competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

I rather not tera and set up then tera immediately and attack

Or just switch

[chrome knot]

im on caly ice team ..?

[autumn vault]

Also Amoonguss + Calyrex-Ice is stupid

[chrome knot]

i did not tera turn 2

[autumn vault]

I was talking about the opponent

I knew you used calyrex ice

[chrome knot]

that is irrelevant to the question i asked tofu

[autumn vault]

Honestly i am not sure how you could have won that faster

Probably immediate tr

[chrome knot]

i terad to get out of knock off doing 3 million % knowing i could control their terapagos pretty easy under tr

[stray badger]

Who's the person who used the Amoongus?

[chrome knot]

for what

[stray badger]

Also Showdown keeps forgetting which natures I set and now I don't remember which ones I gave them
https://pokepast.es/0e35c40434b9f142

[timber falcon]

Stupid as in good or bad

[gentle badger]

any alternatives to Raging Bolt I can use?

[stray badger]

The Amoongus

[crimson flume]

Was probably a bad idea to cram the season a few hours before it ends. Jesus.

[stray badger]

The one that defeated the transphobe

[autumn vault]

Stupid good

https://pokepast.es/5d117677cdecb210 Is 3 supports too much? I am building another Zekrom team for the 4th time and i am going through the sinistcha path

[chrome knot]

wolfe glick

however neil is better now so i wouldn’t label him as such

[stray badger]

It's the meme

[autumn vault]

And now Amoonguss is a trans icon for some reason

[molten oasis]

Not really looks good

[autumn vault]

Ok

[stray badger]

So I will nickname my Amoongus Wolfie

[chrome knot]

labelling somebody incorrectly not a very good meme i feel

[molten oasis]

He did come out and apologize

[stray badger]

I just wanted a nickname for the funny trans mushroom

[molten oasis]

Well don’t do that

[timber falcon]

Ohok

[autumn vault]

What has he done? I heard he was transphobic but emma's comments make me a bit confused, plus i don't use twitter for mental health reasons

[timber falcon]

Has Neil like, fully retired? I don’t understand much

[autumn vault]

I heard he has stopped uploading

[molten oasis]

He’s taking a year off for therapy

[autumn vault]

Well good for him

[autumn vault]

'

[stray badger]

When EV training multiple mon in the same stat do I need to give the belt to all of them or just the leader?

[bold geode]

Yeah
You're still gonna see people labeling him as a transphobe though
While he has apologized and he has said that he will work on being better, people still remember what he did so
Only time will tell
If he changes, good for him

[autumn vault]

Belt to all of them, all the members recieve the evs

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[chrome knot]

its funny bc two of his closer friends rn are transgender and knew the full scope of the story, doesn’t invalidate what happened but shows twitter will flock to anything with the word transgender used in negative connotation

[autumn vault]

Ngl feels weird seeing so many people with creative PFP's while mine is a dark void

[molten oasis]

Twitter will just go hop on anything remotely controversial

[autumn vault]

I stopped using Twitter for a reason

Good to know it hasn't changed

[chrome knot]

also being in an argument with verlisify is so funny

[molten oasis]

I have it for VGC and that’s it

[chrome knot]

literal human trash

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[timber falcon]

Literally just hopped on his channel a second ago lol. Why do people hate him?

[autumn vault]

That disgusting shit? Yeah he just exposes anyone because he feels like it and blames people around him when he is the issue

[autumn vault]

He exposes anyone for stupid reasons and doesn't do research

[timber falcon]

Like what?

[chrome knot]

parasitic freak that needs to probably be killed

[molten oasis]

Terrible person

[autumn vault]

You can disagree with him in the slightest and he will make a vide exposing you, not kidding

[timber falcon]

Oh he’s calling Wolfe a fraud?

[autumn vault]

Killed is an understatement for him,
Toss him into a +6 Bolt Strike and +6 Blue Flare and then i am agreeing

[autumn vault]

Has been since 8 years ago

[timber falcon]

Lol that’s some determination

[molten oasis]

Calling Wolfe a fraud is crazy

[timber falcon]

Smth about cheating idk

[chrome knot]

zekrom kick (!!)

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/zekrom.gif

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/zekrom.png

[autumn vault]

As a Zekrom stan i always found that cringe, bro doesn't have the feet to do that

[molten oasis]

What is he doing with his hands

A kick makes more sense in a physical sense

[chrome knot]

dude he could so kick

[autumn vault]

Scratching and Swiping (i guess)

[molten oasis]

Yea he’s gonna be kicking lol

[autumn vault]

Kicking makes sense but i prefer lunging into opponents and electrocuting them

You know, it's signature moves

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 643: Reshiram

Types

Dragon/Fire

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/120/100/150/120/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Anywas back to making a Zekrom team with 3 supports

[dapper crag]

Reshiram's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Cut, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Outrage, Payback, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Blue Flare, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rage, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Extrasensory, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Fusion Flare, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Mystical Fire, Overheat, Psychic, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Confide, Defog, Double Team, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Mist, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Reshiram.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Also why do the yin and yang dragons have so many support moves

[timber falcon]

I’ve watched 3 min of that verlisify u guys are talking about to see what’s going on, he seems really angry that people can use rentals?

[autumn vault]

Still an idiot, like always

[stray badger]

I don't know why I never just used an already EV trained mon to train a party

[autumn vault]

Honestly he isn't a manchild, he is a man non-mature child

[lofty tartan]

Like if you're planning on playing VGC, and playing optimal mons and optimal sets, you don't really have room to compromise on what you have and you'll obtain it either by buying the game or holding out hope for a trade.

NGL it's tough to trade for version exclusive one-catch-only paradoxes.

If you're planning on playing this casually, you don't need optimal, and can settle for any other sun abuser/good mon in the slot. Like Incineroar 🤷

[chrome knot]

hes beyond stupid

[stray badger]

Hopefully they'll introduce a way to set EVs to 0 in PLZA or Gen 10

[lofty tartan]

There is a way to set EVs to zero. EV-reduction berries and fresh-start mochi.

If you mean IVs, that's what we said about Gen 9, and then DLC. 🤷

At this point I am not holding my breath for them to introduce a means to set IVs to zero.

[stray badger]

IVs*

[fallen moon]

I’m trying to build team for doubles. (For blueberry academy and some more casual conpetitive) Here is it:

• Chien Pao (tera stellar, focus sash) and Dragonite (normal)
• Ogerpon Hearthflame and Wash Rotom
• Flutter Mane and Indeedee

[stray badger]

I meant IVs, yeah

[fallen moon]

Is this good team for offense

[chrome knot]

LETS GOOOOO

[stray badger]

I don't know who that is

[mighty stump]

High Horsepowr into Incin to be able to pressure Glacial Lance spam without needing to Terastalise, Terapagos was a non-issue at that point

Cause it would have beena 2HKO either way on Terapagos; preferrably you'd be going for multi-KOs

[chrome knot]

i didnt wanna take a 2x knock off

[mighty stump]

With Bolt in the back they had 0 switch in so you wanted to Snowball faster

[chrome knot]

that was the rationale

[autumn vault]

Congrats, i respect you a lot now just because of this

[gentle badger]

I cannot afford to buy both Scarlet and its respective dlc, and and I don't have the remaining storage space for it.

