competitive_discussion

[craggy dagger]

should be yeah

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[cyan smelt]

huh same speed

[craggy dagger]

oh same?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but i don't want to hit my partners

Or lose Lunala's ability

[craggy dagger]

i’m sorry but lunaspam isn’t it

[lofty tartan]

Yeah he didn't run any protects on the team except Crown and Ursa - probably just used Ursa to close the game out.

[foggy lodge]

It would be weird to still have Lunala on full HP on the field with Ursaluna but if it happened i want to make sure

[craggy dagger]

shadow rider is gonna eat good if that team comes into play

[solid frigate]

fuck that attack stat

[cyan smelt]

it's so bulky too

[lofty tartan]

I mean let's be honest, Shadow Rider is a problem, but it's beatable. Crown can do it, so it's definitely not a matter of Shadow Rider just kills it - it's more nuanced than that. Shadow Rider makes Crown day bad, but everyone also said Waterpon and Raging Bolt would be the end of Urshifu, and here we are

I don't think it's immediately fair to count any strategy out based on the fact that a mon has another mon that can hit it

[solid frigate]

WHO IN GAMEFREAK MAKE THIS STATS

[foggy lodge]

Lunala's ability make it take a astral barrage

And Indeede is a normal type so meh

[solid frigate]

only once

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but in that turn i already setted up my tr

I think it could work on early meta

[solid frigate]

mhm

[foggy lodge]

But once people start to figure out more things yeah, i'm going to change the team

[lofty tartan]

I do not recommend pushing Lunala out and intending to flip TR right there.

The Psyspam mode is the fast mode.

When you're talking Lunala/Crown/etc

If Hatterene or something then Psyspam is TR mode.

Lunala has base 97 speed.

[foggy lodge]

I put the team also in another server and they said to run Lunala without expanding and using trick room

[lofty tartan]

That sounds like pretty weird advice. Lunala is naturally fast. Why would you run that with the intent to TR?

The discussion about Expanding Force is something different.

I won't be the first to say it, but be wary about taking advice from others because not everyone you meet knows what they're talking about.

Myself included :]

[solid frigate]

Wolfey made a Lunala Trick room team before but thats SWSH, he ran Meteor Beam,Moongeist Beam,Trick Room and Wide Guard,but then again its because he has limited mons for his video

[cyan smelt]

do you think dialga origin can be viable

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean Wolfe does a lot of things.

Uhhh... I mean... maybe? Dialga has seen success as a TR mon in the past. But like all of this talk about "is this gonna be viable" is all really tongue-in-cheek supposition

You're asking if a particular mon is gonna be viable in a format that only some people have probably tested, a month from now, and the entire format is gonna be shaken up at that time. It's really hard to say right now.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah i usually analyze the advices

[cyan smelt]

i really want to use either koraidon or dialga-origin

[bold geode]

Can I just say that dialogue in Pokemon games are boring AF when you've already played it before

[foggy lodge]

But he is someone who is going for worlds so, yeah

[solid frigate]

if you have a trick room mon you might as well run Wide Guard,Meteor Beam,Exanding Force and Moongeist

[solid frigate]

that is true

[lofty tartan]

My former coach is going for Worlds too - didn't stop him from giving bad advice

[bold geode]

Who

[solid frigate]

who

[foggy lodge]

TRUE

Legends Arceus tutorial

[lofty tartan]

I'm not here to name names in a whole "this guy gave me bad advice". I feel like that's probably inappropriate, since he isn't here to defend himself.

🤷

[bold geode]

Oh no I was just generally asking
Cuz I didn't know you had a coach

[cyan smelt]

i feel like zamazenta might be an underrated pick

[lofty tartan]

I mean I did have a coach. Past-tense lmfao

[solid frigate]

heck i don't even had a coach before ;-; but that might be a good thing cuz i am learning my own

[lofty tartan]

It's good. I'm doing pretty okay for myself VGC-wise right now :]

[foggy lodge]

It could work but i don't how much without the leftover recovery

[cyan smelt]

free def boost when it enters battle then iron def to make it even bulkier

then just body press

[lofty tartan]

Coaching is good but you can afford to pick and choose with them and find someone who really works for you.

A lot offer free consultations - focus on those ones.

[solid frigate]

well currently none lol so thats why i always fly solo without help for most of tthe time

[lofty tartan]

I believe there's only so far down a river that you're gonna be able to paddle by yourself.

https://tenor.com/view/matt-le-blanc-joey-friends-hat-rack-gif-12490383

[solid frigate]

yeah i get you,i actually coach someone before but they now on their own now

[foggy lodge]

How is the coaching experience? I mean the pay ones

I have a coach for Smash Ultimate but he is my best friend so i really don't know how is the experience

[solid frigate]

well its kinda need to kow their preference first

but rn i only help my friends to coach so yeah

anyways

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-good-night-gif-5313006238324153079

see ya in 4 more hours

[warped mason]

🙃

[cyan smelt]

based

[lofty tartan]

@bold geode you should dm me. May be able to set you up with a Bolt.

