competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

173???

How do you even take a hit of that thing

[cyan smelt]

They should've included the aura trio, yveltal would at least check caly s

[polar canyon]

I need gen 10 to have the legends games freeze rework

It's just special move burn

Frostbite

[foggy lodge]

Yveltal and Zygarde had to sacrifice to contain Xerneas

[polar canyon]

That would make ice types good

The ones that aren't calyrex

[foggy lodge]

I don't want a Tera Fairy Dazzling gleam of Xerneas at +2

[cyan smelt]

Gholdengo could tank it

[foggy lodge]

But Yveltal would be healthier for the meta and it would have been a good chance to make Zygarde good

[cyan smelt]

Also if xerneas was in I guess nobody would use flutter

[polar canyon]

Zygarde is so gonna have new forms

I want to see zygarde 75%

[foggy lodge]

Hydrogen bomb vs Hydrogen Bomb

[polar canyon]

Xerneas would take your restricted slot and mane wouldn't

Also xerneas being in the field would make flutters fairy moves stronger too right?

[foggy lodge]

The thing is if those forms are going to be good in gen 10 or Legends Z-A's competitive

[cyan smelt]

Everyone would've just run xerneas+ flutter

[dapper crag]

Ability: Fairy Aura

While this Pokemon is active, the power of Fairy-type moves used by active Pokemon is multiplied by 1.33.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

I think they are afraif about making form from games like legends too broken

[foggy lodge]

Why

[polar canyon]

To match dark aura and aura break

[timber falcon]

Why tf have I just lost to shadow ball farig

[polar canyon]

That sounds cool for caly s

[timber falcon]

It makes sense but it kills me so much

[foggy lodge]

It's actually to check Caly-Shadow!!

[polar canyon]

Are you using caly s

[timber falcon]

I was testing it out

And that shit happens to me

[polar canyon]

Use it with chi yu it would be funny

[timber falcon]

I’m dropping it, generally can’t find fun in mons I don’t really like

And caly-s is one of em

[polar canyon]

How about zacian

[cyan smelt]

Caly s and chi yu is broken

[timber falcon]

Zacian now I don’t mind

But I’m loyal to Zama

[cyan smelt]

How about Groudon

[timber falcon]

Love the design top2 legend, but I wanna save him for later

I do have my eyes on eternatus

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 890: Eternatus

Types

Poison/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

140/85/95/145/95/130

Total

690

Other Formes

Eternatus-Eternamax

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Mhm look at that

[cyan smelt]

Also dondozo is still broken even in restricted format

[timber falcon]

The bulk. The offence. The speed

[timber falcon]

Really?

[cyan smelt]

Yep

[timber falcon]

Just the classic tatsudozo?

[polar canyon]

Don't get your hopes up

[cyan smelt]

Yep still annoying to take down

[timber falcon]

I know, it’s moveset is where things go downhill tbh

[dapper crag]

Eternatus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Slam, Brutal Swing, Cross Poison, Dragon Tail, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Gunk Shot, Outrage, Payback, Poison Jab, Poison Tail, Take Down

Special Moves

Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Dynamax Cannon, Eternabeam, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mystical Fire, Round, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Dragon Dance, Endure, Gravity, Light Screen, Protect, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Venom Drench

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Eternatus.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Honestly the moveset is so ass Oml

[cyan smelt]

Idk 100 bp dragon move with no drawbacks

[timber falcon]

Easy to wall is one

It’s got trash overall coverage

[cyan smelt]

All you need is sludge bomb and flamethrower

[timber falcon]

But Is it’s spatck good enough to have no boosts

I doubt

Oh wait a min there’s meteor beam I forgot

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss fell off

[timber falcon]

Did it?

Looks fine to me

[summer shore]

@bold geode

[foggy lodge]

It's probably it's hardest reg

Miraidon terrain, Caly-Ice, Ogerpon and Rillaboom already taking the grass type spot

[timber falcon]

I mean, did it struggle in swsh restricted?

[foggy lodge]

People had to play Amoonguss with sash

[timber falcon]

Oh

[foggy lodge]

It was so funny

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Sash amoongus is crazy

Considering it’s respectable bulk

[foggy lodge]

Sash in a Pokémon that has 114 HP

Even things like Indeedee ran focus sash in double restricted sw-sh

And i think Inci focus sash was also a popular set

[timber falcon]

That one makes sense

[foggy lodge]

So it doesn't get OHK0'd by Zacian sacred sword

[timber falcon]

I thought cause of kyogre

[foggy lodge]

Also that

[timber falcon]

Eternatus @ Power Herb
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 140 HP / 116 Def / 132 SpA / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Meteor Beam
• Flamethrower
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

How’s that one

[spring cloak]

This is very specific, but I need a 0/1iv Raging Bolt for a comp team. Does anyone have one I could trade for?

[foggy lodge]

It's ilegal

Raging always has 20 Iv in speed as minimum

[spring cloak]

Oh

Showdown let me do it so I assumed I could

[timber falcon]

Showdown shouldn’t let u do that though

[foggy lodge]

Yeah for some reason the 4 paradox legendary have 20 iv in every stat

[timber falcon]

I’m pretty sure in showdown they made a viable minimum for ogerpons ivs right?

[foggy lodge]

It lets you, but when you create a Raging it always has 20 attack iv for example

[timber falcon]

Or one of em

[amber radish]

Anyone know how to induce sleep on your own pokemon? (Without comatose) (Single battles)

[spring cloak]

Side spore?

[cyan smelt]

Currently my gxe is 56.1% and I'm at 1458 for reg g, not bad, I think I'm improving

[next stump]

rest

[amber radish]

omg im stupid tysm

[gentle crag]

devon_the_cool has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[timber falcon]

Good job

[cyan smelt]

I thought it'd be worse, I used to be around 50%

All this while using ho oh and not caly or terapagos or miraidon like the cool kids

I think it helps that I'm no longer getting salty about losses either

[bold geode]

How is @summer shore

[cyan smelt]

Hi monkevgc

[bold geode]

[cyan smelt]

What are you working on for reg g

[torn parrot]

Yeah that’s pretty good

[torn parrot]

That’s the real grindset

Well done

[wet wedge]

I think I found the saddest calc known to men

Support Scream Tail's Focus Blast fails to KO Defog Kartana

[torn parrot]

I think single restricted is the perfect sweet spot

Double restricted is like, okay now your getting a bit crazy

[cyan smelt]

Some of the non restricted legendaries feel like restricteds with their abilities

[torn parrot]

Raging bolt already almost has restricted level stats

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon with tera too

[torn parrot]

Ehhh

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon hearthflame in sun is nuts

Likewise ogerpon wellspring in rain

[foggy lodge]

This is the progress https://pokepast.es/751b160de7db43b7

[torn parrot]

Why’s it have power herb

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah

At first i thinked about meteor beam

[cyan smelt]

If it has power herb you need meteor beam

[foggy lodge]

I forgot to change the item

[cyan smelt]

Idk what item lunala has actually

[foggy lodge]

Or i think i can just go for meteor beam power herb

[torn parrot]

I know it hits harder than god

In all other aspects tho I wouldn’t put it in restricted tier power level

Maybe like arcanine tier

[cyan smelt]

Also you should try running lunala with comfey and rilla to replenish shadow shield

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/4a650e3f8e531263

[foggy lodge]

I doing a "themed" team but that's actually a good point to my standard Lunala set

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 764: Comfey

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Flower Veil, Triage, Natural Cure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

51/52/90/82/110/100

Total

485

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

Floral healing heals more in grassy terrain

[foggy lodge]

I'm so accostumed to PKMN unite's comfey that i always thought it would be super frail like in unite

[cyan smelt]

Comfey is decently bulky

[foggy lodge]

I saw a rocky helmet set

Would it be good or is just a random trash set?