[mighty stump]

I mean with Terapagos at -1; Tera Starstorm is a lot weaker than normal as well due to lack of STAB bonus, FO > HH Incin > Glacial Lance next turn

Saves the Tera as well

Everything else was ok

[chrome knot]

okie okie thank yas

i couldve also instead of hard swap amoonguss parting shot terapagos

for -2SpAtk

[mighty stump]

Also works, but not necessary. I almsot cannot respect a Terapagos at -1/neutral if it was specs

[autumn vault]

Ngl i want to make a twitter account (with the same username) and do this except outright say that his words do not matter at all

[mighty stump]

No point in engaging with a troglodyte like verlis

even if it is to insult him

Any form of interaction with him is more insulting to your own dignity than anything

[autumn vault]

I wasn't planning to, i just said that it makes me want to but i wont

Besides Verlis is an alien or smth

[crimson flume]

I have no idea how my bleakwind storm killed a tera grass archaludon

Must be the type advantage

[autumn vault]

Things just happen, also the type advantage 100% helped tornadus enough to kill Archaludon

[mighty stump]

Archaludon has poor SpDef bulk and improper EVing with AV sets still leads to poor SpDef bulk

[crimson flume]

I thought I was going to lose when my landorus couldn't OHKO with earth power.

Then tornadus ended up doing the job.

Ironic that his terastallization didn't do anything.

Just prevented the inevitable.

[bold geode]

Plus I kinda feel like any attention you give him, even if bad, still gives him a sense of validity
Like he feels like one of those people who just chase any sort of attention

[autumn vault]

True, it can only fuel him to make more content on YT as well, don't forget

The content is exposing you

[bold geode]

Like sure he blocks people who don't agree with him, but like
There's some who even if it's hatez they still be like "it's attention"

[solid frigate]

ummmm what is going on i just been here

[autumn vault]

Discussing a curse to society

[solid frigate]

ok fair

[halcyon garnet]

Where can I find out more information about the competitive aspect of the game? I lose because of my lack of knowledge like grass types ignoring rage powder or dark types ignoring taunt

[bold geode]

Which is kinda messed up but hey
He brings it upon himself

Verlis kinda has his own actions to blame

[autumn vault]

Pedro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verlis

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[lofty tartan]

This is less competitive knowledge and more raw game knowledge and mechanics.

Dark types do not ignore taunt, though, they ignore prankster taunt.

[autumn vault]

How do you summon this?

[solid frigate]

yeah idk how Verlis came up an Idea say Wolfey is a Cheater-

[lofty tartan]

You just provide the message link

[bold geode]

Pins

[lofty tartan]

The message itself is located in pins, you copy message link and post it - the bot does the rest.

[autumn vault]

Yeah ik it came from the pins but why is rotom saying them?

[bold geode]

Cuz everyone who breathes is a cheater to Verlis who gives a fuck

[stray badger]

I still don't remember which natures I had selected https://pokepast.es/0e35c40434b9f142

[lofty tartan]

If you're talking about Verlis, he's winning 🤷

[bold geode]

People know what Verlis has done, he's just a cuck for clout, that's it

[halcyon garnet]

@lofty tartan that's another thing I didn't know and that's an important clarification so thank you

[gentle crag]

dontrustylor has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

It is very important, for sure. I gotchu

[bold geode]

See
Right here lol
Even if it's bad, he's still getting attention

[solid frigate]

yep i lose hope

[autumn vault]

Thanks for the explanation, still a bit unfamiliar with Rotom despite being in the sever since October (Don't ask why i left in January and came back in February)

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika

[lofty tartan]

No prob

[bold geode]

Mika, help me get woman

[lofty tartan]

Huh?

[solid frigate]

lol

[lofty tartan]

Like a girlfriend?

[bold geode]

I need help get woman lol

Yes

[lofty tartan]

[solid frigate]

damn-

[bold geode]

Mika's just like "eeee yeah about that...."

[autumn vault]

Let me rob that pls

I will take a screenshot of it rn

[lofty tartan]

Just be you, and be a confident you. Some women like to fix guys, but those women are in like a power struggle anyway. Don't be a fix-case.

Be invested in conversation.

[bold geode]

Bob the Builder can't even fix me, what she gonna do

[lofty tartan]

The person that fixes you is you. 😄

[autumn vault]

Get the real Pedro, he can fix MonkeVGC

[bold geode]

Fix It Felix is like "I CAN NOT fix this"

[solid frigate]

pfft

[bold geode]

True
Pedro is proven to cure depression

[lofty tartan]

Women like a confident guy that isn't some wounded animal, really. Like it's more attractive if you wrangle yourself and get comfortable with who you are and then seek companionship :]

[willow vault]

Be yourself and try be confident, no point not being true to yourself they will find out how you are as a person throughout a relationship anyways

[autumn vault]

"Why do i fix everything i touch" he did not touch you so therefore he can't fix you unless he smacks you with the golden mini hammer

[lofty tartan]

AND IF YOU AREN'T CONFIDENT just fake it til you make it 😄

[willow vault]

Nice

[crimson flume]

I can go back to bed lol....

[autumn vault]

Congrats

[crimson flume]

I just crammed this season today.

[lofty tartan]

Like I met my wife because I saw her on facebook through mutual friends and messaged her simply because I thought she was attractive, and I told her that.

🤷

[crimson flume]

Thanks guys!

PS - I freak out every time I see archaludon.

Hahahahahaha

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/archaludon-pokemon-nintendo-pokémon-gif-16734536304579141225

[lofty tartan]

Ain't no sense in beating around the bush, Monke. Life is short.

[crimson flume]

[fluid fiber]

When does Reg G release?

[lofty tartan]

Tonight/tomorrow

Tonight Reg F should end on UTC time I think, and then Reg G should go up a little while after, iirc

[bold geode]

Yay
Reg G time
We know what this means

[lofty tartan]

Honse.

https://tenor.com/view/honse-1st-delaware-war-of-rights-1st-de-gif-18969268

[crimson flume]

Time for me to bring out calyrex shadow

[solid frigate]

Yep My Terapagos Team is still not definetive version

[autumn vault]

Monke, as a person that has been annoyed as fuck and threatened several times several years ago, i relaxed more and barely thougt about them after they have been kicked out, plus White 2 is good for me

[bold geode]

My Honse looks weird Mika

[crimson flume]

I heard calyrex shadow is an instant win.

[lofty tartan]

Incineroar is spelled wrong

[autumn vault]

Still typo

[crimson flume]

So calyrex shadow it is.

[bold geode]

Shhhh
Don't tell em

[autumn vault]

Too late

[bold geode]

Mika why does my Honse look weird though

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't call it an instant win. It's probably the most hated-on thing in Reg G because it's so good.

[fluid fiber]

Last time asking for team advice before launch. Any suggestions? https://pokepast.es/8a001e48a52d3a06 ignore EVs

[crimson flume]

Laughs in meta slave

[lofty tartan]

But wanna see something hilarious?

