competitive_discussion

[rustic mountain]

this one is still lower ladder tho (1300 something) so gta try nd maintain that to top 500

gta start building some teams in game soon

[charred saddle]

oh ur instantly playing when reg G drops?

[rustic mountain]

y not

i dm'd u

[azure ether]

I don't have a pc so I can't test on showdown
Everything will be done on cart instead

[rustic mountain]

u can play sd on mobile

not ideal but yea

[charred saddle]

idk hahah, im always scared to play new regulations. so i always waited for the meta to settle in

[rustic mountain]

nah

if i lose i lose haha im jus trynna play. gta actually get some games in on reg f before its over i havent played in like a month on cart

[azure ether]

Unfortunate that the poketuber i watched for builds ended up being a terrible person so now I'm gonna have to find out stuff myself

[pearl wind]

whats the worst that could happen? just throw your palkia in there and see

[charred saddle]

dude all my palkia recipe rn is shit and u want me to bring shit recipe to my fave mon?

hell nah

[mighty stump]

Wuss

[mighty stump]

Boy do I have the post for you

[rustic mountain]

good new blogpost btw

[mighty stump]

Thank

It was over 5500 words long

[rustic mountain]

yea it was a lot

informative tho

[charred saddle]

nasi goreng kecombrang ato nasi goreng ikan asin cepet

[rustic mountain]

im gna yoink ur terapagos spread

[minor panther]

i dunno what a "meta team" is all i know is metronome sharpness kleavor fury cutter

[rustic mountain]

[azure ether]

thank you so much for the post! it's very helpful for an "I click buttons" person like myself.

[gentle crag]

blink6138 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[cyan smelt]

yeah i still don't think i get ev spreads

[minor panther]

but unironically this silly set is funny

[rustic mountain]

what is the confusion on spreads

[minor panther]

its so funny seeing a 4x resist getting obliterated

[charred saddle]

didnt u just say that u understood it recently?

[rustic mountain]

also for reg g, not worth going crazy over a meta that isnt settled/formed yet

like usually calcs u have baselines for common threats and moves u calc for and common spreads for u to calculate ur own damage thresholds

or u can be like me, mainly yoink good spreads and just go off internal calcs and vibes from games played

[charred saddle]

yoinking set is always good

[rustic mountain]

[minor panther]

for those who want to try the set out, the main things you want are:
kleavor, with sharpness, and holding metronome
the two important moves are fury cutter and agility

you set up agility and then fury cutter the opposing team

the joy of watching a heatran get obliterated by a bug move is unlike any other

oh, and bug tera is also good if you want to insure a kill

[rustic mountain]

who plays heatran anymore

rip the homie

[minor panther]

idk but the fury cutter one shot a heatran once

[rustic mountain]

this had to be like reg d

[strange fjord]

maybe singles? is heatran relevant there?

[minor panther]

i was just using it in showdown, which i havent played in awhile actually

[rustic mountain]

fair i jus genuinely have not seen heatran in awhile

wait i think it had a slight resurgence in reg e

[charred saddle]

no one is playing heatran yeah

even in reg F its only a handful

[rustic mountain]

gta b like 1% or less atm

[charred saddle]

and even then, non STAB ground KOs it anyway

[minor panther]

anyways im going to make a team centered entirely around armaldo later

[rustic mountain]

heatran was cool for a bit

[charred saddle]

armaldo isnt even in?

[rustic mountain]

the meta has jus consistently not favored it

[minor panther]

showdown i mean-

[minor panther]

unfortunately

[strange fjord]

oh nat dex i guess

[rustic mountain]

yea they said sd

so many formats

[minor panther]

also i wonder

[charred saddle]

idk always formatting my brain to VGC

[rustic mountain]

lol

[minor panther]

is a mega scizor bullet punch stronger or weaker thanna tera steel scizor bulllet punch

its been a thing ive been wondering about for awhile

[rustic mountain]

just run the calc

[charred saddle]

just calc it

[warped mason]

Aight lunala teams feel pretty good against calyrex.

[charred saddle]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[cyan smelt]

none of the teams i build ever work

[warped mason]

For lunala?

[minor panther]

tera steel bullet is stronger than mega bullet

[cyan smelt]

no not lunala

[cyan smelt]

i mean in general, i can't teambuild for shit

[mighty stump]

ikan asin babi

[median sparrow]

If Focus Punch fails due to the pokemon being hit, does that trigger Stomping Tantrum/Raging Fury's doubled damage?

[warped mason]

Is galarian moltres viable in reg g?

[mighty stump]

Yea

[mighty stump]

Probably

[median sparrow]

good to know

[warped mason]

What restricteds would u pair it with?

[median sparrow]

imma make the worlds most cursed regigigas set then

[mighty stump]

Kyogre

[warped mason]

Really? Whats the merit of pairing it with kyogre.

[mighty stump]

Hurricane access, improves Caly-S MU

[warped mason]

Hmmm

[mighty stump]

Allows you to augment Goltres' usually poor STAB options

I don't even run Fiery Wrath.

[warped mason]

Do u have a kyogre moltres team already you're willing to share?

[mighty stump]

@marble coral Ask this guy cause I made it for him

[warped mason]

And what are u replacing fiery wrath with

[mighty stump]

Snarl

then Foul Play as secondary

[warped mason]

So hurricane snarl foul play protect?

And would u cut torn for it or still run torn.

[cyan smelt]

So I'm happy with hoodra, Grimm, urshi and calyrex I guess but I'm not so sure about rilla and incin

[mighty stump]

Moltres-Galar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Berserk
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snarl
• Foul Play
• Tailwind
• Hurricane

[warped mason]

Ah so moltres is your tailwind setter instead of torn

[mighty stump]

run Amoonguss over Rillaboom and see how you feel

Make sure Incin has Knock Off

[cyan smelt]

I'll try the sussy mushroom and incin does have knock off

[azure tapir]

So, I'm currently 6/5 ATM. Team building is worse than I thought

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106151269-0vskxatssojmf0amhqx9ihtmxhfaiwbpw

Well timed Crit lol

But seriously Ceruledge??? thats like the 2nd time i see a Ceruledge on a Koraidon Team

[autumn vault]

Just making my Legendary notes so when i get out of my break i can relearn at what i left off and some very important Zekrom notes to get back at it whe i do come back

[autumn vault]

I think you meant Stomping Tantrum and Temper Flare

Raging Fury is literally fire type outrage

[solid frigate]

I'm Making Dialga's Next

[cyan smelt]

Is it worth running fake out then temper flare for when they protect

Why is ceruledge making a comeback

[solid frigate]

Wha

[cyan smelt]

No you said you'd seen ceruledge twice

[solid frigate]

yeah they just died to Ogerpon for both times

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't ceruledge like auto die to flutter and miraidon and kyogre

[solid frigate]

Yeah idk why they run that

[cyan smelt]

Incin deals with it pretty easily too

[upbeat quail]

How should I build a Farig for Reg G?

