competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Though like
On Shell, Sacred is probably better than PR
I have only clicked PR once

I got Rapid so
Yay

[solid frigate]

that could work since Calyrex is-

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

eh i mean Urshifu could Tear it up

but it needs to survive expanding force

which is impossible

[molten oasis]

sash flutter yippee

and my first play rough of the day missed

should have expected it

[solid frigate]

i got Bleakwind storm misses On Zamazenta-

[autumn vault]

Unlucky man

[solid frigate]

2 in a row

[molten oasis]

i hate caly ice

[autumn vault]

And i havent missed yet

[molten oasis]

i hate them all, its so fucking stupid

[autumn vault]

Hate on Calyrex as a whole

Ice and Shadow are stupid af

[knotty mirage]

Welcome to restricted reg

[molten oasis]

they feel so unfair to fight

so fucking dumb

[autumn vault]

Also i noticed Miraidon isn't as good as it was hyped ngl

[molten oasis]

and everything has sash wtf

[solid frigate]

the stats are just WTF

[autumn vault]

Yeah it can wipe out a lot of pokemon but with the appropiate counters it feels like a mid legend, yes it is one of the best legends but i love building anti miraidon teams

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[autumn vault]

Scam

[solid frigate]

LOOK AT THE STATS

stop

[autumn vault]

Shut up

Its gone, atleast

[solid frigate]

like i can't stressed how good the stats are

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

why did gamefreak make this MF

[autumn vault]

Why?

[solid frigate]

because fuck the fans that why

[knotty mirage]

Back then people complain about urshifu i guess people will start to complain about calyrex now neat

[tawny obsidian]

Can I get help with something?

I need slowking

[autumn vault]

I never complained about urshifu ngl

[solid frigate]

i don't complain about Urshifu

Urshifu is just neat

[molten oasis]

shifu isnt that bad

[solid frigate]

sure it hits through protect but its funny

[autumn vault]

I always complain about flutter mane, atleast it is now balanced in this reg

[molten oasis]

tera also signifigantly boosts them

[autumn vault]

But who knows it might skyrocket in use again

[solid frigate]

probably not cuz Calyrex exists

[knotty mirage]

Oh well i guess it's time to say goodbye to my raid caly ice and start to fuse caly shadow

[tawny obsidian]

Who has slowpoke?

[autumn vault]

I said 'it might' for a reason

[solid frigate]

#trading_sv

[autumn vault]

Not the appropiate chat

[solid frigate]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhh

[molten oasis]

im having so much fun

[autumn vault]

You can still use it in tr

It is still viable

Just not as much as Shadow rider

[knotty mirage]

I mean yeah but too many weakness and i'm not really pro at using trick room

[autumn vault]

Fair

[molten oasis]

all you need is tera fire then you just win

[knotty mirage]

Shadow rider is just pop tailwind or use scarf and youre good too go

[autumn vault]

I am a very good tr player, i am good at many things

[timber falcon]

if u turn it into a rental cant you then swap back when ur done? or is it not possible

[solid frigate]

scarf alone is already busted

[autumn vault]

Scarf with Chi-Yu is too broken

[solid frigate]

also who gives Calyrex like 150 Speed.

[autumn vault]

Morons

[timber falcon]

is it though? seems basic

[knotty mirage]

The one who create flutter i guess

[autumn vault]

I mean hitting both opponents for really heavy damage and going first seems very powerful

[solid frigate]

top 7 fast.

[timber falcon]

i mean doesnt tw hard counter or smth?

[molten oasis]

i hate this

[timber falcon]

and incin get in the way

[solid frigate]

about that

tera fighting tera blast

[knotty mirage]

But yeah an ability that cannot be turn off by ng can snow ball by killing your mon and immunity too fake out

[molten oasis]

i only feel cabable of beating fucking miraidno

[knotty mirage]

And terra actually making it better than when in swsh

[autumn vault]

I am capable of beating calyrex shadow rider, just use chi-yu tw and murder it before it reacts

[timber falcon]

fake out-

[dapper crag]

what is the best slow pokemon

[autumn vault]

Calyrex ice rider

[timber falcon]

caly-ice

[knotty mirage]

Caly ice

[dapper crag]

:)

[knotty mirage]

And the best fastest pokemon is caly shadow neat

[autumn vault]

Non legends would be ursaluna (both) torkoal farig

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me:Can't even beat Koraidon Consistently

[autumn vault]

Dont rub it in on him

[timber falcon]

koraidon is fodder

yes i mean it

[autumn vault]

It isn't

Have you seen the damage tera fire flare blitz can do?

[knotty mirage]

But what do you expect for pokemon that get into anything goes tier

[timber falcon]

i mean i havent lost to it once ever, only mirai

[solid frigate]

i can't beat Miraidon,Both Calyrex,or even Groudon fo fuck sake

[timber falcon]

its about landing it though

[autumn vault]

I can beat every restricted except calyrex ice

[knotty mirage]

So how terrapagos doing lately ?

[autumn vault]

It is doing all right

[timber falcon]

just wait for lunala team to show u levels

[autumn vault]

It easily can, atleast from my experience

[knotty mirage]

Can it deal with caly shadow btw i mean immunity too astral barrage ?

[timber falcon]

it should do

unless eforce

[autumn vault]

No, but that is a reason i use flutter and scarf chi yu

[molten oasis]

why do my opponents et every flinch and crit

why

[timber falcon]

losing streak momento?

is it one of those?

like how i lost 3 games in a row to 1st turn crits

[autumn vault]

If that is a case, then a break might be the best course of action

[timber falcon]

mhm

[knotty mirage]

I'm expecting dark shifu gonna get more usage than watershifu on next reg

[solid frigate]

i love the turtle

[autumn vault]

Let me guess Calyrex shadow and ice

[timber falcon]

wonder what gave that away

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-indigo-disk-gif-13582137320859028886

GLOOGY STIM

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-gif-14770879743161183760

[timber falcon]

What tf is a gloogy

[autumn vault]

Idk man

[knotty mirage]

Yeah pretty self explanatory with no more yveltal but hey we might get more usage on galarian moltress too

[autumn vault]

And with flutter dropping in usage that is definetely likely

[molten oasis]

who uses TERA NORMAL GROUDON

[solid frigate]

idk i search that and i saw Google

[autumn vault]

People that despise Calyrex shadow

[knotty mirage]

People who desperate agains't astral barrage

[molten oasis]

AND HE GOT A FUCKING CRIT

im done

[autumn vault]

If i were you i would be that drunk guy in a clip falling off the stairs

[timber falcon]

[knotty mirage]

Hoo boy next reg gonna be really really fun isn't it

[solid frigate]

I swear- if it has Shell Smash its Busted-

[timber falcon]

Game freak has to maintain SOME sense of balance

[knotty mirage]

Not for fusion pokemon i guess

[solid frigate]

SWSH DLC:

[autumn vault]

Nah they dont care about balance

[molten oasis]

they care when new gens happen

thats it

[foggy lodge]

I mean sometimes i think is hard to happen

Pokémon is a weird game

[knotty mirage]

I mean caly s does have 4x weakness to ghost and dark but sash exist

[molten oasis]

I FUCKING MISSED PLAY ROUGH A-FUCKING-GAIN

[solid frigate]

but when DLC arrives,they don't fucking Care (SV is fine,Ogerpon and Terapagos are fairly Balanced compare to SWSH DLC)

[molten oasis]

I WAS FINE WHAT THE HELL

[timber falcon]

And it can hit both for super effective

[knotty mirage]

[foggy lodge]

Like having Pokémon that era explicetly stronger than others, like they can just sweep other Pokémon that are not legendary

[stray badger]

Accuracy 90? We all know that means it's 30.

