competitive_discussion

[forest arrow]

Time to hunt a marked shiny litten lol

[molten oasis]

I got mine first try lol

And it’s female

[solid frigate]

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Expanding Force vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Terapagos-Stellar on a critical hit: 218-257 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That is not normal-

[molten oasis]

Oof

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

i won because Terapagos Survived by 24 health

[molten oasis]

…something’s wrong

[solid frigate]

from Full HP

[molten oasis]

1 sec

[solid frigate]

and yes thats my Terapagos cuz its Bulk is like that

[lofty tartan]

Honestly if Caly-S is running both Barrage and EForce is gets utterly gimped by Wide Guard. EForce Caly is a trap.

[molten oasis]

the caly has decent speed

[solid frigate]

the fact that the player i fought did not bring indeedee lol

[molten oasis]

But according to showdown 0 speed caly’s hit 133

[lofty tartan]

What level is it, Drago?

[forest arrow]

should be 80

[molten oasis]

80, I MADE SURE the level was correct

[lofty tartan]

Calyrex unfused, right?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

Just gonna cross ref.

[forest arrow]

Its 85 for neutral

[molten oasis]

Yea the ice rider was 85

[forest arrow]

so then you should be good no?

fuse it back

[molten oasis]

I’m checking now

[lofty tartan]

I see 133 here too

[forest arrow]

mines decent, 1iv doesnt matter

[lofty tartan]

^^^^

[molten oasis]

Oh decent is 1?

[lofty tartan]

At 50, 1 and 0 are identical

[molten oasis]

Then it’s 1 Lmao

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, decent will be like 1 to.... seeveeeennnn?

[forest arrow]

decent is like 1-15?

[lofty tartan]

Fifteen

Lmfao

[molten oasis]

I forgot how bad base form caly is

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's really rough.

[forest arrow]

as long as its 85 youre good brother lol

[lofty tartan]

^^

[molten oasis]

Yea I’m 85

[solid frigate]

its a Grass Psychic Type thats not worth it until fusing it

so basically,He's one of the Weakest and Strongest Legendary Pokemon

[molten oasis]

thank god I would have quit otherwise lol

[forest arrow]

lmaoooo

[lofty tartan]

Just quit anyway.

[forest arrow]

silly goose

[lofty tartan]

😄

[molten oasis]

True I can’t I have NAIC

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/di-goose-honk-honk-angry-honk-honk-gif-17648939470482040238

Drago when he sees Calyrex has Decent speed:

[molten oasis]

Oh let’s go best in attack and hp and defense

So I only need a bottle cap for spD

[forest arrow]

same here haha

[molten oasis]

Would it have looked cooler if it was 1? Yes

Do I care enough? Hell no

[solid frigate]

lol

[molten oasis]

aw Man i have to go to work fuck

We better be well staffed today

Yesterday they understaffed and, let’s just say it was pretty awful

[solid frigate]

F

[molten oasis]

Calyrex isn’t very big huh

[solid frigate]

its Small which eh make sense

people think Terapagos is Massive before the anime showed up

[solid frigate]

OMG LOL

[molten oasis]

Lmao

I’m not even using peli caly rn lol

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon in Smash When

[forest arrow]

Its goated

[molten oasis]

I know, but rn I like the stuff I got

Id have ti drop Bloodmoon and like, Bloodmoon is funny

[forest arrow]

Yeah no i get it

[molten oasis]

I think the team I have might just be what I take

At least the 6 I have

[forest arrow]

Still have time to let meta settle but yeah your 6 is strong

isn’t Indianapolis next?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[forest arrow]

is that this weekend or?

[molten oasis]

Yep

[forest arrow]

Hell yeah Reg G content

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna look at Zac and caly

[solid frigate]

if i saw someone uses Cresselia in a Terapagos Team this guy have my respect

[forest arrow]

I’ll be watching Caly and both S/V legends

Korai/Mirai look fun

[solid frigate]

i kinda mainly use Terapagos and Secondary Kyogre and Miraidon while Dialga Just for fun

[lofty tartan]

I may try Tofu's Miraidon team. Still sorta undecided on what I'm playing. Things aren't clicking as well as I'd hoped.

[timber falcon]

anyone have the japanese balance Lando-I set?

nvm

[upbeat hazel]

Hey I’m new to comp pokemon. Is anyone down to play this weekend and help me learn?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/f742e50d1d49eeef any help with last member? i struggle most on my groudon MU

[stray badger]

My team is almost done being built, just need 3 more ribbons
https://pokepast.es/d0b701eba277009d

I'll probably send Porygon back to BDSP for the careless ribbon

[solid frigate]

Rillaboom is good Against it both Kyogre and Groudon

so i just recommend this

[solid frigate]

wait i thought you are gonna build a reg G team?

[stray badger]

After this

Mostly because the only recommendations I've gotten to make a reg G team is to not make it how I want to

[lofty tartan]

Then why get recommendations? Typically they are not gonna align with how you wanna do things, so just do what you wanna do 😄

[stray badger]

What I want to do is just "no shiny locks"

Surely there has to be one Reg G team that fits that

[cyan smelt]

Eternatus stall

[stray badger]

That's just immoral

The question is if I'm above morality

[timber falcon]

It’s a miraidon team

[timber falcon]

Most Morals are subjective

[stray badger]

Stall strats are pretty objectively immoral

[timber falcon]

I think stall eternatus is cool, just hard to use

[solid frigate]

oh nbm

[timber falcon]

Some people play to win in different ways

Can’t really be mad for their style

[stray badger]

Play to win in a less lame way

[solid frigate]

Yeah loads of Grass types are out of the Picture, sooooo

Wellspring should be a good mon against both Kyogre and Groudon right?

[timber falcon]

We say this, but maybe others hate the non meta starts cause it’s annoying, many different play styles u can’t say one is objectively immoral/bad

[timber falcon]

Groudon Tera fire

Heck it doesn’t really need to, it’s bulky enough

[solid frigate]

fair.

Pelipper?

Tornadus?

[stray badger]

Stall user 🫵

[timber falcon]

I have been thinking of torn tbh

Also I don’t use stall

But if I add torn Incin has to change

It’s my caly-I counter

[solid frigate]

Pelipper can do it better

[timber falcon]

How?

[stray badger]

Only a stall user would defend stalling

[timber falcon]

I also lack tw

[timber falcon]

I can defend things without using em, I’m quite fond of history so I like defending both sides, you can justify anything I’m pretty sure

[solid frigate]

Tailwind,Weather Ball,Wide Guard,Hurricane?