[cyan smelt]

No idea what item comfey likes

[amber radish]

Is there some kind of ability that powers you up the more of your opponent's pokemon have fainted? Or is it limited to your pokemon with supreme overlord?

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't exist

Unless you count ultra beast/calyrex's abilities

But they don't work like supreme overlord

[amber radish]

ok👍 thanks

[foggy lodge]

Supreme overlord is so edgy

12 years old fanmon's ability

[cyan smelt]

Moxie does

[dapper crag]

Kingambit's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Assurance, Beat Up, Brick Break, Cut, Dig, Dual Chop, Facade, False Swipe, Feint Attack, Fling, Foul Play, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Guillotine, Headbutt, Iron Head, Knock Off, Kowtow Cleave, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Payback, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Psycho Cut, Pursuit, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Scratch, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Slash, Stone Edge, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, X-Scissor, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Slash, Dark Pulse, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Round, Snarl, Snore, Steel Beam, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Hone Claws, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Leer, Magnet Rise, Mean Look, Metal Sound, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Spite, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Kingambit.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[foggy lodge]

Why does it has rain dance lol

[cyan smelt]

That's probably an old Moveset, role play isn't in the game

[charred saddle]

because its crying over its dying teammates

[cyan smelt]

Oh it does have rain dance wtf

[sly lynx]

How’s this team sound to yall? Groudon/Incineroar/Hisuian Lilligant/Flutter Mane/Walking Wake

Could use some help with iv spreads

[next stump]

https://twitter.com/lukathekuka_/status/1778591583295697227?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

cool team that Luka was going to bring

[cyan smelt]

Do we call that Florida balance lol

[summer shore]

I've been good

Wbu @bold geode

[novel python]

i got a whimsicott, arcanine, urshifu rs, amoongus, flutter mane and glimmora as my team, any tips? they're all competitively built with the meta abilities, movesets, and evs, i'm not getting much use out of amoongus so i wanna know what else i can use that'll synergize well

[cyan smelt]

Reg f?

[novel python]

yup yup, playing on the ladder rn

[cyan smelt]

Hmmmm instead of amoonguss you could try rilla maybe?

[novel python]

true true, just gotta transfer mine from shield

i completely forgot i had one

[cyan smelt]

Something to deal with bolt too, maybe lando I?

[novel python]

was gonna get the trio soon in pla, definitely worth considering

[cyan smelt]

I'd say ogerpon but then you'd have type overlap with rilla or urshifu

[novel python]

i was thinking that too, wanted to use him but decided against it

was thinking fire but h arcanine already fills that well

[charred saddle]

max speed incin is insane

wait i didnt realize it but it was offensive incin?

cc fo flareblitz CA hahaha

[novel python]

bruh i only have sobble and that bunny starter in shield 😭 is the pokemon home bonus still up?

[cyan smelt]

Should be

[charred saddle]

should be, or alternative is, you trade for them

asking for a normal sobble and scorbunny isnt hard

[novel python]

let's go it is

[charred saddle]

and you can actually hunt them in dlc part 2

[novel python]

wait fr?

thankfully the promotion is still up

[charred saddle]

i think all starter available in SV are huntable now in dlc 2

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-cat-peek-cat-door-cat-peek-door-gif-17361470248875227911

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-slowly-back-away-hide-gif-8014785

[novel python]

can't wait to watch youtube while i grudgingly ev train this rilla

[cyan smelt]

Do you have access to the swsh DLC? If so just buy discount vitamins from the dojo

[novel python]

i do, didn't realize you could do that

although it only takes like 20 minutes if you get a lucky mass outbreak and have braces

[cyan smelt]

Yeah just ev train in swsh and transfer up

[novel python]

training attack and speed so i only gotta kill lechonks, whatever that bird pokemon is, flamigos, and tauroses

[novel python]

you said a normal landorus right?

[cyan smelt]

yeah you can change form with the reveal glass

[novel python]

BROOOO

i got a second roll reveal glass at the auction house

[cyan smelt]

yeah if you have legendaries in your party or boxes you get the items for them at auction

terapagos is a monster holy shit

[charred saddle]

its not.

its a turtle

with a crown

[bold geode]

Good @summer shore

[summer shore]

Thats good

[misty apex]

Hey, im competing in Orlando regionals this weekend, its my first time and I was wondering if anyone had some advice for a team I built. any feedback would be super helpful

[novel python]

can you not find fake out in scarlet?

[misty apex]

Its not a TM unfortunately

[novel python]

damn, guess my rilla won't be getting fake out then

unless i transfer back

[misty apex]

It is an egg move for him unfortunately

[cyan smelt]

nah just mirror herb, have something with fake out in a picnic with rilla

have a spare moveslot on rilla

[misty apex]

ya the mirror herb cheese is so helpful

[novel python]

oh shoot i'll just use my tinkaton then, thanks for the tip

[cyan smelt]

mirror herb makes things so easy

[misty apex]

Egg moves are so easy now thanks to it. GL with your rilla

[cyan smelt]

does anyone else feel like iron leaves is underrated

[misty apex]

No but id like to be proven wrong

[bold geode]

What be

[misty apex]

Am I allowed to send pictures in this chat?

[bold geode]

Um yeah
Although Pokepaste would be preferable

[novel python]

i was also curious what the team was but i can't offer any advice, brand new to comp

[misty apex]

I have pokepaste set

[bold geode]

Ok

[misty apex]

Currently stuck with kingambit, Hes kind of a placeholder for psyspam team countering. but while ive had decent success in practicing I feel like the team struggles in certain situations.

Torkoal @ Eject Pack
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Yawn
• Will-O-Wisp
• Helping Hand

Walking Wake @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 8 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Steam
• Flamethrower
• Dragon Pulse
• Protect

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 52 HP / 124 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 212 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Protect
• Shadow Ball
• Dazzling Gleam

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Sunny Day
• Tailwind
• Protect

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 228 HP / 4 Def / 180 SpA / 4 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Snarl

Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Sucker Punch
• Kowtow Cleave
• Protect
• Iron Head

[bold geode]

Will O Wisp on Torkoal I feel is eh, I'd go Protect

Other than that, looks alright to me

[charred saddle]

why is the wake not max speed

whats the calc for the bulk?