[solid frigate]

i swear Give Zacian Spirit Break-

[timber falcon]

Just make a good fairy physical move

[solid frigate]

that DOES NOT MISS.

[knotty mirage]

Yeah with how zacian give gamefreak ptsd on swsh not happening

[solid frigate]

looking at you Rock SLide,Stone Edge and Rock Blast

[timber falcon]

and that can go or many Pokémon, not like mighty cleave stuck on a hunk of rock

[solid frigate]

Looks Like Incineroar does not

[stray badger]

It could be one of those mons that they bring out to nerf whenever they get bored

[knotty mirage]

I mean incin is more of support pokemon i don't think they care that much for that

[rustic mountain]

nerf zacian but leave caly s alone

[solid frigate]

like wtf. imagine they nerfed Terapagos in Gen 10 but Leave Calyrex Alone again

[knotty mirage]

Zacian tho is more on offensive which is ussualy the more problematic side of thing but yeah idk why they still let calyrex do the warcrime

[rustic mountain]

im not saying zacian shouldnt of been nerfed

but caly s also won worlds that year and was broken

[stray badger]

They'll only nerf them when they release them shiny

[timber falcon]

I’d argue the 3 turn sweep horse rider is more offensive

[solid frigate]

infact its much busted than Zacian

[knotty mirage]

Is this because DLC syndrome because you pay extra for it they just leave it alone zacian is not DLC

[solid frigate]

cuz Grim Neigh is basically Special Moxie

[knotty mirage]

I mean urshifu didn't get that much of nerf

[timber falcon]

Idk why they have them such busted abilities

[solid frigate]

but urshifu is actually ok

[knotty mirage]

It's not restricted mon so yeah

[rustic mountain]

rn yea i think zacian was better in a dmax format

[knotty mirage]

It only look busted when in earlier reg

[solid frigate]

yeah Gen 9 Legendaries had steep competition against Calyrex-

[timber falcon]

Didn’t torn shifu dominate early regs? So much they had to introduce new pokemon to wall it?

[solid frigate]

Zacian Feels Tame compare to that Mofo

[solid frigate]

you mean Archaludon?

[molten oasis]

zacian is good but its not turbo broken

[knotty mirage]

Now tho it just fine caly probably will stay busted untill SV final ranked season

[timber falcon]

And bolt

And a bit of oger

[solid frigate]

yeah i love them

[rustic mountain]

it was incredibly oppressive in dmax w/ behemoth blade doubling power on dmax mons, a higher atk stat and +1 wenever it switched in

its a lot tamer now tho still strong w/ those things gone now

[dapper crag]

uhhh sooo how do I make carlyrex and glastier become one

[solid frigate]

yeah so basically Embody Aspect (Hearthflame) kinda had Gen 8 Zacian's Ability

[knotty mirage]

No more stat buff when switch in it's nice it just sad zamazenta got punished too

[solid frigate]

give it a fucking Leash

[knotty mirage]

Use rein of unity

[solid frigate]

basically a Leash

[warped mason]

Been doing pretty well with this on casual ladder against people following the same format. Kyurem white feels good.

[knotty mirage]

Porto marinada auction

[rustic mountain]

imagine that and a stab that doubled in power if a mon was tera'd and a way higher atk stat

then itd b swsh zacian

also fairy/steel is an incredible typing

[solid frigate]

yep

[solid frigate]

so Kyurem white+A9+Meta Staples,gotcha

[warped mason]

Is there a problem with that?

[rustic mountain]

but yea caly s is def stronger now w/o dmax and the nerfs. id still prolly rank it higher then it even w/o them cuz powerful spread moves are so strong on ur restricted

[knotty mirage]

I don't think sitrus gonna be good idea when calyrex is around

[solid frigate]

its nice tho

[warped mason]

Thats a good point, what would u recommend instead?

[solid frigate]

well My Restricted mons are fine (Terapagos and Kyogre are testing)

[molten oasis]

caly s is so dumb

[solid frigate]

but they fucking die to Expanding Force

[rustic mountain]

maybe not as good but it still has use

[molten oasis]

and unfair

i hope it burns in the deepest parts of hell

[knotty mirage]

Probably leftover

[warped mason]

Rn I'm like 4/5 against shadow caly users with kyurem.

[rustic mountain]

nice

[warped mason]

Aurora veil is strong af

[knotty mirage]

Youre already using grass terra so safety google seem's to be overkill

[rustic mountain]

i gta play more games but i havent had much issue vs csr so far

[warped mason]

That and max hp kyurem lives everything shadow caly does, and one shots it back.

[mighty stump]

All the random Tera Normal Calys Ive met

Are so desperate

Lol

[rustic mountain]

haha

[knotty mirage]

[rustic mountain]

the teras on csr seem all over the place

[knotty mirage]

Tera normal being more common is def something

[rustic mountain]

fairy, normal, fighting

[solid frigate]

Things to hate Calyrex:

Broken DLC Mon
Broken Stats
Broken Movepool
Mid Battle Theme
Mid Origin Story(Its not bad,just Underwhleming)
The Ablity is just Moxie,except its way better
Design is Alright but why the Horses Exists
Why does it exist
Why does it Exist
Why Does it Exist

[rustic mountain]

didnt u post this already

[solid frigate]

i need to add more

[knotty mirage]

So people would buy the DLC

[rustic mountain]

ppl would buy it anyway

handful of stuff in swsh u cant get in sv. and if they made stuff like the horses and kubfu shiny huntable in sv dlc itd b the same that way too

they jus do shit

[dapper crag]

I made my team a trick room team the rental code is HSGV5J

[molten oasis]

oh boy a CRIT

[solid frigate]

pokepaste?

[dapper crag]

nah in game

[solid frigate]

put it in Showdown

[dapper crag]

ok

[chrome knot]

ngl i dropped $50 on swsh just to rng raids for vgc

calyrex was a bonus

[solid frigate]

wait is both DLC seperate?

[rustic mountain]

fair enough haha a lot easier method in swsh then just brute forcing it in sv

[knotty mirage]

No it just like SV dlc

[solid frigate]

ok fair cuz like 50 Dollars-

[knotty mirage]

You buy the DLC you get both the DLC content

[solid frigate]

does Emma mean the Game+DLC

[chrome knot]

only kick in the teeth is that indeedee-f raids are on shield and i have sword

[knotty mirage]

Oh it's 50 dollar

[rustic mountain]

yea thats rough

[knotty mirage]

Damn i guess now i know the reason they don't shiny lock on swsh DLC

[chrome knot]

no im canadian

costs more here

[solid frigate]

Nvm-

Sorry-

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

woooo canada

[solid frigate]

Canada is Underrated

[dapper crag]

here https://pokepast.es/936bcc10715f145c

[lofty tartan]

Hatterene has base 29 speed - go for a damage item/Covert Cloak, not Room Service.

