competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

Built to live a flare blitz non-tera from koraidon in sun

Fire punch to OHKO some calyrex ice

[solid frigate]

i just lead with Grimm-

[vestal elk]

ye

grimm sets up those

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (40 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider in Sun: 60-72 (28.9 - 34.7%) -- 4.6% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Groudon Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider in Sun: 112-134 (54.1 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No wait i am wrong

100% does after an SD

[mighty stump]

ya idk when Caly Ice is gonna be eating a Fire Punch for free anyways when PBlades is always the better Neutral post setup, Heat Crash is way better into things like Amoonguss/Bulky Flutter/Rilla

[autumn vault]

tera is a thing

[mighty stump]

and in no universe does Fire Punch OHKO something like Caly Ice

Wow “Tera is a thing” lemme just blow a precious single-use per game resource

[autumn vault]

+2 252+ Atk Groudon Fire Punch vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider in Sun: 224-264 (108.2 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Neutrally, correct

Which is why i refered to tera

[mighty stump]

+2

Ok

[autumn vault]

I said neutrally, correct, as in without an SD

[mighty stump]

I’m not gonna bother doing a back and forth with you cause 9/10 times it’s also pointless

[autumn vault]

With an SD no, but in tr calyrex would definetely murder groudon before it gets off a big attack

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 152-180 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 224-266 (108.2 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Now that i patched up some things, i think i will start testing

[chrome knot]

wdym you dont wanna play text chat pokemon

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112681060 Well, atleast i don't have to worry about calyrex-shadow

[cyan smelt]

They wasted all that time setting up and didn't tera wtf

[autumn vault]

1100 players are questionable

Also 3 supports is too much for a team

[cyan smelt]

They should've teraed immediately after the nasty plot

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Shadow is not a win condition on it's own

[autumn vault]

true

[cyan smelt]

Maybe they were tera ghost

[autumn vault]

true

Tera ghost isn't great for it, especially since there are a lot of dark types being used rn

[cyan smelt]

Fairy is best for it

[chrome knot]

or rain dance t1

[cyan smelt]

That's what I thought they were going to do

[autumn vault]

No rain dance

[chrome knot]

expecting 1100s to be smart is a little ambitious

[cyan smelt]

They wasted a turn of tw

[autumn vault]

At one point i was 1400 elo with kyogre

Zekrom and Kyurem-B made me fall a bit

But i am picking it back up

[cyan smelt]

I got as high as 1457 with ho oh

But it needs a lot of support to work

I think amoonguss is its best friend

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump who you got winning the self glaze off

[autumn vault]

I can tell, i saw you make a lot of comments about Ho-Oh

[cyan smelt]

It doesn't do well against miraidon or kyogre

[dull ibex]

vc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh7-szetfuY gonna try this rental

[autumn vault]

no

[dusty berry]

Hello I am new to the server I was wondering how do I get pokemon into pokekom into pokemon scarlet I'm just trying to complete the pokedex

[chrome knot]

that is the ugliest looking lilligant set ever

[dull ibex]

true

[autumn vault]

No after you? Bad

[cyan smelt]

Hisuian lilligant still good then?

[autumn vault]

Also where 4 evs

[dull ibex]

what? what do I need after you for

after you is very specifically for torkoal teams

[autumn vault]

For your slow teammates to go first most of the time, plus that was a small joke

[chrome knot]

incorrect

[dull ibex]

its not incorrect

[autumn vault]

But after you is still very good

[dull ibex]

It can do other things when its there for sure its a great move

[autumn vault]

You have experience with lillikoal so i will believe you

[dull ibex]

but its there for torkoal

[autumn vault]

Not just Torkoal

[dull ibex]

okay whatever agree to disagree

[chrome knot]

it is best for torkoal but helps literally everyone

slower than 300spe

[dull ibex]

anyways give me just a second ill have a revised team in a second

its going to be just as cursed LMAO

[autumn vault]

or 344 spe

which is Lilligant's speed in sun

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[chrome knot]

so yeah id after you to all hell here vs anything that i have potential to kill first if i were just a tiny bit quicker

and its a mind game of what can lilli do here

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/37ee502e0bcd83bf

there you go revised team

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-what-da-hell-little-big-planet-what-ayo-what-gif-13768843195184919620

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[next stump]

i’ve seen multiple urshifu’s on high ladder run coaching as their 4th move with a choice scarf set

[foggy lodge]

Like the restricted has to give you something special to the team

[next stump]

that’s kinda sick…

[foggy lodge]

Reshiram imo is one of the worst restricteds because

It only gives you 3 attacks + protect

[dull ibex]

im not sure its completely optimal tbh but its close enough

I like the flutter set tbch

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112695720 me when I click imprison

[chrome knot]

wait thats kinda valid af

which move gets dropped?

[foggy lodge]

I think i saw this team yesterday on a stream

[next stump]

aqua jet/spinner

that slot

[dull ibex]

🤔

its from thatsaplusone

[next stump]

so you can just boost up your calyrex/rilla/whatever

[charred saddle]

what tha fuack

coaching shifu

[autumn vault]

Why am i seeing so many calm mind/Nasty plot calyrex shadow?

[chrome knot]

had a feeling yeah, thats pretty neat

[autumn vault]

Giratina is the worst

Beaten by so many things in the meta

Reshiram atleast gets good STABs and typing

And also better moves

[dull ibex]

yeah im not sure I get how to play these teams I can chose a team and stick to it but what is the most simple archetype in the format rn?

[gentle badger]

Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
Eruption/Protect/Overheat/Solar Beam
Fire Tera```
this a good Torkoal set, or nah?

[autumn vault]

Calyrex-Shadow spam

[dull ibex]

I can try that

[chrome knot]

no thats kinda awful

[autumn vault]

No need to summon the black square

[chrome knot]

Eruption/Heatwave/Earth Power/Weather Ball

@ Specs

actually eh not rly

prob the eject pack set on a venu team

you have no way to speed up torkoal

[dull ibex]

typically I enjoy alot but im finding sun a bit tricky to pilot

[dull ibex]

earth power over beam and heat wave over overheat is the classic set

but I dont know if the classic works anymore

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2112697949-0i28dv1wynu9gj28e42x58w0ugo7vfipw
Damn, Kyogre beating rayquaza in battle when the lore says the opposite

[gentle badger]

yea I'm doing a double battle sun team

[chrome knot]

which i think theyre

overheat/helping hand/fissure/protect

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-god-no-nasty-gross-disgusting-gif-17172294

Fissure

But yes it is alright on torkoal

[chrome knot]

gives you an out to impossible scenarios

[gentle badger]

what helping hand for\

[chrome knot]

boosting damage on an ally ?

[gentle badger]

oh

[autumn vault]

Well the tournament winning Articuno did use Sheer Cold to break walls that wall Articuno very well like Registeel Cresselia P2 etc.

[chrome knot]

im aware, i watched utrecht lmao

[gentle badger]

I gave venu Weather Ball over Solar beam because that was what was reccomended to me

[chrome knot]

i would too, weather ball is a crazy move

[autumn vault]

Depends

It is good but you are ignoring one of your STABs when you use sleep powder as well

But yeah it is great

[gentle badger]

Venusaur honestly looks so good in Pokemon violet.