[misty apex]

I originally had protect. but Ive found that torkoal doesnt often get targeted alot. I liked the extra option of will o wisp, but I was considering going back to protect

[bold geode]

Oh shit yeah
It's also wasting EVs with Defense when you could go 4HP

[charred saddle]

its not even TR so i sont see any point to get it a bit low

[novel python]

LET'S GOOOO I GOT FAKE OUT

[misty apex]

There was a reason for that that I honestly cant remember, but the HP sounds better tbh

[bold geode]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

i mean if u did calc for it then go for it, just that i never saw that spread even once. so i was quite baffled

dont see any reason not to go max speed

[misty apex]

I think it was to live one rilla wood hammer

[charred saddle]

i lives 1 woodhammer with no bulk

no matter the investment

[misty apex]

Really?

Youre right...

Why did I do that

[charred saddle]

252+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 4 HP / 4 Def Walking Wake in Grassy Terrain: 153-180 (87.4 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
8 EVs in a stat is wasting 4 EVs anyways cuz it's 4 for first stat then 8 EVs after that

[misty apex]

Right

[charred saddle]

putting in a 1 def and 1 hp stat wont really help much anyway

[misty apex]

My other issue is my reliance on bringing tornadus and torkoal to fights, since neither do much damage, torkoal can get fringe kills on fire weak mons but thats not usually a thing

[bold geode]

Well it's a sun team so

[misty apex]

Indeed it is

[charred saddle]

well, never really had a wake team before but

koal is good to play against tr teams

its a good deterant against them. but the thing is ur playing OTS

[misty apex]

It was spur of the moment, but it is frequently the best attacker on the team, wake has surprised me on this team

[charred saddle]

not having eruption pressure is off for me, or at least heatwave

[misty apex]

Well hes not likely to get much value out of eruption since thers no TR

Plus overheat gets the eject pack setup

I could go for heatwave though

[charred saddle]

well when ur up against psyspam u have literally nothing, maybe except gambit

but gambit itself wont be enough

[misty apex]

Ya i know... thats what makes me most unsure of the team

[charred saddle]

personally not a fan of ejectpack

but if it works for you then go ahead, i dont play much eject pack overheat

[misty apex]

Maybe I take out gambit for an incin, fake out might be helpful against certain teams

[charred saddle]

i mean its okay? just that its kinda wasteful, dk how to explain it

doesnt really resolve against psyspam team, idk how much u will meet, and arm doesnt always have power herb meteor beam tho

[misty apex]

I see what you mean

[charred saddle]

hope u get something, take my words with grain of salt. i dont play much wake teams, im only stating opinions on what i think i will use against that team

[misty apex]

No I really appreciate the insight

[charred saddle]

oh yk whats ur worst MU? P2 tinglu

the team that alex gomez use, tinglu hurts ur entire special attackers

and tr is also annoying

[misty apex]

Oooh thats a good point

[charred saddle]

you can still deal damage into them wit neutral tho, SE non tera but its like AV, and ability

wait and is that protect on specs mane?

[misty apex]

Thats a typo

I already fixed that

[charred saddle]

also kinda wanted more bulk on flutter, but its preferance

[misty apex]

Ive had alot of success so far with this spread. minus chien pao at times. what do you like on your mane?

[novel python]

lmao i use the same moveset on my flutter

[charred saddle]

usually my go to mane spread is like

modest 36 spA to hit first bump
dump on speed to hit speed tiers that i want (especially thinking on what my team doesnt want to meet)
rest dump on bulk

[novel python]

although i use 252 spa 252 spd 4 d

[charred saddle]

if its like doesnt have enough bulk, ill think about dropping modest into timid, then move some more speed into bulk, and put rest on spA

as i said, its preferance

people have different ways on making the EV spreads

[misty apex]

Wow only 36 SpA huh? thats really interesting

[charred saddle]

36 modest is enough

[misty apex]

Cant really go wrong there

[charred saddle]

its specs

[novel python]

not at all, thing's a sweeper

[charred saddle]

unless u wanna go big damage, then i will take off from speed not bulk

[misty apex]

I might try that actually. maybe I was overthinking its SpA EVs

[charred saddle]

i dont like seeing my flutter die easily to some weird stuff

[misty apex]

Ya that makes sense

[charred saddle]

one good checkpoint on a enough bulk is icicle crash from chienpao

[misty apex]

That is huge

[charred saddle]

and like most bulk flutter have like crazy spread of 212 hp 100 def

[novel python]

i hate icicle crash with a passion

[charred saddle]

speed booster bulky mane had that

theres also a big popular one with 212 hp 84 def 36 spA rest on speed specs mane with tailwind support

and just clicking tera fairy dazzling gleam

but its like not seen much now since people kinda learn on how to maneuver around flutter, at least what i thought.

could be a different reason tho

[misty apex]

Calcing that specific spread, icicle crash still runs just under 45% OHKO chance

Howver that becomes 25% with your 212/100 spread

[charred saddle]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 212 HP / 100 Def Flutter Mane: 126-148 (80.2 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

are you calcing adamant?

most chienpao runs jolly

they dont like being outsped by flutters

[misty apex]

Oh right, ya it was adamant

[charred saddle]

if ur adamant ur very open to flutters

and sucker wont ever ohko it

70 bp and neutral non tera wont ko

[misty apex]

My thing is this spread, assuming the 36 SpA and the rest in speed, it becomes speed proto and I was thinking I want SpA, or am I overthinking it again

[charred saddle]

its like if its adamant and has a chance to ohko, u get outsped anyway

[charred saddle]

well i kinda want the speed boost. u have the specs boost already

specs is 1.5x

[misty apex]

But do I need it under TW?

[charred saddle]

adding another 30% is overkill

[misty apex]

Well actually, I see where your going

[charred saddle]

just add 30% on speed on ur flutter if its in sun

oh wait actually its spA boosted

ill yoink some more oh def or hp a bit and put on speed

[vestal elk]

y oguys i got a question my raiku has liek some shapes under his description what do they mean??

[charred saddle]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 204 HP / 92 Def Flutter Mane: 127-150 (81.4 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[misty apex]

Theyre for indicating perfect IVs usually.

[charred saddle]

hits 265 speed in sun

which is enough to outspeed some scarfed mons like urshifu

so lets say ots and its scarfed, now u can make a play with swapping in koal and tera gleam ohko

which i should thhink ohko? even with tera

[misty apex]

It does easily on pao

[charred saddle]

nvm gleam doesnt get the ko, but moonblast does

again its just my preferance on building mane

usually i dont really care which spA or speed gets boosted since i dont play sun but i kinda feel u want a specs and speed boosted

or just have speed booster mane with taunt

[misty apex]

Wait, my calc is saying it does

[charred saddle]

that can also solve ur problem on p2 tinglu

no recover no tr

[charred saddle]

is it already 70% dmg? its a spread move

[misty apex]

No wait youre right, but my calc says its a 50% ohko chance on the mystic water set which SpDef investmenet

thats without tera

[charred saddle]

no tera ofc itll explode

urshifu is paper thin on spdef

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

60

[misty apex]

I know

But im wondering why your calc has it at 84-100 where mine says 91.8-109.2

Did I input something wrong?

