competitive_discussion

[autumn vault]

Clear Amulet is the best item on groudon

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095147209-17ofv8408p9n1sr7yl3h17giboqk4wfpw

I played so well here-

[autumn vault]

WTF is up with that weezing!? As a weezing pro myself dont use explosion weezing

[solid frigate]

Bro commit Sepuuku for nothing

[autumn vault]

It's whole gimmick is to stay on the field and neuter every ability in existence, that guy was doing the opposite of it's purpouse in the meta

[solid frigate]

YYeah and Raging Bolt tanked it like a chad

[autumn vault]

True

[molten oasis]

It’s fine

I don’t like this team lol

Gholdengo doesn’t work on this team

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095075623 A sun team i faced a few hours ago with my koraidon sun team

[molten oasis]

This team just wants to do immediate damage and dengo wants to set up

I’m not playing this shit

[autumn vault]

Looks like either ghold is unviable, or you are using it wrong in the meta

[solid frigate]

also even if Calyrex is here,Incineroar can't switch in to replenish the fake out

to destroy Terapagos

[autumn vault]

true

[autumn vault]

I think maybe set up gholdengo is officially bad and you might need to change it's set

Just saying

[molten oasis]

It’s not

Gholdengo has solid mu’s

Scarf does not do damage

And specs just makes it too slow

So I still think the set up route works

[autumn vault]

ok

[molten oasis]

It is the team having poor synergy with it

I said on this team not in general

[autumn vault]

Well i am the same guy that made Houndstone of all things work so i believe ghold can work

[molten oasis]

In reg f

[autumn vault]

Yes reg F

[molten oasis]

Not reg g

[autumn vault]

Reg G i have a lot of doubts

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna go back to what I was doing a while ago

[autumn vault]

well i will go post a rental so i can't assist you that much

[solid frigate]

it just feels weird,not liek the same as the old restricted ones

[autumn vault]

But i can help, just not for a while

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/4d0cc4239818a01d

[mighty stump]

IF sash maybe just go Darkshifu

[solid frigate]

ok the Miraidon Nickname only make me think of one thing

https://tenor.com/view/shocker-spider-man-look-up-shocked-surprised-gif-16027183

[molten oasis]

k

Just didn’t want 3 dark types

[polar canyon]

I made the gen alpha brainrot comment on a kyurem team yesterday but I genuinely wanna try it

[solid frigate]

wat-

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/f550c87b21768a28

Could something like this work

.

No one gave me advice they just hated what I said

[solid frigate]

i seen this team before-

[polar canyon]

Makes sense

[solid frigate]

well not really,just the modified version of it

[polar canyon]

I didn't take it from anywhere but like makes sense that youve seen it

[autumn vault]

I never used a snow kyurem-W team so i wouldn't give great advice

[autumn vault]

Annihilape doesn't fit in a team like this

[polar canyon]

I just wanted a screen abuser

[autumn vault]

It is still an odd choice

[polar canyon]

So I picked one that maybe can deal a bit with terapagos?

Fighting ghost

[autumn vault]

urshifu deals with terapagos pretty well

[solid frigate]

[autumn vault]

and it abuses screens pretty well

[solid frigate]

any pokemon that has the combination of Fake out Close Combat

[polar canyon]

Never seen screens urshifu

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095166945 see guys

Gholdengo can work

[mighty stump]

Mienshao, HItmontop

[autumn vault]

Hands is the best according to this along with ^

[polar canyon]

I thought hands but changed my mind

But like yeah hands sounds correct

[solid frigate]

my terapagos got killed by incin fake out and Gallade close combat and still won

[polar canyon]

Who's using gallade close combat

[solid frigate]

IDFK

[polar canyon]

Someone doesn't know sacred sword has more bp on it with no drawback

[solid frigate]

idk man idk-

[mighty stump]

Howd you get FO'd lmao

Click Protect

[polar canyon]

Waiting for someone to bring shed tail into tera shell terapagos to a regional

[molten oasis]

Ugh

I’m going back to Zac, there’s too much sun

after I test the kyogre team they all start spawning in

[polar canyon]

What item on incin if not sitrus?

And if I'm not worried about spore

[mighty stump]

Assault Vest/Covert Cloak/Pinch Berry also fine

[solid frigate]

i fucking forgot i have that move

But Ogerpon took revenge

[polar canyon]

Sounds good thanks

Hi @molten oasis

Do you have any atales set with freeze dry

Atales lover

[stray badger]

Maybe I'll finally let myself use Ogerpon in Regulation Z

[polar canyon]

What's so bad about ogerpon?

[molten oasis]

And my rng is ass

[molten oasis]

Ruby (Ninetales-Alola) (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Blizzard
• Moonblast
• Aurora Veil
• Protect

Replace Blizzard for freeze dry

Gonna go back to playing in low elo

And getting burned by every scald on the planet

[chrome knot]

@next stump do you know anyone with the jpn balance paste? wanting to practice on it so i can understand how it works/what goals are in games

so im better prepped against it

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095187522 Gen 9 legendary dragon showdown

[mighty stump]

Its just setting up Raging Bolt while preventing oppoisng Raging Bolt from setting up

Post set up you punish with boosted moves per switch so they dont get footing back in the game

Chien-Pao/Lando-I just provide additional incentives against the mirrors

[chrome knot]

japan balance doesnt have bolt darling

[mighty stump]

???

Yes it does?

[chrome knot]

dozo tinglu one!!

[mighty stump]

That's not Japan Balance 😭

[chrome knot]

!!!!!!!

ITS LEGIT CALLED JPN BALANCE EVERYWHERE ELSE

[mighty stump]

I HAHVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE CALL IT THAT AT ALL

[chrome knot]

MY BALLZ

[mighty stump]

THAT'S JUST DOZO TING

[chrome knot]

nooooooo

[mighty stump]

I know what the team is

[chrome knot]

im aware!!

[mighty stump]

I ran Dozo-Ting in Reg C

japan balance is chien/lando/raging bolt/

UrshiBoomIncin

But with Steel Urshifu

[chrome knot]

calm mind cycle!

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/963057f68bb98299 Brady Smith literlaly calls it JPN Balance 😭

[chrome knot]

theres a new jpn balance in town

[mighty stump]

Dozo Ting just intends to trap you with Yawn/Sand Tomb forcing you to lose resources

[chrome knot]

and norah did it way before!!

[mighty stump]

No there isn't

[chrome knot]

trans balance

[molten oasis]

[chrome knot]

LMAO

[mighty stump]

But that's just Dozo-Ting it's not Jpaan Balance whos Norah

[molten oasis]

I can’t win any games man, no matter what I use

[chrome knot]

Norah Bowman

[autumn vault]

Meanwhile i ran into 2 sun teams in a row and then encountered a hard future paradox team, low ladder sure is funky

[molten oasis]

Apparently twra fairy DRAINING KISS ohkos A ZACIAN

(I was Tera dragon)

[autumn vault]

i won against one of the sun teams and beat the miraidon team

[autumn vault]

Still bonkers

what did use draining kiss?