[rustic mountain]

u made a rental w/ 4 mons?

[dapper crag]

ranked

[chrome knot]

christ

[rustic mountain]

wheres the other 2

[chrome knot]

thats

[lofty tartan]

Lagging Tail Flutter Mane

[chrome knot]

interesting…

[rustic mountain]

theres a lot to unpack here no shade

[lofty tartan]

Oh my goodness this team

[solid frigate]

i was actually confused why

[lofty tartan]

Yes. 100% this.

[rustic mountain]

but u need 6 mons even if u only bring 4 per game

[lofty tartan]

Like... I feel like you could benefit from some resource material on VGC - these sets leave a lot to be desired, and will certainly face issues in actual play

[rustic mountain]

secondly as other ppl mentioned, u need better items on anything not incin

clear amulet seems goated on caly ice not sure what else ppl are running

[lofty tartan]

And with Incin, since no Vest, you really have no reason to not run Parting Shot.

[stray badger]

I've been recommended Pikalytics to see some good options for everything except Tera type

[rustic mountain]

keep flutter speedy, gives ur team more versatility to operate outside trick room

which is why rounding out the team is important (having 6 mons not 4)

[lofty tartan]

Ice Rider is mixed damage with Leech Seed. Hoo boy.

[rustic mountain]

hatterene id give like life orb, flutter maybe sash booster speed w/ torkoal sun

these are jus ideas but better then wat u got rn

[rustic mountain]

i hadnt even gotten there yet haha

[mighty stump]

Grimmsnarl @ Lagging Tail
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Trick
• Parting Shot
• Foul Play
• Spirit Break

You're welcome

[rustic mountain]

idk if they still are even here

thanks tofu 🫡

[stray badger]

Why is the held item with the pokemon name and separated with an At?

[rustic mountain]

dont know what im doing with that but ty

[stray badger]

Grimmsnarl at lagging tail

[mighty stump]

c:

[rustic mountain]

thats jus the formatting

if u copy it from sd builder thats how it is

[stray badger]

It separates everything else, why is it formatted like that?

[mighty stump]

Is it really a big deal

[rustic mountain]

idk man ask the sd folks

i saw grimm/amoongus is good w/ terapagos tofu wat u think

jus seen some ppl running it

incin too ofc

[stray badger]

Also Pikalytics doesn't have any stats for Regulation G yet, obviously

[mighty stump]

Yea

I like it

[rustic mountain]

yea gna b a bit for that id imagine

[solid frigate]

just asking,does Grimmsnarl Nice on Lunala Teams?

[rustic mountain]

yea it seems strong

i mean idt itd be bad on a lunala team necessarily

[stray badger]

So I still don't know if I should add any Regulation G mons to my team

[rustic mountain]

u mean restricteds?

ur gna want 1 of those yea

[stray badger]

https://pokepast.es/64edf3b53fece143
https://pokepast.es/c841c6f126a79e46
Here are my current pastes

[rustic mountain]

for reg f?

[chrome knot]

yes

under the format tab…

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

[rustic mountain]

im reg g pilled rn

[chrome knot]

im reg f pilled bc

orlando next weekend lmao

[rustic mountain]

oh cool gl

[chrome knot]

thank

my brain is so fried ive been playing non stop

[rustic mountain]

wish i was able to go to more regionals

[solid frigate]

same

[chrome knot]

then to help an irl practice mus ive made an additional 8 teams

[rustic mountain]

im sure itll pay off

oh wrong response

[stray badger]

They're made from Reg F stats but I want to know if/what I should update for G

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[chrome knot]

yah just tryina finish szn strong and reach my goal of 250cp

[mighty stump]

I'm taking a break lol

Just to write up this blogpost

[rustic mountain]

nice hope u get there

[stray badger]

Preferably with mon that aren't shiny locked

[mighty stump]

Otherwise my mind is gonna burn out

[chrome knot]

164 currently but my locals bfl is rapidly approaching lul

[chrome knot]

taking large break after orlando

[rustic mountain]

thats solid tho

[chrome knot]

then reg g grind bc may has a quad mss in my city

[mighty stump]

I;'m currently talking to Brady about Caly-Ice

😎

[rustic mountain]

haha nice

[chrome knot]

ohh thas cool

ive been playing with sempras miraidon bundle team lmao

[rustic mountain]

ive yeeted quite a few brady spreads recently

[mighty stump]

Miradion Bundle goated

[chrome knot]

its so funny

[rustic mountain]

i had a 17 turn match against miraidon bundle the other day

[stray badger]

I am still just as clueless about what makes a VGC team good, I just want competent teams with the goobers

[rustic mountain]

sadly its time is gone

even in reg f, id say kommo-o is jus better

[chrome knot]

it is

[rustic mountain]

stab body press is pog

[chrome knot]

michael zhang made some freaky team in vancouver with it

[rustic mountain]

i saw, hes so good

always does super well w/ the weirdest shit

[chrome knot]

yeah his creativity is

[stray badger]

I know they're outclassed but like I said I just want funny goober teams

[rustic mountain]

thats fair

i mean overall the teams seem fine enough to get wins, they r jus gna more drawn out and more difficult tho if ur opting in hoodra set up

a lot more threats to it, it needs a lot to get value and even then may not give u enough

[stray badger]

I still don't know if there are any shiny Regulation G mons that I can replace one of the non Goodra with

[molten oasis]

I’m taking a break, I’m not playing reg g until there’s more centered cores and counters, etc to this format. It pisses me off and I don’t enjoy playing it rn

[chrome knot]

ily and i dont want to be an asshole but

take all the time you need bc genuinely this format hasnt even actually started yet

[molten oasis]

Ik it’s just not fun and I need it to get more centralized

And you’re not being an asshole you’re fine

I just like being ahead but that isn’t working this format

[chrome knot]

i was the same way with reg f

youll find your stride when it ACTUALLY begins

i had 0cp going into reg f now im at 164, i believe in you lots man

[rustic mountain]

yea no point in playing if ur not enjoying it

early formats usually are pretty hectic too especially w/ restricteds now

[chrome knot]

yeah im not excited for reg g myself honestly

[molten oasis]

I don’t know how to build around the caly’s

Or groudon

[chrome knot]

the most ive played of reg g just have been extremely good mus for miraidon so i just didnt care what i was clicking

[molten oasis]

Or koraidon

There is no real answer for any of them and it sucks

[rustic mountain]

pressing buttons the best kind of gameplay

[chrome knot]

honestly yeah

i was so excited for alolan raichu and then i found out skill swap doesnt work

[rustic mountain]

like actually

i tried alolan raichu briefly in swsh, it was fun i love the shiny

[stray badger]

Brown rodent

[chrome knot]

she sucks especially in such a high dmg format

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

I wish zacian worked better but it’s just too early to tell how it’s gonna fare

[chrome knot]

so many much better things for her role lmfao

[rustic mountain]

zacian is good, its jus not the same as the others in terms of snowballing

thats atleast my thoughts rn playing w/ it

[molten oasis]

No it’s like, Zac is probably a set up sweeper or a howl Mon

Unfortunately you have both caly’s that can just snowball without any real consequences

[rustic mountain]

even its counterpart would fare better

[molten oasis]

I still don’t think zama is overall better but I can’t talk I can’t play with zacian at sll

right now

[rustic mountain]

i think thats 1 way u can do it. ive had pretty good success so far w/ sub zacian balance (incin urshi rilla bolt)

pao is my enabler if anything

[molten oasis]

I’ll figure it out when the time comes

I’m just gonna go play reg f if I play anything

[rustic mountain]

[stray badger]

I plan on hunting all of them anyways, but are any of the Brilliant Diamond legendaries any good?

