competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu Fairy

[polar canyon]

My guess is that zygarde is gonna have new forms between 1 and 99% and they're gonna be rides as you get zygarde cores from bosses around the region

[solid frigate]

fuck. No.

[molten oasis]

Idk

We’ll see

[foggy lodge]

You know they can

[polar canyon]

It's gonna be so cool when I'm right

[foggy lodge]

In less than a gen they gave a new form to an already good Pokémon

[solid frigate]

so kinda like Zygarde Core with Bonnie in XY Anime but more progression Based?

[foggy lodge]

(Ursaluna)

[polar canyon]

Kinda how in gen 7 you'd get cores to unlock forms

[molten oasis]

That was odd

[solid frigate]

ah ok

[molten oasis]

Can’t believe they did that

[polar canyon]

It was pretty cool honestly

[solid frigate]

Imagine Legends Z-a Give us the Sub Legendary Trio we do not have in XY

[polar canyon]

They should keep doing this thing where instead of treating pokemon as new or old they act like they've all always existed

This pokemon we added in the most recent game? It has a blood moon form now

[foggy lodge]

If i had a nickel for every moon themed Pokémon that has luna in it's name i'd had three nickels

[polar canyon]

Does roaring moons spanish name count

I got it from wonder trading a few times

[solid frigate]

Also just to be Clear,Gen 6 does not have a Sub Legendary Trio or Quartet

[polar canyon]

That makes it 4

Ursaluna blood luna

[solid frigate]

Gamefreak is drunk when making this

[polar canyon]

They have the birds..

[solid frigate]

They are Kanto so it does not count

[polar canyon]

It half counts imo

They're even roaming legends and everything

[solid frigate]

I mean native To Kalos

thats my main thing to complain about XY

[foggy lodge]

Gen 8 doesn't right?

[polar canyon]

It has the galarian birds

[foggy lodge]

Unless they add a third horse to Calyrex💀

[solid frigate]

i will just Scream in Horrified

[polar canyon]

They're kinda hinted at being unrelated to the kanto birds and just look like them so people mistook them for those

[foggy lodge]

They can do it and You know

In 4 gens more we are gonna get another horse

[polar canyon]

We have the slow physical bulky one and the fast special "frail" one

We're gonna have the average everything one

[solid frigate]

i will fucking Cry in sorrow

[polar canyon]

Base 120 all stats

[foggy lodge]

It's said that the galarian birds are the original

[solid frigate]

ah yes. Arceus.

[foggy lodge]

And i think it explains better their names

[polar canyon]

Calyrex might as well be a god

In the lore he has sacred powers of good harvests

[solid frigate]

Arceus and Bidoof:You dare challenge us?

[foggy lodge]

Pokémon has so much lore but it doesn't take advantage of that

I'm going to be honest with you Lisa

Pokémon doesn't has lore, it's just random referencea

[polar canyon]

Who

Wait wait wait wait

[solid frigate]

imagine they butchered Terapagos in Gen 10 when he returns

[polar canyon]

If I want to use ice rider calyrex in comp it means I have to beat the swsh dlc all over again

Just to get a 0 speed calyrex

[polar canyon]

I mean I'm sure it won't have tera

It's already guaranteed to lose that

They probably could excuse it for that case since terapagos is the origin of all tera energy

Actually no you still need a tera orb

[solid frigate]

maybe similar to Zygarde-

[foggy lodge]

I mean it doesn't really need that?

Like Eternatus still has it's signature move

And i think it still transforms in the eternamax

[polar canyon]

No it only still has dynamax cannon

[polar canyon]

It hasn't done that without a tera orb

The first time it happens it was kieran's orb

[solid frigate]

Eternatus can't Dynamax normally,so it does not matter,just remove Eternabeam

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos is so cooked

[solid frigate]

however Terapagos and Ogerpon have Terastal states

[polar canyon]

Ogerpon wont be cooked

[molten oasis]

3 games with encore

[polar canyon]

They can still work without tera

[molten oasis]

Isn’t that just fun, setting up groudon has never happened

Because every iron bundle has taunt or encore

[polar canyon]

It has happened, in fact it'll keep kappening for 3 more turns

Wait people use bundle now?

Is it with miraidon

[solid frigate]

maybe similar to idk Red and Blue Orb?

[polar canyon]

Just like how those weren't in gen 8?

And gen 9

[solid frigate]

i mean,honestly,if they want to keep the Form,then i don't see why not

[polar canyon]

Who says they want to keep it

Ultra necrozma is gone

[solid frigate]

i forgot about this

[molten oasis]

Someone called me cringe for using cloak moon

[solid frigate]

the only saving Grace for these two forms is that National Dex and Bring back all 4 Gimmicks,Which is Impossible

[solid frigate]

B r u h.

[molten oasis]

Because I knocked off his Lunala’s power herb

So he got stuck on the field

So in response I go “so is comfey”

[solid frigate]

that is not cringe that just unexpected Planning

[polar canyon]

He got what he wanted

Got you to still be thinking about him

You lost the mind battle

[solid frigate]

anyways

[foggy lodge]

Can i post a rental team that is not mine to #rental_teams ?

Is the japan balance team

[molten oasis]

+1 76 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar in Sun: 236-278 (88.3 - 104.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO god damn

[molten oasis]

Why do you do this

[solid frigate]

Yeah i experienced it

[molten oasis]

Oh shit

We breached 1500

Top 300

I like this team lol

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100650084-bc6amxm2mcstimmpbbpavqp30l46ai2pw

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100651872

Terapagos survived by 1%-

[molten oasis]

Huge lol

[solid frigate]

Terapagos just did the Link Survived in Half a Heart in BOTW/TOTK

[molten oasis]

Fr

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/reshiram-zekrom-pokemon-terminal-montage-battle-royale-gif-14159509

[elder bridge]

What’s a good sixth Pokémon for this team https://pokepast.es/7a95e999f4d2efdd

[solid frigate]

Cresselia?

[polar nest]

cresselia i think

also

[solid frigate]

Cress or Farigaraf

[molten oasis]

The offense is so lacking

Besides Ursa

And dengo

Could go throat spray Fari

[chrome knot]

urshifu water

[solid frigate]

ok that works

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/449f3ffdea271e51

its done (i think)

[molten oasis]

Grass Tera on the moth is better than water as you resist grass

[polar nest]

done

[molten oasis]

Also, get that sash off of gambit

[polar nest]

ok

[molten oasis]

Give it assault vest

And low kick

And Tera fairy or dragon

[polar nest]

done

[molten oasis]

Protect over power gem on flutter

[polar nest]

done

[molten oasis]

Shifu can just be adamant

You got speed control you should be ok

[polar nest]

ok done

I have a team built on a uu mon

[molten oasis]

Can I see the updated paste? Just wanna make sure I got everything cuz otherwise the team is solid

The tiers don’t matter on showdown for vgc

It’s for smogon

[polar nest]

https://pokepast.es/7edfb7429379f8f6

this?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100660784-i3yhkmf98bnwcndyemvrf7qz9x5kdnnpw
Safety Goggles coming in Clutch

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have a farigiraf, kyogre, and archa spread?