[bold geode]

I did

[cyan smelt]

man i hate caly shadow

[warped mason]

caly shadow gets expanding force right?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[warped mason]

shit

[cyan smelt]

e-force and astral barrage

and it can tera to fighting to get rid of dark types

[warped mason]

can't even fake out it

[cyan smelt]

grimmsnarl might be good again to set up screens

[warped mason]

i guess incineroar can do something but idk

[cyan smelt]

weak to tera fighting tera blast

they really gave caly-s all the tools

[warped mason]

incin should live at the very least, and get off a parting shot

but yea they made caly-s busted

[cyan smelt]

ting-lu the goat should be able to deal with caly-s

[warped mason]

trueeeee forgot about him

[cyan smelt]

wait does sneasler get knock off

actually i want to use terapagos because it's cute

[molten oasis]

reg g official now

i have been preparing correctly

[cyan smelt]

ok sneasler gets throat chop

[valid widget]

can i have someone test my singles team

or i can send it from showdown

[ember linden]

How are y’all gween

Wait I’m also gween

[lofty tartan]

It's the forbidden magic

[molten oasis]

im guessing its april fools stuff

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[solid frigate]

[mighty stump]

Lol

[dawn crown]

Would calyrex s run Tera fighting or tera dark

[cyan smelt]

fighting

or fairy

[distant scarab]

Ghost psychic fighting

So I'm thinking doubles will now be weather wars🥲

[mighty stump]

Ghost/Psychic just means you lost to Incin

Tera Blast Fighting feels kinda shiddy cause it opens uo Fairy weakness

Supportive id probably run Dark, Fairy offensively

[cyan smelt]

wait i just had a thought, could zoroark-hisui be good against all the caly-s

[valid widget]

ive been having a sudden winning streak in ranked battle

[charred saddle]

nice

[valid widget]

my team is ogerpon hearthflame, H-zoroark with clear amulet (tera poison), poison heal tera ice gliscor with toxic orb, great tusk with booster energy as a hazard remover, iron valiant with lum berry, and marvel scale milotic tera ice with aqua ring, attract, scald, ice beam

but im allowed 3 at a time in ranked

also gave ogerpon superpower for fighting type coverage

[charred saddle]

is this singles?

[valid widget]

yeah singles

[charred saddle]

ah ok

[valid widget]

it'd be a disaster if doubles

first loss

cuz stupid fkn sturdy. shame

[solid frigate]

use Urshifu

[solid frigate]

only astral Barrage,but its too frail

psychic moves exists

unless the Tera is Dark

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/terapagos-stellar.png

[solid frigate]

WTF THEY DID TO MY BOI

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/dialga.png

[solid frigate]

ok new plan

appearently my team is absolutely garbage rn

[knotty mirage]

I really want to use caly shadow for next reg but i already use my rein of unity on my caly ice

[solid frigate]

i need to make a New team for VGC Reg G

cuz i lost 3 times in a row

[knotty mirage]

What restricted mon you use ?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-screaming-gif-3175766823264533159

yes i am the turtle stan

[knotty mirage]

Oh yeah it might be hard trying to pilot terrapagos especially when it's seem's to be terra reliant

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/0dd07829c1942562
This team is before

[solid frigate]

i need to do more testing and yes i am playing in hard mode

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093432846

Finally i win one

looks like rain teams are my best friend

[daring jungle]

can i get some thoughts on this team. (My friend and i span a wheel of all shiny huntable pokemon and this is what i creted):

Electrode-Hisui @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Static
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Taunt
• Thunder Wave
• Giga Drain

Toxapex @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Baneful Bunker
• Protect
• Rest
• Sleep Talk

Corviknight @ Assault Vest
Ability: Mirror Armor
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Drill Peck
• Light Screen
• Reflect
• Roost

Annihilape @ Choice Band
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

• Cross Chop
• Earthquake
• Shadow Claw
• Thunder Punch

Kleavor (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sharpness
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Stone Axe
• Night Slash
• Swords Dance
• X-Scissor

Swanna @ Red Card
Ability: Hydration
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Flip Turn
• Helping Hand
• Rest
• Tailwind

[solid frigate]

thats a wall don't you have pokepaste

[daring jungle]

pokepaste?

[solid frigate]

the thing you get teams on showdown?

https://pokepast.es/2eea627c76b1b55c

[daring jungle]

let me see

ah, i see it. hang on

https://pokepast.es/f82a5d754aa39ae0

hopefully that works. sorry, forgot it existed

[solid frigate]

@cyan smelt i see you-

[cyan smelt]

i thought it was you on showdown

[solid frigate]

Yeah that was me

i got slapped badly lol

[cyan smelt]

prankster taunt is pain

[ember linden]

Bro I’m tryna bo3

Anyone down?

[solid frigate]

and yes i used New Terapagos team cuz Primarina is useless on my team

[cyan smelt]

archaludon is gonna be good

[solid frigate]

Reg G?

[solid frigate]

i am using one

[ember linden]

I can cook up a Reg-G team if that’s what y’all were just doing

[cyan smelt]

i'm just watching reg g games atm, i have no idea what i want to use

[solid frigate]

i mean sure i need some practice on my new team

[solid frigate]

if you want to be miserable just play Terapagos

[ember linden]

Alright let me build Zacian balance rq lmao

[cyan smelt]

i kinda want to use kyurem-white on snow

[solid frigate]

i have experience on Drago's Zacian i hope i can do it

[molten oasis]

check dms

[molten oasis]

primarina probably completely dies when restrictedn starts

[solid frigate]

yes i also need to build a new team for it

[molten oasis]

idk how to get it to work

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/2eea627c76b1b55c

[molten oasis]

what-

what is the point of archaludon

[solid frigate]

its actually used a lot-

[molten oasis]

what is the point of archaludon

i do not like 3 ice weaknesses and 3 fighing weaknesses

[solid frigate]

i kinda need Rain to work on it,the one with Ogerpon kinda failed and Primarina is useless and i don't have fairy coverage on my team

the problem is

idk which pokemon shhould i bring now

[molten oasis]

oh

AND 3 ground weaknesses

i think archa needs to be replaced

its adding unnecesarry weaknesses

and you want a rain abuser?