[autumn vault]

Poll is looking good, Koraidon winning

Koraidon tied with Terapagos

[solid frigate]

turtl

[gentle badger]

Venu's set is

Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
Sleep Powder/Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb/Weather Ball
Fire Tera```

[mighty stump]

The what

[gentle badger]

by that you mean eject pack on torkoal, right?

[chrome knot]

yes

[gentle badger]

should I replace Energy Ball with Solar Beam, or is it fine?

[autumn vault]

Keep it

[gentle badger]

ok

I feel like I should still give at least one of my teammates Solar Beam

[chrome knot]

energy ball gives you a grass move that works without sun

[autumn vault]

Pls don't

[true niche]

https://twitter.com/CbuttyVGC/status/1782352175110160667 it really do feels like that

Cbutty (Farigiraf's Strongest Soldier) (@CbuttyVGC) on X

Only Reg G tier list that matters

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 10:14 AM

[autumn vault]

Imo terapagos shouldn't be that high

[mighty stump]

You like Zekrom that's like representative of your opinions

[autumn vault]

Also calyrex ice is very good

[gentle badger]

y?

[chrome knot]

ahahahah

[autumn vault]

I would place it in C tier, also that is stupid
I just have an unhealthy bias for it

[next stump]

If zekrom makes day 2 at a single tournament in reg G i would be very very surprised

[north pagoda]

Liking a mon is not the same as saying it’s good

[autumn vault]

This is what i mean, ik it doesn't have insane potential but i love it, nothing more, thanks Kris for the fax

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to kris123f

[dull ibex]

is caly-s just really good as a cleaner

im not finding I want to lead it tbh

[true niche]

how is zacian - i + fire/water/grass balance atm?

[dull ibex]

excuse you? /j

I wish zekrom was better its my favorite legendary

[mighty stump]

Having a history of its insistence in the metagame is.

[gentle badger]

k, other than Tera typing, Torkoal Prep is done.

[autumn vault]

I have relaxed on it since then, i am not as insisted on it, besides i crushed the low elo players which fueled it

[gentle badger]

also I have to pp up it and give it a name

[mighty stump]

Being in low elo

[sharp cobalt]

I can realize that mons I like are sadly mediocre to bad in comp

[gentle badger]

prolly venu

[sharp cobalt]

Venus is actually not that bad tbh

Its not that great on a sun team in VGC, but it'll do reasonably well in singles. Probs lower tier tho.

[solid frigate]

lol

[autumn vault]

It is actually not that bad, it can be very good it's just that there are other grass types that are very good

[gentle badger]

k

now that Venu and Torkoal are fully prepped, you guys have any recommendations for teammates?

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[mighty stump]

What do you want

[bold geode]

I'm just saying hi bro
Hru

[mighty stump]

Im ok

[bold geode]

Good

Now give me spreads (joke)

[mighty stump]

Spread deez

[chrome knot]

raging bolt, flutter

[bold geode]

Spread Deez jellies on your toast

[gentle badger]

wait, raging bolt can be used in double sun teams?

[sharp cobalt]

Cold

[chrome knot]

yes..?

av raging bolt loves sun

[gentle badger]

k, I gotta get it first.

I do have flutter tho.

oh wait I thought flutter was slither wing

[sharp cobalt]

Small difference

[gentle badger]

wait slither is on the same skill level as flutter?

[forest arrow]

No

[gentle badger]

oh.

[foggy lodge]

A restricted

[polar canyon]

Groudon?

[sharp cobalt]

Flutter is fast and powerful with great STABS and coverage. Slither Wing is a bit bulky but with less ideal STABs

[polar canyon]

And very not ideal typing

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 988: Slither Wing

Types

Bug/Fighting

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/135/79/85/105/81

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[sharp cobalt]

Yea

The only thing it has going for it is sun-boosted First Impression

And then I can just throw a Farigiraf at it and laugh

[polar canyon]

It's probably cool in the smogon any ability format

Triage drain punch and leech life

[sharp cobalt]

I dont think it gets drain punch. Does it?

[dapper crag]

Slither Wing's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bug Bite, Close Combat, Double-Edge, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, First Impression, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Lunge, Reversal, Skitter Smack, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thrash, Trailblaze, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Bug Buzz, Ember, Giga Drain, Gust, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Bulk Up, Curse, Endure, Morning Sun, Poison Powder, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Whirlwind, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Slither Wing.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[sharp cobalt]

It don't

[foggy lodge]

Anyways i'm finishing the team in-game

I ran out of LP

[polar canyon]

Did you like test it in showdown

[sharp cobalt]

Iis that a half tr team?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[polar canyon]

Skeledirge is odd

[foggy lodge]

It works good

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[sharp cobalt]

What Lunala set are you running? Meteor Beam?

[foggy lodge]

It's kinda psyspam

[foggy lodge]

Meteor Beam with Expanding Force

[sharp cobalt]

Neat

[polar canyon]

Even when like over half of the meta destroys skeledirge?

[sharp cobalt]

Ive a shinala stashed away somewhere

[foggy lodge]

I needed a fire type that could work under TR

[polar canyon]

Torkoal

[foggy lodge]

And i saw the Skeledirge in vancouver regional so i had the idea

[polar canyon]

But what about caly shadow, kyogre, groudon, flutter, both urshifus and whatever else threatening it

You basically won't have a game where there isn't a big threat to skeledirge

[foggy lodge]

It dies

[polar canyon]

Skeledirge more like smelledirge

[foggy lodge]

Nah believe me, i know the team weaknesses

Ogerpon works for Kyogre match ups, skeledirge does fine with Groudon, Urshifu is a big problem but i can control it

And Flutter is Flutter, i just try to knock out the flutter early and threaten it

[gentle badger]

so I guess my options are Flutter, Raging Bolt, and Groudon

[sharp cobalt]

Doesnt Incin work under tr?

[foggy lodge]

It's with psychic surge

[polar canyon]

Groudon or koraidon are pretty easy picks if you want sun in the upcoming regulation

[sharp cobalt]

Heatran?

[gentle badger]

any normal pokemon reccomendations, or nah?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 485: Heatran

Types

Fire/Steel

Abilities

Flash Fire, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/90/106/130/106/77

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

Koraidon has that strong immediate pressure with collision course and tera flare blitz

[polar canyon]

Flutter mane is "normal"

[gentle badger]

I have no Heatran

[polar canyon]

You can use venusaur

Like in your username

[gentle badger]

I'm already using venusaur

[polar canyon]

Well there we go

[gentle badger]

also I'm using Torkoal

[polar canyon]

Raging bolt is a pretty good choice because it helps you deal with kyogre

Or at least force it to tera

Oh yeah tornadus too

Id go with tornadus and koraidon/groudon for the 2 sun setters

Having manual setting with sunny day sounds worse but has some benefits

Like if you lead with torn and they lead with kyogre you're always able to use sunny day after it started raining

[gentle badger]

wait can I get tornadus via snacksworth

oh.

[rustic mountain]

no

[gentle badger]

I don't have them, so I don't think I have them as an option

[mighty stump]

blew past 500 views without me noticing this month

Twitter carrying rn

[sharp cobalt]

Why do you have the daycare helper role twice?

[mighty stump]

Difficulty now is following up

with more Reg G stuff

[rustic mountain]

y r u clicking my name

[sharp cobalt]

Why not

[rustic mountain]

also its tagged out dch role nd tagged in

[sharp cobalt]

i want the birb role

[gentle badger]

could I use both groudon and Koraidon? cuz I have no access to Tornadus

[rustic mountain]

its single restricted

cant use both dons rn

[sharp cobalt]

Whims maybe then?