[solid frigate]

Farigiraf @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 244 HP / 132 Def / 76 SpA / 52 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psychic
• Dazzling Gleam
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[charred saddle]

farig can run shadowball for caly S if u want

it can wall and threaten 4x to caly S

[solid frigate]

thats also true

[mighty stump]

cough Foul Play cough

[charred saddle]

bang, nasi goreng ikan asinnya asin

[gentle crag]

abused1 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

dan ibu lo gendut

apa lagi yang baru

[charred saddle]

so rude

[molten oasis]

I slept for 12 hours

[solid frigate]

thats good

[molten oasis]

Yes but also no

I thought I’d be up earlier to do stuff

It’s only 9 so I don’t work for a while, but still

Wasn’t expecting to sleep that long

[timber falcon]

anyone have calcs for that one bulky torn

i deleted all my useless teams so i lost the set

[mighty stump]

Sounds like youre pretty tired

[stray badger]

Any new Reg G developments since the last time I asked for help building teams?

[timber falcon]

when was the last time

[stray badger]

12 days ago

[molten oasis]

yuh

[timber falcon]

i dont think much has changed

[timber falcon]

after all, its not officially out yet

[molten oasis]

school is kicking my ass

[timber falcon]

you have exams?

[molten oasis]

next week yea

[timber falcon]

oof

[molten oasis]

lots of studying

[timber falcon]

ive got mine in 2 months so im in the clear for npw

[stray badger]

I mean it's available to be played in Showdown, isn't it?

[molten oasis]

reg g? yea

[stray badger]

Also it turns out I had the trans ally on my time without realizing it
https://pokepast.es/0e35c40434b9f142

[molten oasis]

wha?

[stray badger]

Amoongus

[molten oasis]

well anyway time to go play vgc first thing as i wake up

[mighty stump]

Or get breakfast first

Drink some water

[stray badger]

I'm still working on unlocking Cresselia

[molten oasis]

i already did

[timber falcon]

u guys play in the morning?

[molten oasis]

all of that, ive been up longer than that lol

i play when i have timje

[mighty stump]

tbf I play in my brain

[molten oasis]

which is rn

[mighty stump]

I can genuinely play Showdown in my head

Addict mode

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[molten oasis]

fr

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-math-card-counting-hangover-gif-5702972

Genuinely how it feels

[timber falcon]

best i can do is take notes on what my next plain is

[stray badger]

I'm not good at Showdown because it doesn't tell me my type interactions

[chrome knot]

bruh

[molten oasis]

gotta learn your type chart then

[timber falcon]

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/en/

thats what i use now, it helps

[stray badger]

I have it on the ready

[molten oasis]

gonna give this snow team another go since im not sleep deprived

[timber falcon]

oh, what did you cook?

Kblack?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/838e03d42ef73098

[timber falcon]

oh AV kWhite

[molten oasis]

it had iron val but i dont really like iron val, frail as shit

[mighty stump]

Did you run Sash

[timber falcon]

sash

[molten oasis]

it was booster speed control

[brazen bough]

Man i need a shiny zaci now

[mighty stump]

What am I playing against wtf

[molten oasis]

could try sash ig

wtf

[timber falcon]

I TOLD YOU GUYS IT EXISTS

[brazen bough]

Is this the meme set you referred to?

[solid frigate]

welp time to grind Ogre Oustin to make Dialga Team

Ok wtf is that Calyrex

[brazen bough]

Aside from item

[timber falcon]

YEAH

[brazen bough]

I heard they run tera fairy dkiss

[solid frigate]

what are their Team members

[mighty stump]

What meme sets

[timber falcon]

I KNEW THE SPECS TRICK AND PROTECT CALY-S EXISTED. IM NOT DELUSIONAL

[brazen bough]

For caly s

[stray badger]

I did just get shiny Dialga

[molten oasis]

i found a non restricted team

[timber falcon]

low ladder?

[molten oasis]

most likely

he just tried to encore a gholdengo

[timber falcon]

lul

[brazen bough]

have you run into any smeargles?

[molten oasis]

not today i just started playing

[timber falcon]

that shit right there

[molten oasis]

im fucking 4-8 on this account wtf

[timber falcon]

.....

[molten oasis]

OH, this was the team i played the miradon team with yesterday thats why

[mighty stump]

anyways 2-0'd that guy his team lost to choice scarf Urshifu

[molten oasis]

kek

[mighty stump]

Lul

[timber falcon]

just enough speed to outspeed timid caly

[mighty stump]

5-1 atm

[timber falcon]

with what mon

[molten oasis]

i just fought a rampardos

that killed his own lunala

[timber falcon]

interesting

oh

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106307841

[timber falcon]

why though

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

dondozo master class

3 KOs

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106309964

[timber falcon]

wait a dang minute

why didnt e force hit waterpon there

turn 1

[molten oasis]

articuno is a flying type

it doesn't get the effects of terrain

[timber falcon]

oh thats interesting

so that guy is blissfully unaware hes not getting the boosts?

and then sacks the lunala as tr ends

when it should have had wide guard

[mighty stump]

bro let TR get up a second time wtf

[timber falcon]

i forgot i didnt have tatsu boosts

[solid frigate]

Dozo moment

[timber falcon]

i should have body presses into caly-i idk why i prioritised shifu

but i think thats when i end making zama teams

im happy with what i got rn

[timber falcon]

tatsu not needed

[mighty stump]

Dondozo not needed either if you clicked Body Press into Caly I

[timber falcon]

i know i know

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106314313 (i think) im playing better now

im also in low ladder

but, its better than yesterday so far

[mighty stump]

its weird they went for Flare Blitz + Taunt when one or the other will do the job of denying AVeil

Gleam + Collision Course was so safe there

Nice protects thoguh

[timber falcon]

does Ho-Oh have potential this reg

[solid frigate]

Dozo is decent on its own it seems,i saw some teams ran dozo without tatsu

[timber falcon]

yeah it can finction rly well, on tung lu gouging teams

and its got yawn

[solid frigate]

i beat it before and i am impressed on that team

the opposing Dozo team

[timber falcon]

i lost to it, the stall was crazy

they set up Tspikes and spammed sub prot dozo

[solid frigate]

Saw that before...

[timber falcon]

and ruiniation ting lu

anyways i think now that my confidence is up, ima try a new mon

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2078374829

Yeah this replay i beat that team

[lean ridge]

hi all o/ I wanna get into competitive pokemon but idk where to start... any guides or things you would recommend to me?

[timber falcon]

and i have my eyes on Ho-Oh

[molten oasis]

I was calling they want to prevent veil

As that’s how kyurem gets in to finish

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[solid frigate]

I think Ho-Oh is ok,just outclassed due to loads of Fire types that are better than Ho-Oh

[timber falcon]

like what

i dont think one does what Ho-Oh does better

[lean ridge]

tysm <3 ALSO I wanna see if I can make a team with quagsire in it (cause i love him so much) is he competitively viable whatsoever?

[timber falcon]

maybe in singles

[solid frigate]

Gouging... Incin... Chi Yu.... Ogerpon...