[autumn vault]

If you want screens just use Grimmsnarl over Sableye

[lofty tartan]

0- Atk 0 IVs Murkrow Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-208 (98.2 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

yep

[fluid fiber]

Fake out immunity plus disable and wisp

May swap disable for encore

[charred saddle]

ehhhh

[autumn vault]

Disable isn't that good

You can run wisp on incineroar

[charred saddle]

going max max incin and adamant idk how i feel about that

its so squishy now, usually u kinda wanna run a more support oriented spread

[autumn vault]

And the FO immunity matters but Sableye has worse bulk and is useless after a taunt

Grimm can atleast attack

[lofty tartan]

They said ignore EVs

[fluid fiber]

Said in post but EVs are wrong lol

Just ignore them

[solid frigate]

Should i use Cresselia for Healing or Grimmsnarl for Screens or Both

[charred saddle]

ah okok

[bold geode]

Leo can't read lmao

[charred saddle]

didnt get to see that part

[lofty tartan]

It's okay. It's a typical problem in competitive scenes xD

[autumn vault]

Depends on team comp

[lofty tartan]

You should see assorted TCG players

[bold geode]

Yeah
Reading is hard

[fluid fiber]

Np np I appreciate the suggestion

[charred saddle]

i mean, doesnt seem weird?

[lofty tartan]

Reading is hard. Math is hard. Click buttons.

[fluid fiber]

Yeah I Def wanna stick Sableye for its diversity

[charred saddle]

i like buttons, whats math?

[fluid fiber]

Will swap to encore though

[solid frigate]

Terapagos,Incineroar,Urshifu-Water,Rillaboom/Ogerpon,Tornadus

[bold geode]

But see the difference is Leo's a smelly ass bitch

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-adding-up-calculating-cute-gif-14475367

[autumn vault]

Thinking is hard as well

[charred saddle]

btw i just saw a cool team featured by james baek recently

[autumn vault]

Thinking hard, reading hard and math hard, click buttons

[charred saddle]

sandsear storm specs modest fucking landorus I

[autumn vault]

More recovery would be very nice

[bold geode]

Thinking hard, only Zamazenta

[autumn vault]

Plus Cresselia gets Icy Wind

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/3093b9314f9394ce

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-20050186

[autumn vault]

So you can fit both THEORETICALLY, not sure about execution

[solid frigate]

Remember i have Torn Alr

[bold geode]

Mika my horse is weird, it barks

[lofty tartan]

Get a new horse.

Yours is broken

[bold geode]

What no
It probably just speaks Spanish

[autumn vault]

Get a Honse

[charred saddle]

its a gravnosis team, then it has a specs sandsear storm lando I with ground tera

its so weird seeing this team worked well in the japanese tour and got them to qualify japanese international

[lofty tartan]

Makes more sense - isn't the JP tour CTS?

[charred saddle]

https://pokepast.es/bc2236cb477279ab

[autumn vault]

Yo creo que no habla español Monke (i think it doesn't speak spanish monke)

[lofty tartan]

Like CTS BO1?

[autumn vault]

I never saw Family Guy so i am not sure

[lofty tartan]

It's ridiculous 😐

[charred saddle]

ah ye i forgot the jp tour is cts

[bold geode]

Eh callante pinche cabron

[lofty tartan]

OH LOL I FOUGHT THIS TEAM WITH CALY-I

[autumn vault]

No tu cabron

[lofty tartan]

I just turned on TR and put Ninetales to sleep 🤷

[charred saddle]

[solid frigate]

yep Icy wind On Torn and Thunder Wave with Cresselia

[lofty tartan]

They took like Ninetales, Lando, Yanmega, Indeedee, I think

[solid frigate]

time to do touch trade with someone

[autumn vault]

Por cierto *callate

[bold geode]

No
Tu mama es punta

[charred saddle]

hahah its a funny team

[lofty tartan]

It's funny for sure. Sandsear did a ton of damage.

[autumn vault]

Deja a mi madre en paz señorito

[fluid fiber]

I still can't believe this was my final reg F team

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

for some reason i thought someone brought it to OTS tour and got qualified

[lofty tartan]

They squeezed off one Sandsear before Lando got exploded.

[bold geode]

Fuck I lost
Idk anymore Spanish lmao

[charred saddle]

but yeah i its CTS

[autumn vault]

That looks very funky

[solid frigate]

heh

[lofty tartan]

Like they did Tera Ground in front of Caly-I

[charred saddle]

yeah i dont think they know how to play around with that team haha

[fluid fiber]

It plays so weird honestly

[bold geode]

I will always vouch not to run Sandsear even on rain teams
I have too much bad history with that move

[autumn vault]

Ah Monke, no puedes ganar contra otro español en mi lenguaje, back to english

[molten oasis]

are caly's running tera ground?

[charred saddle]

id say lando would want to be in back for sweep

[lofty tartan]

I'm running Grass for Amoonguss like Dillon is.

[charred saddle]

since its specs and slow, and no speed control except pressure with gravnosis

[autumn vault]

I honestly do, hitting both opponents without missing is too nice to pass up

[lofty tartan]

I haven't seen a Tera Ground Caly-I personally, yet.

[bold geode]

I still like Fire tera so you don't get fucked by Will O

[molten oasis]

i saw one

[autumn vault]

I als don't have bad history with sandsear

[solid frigate]

i saw one

[molten oasis]

it did not like my own caly ice lol

[autumn vault]

I saw several tera water/fire calyrex ice

Never saw another tera

[solid frigate]

Tera Water is more common for me

[molten oasis]

caly ice's tera's are literally fire water and grass

[lofty tartan]

Water is good for defensive tera. I haven't minded Grass really.

[autumn vault]

Fire is more common for me for some reason

[molten oasis]

cuz idt ice is necesary

[lofty tartan]

Being able to get around Amoonguss inside of TR is nice.

[molten oasis]

for sure yea

[autumn vault]

*very nice

Honestly Amoonguss is a pain in the Honse's but

[lofty tartan]

With it surging in use again, seems fine 🤷

[autumn vault]

Yes ik it is pronounced horse

[bold geode]

Yeah but outside of rain, it feels way lower accuracy than it actually is

[molten oasis]

amoonguss is tough for caly ice sometimes

[autumn vault]

Fair point, you do hit both opponents so you're bound to miss

[molten oasis]

you dont inheriently have to trick room first turn

[lofty tartan]

Right

[autumn vault]

Fuck it, Tailroom calyrex ice

[molten oasis]

you can attack if amoonguss is on the field

or just, scout

[lofty tartan]

Yeah exactly. I just wanna push the mushroom out so the path is safer.

[molten oasis]

yea

[autumn vault]

You can use follow me ogerpon but that requires giving up your own mushroom

[solid frigate]

ok now the only one left in the Terapagos Team is Cresselia and i need to touch trade with someone

[molten oasis]

thats a decent trade off tho imo

[autumn vault]

And Spore in tr is too good to pass

But yeah it is a good trade off

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I don't want to dump my own Amoonguss. He's too good.

[molten oasis]

well actually as much as it is good to have fast spore there is also some value in slow spore

more sleep turns for the opponent

[autumn vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

im not saying its bad

its very good

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm still running my 5 Spe Amoonguss right now. I dunno if I'll go farming and outbreak for any other speed values.

If everyone is going 27 then it's gonna oversaturate anyway.

[molten oasis]

idt it needs to be any slower

[lofty tartan]

And it'll be a bunch of speed ties.