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna get you a flutter spread rq

Calypso (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 132 SpA / 4 SpD / 116 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

You want this bulk to take certain hits

[polar nest]

ok

[molten oasis]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Icy Wind
• Tailwind
• Taunt use this for torn, just replace icy wind with protect

That’s about it everything looks good otherwise

[polar nest]

ok done

i (with help) built a team for an underrated underused mon!

now just gotta build in s/v

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100665627

Terapagos moment

Bro Tera'd Infront of Terapagos-

[molten oasis]

Tera fighting Zac is crazy wtf

[solid frigate]

sacred Sword Most likely

so close to 1300

[bold geode]

Meanwhile I'm still in low ladder
Why I gotta do dumb shit

[molten oasis]

You’ll get up

I’m keeping my cool rn lol

[bold geode]

I feel like I've had a healthy mix of a ladder experience today

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have a kyogre spread 🥺

[bold geode]

Nah
Groudon Sun superior

I am the Lorax
I speak for the trees

And the trees say
|| Kyogre is mid ||

[solid frigate]

Terapagos is so clutch-

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100668484

[nocturne holly]

deforestation boutta go crazy

Kyogre>>

[solid frigate]

i have to agree

Ogerpon just kills it

[bold geode]

People all the fucking time

Actually better yet

[bold geode]

The makers of New York be like

[nocturne holly]

just play around it 🤷‍♂️

[bold geode]

Yeah play around Wellspring Ogerpon and Bolt and Rilla

[nocturne holly]

yea

[bold geode]

Hell even Hearthflame

[nocturne holly]

idk what to use

[solid frigate]

Terapagos

No but seriously,use the one you most comfortable on

[nocturne holly]

this is my first restricted format

kyeurem?

[solid frigate]

Kyurem what form

[nocturne holly]

black

[bold geode]

In all reality, Kyogre can be used
But it's just harder cuz with the Scarlet paradoxes, Groudon got some more viability and the fuckin homies
Not to mention Koraidon also is around
But Kyogre can work
It's just harder to work with

[nocturne holly]

no white

[molten oasis]

Huge burn

[bold geode]

Also Miraidon also gives Kyogre issue
If you're Kyogre, you gotta go Grass tera

[nocturne holly]

wait koraidon and miraidon are legal

[molten oasis]

Don’t forget miraidon

[bold geode]

Yeah

[nocturne holly]

oh yea
ima do miraidon

[bold geode]

I said it

[molten oasis]

I missed that

[bold geode]

Also Rayquaza is good, said the copium man

[molten oasis]

Yes ray is good (copium is at an all time high)

[bold geode]

And that's about it
(Drago don't talk about the Honse)

[nocturne holly]

Wbt calyrex shadow

[bold geode]

Oh it's horrible

[molten oasis]

Monke why did you say anything moron

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100672191

PFFT

[bold geode]

Don't worry about the horse it's not good

[nocturne holly]

are you guys fr

[solid frigate]

Bro just rage after giving me Specs to my Terapagos

anyways, 1300+ now

[nocturne holly]

how is calyrex shadow not good rn

[bold geode]

It's just not
Right Drago

[nocturne holly]

guys it’s not funny 😡🤬

[bold geode]

What's not funny

[nocturne holly]

is pikalytics or anything updated yet

[molten oasis]

It’s so bad, they both just lose to dark types

[solid frigate]

aka

Incineroar

[molten oasis]

Caly ice loses to fire especially

[timber falcon]

caly rex shadow is rly bad rn

chi yu victims i call em

[solid frigate]

also finally i see Showdown Salt

[nocturne holly]

I guess I’ll do groudon

[cyan smelt]

Why did they trick specs onto your terapagos

[solid frigate]

I swear this is the funniest Moment ever

He forgot i am Stellar Form

anyways that Mistake make me go to 1300+

[timber falcon]

lmao

[cyan smelt]

How's he gonna call other people bad when he tricked choice specs onto a stellar terapagos

[solid frigate]

Gholdengo:With this Device! I can win AGAINST THE TURTLE!

Stellar Form Terapagos:Nah Instantly used The Nuke Button

[timber falcon]

HURRICANE TORN, THIS HAS GOT TO BE A JOKE

[molten oasis]

Yippee

[timber falcon]

AND I LOST CAUSE OF IT

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[cyan smelt]

I lost yesterday even though someone used parting shot on my kingambit

[timber falcon]

huh?

that made u lose?

[solid frigate]

ok what

[cyan smelt]

No I lost because I played badly

[timber falcon]

oh

[solid frigate]

also i was losing last match-

[cyan smelt]

All they needed to do was use make it rain and then Rayquaza would've come in to finish the job lmao

[solid frigate]

but even that,I still have Light Screen and Reflect

gonna be one of my favourite Moments

[cyan smelt]

I feel like playing a couple of sets but I'm on mobile ugh

[timber falcon]

now i lose to tera grass energy ball

and this isnt low ladder

[timber falcon]

from a flutter

[cyan smelt]

Tera grass is goated ngl resists kyogre and miraidon

[timber falcon]

energy ball though

[molten oasis]

Shit happens it’s ok

[cyan smelt]

The one flutter on ladder running energy ball

[molten oasis]

I lost to lead storm shadowrex today

[bold geode]

Lmao

[timber falcon]

no its cause 2 games ago it was hurricane torn

[bold geode]

Drago you did it again

[timber falcon]

the cts shenanigans are after me

[molten oasis]

I did what?

[bold geode]

Lead storm

[molten oasis]

FUCKING AUTO CORRECT

[bold geode]

Lmao

[cyan smelt]

What's storm

[bold geode]

When it rains

[nocturne holly]

https://pokepast.es/938c96aa1f67f943 thoughts on last slot?

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon or incin

[molten oasis]

Oh comfey won a tour

No wonder I keep seeing it

[bold geode]

Which one I wonder

Oh shit was it

Oh it was mine and Mika's lmao
I forgot

Yeah Lugia and Comfey

Though we're probably not the main reason you see it

[molten oasis]

Huh?

[bold geode]

I didn't know which tour it was

[timber falcon]

Lemme guess terapagos

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[cyan smelt]

With sableye?

[timber falcon]

Yep

[vestal elk]

yo guys how do i get acces to meteor beam??

[livid vine]

TM

Minior i believe

[vestal elk]

ohh ok

[quiet knoll]

Looking to run a competitive Giratina Origin; any thoughts on movepool/nature?

Not use to used to this Pokemon, and Smogon's listed moves for it change a lot between generations so I'm not sure what to run.

[wicked moon]

Guys, is enamorus good in comp? I don’t know much comp stuff but I was just wondering

[hard wolf]

rarely

[warped mason]

Just finished getting all 3 for the upcoming format. Its gonna be fun.