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah i have my urshifu in my Reg F team-

well that solves one problem

[molten oasis]

just put it on the reg g team, reg f is coming to a close this month

oh also, put av back on bolt

tera steel torn

[solid frigate]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 Atk / 28 Def / 4 SpD / 224 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• U-turn

[solid frigate]

ok

this probably will be the Kyogre before the actual Kyogre is here

[cyan smelt]

caly-s is just busted i might just use that lmao

[solid frigate]

lol

[molten oasis]

Kuma (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 44 HP / 204 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-turn also, use these evs

you live dnite espeed

[solid frigate]

aight thanks

[molten oasis]

also youre missing 4 evs on terapagos

where are those evs?

[solid frigate]

wait does that mean i need 2 Fresh start Mochi

[molten oasis]

ig

[solid frigate]

oml....

[molten oasis]

that

or just drop some evs with berries

(i dont want to open my switch again ngl)

[solid frigate]

i'll try

[cyan smelt]

just saw someone skill swap prankster onto galarian moltres then use after you on caly-i

[solid frigate]

i think i foughtone before but its skill swap Into Kyogre

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/d75c7f72b9a24297

you can drop pao if you want, but this is like, shell balance with zac

instead of lando i

[solid frigate]

probably need to wait for at least few regulations to Put Kyogre back into the team but eh

[ember linden]

I’m ready

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

the username

[molten oasis]

can i watch

[solid frigate]

sure

[ember linden]

Sure

[molten oasis]

ok, i need the link whenever

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/gloogy-pokemon-terapagos-gif-8449143467371418881

the sprites-

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093445925-ycxq61s8jsl7lus7th9hg2i8o7fjnrrpw
@molten oasis

[ember linden]

Lmao I had to READ your team members 😭

I almost cooked myself t1 lmao

[solid frigate]

lol

[molten oasis]

wait reg g has a format already?

[ember linden]

Do bo3 you goober

[solid frigate]

ah

[ember linden]

Nah

[molten oasis]

no way

i can start testing tomorrow

[solid frigate]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093447447-1d2ovbkf222ac3d3t7xmdqe12bjt4l9pw

[molten oasis]

that was FAST

[ember linden]

OH MY GOD IT DOES

[molten oasis]

im down for a bo3 against whoever once youre done

yea so

reg g testing for the next month lol

[solid frigate]

lol

[ember linden]

In Calyrex we cry

[autumn vault]

Is the regulation announced?

[pearl wind]

yep

[autumn vault]

It is restricted format, i found out thanks to pokemon showdown

[molten oasis]

button mashing simulator

[solid frigate]

yep

[ember linden]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

ok, guess im fighting a caly

[ember linden]

Play me Dray

[molten oasis]

if you want ofc

[solid frigate]

i'm just playing guessing game of if they trick room or not

[molten oasis]

ok

[solid frigate]

and its 10 am in the morning damn

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/bat

[ember linden]

Oh my god my eyes

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093450025-splwpqxtgr7rreqvtj305lv7sx4rmlkpw

[cyan smelt]

So is kingambit a check to caly s or does it get wrecked by tera fairy or fighting

[solid frigate]

my lord the SPRITES

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093449893

My lord i am playing hard mode

[molten oasis]

are amazing

[solid frigate]

WHY GOUGING FIRE IS THE YEE MEME

[timber falcon]

why so many green names

?????????

[molten oasis]

april fools day

[timber falcon]

oohhhhhhhh lmao ok

[molten oasis]

ggs

[ember linden]

Run it back I’m ass

[solid frigate]

second game is a clean sweep-

[molten oasis]

lol ok

[ember linden]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

I am literally the worst out of the 3 lol

[molten oasis]

zacian built different lol

seriously tho

you shouldnt be underspeeding a zacian

[solid frigate]

i am just stuck with the turtle cuz i don't have Either of them-

[molten oasis]

my spread only hits 207

[solid frigate]

@ember linden I'm fighting your team in a different player-

[molten oasis]

exact mons too?

[solid frigate]

nvm no urshifu

Vik does not have Urshifu if i recall

i lost even more worse

i think i should use Miraidon actually

i played so badly as Terapagos

[molten oasis]

that sounds like you not the team

[solid frigate]

i played badly i said

i made so many mistakes when i was fighting Vik

[timber falcon]

anyone wanna do a reg F battle?

[solid frigate]

maybe later

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/f4b97752b2c8c77b I will test this soon, also OTOT i can't rn, maybe later

[timber falcon]

okidoki, ill just attempt to raise my elo

[molten oasis]

ggs

[timber falcon]

this looks quite terrifying

[molten oasis]

oh youre OTOT

i thought you were a new person lol

[autumn vault]

Look at his pronouns

[solid frigate]

i actually thought OTOT is that Palafin stan who said Palafin is the strongest

[molten oasis]

lmao

[timber falcon]

this entire time?

[solid frigate]

can someone give me Iron Bundle EVs

[molten oasis]

yes lol

[molten oasis]

252 spA 252 spE

[timber falcon]

based off pikalytics, max max

[molten oasis]

timid

sash or life orb

tera ghost

[solid frigate]

aight thx

[molten oasis]

wanna play a bo3 when youre done cooking?

[timber falcon]

cant it also run booster?

[molten oasis]

its on a mirai team

[solid frigate]

i mean sure i guess

[timber falcon]

oh ok

[solid frigate]

done the team for testing

[timber falcon]

oh shoot reg G format is out

[molten oasis]

im dying with the sprites its so funny

[timber falcon]

time to start remaking palafin team

[ember linden]

https://tenor.com/view/run-that-back-gif-24297807

[solid frigate]

it throws me out a lot

[molten oasis]

again?