[molten oasis]

Clay is so fun to fight man, I love thah it’s capable of ohkoing my entire team with 2 buttons and I can’t do anything about it even with snarl incin cuz it’s not like it can’t just helping hand out of nh snarl chip

And then Yk every single game I have my opponent gets every single crit that matters meanwhile I get burned by every scald and and don’t get any crits that matter

[autumn vault]

What is Clay? Only clay on my mind is clay from Unova

[molten oasis]

Guy crits ny bolt with expanding force which I would have won if I didn’t get crit

[autumn vault]

you are unlucky man

[molten oasis]

I’m tweaking, why is my rng so bad

Why, I can’t even win any games in winnin positions cuz oh, I got crit

[autumn vault]

Tragic

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

You hate Reg G i can tell

[molten oasis]

No I hate my rng and the fact that I feel incapable of cooking anything

But I don’t want to play reg f cuz I have no reason to and I want to keep on top of the meta so I HAVE to try and play

For reg g

And the only thing I really hate out of this reg is how unbelievably stupidly broken caly is

Sure there’s counterplay but like, it still hits so fucking hard at -1 I don’t even feel like it matters

The legendary I wanted ti use feels mid

Ugh, I dont, what did I do to turn on hard mode for myself

[autumn vault]

I mean 165 SpA is busted af even for a legend

[molten oasis]

Why can’t I pilot anything

Even when I’m not tilting

[autumn vault]

I would experiment with Fissure Ting-Lu so that way i can get some lucky moments (probably never but i will try) and one shot Calyrex Shadow's partner using Follow Me

[molten oasis]

Hell no

I would never hit it

[autumn vault]

With my luck with Bleakwind i probably will miss all of the fissures

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/33b4a8fa66ac03a7

Opinions?

[molten oasis]

Looks good

[polar canyon]

Does caly ice not run max hp?

156+ SpA Turboblaze Tera Fire Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 174-206 (84 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO I just got a ko with this

[molten oasis]

Idk

[autumn vault]

I do not know

[molten oasis]

I’m starting to lean into terapagos

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/d57e2a957892c60e How is this team? I need opinions and it is a Koraidon team

[willow vault]

In all fairness formats very new so some sets are likely inoptimal

[molten oasis]

Wouldn’t you want life orb anywhere else and not lando@i

[willow vault]

Terapagos is really cool, it’s been the difficult to adapt to. It makes me play so differently to win

[molten oasis]

Like, chi yu or somethjng

[autumn vault]

Sheer Force Life Orb synergy

[molten oasis]

No

[autumn vault]

Did you actually forget it?

[molten oasis]

You have both wake and venu

Who both want life orb

[autumn vault]

In a way they are both fine

[molten oasis]

I’m saying drop lando for chi Yu and give one of them life orb

[autumn vault]

I originally used gouging but i felt like it wasn't that good, i swapped it for lando-i and it is doing great

Not too sure about Chi-Yu

[molten oasis]

Chi yu enables chi Yu and wake and flutter

[autumn vault]

fair

[molten oasis]

Yiu also don’t have a fire type on the team

I feel that would help

[autumn vault]

I think scarf is best here, gives it needed speed and with fire attacks its perfectly fine with damage output

[molten oasis]

Yea

[willow vault]

Not sure about gouging with koraidon but it works really well next to Groudon

[molten oasis]

Then give wake LORB and venu like, cloak

[autumn vault]

Tornadus already has Cloak

And for chi-yu i am planning to give it heat wave dark pulse snarl and psychic, is that good?

[molten oasis]

No

Overheat

[autumn vault]

Do i need flamethrower

Funny thing here: 3 out of 4 moves have imperfect accuracy with overheat

[molten oasis]

Oh give venu sash since wake will have life orb

[molten oasis]

Ok, run overheat not psychic

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095230104

get fucked

[molten oasis]

They’re all 90% it’s not like bleakwind

[charred saddle]

bro is people running koraidon with scarf and uturn

[mighty stump]

Based

[molten oasis]

Lol

[autumn vault]

Use amulet instead, it is better

[willow vault]

To escape flutter probably

[autumn vault]

you do have a point

But with the attack buff and max speed scarf you can already OHKO it with flare blitz, you only will lose it to a fairy move when you lose the speed tie

[willow vault]

Oh actually interesting

[autumn vault]

If it doesn't buff speed, feel free to murder it

[autumn vault]

That turn 5 was so stupid

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/f6fcc19bcf82c967 Now does this look solid?

[willow vault]

That’s very useful, fortunately when I use flutter I’m using sash. Still useful to know though

[molten oasis]

Yea, looks solid

[autumn vault]

Its now testing time

And i am still questioning why sash is never used on wake

NO, i found a Calyrex shadow psyspam team

well, guess i will hit them with the tailwind chi-yu

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095242397 i won against the calyrex shadow team

[bold geode]

I thought they censored profanities for names wtf

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095243519 I didn’t even need to Tera this game

[autumn vault]

I submitted the report so dont worry

I did not know they censored profanities MonkeVGC Greg

[mighty stump]

top 50 with bullshit

Lmaoooo

shitty GXE though but that's because we use this for testing literally everything

[polar canyon]

Is it named chien plowed because chien pao is made of snow or is it an adult joke

[dull haven]

[mighty stump]

cuz plow and pao follows the same sound

[polar canyon]

I like how annoying incineroar is for like almost every team

And is on every team

Incin is required

[chrome knot]

yeah so anyways i think trans balance is gonna win orlando @mighty stump

[polar canyon]

Mad respect for the trans people playing balance

[feral wraith]

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/92e9c73f1ee86097 thoughts?

[autumn vault]

252+ SpA with choice specs is way too overkill imo

[pearl wind]

you could go for AV Incineroar because you already have e-terrain for spore if you dont mind swapping parting shot for u-turn ofc

[craggy dagger]

eh?

[autumn vault]

Look at the above message, i think it (mostly) explains it

[autumn vault]

Goggles is not that needed because of E-Terrain stopping pokemon from going to sleep

[molten oasis]

That was very very temporary

[autumn vault]

And the other suggestion(s)?