[rustic mountain]

groudon

kyogre should b solid tho it has more to worry about now

[pastel blade]

What type of attack would provide the most coverage paired with dark ice psychic and fighting

[rustic mountain]

idk

[dapper crag]

Dark, Fighting, Ice, Psychic

Hits for 1x

Bug, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[mighty stump]

Ground

[chrome knot]

^

[mighty stump]

Honestly didn't need to check, Ice/Ground is just premium coverage already

[mild wolf]

@mighty stump does that bot work in DMs?

[pastel blade]

What’s the next best do you guys think? They don’t learn any good ground moves but I have a ground type in the back

[mild wolf]

@chrome knot thanks

[gentle crag]

nivek567 has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[mild wolf]

Counters for Miraidon?

[strange fjord]

Rillaboom with High Horse Power?

and AV?

[autumn vault]

Is it weird i am enjoying Reg G?

It is true i play Koraidon and Zekrom, but i found myself enjoying them a lot

And i also enjoy the fact that tera fire flare blitz in sun can do a ridiculous amount of damage along with dragon dance with a 150 Attack and 90 Speed pokemon (Zekrom)

Personally i found that Miraidon is pretty manageable and calyrex, its calyrex come on ofc it will be busted af

[tough idol]

Make team, enjoy, Reg G a while off.

[autumn vault]

I play it a lot to be very prepared for it, i wont compete until much later in my life but i just want a very good team at the beggining

I am a comp/casual player, i enjoy and do what i want, but i compete for good placements

I dont play the game very seriously, i do but not very seriously as i think that isn't very healthy and pokemon is a kids game after all

[rustic mountain]

i think calling it a kids game is disingenuous when it reaches such a large demographic

[molten oasis]

k so, i think im gonna give the format another chance im just losing my mental too fast

[rustic mountain]

but yea its good to have a healthy balance but wen ur competitive and play the game for that, ur gna wanna take it serious and will be frustrated theres nothing wrong w/ that

[molten oasis]

i think zacian is best as a swt up mon

idt howl is good for it

i just dont think it works very well

so im gonna go try swords dance tomorrow

[rustic mountain]

i think u gta jus approach it different, ur weighing too much on early format

jus my thought tho

[molten oasis]

yea

[rustic mountain]

sometimes u gta jus laugh stuff off

otherwise every miss and cheese strat is jus gna tilt u

i always look to like in wins and losses, what i could have done better, if its not much then its a team issue if it is then its a me issue. i think filtering those is important so u can differentiate

its jus constant learning

[mighty stump]

Or just like

Wait for people to make a team

[rustic mountain]

that too

prolly within a weekish id say teams will pop up

once grassroots tours start happening more

[azure niche]

does anybody wanna do a union circle for bbq’s?

KMWDHQ

[rustic mountain]

#1187213102647873567

this isnt really the place for that

[azure niche]

oh gotcha thanks

[rustic mountain]

np

[autumn vault]

True, but the franchise is rated 3+/E for everyone (We can not count the mangas, brutal af), what you said is true

[last yarrow]

Hey just wondering, do you need DLC if a rental team has a DLC pokemon? I'm trying to get a rental team and keep getting error code 0007, trying to figure out if it's just a wifi issue lol

[molten oasis]

right

i just remembered i got up to top 100's with swords dance zac

[autumn vault]

I dont think so

I am not too sure however

[molten oasis]

and havent been able to do shit with howl

[rustic mountain]

damn

sd zac seems solid but idk havent tested it myself

[molten oasis]

its good

[rustic mountain]

no

[molten oasis]

like, you get around incin intimidating you

[rustic mountain]

that shouldnt be the issue

u can be traded dlc mons even w/o dlc

[molten oasis]

and then you can lead with rapid strike to threaten it

[rustic mountain]

i think having to spend the turn clicking howl is the issue and u still are leaving urself susceptible. its a lot more punishable now then in reg f

[molten oasis]

yes

every turn you howl youre not doing damage

[rustic mountain]

plus sd howl seems overkill

[molten oasis]

no i just did 3 attack

[autumn vault]

not when intimidate is everywhere (and parting shot spam, will o wisp)

[rustic mountain]

oh gotcha

[molten oasis]

all forms of it were pretty ass tho

[rustic mountain]

maybe try other stuff out then

[molten oasis]

i just think howl requires a lot of prediction to use and its just not for me

[rustic mountain]

groudon, caly ice and caly shadow are all really good

[molten oasis]

ok, im saying HOWL zacian was bad

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096141805 proof why Koraidon is very good, also i dont know much about Howl Zacian so i cant comment on it

[rustic mountain]

i have no sd and no howl and intimidate while a factor, isnt taking me out the match

[molten oasis]

this was a balance team with incin

[rustic mountain]

its all about the team and how u position, if u have good mons and position them well ur gna win most games

[autumn vault]

I am grinding to the top 500 with this team https://pokepast.es/0bdc350d47a675cd

[rustic mountain]

gl

[autumn vault]

Thanks tree

so far i have a winstreak rn

[rustic mountain]

nice

[autumn vault]

NO, not a calyrex shadow team

would be too bad if sleep powder functioned

which 75% of the time it will

[molten oasis]

i think with swords dance zac i want to start with zac incin rilla rapid strike, then run 2 things to handle sun and redirection

[rustic mountain]

4 of those are the team ive been running haha

love urshi/rilla/incin

this team is a slight variation of somethin i ran in series 10, w/ pao and bolt being different then wat the other 2 were originally obviously lmao

[autumn vault]

sleep powder'd the calyrex, good news

[rustic mountain]

u if u missed:

[autumn vault]

Atleast it wasn't too bad

it even slept all 3 turns, the 3rd one did not matter because i double protected infront of a rillaboom

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096145077-638q4uigayvem46qkhgm5rd1ji3ev2kpw here is the replay btw

seriously i was surprised when it did 63% to gyarados

[rustic mountain]

yea

[autumn vault]

Atleast i need 200 more elo for top 500

[rustic mountain]

sun boosted tera fire w/ that atk stat it makes sense

[autumn vault]

makes sense

[rustic mountain]

also u ignored caly s far too long haha

[autumn vault]

eventually i sludged bomb'd it, it mattered

to get off 2 to KO it

[rustic mountain]

like wat was ur back? if venu gets para'd there ur screwed sun gets stalled out and they jus outspeed

[autumn vault]

i had flutter and chi-yu in the back

[rustic mountain]

idk i wouldve blitzed it either that 2nd turn or the one where u blitzed rilla, like y ko rilla there