[ember linden]

Ggs

Slight modifications

[solid frigate]

yep same name as before

[molten oasis]

no i was- ok

[solid frigate]

[ember linden]

LOL

[solid frigate]

sorry

[molten oasis]

torrent im gonna go fight vikx again

[solid frigate]

ok

[molten oasis]

then we'll go

[timber falcon]

lmao palafin is hercules

[solid frigate]

i'll test it first by myself

[ember linden]

I’m channeling my inner Prog

[solid frigate]

also lemme cook on Electric Seed-

[timber falcon]

no way the changed every single sprite

i thought it was only a select few

[solid frigate]

yes they did.

[ember linden]

April Fools hehe

[timber falcon]

i honestly dont think palafin stands a damn chance here lmao

uhhhh well, i give up

[solid frigate]

i am torn of should i use Terapagos or Miraidon

[timber falcon]

mirai helps out not just itself

so id do that since it enables many other mons

[molten oasis]

gg

[ember linden]

Gg

[molten oasis]

im not playing that shit again

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093458296-y0w5lratu7qs31gjvv9r1v8plpe2jx9pw

Yep-

[cyan smelt]

Flutter has to be speed boosting in order to out speed koraidon

[ember linden]

I just wanted to play till I won lol

[molten oasis]

ik

[timber falcon]

dont they have the same speed

[molten oasis]

i would have stopped after this one anyway

[autumn vault]

They are cringe af

[ember linden]

I’m not using this shit anymore lol

[molten oasis]

youre just wrong

its cringe

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but proto gives speed a 50% boost

[ember linden]

Lol

[molten oasis]

caly s stuff is so cringe

[molten oasis]

you just have 3 nuke buttons

[solid frigate]

I literally get Throw away by the sprites but its not cringe

[molten oasis]

and an indeedee

[autumn vault]

Look at Zekrom's sprite, its cringe af

[molten oasis]

its whatever, annoying to fight and i missplayed so hard lol

[ember linden]

Rilla Incin Zacian core kinda cooks it

[solid frigate]

imagine Indeedee being Popular as fuck in Reg G

[timber falcon]

wth is it even doing?

[solid frigate]

They should not give it Trick Room.

[ember linden]

Max speed modest flutter lmao

[molten oasis]

eww

[autumn vault]

Kick

[solid frigate]

or at least male version gets one like in SWSH

[molten oasis]

anyway

[timber falcon]

oh its just kicking

[molten oasis]

i think my mu into that stuff is good

its just, so much offensive pressure

[ember linden]

You ever wanna extensively practice the mu I gotchu lmao

[molten oasis]

lmao

im trying to not immediately start relying on incin

gouging fire also wasnt ever bad there it was pretty good

[ember linden]

It’s way to good in restricted

[solid frigate]

a Kyurem white team well shit

[molten oasis]

no ik im not gonna avoid using it

im just trying things out rn

[ember linden]

I’m heavily Incin pilled lol

[molten oasis]

rn im leaning towards the team im running atm

[autumn vault]

I use magmar

Flame body follow me is nice

[molten oasis]

oh right @solid frigate ready whenever

[autumn vault]

Especially with eviolite

[ember linden]

Having Dragon Fairy Steel, and Fire Water Grass on one team is sick

[solid frigate]

after this match

[molten oasis]

yea, its really nice

lando did not feel good lol

(i hate this thing)

[ember linden]

It seemed out of place

[molten oasis]

it does yea

LANDO T HOWEVER

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093460293

my god finally

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/landorus-gif-13744914906800154741

[solid frigate]

Drago i'm ready

[ember linden]

Lando-T might be able to cook a little more Reg-G

[molten oasis]

lemme cope with therian lol

[molten oasis]

cool

[solid frigate]

both Lando maybe

[timber falcon]

for what right does clayrex ice deserver this bulk. can this thing even be OHKOd????

[autumn vault]

In 4 fucking turns

[molten oasis]

user torrent?

[ember linden]

The HH tera ghost astral barage:

[solid frigate]

yeah, if you have a Plus 2 Zacian and Bethemoth blade it to shreads

[solid frigate]

MorrisPXG456

[solid frigate]

That Hydro Pump Land matters

[timber falcon]

nice to know i can somewhat counter it, hopefully

[autumn vault]

Those look like beefed up palafin stats except for speed

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093461665

the lando t sprite lmfao

[timber falcon]

the speed is what makes it even better

[solid frigate]

i saw that before

[cyan smelt]

what's the onion thing

[molten oasis]

wellspring

[ember linden]

Think I might branch out and stick to a Calyrex-Ice team

[cyan smelt]

lmfao

[ember linden]

God new toy syndrome to new heights lol

[molten oasis]

no way youre running raw blizzard

[solid frigate]

its still wip

[cyan smelt]

why does gouging fire look like that animal thing, i forget what it's called

[molten oasis]

idk what it is but its from some kind of meme

[cyan smelt]

yeah i'm trying to remember the meme now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SlB1kRLAI this thing

[true niche]

is calyrex-ice going to be top tier?

[molten oasis]

for tr yes

[solid frigate]

ggs

[molten oasis]

ggs @solid frigate

raw blizzard on bundle is wack lol

[solid frigate]

yep

[molten oasis]

also, generally that play is safe for me t1 but i cant believe you let me do that again

[solid frigate]

wait i forgot icy wind exists

[solid frigate]

thats why i said i made the same mistake again

[molten oasis]

i dont play a lot of attention to the chats lol

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/dcee0f59fcf15bca how is this looking? i Quit Quitting on making a palafin team

[molten oasis]

dont try to do that in reg g

[solid frigate]

and i am still torn should i give Terapagos another shot or abandon the turtle

[molten oasis]

trust me it will not work out

[autumn vault]

Why OTOT, why?