[timber falcon]

its more of a stall mon, so maybe on a stall team it can work

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah Entei also has Sacred Fire

[lean ridge]

as in toxic/perish song sort of stall?

[timber falcon]

toxic

[fiery escarp]

rate my draft (singles)

[timber falcon]

u can utilise eterantus for it

[lean ridge]

ah ok

[timber falcon]

am i to assume the horizntal mons is one team?

[fiery escarp]

quag is a toxic stall mon with unaware (making it hard to break through)

he can also run moves such as curse

[fiery escarp]

all of it is one box

[lean ridge]

is orthworm any good as well?

[timber falcon]

so, whats the team?

[fiery escarp]

so I can make teams out of the 12 mons

[timber falcon]

yeah it can work

[lean ridge]

oh I forgot about curse I like the idea of that

[fiery escarp]

dies to a special move but is a pretty good wall

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 968: Orthworm

Type

Steel

Abilities

Earth Eater, Sand Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/145/60/55/65

Total

480

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fiery escarp]

I once killed a dragonite with coil rock blast orthworm

[timber falcon]

with bulky evs it can live special moves

max max

[lean ridge]

ok xD this sounds great

I might build a team in showdown before trying it all in game

[solid frigate]

The Bodypress boi

[fiery escarp]

orthworm also has rocks iirc

[timber falcon]

wait baffel, are you looking for singles or doubles?

to get started

[dapper crag]

Orthworm's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Facade, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Burst, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Wrap

Special Moves

Earth Power, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Steel Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Coil, Curse, Endure, Harden, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Metal Sound, Protect, Rest, Sandstorm, Shed Tail, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Stealth Rock, Substitute

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Orthworm.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[fiery escarp]

oh yeah thats a good point

[lean ridge]

doubles probably

[fiery escarp]

orthworm is p good in doubles cuz it eats up earthquakes

[timber falcon]

ok then orthworm can work as a shed tail pivot for bulky teams

and have ground immunity

[lean ridge]

what sort of other pokemon would you recommend for that then?

[fiery escarp]

rock slide eq shed tail coil maybe

[fiery escarp]

a flying type lol

[timber falcon]

i have seen lugia orthworm teams

[fiery escarp]

corviknight

[solid frigate]

Body Press Orthworm does that work anymore or not-

[fiery escarp]

in doubles?

[timber falcon]

until it well, dies

[solid frigate]

i mean wolfey does that before,but its Very Early SV sooooo

[timber falcon]

hey it can work, but its gonna be harder to do

with mons like caly-s being very common

[fiery escarp]

I had such a funny doubles set when I played SV

pixilate skill swap sylveon into a prot pads maushold
set up gravity and suddenly I have tera fairy pixilate +2+2 maus

[solid frigate]

99% Of Orthworms uses Body Press

Well it has 0.10% Usage-

[timber falcon]

if u wanna body press, use bronzong or zama, pretty sure theyre the best rn, or kommo-o

[fiery escarp]

I've been told Mienshao is a really good caly-s counter

[timber falcon]

no

[fiery escarp]

in vgc

[timber falcon]

really good is an overstatement

[lean ridge]

lmao imma make playing competitive pokemon really hard for myself by playing quag and orthworm I feel xD

[timber falcon]

it blocks astral barrage

[solid frigate]

e x p a n d i n g f o r c e

[fiery escarp]

and expanding force

[timber falcon]

but it cant hit most caly-s since it mainly only tuns CC

[fiery escarp]

and it also ohkos with knock

[timber falcon]

only if terrain is up

[solid frigate]

i mean Incin can do that sooooooo

[timber falcon]

most calys run fairy tera draining kiss

basically "very good" is the wrong term

[fiery escarp]

anyone can do that but not everyone can outspeed with tailwind

[timber falcon]

as a caly-s user

[fiery escarp]

idc mienshao's my second favorite mon

and ubers are mid

[timber falcon]

so its bias. Which shouldnt be used for compet but ok

[solid frigate]

Incin is DOU-

[timber falcon]

as a lugia lover, this hurts btw

[fiery escarp]

(also wide guard breaks spread moves)

[timber falcon]

yeah we know

[fiery escarp]

lugia's okay but I still hate ubers

[solid frigate]

Thats why Mienshao and Iron Valiant are Popular rn

[fiery escarp]

that's why my entire draft contains a single uber and it's just for the funny

[timber falcon]

what format u play

[fiery escarp]

draft generally

[timber falcon]

huh?

[fiery escarp]

draft tournaments

[solid frigate]

VGC DOubles or Smogon he means

[timber falcon]

ohh ok

[fiery escarp]

what

[timber falcon]

draft tourneys

well, i cant help u with those

[solid frigate]

I don't think i can help on it

[timber falcon]

never done them

[fiery escarp]

yeah I dont really need "help" exactly I just want yall to rate my draft box lol

[solid frigate]

Sorry Slowsu

[timber falcon]

cant rate what i dont know

[fiery escarp]

I have a few funny strats

[timber falcon]

gimmicks

[fiery escarp]

ye

[solid frigate]

So is it fine if we rate by How good they are by VGC Standards?

[timber falcon]

the forbidden game strats

[fiery escarp]

uh it's a singles tourney but sure

[fiery escarp]

do yall know the power of defense curl

[dapper crag]

Move: Defense Curl

Raises the user's Defense by 1 stage. As long as the user remains active, the power of the user's Ice Ball and Rollout will be doubled (this effect is not stackable).

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

40 (64)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Well

This is probably gonna be an irrelevant conversation rating wise since the formats don't correlate

[timber falcon]

smeagle-muk

[solid frigate]

Muk Scovillain:

[fiery escarp]

I have no clue what this means

[timber falcon]

its a doubles gimmick, (hated)

moody muk with mimimize is basically the strat

[solid frigate]

Alolan Muk+Scovillain:Evil Bastard

[fiery escarp]

ah

[timber falcon]

then stall tf out

[next stump]

Alcremie is an insane pokemon

[timber falcon]

decorate and sweat veil?

[fiery escarp]

how is evasion legal in sv lmao

that sounds so toxic

[solid frigate]

VGC allow Evasiveness

[timber falcon]

what do you run with it?