I would not make the switch to AV incin ngl but if you want go for it

[molten oasis]

I’m going av incin

[craggy dagger]

why not-?
av allows more survivability

[autumn vault]

Disables parting shot from being used

And a recovery item is pretty valuable

[next stump]

hey does anyone know why I’ve been hit with 6 hypnosis’s in a row from Gothitelle across 2 games? Is there some kind of item I’m missing

[craggy dagger]

good thing incin gets u turn

[pearl wind]

i used AV Incin in reg F to allow for a more offensive set and it was really fun, wouldnt run that much attack investment in reg G tho

[autumn vault]

I did try AV incin but idk

[craggy dagger]

wide lens?
zoom lens-
idk-

[autumn vault]

Because you are unlucky, but seriously though they might have wide lens which buffs accuracy by 9%

[craggy dagger]

oh dam that much?

[autumn vault]

And gravity buffs accuracy by 66%, that is IF in those matches the opponent set it up which is very unlikely

[dapper crag]

Item: Zoom Lens

The accuracy of attacks by the holder is 1.2x if it moves after its target.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[molten oasis]

Odd

[craggy dagger]

might be why

[autumn vault]

Goth is slow so i wouldn't use that

[craggy dagger]

cause goth likes to be slow iirc

[autumn vault]

In trick room it can make sense

[craggy dagger]

huh-
you get accuracy if you move after target

and goth is usually slow right?

[autumn vault]

Oh right

I thought it was Before the opponent moved

[craggy dagger]

tera raid knowledge

[autumn vault]

Maybe it was Zoom lens that was the reason

[craggy dagger]

it’s a 20% boost iirc

[autumn vault]

Zoom Lens

[autumn vault]

So it is 80% accuracy

Misses as much as bleakwind

[craggy dagger]

yeah

that’d make sense

[pearl wind]

more like focus blast if its zoom lens

[autumn vault]

Focus Miss -> Focus Blast

Seems about right

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3c4528be23d0477a next experiment

Why do I find a snow kyurem team and get fucking cheesed by freezes

But when I use it I miss all my dracos

[polar canyon]

Does mold breaker ignore tera shell?

And other restricted legendary versions of renamed mold breaker

Snow kyurem is fun

[atomic mural]

dont know actually

[polar canyon]

There's so much other weather

[timber falcon]

i mean why wouldnt moldbreaker work

[polar canyon]

Because it's a special ability idk

[timber falcon]

wait wait they do

solgaleos one does at least

[atomic mural]

wanna test?

[timber falcon]

i tested this yesterday

[atomic mural]

I think its just their signature move

[timber falcon]

maybe

[dapper crag]

Ability: Mold Breaker

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

I mean if the move works I'd assume mold breaker works

There it is

[timber falcon]

tera shell is there

[dapper crag]

Ability: Turboblaze

This Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore certain Abilities of other Pokemon. The Abilities that can be negated are Armor Tail, Aroma Veil, Aura Break, Battle Armor, Big Pecks, Bulletproof, Clear Body, Contrary, Damp, Dazzling, Disguise, Dry Skin, Earth Eater, Filter, Flash Fire, Flower Gift, Flower Veil, Fluffy, Friend Guard, Fur Coat, Good as Gold, Grass Pelt, Guard Dog, Heatproof, Heavy Metal, Hyper Cutter, Ice Face, Ice Scales, Illuminate, Immunity, Inner Focus, Insomnia, Keen Eye, Leaf Guard, Levitate, Light Metal, Lightning Rod, Limber, Magic Bounce, Magma Armor, Marvel Scale, Mind's Eye, Mirror Armor, Motor Drive, Multiscale, Oblivious, Overcoat, Own Tempo, Pastel Veil, Punk Rock, Purifying Salt, Queenly Majesty, Sand Veil, Sap Sipper, Shell Armor, Shield Dust, Simple, Snow Cloak, Solid Rock, Soundproof, Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, Sturdy, Suction Cups, Sweet Veil, Tangled Feet, Telepathy, Tera Shell, Thermal Exchange, Thick Fat, Unaware, Vital Spirit, Volt Absorb, Water Absorb, Water Bubble, Water Veil, Well-Baked Body, White Smoke, Wind Rider, Wonder Guard, and Wonder Skin. This affects every other Pokemon on the field, whether or not it is a target of this Pokemon's move, and whether or not their Ability is beneficial to this Pokemon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

and there

[polar canyon]

Just making sure it's not different for no reason

I wonder what the name mold breaker means

What does it mean to break the mold

Why does it mean you can ignore abilities

[mighty stump]

To break the mold in english is like

How tf do I explain this

Do something different?

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

So its just an abnormality

[polar canyon]

Like it's mold as in the shell you put liquid in that hardens

[mighty stump]

Not within the status quo

Outside of the box

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[mighty stump]

So where everyone folows abilities

Mold breakers dont

ig

[polar canyon]

That sounds right

It's fitting for the mons with mold breaker

I just thought it meant the pokemon is strong enough to break their mold

[timber falcon]

what kind of speed does a rayquaza want?

im going for swords dance set but its suprisingly slow

[craggy dagger]

base 95 right?

[timber falcon]

Yeah it’s embarrassing for rayquaza

[craggy dagger]

it’s an extreme speed mon

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Air Lock

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/150/90/150/90/95

Total

680

Other Formes

Rayquaza-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

150 attack and having swords dance is pretty huge

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 149: Dragonite

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Inner Focus, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/134/95/100/100/80

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

It's the new dragonite

[timber falcon]

Zacian-

[polar canyon]

Does zacian have extreme speed tho

[timber falcon]

Nah cause dragonite doesn’t need amulet and ghost tera to stop incin

[patent marsh]

the problem with rayquaza is they gave it the same spAtk even though it's more of a physical attacker

[polar canyon]

Dragonite needs tera to have flying stab

[craggy dagger]

no but it has a better typing

[craggy dagger]

mega rayquaza though…

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza-Mega

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Delta Stream

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/180/100/180/100/115

Total

780

Base Species

Rayquaza

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[polar canyon]

Ray has flying type close combat

[molten oasis]

Why does every a9 have helping hand

[timber falcon]

Prolly to boost team mates blizzard

[polar canyon]

170 spatk blizzard + helping hand funny

[timber falcon]

Just like for lance

[autumn vault]

to make Kyurem-W nuke stuff

[molten oasis]

Ok

[polar canyon]

If lore logic applied to the rules necrozma and kyurem forms wouldn't be allowed in 1 restricted formats

Because it's 2 legendaries in 1 slot

[timber falcon]

True but this is game lore no?

Where it just becomes either kyurem or necrozma for some reason

[polar canyon]

Calyrex would be fine

[bold geode]

Tyo ran it on his snow team in Utrecht too lmao

[autumn vault]

No, it wouldn't

[polar canyon]

It's just that kyurem and necrozma are in control

[polar canyon]

Glastrier and spectrier aren't restricted

You could use them

[autumn vault]

still a fusion but good point

[patent marsh]

technically kyurem and the other 2 used to be one dragon so

[polar canyon]

Kyurem fused is still only 2/3 of a pokemon

You should be allowed to use all 3 and it count as one

[bold geode]

Wait Kyurem looks like a shell
Is Kyurem a Shedinja?