[charred saddle]

no idea

modest 36 specs on 4hp 0def adamant scarf

thats the variable

[misty apex]

The set im looking at is 60HP/20Def/196SpDef

and it says the chance to Ohko is higher than the one you sent

[charred saddle]

on urshifu?

[misty apex]

Which has no def invest

Ya

[charred saddle]

iwhich calc did u use

[misty apex]

The showdown one

[charred saddle]

never used the showdown calc before

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

just use that

its already inputting spread damage as 70% and not 100%

urs probably still at 100% spread

[misty apex]

I dont see any differences other than the urshifu set

Well I ahve it set to doubles so it should count it as spread

[charred saddle]

no clue then

[misty apex]

Because the damage goes up when I switch it to singles so Im sure its factoring that in

Regardless. That EV spread actually looks really good on mane, Im gonna do some testing with that

[charred saddle]

sure, goodluck

[misty apex]

Thanks alot, youve been super helpful

[carmine pilot]

Anybody knows good Anger Point Tauros Teams?

I used to play with this one (https://pokepast.es/d7c53e04915a1790) last year, but the format changed so much I feel it needs an update

The startegy is simple: Start with Froslass and Corvknight to use tailwind and icy wind. Later, aftee Froslass uses the focus sash and stays at 1hp, she uses Frost Breath to activate Tauros' Anger Point (switching from Corvknight), then use the x2 speed and x4 atk to spam Earthquake, with Corvknight and Dragonite replacing Froslass due being inmune to Earthquake

[mighty stump]

75

not 70

[mighty stump]

These kind of teams have effectively been powercrept out of the format so it’s kinda rough

[tame torrent]

Anyone wanna fight me in SV

[vestal elk]

guys how is this team https://pokepast.es/61105f6fed1c3457

[dull ibex]

Hello everyone

Tofu I'm semi interested in your koraidon balance

I'm more used to calm mind bolt so snarl will take some getting used

[mighty stump]

I mean its the same concept, you effectively already have a pseudo CM with AV + Sun boost

[dull ibex]

fair enough

anyone down for a showdown stream?

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101718931
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101721485
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2101723008

[mighty stump]

@autumn vault are you TOXI$ SLIMEY

[vestal elk]

yo guys i need help

i wanna put archelidon into my team but id kwho to replace this is my team https://pokepast.es/ea7303f13d77adb4

[cyan smelt]

I fought an entire team with pressure, so, that was fun

And dark tera eternatus so I couldn't taunt it

Honestly tempted to just use stall myself

[upbeat quail]

What’s a good support flutter set?

[mighty stump]

its 2 STAB with your choice of Icy Wind/Taunt/Thunder Wave

[cyan smelt]

I think I need non prankster taunt

Which means putting booster back on flutter and replacing power gem with taunt

[dull ibex]

Twave flutter into shadow rider is great

[mighty stump]

Well TWave is meant for Clear Amulet users

[cyan smelt]

Can't twave Groudon

[timber falcon]

good lord

it lowers more PP right?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah and then the dusclops had spite

[timber falcon]

so basically a gimmick team

[dull ibex]

🤔

maybe I play more vgc and take a break from minecraft im a little angy lmao

[mighty stump]

You can't Icy Wind it either so whats your point

[cyan smelt]

T wave sounds good for caly s and caly I ngl

[dull ibex]

in flutters case just ko

[cyan smelt]

I need to make my flutter booster speed

[solid frigate]

hoi

[cyan smelt]

Sup

[solid frigate]

got my power nap finally

[timber falcon]

How to people deal with tailwind caly-s

[cyan smelt]

t-wave?

[upbeat quail]

So would a support flutter on a groudon team run booster energy or something else? My sash is already taken up by my meinshao

Thinking about running fairy feather with Moonblast and dgleam

[mighty stump]

Pixie Plate/Fairy Feather

[charred saddle]

run a reducing damage berry so you can tank a astral from caly and bonk him /j

[mighty stump]

Shadow Ball
Calyrex

[charred saddle]

oh i mean astral

bru bgn tdr bang

maap bwang aowkaoa

[autumn vault]

Why?

I am not

Also i forgot to add, if i had to have a slime related term on my name it would be slimesy only

Not Slimey

Besides i really dont want to be toxic, if you know why you know

[mighty stump]

Just curious

[timber falcon]

btw ive gone to wolfes vid to try out his farig set

but the evs are over the max

is there somethingive missed?

[autumn vault]

27 Speed IVs iirc always underspeed Rillaboom and Incineroar and goes before they do in tr

[timber falcon]

i know that, but look at the evs

[autumn vault]

i forgor

Probably some Flutter or Chi-Yu calc there

[timber falcon]

wait am i tripping, one sec

they add up to 584

pretty sure thats not supposed to be like that

[autumn vault]

You are not tripping at all sir

I ran it on a calculator and it gave me the answer 584

[timber falcon]

Yeah, so anywhere I can get the actual set?

[autumn vault]

Honestly idk

[cyan smelt]

I hate both calys

[autumn vault]

Who doesn't?

[charred saddle]

one of these days ill make a team with calyrex. just regular calyrex and spectrier

and name the team, "Wheres my reign"

[autumn vault]

I hate both as well, mostly Ice

Man this chat is pretty empty ngl

Now i have to go build another Zekrom team that is better then the one i have

[cyan smelt]

I need some sort of speed control to slow down caly

[autumn vault]

There is Tailwind, thunder wave, E-webs, I-Wind, trick lagging tail, etc.

[timber falcon]

ive just had someone use imprison farig on me

[autumn vault]

damn

I found a zacian and Teal mask ogerpon

[timber falcon]

what did it do?

[autumn vault]

I havent played against it yet

[timber falcon]

it didnt work btw

it was OTS and none of my moves on the field were even the same lol

[cyan smelt]

I think I need to make a new team without ho oh

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2101830419 here is the match btw

[timber falcon]

have u only touched ho-oh

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2101830419 (not) overconfident player gets beaten

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I don't have any idea how to team build

[timber falcon]

i mean it is the hardest part of compet

[autumn vault]

i misunderstood this

[timber falcon]

watching the game rn

[cyan smelt]

Seems like all the gimmicky shit gets high up the ladder

[timber falcon]

fr man its annoying

[autumn vault]

Atleast it is innovative

Better than spamming mounted onions

[timber falcon]

lost to symbiosis clear am lunala, so after power herb meateor beam u cant even snarl

then spam pollen puff

[cyan smelt]

I fought a minimise muk next to psych up tera fairy caly shadow

[timber falcon]

ok ive seen someone try that shit

[autumn vault]

Ok that is the worst innovation ever

[cyan smelt]

With substitute

[timber falcon]

btw i do like that idea of pressure eternatus

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[cyan smelt]

The old legends are really disadvantaged because they don't have spread moves

[autumn vault]