[molten oasis]

just needs to underspeed caly ice

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 488: Cresselia

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/70/110/75/120/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

I don't have 27 speed iv mushroom but will get it eventually

Or i can use my 0 speed iv amoonguss

[molten oasis]

i will get one thats slow enough assuming i bring one

[autumn vault]

That is something i do own

[molten oasis]

im honestly fairly fond of miraidon atm

[lofty tartan]

I have a 5 speed shiny Jumbo/Dusk mark, so I use him when I can.

[molten oasis]

nice

[lofty tartan]

He's my baby boy.

[solid frigate]

I belive Miraidon

[molten oasis]

idt miraidion is mid at all like it as a mon itself is pretty strong

[autumn vault]

Society still needs to find the perfect partner for Miraidon

[lofty tartan]

It's Jesus. He saves.

[molten oasis]

i genuinely think its hearthflame

[willow vault]

Ogerpon hearth

[autumn vault]

You both are onto something

[willow vault]

My favourite mom to partner miraidon

[molten oasis]

the main thing that miraidon hates is rillaboom

[willow vault]

Mom? Oh goodness

[lofty tartan]

Hearthflame makes sense. Redirects the stuff that scares Miraidon - pummels weak leads, etc.

[molten oasis]

rilla in return hates hearthflame

[solid frigate]

I slapped Landorus and Entei

[autumn vault]

Enlighten a Zekrom stan, why do you believe hearthflame is best?

[solid frigate]

and Ogerpon H

[autumn vault]

Rillaboom does hat hearthflame

[willow vault]

Kills rillaboom, follow me to redirect unwanted hits

[solid frigate]

destroys Amoonguss and Rillaboom-

[molten oasis]

nukes the fairy and ground types it hates

[willow vault]

And removes amoongus

[lofty tartan]

This. Redirecting a big Moonblast can be clutch.

[molten oasis]

you also have redirection yea

also im doing a golden dragon kind of team

[lofty tartan]

Lets you preserve tera longer.

[molten oasis]

but mirai over dengo

[autumn vault]

I copied Drago's miraidon team and renamed Miraidon purple Zekrom because i stay to my roots

[solid frigate]

So Miraidon,Landorus,Entei,Ogerpon H,Whimsicott and Gholdengo?

[molten oasis]

why entei

[solid frigate]

Inner Focus-

[molten oasis]

oh ig inner focus is nice for rilla/incin

[autumn vault]

No need to run 2 fire types

You only need 1

[molten oasis]

you can run 2 of 1 type its not a big deal

[lofty tartan]

You can easily run two fire types.

[solid frigate]

nah my entei has Other Use

[autumn vault]

True but you only need 1 to fill that role

[solid frigate]

Entei @ Assault Vest
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 52 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Extreme Speed
• Stomping Tantrum
• Snarl

[lofty tartan]

They fill different roles.

[molten oasis]

unless its double steel i think double steel is pretty bad lol

and the roles typically overlap

[solid frigate]

Snarl against Caly S Woohoo

[lofty tartan]

Entei =/= Ogerpon H. They do different things.

[autumn vault]

Ik type repeats are fine but when they have the same role i question it a bit

[molten oasis]

from what ive seen entei is av snarl support

[lofty tartan]

Their similarity is that they have fire typing, but they don't share weakness.

[molten oasis]

more recently

[solid frigate]

thats what my Entei is

[autumn vault]

Snarl Entei ik

[molten oasis]

im not seeing it paired with pao

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/bf400c022d43377d

I will change Miraidon's Moveset later

other 5 are fixed

[molten oasis]

i also am fond of overheat on miraidon

idt gleam does much for it

[autumn vault]

I tested Entei earlier with Pao at the beggining of reg F and they felt a bit underwhelming in master rank

[lofty tartan]

They don't. Lol. Ogerpon Hearthflame and Entei are not sharing roles here if Hearthflame is redirecting. Do you mean share roles in that they attack stuff? Because that should be like 4/6 of your team at least. 3 supports super risky.

[molten oasis]

like, if im gonna go kill a dragon im clicking draco meteor

very few things eat that hit

no idt anything lives a draco assuming its a dragon type

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Draco is gonna beat any raw dragon typing from Miraidon.

[autumn vault]

Btw are 3 supports in a set up team ok? I am building another Zekrom ddance team and i thought of it

[lofty tartan]

I don't like 3 supports.

[autumn vault]

It also has Pao and Urshifu

[lofty tartan]

You're awfully light on things that can close the game when half of your team is support

[solid frigate]

My Miraidon haven't remade the moveset

[solid frigate]

Tell that to Terapagos

[autumn vault]

The team is: Zekrom Incin Sinistcha Grimmsnarl Pao Urshifu-R

Let me get the paste

[lofty tartan]

Incin is a compressed support role that can be offensive in the right case. I'd call him halfway.

🤷

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cd717afc87ef17ec

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna do shit with Miraidon now

[autumn vault]

Here it is

It has offensive pressure and very good support

[solid frigate]

right now i have teams for Terapagos,Miraidon and Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

Like this Terapagos?

[bold geode]

Chat
It's Taco Tuesday

[autumn vault]

Offense: Zekrom Pao and Urshifu who all have solid synergy
Support: Incineroar Grimmsnarl and Sinistcha who all do very good with Zekrom and have all around great synergy

[solid frigate]

i tried Chi Yu and Amoonguss

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-gloog-tuesday-pokemon-gif-17527141248542653940

[autumn vault]

Bro

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/13506624e508a72e

[bold geode]

Sucks to suck

[autumn vault]

I don't have anything life related tomorrow so i am free all day tomorrow

[lofty tartan]

This one is neat too, but again Incin is like offensive support with Fake Out

[molten oasis]

this is a concept i have

pretty much golden dragon but miraidon

[solid frigate]

wait Grass Pon?

[molten oasis]

they just show like that

its wellspring, you can tell by the mask

[solid frigate]

Oh-

fu i forgot-

[lofty tartan]

Welllspring. This was 3rd place in the VGC Trainer School Open

358 players.

[molten oasis]

oh that uhm

the tera grass caly ice won this i believe

[lofty tartan]

You're thinking Victory Road, Drago

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cc6739ae7ce1fd22
https://pokepast.es/dd5c092ba716f5f9
https://pokepast.es/cd717afc87ef17ec
Which Zekrom team is best? The 2nd one will be the rental that will release tomorrow

[lofty tartan]

Michael DerBeste won VGC Trainer School

[solid frigate]

yep this team is gonna fluff me up

[molten oasis]

oh ig not

yea im thinking that lol, cool to see koraidon take a win

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah the Koraidon team is 🔥

[autumn vault]

Why couldn't i find a Walking Wake GIF? It was perfect for this response, fire team

https://pokepast.es/b813569c2aca1b8a This is the Koraidon team i have rn

[molten oasis]

dengo seems to be performing pretty well

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/martinvtran-teamcap-gholdengo-golden-taxation-gif-112524098459904856

[molten oasis]

built different lol

[dull ibex]

Hello

[solid frigate]

that Pheramosa:I AIN'T LOSING WITHOUT ATTACKING

[autumn vault]

In OU it is very hated, i think it is very good, not banworthy imo

Never has been

[molten oasis]

im aware of that hatred

[autumn vault]

Also that team with Gholdengo had a charjabug

[molten oasis]

neat

[autumn vault]

And the 10 year old showdown players would love to disagree

For some reason

[foggy lodge]

i want this shiny so bad😔

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/table-meme-relatable-goofy-ahh-table-fall-gif-26473613