Your Team really benefit from TW

[timber falcon]

And covert cloak?

[solid frigate]

Cloak or Sash but cloak feel better

[timber falcon]

I feel like torn is more consistent in what I want it to do

[cyan smelt]

i wish there was an easier way to get materials for tms in game

[timber falcon]

Do you know a pelliper set?

[solid frigate]

true

[timber falcon]

Ev wise

[solid frigate]

I used a Sash Pelipper with Max Max Min,Lemme find one

that is Cloak based

[timber falcon]

Cause I do think having weather ball is a big thing for me, basically always kills groudon

[stray badger]

Yeah, I wish you could just buy them with BP

[timber falcon]

Yeah grinding does get very annoying

[solid frigate]

Pelipper @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 140 SpD / 36 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Steel
Bold Nature

• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Weather Ball

Somehow is Rocky Helm but thats the one that can tank stuff

[timber falcon]

Actually, can’t torn learn weather ball, but maybe stab is important

[timber falcon]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

4 SpA Pelipper Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fire Groudon in Rain: 176-210 (85 - 101.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Tornadus Weather Ball (100 BP Water) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tera Fire Groudon in Rain: 182-216 (87.9 - 104.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Yeah Pelipper is better

[timber falcon]

mhm

[solid frigate]

and also Wide guard against Groudon

or against really anything that is a Spread Move

[white parcel]

New to competitive and have a question regarding defensive evs. What’s the difference in HP EVs vs spd and def?

I’m confused because I’ve seen seen spreads with 192 HP, 44 def, 4 spd. Wouldn’t it be easier to be put in HP?

[cyan smelt]

generally speaking you want to invest in whatever gives you the most bulk, if something's base hp is much higher than its def stats then you invest in def to give it more bulk, but putting something all in HP makes you more frail i think

and when investing in stats it's better to invest in an odd number of stats to get the most benefit so you're not wasting evs

[white parcel]

Thank you

[cyan smelt]

tofu could explain it better

[timber falcon]

is there a specific reason hitmontop is here?

[solid frigate]

Intimidate Fake out

[cyan smelt]

wide guard

[timber falcon]

so its not part of a gimmick?

[solid frigate]

idk

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117379859

was the terrakin banded? that hurt a LOT

[solid frigate]

Terrakion- but yeah he just spams it

[timber falcon]

welp, that was a nice flashback to reg E

low ladder shenanigans are refresghing sometimes

[solid frigate]

lol

[cyan smelt]

time to test out my toxic muk team lmao

[clear crane]

good ev spread for articuno?

[solid frigate]

just Max Max Min Choice Specs, i think thats the Winning Aritcuno Set

[clear crane]

max max min?

i see online defesne and hp are good

[solid frigate]

lemme see Articuno sets

nvm i said it wrong

Articuno @ Choice Specs
Level: 50
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ice
Modest Nature

• Blizzard
• Ice Beam
• Freeze-Dry
• Sheer Cold

This is the one

work it with Sno team and it could work well

[solid frigate]

i forgot its a tanky boi

[clear crane]

thanks

[gentle crag]

saltcw has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[cyan smelt]

just got hit with 2 crits in a row

[molten oasis]

L

It happens

[solid frigate]

F

[cyan smelt]

damn lost to a snow team

[solid frigate]

Damn

[cyan smelt]

rng is against me

[solid frigate]

Drago:First time?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 144: Articuno

Types

Ice/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Snow Cloak (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/100/95/125/85

Total

580

Other Formes

Articuno-Galar

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[foggy lodge]

oh my god

[foggy lodge]

the articuno that won the regional was really slow lol

[solid frigate]

lol but still,it had supporting

also isn't Articuno kinda fall off on Snow Teams due to Kyurem White Basically do the same thing

[foggy lodge]

yeah it's outclassed

i want to stick with my new team

let me show it

[solid frigate]

ok

[little plank]

So need some help with the finishing touches on my team for Naci

[solid frigate]

show

[foggy lodge]

tera poison or tera fairy on Ting-Lu?

[little plank]

https://pokepast.es/47f7861a4c4da929

Urshifu is suppose to be water tera

[solid frigate]

Poison Makes it Resist Flutter As well but weak to Calys

[foggy lodge]

mmmm

mostly Caly shadow

[solid frigate]

Bolt can be Bulky

[foggy lodge]

i haven't seen any caly ice run psychic stab

[solid frigate]

Fairy is more better in this Format,consider that not a lot of Steel Types

[solid frigate]

High Horsepower

[foggy lodge]

i've mainly seen it with CC

but yeah i think tera fairy

[solid frigate]

and Immune to Miraidon's Draco Meteor,Koraidon's Both Stab just walled by it

[ancient crow]

night has been wild

missed 2 icicle crashes back to back

and double missed a rock slide

[solid frigate]

F

[foggy lodge]

okay for Amoonguss i thought in three option

ghost, fairy or water

[ancient crow]

while this mf thunder waved first turn and immediately paralyzed my flutter mane and procceded to crit twice

[cyan smelt]

i'm getting tired of ultra ball

[mighty stump]

lol

[ancient crow]

bro, I'm getting haxed the entire night by f- great balls

[mighty stump]

Gotta add dark-tera to that

[foggy lodge]

also dark can be good

[ancient crow]

https://pokepast.es/6755319c72750ecb

this koraidon team was using dark

is that for the ghost horse?

[foggy lodge]

i'm mainly between water and dark

[next stump]

good luck all indy players tomorrow

[foggy lodge]

water for Urshifu and Caly Ice

or dark for Caly-Shadow and prankster taunt

[mighty stump]

^

[ancient crow]

oh, didn't consider prankster

that's actually a good one

it's insane to me that Zacian got nerfed but calyrex-shadow got away with sweeping entire teams by just clicking a move

[foggy lodge]

also Pelipper tera ghost for fake out, so i can set tailwind or wide guard mor easily

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117434431

[foggy lodge]

and Caly shadow doesn,t matter because it has the sash

[little plank]

This is the general idea of the team

[foggy lodge]

and even without the tera it's going to be a 2HKO

[ancient crow]

btw how is ogerpon doing on this format?

is it still good?