I think all 3 can still work in reg G

[vestal elk]

guys can anyone here have a grassy glide rillaboom?

i need for battle but i cant teach my rillaboom grassy glide cause i dont have dlc

[atomic mural]

Hey I have a funny game called giving me a free shiny groudon

[warped mason]

lol

how much speed do I have to invest into jolly scarf urchifu, to outspeed max speed caly shadow?

would it be this much?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-indigo-disk-gif-13582137320859028886

[solid frigate]

Don't do it,Giratina is Trash in VGC

i'm serious,its too passive to do damage,Gets Destroyed By Calyrex Shadow and Ice

[solid frigate]

a Niche, Incarnate can be Stellar Tera Blast User with Contary, Therian can be Amoongus Blocker that works in Trick Room

[obtuse rain]

Hey. Guys. I want to try to do a streaming/competitve thing. I was hoping I could get a bit of assistance.

My plan is to crochet/knit a row on a blanket in 1 color for every win, and a different for every loss, while using Minior

But I am having trouble even coming up with how the minior should be setup, and Id love a jumping off point.

(Also suggestions for the colors would be lovely)

[quiet knoll]

Duly noted, thanks.

[gentle crag]

crusher_1 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[vestal elk]

dude i got my team ready but my rillaboom cant learn grassy slide

[north pagoda]

Give me a few minutes. I’ll get the tm for you

[vestal elk]

yo tks dude what do u want for it

[north pagoda]

Nothing. Just any Trade fodder. I’ll Dm u a Trade code once I have it

[vestal elk]

oh ok dude appreciate it a lot

[north pagoda]

Dm sent

[vestal elk]

yo anyone have meteor beam tm??

[charred saddle]

would have better luck if you go to #1112832566261731328 or other sections for it

[charred saddle]

just calc.

max speed timid caly is 222

1.5x = 223

and so yes. 149 --> 223 after scarf
iirc itll be rounded down

but the cases isnt always that, urshifu threat isnt only calyrex

speed booster mane is also something you should keep in mind

and funny enough 149 is also max speed adamant for urshifu

[cyan smelt]

should i replace low kick on my kingambit with brick break to deal with opposing screens?

[charred saddle]

thats ur choice, and also depends on how the meta shapes

if screens are prevalent enough maybe? and most of the time gambit wants to press lowkick is to heavy opponents anyway, counting it like that its quite high bp

[cyan smelt]

my team struggles with screens and i can't ohko a-ninetales and i also struggle to deal with terapagos behind screens

[charred saddle]

well to deal with a9 can be in variety of ways, like changing the weather. taunt it, or even just ohko it with like steel move. thats 4x

for terapagos wise, havent played with a terapagos team that much so ill stop there

prob like status move on it will be annoying, like taunt on cm set turtle

[cyan smelt]

i don't have taunt anywhere on my team

[charred saddle]

can i see the paste?

[elder bridge]

What’s a counter to booster speed flutter+ oger hearthflame in reg f

[charred saddle]

ironically, ur own firepon

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/7cc03ce375df00d7 not sure about EVs yet

[charred saddle]

didnt grimm can learn taunt

[cyan smelt]

i guess i could replace spirit break for taunt

[dapper crag]

Grimmsnarl's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Drain Punch, Facade, Fake Out, False Surrender, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Punch, Lash Out, Leech Life, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Play Rough, Power Whip, Power-Up Punch, Retaliate, Revenge, Shadow Claw, Spirit Break, Stomping Tantrum, Sucker Punch, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze

Special Moves

Burning Jealousy, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Endure, Fake Tears, Flatter, Focus Energy, Imprison, Light Screen, Metronome, Misty Terrain, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Power Swap, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Trick, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Grimmsnarl.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

just be aware that grimm is weak to fairy, so opposing ninetale can just moonblast it

it prob wont ohko but with a double up itll ohko

if they did double up you can just iron head the A9

trading both support

dont think that turtle can ohko AV gambit even with crit EP

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah if i taunt i can stop terapagos from setting up cm and a-ninetales from setting aurora veil

[charred saddle]

ye

or like having encore is also nice

if they CM, just encore it

and its locked or like after protect

also keep in mind, setting up means that its a passive turn for the opposing side

[cyan smelt]

yeah but terapagos is so damn bulky, i'd prefer it to not set up

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s what I’ve done

Gave my torn taunt after multiple terapagos teams

[dapper crag]

Move: Eerie Impulse

Lowers the target's Special Attack by 2 stages.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

I am gonna make a Video for that

personal Opinion of how to use it

[cyan smelt]

terapagoat

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e14368d1d341f562 thoughts?

[vestal elk]

guys is this teem good where can i improve https://pokepast.es/9cd6b11508d2a14e

[solid frigate]

yeah i just need to set up

[cyan smelt]

man caly-i is just too damn strong with clear amulet and coaching

[solid frigate]

I am so tired People saying Terapagos is bad,when its actually pretty good

[timber falcon]

I’ve seen this a few times

[cyan smelt]

it's either mienshao or annihilape

[timber falcon]

It’s always good to have a strong caly-ice MU

I just defeat with zama

[timber falcon]

Oh I haven’t seen ape with it, sounds interesting though

[cyan smelt]

ape is either coaching or final gambit scarf atm

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’ve seen gambit ape with caly-s, it’s very annoying to deal with

[solid frigate]

well time to make the Terapagos Video

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2100926997-ybx1j4k2u6l8l6w5z055558iwjjk1gypw match i just had, always gotta prepare for caly-ice and torkoal MUs, this could have gone rly bad

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah taunt helps me against tr caly-i unless they have farig too

[timber falcon]

I forgot caly can run tr lol

I used a blunder policy set with it

[solid frigate]

alright done the Video

[timber falcon]

That was quick

I thought it takes a long time to make vids

[solid frigate]

i just need to do the recording

[lofty tartan]

There's a difference in how videos are done that makes them take longer to make.

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[solid frigate]

editing I will ask someone to edit

[lofty tartan]

When you compile a lot of footage and do editing, it takes longer.

[charred saddle]

its for content?

the video i mean

[solid frigate]

I just want to make the video because of How People Trashing Terapagos

[lofty tartan]

When I was doing youtube more, it would take me a few hours to make a 20 - 30 minute video.

[solid frigate]

thats why i need to edit it

[lofty tartan]

Torrent, it's like 11 days into the announcement of the format and anyone with half a brain knows Terapagos is strong.

[solid frigate]

yeah ik

[lofty tartan]

Making a video isn't going to convince anyone thinking any different.

It's a math game anyway.

[solid frigate]

i just state on my opiniion

[charred saddle]

well people who got baited by videos that "scovillain is broken in reg F" maybe haha

[lofty tartan]

Yeah but those are the same people who think the gimmick teams are good because they're on youtube.

Like how my parents think anything on TV is true

[solid frigate]

honestly like This Video is fun,for like 5 minutes

[timber falcon]

Spicy extract set?