[fiery escarp]

just run stomp for guaranteed 120 power trust

[mighty stump]

SWEAT VEIL

[timber falcon]

NO

MY SPELLING FAILS ME AGAIN

[next stump]

caly-I and bloodmoon

[lean ridge]

lMAO SWEAT VEIL IM DYING

[mighty stump]

Oh you're on that train too? It's been cropping up

[timber falcon]

oooo

[timber falcon]

what-

no no no i dont wanna see that shit

i always forget i cant taunt

[dapper crag]

Ability: Sweet Veil

This Pokemon and its allies cannot fall asleep, but those already asleep do not wake up immediately. This Pokemon and its allies cannot use Rest successfully or become affected by Yawn, and those previously affected will not fall asleep.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[next stump]

the team gets rolled by amoonguss but completely invalidating it makes the matchup free

[solid frigate]

Pention Gamefreak to make a New Regional Form of Alcremie-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 869: Alcremie

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Sweet Veil, Aroma Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/60/75/110/121/64

Total

495

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Ability: Aroma Veil

This Pokemon and its allies cannot become affected by Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, or Torment.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

this right here

[mighty stump]

both pretty good

[fiery escarp]

anyways back to defense curl

Tailwind (wind rider)
defense curl
tera rock

+2 speed, +1 def, +1 atk, 120 bp stab rollout (tera boost + def curl double)

[next stump]

it’s tough maneuvering around wide guard and amoonguss at the same time but it’s doable

[fiery escarp]

I will destroy exactly one person in this draft league

[timber falcon]

maybe for amoongus u dont press tr? idk you could run booster BM

but it may be too much

[mighty stump]

If you're already going for +2 might as well go for a defensive tera

[timber falcon]

is this a lot?

i cant tell what it exactly means

does it just cap at 120?

[fiery escarp]

base 120 power

it doubles again every turn it's used

[timber falcon]

oh wtf

[fiery escarp]

also I have +2 speed +1 atk +1 defense

[timber falcon]

pretty good plan

[fiery escarp]

lesgo

[timber falcon]

butttt

[fiery escarp]

I got the approval of the doublers

[timber falcon]

no no

[mighty stump]

I only see one person encouraging you

[fiery escarp]

shh

[timber falcon]

im not encouraging it

hence the "butttt"

i doubt the plan is gonna work

[fiery escarp]

moltres has tailwind and uturn

[molten oasis]

what is happening

[fiery escarp]

dumb singles strat

[timber falcon]

you have to set up tw AND defence curl. Now i havent played singles in a while, but what if they happen to just go in for the kill

[mighty stump]

OTOT giving approval to a casual player

I'm just watching

[molten oasis]

[fiery escarp]

tailwind isn't on brambleghast

[knotty mirage]

Is there any restricted mon that's good for trick room that's not caly ice ?

[timber falcon]

NUH UH

[molten oasis]

sounds like a sit and watch moment indeed

[fiery escarp]

I only need to do defense curl
also sash

[timber falcon]

moltres?

[fiery escarp]

moltres

[timber falcon]

yeah what if it dies

[fiery escarp]

or scyther if I want to get fancy

[mighty stump]

Dialga/Palkia/Necrozma Dusk Mane are more of your options

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 146: Moltres

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Flame Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/90/125/85/90

Total

580

Other Formes

Moltres-Galar

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Lunala?

[fiery escarp]

it's pretty bulky

[knotty mirage]

Oh i might need to check the speed IV of my necrozma then

[fiery escarp]

lunala has tailwind?

[timber falcon]

basically lemme get the point straight. your plan CAN work, but its gonna work 1 in 5 attempts

its a gimmick

[knotty mirage]

Oh thank god it'a decent

[fiery escarp]

well yeah I'm not playing to win I just wanna screw over a random guy in the draft

[timber falcon]

:/

[knotty mirage]

My lunala speed IV is best tho

[fiery escarp]

I dont like ubers

[mighty stump]

I really wanna know how you got this statistic

[timber falcon]

dont just sit and correct me and help me out

[fiery escarp]

also even if they OHKO the moltres it's generally faster than anything that can run a rock move so I'm getting off the tailwind either way

[mighty stump]

I'm not correcting you I wanna see the math

[fiery escarp]

what even is your point I dont want to win I just want to do a funny on someone

[timber falcon]

i made it up 😭

[mighty stump]

Lol

[fiery escarp]

source: trust me bro

[timber falcon]

yk i quit

i aint good at this advice thing

[mighty stump]

Idk why you started in the first place

[fiery escarp]

I just wanted like a number

[mighty stump]

But it did give me a good 10 minutes of entertainment

[fiery escarp]

like a 2/10 or a 7/10

[timber falcon]

oh then 3/10

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2106337798 i love gholdengo

[timber falcon]

u shouldve said this so long ago

[fiery escarp]

I did

[timber falcon]

oh

[fiery escarp]

literally I said like twice to just rate it )-)

what does rating mean to yall 😭

[timber falcon]

well i wanted to know what it did first, then we got off track so yeah mb

[knotty mirage]

Can i get opinion on this team maybe if there something that needed fix i plan to use this for reg G
https://pokepast.es/27cb2325d772a1b3

[fiery escarp]

I also have like the general

wallbreak, setup, phys/spec wall, hazard removal, grounded poison, ground type, utility

[molten oasis]

definetly just needed sleep lol

[fiery escarp]

like I could just run it as a normal team but

funny gimmick

[timber falcon]

mhm

ok now, can Ho-Oh work this reg

[molten oasis]

its alright

there's not a lot of rocks so it can do something, sacred fire is nice

[fiery escarp]

I dont know how necessary it is in doubles but is it necessary to have four protect mons-

[timber falcon]

the other day i saw life dew + gastro Ho-Oh

[molten oasis]

however i think in general entei is better cuz inner focus good

[fiery escarp]

also is parting shot not used in doubles

[grizzled bronze]

yes

[molten oasis]

then you get to run an item

[timber falcon]

i mean, ho-oh has that bulk

[warped mason]

Aight, gapdos + lunala team is so much fun

[torn parrot]

Terapagos is a pretty cool pokemon
You can force an opponent to not tera they have to swap out or take a superffective hit from the side mon

[molten oasis]

instead of being kinda forced to run clear amu

[molten oasis]

yea, terapagos is good

[knotty mirage]

I say you def need it on every mon for vgc

[timber falcon]

hmmm yeah ig

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

although im learning

[timber falcon]

nuh uh

[grizzled bronze]

not every like most of them

[knotty mirage]

If the mon on more offensive side i guess

[timber falcon]

unless AV or band and those ofc

[knotty mirage]

If it's support yeah it's not necessary

[molten oasis]

you can kinda go for kills on things without worrying about the terapgos team clicking tera on NOT the terapgos

[timber falcon]

not neccesarily, miracle seed rilla is an example

[molten oasis]

usually, you still have a 120 bp single target move in base so you could tera other things

[knotty mirage]

So anything wrong with this team ?

[timber falcon]

its just i that mon values prot or not

[molten oasis]

protect is not required on every mon

[timber falcon]

looks fine tbh, have u tested it?

testing helps to better identify the problem

[knotty mirage]

Not yet

[timber falcon]

if there is one

[molten oasis]

mm weakness policy

[warped mason]

Galarian moltres

[knotty mirage]

Because the only place i can use it is casual

[timber falcon]

draining kiss gimmick

[grizzled bronze]

showdown

[molten oasis]

go sitrus berry

[warped mason]

U can test it on showdown

[molten oasis]

on goltres

[knotty mirage]

Which just gonna end up on fighting 6 restricted mon

[molten oasis]

you get extra bulk

[knotty mirage]

With calyrex around i'm not sure

[molten oasis]

and you're already nasty plot

caly does not want to see a goltres

[knotty mirage]

Anything else other than berry ?