Very relatable

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

Except for the 1st point it describes perfectly the showdown players that are low/mid elo

[torn parrot]

i wonder how the hell that gholdengo got to + 6

[autumn vault]

Baton Pass

[torn parrot]

ohhhh i see

[autumn vault]

Could be the Arceus

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

Fun fact people that played over 50 games and have over 80% winrate can vote, for suspect tests blame them but i support the bans

[molten oasis]

vgc players: fuck it we ball is funny

[solid frigate]

Its funny to Fuck it we ball

[autumn vault]

Me with Non-Meta restricteds:

Fuck it we ball

[molten oasis]

anyway i have to start an essay, bye

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-and-goma-gif-9872673187939618574

[autumn vault]

·

I would like opinions on those teams

[autumn vault]

Fun fact: I was pinged by you so much and it filled 15 pages, yes i chose the weirdest comment but i can explain that one

[solid frigate]

well time to build my Cresselia

[willow vault]

Good luck

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-sign-of-the-cross-best-luck-gif-2212408365439734707

[solid frigate]

it would be funny for Thunder Wave Cresselia

[willow vault]

You want the accuracy issues?

[solid frigate]

[willow vault]

I don’t believe that’s the correct response

[solid frigate]

i once Missed Both Icy Wind,but eh i can try

[autumn vault]

Yeah you can

[solid frigate]

cuz Tornadus has it but i can try use Rain Dance for ANY koraidon mess

[autumn vault]

Good luck while i figure out the best Zekrom set

[dapper crag]

Zekrom's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bolt Strike, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Fusion Bolt, Giga Impact, Outrage, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stone Edge, Supercell Slam, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Charge Beam, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Electro Ball, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Charge, Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Electric Terrain, Endure, Haze, Helping Hand, Imprison, Light Screen, Noble Roar, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zekrom.

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[autumn vault]

Look at that support movepool, it is wild

Especially for a 150 attack mon with ddance

[austere edge]

Not to be dramatic but i'm trying out a Flygon Reg G team and its kinda working?! I feel like i'm missing something though

[crimson flume]

Same here. I was tempted to just skip this ranked season.

But then I was like "What if I cram the ladder to master tier and get the master ribbon for Landorus and Raging Bolt." I achieved just that, and in 2 hours before the season ends too.

[calm narwhal]

Hey guys I am confused as far as I’m concerned there was no tailwind on the field how did kyogre outspeed max speed invested & speed positive nature walking wake ?

[crimson flume]

Back to hibernation mode for me. xD

[calm narwhal]

Is there another item idk know about

[willow vault]

Choice scarf?

[calm narwhal]

He can’t have scarf

He had protect and was doing different moves

I am so lost I feel like I shoulda at least had another turn to battle and I’m a little butt hurt about it

Unless I somehow miscounted the turns of tailwind

That must of been the reason idk

[willow vault]

Probably still had tailwind

[calm narwhal]

Stinks but such is life I made a lot of mistakes that game

[willow vault]

It happens don’t be too bummed about it

[calm narwhal]

Thank you I appreciate it

I can’t wait for reg g to get under way

[solid frigate]

time to gamble

[molten oasis]

Tailwind literally had to be up

There is no way kyogre can outspeed a wake otherwise

[rustic mountain]

reg g starts tn right?

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Team complete

[solid frigate]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

gta ev and tera my team out

[solid frigate]

wait does rental code stay even your battle team is disassembled?

[bold geode]

Should as long as you are still sharing the code

Although if you make modifications to said rental and put it in said battle team, you'd have to share it on a separate slot and a different code to have it updated

[rustic mountain]

murray hitting two game winners in the same series:

[bold geode]

Wish I was home rn
I'd love to fuck up the Reg F in game ladder one last time

[bold geode]

Did the Nuggets fuck the Lakers?

[rustic mountain]

lakers are out

[bold geode]

Damn

[bold geode]

Also I forgot about worry whale lmao

[solid frigate]

ah ok thanks

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[rustic mountain]

too many mistakes against a great team

[bold geode]

Yeah

Well
Go Mavs

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[bold geode]

Apparently I saw Stephen A Smith talking shit about D'Angelo Russell

[rustic mountain]

oh for sure

he destroyed him after g3 i think

he went like 0-9 or something

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna just slap my Terapagos's Team on Rental and Call it a day

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Damn
Is D'Angelo actually booty with the Lakers again?
Or is Austin Reeves just that guy

[rustic mountain]

he had a good year

he just sucks vs the nuggets

they have too much length

[bold geode]

Oh so he choked under pressure

[rustic mountain]

p much

[bold geode]

Sad

[rustic mountain]

reaves came alive later in the series

he wasnt that great either first cppl games

[bold geode]

Oh I see a lot about Reaves

[rustic mountain]

wat they really need is a true 5 so ad can play the 4

thats wat they did wen they won in 2020

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
I forget AD is a Power Forward

[rustic mountain]

lmao

dude is jus a beast so he could play center but yea hes a natural pf

[bold geode]

Oh yeah cuz they had McGee and Drummond right

[rustic mountain]

mcgee and howard

rondo, kcp (now on the nuggets), caruso that was a good squad

[bold geode]

Yeah

You know what disappointed me
Kristaps on the Mavs

[rustic mountain]

i think the mistake is ppl thinking he could be a consistent 2nd option

hes a great 3rd option that can be a good 2nd option every now and then

also injuries

[bold geode]

Just for him to be a consistent cast holder (injury type beat)

[rustic mountain]

unfortunate cuz hes talented

[solid frigate]

ok time to make the Assemble the Miraidon team

[rustic mountain]

prolly should stop being off topic here tho

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Eh nah

Tree you know where we are lmao

Yeah no I hope Mavs can make a run

[rustic mountain]

wcf is their ceiling but who knows

they are a dark horse to make it to the finals

[bold geode]

Oh wow

[rustic mountain]

yea jus dont feel comfortable going off topic for too long in a channel i dont help manage

[bold geode]

No faith in my Mavs Tree

[bold geode]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

if u think they have a shot at the finals rn idk wat to tell u, theyd need a lot to go right

[bold geode]

Lemme cope man

[rustic mountain]

they arent far off but not yet

[bold geode]

Hey look at it this way
At least I'm not a Pistons fan

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Or hell even rn a Suns fan lmao

[rustic mountain]

they were talking mad shit a few years ago

lets take the rest to dms tho lol

[bold geode]

Lol

[solid frigate]

done the Rental cuz idfk why i give AV Incin Parting Shot lol

[polar canyon]

Tera draining kiss calyrex hurts so much wth

It's illegal for a 50 bp move to hurt that much

[solid frigate]

Reg G is happening

is it?

[strange fjord]

soonish no?

[solid frigate]

Should be

Like its not loading for me

[next stump]

normally ladder change happens at like 11PM est

[solid frigate]

ok so its like 2-3 AM for UK got it

[strange fjord]

he lost the bo3 to munchlax right after.

[solid frigate]

Send me the Replay lol

[strange fjord]

i goofed up a few times
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2115120732?p2

[cyan smelt]

Imagine losing to munchlax lol

[strange fjord]

but still won lol

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Gang Unite

[strange fjord]

was trying to get my alt up as high as my main. i wonder how people feel when i win with munchlax

[solid frigate]

lol

[strange fjord]

but been liking terapagos quite a bit

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-autism-creature-gif-5994125894939564203

[cyan smelt]

Is hisuian zoroark good?