[charred saddle]

shit thats true

[cyan smelt]

has someone tried spicy extract on clear amulet groudon

[timber falcon]

I used to think gimmicks were good cause of those random vgc rental team giddy

[solid frigate]

not really

[lofty tartan]

I'd rather just Sword Dance

[timber falcon]

Vids*

[lofty tartan]

There's an opportunity cost there that's pretty big and it's called "running Scovillian on your restricted team"

[timber falcon]

My first reg g game was vs this

[solid frigate]

you just running a Worse Ogerpon-

[charred saddle]

no im just using anything as an example

[lofty tartan]

Not even.

Not even remotely a worse Ogerpon.

Not even in the same solar system as Ogerpon.

[timber falcon]

It’s different

[solid frigate]

i was saying about their typing-

[willow vault]

I mean gimmicks have become significantly weaker with the change to ots from cts. Means people aren’t going to get caught off guard by gimmicky teams

[timber falcon]

Thank god for that too

[willow vault]

Yeah

ots is such a good change

[timber falcon]

Mhm can’t believe it was only recently allowed

Makes the game wayyy easier to understand

[willow vault]

It allows for some many cool plays having the base knowledge of your opponents teams, generally raising the skill ceiling whilst lowering the skill floor. Such a positive change, imo.

[timber falcon]

Especially after seeing global challenge

[willow vault]

Creates more mind games, on guessing the option your opponent will choose, it’s just so nice not being left in the dark

[cyan smelt]

funny how muk smeargle players never go ots

[willow vault]

Funny that

[timber falcon]

That’s why they died out

For those team brute force is the way

[willow vault]

Indeed

Archaludon is a great mon into it if you use stalwart (not that you should) I hate the redirection + crazy amounts of stat boost

[cyan smelt]

or just use ursaluna bm or use gravity or use rain

[willow vault]

Oh yeah true

[cyan smelt]

ursa bm is honestly busted

[solid frigate]

Stamina is still the best,But Stalwart can be a Niche

[willow vault]

I mean you could use snipe shot if you want to be technical to achieve the same result. (I’m just thinking of niche ways of doing the same thing)

[timber falcon]

What even gets snipe shot, is it just intelion?

[dapper crag]

Move: Snipe Shot

Has a higher chance for a critical hit. This move cannot be redirected to a different target by any effect.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Targets

Any adjacent Pokémon

Introduced

Generation 8

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

so basically Aqua Cutter but slightly Stronger

[dapper crag]

Move: Aqua Cutter

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

And it can’t be redirected

And aqua cutter gets sharpness boost

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but then you have to use inteleon

[solid frigate]

mhm

[cyan smelt]

Can't believe they took focus energy away from inteleon but gave it to a bunch of dragons and gave dragons dragon cheer

[timber falcon]

Intelion lost focus energy?

[dapper crag]

Inteleon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aqua Jet, Bind, Bounce, Breaking Swipe, Dive, Facade, Fell Stinger, Fling, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Ice Shard, Icicle Spear, Liquidation, Pound, Scale Shot, Skitter Smack, Smack Down, Sucker Punch, Take Down, U-turn, Waterfall

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud Shot, Muddy Water, Round, Scald, Shadow Ball, Snipe Shot, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Vacuum Wave, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aqua Ring, Attract, Baton Pass, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Growl, Haze, Light Screen, Metronome, Mist, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Soak, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Tearful Look, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Inteleon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Oh

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it had it in gen 8

[timber falcon]

Might aswell dragon tera and dragon cheer it up for a niche set

Oh yeah i did see an attempted new smeargle muk

But they replaced smeargle with scovillain

[cyan smelt]

I thought that was the rage before DLC 2

[timber falcon]

Really? I’d never seen it before

[cyan smelt]

Yeah because scovillain has moody and rage powder

[timber falcon]

Yeah it did do that, but I had sandsear storm

And that was that

[dapper crag]

Muk-Alola [Poison/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Ghost, Grass, Poison

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[cyan smelt]

Smeargle can sometimes have wide guard

[dapper crag]

Smeargle's moveset:

Physical Moves

False Swipe, Fury Swipes, Seismic Toss

Special Moves

Flamethrower

Status Moves

Captivate, Mean Look, Odor Sleuth, Sketch, Sleep Talk, Spore

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Smeargle.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

hmmmmmmmmm

[cyan smelt]

It can learn almost any move

[timber falcon]

It can’t learn transform anymore right?

[cyan smelt]

Nope

[timber falcon]

Yeah cause I was trying to find a way to do so

[solid frigate]

Imagine Ditto lets yo become another Restricted-

[timber falcon]

Im suprised ditto isn’t getting much usage

[solid frigate]

yeah

[timber falcon]

Cause I’ve seen it once in which it copied my restricted mon (lunala) but the player wasn’t the brightest with it and lost in turn 1

[solid frigate]

F

[timber falcon]

It went and used meteor beam lol

[solid frigate]

bro forgot It needs Power Herb lol

[timber falcon]

Mhm and caly-s was stopped by wide guard and finished with chi-yu snarl spam

[solid frigate]

F

[timber falcon]

But it’s a refreshing strat that I do think can work

[solid frigate]

yea

[foggy lodge]

It can

[vestal elk]

guys hows my team https://pokepast.es/9cd6b11508d2a14e

[charred saddle]

huh

aside of tera which you didnt change any,

rillaboom had bulkup? but its AV

dont see any reason for shellbell grimm, its better to have light clay

usually you dont run max spa speed on torn, and you want bulk for covert cloak still

choicebanded shifu is no go, especially when theres lots of threat that can outspeed you outside of tw, flutter as an example. its either scarfed shifu or mystic water with protect, band is just too hard to pilot

eternatus and hooh? reg G is 1 restricteds, not 2

[mighty stump]

Its for Ubers ig, but people need to stop building teams until they know how to play first though cause theres a lot of knowledge missing

[charred saddle]

dont even know what eternatus and hooh can do anyway

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

ah understandable then

[mighty stump]

and for Ubers theres Smogon to reference for information so there isn't really much of an excuse

[charred saddle]

smog smog

semok

aowkaowk

[dapper crag]

Ability: Turboblaze

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

just better mold breaker

[cyan smelt]

so i just played someone who led with thundurus-therian and tornadus, they set up rain dance and then ogerpon ohko thundurus and then they forfeit, wtf

[molten oasis]

lol

[cyan smelt]

what were they expecting?

[molten oasis]

to live lmao

[cyan smelt]

yeah but thundy-t is slower than ogerpon

[molten oasis]

probably was expecting to take the hit

which it very much didnt lol

[cyan smelt]

dumb to set up rain dance first

probably wanted to spam wildbolt storm

[molten oasis]

yea

[cyan smelt]

or maybe sludge bomb, it gets that right?