[timber falcon]

Speaking of lore, where tf did the bolt and gouging fire + wake come from?

[autumn vault]

fossils

[timber falcon]

But the dogs had to be revived by Ho oh in the tower

[autumn vault]

Or maybe Ho-Oh resurrected many in the past

[timber falcon]

Yeah maybe so, still seems like an ass pull to me

[patent marsh]

they're paradoxes

[autumn vault]

One of their pokedex entries iirc has said that one of them come from a fossil

[bold geode]

There's people I think who said they were what the original 3 of Raikou Entei and Suicune looked like before Ho Oh revived em

🤷‍♂️

[molten oasis]

I can currently say

[timber falcon]

I mean how did raging bolt fit in a house/tower though

[molten oasis]

Mienshao is kinda funny

[polar canyon]

The "time machine" ig

[timber falcon]

This makes sense actually

[patent marsh]

it didn't it's a paradox mon for a reason

[molten oasis]

Wide guard stopping things from doing its job it’s awesome

[timber falcon]

Forgot about the Time Machine

[bold geode]

Who knows how tall the Burnt Tower was

[polar canyon]

They're paradox

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/618ec7df49d829d9 I like this team so far

[polar canyon]

Chances are none of them actually came from the past and future

Just what the professor thinks they looked like

[molten oasis]

Literally only lost to low elo bs and snow so far

I keep bringing the wrong shit lol

[polar canyon]

Hey that means snow works

[bold geode]

Either that or like a multiverse thing like DBZ

[molten oasis]

I lost to the bolt on the team not even really the snow aspect

[timber falcon]

I mean there are 2 worlds in Pokemon lore already right?

[molten oasis]

Because I let dengo take a +1 hh boosted tclap

Which was dumb

If it wasn’t HH I was fine lol

[polar canyon]

I mean multiverse is confirmed but I don't think it's that

[polar canyon]

The multiverse was confirmed in usum post game

The villain is literally successful giovanni

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah anyways what kind of speed ev does rayquaza run?

[molten oasis]

Idk man

[timber falcon]

Might just abandon any speed then

[polar canyon]

I think you want speed for mirrors

And dragon ascent

[timber falcon]

I just put the random 44

Rayquaza @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Air Lock
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 156 HP / 92 Atk / 76 Def / 76 SpD / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dragon Ascent
• Extreme Speed
• Protect
• Swords Dance well i ended up with this

[polar canyon]

Looks right

That's an attack bump stat right

[timber falcon]

idk what attack bump means

[polar canyon]

When you increase evs slowly with the slider on the + nature stat you might notice that sometimes it skips a number

Goes straight from like 180 to 182

182 is the bump

[timber falcon]

oh yeah it does do that for its attck stat

[polar canyon]

It just helps you get 1 point more in the stat for low investment

Real minmaxing tryhard stuff

It's fun

[timber falcon]

ok so as usual incin has been added to the team

should i run oger or moongus here?

[polar canyon]

Not enough people talk about usum and the confirmed pokemon multiverse

And how there's a mega stone timeline and a megaless timeline

[timber falcon]

i thought everyone knows that

its game freaks excuse for no megas

[polar canyon]

It is but it's interesting

At least their excuse is cool

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095317890-idfonx0vvi8hqqm0uehrbcgl13jpsf3pw see guys, gholdengo is good

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/d221b8763184965c ok so this is the team idea

[molten oasis]

What’s the reasoning for milotic

[timber falcon]

icy wind mainly and glastrier threaten with scald

along with competetive to be threatning i like the loom of it

[timber falcon]

how bulky is that mirai?

[molten oasis]

Ig that’s fair

[molten oasis]

204/100/4

Lives precipice blades

[timber falcon]

i didnt expect it to live the expanding force tbh

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095320903 also let’s go, we broke 1200’s with this

Gholdengoat

[timber falcon]

literally carrying

dark tera is nice

yk i might have to steal the idea of dengo for my team

[molten oasis]

So like, the only bad thing about this twra is you become weak to fighting moves which kinda sucks

And like, this is bo1 I’d need to run this in bo3 to see if it actually works

And I’m also just exploring the restricteds rn

Played terapagos for a while, I really like it. Miraidon is really fun, zacian is really fun too.

So probably picking out of those 3 if I go to NAIC

I’m not bringing caly

That thing can die in a hole

[timber falcon]

the insurance company? or am i missing something

[molten oasis]

North America international championships

[timber falcon]

oh ok

https://pokepast.es/d221b8763184965c final design (i hope)

[molten oasis]

Why do you also have eleki

Raging bolt looks way better in that spot

[timber falcon]

webs and umm, yeah webs

[molten oasis]

And chien pao looks so good on this team (supports ray)

[timber falcon]

i think i might swap leki for bolt, but idk about pao#

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[autumn vault]

No evs on half of the members, also chien pao can make rayquaza hit like a truck

[timber falcon]

i know but im satisfied with dance+ im bad with pao

[autumn vault]

Then get good with pao

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[autumn vault]

Then get good with rayquaza

[timber falcon]

i will

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095330728 ez game 1

[autumn vault]

That tinkaton was pathetic

[timber falcon]

i just realised he didnt even have any restricted mons too

you gotta be kidding me

[autumn vault]

Git gud at that MU

I also hate it

[timber falcon]

i didnt even know this mu existed

[autumn vault]

Didn't you experiment with ice rider calyrex?

[timber falcon]

not instruct

[polar canyon]

I want to use 2 items so bad

[autumn vault]

Oh right, oranguru is cringe to have on a team

[polar canyon]

Loaded dice clear amulet kyurem black

Why

[timber falcon]

i lost in like 3 moves

[autumn vault]

Also smeargle is cringe

[molten oasis]

Id rather die than fight that lol

[polar canyon]

That's true

Smeargle isn't even good

[molten oasis]

Instruct glacial lance yippee

[autumn vault]

At one hand i feel sorry and terrible
At the other i would laugh at you

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

But Yk what I got to beat that

https://tenor.com/view/dance-cat-gif-9812546

WIDE GUARD BAYBEE

[polar canyon]

I don't think I like that gif

[molten oasis]

(Also gholdengo)

[timber falcon]

my dumbass didnt even think to fake out

[autumn vault]

Why we use Wide Guard

[molten oasis]

The other one was just meh

I think it’s cute

[autumn vault]

The Wide Guard?