[autumn vault]

a scarfed chi yu

i think scarf chi yu would have done the job

[rustic mountain]

gotcha, in that case yea thats y i asked

[autumn vault]

I think clearing rillaboom would be very good as there would be no more FO pressure and even if it switched it would have done a ridiculous amount of damage, like the gyarados who took it

if they didn't have a defensive switch they would have died

[rustic mountain]

idt most ppl wanna switch there but yea thats fair, like i said knowing ur back now it makes sense

[autumn vault]

I use scarf Chi-Yu as a way to handle all Calyrex Shadow/Ice riders, if i didn't have it with scarf then i would go for the KO immediately

[rustic mountain]

yea its a good pin to have

[autumn vault]

And Venusaur can handle rillaboom, that was the best play but i was going to win either way

[solid frigate]

my mom called Terapagos a fucking sheep

[autumn vault]

Your mom either is trolling, cant see that well or hates it

[solid frigate]

she can't see properly since she does not have glasses

[autumn vault]

Good reason then

Glad it wasn't the other 2

[solid frigate]

but still. it has a fucking turtle Shell-

[autumn vault]

The shell is a gem, still with the gem shell it is obviously a turtle

[solid frigate]

yeah i was like how is it a sheep,ik its the GOAT but its not a sheep-

[livid vine]

Anyone got good Lunala spreads for VGC Reg G? I'm wondering how much I should invest into speed

[strange tendon]

I've currently got a core of 4 pokemon that I think works, but I very very rarely bring the other 2. In this situation do I try and change those 2 pokemon so they counter things that beat my 4 that work, or is this a sign that I have a working team? Bit stuck tbh

[autumn vault]

i would go with the 1st option

[solid frigate]

it would be Bulky more than speedy,trick room Lunala worth more that speedy

[autumn vault]

it is also a sign that the team is good, making the 2 counter the main 4's issues would be very nice and encourage them to be brought into battle much more

[livid vine]

Okay I'll make sure I have enough to still outspeed Incin and OHKO with Meteor Beam

[solid frigate]

what i recommend is Indeedee Lunala Duo

[autumn vault]

Not that needed since Lunala is naturally faster

[strange tendon]

Makes sense, thank you so much. I'm currently winning more than I'm losing online, so think that makes sense. So do I just keep a track of what I'm having trouble with beating, then make the 2 pokemon left things that beat them?

[gentle crag]

ollie4673 has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[livid vine]

I know speed EVs were used Gen 8 to outspeed Max Speed neutral Kyogre

[autumn vault]

Not a competitive expert but yeah i think so

[solid frigate]

Trick Room Lunala would be always faster than Kyogre

[autumn vault]

Lunala is used in tr

and maybe some other non-tr teams

[livid vine]

I think it was to threaten no TR and just kill with Meteor Beam into Moongeist.

[solid frigate]

so you want to use Hybrid Tailwind trickroom team??

[livid vine]

No I'm going hard TR, just saying why I was contemplating Speed EVs

[autumn vault]

It is already a thing with Blood Moon ursaluna, but yes i dont like those teams that much

[solid frigate]

same cuz its kinda hard to play around

[livid vine]

I don't like hybrid myself, I find it too hard to manage.

[solid frigate]

i'll think about that

[autumn vault]

We can call those team archetypes TailRoom

but yes i don't like how they are structured

[solid frigate]

mhm its rare but hard

[livid vine]

I don't know if there's anything worth outspeeding, since the big threats are either way faster (Calyrex-Shadow mainly) or already slower (Calyrex-Ice, slow Kyurem-W). The only thing would be how much does +1 Moongeist do to Groudon

[solid frigate]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 84 Def / 164 SpA / 60 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room

I might use this set

[livid vine]

I'd go 172 SpAtk to always OHKO traditional Incineroar. Otherwise the EVs look perfect

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

if like that i will sacrifice some speed for that

[chrome knot]

i dont get it why does she want trick room set

[last yarrow]

Hey is there a support pokemon as good as grimmsnarl that's uh...less ugly?

[solid frigate]

Incineroar,Tornadus,Whimsicott,Indeedee,Farigaraf

They all play differently but they are very good supports

tornadus is more like Hybrid Support attacker

[livid vine]

She's mostly there to set TR. Shadow Shield makes it hard to remove, especially with Tera. So smart play and you'll always get Trick Room up.
She does have decent Speed, but little investment means she'll still outspeed major threats like Urshifu, Ogerpon, Landorus, etc. while TR is up

[chrome knot]

i see

[solid frigate]

Cornerstone Ogerpon is somehow a Trick Room Mon for some reason,i kinda wanna research on why

[livid vine]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 180 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpA / 60 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Trick Room
• Protect/Wide Guard

Something like this?

[solid frigate]

yeah it looks good!

Wide guard can help for expanding Force spam

[livid vine]

Plus Calyrex, or Blizzard spam

[autumn vault]

looks solid, i never used Lunala so idk

[solid frigate]

Starstorm spam

Kyogre Spam

[last yarrow]

Huh, I know indeedee & farigaraf is used for trick room, tornadus is for tailwind/bleakwind storm & incineroar is fake out/parting shot/knock off/flare blitz usually but didn't expect whimsicott to be on there, I'ma check it out ty for the info :3

[gentle crag]

flooferdooper6 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[autumn vault]

Groudon spam

[solid frigate]

I used it but i think its alright for Lunala

[autumn vault]

Calyrex spam

[livid vine]

Everything spam.
I even considered Hitmontop for Intim, Fake Out and Wide Guard

[solid frigate]

Whimsicott is so good ;-;

I love my cotton girl

[livid vine]

Whimiscott is so cool
Prankster Fake Tears is an underrated move

[autumn vault]

I wish it got a buff, give it slightly better bulk and then it can compete with tornadus

[solid frigate]

yeah

[autumn vault]

I have fond memories of Whimsicott from White, it was pretty helpful in one of the playthroughs

[foggy lodge]

Whimsicott is good

Problem is that it's completely outclassed by Tornadus

[autumn vault]

Heck, i even used Amoonguss (without spore), it was a bit lackluster but it did help with the story

Never knew it had spore of all things

[last yarrow]

Honestly never even looked at whimsicott before but the moveset seems pretty good and it doesn't look like it crawled out of a back ally dumpster :D

[solid frigate]

wait

[autumn vault]

Prankster Encore is very good too

[foggy lodge]

Only thing that Whimsicott has that Tornadus doesn't is prankster encore and moonblast

[solid frigate]

Lunala can use Expanding Force-

[foggy lodge]

Yeah?

[autumn vault]

And also Necrozma

[foggy lodge]

I made a set with Lunala meteor beam power herb expanding

[autumn vault]

What this means is that Lunala can be used in psyspam

[solid frigate]

aight

[autumn vault]

along with DW Necrozma

[last yarrow]

friend of mine tried to make a dawn wing-indeedee trick room team and according to them it didn't work

[foggy lodge]

Nah

Dawn wing doesn't work

I don't why but is just doesn't work lol

[autumn vault]

I remember when i won a showdown tour, people were theorizing that it would be a great psyspam pokemon, i didn't believe in it and it seems i wasn't wrong

Lunala just outclasses it by a long shot

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/1417de2f8dd8e0ff

Currently i made the Lunala team,not sure the rest of the Mon

[foggy lodge]

I made this 2 days ago

https://pokepast.es/33b4a8fa66ac03a7

[solid frigate]

hmmmmm

I think Ursaluna works on the modification of my Lunala team...