[molten oasis]

uhm

[dapper crag]

Thundurus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Astonish, Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Facade, Fling, Fly, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Payback, Return, Revenge, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Drop, Smack Down, Smart Strike, Strength, Supercell Slam, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Thrash, Thunder Punch, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Discharge, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Incinerate, Psychic, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Wildbolt Storm

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bulk Up, Charge, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Embargo, Endure, Heal Block, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Taunt, Thunder Wave, Torment, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Thundurus.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

yea

[cyan smelt]

prolly 145 base sp into ogerpon or grimm

[molten oasis]

yea, although ive seen grass knot on thundy t

to hit ground types

im gonna need to find a way to get another ogerpon in my save lol

[cyan smelt]

Alt and just go to kitakami and get a level 20 ogerpon

[molten oasis]

does playing the game on a different account still give you access to the dlc?

nvm i looked it up

[cyan smelt]

Yes

And kitakami scales so everything will be low level except the loyal 3

[mighty stump]

ongod?

Pog

[molten oasis]

lmao

its getting those onto my alt

idk how to do that

[cyan smelt]

Tera ice weakness policy caly I, there are some wacky sets out there

[molten oasis]

indeed

https://pokepast.es/a184479091816ed3 going to start looking for my third restricted, thoughts on this?

[cyan smelt]

Hmmmm a little bit vulnerable to kyogre

I wonder if gastrodon is viable anymore or if it's a tera hog

[molten oasis]

i got a crit and im sitting here like, ok? i won anyway

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2101030444

[cyan smelt]

That's like my game just before, kingambit got frozen but then immediately thawed out and was able to use iron head on a ninetales

[bold geode]

Literally ask Legion lmao

[molten oasis]

oh

no i dont want to fight this fucking tr sun team again

[autumn vault]

Since i have teams that have a very bad MU into tr i will take your word and pretend his tr sun team would rip my teams apart

[molten oasis]

i beat him this time but it was cuz i read his tera lol

[autumn vault]

Nice

[true niche]

is kingambit the ultimate calyrex (both formes) counter?

[molten oasis]

id argue its incin but gambit is good into them

[autumn vault]

Not the ultimate counter but it is a good one

You just have to pray that you win speed ties against calyrex ice assuming it is 0 speed iv brave

[molten oasis]

also hope the tera isnt fighting

[autumn vault]

I am pretty sure it's best teras are fire and water, i would hope that fire isn't the tera, fighting is hardly ever used on it

[molten oasis]

im not talking about ice

[autumn vault]

Oh right

Well yes fighting is a very common tera on shadow rider

[molten oasis]

ice runs high horsepower too btw

[autumn vault]

Don't forget CC

[molten oasis]

who tf is running cc on it

[upbeat quail]

What’s a good team for Solgaleo?

[autumn vault]

I have seen some people use CC

[molten oasis]

there isnt one cuz idt you should

[autumn vault]

I don't use it myself

[molten oasis]

use it

[autumn vault]

Nah, i will take high results the hard way with Zekrom, calyrex is the easy way

[molten oasis]

ah yes getting walled by gholdengo simulator

(this is assuming youre running cc)

[autumn vault]

Oh right, this is true

[autumn vault]

I don't know myself but maybe someone else does

[upbeat quail]

I’ve been wanting to use a mienshao. Does it partner with anyone else besides shadow calyrex?

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

you can pair it with more than caly shadow

it pairs well with any restricted taht doesnt like big spread damage

[autumn vault]

Fighting is a good offensive type so no doubt it partners up well with more than that

[upbeat quail]

I’m not the best at team building so I’m just asking.

[autumn vault]

and obv Wide Guard and Fake Out

[molten oasis]

miraidon like mienshao becasue of blizzard glacial lance and precipice blades

[upbeat quail]

Like it checks the dark and normal types that check shadow caly

[mighty stump]

Caly-Ice

Run Coaching.

[molten oasis]

groudon like mienshao beause of blizzard galcial lance, basically any hard hitting special attacker with spread moves

[lofty tartan]

Mienshao isn't a check. It's more support/disruption - it does damage, but not a ton.

[molten oasis]

i was getting there lol

caly ice cuz coaching, and protecting from shadowrex

[autumn vault]

It does make MUs a little easier to manage, obviously not counter (and 65/60/60 defenses arent helping it) but gives a way to manage them

[upbeat quail]

I just like mienshao a lot and it seems rather viable. I’ve been looking into hariyama as well but I’m not sure if it can do much.

[autumn vault]

Not consistently manage them

[molten oasis]

mienshao good

i saw a conkeldurr the other day

[upbeat quail]

I do not miss conkeldurr being good.

[molten oasis]

people searching for all the good wide guard mons rn lol

[lofty tartan]

That's not what I was saying or what was being said lol

I'm saying just having a random fighting type around doesn't check anything. Do people even know what checks are anymore?

[autumn vault]

Well Marshal would love this meta where his most annoying pokemon are viable

[upbeat quail]

👀

[molten oasis]

who?

[autumn vault]

Marshal is a member of the E4 in Unova

The fighting member of the E4

[molten oasis]

ah

i know what a check is but idk how to explain it

hmm

@upbeat quail the term youre looking for is threatening not check

[vestal elk]

guys is trapagos good??

i traded necrozma for it cause i odnt have dlc#

[autumn vault]

One of the best pokemon

[vestal elk]

was it a good trade??

[autumn vault]

I think so

[vestal elk]

btw dude u know anyone who will trade his calyrex for a dialga or a uxie

[autumn vault]

No

[vestal elk]

like what should i give for a calyrex

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/084ad70ec18b890a

How’s this team looking? Too many fake outs?

[molten oasis]

no its fine

[mighty stump]

-calc 163x1.5

[gentle crag]

Result: 244.500000

[molten oasis]

what is the point of heavy slam

rock slide/swords dance looks better there

[upbeat quail]

Heavy slam for fairies

I’ll try rock slide

[mighty stump]

You don't need Rock Slide or Heavy Slam

The main relevant Fairy being Flutter Mane means Heat Crash is just more than enough

[upbeat quail]

So SD instead of heavy slam?

[molten oasis]

yea

slide's just an option

[upbeat quail]

Okie dokie. I thought of dropping SD just because of coaching on mienshao

But that’s not always the best option

When there’s a fake out or wide guard to be used

[molten oasis]

sure

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

according to cbutty zac balance with torn has like

[timber falcon]

Why heavy slam

[molten oasis]

no outright ass mu's

[timber falcon]

What’s this?

[molten oasis]

which i do agree with

[molten oasis]

Cbutty's tier list for reg g

[timber falcon]

It looks bad

I’m saying it

Why is zac so high up

[solid frigate]

I do Agree that Dialga Originl is Better than Palkia Origin but RIP Normal Dialga

[molten oasis]

also currently its agreeed on that Zac Mirai Terap Korai Shadowrex Dn Icerex Zama Lunala and Kyogre/Kyurem white are the best rn

not in order

[timber falcon]

By who

[molten oasis]

what if you read my message about zac balance lol

[timber falcon]

This one?