[molten oasis]

keep trying

we can go again with the terapagos team if you want

[solid frigate]

sure

[molten oasis]

you tweak things in this game all the time its normal

some things arent gonna work out its normal

[autumn vault]

Anyone want to reg G? i have to make a small change so you have to wait a bit

[true niche]

torn+ogre going to go insane fr

[molten oasis]

ill go after i rematch torrent

[autumn vault]

ok

[timber falcon]

me me

[autumn vault]

your username?

[timber falcon]

Totorules

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093465674

[molten oasis]

CRIT

damn

[solid frigate]

INCINEROAR ACTUALLY SURVIVED.

[molten oasis]

incin lived +3 play rough, damn

[solid frigate]

its neutral against fairy but still-

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093465674
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093465674

GG's OTOT

[timber falcon]

ggs

the team is supoosed to counter the mons i find scary, literally just to counter most reg g mons lmao, not to abuse them but here i am

[autumn vault]

You are abusing them

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093464148-zq4c59f81x01dtzfwpzcko0bpu9on8rpw for instance....

[timber falcon]

this is true but not my intention

hey ill still use it

[autumn vault]

Chilling neigh and Grim neigh is busted af

[timber falcon]

fr, paired with caly-ice sheer bulk + policy even lando a super effective hit is risky

[cyan smelt]

and there's clear amulet now so intim/snarl doesn't even work anymore

[timber falcon]

only for its signiture to give is 2x

[molten oasis]

that was really close

[solid frigate]

ggs

[molten oasis]

that para almost cost me the whole game

[solid frigate]

I have very good plays in G3-

damn it i should've spiky shield-

[molten oasis]

idt you take tera dark wicked blow but yea

you might i could be wrong

you played very well, that torn is pretty annoying

[solid frigate]

yeah

[solid frigate]

and i did not really use Terapagos

[molten oasis]

maybe explore more restriceds

@autumn vault ready?

uh oh

theyre pushing legends ZA out sooner

[timber falcon]

noooooo they must take thier time!

[molten oasis]

it has a release date of Novembet 15th 2024

[timber falcon]

thats way too early-

[molten oasis]

well, they also posted this today

and its april fools

[timber falcon]

but what if its reverse phsychology

[molten oasis]

yea nah its a joke lol

not even offical pokemon (just barely realized)

alr, well if anyone wants to bo3 lmk, im gonna go play the fan game ive been playing

[solid frigate]

thank god i rather 2025

[autumn vault]

Can you wait a bit

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[solid frigate]

so i can buy it in Birthday

[molten oasis]

yep

[solid frigate]

ok so plan is,I need to make Ogerpon new EVs

2nd Practice

[autumn vault]

ready now

Username Lycopoky Slimesy

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

I also changed my team a bit

[autumn vault]

your username?

oh nvm

gg's Drago

[molten oasis]

ggs

i see you went the HO route lol

[autumn vault]

There are holes i need to patch up with my team

[molten oasis]

like what exactly?

[autumn vault]

Zacian's existence

I have now ev'd incineroar to have a 75% chance to ohko it with F-Blitz

while having good bulk

[molten oasis]

show the spread

[autumn vault]

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 120 Atk / 52 Def / 52 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• U-turn

[molten oasis]

ig thats ok for an assault vest incin

[autumn vault]

120 attack adamant is enough to ohko zacian with 0 bulk (unlikely but it barely helps zacian to add more bulk) or 4 hp

120+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 168-198 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Just barely enough

[molten oasis]

120+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 156 HP / 60 Def Zacian-Crowned: 156-186 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

this spread also lives precipice blades from groudon

[autumn vault]

I just slapped dragonite onto the team because if i want to avoid using fucker mane then my options are really limited and dragonite synergizes well with chien pao

[molten oasis]

bulk on zacian does help

[autumn vault]

204+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 180-212 (96.2 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Back to 75%

[molten oasis]

stop upping the damage

you dont need it, incin is supprotive

[autumn vault]

148+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 170-204 (90.9 - 109%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

I think this is good enough

[molten oasis]

man, k

run hearthflame

hearthflame is a problem for it

[autumn vault]

you are right

Incineroar -> hearthflame right?

[molten oasis]

upping incin's damage isnt gonna help that much in the long run

what is the team

paste plz

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/b52e132e3f63f437
I will complete hearthflame's spread soon ok

[molten oasis]

if youre going with follow me replace amoonguss, if not replacing incin is fine

[autumn vault]

I wont go follow me

[molten oasis]

oh, dont run pjab on shifu

ice spinner

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 174-206 (93 - 110.1%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

+1 252 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 344-408 (183.9 - 218.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

reminder

[autumn vault]

Tera ivy cudgel bodies zacian

[molten oasis]

you have pao

[autumn vault]

why do i keep paying attention to 1 mon when another can help with damage output

[molten oasis]

youre just honing in too much

[autumn vault]

Fact no. 1: ivy cudgel tera fire murders every pokemon weak to it

[molten oasis]

yea

[solid frigate]

even some pokemon die to neutral

[autumn vault]

I think i will calc without the attack buff because of wrestling cat

[molten oasis]

sure

[autumn vault]

168 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 176-208 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
168 Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 216-256 (115.5 - 136.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I think i will go 168 attack

I think tailwind would be nice for my team, helps to ohko zacian and kyogre with tera fire ogerpon as fast as possible

and could get zekrom fast without needing to ddance, only problem is no attack buff

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 644: Zekrom

Types

Dragon/Electric

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/120/120/100/90

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

youre 150 base youre fine

[solid frigate]

its tanky as well

[autumn vault]

I actually ev'd it to survive freeze dry from 252 iron bundle

[molten oasis]

with pao

[autumn vault]

maybe i don't need ddance

[solid frigate]

a coverage move works i think

[autumn vault]

I think i should replace dragonite for Landorus therian, with it i can deal with miraidon without the need of zekrom

and it has intimidate support

I am cooking something up, special landorus therian

[molten oasis]

no

use incarnate for special

[solid frigate]

special lando t does not work

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/42329a92caed1ad4 i have this now

[molten oasis]

stomping tantrum over play rough imo

[autumn vault]

any reason?