I think that GIF is cringe

[molten oasis]

Nice astral barrage idiot

[polar canyon]

People doubted me when I said wide guard mienshao (it was reg d and it didn't counter anything)

[molten oasis]

Now eat all these coins

https://tenor.com/view/my-beloved-heart-locket-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gholdengo-gif-27416880

[autumn vault]

Nice Water Spout idiot

Now eat this T-Clap

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo will beat the mid allegations trust

(Literally keeps doing it every reg it’s legal in)

[autumn vault]

10 year olds of OU would like to have a word with you

[timber falcon]

taunt pao has been immediately added to the team

[molten oasis]

Why taunt

[autumn vault]

Yeah why?

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[autumn vault]

That will hardly ever show up sir

Bro

[molten oasis]

If you see that again sure but I doubt it

[timber falcon]

tr is everywhere

[molten oasis]

Ok, kill the setter

Or play through it

[timber falcon]

harder said that done

thats wrong-

[molten oasis]

If there’s a Fari, kill it so you can spam espeed

[timber falcon]

easier said than done

[molten oasis]

Dude it’s, bruh

[timber falcon]

i was just correcting myself

[molten oasis]

It’s tips to help you

OH got it

[autumn vault]

Now what?

[molten oasis]

Wdym now what

[autumn vault]

Idk what OH means

[molten oasis]

It’s just oh

It’s not a abbreviation

[autumn vault]

oh, right

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

[molten oasis]

Before I do this essay anyone want to bo3?

[timber falcon]

guess who

[molten oasis]

K

[autumn vault]

you beat me to it OTOT

i was about to accept

[molten oasis]

I’ll fight you after

[autumn vault]

sure, but it will take like several minutes, it is dinner related reasons

[molten oasis]

Cool, no worries

@timber falcon sent

[autumn vault]

I am facing another sun team with groudon while using koraidon

[timber falcon]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2095343043 if anyone wants to watch

[livid vine]

Trying to find good team members with Kyurem-W, mainly a Tailwind user. Idk if Torn is great with Snow but the other options aren't as appealing (Latias would be my go to but Calyrex eats it for lunch)

[timber falcon]

dengo cant be killed wtf

[molten oasis]

ggs

[timber falcon]

ggs

[molten oasis]

redirection really helps dengo do its thing

[timber falcon]

yeah i forgot u had oger

[livid vine]

Just curious why Tera Dark Gholdy?

[timber falcon]

i shouddve brought rilla

[molten oasis]

caly

[livid vine]

True

[molten oasis]

its mostly a if i get into bad position kind of tera

[livid vine]

I keep forgetting Calyrex is legal for like 10 seconds every day

[molten oasis]

lol

normally i go fairy but im testing things rn

[livid vine]

I just right now need a team before I go into testing phase

[molten oasis]

my whole logic with dengo also, is that you should usually beat caly ice fari things

[timber falcon]

im actually so mad at myself

[molten oasis]

wellspring helps if they have bloodmoon

[timber falcon]

for BOTH games i forgot that u had more mons than dengo and mienshao

[molten oasis]

oops lol

[polar canyon]

Hey drago

When you see snow teams what do you usually see in them?

[molten oasis]

?

[polar canyon]

Like what mons

[molten oasis]

oh

[livid vine]

I would also like to know this

[molten oasis]

snow tends to have harc a9 kyurem/caly ice raging bolt wellspring and then the 6th is usually a toss up

ive seen lando, ive seen incin, ive seen rilla

[livid vine]

What about Hitmontop over Arca? I'm feeling like Wide Guard is pretty invaluable this format

[polar canyon]

That's cool

[molten oasis]

that can work but you miss out on your main answer to steel types (gholdengo)

[polar canyon]

Im trying to do kyurem

[livid vine]

Same, 170 offensive stat is bonkers

[polar canyon]

It's awkward with a9 with other weathers so I'm thinking of also using torn with snowscape

It's very brain off to just click blizzard and see big damage

[livid vine]

Fusion Flare Kyurem feels like a decent answer so I'm not too worried

[polar canyon]

Tera fire fusion flare is really funny when they use sun teams

• steel and fairy resist

[molten oasis]

84+ SpA Turboblaze Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 204 HP / 36 SpD Gholdengo: 144-170 (76.5 - 90.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO we eat those

[mighty stump]

Why is it clicking snarl wtf

[molten oasis]

what?

[polar canyon]

It's a zoroark

[mighty stump]

Its not

[molten oasis]

the bloodmoon is clicking snarl?

[mighty stump]

Its Tera Grass Snarl

Im dead

[molten oasis]

wack lmao

[mighty stump]

This is the most wack shit

It didnt even help them

Lmaoo

[molten oasis]

i found a clear amu shifu yesterday

that was so weird

[polar canyon]

It was meant to be a joke

[molten oasis]

i lost to it cuz my whole plan was to live cc and win

[timber falcon]

high elo shenanigans?

[molten oasis]

but then it had ca and i lost lol

[polar canyon]

Don't wanna get an attack drop on that surging strikes, what if the opponent has shell armor

[molten oasis]

wtf is running shell armor besides hoodra lol

[polar canyon]

Hoodra

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

anyway @autumn vault lmk when you ready

[polar canyon]

Making up bad excuses for nonsense is my sense of humor

Justifying nonsense

[mighty stump]

not even, im still testing random bullshit on the same account so we fluctuate

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095351989-ax258t3ans16vvjuy6gj03ysidw1v5opw they're so mad

[dapper crag]

Move: Future Sight

Deals damage two turns after this move is used. At the end of that turn, the damage is calculated at that time and dealt to the Pokemon at the position the target had when the move was used. If the user is no longer active at the time, damage is calculated based on the user's natural Special Attack stat, types, and level, with no boosts from its held item or Ability. Fails if this move or Doom Desire is already in effect for the target's position.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

why does it go through protect

[molten oasis]

The Pikachu returns

[polar canyon]

Pikachu

[polar canyon]

Because it's too free to protect a move that you know is coming in exactly 2 turns

Like instant value on protect

[autumn vault]

I am ready

Username Lycopoky Slimesy

[molten oasis]

K

[polar canyon]

Do you guys think snowscape torn is a bad idea

[timber falcon]

yes

[mighty stump]

Walling every Raging Bolt in the game rn

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2095357273

If anyone wants to see it

[polar canyon]

You see what if they lead kyogre or groudon

Which are slower than a9 and have their weather set up after me

Weather war with 2 switch in setters is awkward

Having a manual setting torn could give me an advantage

[timber falcon]

true

[polar canyon]

Thanks I just wanted validation

[timber falcon]

what are good water cores besides shifu and ogre?

and palafin ofc

[polar canyon]

For reg f?