[timber falcon]

not rly, when comfey is net to it, it can work. Ive used it b4

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[warped mason]

Maybe sinischa if you're on weakness policy? Moltres is a mon that wants to stick around

[molten oasis]

OTOT sitrus allows goltes to stick on the field longer EVEN WITH COMFEY

[timber falcon]

but it doesnt allow immediate damage

[molten oasis]

it matters, you're not always gonna have it on the field

a team like this is generally slow to set up

thats just normal

and he has an immediate damage mode with tornshifu

also you can go scarf on urshifu

[timber falcon]

ok ill agree sitrus is better, but WP can work too

[grizzled bronze]

also weakness policy no? you need a turn to activate it

[knotty mirage]

Noted

[timber falcon]

comfee with +3 priority lets goltres hit hard 1st turn is what i meant

[knotty mirage]

Yeah triage is nice

[grizzled bronze]

and if you say comfey side target goltres shenanigans then you're forced to lead that every time

[molten oasis]

go sitrus, you already have nasty plot

and yes that relies on you leading comfey

[timber falcon]

but hey its a gimmick so i wouldnt say its better than sitrus in most cases, just saying it works

[molten oasis]

instead of incin for fo pressure

[grizzled bronze]

yeah

[molten oasis]

oh, go calm mind on terapagos

[timber falcon]

i mean, it IS a gimmick set

[molten oasis]

over ice beam

you do enough damage with starstorm at +1

[grizzled bronze]

i mean for fun ig but consistency way better

[warped mason]

I'm gonna yoink this. Been trying to get an excuse to run goltres in vgc.

[solid frigate]

I tried Clear Amulet Calm Mind Terapagos before since Tornadus has Cloak

[molten oasis]

i think cloak is better but that works

you stop parting shot which is good

[knotty mirage]

I mean just in case if i don't want to tera my terapagos but noted

[timber falcon]

welp ima go and eat some food, my yapping has made me feel dumber and my opinions spew out like a can of beans (bad beans)

[grizzled bronze]

happens

[molten oasis]

you have a +1 120 bp single target attack if you don't tera it

[solid frigate]

Terapagos-Terastal @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 116 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Earth Power
• Protect

EVs can be subjective,but mostly this moveset

[molten oasis]

also if you're bringing terapagos you SHOULD be using its tera

[solid frigate]

still pretty good tho

[solid frigate]

Bulk is insane,but i kinda see a Reoccuring Thing for my Restricted,Both Dialga and Terapagos is weak to Koraidon

[molten oasis]

then you need things to handle it

[mighty stump]

ehh

Not a hard rule

I feel thats a noobtrap a lot of Terapagos players will fall into

[knotty mirage]

Is there any other good restricted then the only think i can think of using is terapagos because almost all of my restricted is reserved for terra raid

[molten oasis]

i see

[mighty stump]

Define good

[next stump]

what are the common EVs for calm mind terapagos

testing out a lead into it

[molten oasis]

tofu prob got you on that

[mighty stump]

Mine is just this

Terapagos @ Power Herb
Ability: Tera Shift
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Meteor Beam
• Tera Starstorm
• Protect
• Calm Mind

[next stump]

thank you

[mighty stump]

It's nothing fancy

[knotty mirage]

I don't think i really have an answer but probably something that's doesn't need set up but can still do good damage

[molten oasis]

i think its lots of 252 252 tho but living something like koraidon collision course is nice

[mighty stump]

Miraidon/Koraidon

[molten oasis]

clear amu groudon

[mighty stump]

Caly-S/Caly-I

Kyogre

[molten oasis]

uhm

kyurem white

[knotty mirage]

I will go for kyogre then

[mighty stump]

We can run a set if you want

[knotty mirage]

I want to use caly if i can have both i and s on same save file

[mighty stump]

Just get two Calys

One 0 Spe Calyrex and one non

Horses don't matter

[molten oasis]

since both forms use the same item idt you can have both ice rider and shadow rider fused at the same time

[knotty mirage]

Yeah sadly that's the case

[mighty stump]

Its not a held item though

[knotty mirage]

And i use my caly ice for raid

[molten oasis]

so yea like tofu said just have 2 caly's

[mighty stump]

So couldnt you use the key item multiple times

[molten oasis]

its the same situation as kyurem

i think its just the game file logic, idk

that's just what it is

[knotty mirage]

I mean i can do that but it just seem's painful needing to pp up astral barrage and glacial lance everytime i want it to change form

[rustic mountain]

they r pretty easy items to acquire

[molten oasis]

true

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough still sucks though

[rustic mountain]

its annoying

no doubt on that

[knotty mirage]

If they can just keep the pp everytime it change form

[rustic mountain]

hopefully a feature they add in the future

[torn parrot]

Mama mia

[polar canyon]

Seems easy to forget

[rustic mountain]

comp qol has improved immensely in a few gens so id expect theyd continue to add/improve stuff

[knotty mirage]

Hopefully

[polar canyon]

Took them long enough

While I appreciate it it's also wild how long it took for competitive to be accessible

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

i want this

its cute

[polar canyon]

Get a ninetales plush along with it

[molten oasis]

if they have one

[knotty mirage]

You can go wild with it this team is pretty much just afterthought after i watch so many vgc youtuber

[molten oasis]

they dont but i have alolan vulpix

[polar canyon]

Close enough

[rustic mountain]

yea in some ways, but comp really has only seen a huge boom these past cppl gens. they didnt either care enough or have enough of an idea how they wanted to craft that space. hell it took em 4 gens to even split phys and special attack

[polar canyon]

Eviolite vulpix

[molten oasis]

im sorry im looking at the plushies for a9

[polar canyon]

They've had official championships for so many years now

[molten oasis]

the snout is so squished lmao

[rustic mountain]

i get it but even that has been a huge shift, the 1st "modern" vgc wc was on like battle revolution

not excusing anything but its undergone a lot of change

[polar canyon]

They made hacking no longer excusable

Because it doesn't take days or weeks to get a team ready

[molten oasis]

i need to shiny hunt my own a9 sometime

i just have a traded one that isn't hack checked (id like to seriously compete sometime)

[rustic mountain]

its a solid shiny

better to just get it urself yea

unless u really trust em

[molten oasis]

wow, Walmart sell those a9 plushies AT $70

wait the pokemon center has en for, uh

$22

ok, so that and the kyurem sitting cutie are $35, very nice

ill buy that, at a later date probably

[molten oasis]

yuh, i dont lol

ill go hunt one eventually

[rustic mountain]

[patent marsh]

An item that -1 from IVs per use in gen10 surely copium

[rustic mountain]

let us get rusted bottle caps 1st

[patent marsh]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

that one seems better but also a long shot

[patent marsh]

Set to 0 is more needed

[rustic mountain]

cuz u could use wat u said to get 0iv speed or w/e but idk for gf just seems more involved for them

[mighty stump]

mama mia

[stray badger]

I still am devastated that not only is there a H-Goodra plush and nothing for the rest of both lines, but its also been sold out forever

I only looked at the plush when it was only in the Japan store and when I found out it was in the NA store it was already sold out

[rustic mountain]

feel like we have quite a few h goodra fans here

[chrome knot]

ivs are so easy to get no lie

[polar canyon]

Getting 0 speed and spatk is a minor inconvenience now

[stray badger]

There's also a Goomy plush but it's also sold out and was also over $40

[polar canyon]

I wonder if very unpopular ones are really cheap

Is there a cascoon plush

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/cascoon.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/silcoon.gif

[polar canyon]

These guys

[stray badger]

$10.99, 4 3/4th in. Part of the sitting cuties line

Though the point of the sitting cuties is that they're slowly making one for every pokemon generation by generation, so it will still be a while until Gen 6 probably...