True

But atleast they arent held back by the existence of Wide Guard

[cyan smelt]

Some calys are running shadow ball to deal with wide guard

[timber falcon]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

I hate caly, worst pokemon

How did they decide that the aura trio would be too unbalanced but the calys are fine

[autumn vault]

Want to know something BullShit? In gen 9 Zacian Zamazenta Regieleki and Cresselia (for some reason) were nerfed, even ice rider calyrex was nerfed (Glacial lance BP from 130 -> 120 bp) but shadow rider was left untouched when it was the arguably the 2nd most dominant restricted in SwSh

[cyan smelt]

Yveltal could at least check calys

[autumn vault]

Well it is weak to Glacial Lance and with tr and Farigiraf you cant sucker punch it, but atleast it could function like a calyrex counter

[cyan smelt]

You could run foul play on yveltal

[autumn vault]

Now that Dmax and Yveltal were gone along with Zacian being the biggest competitor for the slot in SwSh being nerfed, those 2 became super busted

[cyan smelt]

And most people are deciding to run caly s alongside chi yu

[autumn vault]

True and usually Ice Calyrex had 252+ attack so it would probably OHKO but i need to check the calcs

[autumn vault]

Chi-Yu was the biggest buff for Calyrex Shadow

[cyan smelt]

Caly s gonna win worlds again

[timber falcon]

it might not if we lucky

cause rn it has reached its peak use

[autumn vault]

Pls zekrom win a tournament (not happening )

[timber falcon]

also i need to see lugia at a regional, then i can sleep for the rest of my life

[autumn vault]

True and by the time it officially comes out, we would have more counters then we have rn

[cyan smelt]

Also the other legendaries have signature moves that can miss or have other drawbacks

[timber falcon]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

No drawbacks for the calys signature moves

[autumn vault]

Amoonguss with 27 speed ivs has 48 speed, calyrex ice can only have 49 as it's lowest speed, AMOONGUSS RISING AGAIN!?!?

Pls no

I dont want another spore metagame

I guess Miraidon will help with it

[cyan smelt]

Isn't that why they run indeedee next to caly I to redirect spore

[autumn vault]

True

[cyan smelt]

And with clear amulet you can't even cycle intimidate

[autumn vault]

Can i say a Hot Take: Miraidon was overhyped, it is one of the best legends but not as good as we hyped it to be, also atleast we have a way out of intimidate cycling

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e74beca071ab3489 i got this so far for a new team idea

or am i burning down the kitchen

[knotty mirage]

Does this mean caly shadow is the best restricted pokemon ?

[tulip field]

Anybody here going to Orlando regionals?

[autumn vault]

I think so

[knotty mirage]

Huh i guess we gonna see alot of wide guard on next reg then

[timber falcon]

i think emma is

@ emma brooks

[tulip field]

Legend has it if you bring your copy of black or white there's a mysterious gift

[timber falcon]

oh are you going?

[tulip field]

Not just going

I'm there rn

[timber falcon]

oh nice! Good luck

[tulip field]

Tyty

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/c1f19c5beb8b0758

Opinions?

[timber falcon]

evs?

id need to see them to take a proper look

but the mons are looking really solid overall

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/a4fda8c6d9bdf07d

I think I’ve refined this team pretty well.

Coaching is such a strong move

[foggy lodge]

I didn't calc anything but here they are https://pokepast.es/eb91e1a8afe48bf4

[mighty stump]

Wake is wasting 4 EVs and Flutter Mane's set looks inefficient

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/34f9fed4ac644059 opinions?

[upbeat quail]

Which EVs am I wasting? Plus what would you recommend for flutter?

[mighty stump]

You invested in 4 stats

At level 50 you're meant to invest in odd numbers of stats

[foggy lodge]

Always spread evs in 3-5 stats

Never 4

[upbeat quail]

Gotcha. I didn’t know that

[mighty stump]

And what are you trying to live with that Flutter set

[upbeat quail]

It was just a flutter mane I had built in game. Still tweaking it a bit. It’s honestly the only mon on the team I’m not super confident with

I’ll take any recommendations though. It’s supposed to be a support set.

[mighty stump]

You can still use the general bulk Flutter with 116 HP/76 Def

[upbeat quail]

Cool cool. What about the move set?

[mighty stump]

its up to you if you value Icy Wind or Taunt more or you don't care about Protect.

[upbeat quail]

Yeah I think without a sash I probably wanna run protect

I don’t have any speed control without icy wind

But shadow ball would be really good against calyrex. Tough choice here

[timber falcon]

what do you do if youre trying to build a team, but nothing u wanna use comes to mind

ive been sittign here brainstorming but i just cant seem to pick something

[mighty stump]

Do something else

[timber falcon]

fair enough

[upbeat quail]

Roll a 733 sided dice 6 times and make a team from that

[bold geode]

Visionary

[vestal elk]

guys i need help

[solid frigate]

just come back,wha

[vestal elk]

i wanna replace alchialadon and arceus into the team

is it possible

[solid frigate]

Archaludon and ARCEUS????

[vestal elk]

or one of them

[solid frigate]

Wait how did you,ya know what give me the team

[vestal elk]

liek me before team?

https://pokepast.es/ea7303f13d77adb4

this was my team now i wanna try a new pokemon

[solid frigate]

normally i would like Archaludon,But I think is not good for the team

And Arceus is strong but putting in this team feels off

[vestal elk]

ok

ohh

like i can shift other members a bit

i got a few other disposable pokemoin

[solid frigate]

you can make different Versions of it,the EVs needs some changes

[vestal elk]

ohh damm

all of the evs??

[solid frigate]

Yeah,Like All of them

Pneuma (Terapagos-Terastal) @ Power Herb
Ability: Tera Shift
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Meteor Beam
• Calm Mind
• Protect

Terapagos Should have This

[vestal elk]

ok

ohh ivs i gotta change??

it has all max ivs

[solid frigate]

IVs don't need to change

[vestal elk]

ohh ok

what poke do i replace?

[solid frigate]

honestly None

[vestal elk]

or can u give me a new team wit hthose 2

i can prolly get those poke

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

also wait why Shell Bell Grimm-

[vestal elk]

nah its thje light clay

i forgot to change

[solid frigate]

good

also its Choice Scarf Urshifu

[vestal elk]

ye i bought it

i swap between when i use eternatis

[solid frigate]

you can try this team before you use Arceus

[vestal elk]

ok

wait u dint send team

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8b6396e0b449f34f
Same team but Proper EVs

[vestal elk]

ok

[autumn vault]

Ho-Oh has 4 evs left to add, i would add those to speed since it is uninvested and there is only 4 evs left

[solid frigate]

true

[autumn vault]

It was just a friendly reminder

[solid frigate]

Wait Urshifu's EVs

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 32 Def / 16 SpD / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• U-turn
  @vestal elk this is proper one

[vestal elk]

ok so we missed a few stats

in the old one u sent

[autumn vault]

It is just a few, besides you can fill those on other spots

[vestal elk]

ok

[solid frigate]

yeah Urshifu missed 40 Evs so copy this

[vestal elk]

ok i saved it

dude btw u know a team i can build with the other 2

like a fully seperate team

[tulip field]

Imagine playing urshifu

[solid frigate]

i need to think about it

[vestal elk]

ohh ok

[timber falcon]

Anyone have a reg G tier list

So I know what I shouldn’t probably touch and what can work

[solid frigate]

i made one before
Only top 4 are ranked from best to worst

[timber falcon]

Looks kind of what I’d say

[solid frigate]

Dusk Mane i am not sure about

[upbeat quail]

Why is solgaleo bad?