[mighty stump]

If you're playing Sun just run Torkoal as well

It's useful for TR teams anyways

[timber falcon]

g

[polar canyon]

Kyogre

[timber falcon]

excluding restricted mons, so i guess F

[polar canyon]

Dozo?

[timber falcon]

hmm yk i think that might work

[molten oasis]

Gg

[autumn vault]

Ggs

[molten oasis]

That sucked, I played so bad

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095357273

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095359527

[molten oasis]

Nice

Lost bundle too early ig

Idk, I was not expecting wake

[autumn vault]

Moonblast murders it

[molten oasis]

I thought you brought venu again

Wanna go again?

(I need practice into that mu)

[autumn vault]

Why would i bring venusaur when i know sleep powder doesn't function?

[autumn vault]

Sure why not

[molten oasis]

You brought last game lol

So I just assumed wrong

[lofty tartan]

https://pokepast.es/7f1ef607f3811fcd

🤷

Kyurem does well in TW and Caly-S doesn't like Chi-Yu

[molten oasis]

??

[lofty tartan]

Wasn't directed at you. He was talking about Snowscape and Kyurem

[autumn vault]

Sorry i was going to send you a request to battle but the user couldn't be found

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2095365023

For anyone who wants to watch it

[timber falcon]

Why have I been losing most of my games now

I hate miraidon so much

And caly-shadow

I’m now going to use miraidon

[livid vine]

I'm almost debating using support Miraidon because it's funny

[dapper crag]

Miraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Slam, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Supercell Slam, Take Down, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electro Drift, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Overheat, Parabolic Charge, Power Gem, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confuse Ray, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Miraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[timber falcon]

Helping hand?

[livid vine]

Helping Hand, Taunt, Parabolic Charge, Protect with Electric Seed

That's what I'm looking at

Eerie Impulse can also be niche

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/1564e987c90535ff

if anyone’s looking for some groudon ideas, i’ve been using this and been hovering 1400-1500 today

https://pokepast.es/1564e987c90535ff

[chrome knot]

dillon ! !

[next stump]

oops put the paste twice

[molten oasis]

Gg

[autumn vault]

Ggs

[molten oasis]

Guess that mu sucks ass

I love Tornadus 🫠

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095365023
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095367296
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2095369224

[autumn vault]

Dont worry man, you still did great, i just have a team that has a better MU onto your team than your team's MU into mine

There are definetely sun teams which you can win easily with hardly any effort

[timber falcon]

I think my mistake is focusing on restricted mons

Oh a Koraidon sun team is interesting

[autumn vault]

I beat drago 4 out of 5 matches with it

[timber falcon]

I guess gholdengo can’t take the heat?

[autumn vault]

He never brought gholdengo

[timber falcon]

Oh

[autumn vault]

But yes

[timber falcon]

I mean I thought dragos team was dengo reliant

[molten oasis]

Yea

Wellspring did nothing every game

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2095366446-e94i5vbudlwb79mpjo4o3nb2nnxba8cpw https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2095370872-q9xzvj2e4zhhtzphsi6396m2juwc4c2pw very chill set

[molten oasis]

I can’t bring dengo into chi yu

[autumn vault]

You learn more, which helps more against the MU

[molten oasis]

It just dies

[autumn vault]

I literally fought that same team like 7 hours ago

[atomic mural]

can you trick the mask off ogerpon?

nvm looked it up it fails

[chrome knot]

no..

[autumn vault]

What happens when you use calyrex shadow without a solid mind set

[craggy dagger]

imagine if you could
it reverts ogerpon back to normal

[molten oasis]

Might edit things on the team

Clesr amulet is proving annoying

[autumn vault]

You want will-o-wisp?

[atomic mural]

which one

[molten oasis]

The one I’m playing with

[molten oasis]

No, av has been good

[autumn vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Idk

[autumn vault]

Btw if you want to test the Sun MU, you can always ask me, not rn as it is pretty late and i have to prepare but just sayin this

[molten oasis]

K

[torn parrot]

SAME HERE

AAAAAAA

Im on the ladder rn

Fairynanbawan

Can’t post photos

[finite vine]

I’m working on a rain based team and I’m specifically making it a rain team to make my favorite Pokémon Ludicolo at least viable for competitive. Any suggestions on what to change? Also any suggestions for the 6th Pokémon? I’m not really planning on changing any of the Pokémon unless you have a Pokémon that would really benefit more. Anyway here is the link of the team! Keep in mind this is for doubles. https://pokepast.es/b4e820b0eca4a35e

[autumn vault]

If it is reg G Kyogre, for reg F idk

[molten oasis]

why are you two clowns

[finite vine]

This is for Reg F. I’m not mentally ready for Reg G yet lol

[finite vine]

Why me?

[autumn vault]

For Reg F like i said before idk

[molten oasis]

not you

poky and mayo

[finite vine]

Oh

[autumn vault]

Go to my profile, next to the # there is a loot box, go to it and get 9 items, after getting the 9 items you can redeem the clown

[dull ibex]

Reg F rain is archaludon and torn iirc

[finite vine]

Anyway. If any of ya’ll do have any suggestions for this team please let me know! I don’t mind pings! ^^

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

#server_questions message this explains it better

[gentle crag]

darkrai17 (ID 469544899486941185)

[Message](#server_questions message) in #server_questions
You can still obtain it if you go to the profile of someone who has the clown effect (you have to be on PC) then on the box with their hypesquad and former username and all that, on the right will say a clown for a limited time, click that box and it'll take you to the loot boxes tab

Command triggered by lycopoky. Message from · Apr 3, 2024, 8:43 PM

[molten oasis]

yea i didnt get that

[finite vine]

Is it free tho

[autumn vault]

Yes

[mighty stump]

Kyogre feels so mid

[finite vine]

Neat! Will try it at home

[dull ibex]

Elaborate

[molten oasis]

i agree

[mighty stump]

Sun outclassed it

[autumn vault]

It has many counters

[mighty stump]

Bolt/Waterpon makes its life hell

[molten oasis]

raging bolt and wellsring ruin its life

[autumn vault]

Bolt, wellspring, miraidon, koraidon, bundle, etc.