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/495fecffb9a8da36 I made this team like 3 days ago and i win a ton with it

[foggy lodge]

Black glasses on Kingambit

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c0dbb51d9db9f316

I made that yesterday(Yes i posted that before but nobody really advice me

[solid frigate]

alright,does EVs need help?

[foggy lodge]

I don't think Inci sitrus could work so good now😔

Because haha Calyrex

[solid frigate]

yeah sad moment

[foggy lodge]

I think a good set now would be AV Inci

[foggy lodge]

Evs are the last thing i do in teambuilding so

Yeah i don't really know how to study evs

[mild wolf]

What's AV?

[timber falcon]

assault vest

[strange fjord]

assault vest

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/20f8ce62614d1405

Maybe this...

[autumn vault]

Why Ancient Power?

[solid frigate]

not much special Moves

Tera Blast is useless when i use Tera Dragon

[dapper crag]

Regidrago's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Ice Fang, Outrage, Reversal, Scale Shot, Self-Destruct, Take Down, Thrash, Thunder Fang, Vise Grip

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Energy, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Dragon Dance, Endure, Focus Energy, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Sleep Talk, Substitute

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Regidrago.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[solid frigate]

also i am Using Specs Drago

[next stump]

you’ll probably get more value from Dragon Pulse over ancient power

[solid frigate]

Regidrago @ Choice Specs
Ability: Dragon's Maw
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Energy
• Earth Power
• Draco Meteor
• Dragon Pulse

[autumn vault]

I swear regidrago knows flash cannon

Maybe i am wrong

[solid frigate]

if it learns that,Anicent Power would not be in here

[autumn vault]

Not sure if it haves it or not

[solid frigate]

Special Moves
Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Energy, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister

[autumn vault]

It doesn't

[solid frigate]

yeah

so currently My restricted Testing is Lunala,Kyogre and Terapagos

[autumn vault]

The restricteds i use are Zekrom, Koraidon and Zamazenta

[solid frigate]

yep all phsyical attackers

[autumn vault]

You use special attackers because you like them
I use physical attackers because i like them
We are (maybe) not the same

[solid frigate]

yep Terapagos is still my Most comforatable out of the three

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096191718

WTF is he doing-

[timber falcon]

no idea lmao, was that his first game with the team?

[solid frigate]

he has rating tho

[timber falcon]

but it looked like he did plan that HH gholdengo, what was the point?

[solid frigate]

yeah-

idk wtf he is doing with that since Good as Gold-

[timber falcon]

maybe he just had a recker, earlier i almost threw a game against lyco by using psychic on chi yu

[solid frigate]

damn

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096197843

I WON A CALYREX TEAM

[mild wolf]

Nice! ^

[timber falcon]

they underestimated terapagos, shoulda wood hammered instead of taunt

[solid frigate]

Terapagos go brrrrrr

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-autism-creature-gif-5994125894939564203

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9069b865af2bdcf2 hows this team lookin?

[solid frigate]

Interesting indeed

[timber falcon]

i havent tested it yet though

[solid frigate]

test it

test is gud

[timber falcon]

doing it rn

1st game won 3:0

[solid frigate]

Noice,

[timber falcon]

only death was lunala though lol

[solid frigate]

Basically me losing Terapagos early-

[mild wolf]

Have Shadow Shield and multiscale been useful in recent regulations? SwSh?

[timber falcon]

multiscale hasnt rly been used

in SV at least

[solid frigate]

doubles is more on Inner Focus for Dragonite

[mild wolf]

Gotchu

[timber falcon]

oop thats not a replay

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096210802

[solid frigate]

T tar? what is your Opponent Cooking

[timber falcon]

prolly just big chip to start off

also lunala struggles A LOT woth dark types i might remove psychic for smth that can hit more

[solid frigate]

Yeah

[bright ice]

What are the top 5 best pokemon for competitive doubles in scarlet and violet?

[solid frigate]

Incineroar

[timber falcon]

for reg G its yet to be decided, but for reg F its flutter, incin, ursh water , bolt, torn (usage)

[bright ice]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[solid frigate]

Embed Fail

https://youtu.be/LWCK061upoY?si=_yO7EAMSUVNd8mes

I am- kinda dissapointed

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096216396 WHAT?

i played so bad and ended with a W lol

[solid frigate]

holy crap thats-

[rustic mountain]

every ytber wen a new format drops

[solid frigate]

and that tier list looks meh

[rustic mountain]

i am not even gna look

i briefly skimmed 1 yday of a guy whose content i like and mans had a whole tier of needs testing like my brother in christ if u dont know where it is even placed why make the video

[timber falcon]

even before it dropped

[rustic mountain]

its jus clickbait

[timber falcon]

HUH

I ALMOST LOST A GAME TO PROTECT CALYREX SHADOW

CAUSE I KNOCKED OFF ITS SPECS

outrageous

[solid frigate]

lol

[timber falcon]

also Tera fairy dgleam lunala is nice, better than the highly inconsistent physchic and moongeist combo

[solid frigate]

mhm

[cyan smelt]

Kingambit stonks rising with all the tera fairies

[solid frigate]

mhm

[amber radish]

anyone know if Hex is boosted by salt cure?

[bitter heart]

I think hex only reacts to non-volatile statuses

[solid frigate]

only status conditions

[drowsy spear]

How do you make this team sheet?

[next stump]

pokemon showdown teambuilder

[drowsy spear]

Thanks. I never used that before

[bitter heart]

Use this to make it https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder then export it as text and paste it into https://pokepast.es/

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by dazedmika. Message from · Feb 20, 2024, 6:08 PM

[drowsy spear]

There’s also a way of seeing your team weaknesses too, correct?

[cyan smelt]

Geez kyurem white hits hard

[lofty tartan]

https://marriland.com/tools/team-builder/en/

You can see offensive and defensive coverage here, for a proposed team. Offensive coverage is under the advanced options

It's a really helpful resource, but I wouldn't use it as a definitive final answer in how you stage your defensive coverage.

[drowsy spear]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[stray badger]

Well now I know what to stare at every battle

If I can type the other enemy team in on time...

[crude storm]

Whats that one website for showdown. You paste in your team and it displays it?

[dapper crag]

on a sun team should i bring an additional mon with sunny day or should i just lose for positioning poorly

[dapper crag]

pokepaste

[molten oasis]

alr time to build a new zacian team

in the himmy tour, no one ran howl

incin rilla pao shifu zac was the best perfoming one

[timber falcon]

ive just lose 100+ elo at once

not in one game, but in a row

im pissed beyond belief

[lofty tartan]

Shake it off.

[molten oasis]

sounds like break time

[lofty tartan]

End of the day, ELO is just a number that gets dumped at the end of the month.