[molten oasis]

hitting fire types for se

[autumn vault]

Play rough is good against koraidon

wait that is better

[molten oasis]

you have pao

sash pao

[solid frigate]

also Zekrom can run rock slide?

[molten oasis]

thats fine

[autumn vault]

yes actually

[solid frigate]

use it

for coverage

[autumn vault]

i am thinking of the team's weaknesses and how to patch them

[molten oasis]

youre gonna have weaknesses but doing the most you can is good

[autumn vault]

With zekrom i can go with a type that does good against my team

and i went ice punch over rock slide on Regigigas before because it does great against ground (that team had a 3x weakness to ground)

iron bundle looks scary into my team

I guess rock slide

[molten oasis]

youll prob have to play around that tbf

[autumn vault]

I also have a huge defense investment on amoonguss to tank glacial lance calyrex ice without an attack buff

iirc also brave nature

now that i have checks, i should spread around the defense on amoonguss

[solid frigate]

ok what is the most pointless nature besides neutral natures

ask for fun

[molten oasis]

any defense altering natures

[solid frigate]

Gentle and Lax

[autumn vault]

252+ SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 236 HP / 156+ SpD Amoonguss: 93-109 (42.4 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

[molten oasis]

specifically the ones that boost defense or spD and lower the other

[solid frigate]

yep,Gentle and Lax

[molten oasis]

yea lol

[solid frigate]

Damn

[solid frigate]

might as well not exist

[molten oasis]

fr

[solid frigate]

At least Hasty boost Speed

[autumn vault]

It will be a special meta in terms of restricted legends so more special defense investment is nice against them

outside of restricteds it will be physical

but normal ones are less threatening than restricteds

[solid frigate]

i might as well try fight without Terapagos and Familiarise my team

[autumn vault]

anyways i think i will start testing

[molten oasis]

do you feel like terapagos is bad or do you think you need to figure it out

btw calm mind and power herb meteor beam is bad

that needs to change

[solid frigate]

there is potential, and you said that lol

[molten oasis]

Tofu said that

[solid frigate]

i mean someone recommend me ran both idk

[molten oasis]

well theyre wrong

[autumn vault]

Drago is correct

[solid frigate]

calm mind,Starstorm,Protect and Gleam

[molten oasis]

think about this, with both calm mind and meteor beam after you click meteor beam you have 1 attacking move

that is better

[autumn vault]

I would go with a single target attack move to not get walled by wide guard

[molten oasis]

i feel like you want to hit the shifus tho

[autumn vault]

obviously when you tera but still

[solid frigate]

sadly Terapagos does not learn Moonblasts

[molten oasis]

hmm

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shift

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/65/85/65/85/60

Total

450

Other Formes

Terapagos-Terastal, Terapagos-Stellar

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

could run tbolt ig

[solid frigate]

remember,I have Raging Bolt and Later Kyogre joining the team and has thunder so thats why i did not run tbolt

[autumn vault]

thunderbolt

[molten oasis]

ice beam also works

[autumn vault]

It also has stored power but that terapagos is not a CM set so nope

[solid frigate]

mine is CM set.

Terapagos-Terastal @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 228 SpA / 20 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Stored Power

[autumn vault]

No it doesnt hit dark urshifu

Unless your team can deal with darkshifu pretty well i would not run it

[solid frigate]

thats why Terapagos should've Learn Moon Blast for Koraidon,Miraidon and Urshifus

[autumn vault]

It also learns Dragon Pulse

Thunderbolt seems like the best option

[solid frigate]

i have Tornadus and Urshifu rapid

Terapagos-Terastal @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 156 HP / 100 Def / 228 SpA / 20 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Thunderbolt

[autumn vault]

Well i dont think it is worth running

thunderbolt without boosting stats already deals with rapid strike

[solid frigate]

eh maybe

[autumn vault]

can you send pokepaste?

I am confusing myself already

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/17172fcaef0d7f6f

[molten oasis]

if it was fairy sure

[autumn vault]

I would go D-Pulse in this case

[molten oasis]

otherwise no lol

no

why are we considering dpulse

[solid frigate]

flutter mane.

[autumn vault]

You already bust the urshifus

[molten oasis]

ice beam

if CALY is an issue than sure

[solid frigate]

WHY PAGOS NOT LEARN MOONBLAST FOR CHRIST ALMIGHTY

[autumn vault]

You can deal with miraidon, setting up rain isn't enough against koraidon

[solid frigate]

i think about it

[autumn vault]

Koraidon deals with terapagos and bolt (if its a brute ofc)

only torn deals with it and bleakwind wont always land

[solid frigate]

rain dance.