[molten oasis]

so many counters

kyogre got power crept

[dull ibex]

Fair, I think tornogre will gain something close to its old spot as time goes on, personally

[molten oasis]

tornogre does not like raging bolt

[mighty stump]

Play Reg G with TornOgre first

Lmk how that goes

[molten oasis]

at all

[dull ibex]

I just mean as the meta goes in on in months

[autumn vault]

You know it is serious when a pokemon that dominated since the beggining of VGC falls off hard now

[dull ibex]

I don't mean right now

But I also felt like sun was better then rain in swsh as well so idk maybe I'm just wrong

[molten oasis]

guess it could be some kind of wincon mon now

[mighty stump]

I really don’t think so. Other things like Miraidon making it suffer or Koraidon essentially being an incredible resist for it, forcing Kyogre to have TW also babysit it or use Scarf only

With Scarf you cant even protect yourself from things like Boom

[dull ibex]

If im playing reg g its sun personally

[molten oasis]

ive seen fari on a few teams

but that doesnt prevent hammer

[mighty stump]

Yeah but you eat a fat Wood Hammer, Glide not necessary

[dull ibex]

I don't have much interest in rain especially if it's struggling rn

[molten oasis]

yea

no rain is struggling, sun is at its all time high rn

[dull ibex]

That's what I said

[molten oasis]

for gen 9

[autumn vault]

It needs a whole-ass category to keep up with sun

[dull ibex]

Sun got alot of buffs this gen

It's great I'm a big fan

[mighty stump]

and sun like

[autumn vault]

That category of pokemon should have buffed stats in rain

[molten oasis]

yea sun is fucking annoying lol, really good archetype rn

[mighty stump]

Sun gets wiped by Caly S

[molten oasis]

it does?

[dull ibex]

Calyrex shadowrider is giga busted tbch

[knotty mirage]

With many thing trying to counter urshifu rapid yeah it pretty much indirectly makes kyogre worse

[dull ibex]

It was dumb af in swsh as well

Reg G starts next month yeah?

[knotty mirage]

Yes

[dull ibex]

Officially in game

[molten oasis]

yea

[mighty stump]

Its worse now since you can’t actually wall Caly-S with Dark types l

[dull ibex]

Cool

[autumn vault]

How does it get wiped? For koraidon it is obvious but groudon is only hurt by energy ball which most of the time it wont run

[dull ibex]

Tera?

[molten oasis]

tera fairy/fighting yippee

[mighty stump]

You wanna go see how much Astral Barrage with HH does to it?

[dull ibex]

Tera makes groudon alot better tbh

[knotty mirage]

No more yveltal and terra existence

[molten oasis]

pain lmao

[autumn vault]

Yeah i saw the numbers with specs

2HKO a tera'd wellspring

HH gives a 1.5 buff

Except that specs and HH stack so 2.25x damage with 165 SpA is busted af

[molten oasis]

lots of multipliers

[dull ibex]

Are there any popular sixes going around yet tofu, or is it too early even for showdown

[knotty mirage]

And chi yu will help caly shadow spread even more terror fun

[mighty stump]

Just the stuff you expdct

TornOgre + Archa

Sun

Caly-I/P2

[autumn vault]

My Chi-Yu is built to murder every Calyrex Shados

[molten oasis]

zac balance exists kinda

[mighty stump]

with Ursaluna

[dull ibex]

Oh right tr got a giant buff

[autumn vault]

In tailwind + scarf = GG EZ

[molten oasis]

i havent seen it much

everyone playing sun mirai and caly rn

[dull ibex]

I want to make koraidon work

[molten oasis]

its really good

[dull ibex]

I'm okay with it being a Tera hog

[autumn vault]

I did make it work actually

[mighty stump]

It never needed help to make work

[dull ibex]

I think it's got broken potential with the right partners personally

[molten oasis]

its good

i think i underestimated it lol

[dull ibex]

Koraidon Mane is a core I've had my eyes on

[molten oasis]

it hits like a truck

[dull ibex]

This is why I argued so heavily

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/ee280b326c4b3163 you can edit the team to not be very reliant on sun but here it is

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[dull ibex]

Fuk u

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[autumn vault]

I didn't, and i showed you why

[molten oasis]

ok dont rub it in

[autumn vault]

Just because flutter exists doesnt mean it is bad

[dull ibex]

Dollar also fought me on that

[autumn vault]

It is still a beast with a burden

[molten oasis]

ok well i dont think its better than groudon

[dull ibex]

Use your mane to counter theirs

[molten oasis]

although theyre both very close

groudon is also really good

[knotty mirage]

I wonder with caly being on the meta will it makes booster energy speed flutter more common

[autumn vault]

He is right though

[molten oasis]

probably

[mighty stump]

Spe FM is already common since the end of Reg F

[autumn vault]

Scarf Chi-Yu does wonders against calyrex shadow

[dull ibex]

No duh anyone with eyes saw mane koraidon

I'm not unique

[molten oasis]

mane probably has to run shadow ball this gen

i mean, reg

[autumn vault]

Always has been

[mighty stump]

Lunala is pretty alright

So is Zenta

[molten oasis]

im gonna go play with zac again but like man

[mighty stump]

I prefer Zama over Zac atm

[molten oasis]

it struggles sometimes lol

fairy steel getting walled by fire and steel sucks

[autumn vault]

Let me guess intimidate cycling

[timber falcon]

i havent seen a single zama

[molten oasis]

its solid

idt its overall gonna be better than zac but who knows. really good idbp user

[mighty stump]

I feel like it’s almost every time I see “I haven’t seen a single X”

[timber falcon]

i havent seen a single "everytime i see a single x"

[molten oasis]

with zac i think itll be best with howl or sub. im not finding swords dance very good

[mighty stump]

Whenever I mention anything remotely different in this channel

[knotty mirage]

Btw is there any good item to replace sitrus berry for incin ? i might want to replace it when caly s become legal

[mighty stump]

AV

[molten oasis]

av/goggles

[timber falcon]

av lookin good this reg

[autumn vault]

Howl Gouging Fire Zacian has also showed up in a NeilVGC video so maybe it is better

[mighty stump]

Imo AV first, Goggles second

[knotty mirage]

Hmm my rilla already have it

[molten oasis]

i fucking, man

we know how i feel about gouging fire

[mighty stump]

NeilVGc 🤮

[molten oasis]

(i cant pilot it)

[knotty mirage]

Should i just replace rilla then

[molten oasis]

well,

i should learn gouging fire

i just need to do it

cuz rn thats what im seeing zac being good on

not seeing swords dance at all

idk, im also picking between zac mirai and terap

for my main restricted

[mighty stump]

I also wanna say Dondozo is officially garbo

[molten oasis]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[dull ibex]

I need to find a better channel then Neil ngl

[molten oasis]

stupid fish

wins first reg g regional

[solid frigate]

Wolfey,Cybertron,Moxie Boosted

[dull ibex]

DonOgre looks go

[craggy dagger]

i’d cry

[mighty stump]

Honestly Dozo deserves a win

[autumn vault]

Cybetron hardly ever uploads, i would day 100% but with the uploads i am not too sure, always worth a watch

[molten oasis]

i like moxie's content

[dull ibex]

None doing reg g yet

[molten oasis]

yea, it got really close

its best shot is within the next month ig

https://pokepast.es/b3e4cbb6e1b99644 hmm

probably rapid strike to help zacian with ground steel and fire types

[solid frigate]

insert the Doggos

[willow vault]

Sub? That’s interesting I would have assumed sacred sword would be the 3rd move. Haven’t used Zacian this game though so not sure what’s better

[molten oasis]

im just trying things out

[willow vault]

Fair

[molten oasis]

swords dance hasnt been working

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2095408635-dgus1d4zevekx1e4swqfyhj3duw0tmgpw

[molten oasis]

probably rilla on spot 4

https://pokepast.es/9aabc3c39678e128 k, thoughts for other members

i think this core is solid just need to find the right moves for zacian

[willow vault]

Maybe torn for speed control?