[gentle badger]

I'm doing this for doubles

I don't care for vgc

I'm more or less doing it for link battling

[rustic mountain]

well most of us here play vgc so cant help u there

doubles ou decently different iirc

[gentle badger]

oh, so I just did all the prep for venu for nothing.

[mighty stump]

Plus most advice is mostly tailored to players towards people actively playing competitively

I thought the channel name would have given it away

[gentle badger]

I legitimately thought that anything goes would be the norm.

which is why I followed doubles ubers

[mighty stump]

I mean, those formats aren't played in Link Battles unless you actively search for a player to do so as well

Smogon formats aren;t associated with the game lol

[chrome knot]

play pretend formats🥺

[rustic mountain]

the norm? i mean they have their own community but its not the official format for the games, ppl who want to compete r gna align w/ the format the games themselves support

[gentle badger]

so doubles ou is the standard for doubles link battles

[mighty stump]

No

VGC

[chrome knot]

vgc is standard

[sharp cobalt]

It still has a fairly good followage

[gentle badger]

then why would competitive not matter in link battles?

[mighty stump]

Cause the people playing in Link Battles are more than likely non-quality players with non-quality teams since theyre playing with 0 stakes/goals

Same reasoning goes for Casual Battles

When Ranked being the higher quality queue with only a small % of its highest tier being associated with quality matches

[sharp cobalt]

I do kind of understand where they're coming from. The channel is called 'competitive discussion' and smogon is still a competitive scene in pokemon

[gentle badger]

I still wanna make a good Doubles sun team tho

[mighty stump]

I 'm also pretty sure i asked or tried to figure out what their purposes were when they began asking about sets days ago

[sharp cobalt]

Do you want it VGC focussed or doubles OU or doubles Ubers/Anything Goes?

[gentle badger]

I want it to be good enough to survive the environment of Link Battles

[autumn vault]

You don't have to worry about that

[sharp cobalt]

If I'm to believe Tofu, those are casual battles. Do legends often tuurn up there?

[mighty stump]

The question should be how many legends turn up there

Depending on the ruleset you're deciding

if it's casual there is none

Last I remember

[chrome knot]

6 !

[gentle badger]

is there a casual discussion?

[chrome knot]

#sv_discussion

[autumn vault]

Many legends show up in casuals

[sharp cobalt]

I just wanna go herp de derp with a mono grass team

With a random Florges thrown in

[rustic mountain]

[autumn vault]

These frog emotes are very funny

[rustic mountain]

i love the worry emotes

[autumn vault]

Here is the photo of it and use it without the need of nitro

[north pagoda]

That’s a big frog

[sharp cobalt]

Did I break tree co. by saying that?

[autumn vault]

Yes, a big one

[bold geode]

[sharp cobalt]

I should nickname that Florges Florgrass.

[bold geode]

Hello, Mr Tree

[autumn vault]

Use it without the need of nitro

[forest arrow]

Hey babe

[bold geode]

Hey babe

[gentle badger]

I honestly just wanna create a good Doubles Sun team

[sharp cobalt]

We know my person

I think the kindly helpers just want to know within what parameters they can work

[rustic mountain]

[autumn vault]

I already have these 3 in a bot's DM

[north pagoda]

Just to be clear. You want a good Sun team for 6v6 battles where all mons are allowed? 😃

[rustic mountain]

no i think doubles ou

[bold geode]

Ngl
So you know how I said Caly I was a free MU
I found the Caly I team that's not as free

[gentle badger]

what's the most acceptable one atm?

[rustic mountain]

is it the team i wanted to try

[bold geode]

Which one

[sharp cobalt]

Dont ask me, Im relatively mediocre at doubles

[gentle badger]

yeah pretty much

[rustic mountain]

shroom-watershifu-peli-incin-giraffe-caly i. it did well in one of the bigger grassroot tours

[bold geode]

FUCK HE KNOWS

[forest arrow]

It’s a strong team

[rustic mountain]

yea it seems it

[forest arrow]

I’d be surprised if he didn’t find it lol

[bold geode]

It is
For the first time as a Zama player, I was like "damn I actually gotta lock in tf"

[next stump]

we been on that shit that team is really solid

[rustic mountain]

dillon posted a replay here yea

[next stump]

the mirror is annoying af though

[forest arrow]

Dillon knows

[rustic mountain]

nd then i was watching tub takes and saw the team again

[mighty stump]

Lol

[bold geode]

I actually had to lock in against that Caly I team
Was a first, I didn't know wtf was happening lmao

[mighty stump]

Someones been under a rock

[rustic mountain]

yea its optionality gives it more flexibility then a hard tr would otherwise

[mighty stump]

Pelipper is incredibly good right now

[bold geode]

I knew it existed, I just never faced it until last night

[rustic mountain]

pelipper coming back

[forest arrow]

BigMilk is here to take names and set rains

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[bold geode]

Also Skraw won his own Limitless tour with Peli Zama, and I'm just like "am I fucking stupid for not using this" lmao

[rustic mountain]

never heard it called that

[north pagoda]

Then groudon and Koraidon do indeed seem like strong choices. You can also use protosynthesis mons like walking wake, flutter mane, and raging bolt. Hisuian Lilligant work on Sun with chlorophyll/after you/solar blade. There are a lot of options for weather Ball users too 😃

[bold geode]

I mean Jugulis has been good to me bro

[mighty stump]

It's basically Peli-Zacian but better

[forest arrow]

lol I’ve always called my Pelipper that 🤣 just thought it looked like a jug of milk lmao

[rustic mountain]

zama being better then zac was not the plot twist i expected

[gentle badger]

ah.

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz Zama's better

[next stump]

it's insane threatening OHKO onto incins with no setup

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Honestly I have not really paid attention to Zama, but I kinda love this development

Yeah it's also a setup Mon that sometimes doesn't even need the setup

Fucking insane

But alas, the same generation that Zama is good

IS THE SAME GENERATION AS THAT STUPID STACK OF COINS

[mighty stump]

Lol

[rustic mountain]

i cant wait for gholdengo to pop up again mid format and ppl again will realize its still a good mon

[bold geode]

This is the second Reg
I've had beef with Gholdengo in bro
AND ONE OF THEM IS WHEN I WAS USING GOLTRES

[gentle badger]

I only have access to Violet and the Violet dlc

[forest arrow]

Gholdy is around

[rustic mountain]

its around, i havent seen it much tho

[gentle badger]

and a handful of pokemon I proted from home to my violet save.

[foggy lodge]

Gholdy is alive

Let's gooooo

[autumn vault]

Always has been

[warped mason]

Does tera fairy specs dazzling gleam from miraidon ohko caly shadow?