[autumn vault]

This is getting weird, i would just run T-Bolt if you are worried about urshifu

[solid frigate]

alrght done,lemme rest a bit

i'm too tired

i did not even sleep-

[molten oasis]

im pulling an allnighter (i have to write an essay today)

[solid frigate]

basically me when i have GCSE exams

[autumn vault]

I am still in spring break man

[molten oasis]

nice

[autumn vault]

It is why i am online earlier than usual

[solid frigate]

same but after break exams starts,but only a day so yeah

[autumn vault]

when i come back, for a few weeks i dont get bombarded by exams but half of the exams pop up halfway and the other half before the break

[solid frigate]

i only have one exam and i can grind for restricted

anyways imma rest a bit

[autumn vault]

This is the morning

1:06 PM or 13:06 rn

[molten oasis]

im just behind in a couple classes and the homework i have to do sucks

essays suck, corsework sucks

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093491658-5uz4q9ovk0u2xr3oghrm2v6ecnet01upw
I forgot to add tailwind, also yes ik turn 3 i accidentaly clicked d-claw and S-punch but i did not expect dragapult to not have sash

Ngl i hate group projects a lot

I swear i am the last guy to be in a group

[molten oasis]

i left class early the other day because it was group work

in english

[autumn vault]

Ngl i would do the same

I hate group projects

[molten oasis]

well were preparing for another essay and im just, over it lol

i need to push to get it done so i dont lose a lot of points

i just got busy this weekend and today i just couldnt bring myself to do it

so i have to get it done on campus or at least a chunk of it done tomorrow/today

[autumn vault]

I am happy not because of school responsibilities, because i am listening to Hugh's theme from B2W2 that gives me nostalgia

and the break too

[ebon hawk]

guys yall saw regulation g?

[molten oasis]

yes

[autumn vault]

yes

[cyan smelt]

caly shadow is busted

tera only made it better lol

[molten oasis]

not looking forward to it

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/c8da2b6335334dff Any changes?

Should i add tailwind?

[cyan smelt]

and if you try running kingambit, there's urshifu and tera fairy for caly

[molten oasis]

if it feels needed

and it go over lando probably

[autumn vault]

I will test more

If the team feels slow, i will add it

[molten oasis]

tera fairy isnt bad for it tho

[autumn vault]

Drago i found a snow white kyurem

[molten oasis]

the gambit

cuz then you can iron head

[cyan smelt]

yeah but caly has tera fairy

[molten oasis]

its not gonna kill gambit

gambit goes av in restricted imo

[cyan smelt]

might have to start running av yeah

[molten oasis]

nice

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regg-2093498676

here it is

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093498676

[molten oasis]

wow, blizzard spam

crazy

[autumn vault]

Rock slide really did help there

Ngl i am surprised zekrom outspeeds their kyurem white

seriously though urshifu's april 1st sprite is funny af

[molten oasis]

idk if i want to go grind ladder rn ngl

[cyan smelt]

why didn't they fake out the urshifu

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/urshifu.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/urshifu.png

[molten oasis]

how

[autumn vault]

I want the rapid one

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 892: Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Types

Fighting/Water

Abilities

Unseen Fist

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/130/100/63/60/97

Total

550

Base Species

Urshifu

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[molten oasis]

bru

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/urshifu-rapidstrike.png

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[autumn vault]

That is funny

[molten oasis]

its so good

[autumn vault]

I take it back these sprites are very funny

I am still laughing

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/zacian-crowned.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/zekrom.png

[molten oasis]

how did you get the april fools ones

[autumn vault]

Worst thing i have seen all day

I use /sprite, when you see the april fools setting set it to true

also use Sableye bot

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/zacian-crowned.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/zacian-crowned.png

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[autumn vault]

Totally fair

So fair in gen 8

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd-shiny/rillaboom.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/xerneas.png

[autumn vault]

DK rap

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/hydrapple.png

[autumn vault]

Yes i have read it all

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

thats awesome

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/excadrill.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/fezandipiti.png

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/zapdos-galar.png

[molten oasis]

ITS A CHOCOBO POG

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/primarina.png

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[autumn vault]

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd-shiny/ironjugulis.png

[autumn vault]

Primarina if it was physical:

[molten oasis]

thats my prinarina, thats what hes doing when setting up calm minds

[autumn vault]

Chug Chug from Fortnite with 2 iron bars

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd-shiny/ironhands.png

[autumn vault]

Minecraft and Fortnite fans should get along because this is perfect

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/farigiraf.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/ursaluna.png

[molten oasis]

ursa lol

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/ursaluna-bloodmoon.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/walkingwake.png

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/ragingbolt.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/ironboulder.png

[autumn vault]

Raging Bolt if it came from Hoenn:

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/ironleaves.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/gholdengo.png

[molten oasis]

NUH UH lmao

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd-shiny/indeedee-f.png

[molten oasis]

singles joke fs

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/baxcalibur.png

[molten oasis]

damn bax looks kinda sick lol

[autumn vault]

Indeedee if it was lazy:

[foggy lodge]

https://twitter.com/TheKingVillager/status/1774628501443719562?t=87ajc_sJzAifZkm3uemblQ&s=19

The(DRAGONBALLIN)Villager (@TheKingVillager) on X

All base 135 speed btw have fun 👍

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 2:43 AM

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd-shiny/ironbundle.png

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/afd/archaludon.png

[molten oasis]

LMAO,

thats so good

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/32c03a8cbe3c0b4b I saw this from the VGC showdown chatroom, is it shit? Only true answer is yes

[molten oasis]

mewtwo copium

[autumn vault]

everything about it is bad

But i do respect them for using mewtwo

[cyan smelt]

And araquanid

Is araquanid slower than ursaluna and calyrex ice

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 752: Araquanid

Types

Water/Bug

Abilities

Water Bubble, Water Absorb (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/70/92/50/132/42

Total

454

Other Formes

Araquanid-Totem

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[autumn vault]

yes

[cyan smelt]

It doesn't hit very hard though

[autumn vault]

Water bubble doubles bp of water moves

[cyan smelt]

Does it?