[mighty stump]

its ok

[foggy lodge]

yeah it's still pretty good

i think i've seen more fire ogerpon than the other three

[strange fjord]

Mold Breaker breaks a certain turtle's shell

[mighty stump]

Ehh, that hasn’t been significant

[foggy lodge]

This is my team https://pokepast.es/e8bac665e436f0a7

[mighty stump]

Ive never been worried about Hearthflame

[ancient crow]

nice, shield dog

[mighty stump]

Just jn case anyone missed out I did put up a rental in the rental channel

[ancient crow]

I think it one shoted my full HP koraidon after a swords dance

[mighty stump]

cause thats + 3 + Tera Boost + Sun

[solid frigate]

Tera'd or not

[mighty stump]

Thats not surprising

[ancient crow]

I mean, I tera fire'ed him before

[ancient crow]

I think it was tera

[foggy lodge]

that's a lot of multipliers

[mighty stump]

You resist it before/after

Tera Fire didnt make a difference

[solid frigate]

yep that should OHKO

[mighty stump]

Yep

Mask Boost is 1.2

[foggy lodge]

in reg E my tera fire sinistcha was oneshotes by a Ogerpon-H with tera on sun

[ancient crow]

perhaps she might put more work encoreing ice horse after TR

[solid frigate]

+3 76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Koraidon in Sun: 207-244 (118.2 - 139.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

+3 252 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Koraidon in Sun: 216-255 (104.3 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I think you’re going about your matchups wrong lol

[ancient crow]

yea tera fire didn't matter

[bold geode]

I think my question is why tf you letting it set up a Swords Dance

[mighty stump]

If it TRs youre just gonna Encore Caly-I into Glacial Lance since it sgonna move first

If you have that one turn to move might as well try to nuke with Ivy Cudgel

[ancient crow]

it's just my poor english lol, I didn't mean the turn after

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/conker-playing-video-game-nintendo64-gif-11667661

[mighty stump]

After TR

?

[ancient crow]

yeah, like, encoring him the turn he was supposed to go trick room

[foggy lodge]

ohhh i discovered that there's a regional close of where i am

And i don't know if i should go

[solid frigate]

Welp,No Regionals in UK

and Hong Kong there is a National,Tough Luck i already Migrated

[cyan smelt]

made someone ragequit because ditto can't transform if the target is behind a sub

[solid frigate]

LOL

[strange fjord]

80ish points away from top 500 on bo3 ladder.

really hope i dont choke and enter a losing streak suddenly

[cyan smelt]

my team is getting destroyed in ultra ball

i really suck at this

wtf tera normal hyper beam farigiraf

[strange fjord]

bo1 cts are up and down. wacky stuff happens all the time

ultra ball purgatory is real. hope your battles get better

[cyan smelt]

they won't, my team sucks

my teambuilding sucks

[strange fjord]

know someone who did the gc and was around 1650~ then suddenly they got a losing streak and dropped below 1500.

you might genuinely just be unlucky at this moment

nothing on your team or teambuilding

[cyan smelt]

nah i'm using a muk smeargle team, i should just use a rental probably

[strange fjord]

yeah, with muk, you'd probably get more affected by luck more than other teams

[cyan smelt]

i can't teambuild, no matter what i try it doesn't work

[strange fjord]

well, we got a #rental_teams for a reason

teambuilding is a skill which is hard to do

[cyan smelt]

i haven't gotten any better despite playing since late swsh and i've arguably gotten worse

[cyan smelt]

Tofu's team is goated

[rustic mountain]

not everyone is a great teambuilder

honestly most people arent

[mighty stump]

It’s just about learning, everyone sucks at some point

even good players make horrendous teams

and some good players sometimes just rips teams

and rarely is anyone ever original either

[rustic mountain]

unless ur that gloom guy

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't he just use fissure and horn drill

[mighty stump]

I can’t compete with that

Turns out theres a bit of justification through the thread

Sk clearly something to learn from it

Its a multimodal team

[chrome knot]

does anyone know who made the gloom team yet

[mighty stump]

Biei

But they haven’t gone public

[chrome knot]

non showdown bame

[mighty stump]

Doubt

[chrome knot]

i brigning pelipper gholdengo to pc sunday

[mighty stump]

gl hf

[rustic mountain]

did u use the giraffe variant at all or just went straight to the gholdy one

[forest arrow]

I’m trying the bolt variant atm

[molten oasis]

i have my variant

its nice ice rider has so many options to pick from rn

[foggy lodge]

i saw a Caly ice in tailwind

that thing is scary af

[molten oasis]

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[molten oasis]

heres my question, why

[foggy lodge]

it's a mode

people play it like Ursaluna-BM

with double motor

[molten oasis]

oh yea, see but then

you have to run torn, and torn is cringe

[cyan smelt]

i hate ultra ball

why can smeargle learn transform

[strange fjord]

bc it can learn any move

[cyan smelt]

it shouldn't be allowed to learn transform

[cyan smelt]

out of ultra ball hell

[strange fjord]

congrats! 🎉

[cyan smelt]

now i keep losing

[cyan smelt]

i won a couple, just won against dragon cheer gouging fire and koraidon?

and they had roaring moon too

[autumn vault]

Congrats man

[cyan smelt]

i'm never using smeargle muk again

it always seems like evasion works better on showdown than cart

[autumn vault]

I am still in Ultra Ball with a 6-1 W-L Ratio

[cyan smelt]

that's better than me, i'm 50-50 as always lol

[autumn vault]

You still made it to master rank, thats what matters

[cyan smelt]

i need to practice on showdown some more

[molten oasis]

Well

Muk smeargle is a fairly inconsistent strategy

You’re relying on luck

[cyan smelt]

ik i abandoned it and used tofu's team

[autumn vault]

And people will hate you

[molten oasis]

The new one with groudon?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[autumn vault]

I find that team to be a little odd imo

[molten oasis]

Nice, that’s a cool team

He beat me up with that team lol

[autumn vault]

Gravity Sleep Powders are no joke

Well back to grinding

[molten oasis]

Can’t share the full team but I’m taking caly ice into ladder

[knotty mirage]

I have question if i win on master ball tier with fused calyrex is calyrex will be the only one who got the master ribbon or the horse get it too ?

[charred saddle]

i assume both will get it

but

[mighty stump]

Probably only Caly lol

[cyan smelt]

i hate caly

[mighty stump]

Run Terapagos/Kyogre to play on easy mode

[knotty mirage]

With how many people start using wide guard i don't think it's gonna be that easy

[timber falcon]

Can’t be THAT hard can it? Surely u either just kill the wide guard mon or taunt it

But then again idk how caly-ice does it. Since I use caly-s I just encore/draining kiss

[mighty stump]

It really is lol

If you have tp click Wide Guard to not auto lose I can pressure one slot permanently and use the other to create good board pins

And Terapagos isnt always just click Spread

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/5f59ee8e564162e9 thoughts?