[molten oasis]

the general population lol

[chrome knot]

made by 1 person

[molten oasis]

yes

[solid frigate]

I want to say Mirai>Terap

[timber falcon]

I mean reg G isn’t properly out, I reckon things will change

[molten oasis]

i dotn agree with the tier list

zac is a imo

[timber falcon]

No bad MU? What about Groudon

[molten oasis]

you run shifu with rain torn to deal with sun

i figured that out a while ago

[timber falcon]

Yeah but that’s a team not the mon itself

[molten oasis]

...

[solid frigate]

I'll try make one tier list but i might anger loads

[molten oasis]

its not a ranking based on the mons itself it puts other parts into consideration

idt zac is s

[timber falcon]

Aren’t those subjective

[timber falcon]

This

[chrome knot]

yeah this happened in reg f and everyone was way off so let the kids have their fun till Indianapolis

[timber falcon]

Mhm cause people will find ways to walls whatever is good eventually

[molten oasis]

i still think this is accurate

[timber falcon]

Look at how ice took over reg F

[molten oasis]

again NOT in order

[chrome knot]

it didnt..

[molten oasis]

ice did not take over reg f

[timber falcon]

Near the end it did no?

[molten oasis]

no

[chrome knot]

it won 1 special event and was never seen again

[molten oasis]

it was established as something you should keep an eye out for

[timber falcon]

Most meta mons were weak against it, I’m talking based on what u saw on showdown ladder

[molten oasis]

it never became hard meta

[chrome knot]

if we’re talkin about take overs look @ calm mind cycle bolt

[molten oasis]

absolutely

[timber falcon]

No it didn’t I worded it wrong mb

[chrome knot]

porygon2 incin amoonguss cores

[molten oasis]

bolt rilla incin shifu exploded

[timber falcon]

I meant how Ice jumped reg F

[solid frigate]

Does anyone Agree that The Bikes are stronger than Terapagos-

[molten oasis]

mirai yes korai no

[timber falcon]

Yeah

also calyice isnt S imo, seems easy to deal with

[molten oasis]

...

[dreamy prism]

Someone can help me to improve my team pls?

[molten oasis]

paste?

[swift shadow]

Hi guys

[charred saddle]

if ur taking on a specific time then yes, but it was never a meta i think

[solid frigate]

Well i tried,and its true,i beat 3 teams of it

[molten oasis]

it was popular for a week lol

[timber falcon]

Idk it seems A+ to me.

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[charred saddle]

and the only specific apprent ice team is tyo ice team

[molten oasis]

i agree with a+ but its not easy to deal with

you need tools to handle it

[timber falcon]

Depends on the team ig

[charred saddle]

it was not like oh ice is nice and everyone trying it out

[molten oasis]

yea

[timber falcon]

Maybe cause I’ve used it, my teams are designed to have a hard counter to it

[chrome knot]

it did not last long

[charred saddle]

yeah

[molten oasis]

it lasted like, a few days lol

[charred saddle]

it is like by far one of the most fun team tho hahaha

[chrome knot]

all the castors of the next NA regional all predicted it to show up and it didnt lmao

[timber falcon]

Those days felt like weeks for me, I generally struggled against it

[charred saddle]

its so fucking fun to use

[timber falcon]

My own skill issue tbh

[molten oasis]

i literally played with 1 team teh second half of reg f so i cant say much

[solid frigate]

i tried to fight it and i actually have a Positive win rate against Calyrex Ice,Reflect Walls it and they always terastalise when i going to Tera my Terapagos

[timber falcon]

Why would they tera

[molten oasis]

very weird thing about terapagos mu's

[solid frigate]

they want to kill my Grimmsnarl aand Terapagos

[molten oasis]

i do think you still need to find ways to utilize your terapagos

[timber falcon]

How does grimsnarl threaten on any way

[molten oasis]

i mean tera

[timber falcon]

Maybe it’s foul play?

[molten oasis]

grimm's are running foul play to handle calys rn

[timber falcon]

Oh ok

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Good to know I’ll need a grimsnarl answer sooner or later

[molten oasis]

not really but ok

[timber falcon]

I’m making a caly-s team soon

I assume I need pagos and sabelye answer

Sometimes grim

[solid frigate]

I still need to play well against mirror Match

[molten oasis]

idt anything literally ansers for terapagos except like, zama

[timber falcon]

Cc

[molten oasis]

thats not an answer

[timber falcon]

Oh?

[molten oasis]

well,

[timber falcon]

For my lunala team I just CC spam it lol

[charred saddle]

tera fighting choice banded darkshifu closecombat

[timber falcon]

Mhm

[charred saddle]

ez.

[molten oasis]

the thing with most of the cc users is having to deal with the partners

[timber falcon]

True, comfee is annoying

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Weight (Low Kick BP)

105kg (100 BP)

Height

1.9m

Introduced

Generation 8

Base Species

Urshifu

Pre-evolution

Kubfu

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

M: 87.5%, F: 12.5%

Color

Gray

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[charred saddle]

jokes aside i havent played any terapagos team so

[timber falcon]

Really?

[molten oasis]

like shifu can beat terapagos but thats assuming you have figured out how to handle the partners that prevent shifu from doing said damage

i like clef for redirection

[dreamy prism]

Someone can help me to improve my team pls?

[timber falcon]

Also if ur faster than terapagos u can overwhelm b4 it sets up

[molten oasis]

paste?

[dreamy prism]

Yes, sorry

[molten oasis]

you can try thats for sure

[charred saddle]

only played terapgs team twice and its like i won twice easily, taunted and they tried CM, and the other was a landslide

ko both leads and forfeited

[molten oasis]

sounds like they aren't good players

[timber falcon]

It’s my MU for it on lunala team, heat wave + meteor beam

[molten oasis]

Tofu got terapagos to #1 with it

[charred saddle]

its more like i had both leqds pretty nicely

[molten oasis]

fake out

[solid frigate]

And i'm currently in 1300+ so idk

[molten oasis]

and if you use your tera thats a resource used

[timber falcon]

Ghost tera chi-yu is to stop it

[molten oasis]

or if they lead some kind of redirect so terapagos eats the heat wave

[charred saddle]

the second terapagos team had lots of ground weaknesses, incin bolt and sometthing

[molten oasis]

...

[charred saddle]

and they led incin bolt, so i just ez sandsear raindance

[molten oasis]

lol

[charred saddle]

and they forfeited

[molten oasis]

i do agree with most of the tier list im looking at

[timber falcon]

I haven’t seen much of em tbh

[molten oasis]

mirai is admittely gross so i understand it there

icerex does prefer tr to sweep, and it does it very well

[timber falcon]

And caly-s is just a fast sweeper

Or a calm mind set, it’s bulky enough to run that

[solid frigate]

Wait why does it sound like Me (Nvm what team is it

[molten oasis]

so btw

https://pokepast.es/21796b1b71de0229 this is what ill probably end up using the most

balance is so good for zac

you just drop the lando i/bolt spot for torn to handle sun which is the core's weakness

[solid frigate]

idk should i replace bolt with someone else or keep bolt for any Tornshifu

[molten oasis]

paste?