[rustic mountain]

idk run the calc. prolly not tho

[bold geode]

Yeah Tree, just to let you know
In Reg E I had a Goltres A9 team
With Iron Bundle that could offset Gholdengo's speed
Heatran to do SE damage and resist MiR
Goltres to do SE damage and resist Shadow Ball
And Baxcalibur with High Horsepower
You'd think I'd have a positive MU into Gholdengo

[north pagoda]

Ah, then koraidon is a problem unless you find someone to Trade that with I guess

[bold geode]

BUT NO

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Every Gholdengo I fought, especially on rain teams
I'd get absolutely bodied by

[gentle badger]

already ported it to home then to my current save

[rustic mountain]

yea jus seems like u gta execute really well and even then can still jus lose to 1 or 2 good reads or plays by them

[bold geode]

Yeah no
I ended up scrapping the team cuz like
I didn't like being weak to Gholdengo in a Gholdengo meta

[rustic mountain]

yea thats fair

[bold geode]

Now at least I have a fuckin reason why Gholdengo is rough

[rustic mountain]

i jus find the cyclical nature of certain things funny

just like dozo being more relevant at the beginning of formats. atleast in past ones

[chrome knot]

@mighty stump shadow ball on farig valid rn?

[rustic mountain]

gholdengo tends to spike up mid-late

[foggy lodge]

I'm not tofu but yeah

[mighty stump]

Valid, I still like Foul Play.

[chrome knot]

i think consistency of shadow ball would win me over

[bold geode]

Cuz people forget about it lmao

[foggy lodge]

Maybe for Caly-I?

[rustic mountain]

yea p much

overly disrespecting it/not having gameplans or team comps that can handle it vs giving it the slightest bit of prep/answer and it basically just falls off

[chrome knot]

theres better ways to play around it

[bold geode]

Dozo every Reg having to catch people lackin lmao

[rustic mountain]

haha

its a matchup check since the start

just less prevelant as the power level has spiked

[charred saddle]

i still hate dozzo with a passion

[bold geode]

Literally the cycle
It does good
People have checks for it
It goes down
People lose the checks since it's not as relevant
Dozo players see they're gone
Dozo does good again
Cycle repeats

[charred saddle]

it has so many weird tech

[rustic mountain]

i ran dozo early sv ngl but i havent picked it up since

[foggy lodge]

I tried to build a team but i remembered ah yeah the regulation ends in a week lol

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I still have doubts about how to add Dozo-Tatsugiri into a team

[bold geode]

Like there's probably people who think Dozo will fall off, but it ain't

[chrome knot]

i have 2 pcs rhis weekend and my team was a 60 second psyspam team lmao

[autumn vault]

Image for you to use without the need of nitro

[rustic mountain]

i think it has like 1 decent day 2 showing in 1 of the first cppl regionals but id be shocked to see it top cut at this point again

maybe if chuppa picks it up again

[dapper crag]

Everyone is talking abt how koraidon is op and all but flutter mane can 1 shot it cuz it 4x weak to fiary

[bold geode]

I mean you never know lmao

[foggy lodge]

Tera

[rustic mountain]

ive been wrong before

[bold geode]

The last time Chuppa ran it was fucking wild
That team was nuts

[rustic mountain]

also vgc isnt a vacuum. x beating y doesnt mean its irrelevant completely

[dapper crag]

Bruh how did I actually forget abt that💀

[mighty stump]

The amount of people that say "just tera" aggravates me

[rustic mountain]

he also played it out of his mind

[mighty stump]

Like that's not your magical band-aid to crappy teambuilding

[bold geode]

Lmao yeah

[rustic mountain]

yea i saw some1 on twitter post that into ppl saying something can tera in front of csr

krebs i think their name was?

[bold geode]

me ripping Tera Ghost Harc turn 1 a lot of games

[chrome knot]

TERA NORMAL WALLS CALY S WOOOOO!!!!!

[knotty mirage]

[rustic mountain]

its a half baked point to bring up

[bold geode]

That guy is kinda hit or miss on takes

[mighty stump]

It's like people don't realise that maybe some of the gameplans WANT you to Tera to pin you with other members of the team

[rustic mountain]

yea not saying their takes are great, jus i think thats who said it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

yep lol

like most teams dont have an urshifu waiting to hit ur tera normal or w/e

[foggy lodge]

Typing still matters in the teambuilding, and more when is not like dynamax where you could like have a gameplan about dinamaxing an specific Pokémon

[rustic mountain]

its a moot point

tera as beneficial as it is, cant be the crutch end all be all answer that ppl think it is

[bold geode]

Yeah
I literally once saw an Amoongus had Tera Fire and made it tera so Urshifu could clean it
The argument can be a BIG double edged sword

[dapper crag]

Is my team good it's ogeron water dark shifu raging bolt flutter mane tornadus and incin

[knotty mirage]

I have question can max defence and HP caly s survive mystic water terra water surging strike ?

[bold geode]

A paste would be nice

[rustic mountain]

run the calc

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com

idk whyd ud ever run that but

[forest arrow]

You wouldn’t wanna be putting all your evs in Def tho no?

[rustic mountain]

hell no

[forest arrow]

yeah that’s just bonkers

[mighty stump]

Almost a moot point cause Caly-S runs TW and the only time you can ever outpace that is if you're somehow with TW and them not

Like only Scarfshifu can outpace Caly-S

[rustic mountain]

yea its an offensive powerhouse, using it as anything but is a throw imo

itll still hit decent but thats not wat u want out of ur restricted just to survive that. jus position nd play better so u dont end up in that position/board state

[bold geode]

And then if they lead Tornadus Caly then you get basically outpaced anyways due to Prankster

[rustic mountain]

me getting pinged every round for vr tour

[bold geode]

You in a tour rn?

[rustic mountain]

nah lol i just leave pings on for it incase i do join one. i rarely can get up that early and play well

[bold geode]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

[radiant siren]

let's try out my new zacian team on showdown

[rustic mountain]

gl

[mighty stump]

Whoa

Earthquake

[rustic mountain]

r u saving like every emote i use

[autumn vault]

Yes, i avoid nitro

[knotty mirage]

Why my bed shaking

[rustic mountain]

oof everything seem ok?

hope all is well

[rustic mountain]

i can tell

[willow vault]

Hope everyone’s alright

[rustic mountain]

same

[mighty stump]

Ok its over

[charred saddle]

hooh kenceng cok

[mighty stump]

mayan

[charred saddle]

[knotty mirage]

Gempa lewat kah ya

[mighty stump]

lewat aman

[bold geode]

My bad, I tripped

[autumn vault]

I am 100% saving that one

[craggy dagger]

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-hi-there-gif-art-pop-art-gif-12581807443894975732

[chrome knot]

novaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[craggy dagger]

emmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[sharp cobalt]

I read this in the H2O tiktok voice

[autumn vault]

The TTS pronounced every a individually

Like a robot

[sharp cobalt]

Twitch TTS with emojis is hilarious. 'dampende kom. dampende kom. dampende kom'

[craggy dagger]

mm?

[rustic mountain]

wen u bounce some1 outta top 100 on sd:

[autumn vault]

Them

[rustic mountain]

yea just how it be

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/citrus-harumi-yuzu-hug-anime-gif-18171387

[craggy dagger]

hai haiii
hru doing?

[autumn vault]

You win some you lose some

[next stump]

hey those of you who have played DLC on two different switch accounts

[chrome knot]

i goodddd

[next stump]

how do I get the DLC on my alt account? the game doesn't recognize I have it and when I got to link my nintendo account, it says that this acc is already linked to another profile

[chrome knot]

what

have you played enough of the game yet ?

[next stump]

yeah, the guy says "I'm sorry, but you don't seem to have a pass"

i've gone through the wild area and all that alraedy

[chrome knot]

o weird

i was handed both the passes when i did it

[bold geode]

Try going into eShop and redownloading

I guess idk, I had to do that before

[next stump]

i don't see it listed under redownloads :/

[autumn vault]

Have you captured the Slowpoke?