[cyan smelt]

i hate the in-game timer, it's such bs

[timber falcon]

pelliper is kind of an island mon for my groudon and spread move MU

[cyan smelt]

i keep losing

[timber falcon]

to what?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117554328 i think ive found my top 3 mons for sun btw

[cyan smelt]

terapagos and all sorts of random bs

[timber falcon]

taerapagos should be dealth with by a fighting type, do u lack one?

[cyan smelt]

i'm using tofu's rental

[timber falcon]

or just any strong physical

[timber falcon]

which one?

[cyan smelt]

the reg g one

[timber falcon]

yeah, idk which one that is lol

[cyan smelt]

wut someone just cancelled as soon as i sent my first two mons out

[timber falcon]

lul

maybe they had a problem in their team

what is the reg g mon of the team btw?

[cyan smelt]

groudon

[timber falcon]

oh its the sun team, the on i know i think

wouldnt ur win con be groudon?

[cyan smelt]

yeah i guess

[timber falcon]

what i like to do with this, from my perspective of using shifu, keep it at the back.

wait untill pagos is in range of being dealt with easily

normally, once pagos is downed the rest of the team should be a breeze

[cyan smelt]

what, just beat someone using tr but had bundle and miraidon on the team

[timber falcon]

they used them after setting tr?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[timber falcon]

maybe they thought tr would end or smth

[autumn vault]

Why did they tera and protect on the same turn?

[timber falcon]

no idea tbh

[autumn vault]

Now that is what i call Strategy (it really isn't)

[autumn vault]

I mean we all know Koraidon only runs tera fire but that opens it up to wellspring's ivy cudgel

Which in rain nothing weak to it wants to tank it

[timber falcon]

they probably shouuldve expected pelliper tbh

[autumn vault]

True

Anyways back to laddering with Kyurem-White

[cyan smelt]

so kyogre is still good

kyurem-w is pretty good, how do you stop it dying to koraidon and caly-s

[timber falcon]

prolly just coverage with other mons

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Flare Blitz
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

didny mean to reply sorry

but any thoughts on that set?

should i go for the more versatail knock

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117566942 Man i kicked the a-muk's ass

I also got destroyed by a Dewgong

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117565806

[cyan smelt]

watching a replay of the muk stuff it's kinda cringe

[autumn vault]

True, also did you see me get beaten by a dewgong? Because i saw you in that match

[cyan smelt]

yeah i saw that, annoying flip turn stored power

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117568609 Destroyed a calyrex shadow player

[willow vault]

Really interesting game

[willow vault]

Well played

[timber falcon]

lol where is their speed control

caly-s wants at least some form of that no?

[willow vault]

Generally yeah

[timber falcon]

cause torn ruins its amazing speed, allowing others to Ko easily

and in this case chlrophyll venasaur

[willow vault]

Torn also completely stops chlorophyll and also booster speed flutter

[timber falcon]

mhm

https://pokepast.es/f0b48408ab9659b9 i have a team similar

gotta have that torn in case they can outspeed u

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/a51a8b3103a6667a I modified my team to be less weak to ice honse, how is it now?

[willow vault]

Looks very high damaging

[willow vault]

Not using zekrom anymore?

[autumn vault]

I still am but i need to grind faster

[timber falcon]

no bulk on chi-yu?

[autumn vault]

Besides let me use koraidon

[willow vault]

Fair enough

[timber falcon]

anyone wanna bo3 btw

[autumn vault]

I can

I have to test my Koraidon team again

[timber falcon]

user?

[autumn vault]

Lycopoky Slimesy

I am also locked from talking because i have some sort of "proxy" or VPN and i will appeal chatting with it

[timber falcon]

okidoki

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2117573708

[timber falcon]

gg

[autumn vault]

Why did i forget that i protected the turn before

GG

[timber falcon]

wouldnt have mattered unless u were max jolly

eterrain but venasar on hold

why did u bring it in twice?

[willow vault]

Good games people

[autumn vault]

Im adamant

[timber falcon]

yeah im max timid

[autumn vault]

Because that is the gimmick of the team

I also run Flame Charge

[timber falcon]

but atp, vgc games arent long and e tarrin lasts 5 turns. its not getting much of a change to sleep powder

[autumn vault]

Can we do it again? I played so shit there

[timber falcon]

sure

[autumn vault]

Damn it i am locked from challenging you, can you challenge me?

[timber falcon]

sent

[autumn vault]

Fuck

[timber falcon]

why though?

[autumn vault]

Idk why PS locks people for just using VPNs or Proxys

Can you do it again?

[timber falcon]

its cause it stops em from ip banning

[autumn vault]

Well, looks like i have to appeal it, not so sure about sending where i live to them but it seems i have little choice

[timber falcon]

sent

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2117576741

[timber falcon]

cause if they wanna ban a certain player, theyll ofc need to ban Ip since its so easy to make a new account

[autumn vault]

True

[timber falcon]

man i thought id live that

[autumn vault]

I just read that

[timber falcon]

ik you would

i thought i could live a double

[autumn vault]

I thought it would KO, turns out i was right

[timber falcon]

yeah

[willow vault]

What item is the miraidon?

[timber falcon]

magnet

[willow vault]

Oh

[timber falcon]

lol

[autumn vault]

You did it again

[willow vault]

Alright I just knew it wasn’t choices or life orbits so I was confused

[timber falcon]

worth a try

[autumn vault]

gg

[timber falcon]

miraidon hits so hard i love it

gg

[autumn vault]

Pelipper prevents Koraidon from nuking it man

[timber falcon]

yeah its the no.2 reason pelliper is there

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[timber falcon]

no.1 is groudon ofc

[willow vault]

Pelipper is the goat

[timber falcon]

fr

then again i will say, that was not ur best MU

pelliper stops sun and etrrain stops sleep powder

[autumn vault]

Tornadus might have been better but i don't care

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25260726

[timber falcon]

u had a torn?

[autumn vault]

Used to

Now i have Hearthflame

[timber falcon]

oh yeah speed mattered a lot

[solid frigate]

i just keep using Torn so yeah

[autumn vault]

Did the switch just to have a better MU into ice honse

[timber falcon]

i mean, cant venasaur handle the horse

or koraidon

[solid frigate]

Torn is more better Against Koraidon cuz My Koraidon MU is Slightly better now

[autumn vault]

3 lance weaknesses

[timber falcon]

cause of speed?