[timber falcon]

ive never hated caly-s so much

[molten oasis]

i think most of us hate it lol

itll get answers soon enough

[lofty tartan]

0- Atk Murkrow Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 204-240 (116.5 - 137.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I will never stop showing this calc

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

shut up

[lofty tartan]

Lmao

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-the-office-memes-michael-neuvifuri-gif-15410005780506284769

[bold geode]

Got em

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

[lofty tartan]

Hey man you gotta be able to laugh at yourself. It's healthy

I do it all the time because I'm a big clown

[dawn crown]

Foul play amoongus doesn’t sound so bad either

[timber falcon]

scarf chi yu is looking rly nice all of a sudden

paired with HH indeedee maybe

[lofty tartan]

You can tailwind it too

You don't need the helping hand for sure

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[lofty tartan]

52+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Snarl vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 276-328 (157.7 - 187.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

52 investment modest.

That's Snarl

[timber falcon]

oh its not just for caly shadow

its for everything that i despise

[bold geode]

My Roku likes to randomly disconnect from WiFi

I'm just tryna watch Zom 100

[timber falcon]

just read manga

manga betta

[bold geode]

Reading is hard

Although I read manga sometimes

[lofty tartan]

52+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 217-256 (124 - 146.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Lmao neutrals should not be underestimated

[molten oasis]

deserved

[stray badger]

Most important things for me to keep in mind

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-White Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow: 195-230 (111.4 - 131.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[timber falcon]

man i rly thought i was cooking in front of kyogre with wide guard, untill is pulled a fucking water tera hydro pump on me, im taking a break now

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d85ea7775f43fe8c thoughts on 6th's to help with the sun mu?

pao is jolly

[lofty tartan]

No idea who in their right mind would run Hydro Pump over Origin Pulse/Water Spout. Pulse is just objectively better than pump at 5 more usage and 5 more accuracy.

Best to not get hard on yourself for other people playing suboptimally. You planned for the optimal play - not much else you could've done in front of that 🤷

Water Spout is just a better move - unless you're threatening a Waterpon switch, and then you Pulse the thing that's less likely to switch.

Kyogre has a tough time in the meta right now with what's good.

[mild wolf]

The show has been fun

[timber falcon]

i know but this shit always happens on a losing streak

[mild wolf]

What site is this from?

[stray badger]

This one

[lofty tartan]

Be concerned with how you're playing. You played correct - they called a Wide Guard and Pumped you. You just got got - no reason to beat yourself up and tilt.

Take a break, man. Get a snack.

[timber falcon]

im just gonna play minecraft, bye guys

[stray badger]

So now I know, never leave home without H-Goodra, Cresselia and Porygon2

[lofty tartan]

Snacks are good. Food is comfort, just don't over-indulge

[stray badger]

Play a comfort game like Stardew

[lofty tartan]

If I start to tilt or lose a few I'll take a break, or do some pushups, get a snack, go for a walk - there's a lot you can do to get rid of that

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/4b268e56c437380b thoughts?

[lofty tartan]

Seems fine right now, Drago. I don't think you're especially weak to any one thing without having switches/answers. Give her a spin

[molten oasis]

ok

[bold geode]

Ain't Pulse a spread move?

[molten oasis]

yes

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[molten oasis]

ok so

were playing terapagos now

gonna put the dog away for now

[cyan smelt]

Why terapagos

[molten oasis]

it fits what i like in teams

bulky set up mon that hits hard with spread damage

[cyan smelt]

It's so bulky damn

[molten oasis]

gholdengo is my favorite vgc mon behind primarina

terapagos does similar things so

gonna go there

[amber radish]

If you use revival blessing on a fainted mon that used skill swap, does it have its original ability or the one it swapped to?

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2096367300-t7tg20iq9o86xcu8f7wm5arjwn58cyvpw man I was going to stop trying to get my team to work until this

[molten oasis]

is it not working out?

[next stump]

does anyone know when EUIC stream starts tomorrow?

[molten oasis]

[atomic mural]

for me 3 in the morning

[molten oasis]

what time is it rn

[next stump]

what time zone are you

[atomic mural]

is 10:09 pm for me rn

[next stump]

oh okay, same for me

thank you

[molten oasis]

2 in the morning for me damn

[atomic mural]

yes i cant figure out my last team member

[quiet knoll]

What are generally the best natures for Rayquaza for competitive play?

[molten oasis]

TIME TO PULL AN ALL NIGHTER

[next stump]

i’ve got work at 6:30 luckily hahaha so i’ll just watch the stream all day

[molten oasis]

adamant and jolly

[molten oasis]

nice

ok corny, what mu's suck for you rn

[atomic mural]

caly ice

[quiet knoll]

Between those two, which would you say is better? Smogon lists Jolly for theirs, but I've seen Jolly a lot too, and I've heard of mixed sets with Naive too.

[atomic mural]

thats like the only one on the top of my head

[molten oasis]

It depends

Do you want to hit harder or go faster? And also what format?

[atomic mural]

reg g

[molten oasis]

No for crusher lol

[atomic mural]

ah

[quiet knoll]

My focus is singles, but I'm curious about doubles too albeit not too much.

[molten oasis]

We don’t really do lots of singles but for double

[atomic mural]

i just want to have a wide guard user that dosent overlap with hands (i could replace hands but idk)

[molten oasis]

There literally isn’t one

[atomic mural]

yeah

[molten oasis]

So you’d have to suck up the overlap

[atomic mural]

i was trying out garg

[molten oasis]

Which, is only fsiry and psychic I believe

Um, hmm

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't toxapex get wide guard

[molten oasis]

Yea but like, why use that

On a miraidon team too that seems pretty bad

[cyan smelt]

Well what about araquanid

[atomic mural]

hitmontop seems nice ( i would replace hands if I added it)

[dapper crag]

Hitmontop's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Spinner, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Pursuit, Quick Attack, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rolling Kick, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Stone Edge, Strength, Sucker Punch, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Triple Axel, Triple Kick, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Twister, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Endure, Focus Energy, Foresight, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Mimic, Mind Reader, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sandstorm, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Toxic, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hitmontop.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Oh it gets feint

Yea, could do that

[atomic mural]

Hitmontop @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
Serious Nature

• Close Combat
• Fake Out
• Feint
• Wide Guard

[molten oasis]

That or mienshao with sash

[atomic mural]

true but i like sash on bundle

[lofty tartan]

Pretty sure Hitmontop will benefit from the Sash as well. 50hp doesn't do it any favors, and Clear Amulet is less necessary because it's not a sweeper, really.

[molten oasis]

It’s 50 hp?

[lofty tartan]

It's 50 base hp

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 237: Hitmontop

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Intimidate, Technician, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/95/95/35/110/70

Total

455

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Oh oof

I feel like mienshao with sash is better then yiu go cloak bundle

[lofty tartan]

Sash on Wide Guard users force the opponent to double up on it with single target moves, too

[molten oasis]

Or hitmon

Either work fine yiu just pick between inner focus and intimdiate

[lofty tartan]

^

[cyan smelt]

Flamigo is another wide guard option

[atomic mural]

yeah but it ingores electric terrain

due to flying type so it can be put to sleep

https://pokepast.es/434c16f568eec873 like this?