[craggy dagger]

game-?

[autumn vault]

This is most likely the answer

[chrome knot]

talking to dillon silly

[next stump]

yep, caught the slowpoke

[craggy dagger]

oh

[next stump]

the conductor says I have no pass

[chrome knot]

he having problem with swsh dlc on second acc

[autumn vault]

Idk then

[chrome knot]

ask everyone inside the station

somebody GIVES you the passes

[rustic mountain]

exactly

yea dillon im not sure exactly, i didnt run into that problem on my alt. i think the event triggers for u at the first station w/ galarian slowpoke

[autumn vault]

He is right

It happened to some people

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger how are you how are you

[craggy dagger]

im doing oki :0

[rustic mountain]

@next stump
If you bought the expansion but are not getting the notice that you’ve gotten the Armor Pass, close your game and make sure it’s updated. You can force an update by pressing X while selecting the game from the Nintendo Switch home screen. After you update and restart the game, it should give you your Armor Pass.
this is off polygon

https://www.polygon.com/pokemon-sword-shield-guide/2020/6/17/21294375/how-to-start-isle-of-armor-expansion

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/rabbitlovercom1/status/1784249714311110896?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Rabbit Lover Community (@RabbitLoverCom1) on X

He thumped for 30 minutes and then jumped up to snuggle… he really said “okay tantrum over… pets please?”

Twitter · Apr 27, 2024, 3:54 PM

this me rn

[autumn vault]

That rabbit looks very cute

[rustic mountain]

🐰

[craggy dagger]

mood-

[chrome knot]

he so stinky lookingggg

i love him :(

[autumn vault]

CUTE

[next stump]

RIP my game is updated and everything, still dont have the pass

and there is no option to redownload in the shop, it just says purchased

[autumn vault]

Still don't know why

[autumn vault]

Maybe use the account where you purchased the DLC

Idk i am not experienced with fixing people's save data

[next stump]

I did :/ it just says purchased. I have no Nintendo Account linked on my alt profile, maybe that's the issue?

is that a required step to play on an alt @chrome knot ?

[chrome knot]

i have no idea bc all my alts are connected

that could be it?

[craggy dagger]

no being connected to nintendo acc has nothing to do with it cause i have a save without an acc connected

[next stump]

🤔 welp I’ll keep trying whatever I can find

this blows

[autumn vault]

That is not good man

[next stump]

oh I think I know what it is

[autumn vault]

Go on

[next stump]

the switch I’m playing on right now is not the primary switch for my nintendo account

let me try switching it to the primary switch

[autumn vault]

Hopefully it works

[next stump]

IT WORKEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

IM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[autumn vault]

Congrats Dillon! You did it

Idk why i am so happy for someone i hardly even know but you get my point

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-daniel-craig-saturday-night-live-thats-right-yeah-gif-16611686

[chrome knot]

LOL yaayyyy

[next stump]

speedrun delayed by an hour hahaha

[rustic mountain]

world record chances in shambles

[dapper crag]

Why does miraidon get parabolic charge but koraidon doesn't get his own version of it too

[pallid hare]

you mean drain punch?

[dapper crag]

But drain punch can be learned by lots of pokemon

[pallid hare]

yeah, and parabolic charge isnt exclusive to miraidon either

[dapper crag]

Wait what

[pallid hare]

Bellibolt learns it, and it was originally associated with the Helioptile line

[dapper crag]

Ohh

[solid frigate]

Yeah Parabolic charge is not an Exclusive Move

[gentle badger]

so I'm currently building a Sun team for doubles OU level, and my current team so far is Venusaur and Torkoal. how is it so far?

[autumn vault]

Miraidon is in AG?

Oh wait it isn't

[bold geode]

Miraidon is into agriculture?

[solid frigate]

LOL i need this to be a Photoshop

[gentle badger]

any reccomendations for non-paradox/legendary pokemon to add to the game?

[bold geode]

Bro Electro Drifted into the crops
Now my family's starving

[pallid hare]

I'm sure the electric discharges the land receives from it do help the land in terms of agricultural viability

[bold geode]

But it took months for those crops to grow

[willow vault]

Should have worked harder

[bold geode]

Damn

[willow vault]

Back to fields I guess

[autumn vault]

"Hey son, we ran out of 'em crops"
"Why pops?"
"A stupid electric bike creature electrocuted our crops"

[solid frigate]

lemme make that Photoshop

[gentle badger]

that's why ai turo wanted the paradox pokemon to not exit area 0

[bold geode]

Idk why I'm thinking about Foghorn Leghorn from that
I'm tainted from the memes

NOW BOY I SAY BOY

[gentle badger]

Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
Sleep Powder/Energy Ball/Sludge Bomb/Weather Ball
Fire Tera```
```Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
Eruption/Protect/Overheat/Solar Beam
Fire Tera```
so I'm aiming for Ou level Doubles sun team. Is this a good team so far, or nah

[dapper crag]

Bruh miraidons bst is only 670

It's not even that op

[dull ibex]

what

bst isnt the whole story tbh

[dapper crag]

It's not that good tho for ag

And I play sv comp not showdown

[dull ibex]

alright

miraidon is okay ingame from what I can see

[dapper crag]

Should I make a koraidon or miraidpn team for reg g

[dull ibex]

they are two very different mons depends on what you want to play

[queen monolith]

I just got into a causal battle. Bro turn one terastalized terapagos

[dapper crag]

Yes cuz he's gonna use tera storm

And sweep ur team

[queen monolith]

Nah. I’m gonna win.

[zealous badger]

Can I get feedback for this team and wat I should change up?
https://pokepast.es/34e0db04404b457d

[queen monolith]

I got a trick room set up.

[dapper crag]

Should I run electro drift and parabolic charge or just one eletric move

Bruh ain't no way miraidon has dazzling gleam

[queen monolith]

And ofc. As I can finally hit terapagos. He manages to somehow dodge.

[autumn vault]

I feel like you need to have more rain abusers

Chi-Yu just wont cut it for rain teams

[zealous badger]

who would u suggest?

[queen monolith]

I still got my fire team from what feels like forever ago lol

[autumn vault]

Archaludon and Landorus-Incarnate are very good examples

[zealous badger]

wat would the lando set look like?

[autumn vault]

Urshifu Rapid Strike is also very good in rain teams

[queen monolith]

Archaludon’s signature move insta charges in rain

[autumn vault]

Hubert (Landorus) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sandsear Storm
• Earth Power
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

https://pokepast.es/3859ad49a38b0e3d This is the team i use

[queen monolith]

This guy just set up tailwind for me to use trick room lol

[autumn vault]

Also pls don't use trick room

[zealous badger]

i hav it to handle shadowrider

[autumn vault]

I understand you need answers to it but isn't incineroar already a check to calyrex-shadow rider?

[queen monolith]

Thank whoever for armor tail.

[zealous badger]

fake out is a normal type move and shadowrider is ghost

[autumn vault]

Also pls use knock off instead of darkest lariat

[zealous badger]

ight

[autumn vault]

Dark moves

That murders calyrex-shadow rider

Also if you wan't an electric move for kyogre go thunder

Ice beam is more useful but that isn't bad either

[zealous badger]

i did hav ice beam b4 but never rlly found a use for it tbh

[autumn vault]

If you think it isn't that useful then go thunder but i prefer ice beam

[lofty tartan]

Ice Beam makes more sense.

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/0d6e58490086058d

This is my single strike team

[autumn vault]

What am i seeing?

[gentle badger]

should I add Koraidon and Groudon, or are there any options for normal pokemon to add to the sun team

[zealous badger]

ok wat do u think about it now?
https://pokepast.es/320860bd42be04b2

[queen monolith]

My sun team

[autumn vault]

252 spe on archaludon isn't useful

Dedue (Archaludon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 164 SpA / 68 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon
• Body Press
• Draco Meteor
  This is what i use for archaludon

You can switch tera flying for fairy

Fairy is a better tera for it then flying

[zealous badger]

ahhh ok

[dapper crag]

Para charge or its sig move or both on its moveset

[forest arrow]

Why not just max max on kyorge

[autumn vault]

Also i don't think sitrus berry Rillaboom is that good

[lofty tartan]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 236 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor
• Body Press

If going for Electro Shot, you can stand to go lower on SpA and invest more into bulk.

[autumn vault]

Miracle seed is pretty good on rillaboom since AV is taken

[dapper crag]

You look so different now

[lofty tartan]

You also want SpA to end in an even number.

[zealous badger]

ye it does look better with miracle seed

anything else I should change?

[solid frigate]

why-

[lofty tartan]

If it ends in an even number the boosts from Electro Shot don't lose values by rounding down

[autumn vault]

252 speed on kyogre

[forest arrow]

Timid

[autumn vault]

252 SpA 252 Spe 4 Def

[solid frigate]

Koraidon,Miraidon right now is kinda in really weird spot in Teambuild

[zealous badger]

ight

[gentle badger]

@autumn vault srry for the ping but are there options for normal poekmon?

[autumn vault]

Also you don't need 252 attack on incineroar, it is supportive not offensive

[lofty tartan]

I gave you a full pokepaste for a sun team like a week ago lol

[solid frigate]

i rarely seen an Incin for offensive honestly

actually none

[gentle badger]

rlly? i didn't see it

[autumn vault]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 44 Atk / 20 Def / 124 SpD / 76 Spe
Careful Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

[dapper crag]

Zekrom is so overrated and so is arceus dialga and palkia and giratina

[zealous badger]

thx

[gentle crag]

flameduckys has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/3995eba11267a7e6

[autumn vault]

Wow you offended gen 5 and 4 fans

[solid frigate]

thats a bit too much in damage- but still

[dapper crag]

Zarude is so underrated

[lofty tartan]

Arceus isn't legal. Palkia and Dialga are strong TR pokemon that thrive in double Restricted.

[autumn vault]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 60 Def / 124 SpD / 76 Spe
Careful Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

[lofty tartan]

Zarude is not legal.

[solid frigate]

Gen 4 is overrated yes,But Gen 5 isn't really overrated

[dapper crag]

I meant like in general not comp

[gentle badger]

so is venu allowed to be lead or...?

[lofty tartan]

Yes. You can lead Venusaur. You can lead however you want.

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Gen 6 is overrated in Anime but Games wise is just

Mid-

[gentle badger]

k.

[lofty tartan]

Sometimes there's value in leading Wake/Venu and switching out the least impactful for Torkoal and Sun

[queen monolith]

A tornadus tried to taunt my amoongus lol

Amoonguss *

[solid frigate]

i mean it make sense unless you have something that block it

[queen monolith]

I do. Farigiraf with iron tail

[solid frigate]

PFFT did they not see the N E C K

[queen monolith]

No clue lol

[lofty tartan]

Lots of people make mistakes on Ladder. Not everyone is a pro, or even good.

[dapper crag]

Bro can someone pls answer my question abt eletro drft or parabolic charge on miraidon or both

[queen monolith]

So he’s got an almost dead urshifu, and a sleeping tornadus

[lofty tartan]

Use Electro Drift. It does more.

[solid frigate]

most sets use Electro Drift

[lofty tartan]

Parabolic Charge is cute and all but I've seen a neutral Electro Drift OHKO a Tera Fire Groudon.

[solid frigate]

but rn i recommened Miraidon to be in 2 restricted cuz it's just has the Problem in Teambuild

[lofty tartan]

Miraidon doesn't have a major problem in teambuilder lol. What are you talking about?

[autumn vault]

Gen 5 is my favourite gen

[solid frigate]

i swear then why Mirai does not seen that much usage-

[queen monolith]

Huh. Iron crown gets expanding force.

[autumn vault]

E-Drift

[queen monolith]

Love Gen 5

[autumn vault]

It hardly has any usage

[solid frigate]

its good on both psychic and electric terrain

[dapper crag]

Gen 5 is absolutely awful

[autumn vault]

Plus it is encountering many issues

[autumn vault]

You certainly have come with spicy hot takes

[dapper crag]

And so is the one with the creation trio forgor wich one that is

[queen monolith]

I just went to take out his indeedee and he expanding forces me.

[lofty tartan]

Where? Because I see it in Top 8 consttantly on Limitless.

[solid frigate]

ummmmmmmmm can i ask you,did you buy the DLC?

[lofty tartan]

Looking at a rank 7 Miraidon team right now.

[autumn vault]

Have you played Black 2 White 2

[dapper crag]

Yes but I don't plan on ever completing the indigo story

[autumn vault]

Those are mastepieces

[lofty tartan]

Koraidon also gets a lot of top placements.

[willow vault]

Huh

[solid frigate]

ok then why buy it anyway

[autumn vault]

Hey Crephace how have you been doing?

[dapper crag]

