling that to Gen 8 Era

[rustic mountain]

yea

the tables have turned

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/well-well-well-how-the-turntables-michael-scott-the-office-caught-gif-10490408

[solid frigate]

at least the are equal now

[rustic mountain]

nah

[tidal blade]

if hgoodra wasnt enough

[rustic mountain]

zama would have to do a lot to equal zacians gen 8 dominance

[solid frigate]

Zacian gets Gen 8,Zamazenta gets gen 9

[lofty tartan]

HGoodra fell off hard

HOODRA MY MAN

[rustic mountain]

fuck hoodra all my homies hate hoodra

[solid frigate]

ok why this give me that guy who uses H Goodra on the Reg F team

[tidal blade]

real talk

[lofty tartan]

Archaludon took over as prominent bulky boy

[solid frigate]

we love the B R I D G E

[tidal blade]

not reg F but hoodra was genuinely a nightmare for me to face in reg E

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure

Archaludon is my homeslice

I do not really like playing against it but people play weird anyway and don't respect BM Ursa

[tidal blade]

my reg F team was so odd

[solid frigate]

i used Archaludon in this Reg F team,sure its outdated,have a look!
https://pokepast.es/c31d93f8ba434cff

[rustic mountain]

nah we off reg f now

[lofty tartan]

Archa and Kyogre are bros though

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/ce390da11502688d how does this mono dragon team look

[tidal blade]

i had double kick on girafarig and weakness policy BM

[rustic mountain]

[tidal blade]

it worked sometimes other times not so well

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[lofty tartan]

That just gave me flash backs to seeing Choice Band Psychic Fangs Farigiraf

https://tenor.com/view/flashback-war-flashbacks-memories-i-remember-those-times-gif-16536667

[solid frigate]

ik ik,just a trip down Memory lane of my retired team

[lofty tartan]

It was NOT mine

[solid frigate]

what the fu-

[lofty tartan]

My Farigirafs are good boys

[rustic mountain]

im mostly kidding but i personally am not taking a look

who knows reg f might be reg h

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

[tidal blade]

i miss gen 8 where everyone would abuse the shit out of weakness policy

[rustic mountain]

that was lame

[lofty tartan]

Reg H. Reg F TWO. Like Bad Boys 2

[solid frigate]

if its Specs Psychic,i can see why but BAND PSYCHIC WTF

[tidal blade]

maybe im just biased because i started vgc in gen 8

[lofty tartan]

Band Fangs - Fangs is physical

[rustic mountain]

so did i

[lofty tartan]

So like they had the attack type right but the whole set was garbage

[rustic mountain]

dmax sucked

[solid frigate]

what is the moveset

[tidal blade]

seeing big damage numbers and big ice horse was nice

[lofty tartan]

Band Psychic Fangs is all I remember. Which makes it bad

[solid frigate]

Tera>D-Max>Megas>Z-Moves

[lofty tartan]

Bring out the Megas

I missed all of every Mega format, being a new VGC Player. Bring me my Megas

[rustic mountain]

yea like i enjoyed swsh and will be fond of it cuz i started vgc innit but dmax is a shit mechanic imo. series 10 was the best wen dmax wasnt there

[lofty tartan]

I'm the "bring out the snakes" kid on Family Guy

[rustic mountain]

tera is weird too but its much more balanced

[solid frigate]

I like Megas Design but holy fu its kinda not balanced at all

[tidal blade]

i personally dont like megas because only a select few have them

wheras every month can use tera and dmax to their success

[rustic mountain]

cant speak on megas and z moves cuz i didnt play comp those gens but from wat i do know, tera does seem like the most balanced

[tidal blade]

and an even further select few are actually viable

[misty helm]

https://pokepast.es/ce390da11502688d did you want to see my mono dragon team idea

[rustic mountain]

megas were the rich get richer

[lofty tartan]

I just like Megas as a whole. I want to play with them. I was forged in the fires of P Diddy's Paradox Playhouse. Megas don't scare me.

[rustic mountain]

ttar, mence, metagross, those mons didnt need megas

[solid frigate]

Megas are fine to play but i genuinely think they are not balanced

[lofty tartan]

Oh I don't think they're balanced.

I just don't care.

[solid frigate]

Shiny Mega Metagross is just Peak

[tidal blade]

maybe legends za actually gives some megas to mons that are needing some

[lofty tartan]

^

Gen 10 is around the corner and you know it's gotta be big

[solid frigate]

Kalos Starters.

P L E A S E

[rustic mountain]

mega is a cool concept that was poorly executed

cant have like 5 megas be whats viable and the rest just suck

[solid frigate]

yeah which is sad

[tidal blade]

probably not gonna happen but it would be interesting if gen 10 had all the gimmicks and you could just choose which one you wanted to use

[solid frigate]

this is just National Dex

[rustic mountain]

z move is basically a 1 turn dmax move in terms of power which is ok i guess but seems volatile af

[lofty tartan]

I watched some older VGC coverage with Primals plus Mega plus Z-Moves and it was wildly confusing and insane

Just Megas is fine

[solid frigate]

it is hard

[rustic mountain]

i think thats like 2019

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it was 2019

It was just super insane OMG THE PRIMAL Z-MOVE COMING OUT AND RAYQUAZA GOES MEGA AAAAAAAAAAH

Just Megas is fine

[solid frigate]

i don't play Official Tournaments in that era,i just play them casually and i just use Xerneas+Primal Kyogre in Gen 6 Restricted

[rustic mountain]

i mean primals is just 2 mons not that hard to keep track on, plus like 4ish viable megas and then z moves

[lofty tartan]

Oh I just mean all the layers of the battles taking place

[rustic mountain]

like its not that much going on haha u know wats gna b the mega 99% of the time

[lofty tartan]

Adding Primal on top of my thing was just the extra it needed

[rustic mountain]

i guess

i def wouldnt want more then 1 gimmick myself

[lofty tartan]

It was a LOT of gimmicks happening

[solid frigate]

i am not normal for using Dawn Wing Necrozma+Xerneas

[rustic mountain]

id prefer no gimmicks personally

[lofty tartan]

So just one gimmick is fine with mee.

[rustic mountain]

but we take wat we can get

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I can take or leave gimmicks as a whole but Megas is just neat.

[solid frigate]

gen 5:Helo

[rustic mountain]

they had gems iirc

[lofty tartan]

So I'm open to ZA bringing megas back and I hope it's not confined to solely ZA

[solid frigate]

oh wait yea

[rustic mountain]

not a gimmick really but yea

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I remember gems. I'm old Pokemon fam

[rustic mountain]

also hidden power used to b a thing

[solid frigate]

i start at gen 6 and oml i love Kalos

[lofty tartan]

Hidden Power was whacky

I was like 13 when I got my hands on Pokemon Blue

[rustic mountain]

tera seems like a much more refined hidden power and w/ ots its much more balanced

[solid frigate]

yep i know and Tera Blast kinda is HP