[strange fjord]

depends on the team but I really enjoy it. usually to support terapagos with damage reduction with either wisp, snarl, or preventing moves like spore with taunt.

good calyrex shadow hitter of they think its sinistcha and try to astral barrage into the normal type

[cyan smelt]

Nice to be immune to astral barrage while also being able to hit caly s with shadow ball too

[strange fjord]

when its a calyrex shadow team, usually like to disguise as sinistcha to bait the astral barrage.

in a bo3, mind games are real. especially if bring the same leads

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2115157237-hhcea7e15o7nz1ox3c72d7fs6zbekqqpw
Terapagos:Dude

what is his obssession with OHKO moves-

[strange fjord]

that team has been making rounds

[cyan smelt]

Idk why that guy uses gloom

[strange fjord]

https://x.com/nintindall64/status/1785350796533440834

Tindall64 (@nintindall64) on X

VGC ladder rn

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 4:49 PM

https://x.com/VelocityVGC/status/1785357770772119928

Grant W. (@VelocityVGC) on X

Greatest honor of my life was having gloom guy call my team sick

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 5:17 PM

gloom guy got famous

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Me:Terapagos,beat em

[solid frigate]

i am confused,Like that team why Horn Drill-

[strange fjord]

https://x.com/AtrixMJ/status/1785277042071621664
apparently real gloom guy is high ladder

MJ (@AtrixMJ) on X

YALL WEREN'T KIDDING WTF JUST HAPPENED TO ME LMAO

Twitter · Apr 30, 2024, 11:56 AM

[solid frigate]

oh

[cyan smelt]

He calls every team he plays sick though

[solid frigate]

funny cuz i think the person i faced is not that guy

[cyan smelt]

Probably not

[solid frigate]

cuz i just washed them and he did not even Use Lunala

[strange fjord]

copycats on ladder rn

[solid frigate]

yep

the fact he taunted My Terapagos but not Cresselia

Also Terapagos Cresselia is kinda Decent Duo

[cyan smelt]

What about amoonguss cresselia

Oops I mean amoonguss terapagos

[solid frigate]

I think they both are similar style,Except That Cresselia's Bulk is just-

Self Explanatory

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 488: Cresselia

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/70/110/75/120/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.27.1

[cyan smelt]

Except against caly s

[solid frigate]

yeah thats the Problem

[solid frigate]

But Ogerpon Decimates Amoonguss and it would be Popular

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Cresselia: 134-158 (59 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

What about tera ghost

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Cresselia: 180-212 (79.2 - 93.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 76+ SpD Cresselia: 176-210 (77.5 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

“The Existence of Calyrex is the Sole Reason Mienshao isn’t Flipping Burgers Right Now”

—Moxie Boosted,2024

I love this quote

[cyan smelt]

Hate mienshao and calyrex

[solid frigate]

the Quote is Funni tho

[cyan smelt]

Yeah

[knotty briar]

I was 1 win away from master ball tier when the season ended...

My pride...

[solid frigate]

Fs in the chat man..

[near crag]

Im trying to figure out the best Tera type for zacian, but I really don’t know if the best answer is a defensive one or fairy. The best defensive Tera seems to be either dragon or water, but both fall into the same problem, that is miraidon. But fairy doesn’t start resisting any of the types zacian takes super effective damage from

[solid frigate]

Dragon?

[knotty briar]

The team I was using

[solid frigate]

Dragon Resist Electro Drift and Zacian has Fairy STAB so i don't think thats a HUGE Problem

[knotty briar]

Does the sword doggo outspeed the motorcycle tho?

[solid frigate]

it does

[knotty briar]

Zacian is disgusting

[solid frigate]

Miraidon is 135
Zacian is 140+

[cyan smelt]

Zacian is incineroar bait

[knotty briar]

I hate it SOOOOO MUCH

[near crag]

Not rly sure in my case, bc I’m running 164 speed + modest

[knotty briar]

I played gen 8 nat dex ag
Zacian every friggin game...

[lofty tartan]

Zacian is having a lot more problems in Reg G. Definitely not as bad as it was in Gen 8

Not getting a +1 on every switch in is a big deal.

[knotty briar]

Can GameFreak nerf Calrex next please lol

[lofty tartan]

Meh.

0- Atk 0 IVs Murkrow Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-208 (98.2 - 118.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

Zacian is good In Singles cuz there is no other threats that can really stop it

[near crag]

Calyrex is just stupid now, even more with mienshao

[lofty tartan]

There's counterplay. 🤷

[solid frigate]

“The Existence of Calyrex is the Sole Reason Mienshao isn’t Flipping Burgers Right Now”

—Moxie Boosted,2024

[near crag]

But back at zacian’s tera, what’s your opinion on that?

[lofty tartan]

Who?

[near crag]

Anyone

[solid frigate]

Dragon

[knotty briar]

I'd honestly go with fairy...
I can't believe I'm giving advice to a Zacian user...

[solid frigate]

also Rillaboom exists

[lofty tartan]

Highest ranked Zacian in the recent VGC Trainer School event was Stellar.

[knotty briar]

Just saw the reg G available mons and was screaming no for a solid minute...

[lofty tartan]

[solid frigate]

what-

its basically Every Box Art+DLC2 Legendary

But not Gen 6

[lofty tartan]

People spend way too much time complaining about the things available that they usually forget they're perfectly capable of running the same things.

Like there's nothing stopping me from playing Calyrex and Urshifu 🤷

[solid frigate]

My team is flipped-

[lofty tartan]

Lol whaat

[knotty briar]

I don't think this can make it through reg G

[lofty tartan]

If you're not playing a Restricted in Reg G, then no, you won't have a good time.

[solid frigate]

if i fight you i would be so dead lol

[lofty tartan]

I'm just playing Calypper 🤷

No big deal.

[knotty briar]

I've been using trick room ursa since home came out...

[solid frigate]

Yeah thats mine

[solid frigate]

yeah my team would be slapped by Caly Ice

[lofty tartan]

Considering Clear Smog over Sludge Bomb 🤷

[solid frigate]

but if that Incin has no Knock Off..... i might have a slight chance

[lofty tartan]

Amoonguss is actually fairy for Bolt.

[solid frigate]

huh

[lofty tartan]

The team in-game has Knock over Snarl.

I was just kinda looking at stuff

[solid frigate]

ok nvm

[lofty tartan]

I'm on the fence about it.

[cyan smelt]

Amogus

[solid frigate]

Wait why i have the Old version of the rental-

[lofty tartan]

And yeah, Fairy Amoonguss into Bolt is really nice. No worry about Meteors.

[solid frigate]

New Version of it lol

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the more I look at Terapagos, the more I like Clear Smog.

[solid frigate]

yeah i am screwed

[lofty tartan]

Break that Shell and get rid of buffs. Pretty good.

[knotty briar]

Clear smog is definitely great

[cyan smelt]

Does clear smog work even if the target has clear amulet

[solid frigate]

it works

[lofty tartan]

It resets stat changes - it doesn't lower stats.

[knotty briar]

It removes stat changes rather than lowers them

[lofty tartan]

So positive AND negative stats are normalized.