[solid frigate]

https://pokebin.com/17e20269050dcc40

i add some notes

which are pointless

[molten oasis]

bolt looks good here i like it

if you wanted more offense you could go shifu

[timber falcon]

They aren’t pointless

Helps u remember why stuff is there and what it does

[timber falcon]

I see the balance has been balanced, how has the team done so far

[molten oasis]

havent played for a few days but it felt really good

i think it hit 1400ish

[timber falcon]

I like to replay the teams once in while, just to check I still got it

I reckon I’ll make my first rental next reg, seems fun

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/e9bce85b2a58ad32
https://pokebin.com/f7bfd9223cf3160c
https://pokebin.com/d92007f82ee331d1
these are the teams im probably sticking with

[chrome knot]

dont use pokebin

[molten oasis]

why?

[solid frigate]

i get screwed once but i used this team to climb through 1300+ so i might keep it

[molten oasis]

i have these teams all in showdown rn

[chrome knot]

personally wouldnt choose to use a team storing site made by active vgc players that have access to the database at anytime but you go crazy

[solid frigate]

Pokemon Home Sprite is too Clean

I'll make More notes on my team for my Team

[molten oasis]

so i dont get my sets stolen?

i dont really see a downside to it

unless theres malicious intent somewhere

[chrome knot]

if you have a breakthrough team that performs well @ a big tournament with convoluted spreads dont be too surprised when certain names run it

[molten oasis]

oh, that makes sense

im not really very notable among any community tho so, idk if that would happen lol

be cool if it did tho

[chrome knot]

id be annoyed if someone took my spreads ngl

[solid frigate]

I'm Obselete lol

[molten oasis]

this server has a lot of my spreads that i actively share

i just dont really care rn, maybe in the future when i start officially competing

at regionals and such

[solid frigate]

i might as well in the future

https://pokebin.com/456b3eb99a3981f5

I added some notes

[charred saddle]

which one?

[solid frigate]

like the terapagos team you faced

[charred saddle]

oh, idk?

i never really looked the opposing teams name lol

especially when im playing2-3 games at the same time

[solid frigate]

damn-

[charred saddle]

i like to play 2 showdown matches at the same time

[solid frigate]

multitasking at its finest

[dapper crag]

Hello first time in here I want to know the best counter for klefki?

[charred saddle]

klefki isnt really used in vgc tho

[dapper crag]

I have died to one

[charred saddle]

what format are you playing? is it singles?

[dapper crag]

Yep singles in showdown

It was really annoying

[charred saddle]

ah then ill not say anything lol

i dont play singles

[dapper crag]

Fair enough

[charred saddle]

i think klefki singles runs screen and stealth rock no?

[dapper crag]

It thunder waved me too

Being par is not fun

[charred saddle]

[dapper crag]

I think a ground type will do but which one idk

[charred saddle]

well for hazards theres uh heavy duty boots

and rapid spin thingy

idk man singles are weird hahah

[dapper crag]

Hm ok and brick break gets rid of the screens right

[dapper crag]

Yea I feel that I’m doing this “gym leader challenge” so they are almost all singles

[charred saddle]

i mean theres a comp helper for singles

i just dk if hes here or we can tag him

[dapper crag]

I’ve lost to the fairy leader rip

[dapper crag]

Do it tag him

[charred saddle]

@mighty stump bang sbnrny blh tag comp helper ga si

[dapper crag]

This is also my first time using showdown before I only battled in SV yknow

Showdown is so hard

[charred saddle]

come try vgc

vgc fun

[dapper crag]

Nuh uh

[charred saddle]

yeah so anyway, if theres comp helper shiro, hes the one who usually gave advice on singles

[dapper crag]

Actually what is vgc again I forgot

[molten oasis]

[charred saddle]

im not close to shiro so i would refrain tagging him

[charred saddle]

basically official format, doubles

[dapper crag]

Anxiety my best friend

[charred saddle]

they have like regulations on which mon are allowed and not

[dapper crag]

Ah ok it’s different than PvP doubles?

[charred saddle]

drago are we allowed to tag shiro

[solid frigate]

Smogon is worse,they ban everything almost,At least VGC is alright

[charred saddle]

its uhh 6 mon in a team but only bring 4 to battle

[molten oasis]

its probably fine

[charred saddle]

pvp doubles is 6vs6 double

[dapper crag]

Ohh I’ve tried that I believe

[charred saddle]

idk how to explain kek

[dapper crag]

I lost a lot and won a few

Last time I used ogerpon to bonk

[dapper crag]

Then @ shiro for us

[charred saddle]

ill just wait for tofu affirmation

dont wanna have a problem kek

[molten oasis]

why do i have to do it i have done nothing in this convo

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-for-you-gif-8551867081249355873

[molten oasis]

except lurk

[solid frigate]

lol

[dapper crag]

This is your punishment for lurking

[charred saddle]

kek me shower

[dapper crag]

Bye bub

[molten oasis]

@summer shore this guy needs some singles help if your available

[solid frigate]

anyways

[dapper crag]

Anyways what you doing

[solid frigate]

we just do restricted Format now

[dapper crag]

Is that fun

[solid frigate]

well depends

[dapper crag]

Fair enough

[mighty stump]

blh

[bold geode]

Lmao

Boy retired

[mighty stump]

He's asking if you can ping comp helpers, I just said yea you can

[dapper crag]

Hello I was told to ask you for help?

[mighty stump]

I'm just not one

[dapper crag]

Ah wrong guy then? Oop sorry about that

[mighty stump]

Yea idk much about comp

[dapper crag]

It’s singles showdown

Not really comp I suppose

I’m just want to know a good counter for this keychain

[solid frigate]

Ok so its definetly Smogon

[dapper crag]

Sure I’ll say yes

[mighty stump]

Gholdengo

Either find a mon that can't be T-Waved and take advantage of passive turns used setting screens to set-up freely

[dapper crag]

Hmm but he can’t learn any fire or ground moves can he?

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/gholdengo.png

[mighty stump]

Brick Break as aforementioned can remove screens

[mighty stump]

Doesn't really matter, coverage as a concept is overrated

2 turns of them setting screens means 2 turns of nastyplot boosts for free

[dapper crag]

Ah ok ty I suppose that makes sense I’m trying to get used to this battle stuff

[mighty stump]

a trade off for them reducing damage by 50% vs you getting a +4 i.e. x3 boost to your SpA seems more than enough for me

[dapper crag]

Ooo good point what’s a good held item for the string cheese btw

[charred saddle]

tofu, what do you hate the most when u play with terapagos

[mighty stump]

Nothing

[charred saddle]

only met twice and both dont really play the turtle much

hm

[mighty stump]

Metal Coat, Life Orb, Leftovers

[solid frigate]

Mirror Coat?

ok nvm

[bold geode]

I heard Infernape was good, you should use it

[mighty stump]

Metal Coat

[solid frigate]

i thought of Something else

[dapper crag]

Alrighty thx for the advice I’ll try it out

[solid frigate]

boi my mind is not good on Multitasking

[solid frigate]

Incineroar:Kek Allow me

[charred saddle]

@ prog

armarouge says hello with meteor beam power herb

[bold geode]

No

Well yes, but no

[solid frigate]

Me with AV Incin:

+1 252+ SpA Armarouge Meteor Beam vs. 204 HP / 84 SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 146-172 (74.4 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[chrome knot]

good thing ur hindering yourself by not being able to use parting shot

we live meteor beam arma tho!!