Nope but apart from kyurem and reshiram most of the pokemon I don't like

[willow vault]

I’m great

[autumn vault]

Good to know

[willow vault]

How are you?

[autumn vault]

Doing great myself, thanks for asking

[willow vault]

No problem

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott,Volcarona,Unova Starters etc???

[dapper crag]

Zarude is the best mythical pokemon and is also the most underrated

[queen monolith]

It would make sense to keep the new paradox Pokémon out yk? Since they’re paradox legendaries.

[autumn vault]

Except Koraidon and Miraidon

I would be glad to never see flutter ever again

[queen monolith]

They’ve been around since the start of the game

[willow vault]

Hydreigon was also cool, and I like Escavalier but I don’t know how popular that opinion is

[solid frigate]

Flutter would still be in most teams that does not use Calyrex Shadow

[autumn vault]

Excadrill as well

[gentle badger]

do I have to replace Energy Ball with Giga Drain?

[queen monolith]

But the new paradox Pokémon are…. Ugh.

[solid frigate]

the only bug type that become World Champion 🙂

[autumn vault]

I meant for the next generation but that is true

[lofty tartan]

Giga Drain was a preference. Energy Ball is fine. Some use Leaf Storm too

[willow vault]

You watched that video by a Wolfe flock?

[gentle badger]

k

[solid frigate]

ok then yea next gen idk how Paradox mon become exists

[queen monolith]

Welllll. One just fell into my battle

[willow vault]

Ah thanks autocorrect Wolfe flock my favourite world champion

[solid frigate]

Yes and some others like Cybertron,Moxie and Ray Rizzo

Skraw is my next one i watched

[dapper crag]

Is it just me or do yall run protect on incin

[willow vault]

No

[lofty tartan]

I don't run Protect on Incin.

[solid frigate]

Flare Blitz/Wisp,Knock Off,Parting shot/U-Turn/Fake Out.

[dapper crag]

I have it on every pokemon except assult vest

[north pagoda]

One thing to keep in mind as well is that parabolic hits your ally too

[lofty tartan]

Some pokemon without Vest can handle no protects just fine.

Incin is super bulky.

[solid frigate]

you don'y run Incin with Protect cuz Incin is just very bulky and it needs all 4 slots for utility

he's basically batman of Pokemon VGC that has very good utility on supporting Pokemon

[dapper crag]

Yes but I've my moments where I use protect on incin wich they don't expect and then get a surprise ko

[willow vault]

That doesn’t really work on open team sheet

[solid frigate]

thats just you,Urshifu still exist

[solid frigate]

and Urshifu kinda still tear it apart

[dapper crag]

I'm playing sv not showdown so do you mean in showdown the opp can see ur entire trams moveset?

[willow vault]

Yeah in best of 3s

[solid frigate]

If you go on a TOurnament or open team sheets then yes

[dapper crag]

Sv is better than showdow

[solid frigate]

but then again,SV in Tournaments is also Team sheets

[dapper crag]

Like I'm good enough to go to worlds💀

[willow vault]

There are other tournaments other than worlds

[solid frigate]

Internationals and Regionals

[queen monolith]

I almost won this match. But skeledirge woke up.

[solid frigate]

also Miraidon in Honolulu and Tommy Tuesday results are medicore for it, like its just-

[solid frigate]

F

[willow vault]

It hasn’t really had great results tbh

[solid frigate]

How did Herbie find Miraidon in top 7-

[willow vault]

?

[solid frigate]

nvm

[willow vault]

I must of missed when herbie found that

[dapper crag]

Wich held item increases crit chance again

[autumn vault]

Razor Claw and Scope Lens

[gentle badger]

I really love it when I'm forced to do a trade back with a pokemon I need on my team

[queen monolith]

Stellar fluttermane?- wtf?-

[solid frigate]

What.

[willow vault]

Just use fairy Tera

[queen monolith]

Stellar fluttermane

[willow vault]

Why would they do that

[solid frigate]

I'm gonna do the tournament

[autumn vault]

It isn't a bad idea

[queen monolith]

I got no clue.

[dapper crag]

Wait does razor claw and scope lens have the same crit chance increase or is one better

[autumn vault]

I have seen some stellar flutter

[willow vault]

Which tourney?

[autumn vault]

However it is only good with sash sets

[queen monolith]

No defensive buff. Buffs moonblast only once.

[autumn vault]

Same

[autumn vault]

and also shadow ball and D-gleam once

[queen monolith]

And if they got dazzling gleam only the first fairy move gets the buff.

[autumn vault]

Oh right

[queen monolith]

If they want to buff dazzling and moonblast just go fairy.

Then it’s not a one hit buff then gone

[gentle badger]

I was initially gonna add Stellar to my Venusaur before I decided to do pvp

[autumn vault]

Yes but you also get the buff once with shadow ball

[autumn vault]

Don't do that, ever

[solid frigate]

its a small tourney named Aeon Cup #1,that can start me

[willow vault]

Nice

[autumn vault]

what do you mean by "start me"?

[queen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/37e89ad519b16688
How’s this look for a ground team?

[autumn vault]

That is a sand team

[queen monolith]

I meant sand. Mb

[willow vault]

Kommo-o for idbp

[solid frigate]

start myself on serious note

[gentle badger]

no seriously, I was about to get Raging Bolt until I realized it was only a trade back

[autumn vault]

Oh i thought you said groudon team and not ground

[queen monolith]

Ohhhh

[autumn vault]

Ok

[queen monolith]

For what?

[willow vault]

Iron defence + body press

[queen monolith]

Ohh.

[autumn vault]

For no reason in specific i made notes of the differences between Zekrom Raging Bolt and Miraidon

[queen monolith]

But the sandstorm won’t help him at all.

[autumn vault]

Overcoat

[queen monolith]

He gets overcoat?!

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 784: Kommo-o

Types

Dragon/Fighting

Abilities

Bulletproof, Soundproof, Overcoat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/110/125/100/105/85

Total

600

Other Formes

Kommo-o-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Yes

[willow vault]

Can we get that info

[autumn vault]

However Bulletproof is also good

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e36631f4b8e25dae
Anyways gonna use this team for the Tournament

[autumn vault]

Differences between Zekrom Bolt and Miraidon:
Bolt is a CM/AV abuser that can do solid damage and has very good bulk, it is not a restricted and partners up very well with Fake Out, Sun, etc. It is also very flexible with items and moves like snarl, however if weakened it can be a sitting giraffe and do almost nothing but chip, Draco Meteor if played correctly against it can render a bolt useless, bolt also doesn't like it when people make it's T-Claps not work
Miraidon is a nuke that can do massive amount of damage with Hadron Engine boosting it's special attack by 1.3, electro drift being boosted by e-terrain, specs giving a 1.5 SpA boost, it also gets calm mind and snarl, however electric terrain abusers just aren't that great, best ones for Miraidon are Bundle and Jugulis who are very easy to deal with if you have knowledge against them, Rillaboom with AV can be an absolute nightmare for miraidon as it cant nuke things as easily, other e-terrain setters are pincurchin (who is very bad) and Thundurus (who is wasting a valuable slot for something when it can run other worthwile moves) and Miraidon is standing on a few threads that can snap at any time
Zekrom is a dragon dance abuser that can nuke things very easily and can't be stopped that easily with clear amulet, it is very flexible with teras as fairy, fire and electric all prove to be very good on it (miraidon has fairy and electric and bolt uses fairy and electric), Zekrom also has breaking swipe and tailwind so it can do a mix support offense role, although i think is better than Bolt has proved to be worse than Miraidon but it can change in the future (not likely but this is a funky timeline), Zekrom does not like ground types especially with tera fire and electric
Here it is

[queen monolith]

I only knew about bulletproof and soundproof

[autumn vault]

Good Luck

[solid frigate]

Terapagos Bless me Pls lol

[queen monolith]

When I’m home from work I’ll put my rain team together into a pokepaste

[willow vault]

Thanks

[gentle crag]

crephace has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[autumn vault]

Did you need it for any reason?

[bold geode]

[willow vault]

Just wanted to read the info

[autumn vault]

I will steal this

[autumn vault]

Ok, understandable

[autumn vault]

Ignore step 2 and 4 and then it is the definitive guide to teambuilding