[solid frigate]

Haze and Clear Smog basically did the same thing

[lofty tartan]

Like if I intimidate your mon and you calm mind, your -1 attack is zeroed, and your +1 spA/spD is zeroed after clear smog

[solid frigate]

unless i taunt Amooguss but then again,Switch in exists

[cyan smelt]

Why aren't you using comfey to heal terapagos

[lofty tartan]

^Real questions

Comfey or Clefairy are really good Terapagos partners, I feel.

Triage sorta brutal

[solid frigate]

gotta be honest,i am not comfortable on Comfey and Clefairy

i tried before

[lofty tartan]

Clef reduces damage to Terapagos even further, provides redirection, has heal pulse/life dew. It's spicy.

Also bulky as hell with Eviolite.

[cyan smelt]

Floral healing gets boosted in grassy terrain

[lofty tartan]

Can confirm - boosted Floral Healing is unfair.

[knotty briar]

Ok who should I swap for Calyrex-ice

[lofty tartan]

You can't just make a 1-1 swap there. You need to properly support Caly-I

Caly-I and Farigiraf are best friends forever.

Incineroar is much needed into Caly-S

Amoonguss is fine here.

I also like BM Ursa with Caly-I

[knotty briar]

Doesn't cress do the same thing as farigiraf?

[lofty tartan]

BIG pressure

[lofty tartan]

Not nearly.

Farigiraf has Armor Tail. It prevents priority to you and keeps yours available.

So they can't Fake Out to stop your Trick Room

[knotty briar]

Ah right

[lofty tartan]

But you can Fake Out and TR

[solid frigate]

and you can build Fari Offense if you want but rn idk

[lofty tartan]

Honestly the Pelipper/Ursh dual mode has been so incredibly good.

I've got it like midway offense/bulk.

[knotty briar]

I use cress mainly for trick room and lunar blessing

[lofty tartan]

Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 244 HP / 76 Def / 76 SpA / 108 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Foul Play
• Psyshock
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[mighty stump]

nust restructure that, get rid of kommo for Caly

then incin for kingambit

[lofty tartan]

^

[mighty stump]

easy

[lofty tartan]

Yeah restructure is a good way to put it.

[knotty briar]

Ok
Caly ice is the only restricted mon that uses trick room so that's why I was asking

[mighty stump]

clear amulet/tera water

[lofty tartan]

Dialga and Palkia are usually TR mons, but they're better in double restricted.

You see a lot of Lunala with TR lately.

[solid frigate]

Caly Ice is Only Trick Room Restricted to be Consistent on it
Lunala is second most?

[lofty tartan]

Every time I personally saw Dialga and Palkia across my research on Gen 8 - they were usually TR

I saw a lot of Diagla/Ice Rider

[mighty stump]

Wouldnt even say lunala is a TR mon it just has TR

Dialga is more TR

[cyan smelt]

I used Dialga lunala in gen 8

[mighty stump]

So yea

[lofty tartan]

The teams it plays in are interesting. I like Lunala.

[mighty stump]

What Barbie said

[lofty tartan]

Like this is cool

[mighty stump]

Necrozma Dawn Wings hit 1st on Bo3 ladder btw

[knotty briar]

What item should I give incin?

[lofty tartan]

That's neat - the Necrozma thing.

Goggles is pretty easy to put on Incin - especially if you swap Goggles Gambit for it

[mighty stump]

Goggles

[knotty briar]

Ok thanks

Fake out and parting shot are guaranteed, but should I run both knock off and flare blitz or should I replace one with protect?

[lofty tartan]

It's fine to run without protect on Incin.

Fake Out/Parting/Knock/Flare Blitz is really typical

You can also play Snarl

There's Wisp too, for the Clear Amulet users

[knotty briar]

Gotcha
I have glacial lance, zen heatbut and protect for caly so far
Any suggestions?

[lofty tartan]

Glacial Lance, High Horsepower, Protect, Trick Room

HH gets through the Fire/Steel types that get in your way.

[knotty briar]

Ah gotcha

Max attack and and what else should I put for evs

[lofty tartan]

I'm just running max attack/max hp right now, with the remainder in SpD

[knotty briar]

That's what I figured

[foggy lodge]

Huh

I've been using a Lunala Psyspam team

[next stump]

its really good, i've been running it after i stole it

very helpful for kyogre/archaludon as well

and opposing caly-i

[mighty stump]

Clear Amulet making it come back

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/aea3ce878f193772

[knotty briar]

I've actually never used incin, just incin counters so I have no idea how to ev this thing

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'm probably just gonna pull the trigger on Smog, Dillon. Seems too positive.

[quaint knot]

When will new season start?

[mighty stump]

It also works on Covert Cloak Turtle as well

So

[lofty tartan]

I've liked Sludge Bomb but it's just another out.

[knotty briar]

Tomorrow

[lofty tartan]

This is a huge factor.

[mighty stump]

Btw Mika if I passed you a Groudon do you think you can help me put together a Rental at some point

[lofty tartan]

Oh 100%

I have 21k BP and like 9m Pokedollars.

[mighty stump]

Im pressed for time content wise and could use the help

[foggy lodge]

In a few hours right?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah not a problem whatsoever, buddy.

[mighty stump]

Thanks

[knotty briar]

Should I run max bulk on incineroar or should I also invest in attack

[lofty tartan]

Anytime

[mighty stump]

Ill send you a set

[lofty tartan]

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 236 HP / 116 Def / 156 SpD
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

That's what I'm using 🤷

I've also used uhhh

Ability: Intimidate  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 68 Def / 156 SpD / 44 Spe  
Careful Nature  
- Flare Blitz  
- Parting Shot  
- Will-O-Wisp  
- Fake Out  ```

[foggy lodge]

At the early meta i teambuilded without thinking in Amoonguss because i thought it was going to fall

And it worked because i didn't got punished by that but now i'm seeing a lot of Amoonguss lol

[lofty tartan]

Never count out the mushroom

[mighty stump]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry / Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass / Poison
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Atk / 100 Def / 156 SpD / 12 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off / Snarl / Taunt

[solid frigate]

well,definently would not lol,its still very good

[mighty stump]

this works too

😎

[knotty briar]

I put an entire team to sleep today because they wouldn't respect the shroom

[lofty tartan]

Yeah they're really close - outspeeds other Incins

[mighty stump]

I didnt have access to my new Incin spread

Which is the 44 Spe one

[lofty tartan]

Oh?

[mighty stump]

So I just sent the blog one

[lofty tartan]

I'm thinking of going back to the 44 spe

[mighty stump]

So exactly the same as the one u have

[lofty tartan]

Probably gonna do that for season change tonight

[mighty stump]

I prefer the spe

[lofty tartan]

The wife bought me a new gamepad - gotta break it in 😎

[mighty stump]

Tekken?

[lofty tartan]

Nah - I have a legit fight stick for Tekken

Just a new wireless switch gamepad. It's really nice - has great heft

[mighty stump]

Neat

[lofty tartan]

I have BIG hands

[knotty briar]

Since I'm using a trick room team I'll probably use this one, but with tera grass or water

[mighty stump]

I’ve been thinking about getting my switch changed at some point

[lofty tartan]

Tera Ghost is great.

Tera Grass is great too.

[mighty stump]

I have the limited edition MHRise switch

[lofty tartan]

oooo that's sweet.