[timber falcon]

Wine my picks are from “very good” tier ima choose groudon

[timber falcon]

Kyogre is “very good” imo

[solid frigate]

Pressured by Incin(Typing Wise) Lots of mon Kinda fullfilled his task

Zacian is still defacto Steel Legendary

[solid frigate]

With Koraidon and Groudon being Here... Ummmm

[vestal elk]

yo is arceus banned or to trash??

[timber falcon]

They don’t check it at all though

[mighty stump]

Kyogre in the same rank as DM/Kyu-W and Dialga is criminal

[timber falcon]

Fr

Koraidon doesn’t wall, and kyogre has overall advantage against groudon

[solid frigate]

Banned

[timber falcon]

Typing wise

[vestal elk]

ohh dam

[solid frigate]

its a Mythical Pokemon,and yes if its Allowed then its gonna be wild

thank god its not in Galar when Mythicals are allowed

[vestal elk]

fair the typing is gonna ad confuse everyone

[solid frigate]

Kyogre also had countered by Ogerpon,Bolt,Miraidon and too lesser extent Bundle with Freeze Dry and Terapagos(Although terapagos is kinda odd for a COunter)

Which btw,Ogerpon and Bolt would be almost everywhere

[timber falcon]

These counters aren’t enough to stop its gameplay

[solid frigate]

But if you want it to be Very good then i'll put it in Bottom of Very Good

[timber falcon]

They’re good counters, but counters can also be countered

[timber falcon]

Much better

[solid frigate]

its still on the line of being Very Good and Good

[timber falcon]

Mmmm I think it has a pretty solid place as one of the top 10 legends

In which it’s 10th

[solid frigate]

So its kinda like Both Calyrex,Miraidon,Terapagos,Koraidon,Zacian,Groudon,Lunala,Zamazenta and Kyogre for top 10

Terapagos top 4 I'll take it

[tulip field]

Thoughts?

[mighty stump]

Not really viable looking for either Reg F or G

[solid frigate]

ok i'll let Tofu manage it

[mighty stump]

No I just wanted to comment I'm not managing shit

Im retired

[solid frigate]

oh yeah i forgot,sorry

I'll take care of it

[solid frigate]

Rilla and Pelipper are good,But Thunderus Therian?

[tulip field]

Yeah

Thundurus therian

[solid frigate]

Use Archaludon,Trust me,Its very good with Pelipper

[tulip field]

I'm thinking about it

[solid frigate]

Ceruledge does not work on a Rain Team,and if you hate Urshifu that much...

[autumn vault]

My skill is telling me zekrom is in the right place
My bias is telling me zekrom should be higher
I will trust both 50 50
I can't accept the truth that easily

[solid frigate]

lol

[tulip field]

Actual list

[mighty stump]

Is this for Orlando?

[tulip field]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Weather ball for Pelipper

[mighty stump]

Oh dear

[tulip field]

(:

[mighty stump]

Well

Good luck

[tulip field]

Thanks man

[solid frigate]

its gonna be hard to get a win

3 Tera Blasts???

[tulip field]

I mean I could switch in archaludon, I'd just have to build it real quick

[foggy lodge]

The Thundurus should be running volt switch too?

[solid frigate]

if its Incarnate Forme then its fine,but Therian feels...

[tulip field]

Therian gets volt absorb

[foggy lodge]

But it's using it as a special attacker

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus-Therian

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Volt Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/105/70/145/80/101

Total

580

Base Species

Thundurus

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is more flexible

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1018: Archaludon

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Stamina, Sturdy, Stalwart (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/105/130/125/65/85

Total

600

Weight (Low Kick BP)

60kg (80 BP)

Height

2m

Introduced

Generation 9

Pre-evolution

Duraludon

Egg groups

Mineral, Dragon

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

White

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

although Weaker in Offense,Its better in Tank

[tulip field]

Is there a specific set you would recommend for rain?

[foggy lodge]

Electro shot assault vest

Tera Fairy

[solid frigate]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass/Fairy
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 44 SpA / 180 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon

i tried use Urshifu Rapid and Hit Archaludon with Surging strikes and Successfully removed Wellspring Ogerpon

[tulip field]

Btw we're right next to the Stamp & Scrapbook expo

[solid frigate]

the faces. its cursed as fuck

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm

[wicked moon]

Real

[tulip field]

I threw together what you posted

[solid frigate]

what did they have done to Pokemon Go's Character's Face

[solid frigate]

EVs?

[tulip field]

Same evs

[solid frigate]

lemme look at my Archaludon

[tulip field]

Oa

[next stump]

good luck tomorrow

[solid frigate]

IVs?

[tulip field]

Bottle capped except decent atk

That's what I had on hand

[solid frigate]

ok good

[tulip field]

Thinking about who to replace

I've spent a lot of time practicing with ceruledge and thundurus, and they've done well respectively

[solid frigate]

but Power Creep make Ceruledge looks bad,Thundurus Therian Feels weird to have when Archaludon is way beter

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 642: Thundurus-Therian

Types

Electric/Flying

Abilities

Volt Absorb

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/105/70/145/80/101

Total

580

Base Species

Thundurus

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

hmm yeah looks a bit difficult to utilise

[timber falcon]

unique team, ceruledge is nice to see. though i must ask, why 2 fire types on a rain team?

[tulip field]

Arcanine was a filler

For intimidate

[timber falcon]

oh ok for intim i guess

[tulip field]

Ye

[timber falcon]

ok was just curious about it

[charred saddle]

no protect, exper belt Harc, specs thundurus, and no wood hammer rilla?
ur a madman

heat crash and not a flareblitz too

holy moly what am i looking at

[timber falcon]

oh i didnt see the sets lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 937: Ceruledge

Types

Fire/Ghost

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/125/80/60/100/85

Total

525

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

bulk up ceruledge is questionable

[charred saddle]

brining it is already questionable

[solid frigate]

I'm fighting the Winning Team with Articuno-

[timber falcon]

true.... but hey we can only see how the game goes tomr

from an overly positive perspective

https://pokepast.es/61be400d6584a6b9 i decided to settle with koraidon, any ideas on last 3 mons?

i do think cotton spore whim helps though

[mighty stump]