[autumn vault]

Besides i can control the pace of the battle with venusaur

[timber falcon]

i had the EXACT problem with this whilst making a koraid team lmao

tofu said as long as u have a game plan it should be alright

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1339dc6542ab703f Now i made some changes, how is this now?

Hearthflame is built to tank sludge bomb from landorus incarnate

and obviously tanks electro drift very well

[timber falcon]

but why? do u struggle with it?

lando-I

[autumn vault]

Did you see our 2 Best of 3s?

[timber falcon]

i didnt use lando

[solid frigate]

i don't know if i should replace torn with Pelipper-

[autumn vault]

And no i don't struggle against it but it is nice to be extra prepared

[autumn vault]

Also look at this

[timber falcon]

still it seems a bit much, doesnt heartflame normally want t
those attack evs.

[autumn vault]

This is what we call: No point in saying it

[autumn vault]

Tera Fire ivy cudgel solves the issue with offense

[timber falcon]

i guess

[solid frigate]

yeah i rather run Lunala in 2 restricted

[autumn vault]

Besides i have sun, i can just spam ivy cudgel and still do big damage

[solid frigate]

Lunala Terapagos lol

[timber falcon]

oh yeah i think that may be a problem

ur team is like, INCERDIBLY sun reliant

[solid frigate]

Show the Paste

[autumn vault]

For Zekrom i don't know what to run with it, probably something like Kyogre or Terapagos since they both have set up

https://pokepast.es/1339dc6542ab703f

[timber falcon]

im using lunala +mirai for doubles lul

[solid frigate]

yep the team is sun moment

[solid frigate]

Lunala+Terapagos???

[autumn vault]

Flutter, Chi-Yu and hearthflame (i guess) Don't need sun to be strong

And koraidon is basically very powerful

[timber falcon]

maybe tera electric mirai was just a but muvh then ig

[autumn vault]

1. It will be amazing, trust me
2. Wow it is way worse than we thought
3. Maybe it isn't so overhyped

[solid frigate]

i used Tera Fairy Mirai

[timber falcon]

cause that just OHKOd everything without flutter being faster

[solid frigate]

with the Seed

[autumn vault]

Tera electric is, a choice you made

[timber falcon]

i thought it was fairly common

[autumn vault]

Fairy is the most common sir

[cyan smelt]

Isn't it tera fairy

[timber falcon]

i didnt say most#

[solid frigate]

Fairy is more common

[timber falcon]

"fairly" common

[solid frigate]

Electric is 2nd most

[autumn vault]

Most common teras for miraidon

[timber falcon]

yeah no.2

[solid frigate]

i used Tera Fairy+Electric Seed

[autumn vault]

Let me test Koraidon on someone

Shit, a Kyogre team

[timber falcon]

lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

Kyogre's Reaction after seeing a Sun Team:

[autumn vault]

Nice

[solid frigate]

anyways is there anything replace on Kyogre team
https://pokepast.es/f3817ab37881bdc5

[solid frigate]

Is it Scarf Ogre?

[autumn vault]

Nope

It underspeeds my ogerpon

[solid frigate]

Mystic Water based

[timber falcon]

walking wake on a rain team is cool

[autumn vault]

I also run it

[solid frigate]

its good on both Sun and Rain so its very valueable

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117582784

Won against it

[willow vault]

new idea for a miraidon team, Ogerpon obviously for removing rillaboom also a more defensive spread as its goal is more defensively focused, urshifu + rain kills calyrex, landorus-I Great offensive synergy and likes rain. Incin is Incin https://pokepast.es/ee7acf7dd1664f51

[autumn vault]

I guess i am one of the 42% thats based

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/bf400c022d43377d
Why is my Miraidon team looks more Different than others-

[solid frigate]

lol yes

[willow vault]

more creative I guess

[solid frigate]

I use Freaking Entei over Incin lol

[willow vault]

Good for you?

[solid frigate]

asaide from Inner Focus and Snarl,he just here

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/e9a282ce3d4ac81e How is this orca team?

[solid frigate]

it looks fine

[willow vault]

Looks fine

[autumn vault]

I can go sash tornadus

How would that look?

[willow vault]

It would still be fine

[autumn vault]

Better synergy with the Landorus Incarnate

[mighty stump]

Interesting Miraidon teams

[willow vault]

Good or bad interesting?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/b98fe3081a8b3ad9 Is that or this better?

Difference: Sash and non-sash torn

[willow vault]

I’d say covert cloak is better

[autumn vault]

I can see why

[solid frigate]

welp i guess that confirms my 4 teams for it,2 are built already in SV

[willow vault]

I don’t like relying on protect against fake out when double fake out feel pretty common

[solid frigate]

yeah agree

[willow vault]

You put torn twice

Is that just each team in each row?

[solid frigate]

yea

[willow vault]

Oh yeah I’m dumb

Makes sense

[solid frigate]

2 torn and 2 whim

Perfectly balanced,as all things should be

[willow vault]

Fair enough

I use toilet bird

[autumn vault]

WHY?!

[solid frigate]

i might consider changing my torn for toilet birb

[willow vault]

They read you

[solid frigate]

anticipating a Wood Hammer/Glide

[autumn vault]

That was the most unlucky kyogre moment that i have ever seen

Good thing i clicked origin pulse

[solid frigate]

omg another Lugia team

[willow vault]

Really?

[autumn vault]

Yay, an easy opponent

[solid frigate]

time to do the same thing to the Lugia

[willow vault]

Good luck

[willow vault]

What

[solid frigate]

out freaking stall it

[willow vault]

Spd boost?

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/vdlg-stall-gif-18331841157901402694

[solid frigate]

its not my fault when someone uses Lugia

[autumn vault]

True

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117587375-04xitgraijzy8jxsc79whtmg7ye1pynpw This was an interesting match to say the least

[willow vault]

I mean miraidon just goes burr into lugia

[autumn vault]

Most interesting Kyogre turn:

Slander

[solid frigate]

yeah ik lol it just murders it

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-through-go-through-cracked-forced-cracked-open-gif-14193387

[solid frigate]

bro incin survived on 1%

[cyan smelt]

They need to buff some of these old legendaries

[autumn vault]

Miraidon to Lugia:

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117587243

I got lucked so badly

[willow vault]

It is glorious

[autumn vault]

I have been seeing Brute Bonnet recently

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-lugia-miraidon-pokemon-world-championships-gif-13687926629217009354

Miraidon vs Lugia be like

[willow vault]

Spore + sucker punch into the calyrex’s

[solid frigate]

speaking of devil

[willow vault]

Which one?