[polar canyon]

I can't imagine asking someone what their favorite pokemon is and them responding cascoon or silcoon

I'm calling the police if that happens

[chrome knot]

gen 7 sitting cuties will go hard

[polar canyon]

I need a pyukumuku sitting cutie

Or 2

So I can hold one on each hand

[polar canyon]

The way it's stitched makes it look like it had surgery

[warped mason]

What is the synergy between comfy and galarian moltres again?

[autumn vault]

That looks very weird ngl

[polar canyon]

In gen 8 it would be wp self proc with max airstream

[stray badger]

That is also literally the only Cascoon merch in Pokemon Center

[polar canyon]

Now idk probably just healing back up after berserk activates

[warped mason]

So in gen 9 there's less

What about comfy and terapogos

[stray badger]

There aren't even any card packs

[polar canyon]

Terapagos wants to live as long as possible

And being healed is the opposite of being hurt so

Long ass possible

[lean ridge]

so im trying to build my first ever team - what would you all recommend when choosing tera types?

[polar canyon]

Defensive

Think about making your pokemon resist moves more than using it for damage

[lean ridge]

do I go for types that resist the ones that would be super effective against me then?

[stray badger]

Somehow the Silcoon plush is worse

[polar canyon]

You can also use them for utility like fake out immunity with ghost and spore + rage powder immunity with grass

[lean ridge]

ah ok

ty :)

[shadow wind]

Or if the Pokémon has a funny ability like flash fire.

Grass is an amazing Tera in that situation.

Or fire tera on a storm drain Pokémon.

There are certain interactions that work really well.

[warped mason]

Seems like koraidon is a sleeper pick right now
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/661d1adabd59c305cfa88098/standings

[rustic mountain]

idt its been a sleeper pick, a lot of ppl think its really strong

[bold geode]

Koraidon ain't a sleeper lmao

Just some people like me prefer Groudon

[rustic mountain]

yea both are viable

[shadow wind]

I love Groudon.

[warped mason]

All u see online tho is people talking how it loses to flutter

[solid frigate]

Kyogre really got silent after Koraidon and Groudon joint forces

[bold geode]

Also JoeUX9 on stream mentioned Rillaboom and said "it could have Tera Normal to sit in front of Caly S like

[rustic mountain]

tons of things lose matchups in a vaccuum, doesnt mean they arent good

[warped mason]

I mean, kyogre did pretty well in this tourney

And tourney results in general

More so than what you'd normally expect from it, given all the hate

[rustic mountain]

did well? it had 1 top 16 placement

[solid frigate]

i feel bad for Kyogre man

[warped mason]

I'd say anything about 5-3 record is good

[rustic mountain]

i think the kyogre hate is overstated but still

[solid frigate]

at least thats good where there are 2 sun users that are a threat to Kyogre

[warped mason]

1 6-3 and 1 7-3 too

That's solid

[rustic mountain]

nah kyogre used to dominate this isnt good for it. doesnt mean it isnt a good mon but i cant say that it did well

[solid frigate]

Competition is just too steep for the Orca compare to what the boi did before

[rustic mountain]

thats the only ones above 5-3 top 16 and 18, thats fringe success even for grassroot tour standards

[autumn vault]

Why was this created

[rustic mountain]

yea i think it can still thrive, jus isnt gna be like it was

[warped mason]

For a 138 tourney I'd say anything top 32 is good

[stray badger]

Because Sitting Cuties do the entire generation

[rustic mountain]

yea we gta jus agree to disagree

[solid frigate]

Yeah agree,it might not be As Good,but it will succeed to be a rain setter

[rustic mountain]

like i said its still strong, u can have ur partners and tera help u out but overall it just doesnt feel as oppressive as it was

[bold geode]

Kyogre is mid now
Unless with Archaludon, why tf is that damn bridge still strong

[autumn vault]

Arch is just built different

[warped mason]

In this tourney kyogre did well here too. 4 top 16 100 man tourney https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/66039da761164605cc78f627/standings

My bad 5

[solid frigate]

cuz Archalludon is GOATED

I still have My Archaludon Set ready for Kyogre

[warped mason]

Archaludon feels disgusting whenever I use it

Being able to snowball electro shot is strong

[solid frigate]

i love it tho- it just looks cool and the shiny is just

Mwah

Scrumptious

[pallid hare]

Because it's a well-constructed bridge

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-spongebob-drums-joke-ba-gif-22902854

[stray badger]

What are some good non-Paldean restricted mons I should prioritize shiny hunting?

[solid frigate]

Lunala,the shiny looks amazing

[stray badger]

I don't have Sw/Sh

[autumn vault]

Rayquaza Ho-oh giratina look great

[stray badger]

Those I can do tho!

[autumn vault]

And also Zygarde

[shadow wind]

Isn’t Zygarde Sw/Sh exclusive?

Besides the event.

[stray badger]

I can only really do the BDSP legendaries because the other 2 pokemon games I have are fully legendary shiny locked

[shadow wind]

BDSP.

[warped mason]

I second this

[shadow wind]

Hmm.

Kyogre and Groudon are always funny.

[solid frigate]

oh

[shadow wind]

And with Legends ZA having megas maybe the primals will come back too.

[solid frigate]

Oh fu-

[warped mason]

Lunala is also really strong as a restricted so I'm happy I can use the shiny

[shadow wind]

I find it lacking in 1 restricted formats.

Now in restricted formats with 2 Restricteds it goes crazy.

[warped mason]

Idk, I've been able to deal with both calyrex's pretty essily with it

[shadow wind]

Well that’s good.

I’m still trying to decide if I wanna go all shiny for my Reg G team.

Only one Pokémon I can’t get as a shiny so I might just get my favourites and call it good.

[warped mason]

What are you trying to shiny?

[torn parrot]

Another reason why I think fast Zama is superior Zama

You can iron defense before something hits you

Outspeeding jolly 252 ogerpon is the best thing ever

[stray badger]

By Gen 10 Gamefreak will just remove all shinies.