[molten oasis]

i really have to pick between torn and gouging fire if i do that

[willow vault]

True

[molten oasis]

torn and gouging fire dont really seem to work together

hmm

[solid frigate]

Icy Wind?

[tough idol]

Lando I and the mon whose name I won't say

[molten oasis]

i swear you only know of the mons i dont like to use lol

although im cosidering flutter and then going sacred on zac instead of play rough

or just going 3 attack, yea lets just do that

im considering mienshao again

wide guard is so good

[tough idol]

What about the little Intimidate dude. Fighting type

[solid frigate]

i am fucked-

[tough idol]

Hitmontop is it

[solid frigate]

yea

[molten oasis]

yea

[willow vault]

Mienshao????? Huhhhhh

[molten oasis]

inner focus+wide guard

[willow vault]

What the heck

[molten oasis]

fake out+feint

hurts tf out of incin

[solid frigate]

wide guard,close combat,fake out

Best stuff for Countering Terapagos in one Pokemon

[molten oasis]

fuck it

bye shifu

[willow vault]

I understand what your saying but like didn’t expect mienshao to be mentioned

[solid frigate]

imagine Mienshao is popular because Terapagos exists

[mighty stump]

I feel you’re forgetting literally all the other spread move spamming pokemon

[molten oasis]

caly, groudon OMG IT HELPS WITH GROUDON

[mighty stump]

terapagos definitely isn’t countered by a mienshao either

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

Astral Barrage,Glacial Lance,Water Spout,Precipice Blades

[tough idol]

Wide Guard, Coaching Conkeldurr

[solid frigate]

ORIGIN PULSE,ERUPTION,EARTHQUAKE

DISCHARGE DAZZLING GLEAM

[mighty stump]

Who tf is running Discharge???

[solid frigate]

i seriously can go all day

[mighty stump]

and I mentioned Pokemon

[solid frigate]

idk its a spread move

[mighty stump]

Not the moves

Reading is hard

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/7bedc897a9304eed hmm

[torn parrot]

Restricted is fun it’s like playing commander in magic the gathering

[molten oasis]

now we have double fo

[solid frigate]

Is there a Better Water Type Besides Urshifu?

[molten oasis]

wellspring is kinda it lol

[solid frigate]

Walking Wake could be Interesting but idk

[solid frigate]

yeah true,i did consider wake but then again you aren't really using Sun Team

[molten oasis]

id try prima but i think prima is just dead now

[solid frigate]

I mean as an Example

Primarina is Fucking Dead

even tho her typing is nice and Movepool is decent,the stats and power creep ruins it

[molten oasis]

oh maybe, yea ting lu works here

[solid frigate]

i am still thinking the final mon

Water Fire Grass type Core is so nice to have

(Says the Guy who has 2 Fire Types)

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/09abda788ced260e

[ancient crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdzJQyEeemM&ab_channel=NeilVGC

that was fast

[solid frigate]

why i thought about Walking Wake-

[molten oasis]

wellspring is probably fine

wake, hmm

[solid frigate]

i thought about it as its still decent

wait why i did not think about other paradox pokemon

[molten oasis]

wake could work

wellspring also gives me redirect so im leaning towards it more

[solid frigate]

make two versions Maybe

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a63863322c35355c

https://pokepast.es/99f4f20dc23559b9

[solid frigate]

yeah could work

[split wasp]

does any one have zacion or zamazenta here i have mewtwo and girintina

[molten oasis]

wrong place

[solid frigate]

#trading_sv

[molten oasis]

ok, gonna go test now

[solid frigate]

aight gl

[molten oasis]

ugh, missplayed

almost won too

[solid frigate]

damn

[molten oasis]

i hate sun i hate sun i hate sun

I CANNOT PREP FOR WHIMS GROUDON AND JUMPLUFF GROUDON AND KORAIDON AND CHI YU FLUTTER TORN

HOW DO I BEAT THIS FUCKING ARCHETYPE

[bleak spruce]

Incineroar hit my flash fire armarouge with a flare blitz for a KO. Was this a Showdown glitch or would an item or something allow that to happen

[solid frigate]

i think thats the reason why i adore rain teams than Sun

[molten oasis]

i just want zacian to work why is every mu i fight absolute dogshit

[solid frigate]

thats probably why i pair whimsicott in Rain teams so she can survive more to compensate for not being Offensive

[next stump]

do you have a clip of it happening?

maybe weezing on the field?

[molten oasis]

How in the fuck is howl supposed to work when everyone runs incin

And I dont have anything to prevent it

[solid frigate]

most likely incin pivots

[strange fjord]

Clear Amulet might help against incin intimidates

[dapper crag]

Item: Ring Target

The holder's type immunities granted solely by its typing are negated.

SableyeBot version 4.27.0

[craggy dagger]

oh that’s just typings

[atomic mural]

Zacian can’t hold an item

[strange fjord]

Ah you were talking about zacian

[atomic mural]

Yeah

Well they were

I’m more of a miraidon enjoyer myself

[solid frigate]

the only thing to do,is that he need to kill Incineroar Fast to prevent anymore nerfs but its too expensive cuz Incin is too Tanky

[strange fjord]

yeah... doggo has its day in the light back in SWSH.

[tough idol]

Forgot new season started lol . Highest finish for a while

[bleak spruce]

No Weezing and I didn’t think to upload it of course. I don’t remember the other Pokémon but there didn’t seem to be any reason that should have happened

[next stump]

I can’t really think of anything that could cause that besides Weezing, Ability Swap, or you having the wrong ability on Arma

Skill Swap*

[bleak spruce]

Oh I must have skill swapped

[molten oasis]

I’m playing a Mon thah doesn’t get to use it

[strange fjord]

I saw earlier. Zacian is not what it used to be and I've actually seen more Zamazenta usage. Which is funny

In SWSH, you would never use Zamazenta and Zacian was the more common Pokemon. Now it seems like the Doggos almost traded places.

[solid frigate]

F

and Terastalization benefits Zamazenta

[tough idol]

Can tell everyone's on Showdown lol