[solid frigate]

Miraidon

That somehow Tera's Incin

[cyan smelt]

The caly ses I lost to on cart both had psychic terrain so no sucker punching them

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/table-meme-relatable-goofy-ahh-table-fall-gif-26473613

Well, i have done enough testing, back to break time

[willow vault]

Then click spore

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117589057

Terapagos just does not phaze lol

[cyan smelt]

Does brute bonnet learn knock off

[dapper crag]

Brute Bonnet's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Body Press, Body Slam, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Outrage, Payback, Seed Bomb, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Thief, Thrash, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Absorb, Clear Smog, Dark Pulse, Earth Power, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Pollen Puff, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Confuse Ray, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Ingrain, Protect, Rage Powder, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spore, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Synthesis, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Brute Bonnet.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

No

[cyan smelt]

Psychic terrain teams like running sneasler

[autumn vault]

Also, what about booster speed bonnet? Intimidate is super common rn

And we can calc it to get booster speed after an intimidate

[cyan smelt]

Why not roaring moon, it's faster and gets knock off

[autumn vault]

Does it ever die?

[autumn vault]

Fast Spores

[solid frigate]

no it did not lol

[cyan smelt]

Why spore when you can ko

[autumn vault]

Terapagos will die in 264776374 turns after 2 calm minds

[autumn vault]

Trigger your opponents

And also fast spores have almost never been thought about

[solid frigate]

All thanks to the Moon

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

So we can have fast spores in and out of sun

also want to know a fun fact?

[solid frigate]

sur

[autumn vault]

1 point away from getting booster energy to affect speed for fast spores

Pretty smart right

[solid frigate]

honestly,why this is somehow sad

[autumn vault]

It does get 1 tapped by a moonblast

[solid frigate]

fair

[cyan smelt]

Why is nobody running ting lu

[autumn vault]

and with tera it can survive hits and ignore fake out

[solid frigate]

i still saw Ting Lus

[autumn vault]

I see a good chunk of ting lu

[willow vault]

Ting lu is definitely still around

[autumn vault]

It is the best calyrex-shadow counter after all

[cyan smelt]

I want to build a team with ho oh, ting lu and amoonguss

[autumn vault]

Then do it

[willow vault]

Interesting

[timber falcon]

after i shiny hunt lunala im going straight for ho-oh

[willow vault]

Double regenerator

[timber falcon]

but i have a different approach'

i like the idea of gastrodon

[solid frigate]

Gastro is good against Kyogre and Urshifu so i get ya

[cyan smelt]

Gastrodon with rilla and ogerpon everywhere?

[willow vault]

What for? A sun team?

[timber falcon]

ho-oh

[autumn vault]

I want to shiny hunt zekrom but i have 10 teams i want to make, beating all 4 routes in FE3H on maddening classic new game, hunt 0 speed iv calyrex ice and Blood Moon, etc.

[timber falcon]

it covers all of ho-ohs bases

and i could get up to life dew shenanigans

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Just 4 teams is enough

[cyan smelt]

Kyogre is just gonna click water spout in front of gastrodon anyway

[willow vault]

I think I have 4 but only 2 complete teams

[autumn vault]

I got 1 complete team, and it is the rental

[timber falcon]

i was in the middle of a lunala hunt but my parents took the nintendo charger for a trip and i couldnt say no cause im technically not allowed to play on my switch rn

[willow vault]

With a very cool restricted

[willow vault]

Oh

[autumn vault]

Thanks for complimenting my favourite restricted

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to crephace

[autumn vault]

Let me guess you are liking Zekrom a lot

[cyan smelt]

Sucks that the only way to hunt lunala is via DAs

[timber falcon]

aso ive just seen tofus rental wtf

[willow vault]

No worries

[solid frigate]

same,i only Completed Terapagos and Miraidon

[autumn vault]

Gravity sleep powders and precipice blades

https://tenor.com/view/nouns-dao-nounish-noggles-glasses-gif-17363264534262240795

[timber falcon]

mhm very interesting idea

[willow vault]

I have a miraidon team and a zekrom team

[timber falcon]

ive got 2 teams with mirai in the making

[solid frigate]

haven't finish Kyogre cuz my Rilla and Incin here have different Sets

[autumn vault]

I got 4 zekrom teams, 1 groudon team, 1 koraidon team, 1 kyogre team, 1 miraidon team, 1 zamazenta team and 1 zacian team

All in showdown

[timber falcon]

also i did try it, but if you save a team in the rentals, you can edit the mons since u have a rental of the team already

[timber falcon]

4 zekrom????

[autumn vault]

3 of them are nearly identical

the 4th is too much support

May the 4th have a lot of supports

[solid frigate]

cool

[timber falcon]

atp surely youd choose the best and get rid of the others?

[autumn vault]

Can't you just use the dock as a charger?

[solid frigate]

ihave 10 versions of Terapagos team with rn is my final one

[autumn vault]

Fuck no

[timber falcon]

dock needs a charger to charge no?

[autumn vault]

Yes, but one of the cables can charge the switch it just has to be docked

It doesn't have to be connected to the TV to charge

[timber falcon]

which cable do i use?

[autumn vault]

The one with the giant charger

Not the HDMI one

[timber falcon]

HDMI?

[autumn vault]

HDMI is not neccesary

[solid frigate]

if i see someone's Kyogre Using Hyper Beam

they really love the Anime Kyogre

[autumn vault]

The charger with the thin cable

[timber falcon]

usb?

[autumn vault]

Yeah that can work

[timber falcon]

aight ill try it

[autumn vault]

Feel free to call me a nerd

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

[solid frigate]

eh-

[solid frigate]

this is just me rn when i see stall

or Koraidon

[autumn vault]

Yes i stole these from Tree co, Monke and Drago

[autumn vault]

Why does Groudon look like a hobo from the basement

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hugs-rickroll-gif-24588121

[solid frigate]

Terapagos and Eternatus really fits the quote of

The boss when you fight against

The boss when they become your friend

[autumn vault]

especially etern

[solid frigate]

yep

Terapagos kinda also apply to that

[willow vault]

fun matchup https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117596501

Sent the wrong link the first time lmao

[solid frigate]

lol

[willow vault]

Outside of araquanid their entire team loses to Landorus, so they didn’t bring araquanid, big brain

[cyan smelt]

Araquanid is mid

[autumn vault]

Damn

[willow vault]

It has its uses

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pokemon-terapagos-eating-gif-2969040560991740670

[cyan smelt]

Love terapagos in the anime

[solid frigate]

its a Turtle that Loves Sweet food

[cyan smelt]

Snacc

[solid frigate]

yep

[cyan smelt]

Pago pago

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-horizons-pokemon-anime-anipoke-pokeani-gif-7708511298992412894

like this is just funny

[cyan smelt]

It's always getting into mischief too

[solid frigate]

idc if this Terapagos is weaker than the Game version rn,its so damn cute

[willow vault]

Terapagos is cool but it’s not the best turtle

[solid frigate]

[willow vault]

[solid frigate]

i feel like Terapagos in the Anime is Female more than Male but still it might be the same turtle in Indigo Disk

boi

[willow vault]

Tortle

[solid frigate]

i need this plush in my room chilling on my desk

[willow vault]

Is there a pangoro or sandshrew plushie?