[lofty tartan]

Valiant learns wide guard and benefits from E Terrain 🤷

[molten oasis]

Valiant also SUCKS (jk idk how it does)

Doesn’t it have mixed attacker syndrome

[atomic mural]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s a hinderace

[lofty tartan]

It has 130 attack and 116 speed. You can just focus on physical.

[quiet knoll]

What are you looking for in this Wide Guard user?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1006: Iron Valiant

Types

Fairy/Fighting

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

74/130/90/120/60/116

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Oh, yea just go CA physical

[lofty tartan]

Feint and Wide Guard, no Fake Out, gets Quick Guard. Spirit Break, Close Combat

Speed Boosting Knock Off is neat

[atomic mural]

the minus special attack from sprit break seems nice as well

still dont wanna run sash

iron bundle for me seems way more important to wanna stay alive longer

[quiet knoll]

If you wanted something defensive, maybe Aegislash?

It can learn wude guard from breeding.

[atomic mural]

thats not in scarlet and violet sadly

[quiet knoll]

My mistake, sorry.

[atomic mural]

its fine

theres always stringcheese man

[quiet knoll]

What about Swampert? It's fairly tanky and can learn wide guard through breeding.

[cyan smelt]

Rilla and bundle have a field day with swampert

[dawn crown]

Hitmontop is a good wide guard user with intimidate

And fake out

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/5ae56956d7992b79

[atomic mural]

im just stumped on my final member

[molten oasis]

its normal

you'll find something

[cyan smelt]

I'm thinking of abandoning the ho oh experiment, being neutral to ice and weak to miraidon is not good

[molten oasis]

whats the team

[cyan smelt]

I'll try get a pokepaste, the EVs are a mess atm

Wtf I can't copy on mobile

[molten oasis]

you should be able to

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/1cf8cc21772c8d75

[molten oasis]

seems fine, what feels bad about it?

[cyan smelt]

I struggle against tr and games against sun teams are closer than I would like

[surreal echo]

If you want speed control, it’s probably best to leave that to a different mon. Ho-oh should probably run recover

[molten oasis]

k, anything feel like a weakpoint?

[cyan smelt]

Ho oh does

[molten oasis]

like on your team

well...

waht else besides ho-oh

[surreal echo]

Also Kingambit could probably be replaced, I think it’s honestly gonna be mid this format

Nah Ho-oh has potential it just needs the right team

[molten oasis]

its early but yea idk if gambit is beating the mid allegations this time

[cyan smelt]

Kingambit has been good against flutter and tera fairies

[molten oasis]

you still arent good into incin

[neat terrace]

Hey I’m new to this

[surreal echo]

Ho-oh is also good into flutter

[molten oasis]

not great into caly ice

even tho it should

[neat terrace]

I have a shiny hexacross I’m trying to find a 6iv ditto

[mighty stump]

Ho-Oh is just another Entei

[neat terrace]

Anyone down to trade?

[molten oasis]

sucks into groudon and koraidon

not here

[mighty stump]

I dont know if I want my restricted slot to be used like that

[molten oasis]

go to #trading_sv_ditto

[neat terrace]

I’m new to discord sorry

[molten oasis]

or just #trading_sv

[surreal echo]

Oh tofu’s here perfect

I need your guidance

[neat pasture]

What if your shiny Heracross is secretly a Ditto?

[neat terrace]

Thank you

I wish lol

[mighty stump]

What do you need?

[surreal echo]

https://pokepast.es/8a14741f7c901734 did I cook?

[neat terrace]

A 6iv ditto

[surreal echo]

been using this team and it's been pretty good

[molten oasis]

whats fari for?

[surreal echo]

speed control and caly-s check

[molten oasis]

how?

it does nothing to it

[surreal echo]

set up TR and allow my slower mons to do the work

[mighty stump]

No cap I don't think you even need Rock Slide on Groudon anymore

[molten oasis]

so its helping not a check lol

[mighty stump]

Looks good to me

[surreal echo]

yeah but i mean astral barrage immunity is pretty nutty

[mighty stump]

I do think Raging Bolt wants SpDef investment though

[surreal echo]

perfect

[molten oasis]

yes true but what do yo do back to it

dazzling gleam hits like glitter

[mighty stump]

And I thinkk maybe Helping Hand on Farig if you wanna steroid induce on Flutter

[surreal echo]

yeah lol i just ripped the set, if I feel the team is worth running I will go more in depth with the sets

[molten oasis]

i got a set you could use

[surreal echo]

set up TR and allow Groudon, bolt, or incin to kill it

[molten oasis]

no the, ok

im saying damage wise

[surreal echo]

nothing but that's fine

[molten oasis]

you said counter

or ig check

[surreal echo]

as long as TR is up caly-s becomes much less of a threat

[molten oasis]

fair

didn't think it was bad btw just wanted to understand the reasoning

[surreal echo]

i've used sunroom in the past so this is right up my alley

yeah np

[cyan smelt]

Where's the next rinya sun

[molten oasis]

ig bolt can also utilize tr, kinda

[surreal echo]

i mean with the amount of restricteds coming in that crack base 90 yeah

[molten oasis]

oh yea uh, here

[surreal echo]

"Froggy" sun

[molten oasis]

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 92 Def / 124 SpA / 100 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl

you live pao

flutter, lando i

[surreal echo]

hmmm interesting

i will try this out thanks

[molten oasis]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 116 HP / 92 Def Raging Bolt through Aurora Veil: 124-145 (57.6 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this apparently lol

wait fuck theres veil

[mighty stump]

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 100 HP / 76 Def / 76 SpA / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Snarl
• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor

Mind is like

It;s like Iron Hands

lol

Caly-S just wipes Sun off the face of the Earth

[molten oasis]

Raging Bolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 108 Def / 108 SpA / 100 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl
  actually

now you live precipice

[surreal echo]

nice

[surreal echo]

it wipes everything on the face of the earth

[molten oasis]

tofu's set is also good

id just use that honestly lol

[surreal echo]

that's why farigaraf, incin, urshi-dark, or jugulis is going to be a must on a lot of teams

[molten oasis]

mostly incin

[surreal echo]

alr

[molten oasis]

its tofu, cant doubt tofu spreads

if that doesnt work mine is on the table

[surreal echo]

btw tofu what do you think of iron jugulis next to miraidon

[surreal echo]

yeah i screenshotted both

[mighty stump]

Good

[surreal echo]

perfect

im tempted to run it alongside bundle as well, but i feel like bundle's role on the team will be a little bit repetitive

unless i forgo icy wind for like

taunt

[dapper crag]

Iron Bundle's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Avalanche, Body Slam, Drill Peck, Facade, Fling, Flip Turn, Giga Impact, Ice Punch, Ice Spinner, Play Rough, Present, Take Down, Thief, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Blizzard, Chilling Water, Freeze-Dry, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Powder Snow, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Agility, Aurora Veil, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Bundle.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

oh it gets taunt, didnt know that

[surreal echo]

also gets chilling water which might be kinda good

[molten oasis]

for what

everything is clear amulet

[surreal echo]

true

[bold geode]

Aight guys
I posted my last Reg F rental for y'all
Have fun

[surreal echo]

maybe electric terrain could be funny