6-0 in sets with Groudon

Groudon feels stronger than Koraidon atm

[timber falcon]

yeah i also see it more often

[solid frigate]

could it be interchange depend on the Metagame or smh

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1007: Koraidon

Types

Fighting/Dragon

Abilities

Orichalcum Pulse

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/115/85/100/135

Total

670

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

bang nyamuk peliharaan gw sekarat bang, gimana sembuhinnya

[gentle crag]

abused1 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[mighty stump]

PTS

[timber falcon]

groudons stats do look vert nice

[charred saddle]

wtf is that

[mighty stump]

Put to sleep

[solid frigate]

Although it does not have Koraidon's BS Boosts,Its sitll nice to have

[charred saddle]

oh anjg kirain petshop

[mighty stump]

anjg

[charred saddle]

KAWKWOKWOWKA

[mighty stump]

Mau concept palkia tim lu gk

[solid frigate]

anyways\

[charred saddle]

bole, sambil meratapin jadwal kelas gw

like bro wtf is this, kelas ampe jam 4 tiap hari mokad gw

[mighty stump]

mampuz

[timber falcon]

this may be repetiton, but when making a new team do i focus on a plan or coverage first

[mighty stump]

Plan

[timber falcon]

ok

[solid frigate]

Plan

[timber falcon]

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 196 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 76 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Collision Course
• Flame Charge
• Swords Dance
• Protect hows this

[solid frigate]

Plan>Pokemon to revolve Around>Coverage

[timber falcon]

i mean, dont u need a pokemon to revolve around to have a plan?

[solid frigate]

ok fair-

[mighty stump]

Lol

You make a plan regarding the Pokemon you've already chosen.

[solid frigate]

i am stupid 🙂

[mighty stump]

The coverage already falls naturally into place when crafting said plan

[timber falcon]

ok so koraidon runs Clear Amulet always right

[mighty stump]

Does it?

[timber falcon]

i dont know i always see it that way

[solid frigate]

Choice Scarf?

idk

[timber falcon]

ive never seen a non clear am koriadon b4, people scared of incin

maybe not always but its gotta be the top pick

but i do really like scarf

[solid frigate]

at least in Smogon,They really like Scarf cuz Incineroar is obselete in Singles

[timber falcon]

true true, though, maybe just maybe the plan doesnt have to include koraidon always LEADING

i prefer it as a fast clean up

[solid frigate]

maybe CLear amulet Feels more better if you always lead it

[timber falcon]

yeah 100%

and fake out is a probelm, though that might be able to be solved with farig on the side

[solid frigate]

yeah Farigaraf,or Indeedee

With Indeedee you could Block Rillaboom cuz Its slower than it

[timber falcon]

the no.1 thing i need immediately

is a flutter counter i think

cause i dont wanna be forced to tera and basically always outsped

[solid frigate]

You could Indeedee Follow Me,but like it would use Dazzling Gleam-

[timber falcon]

2 leads which can take out koraidons weaknesses#

yeah it would use dazzling

what does flutter hate to see?

[mighty stump]

ur mom

[timber falcon]

that was vile

[mighty stump]

lmaooo

[solid frigate]

I was gonna say Archaludon,but Its a Sun team so no,plus Archaludon ain't tank that good enough

[timber falcon]

fine then ill start with the second thing it doesnt like, intimidate

[charred saddle]

interesting question

does -1 collision course koraidon ohko incin

[mighty stump]

Yes

[timber falcon]

oh

[charred saddle]

holy fuck

then scarf

[timber falcon]

well that changes my ideas of what im gonna do

[solid frigate]

the boost negates the Intimidate

Almost

[charred saddle]

u dont care about intim then

[timber falcon]

OH YEAH ITS ABILITY

[charred saddle]

or if not scarf go somethhing like LO

[solid frigate]

unless you bring Kyogre or Terapagos

[timber falcon]

i was thinking of farig

[mighty stump]

It's criminal that Snorlax didn't get Wide Guard

[solid frigate]

it would be the Ultimate Pokemon

[timber falcon]

mhm it is in fact wide

[charred saddle]

just because its phat doesnt mean it can wide guard

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

Ur moms fat she wide guards the doorway all the time

[charred saddle]

@ mod ur retired staff is booling me mods

[timber falcon]

is venasuar any good at killing/immobilising flutter?

consistently

[solid frigate]

Sludge Bomb only deals Neutral,but you can do Sleep Powder Venusaur

[charred saddle]

no

[solid frigate]

but still

[charred saddle]

if it teras to fairy then yes

[timber falcon]

ok so venasuar isnt it since theres also fake out

what stops priority, that can also kill a flutter in sun

maybe ill just not lead koraidon in such situations actually, that seems much more reasonable

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 116 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Collision Course
• Flare Blitz
• Wild Charge
• U-turn this is what i have

i dont feel like i rly need it any faster tbh

once i add scarf

[solid frigate]

i think it works

(Oh boi Tornadus would hate this Koraidon-)

[timber falcon]

yeah but tw is a problem for it now

actually, why dont i run flutter

[solid frigate]

yeah its most Beneficial

[timber falcon]

this is what i got rn

farig and torkoal for tr shenanigans, and prority stopping along with the extra sun

[solid frigate]

Wolfey:Great Tusk does not deal 50% to Flutter Mane

That Flutter Mane:78/160

Sure...

[solid frigate]

so its Hybrid Tailwind TR

it would be funny that Terapagos would be good in TR

[timber falcon]

i have seen tr terapagos, its a neat idea

[solid frigate]

i want to try it,But My Track Record of Trick Room Teams:

Bad.

[timber falcon]

tr is easy to activate most of the time, u just need to cover for ways people might try and stop u

[solid frigate]

i can make a TR version of My Final Team

[timber falcon]

how many pagos teams are you making

[timber falcon]

what-

[solid frigate]

yeah ignore the troll yeam

[polar canyon]

What's with the terapagren team

[solid frigate]

its a troll team that uses Swamp Mechanic from Greninja and Venusaur

don't worry,i would not use it

[timber falcon]

any specs flutter sets?

[solid frigate]

wait

INtrusct Into Terapagos-

Oh boi-

[polar canyon]

I wonder if it's a bad idea to use wide guard iron valiant in the miraidon team

[solid frigate]

Iron Valiant as Support?

[polar canyon]

It's gonna have boosted speed and can still have a focus sash

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/6eb5d8cbf0d180a3

@timber falcon Version 1,Might change

[polar canyon]

Since terrain

[solid frigate]

make sense

[polar canyon]

Doubles or singles?

[solid frigate]

for what

[polar canyon]

Onde

[solid frigate]

what ruleset

[polar canyon]

[solid frigate]

CALYREX SHADOW.

[polar canyon]

Caly s

Psyspam

[solid frigate]

but seriously,what Type you fancy

Ghost then

[polar canyon]

Faz sentido

[solid frigate]

Ghost Mono then

[polar canyon]

Only reason?