[solid frigate]

Ah yes

BEAR

[autumn vault]

Disaproved

[solid frigate]

Ok RIP Palkia tho

[autumn vault]

It was sarcasm

[willow vault]

Feels bad

[solid frigate]

3 supports on my team lol

[autumn vault]

All of them except calyrex and the cos are worth using

The cos are cosmog and cosmoem

[forest arrow]

lol

[autumn vault]

Cmon
I dont want to sit there

[bold geode]

Surprised you weren't already

[willow vault]

I am

[solid frigate]

I just exist

[autumn vault]

I just get targeted like if i spammed follow me

[solid frigate]

which you basically do-

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/annihilape.png

[autumn vault]

^ me

[bold geode]

Nah we just ignore that part of the field now tbh

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-joseph-follow-me-dude-follow-me-let-me-show-you-gif-24243513

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon when they saw their Partner is in red health be like:\

[bold geode]

Huh?

[willow vault]

I have no idea

[autumn vault]

*Any follow me/rage powder user

[dusty gate]

Much bear to choose from.

[bold geode]

Very much bear

Bear funny moments

[autumn vault]

Hey Lacius, did not expect to see you here

[solid frigate]

1 very good restricted,Check. Terapagos
Not those,Check,don't have them
Paradox,Not check,replaced Bolt with Urshifu
Support,Check I have 3 lol
G L U E,Check,Ogerpon is here
Bears, Check,Urshifu

[dusty gate]

We got -
Water Bear
Edgy Bear
Edgy Bear with gamer posture
Ancient Bear

[solid frigate]

Edgy Bear with Gamer Posture lol

[dusty gate]

i lurk here a lot

[autumn vault]

I do see people lurk here a lot

[bold geode]

Do you have other paradoxes?

[autumn vault]

Incineroar and Amoonguss spread? Anyone have one for both?

[gentle badger]

I've been trying to get Raging Bolt through the 10211023 code and haven't been getting anything.

[gentle delta]

As of today I have succeeded my lofty goal of qualifying for the World Championships in my first season.

[gentle badger]

What glue mean

[willow vault]

Nice

[gentle delta]

Pokemon obtained through these codes are not legitimate and cannot be discussed here.

[autumn vault]

Congrats

[dusty gate]

Congrats!

[gentle crag]

ml_lacius has given 1 Gen Rep to progatog

[pearl wind]

[willow vault]

Glue keeps things together

[gentle badger]

I don't have Scarlet

[gentle delta]

How you obtain one legitimately is your own decision, but discussion of illegitimate means will get you in trouble in this server I recommend you stop.

[autumn vault]

Ik you didn't mean this glue AutisticVenusaur

[solid frigate]

Flutter Mane can work

but mine is calm mind flutter

[gentle badger]

so I can't even easily get version exclusives????? did Austin John do something??!?!?!!

[gentle delta]

Pokemon distributed through channels like his are hacked, not legitimately caught.

Theyll work on the game just fine, but it is against server rules to discuss them here. Drop the conversation.

[gentle badger]

okay

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Union Circle and go to Area Zero,Or just trade, i got my own Calm Mind Flutter From Union Circle

And that Union Circle is just so glitchy that i can see The Opposing Koraidon-

[gentle delta]

He’s asking for a Bolt, Union circle wont help there

[bold geode]

Just have it hackchecked really if you can
Sometimes it can be legit, sometimes not, it's a rare version exclusive, so be careful

[solid frigate]

Oh.

well shi

[gentle delta]

The youtube distributions are cloned/mass genned through a bot.

They’ll pass an average hack check still. I was just warning him against talking about em in case someone who cares comes along.

I aint no snitch

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/40acff55b275fdd9

I am not sure which Paradox should i use or i should go for it and use this team

[molten oasis]

Why do you need a paradox?

[solid frigate]

just thinking cuz i did have bolt in Previous team

[bold geode]

Yeah I've gotten legit stuff before, but you also gotta be careful as the Bolts could be messed with more in that regard due to rarity, I don't really wanna get into it much though lol

[molten oasis]

Then add bolt

[autumn vault]

You don't need a paradox to win

[molten oasis]

Probably over wellspring

Or Grimm

[solid frigate]

Unless you can give me another thing set up screens

[gentle badger]

https://pokepast.es/3995eba11267a7e6
cuz this is the team reccomended to me

[autumn vault]

I would go wellspring since grimmsnarl screens is super useful and follow me isn't needed on a set up sweeper's team

[autumn vault]

You already have 3

[solid frigate]

i might just keep it as it is

[gentle badger]

I don't have Raging Bolt

[autumn vault]

You can get one in this server

It is way more likely to be legit

[gentle badger]

how

[molten oasis]

You need to try to trade for one that’s the only way

Go to #trading_sv

[torn parrot]

never seen this before but i love it

[autumn vault]

I hate it

[molten oasis]

Lmao it got updated

[solid frigate]

also Urshifu just decimates Tornadus-

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 92 Def Tornadus on a critical hit: 126-153 (67.7 - 82.2%) -- approx. 2HKO

Its still not gonna kill but still

[molten oasis]

You hate it cuz zekrom isn’t being suggested for usage, which it shouldn’t

[molten oasis]

Do you have a 0 attack calyrex

[autumn vault]

It can win, unlike cosmog and cosmoem

[solid frigate]

uhhh Drago,can you tell me the EVs that you give me on Torn? is it the Bulky version?

[molten oasis]

everytbing can win that doesn’t mean it should be used

[bold geode]

Make sure the Raging Bolt ain't shiny cuz if it is, that's definitely hacked

[autumn vault]

Just because someone says to someone else that it shouldn't be used doesn't mean it shouldn't be used, it can be for fun, not competitively

[molten oasis]

[gentle badger]

no I never buyed the SwSh dlc

[molten oasis]

anyway lemme get those evs

[autumn vault]

Competitively true

But casually use what you want

[molten oasis]

You’re a casual

[autumn vault]

If you want to get high placements then they are less likely to get it

[molten oasis]

I automatically assume the people asking for help want the best for their teams

[torn parrot]

the bear part makes me happy

[molten oasis]

So I’m not gonna suggest to people to use giratina or kyurem black unless they REALLY want to and are too stubborn to do something else

[autumn vault]

We have been around this in circles now, i will not continue this discussion about zekrom, it is pointless and it won't achieve anything

[gentle badger]

well, at least I still have the Walking Wake I caught on my old save then transferred to home to transfer to my new save.

[molten oasis]

Great idea

Anyway yea @gentle badger you probably need to make a post and try to offer like shinies or smth

Or legendaries

[autumn vault]

Or both

[molten oasis]

And make sure they’re legit

[torn parrot]

I love your Zekrom

[autumn vault]

Are you serious? Or are you just sarcastic?

[torn parrot]

no i think its cool

[gentle badger]

I offered the spare Iron Crown I have from my old save that I got the same way I got Walking Wake from my old save.

[autumn vault]

Like what about it

[autumn vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

I never said the teams aren’t cool btw

[torn parrot]

your dragon dance set seems fun

[molten oasis]

I’m just saying for the sake of improvement I’m not gonna suggest it

[autumn vault]

It is, if you know how to play it ofc but it isn't unfun

[gentle badger]

welp, guess all I can do rn is get a Girafarig.

[solid frigate]

Farigiraf*

[molten oasis]

Remake the post every so often

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cff3dc1c61d8dd46 I want to try my best for once, any suggestions?

[molten oasis]

Looks standard

[autumn vault]

So no drawbacks?

[molten oasis]

I don’t see any issues with it

[autumn vault]

Or none that are obvious

[molten oasis]

Shifu looks kinda off but idt it’s bad there

Mienshao could also work there

[autumn vault]

True

Urshifu is there to counter rock types and be a part of the non-tr mode

I have tested this, just a few weeks ago

I barely remember anything of that session

[molten oasis]

Counter, what?

[solid frigate]

if i saw a Mienshao on someone team,i am scared lol cuz Fake out or Feint can destroy my Terapagos and open for CC

[autumn vault]

Rock types

[molten oasis]

Name a relevant rock type rn that isn’t hisuian Arcanine

[solid frigate]

Boulder?

[autumn vault]

Garganacl