[solid frigate]

there is i think

[willow vault]

What have they done to my boi?

[autumn vault]

They made him obese

[willow vault]

The sandshrew has to be better then that

[solid frigate]

That is so me

[willow vault]

I know it’s depressing

[mighty stump]

Reminder Indianapolis Regional is today

[willow vault]

Might need to buy that

[autumn vault]

ok

[willow vault]

Oh nice

[solid frigate]

i need to buy Terapagos and Greninja Plush cuz why not 2 of my favourite Pokemon

[mighty stump]

@stray badger Please include a general guideline on how to play your team in #rental_teams

[autumn vault]

That is a reg F team btw

[mighty stump]

Oh

Yeah that’s a no go

On virtue of it being an outdated format

[stray badger]

That's the best part, I have no idea

[willow vault]

I would buy my two favourites but if that’s pangoro I guess I will have to get my favourite and not pangoro aswell

[mighty stump]

I’m gonna remove it

[autumn vault]

Bye bye rental team

[mighty stump]

Sorry guy

[stray badger]

[solid frigate]

i would also Buy Giratina but then again,its not my restricted

[autumn vault]

I would buy a Zekrom and Excadrill plushie, i need them, gib me!

[willow vault]

Well restricteds are cool but Yveltal is my favourite and it’s not in the game

So buying the little fella in sandshrew to just chill out on my desk would be cool

[willow vault]

Great picks

[willow vault]

What site do you find these on anyways?

[stray badger]

Maybe I'll make a Reg G team when Gamefreak lets me or I get a recommendation with non-locked mons

[autumn vault]

I was about to ask the same thing, probably Amazon

[cyan smelt]

I get my plushes from pokemon centre

[solid frigate]

i just find those on Ebay

nvm it cost a lot

[dull ibex]

Incin shifu rilla are the vgc starter trio

[solid frigate]

lmao

[willow vault]

For good reason

[solid frigate]

why not just made Kubfu a Starter lol

[willow vault]

Can you imagine, gen 8 and you get to choose kubfu as a starter

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

And then we get a lvl 30 pokemon with a 550 BST destroying everything

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu

Types

Fighting/Dark

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Other Formes

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Bro looks sad and obese, poor thing

(its pangoro)

[willow vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2117615625 I think they forgot how Urshifu works also tera ground torn threw me off

[solid frigate]

Tera Ground-

w h a t

[willow vault]

That’s what I said

[solid frigate]

4% of People uses it-

[willow vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

also 0.1% of People use Defiant

[willow vault]

I think it’s to get around farigiraf and be able to taunt

[solid frigate]

they basically play without an Ability or its a Physical Torn

[willow vault]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

which is Possible cuz its Attack stat is 115

[willow vault]

Remember when I used defiant Thundurus, weird time

[solid frigate]

lol

at least is 3% of people using it

but what in a god damn mind that some 0.018% of people not using Tera Starstorm

[willow vault]

What?

[willow vault]

What site are you using?

[solid frigate]

munchstats

[willow vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[willow vault]

How are 6.5% of people using miraidon not using electro drift?

[stray badger]

Is there a non-locked team I can make around Kyogre?

[bold geode]

https://rk9.gg/pairings/IND02mCwIuhUMs3NdM7W

[willow vault]

Non locked?

[stray badger]

Shiny locked, like half of the meta mon

[willow vault]

Kyogre, Archaludon, torn, Lando-I would give you a solid start,

[timber falcon]

god some people in cts really are crazy

[willow vault]

Oh yeah

[timber falcon]

i just lost to a god damn choice scarf tera ice tera blast raging bolt

[willow vault]

What

[timber falcon]

honestly wtf have i just witnessed

[willow vault]

That is very strange

[timber falcon]

i tried earth power it and it pulls that shit out

suprise factor merchants

[willow vault]

lmao

[timber falcon]

but ig thats cts for ya

[willow vault]

Yeah

That happens

Now that I think of it that’s probably why that Tera ground torn player turned down ots

[timber falcon]

lul

[solid frigate]

Tf

[willow vault]

Scarf is the most mental thing to me

[timber falcon]

i honestly think when playing on showdown, unless its a short time limit for me im doing bo3

[solid frigate]

that 0.19%

[timber falcon]

just my luck

[willow vault]

We move I guess, not much can be done of that

[timber falcon]

even bo3 is odd

[willow vault]

What do you mean that the meta team rn

You have a good restricted, rillaboom an intimidate user, a support mon and a frog version of Urshifu

[solid frigate]

Inteleon and Ceruledge huh

[timber falcon]

yeah as expected 2-0

though scream tail annoying af

[timber falcon]

to make it worse, it was weakness policy ceruledge

and scarf intelion, which might make sense?

[solid frigate]

WP Ledge is i guess make sense

Scarf Inteleon makes more sense

[timber falcon]

but what was gonna activate it? it had flash fire not weak armour

[timber falcon]

and no priority

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/sobble-pokemon-in-awe-gif-25064262

[timber falcon]

i think dragon cheer intelion makes the most sense tbh

[dapper crag]

Ability: Sniper

If this Pokemon strikes with a critical hit, the damage is multiplied by 1.5.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

mhm beeg damage right there

[willow vault]

It gets dragon cheer?

[timber falcon]

no, use dragon cheer on it

[willow vault]

Could be interesting

[autumn vault]

Wha-

Why is Behemoth Bash so low?

[timber falcon]

iron head turns into behemoth bash

[autumn vault]

Its a Zama crown

[timber falcon]

yeah thats how it worls

[timber falcon]

in game u cant have zama crown, it transforms when sent out im pretty sure

[autumn vault]

True

But that still seems stupid

[timber falcon]

speaking of zama

[autumn vault]

?