[torn parrot]

Sv has my favorite shiny hunting

[stray badger]

Unless you want to hunt Legendaries or be sure that you aren't missing them by them spawning and despawning immediately behind you without making a sound

[torn parrot]

You know why calyrex shadow is going to win worlds

Every one of the top restricted has a requirement for its power

Weather, terrain, tera, stat boosting, trick room

Calyrex shadow requires nothing

It already has everything it needs by existing

Astral astral astral outspeed outspeed outspeed

[stray badger]

It has everything it needs except for a shiny

[pearl wind]

it is kinda ugly tho

[stray badger]

Forehead on swole mode

[shadow wind]

Probably Groudon and Jumpluff.

Cause I don’t enjoy Flutter’s that much, Rillaboom is eh, can’t do Chi yu, and Gambit is just time consuming.

[timber falcon]

Gambit ez af to shiny hunt

[shadow wind]

And I already have a shiny Groudon so all I need is the pluff.

[shadow wind]

Is it?

[timber falcon]

Well the pre evos

[shadow wind]

Oh I guess yeah.

Now thinking about it.

Might go for that one too then.

[timber falcon]

One of the easiest shiny hunts in the game are bisharp and pawnyard

[shadow wind]

I guess they are very isolated.

[timber falcon]

Cause it’s family spawns too

[shadow wind]

Oh and that.

Well if I’m doing 3 I might as well do 5.

Actually I already have a shiny flutter, just need the boom I guess.

Is monkey easy to hunt?

[timber falcon]

Hmmm

Well I got it first try in an outbreak hunt

U don’t NEED an outbreak, but it’s better

Cause spawns get mixed with bellosom

[shadow wind]

Ah ok.

[torn parrot]

My friend was able to get me a pink doggy for my in game team

Exciting

[shadow wind]

That’s dope.

[timber falcon]

Pink dog?

[shadow wind]

Zama.

[solid frigate]

I need More Fresh Start Mochi For basically all of myy Dialga Team,and i need to get Regular Ursaluna

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-blink-steve-harvey-confused-not-sure-gif-15495627

Absolutely dope wtf

[solid frigate]

THE REACTION THO lol

[torn parrot]

They should do more legendary 7 stars

[timber falcon]

I’m in disbelief

[solid frigate]

Don't remind me of the Mewtwo Raid-

[torn parrot]

That was fun I enjoyed that

[pearl wind]

i still think they will do calyrex 7* raids, hopefully soon

[timber falcon]

[solid frigate]

No pls

[stray badger]

I wish that Pecharunt had a Shuckle mechanic so if you have it hold a mochi or something it would turn it into a special mochi

[torn parrot]

I dunno if they would give away their cash bunny like that

[solid frigate]

heck do Zacian and Zamazenta

[pearl wind]

its not in SV, its gonna be THE face of regulation G, just gib the raid

[timber falcon]

Shucked has something like that?

[stray badger]

Shuckle would turn berries it holds into berry juice

[dapper crag]

Item: Berry Juice

Restores 20 HP when at 1/2 max HP or less. Single use.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[pearl wind]

i mean even kubfu got added to SV, although only in dlc2, so its not impossible

[torn parrot]

You know what’s gonna be a gross combo during double restricted

Zamazennta calyrex shadow

[timber falcon]

I mean, spectrier and glastrier became available to everyone too

[solid frigate]

kinda wish that Legends Arceus bring back Primal Dialga ;-; but eh Origin Form Dialga looks cool

[stray badger]

I think they removed it recently because nothing is sacred

[timber falcon]

Primal dialga?

[torn parrot]

Maybe u right

Wait no

That’s not right

It’s still a cash bear it’s still dlc exclusive

[shadow wind]

Wait where do I even shiny hunt Jumpluff?

[pearl wind]

and if they are cool people they will do the same thing with mewtwo where you could get the mighty mark on mew, just this time on the honses

[timber falcon]

Comp is pay to win after all

[shadow wind]

Not the channel for this I guess but it’s fine.

[solid frigate]

yeah that Mysetry Dungeon thing,i know i am dumb wanting it

[torn parrot]

It’s just a Different dlc 💀

[timber falcon]

Oh didn’t even know this existed, that’s sick

[stray badger]

That's why I assume they still haven't released the shiny DLC legendaries (though it would have been more incentive to buy for the people who bought the SwSh DLC if they were unlocked in SV)

[solid frigate]

this

[timber falcon]

How long does it take for mystery code shiny legs to come out?

[timber falcon]

Oh the design is a bit, yk, mid (imo)

[solid frigate]

Ok imagine Origin Dialga looks like this-

[timber falcon]

That’s better

[solid frigate]

My origin Dialga is named Dark Dialga(Aka the Original Name of Primal Dialga)

the dialga that lost control over time

[timber falcon]

Oh you made that?!

[solid frigate]

No i just nicknamed it

[timber falcon]

Ah ok

[solid frigate]

Primal Dialga is real,Primal Origin is Fanmade

[stray badger]

I think the SwSh legendaries got released 2 years after the DLC so still probably a while to go

[timber falcon]

When did sv get released again?

Wasn’t it about 2 years ago

[chrome knot]

pmd mentioned

[solid frigate]

Winter 2022?

[timber falcon]

Almost

[solid frigate]

[chrome knot]

my favourite

[timber falcon]

Yeah November

[solid frigate]

In Honour for Dialga i make that Dialga team

diamond clan fans anyone?

[timber falcon]

I personally think palkia better

[solid frigate]

Everyone has Opinions,So its fine,Creation Trio are goated

[timber falcon]

🤝

[stray badger]

2 years after Sw/Sh's final DLC wave release

[timber falcon]

Ok so as long as I don’t forget to check mystery gifts I should be fine

[stray badger]

The last wave of SV was January this year

[timber falcon]

Oh 2years after dlc?

[chrome knot]

@solid frigate and a fat fucking munchlax rate the team

[solid frigate]

Mudkip goat

[chrome knot]

game called me lonely then turned me into mudkip :<

[solid frigate]

Mudkip is still Goated tho

at least its cute

[timber falcon]

Mudkip mentioned?

The best low evo starter

[solid frigate]

Agreed

[timber falcon]

Though swampert still best mon

[solid frigate]

Grovyle is the best Mid Evo mon

[timber falcon]

Yeah marshstomp don’t got much going for him

[stray badger]

Shiny Box Legends (Sw/Sh): October 19, 2021
SwSh Crown Tundra: October 22, 2020

[solid frigate]

sad

also Grovyle is carried by Mystery Dungeon,Its a good thing

[stray badger]

So maybe, like, mid January 2025

[timber falcon]

I can wait for this I guess

[stray badger]

Since S/V kinda had 3 waves

[solid frigate]

Imagine they throw the Aura Trio for us

[timber falcon]

I can’t believe it

I don’t know who they are, I should

Who are they again?

Oh XYZ

[solid frigate]

who is Gen 6 most BS Legendary?