[solid frigate]

imagine my Town has these kinda Tournament Me wit my Terapagos Mono Normal Team-

[polar canyon]

Grafaiai support

[solid frigate]

Terapagos you really need to do stuff for commitment

[solid frigate]

Oranguru Instruct

[polar canyon]

Porygon 2 + ursa blood moon

[solid frigate]

Yeah its Bloody if someone make a Terapagos Mono type team

(I might do it lol)

Ok without Indeedee,I can make someone use a Psychic Terrain

other Ghost Types that Learns PSYCHIC TERRAIN??

well only Calyrex Shadow

but then again,without it,Normal plain Ol' Psychic would be fun

try build a team with it

[solid frigate]

I'll build a Normal Mono if you want to use Terapagos

[polar canyon]

170

[solid frigate]

Offensively*

[polar canyon]

Caly ice

[solid frigate]

thats why i say Offensively its good,defensively is bad,But you have Snow Boost

I'll build the Normal Mono if you want to use the Turtle,currently is very good

[timber falcon]

can raging bolt run specs

[next stump]

you’re probably better off just running life orb, booster energy, or magnet

[mighty stump]

I like specs as a meme

Volt Switch

[next stump]

being specs locked into thunderclap is tough unless you’re just CTS player

[wicked moon]

Specs on fissure. Very worth it

[wicked moon]

Oh shit I just noticed the item

Lmfao

You get to use one move

[solid frigate]

wait

Terapagos is the First Restricted Legendary that is a Normal Type-

i always did not think that cuz Type Null and Slivaily

[polar canyon]

Hey

Iron Valiant @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Wide Guard
• Icy Wind
• Moonblast
• Destiny Bond

For e terrain

[solid frigate]

it is a Good support Iron Valiant

[timber falcon]

i think ive made a pretty solid team

[polar canyon]

Nice avatar

[solid frigate]

Interseting

[timber falcon]

just testing it

[timber falcon]

i love the clown so much lol

[mighty stump]

Snorlax is online

[polar canyon]

Blog post?

[mighty stump]

Well my Reg G blogpost is up but I don't have a team blogpost yet

Probably might do 3

I'm just testing Snorlax

[polar canyon]

Hey tofu would you use wide guard valiant in a miraidon team

[mighty stump]

It's an option

[polar canyon]

Cool that means it's not bad

[autumn vault]

The most NPC moveset to ever win a regional

[solid frigate]

But it works lol

[mighty stump]

I mean it helps that Tyo is an insane player

[autumn vault]

True, but still looks like a moveset you would see an NPC at a battle tower use (the worser ones, also those 1HKO moves are 90% accurate when they use them)

[timber falcon]

it befuddles me that it worked lol

[solid frigate]

wait which Battle Frontier Trainer uses Articuno-

[autumn vault]

The only one i think uses articuno is Brandon from Emerald in the 2nd fight

[timber falcon]

what are thoughts on power spot stonejourner

[solid frigate]

wait,Let him cook

[timber falcon]

im generally considering it lol

its definitely a but niche

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 874: Stonjourner

Type

Rock

Abilities

Power Spot

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/135/20/20/70

Total

470

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

It's faster than it looks

[timber falcon]

wtf is that spdef

[solid frigate]

Its even worse-

[dapper crag]

Stonjourner's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Press, Body Slam, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Giga Impact, Hard Press, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Superpower, Take Down

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Power Gem, Round, Snore, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Curse, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Rock Polish, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Wide Guard, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Stonjourner.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

WIDE GUARD IS THERE ACTUALLY

ok thats good at least

[polar canyon]

You gotta run calm max spdef

[wicked moon]

Guys how much do you think mega deoxys will break the meta? I know it’s happening. It makes so much sense. It will take the best stat from all of the different deoxys forms. It will be unstoppable

[timber falcon]

will this even help?

[polar canyon]

Yes

[solid frigate]

put it in Pokepaste

[mighty stump]

Pretty irrelevant topic suggestion

[solid frigate]

there is a button in the bottom

[bold geode]

Ain't gonna really conspire on that one

[polar canyon]

That's really not happening

[wicked moon]

Wdym it’s relevant and it’s happening

[timber falcon]

looks weak still

[wicked moon]

It’s true I swear

[polar canyon]

I don't think we're gonna get a 1000 bst god pokemon

[wicked moon]

Yes it is

[bold geode]

Fat troll, ignore

[mighty stump]

I guess it's time to click block

[timber falcon]

wait whats happeninG? i wasnt concentrating

send the link

[polar canyon]

This last one made it clear

[timber falcon]

on the paste, theres a link at the top. Copy and paste that and send it here so we can get a beter look

cant read that

wait nvm i can now

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by woodtofu. Message from · Feb 20, 2024, 6:08 PM

[polar canyon]

Cade shell smash

[timber falcon]

ok a full team of max max evs isnt a great start i dont think btw

[polar canyon]

Paia

Are there rules about language

[solid frigate]

idk

[upbeat quail]

Coaching is my new favorite move.

[timber falcon]

guys, would it be smart to run spe torn

[polar canyon]

Yes

[solid frigate]

for Utlility Yes

[polar canyon]

Taunt mirrors

[timber falcon]

i meant 0 spe

[upbeat quail]

I invest enough speed to outspeed non-scarfed urshifus

[timber falcon]

0 spe torn is what im thinking

[polar canyon]

Why?

[upbeat quail]

Oh

[timber falcon]

cause what im noticing, is people use rain to stop my weather team

and ill need sun to be up at the end of the turn, sooo

[polar canyon]

Does koraidon get u-turn?

[timber falcon]

why not make sure im slower than all the others

[timber falcon]

i mean, yeah

[polar canyon]

It's nice that mirai gets volt switch

You get to switch it in again if they take away your terrain

[solid frigate]

i think i did the same thing with Kyogre in testing when i use Assault Vest Kyogre

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2102030591-hbz2o2vtkgtzb42nhzqco4ofdokdii6pw for instance

0 protect

[solid frigate]

main issue

[next stump]

Baxcalibur > Cloyster

[polar canyon]

Lagging tail torn meta

Real

Sd scale shot?

[solid frigate]

I'll send you a Set for ti

[timber falcon]

also they look like what id call "lazy evs"

max max all the way isnt great

[polar canyon]

Max def max spdef is especially questionable

[timber falcon]

mhm hp is lacking

[solid frigate]

ok

[timber falcon]

especially for k-white, that can run max max but make it hp

[polar canyon]

Unless it's a pokemon with like 150 hp and 50 base spdef, rule 1 of evs is that hp first

Defenses after

[timber falcon]

thats not the problem

its the spdef

[polar canyon]

Try for 137 speed stat

[timber falcon]

i mean speed

[solid frigate]

Baxcalibur @ Leftovers
Ability: Thermal Exchange
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 156 HP / 180 Atk / 84 Def / 84 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Glaive Rush
• Ice Shard
• Protect
• Dragon Dance

I made this Bax just now

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

You can get that nice speed that beats non booster mane and chien after an icy wind

[timber falcon]

for a mon like this honestly bulk over speed

[polar canyon]

137

[timber falcon]

or that

and with specs u can spare a few evs instead of max spatck

[polar canyon]

You can just go for a low stat bump

172 speed 156+ spatk

[timber falcon]

on what?

get the KO on what?