[timber falcon]

i ran into one without body press today

[willow vault]

?

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[timber falcon]

i didnt see the 4th move, but it ran coaching, behemoth bash and for some reason, quick attack

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

Pedro!!!

[willow vault]

What would pedro do?

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331

[timber falcon]

also which site is this?

[willow vault]

Munchstats

[autumn vault]

Youtube, it is a GIF

Oh wait that is munchstats

Pedro is from Yotube

[autumn vault]

https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2024regg/1760/Zamazenta-Crowned

[timber falcon]

finally i can steal some more sets pikalytics dissapointing me

oh its is not having the best if times

[autumn vault]

Atleast your restricted is closer to 1% and not 0.00%

[willow vault]

True

[timber falcon]

lol the rank difference

[willow vault]

Is Palkia less used?

[autumn vault]

Zekrom is better than that

[autumn vault]

Let me look

[timber falcon]

0.07

[willow vault]

Palkia is more used than zekrom?

[timber falcon]

ho-oh gaps

[willow vault]

That’s absurd

[timber falcon]

ofc

[autumn vault]

For some reason yes

What happens when 2 pokemon with the same type exist:

[timber falcon]

one is better than the other

[autumn vault]

Imo Zekrom > Bolt

[willow vault]

Zekrom is better, I have used both Zekrom is much more consistent

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

Miraidon > Zekrom > Bolt

[timber falcon]

bolt disrepect is crazy

[autumn vault]

It is true, have you tried it? Trust me it is better

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

Pokémon No. 1021: Raging Bolt

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/73/91/137/89/75

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

versatility though

[autumn vault]

Differences between Zekrom Bolt and Miraidon:
Bolt is a CM/AV abuser that can do solid damage and has very good bulk, it is not a restricted and partners up very well with Fake Out, Sun, etc. It is also very flexible with items and moves like snarl, however if weakened it can be a sitting giraffe and do almost nothing but chip, Draco Meteor if played correctly against it can render a bolt useless, bolt also doesn't like it when people make it's T-Claps not work
Miraidon is a nuke that can do massive amount of damage with Hadron Engine boosting it's special attack by 1.3, electro drift being boosted by e-terrain, specs giving a 1.5 SpA boost, it also gets calm mind and snarl, however electric terrain abusers just aren't that great, best ones for Miraidon are Bundle and Jugulis who are very easy to deal with if you have knowledge against them, Rillaboom with AV can be an absolute nightmare for miraidon as it cant nuke things as easily, other e-terrain setters are pincurchin (who is very bad) and Thundurus (who is wasting a valuable slot for something when it can run other worthwile moves) and Miraidon is standing on a few threads that can snap at any time
Zekrom is a dragon dance abuser that can nuke things very easily and can't be stopped that easily with clear amulet, it is very flexible with teras as fairy, fire and electric all prove to be very good on it (miraidon has fairy and electric and bolt uses fairy and electric), Zekrom also has breaking swipe, tailwind, screens, t wave, Helping Hand, Haze, weather and scary face so it can do a mix support offense role, although i think is better than Bolt Zekrom has proved to be worse than Miraidon but it can change in the future (not likely but this is a funky timeline), Zekrom does not like ground types especially with tera fire and electric

[timber falcon]

bolt solves more problems no?

[autumn vault]

Look at the above

Yes i am a no life

Look at Zekrom's supportive movepool

And offensive movepool

[timber falcon]

i only see 3 of bolt being mentioned

[solid frigate]

Somehow

[timber falcon]

idk man, seems like bias to me, ill try making a zekrom team soon enough to see it through

[solid frigate]

i thought Origin Palkia is weaker

[autumn vault]

Am i a no life?

[willow vault]

Neither are great

[willow vault]

Yes

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/sadly-yes-yeah-embarrassed-agree-gif-15844917

[solid frigate]

but at least Palkia is Slower to offer as a Trick Room Setter
Origin Palkia is not fast enough to what Speed Tier rn

[timber falcon]

for instance, youve mentioned that bolt can be weakened by draco and parting shot ect, however, havent mentioned the benefits of cm and tera fairy

[willow vault]

120 isn’t bad speed

[autumn vault]

I said it is a CM/AV abuser

CM is calm mind

[solid frigate]

still compare to why GF make loads of Pokemon 135 Speed

[timber falcon]

saying abuser doesnt state the benefits

[willow vault]

That’s not a Palkia issue that’s a balancing issue

[timber falcon]

and its mixed with av

[solid frigate]

i need to check on the stats

[autumn vault]

True but it is good enough

[autumn vault]

They have bias for the number 135

And have bias for making grass/dark types

[autumn vault]

I still love this poll (Miraidon)

Also want me to say why i prefer zekrom over bolt?

Because it can go very fast and with clear amulet you can't drop it's speed and with electric type you can't paralyse it

[solid frigate]

i'm gonna vote Deez Nuts just because its funni

[autumn vault]

Bolt and Miraidon usually don't boost their speeds (tailwind is an exception)

[willow vault]

I voted for the lack of good electric terrain abusers

[timber falcon]

mhm they have the same type, however they are ment to do different things no?

[autumn vault]

All of them? Yes

[solid frigate]

Miraidon With Agility:

[autumn vault]

All do different things

[autumn vault]

Ok but which miraidon runs agility?

besides i said usually for a reason

[timber falcon]

bolt stands more of a wall, meant to distrupt the opponent, (im pretty sure)

[solid frigate]

ask Smogon for making Double Dance Set

Still

[willow vault]

Might need to now that I know it gets agility

[timber falcon]

whos using agility with smth with base speed of 135

[autumn vault]

And with insane nuking potential because of e-terrain and hadron engine?

[dapper crag]

Miraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Slam, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Supercell Slam, Take Down, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electro Drift, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Overheat, Parabolic Charge, Power Gem, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confuse Ray, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Miraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[timber falcon]

mhm, just spam elec moves, draco or smth like gleam

[solid frigate]

honestly,why did it learn Agility but Garchomp is due to learn Dragon Dance for so long-

[autumn vault]

Just give it ddance it won't break OU

[solid frigate]

ik the output will be nerf but still

[autumn vault]

Garchomp has swords dance and with tailwind can sweep, if that is balanced then give it dragon dance

[solid frigate]

Drago said Overheat but yeah i think its fine to deal with Caly Ice

[timber falcon]

u turn being that high is crazy