[molten oasis]

accurate

[vestal elk]

guys i need help i got perapagos n iwant to put him in my team

but idk who to replace this ismy team https://pokepast.es/9cd6b11508d2a14e

[solid frigate]

Did I HEARD TURTL

[vestal elk]

ye

[vestal elk]

team u gave was op i wanna try tarapgos in it

[solid frigate]

but tbf,Turtle is a tera Hog,you need to commit on giving the Tera

[vestal elk]

ig i can do that only other poke i commit tera on is eternatis

[solid frigate]

it might be uncomfortable to use if you don't want to commit on it

[autumn vault]

I actually like the bans

[solid frigate]

well some are pointless,but some makes sense

[vestal elk]

i dont use tera much in battle so its fine for 1 to use

[autumn vault]

I constantly ask for flutter mane to be banned and smogon granting the wish made me like it, unlike VGC but Gamefreak banning is like Oil and Water, it doesn't mix

[solid frigate]

ok then i have to rework your Entire Team

[vestal elk]

damm

[autumn vault]

It will be good, i promise

[vestal elk]

its fine i just wanna get a nice team

tells me what i gotta do

[stray badger]

I'm trying to think of 2 more pokemon I want to build teams around, right now I have Goodra, H-Goodra, and Dragonite as a definitely, followed by Flygon. For the last two I'm not really sure, Milotic, Sneasler, and Metagross are candidates but I'm not sure

[solid frigate]

I might ditch Eternatus

[vestal elk]

ok what do ireplace

[molten oasis]

ill be lurking, im tired

[solid frigate]

I'll show you later

[solid frigate]

i have exam in Tuesday damn it

i am equally as tired

[vestal elk]

kk

[vestal elk]

bro ihope u get great grades gl dude

[livid roost]

https://pokepast.es/91917c71320c0c66 any obvious flaws in this team that I've over looked?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/7323305f79a84b2d

[solid frigate]

@molten oasis Gapdos and Zacian Team here

[molten oasis]

mienshao would be better over gapdos

then flutter over valiant

as mienshao gets wide guard

[solid frigate]

wait i can try test Ho-Oh Later but eh

[vestal elk]

wdym try test??

btw what does choce scarf do

[solid frigate]

increase Speed by 1.5x but only use One move

[vestal elk]

ohh ok

[livid roost]

thanks

[solid frigate]

i can try test Ho-Oh for Double Restricted for my team,but i can do that in the future

[vestal elk]

ohh ok

[vestal elk]

btw dude can u give like a general play style for him cause idk how to use correctly

[charred saddle]

wasily no protect will cost you like a lot

[molten oasis]

for ho-oh?

[charred saddle]

u cant scout, you get faked out

[solid frigate]

So Terapagos is A set up Sweeper, and You need to keep it alive,Grimmsnarl as Screens to help Terapagos Survive.

Ho-Oh is a stall Mon,But its more offensive than Lugia and you can switch in to get Regenerator heal and recover to stall

[charred saddle]

for adamant rilla hit 2nd bump is nice unless you have specific calcs for it

[solid frigate]

every mon is very good with Grimmsnarl in the team as screens halves damage output taken

[dapper crag]

Move: Reflect

For 5 turns, the user and its party members take 0.5x damage from physical attacks, or 0.66x damage if in a Double Battle. Damage is not reduced further with Aurora Veil. Critical hits ignore this effect. It is removed from the user's side if the user or an ally is successfully hit by Brick Break, Psychic Fangs, or Defog. Lasts for 8 turns if the user is holding Light Clay. Fails if the effect is already active on the user's side.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[vestal elk]

ok

[timber falcon]

O.66 is reduced by how much?

[vestal elk]

btw dude u got a metior beam tm cause i dont have dlc can anyone like just trade a tm

[molten oasis]

33% damage reduction

[timber falcon]

Oh so not much in doubles

Not THAT much at least

[solid frigate]

thats a problem...

[timber falcon]

Mhm comp is pay to win

[solid frigate]

and yes

[vestal elk]

ye i got lucky n someone here gave me grassy slide

[solid frigate]

try ask someone to give you the TM?

[vestal elk]

imma try

[solid frigate]

try test the team first

[amber radish]

Anyone know if theres any way to bypass a move's negetive priority?

[timber falcon]

Yes

[vestal elk]

some ude is trading metior beam

[timber falcon]

If you have prankster, smth like -6 turns into -5

That’s all you can do

[amber radish]

ok👍 thanks

[dapper crag]

Ability: Dazzling

Priority moves used by opposing Pokemon targeting this Pokemon or its allies are prevented from having an effect.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

you can try to use the team i made and try to test the team,i can be the practice dummy

in showdown obv

[vestal elk]

oh o

ok

gimme few mins this guy needs to trade me

[solid frigate]

ok

[timber falcon]

Do abilities like dazzling and queen’s majesty stop things like dragon tail

Just curious

[bleak spruce]

Random Question: Are Pokémon cloned in Emerald with the clone glitch competitive legal in SV?

[charred saddle]

would be better not to used any clones from the start, but itll be better to be asked in #hackcheck_discussion

[timber falcon]

I mean for official competitions I doubt it’ll be allowed

[mighty stump]

Lol

[pearl wind]

serebii says it only negates moves with increased priority

[mighty stump]

Don't talk about Cloning

[timber falcon]

Cool to know

[molten oasis]

its against the rules (i think)

[bold geode]

What if it's of the Shadow variety

Dattebayo

[timber falcon]

I just realised that’s sukunaroar lmao

[charred saddle]

shadow clone no jutsu

[timber falcon]

Also anyone here stepped into the realm of caly-shadow

[bold geode]

Leo stealing jokes smh

[charred saddle]

? idc about you bro

[timber falcon]

Like any sets

[charred saddle]

ur smelly

[charred saddle]

max max modest tailwind ez taunt wideguardnono bonk bonk ez lifeorb goes boom

[bold geode]

Wow toxic
Get reported

[timber falcon]

No bulk?

[vestal elk]

yo how do i play against u

[charred saddle]

jokes aside idk

[vestal elk]

in poke show

[charred saddle]

i dont play caly S

[timber falcon]

I don’t think many here do

[bold geode]

Max max yeah as far as I know