Yeah Xerneas,Yveltal and Zygarde

[timber falcon]

Btw was geomancy generally that sickening

[solid frigate]

They can do that for Z-A

[timber falcon]

Maybe we’ll get the legends ABC

[solid frigate]

if Xerneas is in Indigo Disk DLC i will use it as my restricted lol

[solid frigate]

[timber falcon]

I mean I’m going straight for zygarde, thousand arrows is very nice

[dapper crag]

Move: Thousand Arrows

This move can hit airborne Pokemon, which includes Flying-type Pokemon, Pokemon with the Levitate Ability, Pokemon holding an Air Balloon, and Pokemon under the effect of Magnet Rise or Telekinesis. If the target is a Flying type and is not already grounded, this move deals neutral damage regardless of its other type(s). This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop. If this move hits a target under the effect of Bounce, Fly, Magnet Rise, or Telekinesis, the effect ends. If the target is a Flying type that has not used Roost this turn or a Pokemon with the Levitate Ability, it loses its immunity to Ground-type attacks and the Arena Trap Ability as long as it remains active. During the effect, Magnet Rise fails for the target and Telekinesis fails against the target.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Targets

All adjacent opponents

Introduced

Generation 6

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Birds beware

[solid frigate]

Yeah i would go for all the Aura Trio cuz they all have good sides and Zygarde is just good

[timber falcon]

What does yveltal do again?

[solid frigate]

Oblivion Wing Snarl

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 717: Yveltal

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Dark Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Oh that’s some nice bulk

[dapper crag]

Move: Oblivion Wing

The user recovers 3/4 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Flying

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

so basically Xerneas boost Flutter Mane and Yveltal boost Kingambit

[timber falcon]

Hold up the flutter one is diabolical

[solid frigate]

and Zygarde is just here to cause some Gundam shit

[solid frigate]

yeah

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 718: Zygarde-Complete

Types

Dragon/Ground

Abilities

Power Construct

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

216/100/121/91/95/85

Total

708

Base Species

Zygarde

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

But Xerneas's Antlers would look Sick tho in SV

[timber falcon]

Oh the offence is lacking with this one

[solid frigate]

but its very bulky

[timber falcon]

Are the models that much if an upgrade?

[timber falcon]

I guess, but it’s got so many offensive signatures (like 3)

[solid frigate]

i mean in XY trailers i think Xerneas's Antlers are kinda Shiny idk i forgot

[solid frigate]

Thousand Arrows,Thousand Waves,Coil,Protect

[stray badger]

Celebi, Victini, Genesect, the whole Aura Trio, the Tapus/The Ultra Beasts/other Gen 7 legends/mythicals (including Melmetal) are the only legendaries/mythicals left out of S/V entirely.
I really do think that PLZA will include some Alola plotlines.

[dapper crag]

Move: Thousand Waves

Prevents the target from switching out. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. If the target leaves the field using Baton Pass, the replacement will remain trapped. The effect ends if the user leaves the field.

Type

Ground

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Aura Trio and Tapus feels wasted cuz they might make the Future Paradox(all of them) have a purpose

[timber falcon]

What’s wrong with that though

Misty terrain has fallen off after they left

[solid frigate]

Xerneas would smoke Kyurem White-

[solid frigate]

Electric Terrain

Tapu Koko Exists

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

[autumn vault]

Hey, it is a Zygrade

[timber falcon]

But miraidon is better n most cases

[solid frigate]

is it just me or is Xerneas is gonna Smoke Kyurem White-

[autumn vault]

Koko isn't a restricted Miraidon is

[solid frigate]

Reg F?

[timber falcon]

Absolutely

Oh Koko isn’t restricted!?

[autumn vault]

Who wouldn't think that?

[autumn vault]

Yup

[solid frigate]

Yeah the Tapus aren't Restricted in Gen 7-8

[timber falcon]

Man so the terrain usage must’ve been great back then

[autumn vault]

It is me, Lycopoky in my alter ego username: Donald

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 785: Tapu Koko

Types

Electric/Fairy

Abilities

Electric Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/115/85/95/75/130

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Yah I had to check profile lol

[solid frigate]

the stat feels Odd-

[timber falcon]

They’re not great for a legend

[dapper crag]

Tapu Koko's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Brave Bird, Facade, False Swipe, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Quick Attack, Return, Sky Attack, Sky Drop, Spark, Steel Wing, Thief, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Fairy Wind, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Nature's Madness, Round, Shock Wave, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Mean Look, Mirror Move, Nature Power, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic, Withdraw, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Koko.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Lets just say i reported someone you know very well ...

[solid frigate]

no its like why is it a Physical attacker when most of us Use Special attack

[timber falcon]

?

[autumn vault]

And disguised myeslf as Donald

[autumn vault]

I rather not tell you

[timber falcon]

Ok….

Now I’m curious though lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 786: Tapu Lele

Types

Psychic/Fairy

Abilities

Psychic Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/75/130/115/95

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

wait

[dapper crag]

Tapu Lele's moveset:

Physical Moves

Astonish, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Play Rough, Psycho Cut, Return, Thief

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Moonblast, Nature's Madness, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Psywave, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Stored Power, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Aromatic Mist, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Double Team, Endure, Flatter, Gravity, Guard Swap, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Mean Look, Nature Power, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Taunt, Telekinesis, Tickle, Torment, Toxic, Withdraw, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tapu Lele.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

if it learns trick room tho-

[timber falcon]

“Donald” I must know the context behind this

Why doesn’t it have it is the question

It’s fairy and psychic, it must!

[solid frigate]

it would have competition with Fari and Indeedee

[timber falcon]

True, and the both have equally great atributes

With follow me and armour tail

[dapper crag]

Move: Aromatic Mist

Raises the target's Special Defense by 1 stage. Fails if there is no ally adjacent to the user.

Type

Fairy

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Tapu Lele has the Offense that they Lack(Not really Fari but you get the thing)

[timber falcon]

Yeah 130 is quite nice

[solid frigate]

Its the same as Stellar Terapagos

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

A silly thought sparked in my brain

Fast ursa blood moon

[timber falcon]

Been done

[solid frigate]

[polar canyon]

I know it's been done

The thought is me using it

[timber falcon]

So u wanna try it out?

Oooo that’s interesting

[polar canyon]

I've used fast hands and it worked well to an extent

[timber falcon]

But, is it gonna be both tw and tr?

[solid frigate]

I'm confused how did i beat that Dozo Yawn team

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/0d1e4354e03ff2df something like this

[timber falcon]

Oh I forgot to see the replay

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2078374829

[polar canyon]

I have the farigiraf originally for priority and tr control but now it doubles as setup for ursa

If I want it slow

[timber falcon]

Oh bm on a miraidon team?

[polar canyon]

I'm trying to be careful of rilla

Ofc ground tera is just bc I didn't set one yet

[fluid fiber]

I'm really enjoying my team but feel as if it's not fully optimized. Any suggestions for moveset or EV tweaking? I feel like screen betting Sableye is sort of a waste https://pokepast.es/2c019937c50fa414

[timber falcon]

They lost once arch reached x3

[fluid fiber]

Also would Wisp or snarl fit on Incin better?

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is the GOAT