[mighty stump]

Its been showing its age

Joycons no drift but not responding as much when docked

[lofty tartan]

I just have a regular Switch but I got those Gengar Split Pads when I went to Pittsburgh Regionals

[mighty stump]

Hori?

[lofty tartan]

Had to represent the Gengar.

[mighty stump]

Nice

[lofty tartan]

Yuh. Hori is 🔥

[mighty stump]

I want the uhh

[lofty tartan]

We love Hori pads in this house

[mighty stump]

What are the light up ones

FunLab

[lofty tartan]

FunLab is decent

This was uhhh PDP Wireless

[knotty briar]

Oh you wanna see showing age?
This is age!

[lofty tartan]

This is the one she got me - because I have Violet

[molten oasis]

That’s a cool controller

[lofty tartan]

She got herself the white one

[knotty briar]

Ayo niiiiiiice

[lofty tartan]

It feels really nice. Heavy and sturdy. Fits my hands perfectly.

Again, BIG HANDS

[mighty stump]

Thoe LEDs or just design?

[lofty tartan]

LEDS. Programmable.

[mighty stump]

Sick

My hands are like

[molten oasis]

Like iron hands?

[mighty stump]

Pretty big as well

[knotty briar]

Dude that's a friggin awesome controller

[lofty tartan]

40 hours of battery life too

USB-C connection

[mighty stump]

Funnily enough right

big hands fall under two categories

[lofty tartan]

LOL

[mighty stump]

I actually have “short” or avwrage fingers

but I just have massive palms

[lofty tartan]

I have large square palms, and long slender fingers.

[mighty stump]

Like my finger length is equivalent to my gf’s

[lofty tartan]

Piano hands.

[molten oasis]

So like, iron hands? ill stop

[lofty tartan]

I can bend my fingers over my wife's if we're palm to palm xD

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-spongebob-drums-joke-ba-gif-22902854

[lofty tartan]

She's almost as tall as me, too

[molten oasis]

Gotta go back to work anyway just peeking in

[lofty tartan]

I have big hands and big feet 👀

[mighty stump]

Any input delay on those?

[knotty briar]

Hey can caly ice run any tera other than water?

[lofty tartan]

I haven't seen a delay yet. Already tested it on Violet.

[mighty stump]

Fire/Grass

[lofty tartan]

So I'm pretty happy with it - and 40 bucks was a good price

[knotty briar]

I just realized I have 3 tera water on my team and that just doesn't sit right

[mighty stump]

doesnt matter

tera is situational

based on the individual mon

[lofty tartan]

^

[knotty briar]

Lemme rephrase that
Bothers me mentally

[mighty stump]

Oh

[lofty tartan]

I've played teams with like 4 tera water.

When in doubt, make it Suicune

[knotty briar]

Ok that's way too funny to deny

[lofty tartan]

While Suicune goes like Grass/Ghost

[mighty stump]

Well id honestly encourage trying to ignore it; I get it though, sometimes when structuring my team thumbnails

I have to make the members ordered in such a way the Tera colours display nicely

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah man it looks weird as hell and you're like "omg this has to be wrong"

But we run it back

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/devoncorppress/status/1785475979831287876?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

DevonCorp (@DevonCorpPress) on X

The grind doesn’t stop, we’ll be featuring some fantastic Reg G content from @WoodTofuVGC starting tomorrow!

Be ready 🔥

Twitter · May 1, 2024, 1:07 AM

Its happening

ITS HAPPENING

[knotty briar]

Ok so I'm not the only who thinks that lol

Ok this is the team
Now to prepare it

[mighty stump]

Ogerpon needs Speed investment

[knotty briar]

I'm doing bulk because of follow me

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 36 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

[mighty stump]

Then it shouldn’t have 252+ atk

[solid frigate]

needs to be faster than Lando I

[mighty stump]

Sometimes the best defensive play is to be able to offensively threaten the opponent

[knotty briar]

And this ogerpon has carried me through so many matches that I don't have it in me to change it

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1723788553857974368?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner) on X

This Ogerpon-Wellspring Set Will Bring You Out of Retirement
Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 84 Def / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech/Grassy Glide
• Follow Me…

Twitter · Nov 12, 2023, 7:43 PM

[solid frigate]

the bulk is not enough

[mighty stump]

Also an older but functional thorough breakdown of a good set from a good player

[solid frigate]

Yep thats Reg E's Ogerpon

[mighty stump]

I’d try to get out of the “if it works don’t change it” habit early

Considering the whole game is about finding an edge in microadjustments

[solid frigate]

also the more i look at that Ogerpon EVs,I just can see how it would die easily-

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1743158953763054052?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Also the faster variant

Also with a lack of full HP investment you’re actually sacrificing SpDef bulk overall

[knotty briar]

I gotta go
@mighty stump @lofty tartan thanks for the help

[gentle crag]

bman54319 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu, dazedmika

[white parcel]

Does anyone know what time Reg G starts?

[solid frigate]

should be close now

[polar nest]

i went to the kitchen but my question is did i burn it https://pokepast.es/ca9cbab8c0ce2dc8

[solid frigate]

4 Electric types damn

[polar nest]

4 flying tho

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/my-treasure-makes-chapati-minnie-mouse-cooking-messy-kitchen-dont-know-how-to-cook-gif-15278489

[polar nest]

frick

[solid frigate]

4 flying tf-

2 of them are flying

[polar nest]

i ment 2

[solid frigate]

aalso yes i agree with Dillon,its burnt-

[polar nest]

oops

what should i change?

so in my opinion if i just use the most meta team or threats, thats boring

so i always have 1 or 2 uu's

at least

well imma head to bed

i can make tweaks tmrw

[polar nest]

lmao

im dumb and new but i know how op caly ice is

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[solid frigate]

yep. classic.

[true niche]

I want to play with restricted legends but I don't want play against incineroar and amoongus

I be sounding like a scrub 😂

[rustic mountain]

pog

[rustic mountain]

they r gna b on like every other team

[solid frigate]

well amoonguss not for miraidon

[rustic mountain]

huh

[mighty stump]

Maximum synergy bait

[solid frigate]

remember when electric terrain cancels sleep-

[rustic mountain]

idk y ur bringing up miraidon to me wen i was just responding to tony saying that incin and amoongus are gna be common

[mighty stump]

imagine being pee-coloured

[rustic mountain]

drink more water

[solid frigate]

stay hydrated-

[molten oasis]

Maybe you should drink more water

[polar canyon]

Honestly I really don't like fake out pressure when using a fast volt switch pivot

It's like incin rilla teams show up more when I play miraidon

I know it's some psychology thing

[rustic mountain]

did i strike a nerve?

[polar canyon]

Things are more noticeable when they're bad or something

Yeah pee shouldn't be too yellow

Ur dehydrated

[mighty stump]

pee shouldn’t be clear either mythbusted

[polar canyon]

When did I say it should be clear

[rustic mountain]

again i wasnt talking about miraidon, idk y torrent brought that in

[mighty stump]

When did I say it’s in direct response to you rather than an overall value-adding sentence in a public channel

[rustic mountain]

also most good miraidon teams ive seen have incin on them

[molten oasis]

Yea pee should be like, lightish yellow

[polar canyon]

Real

[molten oasis]

Ok but like, most teams have incin

[polar canyon]

We discussing piss in the pokemon chat