[autumn vault]

yes

and it blocks burns

[cyan smelt]

Oh, thought it just prevented burn

Still doesn't have great def stat

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regg-2093511068-vbm4gjdhp7jlvfpcovlslzzbs89bkffpw
One reason i use Zekrom

28+ Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon in Electric Terrain: 60-72 (30.4 - 36.5%) -- 59.2% chance to 3HKO

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Archaludon: 104-124 (52.7 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

Why'd they tera that miraidon into steel, that was dumb

[autumn vault]

Just like corny, they terastelize infront of zekrom in electric terrain and get their miraidon pulverised into dust by a bolt strike

they probably tera'd to resist dragon but bolt strike does even more damage when unresisted in E-terrain

[cyan smelt]

Why'd they wide guard when Zekrom doesn't know spread moves

[autumn vault]

to take bleakwind to preserve pelipper

[cyan smelt]

Oh

[autumn vault]

but they didn't target it

[cyan smelt]

I wanted to use alolan raichu but then I looked at its Moveset and it doesn't really get anything good

Even though it outspeeds caly s in E terrain

[autumn vault]

Electro ball one shot hearthflame at 32% because in tailwind and surge surfer it is way too fast so it did the max damage to ogerpon

I didn't expect ogerpon to not live that hit though

[cyan smelt]

Yeah isn't that overkill, tailwind and E terrain

[mighty stump]

Reg G Bo3 lmaooo

[autumn vault]

I have 1114 elo with 3-1 W-L ratio

[autumn vault]

Also Zekrom learns Rock Slide

[tall ruin]

If i were to use the light trio in doubles pvp even though they arent legal yet should i not hypertrain their speed?
Just for future refference

[lofty tartan]

Well as all 3 are Restricted, it's not likely that you'll be able to play all 3 on a team unless we somehow get a Triple Restricted meta.

That aside, it depends on what your team does. Lunala and Solgaleo are 97 base speed, so that's pretty fast - not hyper training them doesn't really help them do anything more and they're not ideal TR mons

Necrozma is 77 base speed so he's like middle of the road, sorta. It's all very contextual, though.

[autumn vault]

I think only Lunala and some necrozma can have 0 speed ivs

[tall ruin]

They seem like they would benefit if trick room were ever to pop up but im very newish, just wondering if they allow any of em in any future online comp

[lofty tartan]

TR reverses speed, so when you've got fast mons like Solgaleo and Lunala, they're going to move later in turn orders. I'm curious how it seems beneficial to run them in TR? Like legitimately, not trying to be a jerk or anything.

Just wanna know your thought process here.

Ideal TR mons are the lower the base speed, the better, because their stats are more allocated into bulk and offense

[mighty stump]

You'd be using the Necrozma forms instead

[tall ruin]

Thought lunalas 77 was considered slow

[mighty stump]

But Lunala does run TR

[autumn vault]

Lunala is known to be a very good tr pokemon so i don't see why not

[lofty tartan]

Lunala is 97

[tall ruin]

Oh

Im high asf

[mighty stump]

Since it rarely runs speed

But I dislike using Lunala when you can have Caly-I

[lofty tartan]

^

[autumn vault]

^

[tall ruin]

I just saw alot of lunala builds out there with hp and spatk

And was wondering

[autumn vault]

Necrozma dawn wings has expanding force so you can run it in a psyspam team with tr

[tall ruin]

Thats all

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I mean there's gonna be a lot of people trying to rehash previous builds from older Gens -like with Weakness Policy Coalossal

[autumn vault]

But for standard psyspam use calyrex shadow

TR psyspam DW Necrozma

[tall ruin]

Ight, so no need to overthink it for a begginer like me at least?

[autumn vault]

No need to overthink

[tall ruin]

Ill just hypertrain em except lunala

Ty :)

[autumn vault]

your welcome

[mighty stump]

Well I was more thinking Necrozma-DM with WP stuff

[tall ruin]

Yh mb was thinking of dw

[lofty tartan]

Now here's my thing - I noticed on the newly-allowed pokemon list that the fused Kyurem forms are listed but I didn't find the Necrozma forms - probably just Serebii being Serebii again, yeah?

I'll have to look at Home

It wouldn't make sense to not allow the Necrozma forms but Pokemon has done crazier things before. 😐

[pearl wind]

heres the list from home

[lofty tartan]

Cool - as I figured. Serebii doing Serebii things

[raw thistle]

I'M GOATED

This was both our lasts btw

[tall ruin]

@lofty tartan in your experience out of the necrozma forms and solg, lunala, which is the most versitile?

[lofty tartan]

In my limited exposure to Gen 8 battles, after the fact, I saw a lot more Solgaleo than the other two.

But @mighty stump has a much better idea.

Isn't Dawn Wings Necrozma pretty good?

[mighty stump]

I only ever saw Dusk Mane for TR WP stuff and Lunala with Meteor Beam

Solgaleo was

Well

It was around

[lofty tartan]

Yeah see, I didn't play Gen 8 so my exposure to the format is digging up content from that time and consuming it. So I only know what I've really seen there, and what I've seen for previous VGC event finishes

Tofu actually played the format

[tall ruin]

Im guessing teras could shift usage of the 3 alot

[mighty stump]

Im expecting for the worst tbh

Imo theres better more important restricted mons

[lofty tartan]

Tera has a way of making things viable that weren't, previously, but it's anyone's guess right now.

I'm interested in Groudon, Kyurem-W and Terapagos quite a bit, right now.

[tall ruin]

Im just interested in these since its my favourite trio and trying to see if there is any versatility to em

[lofty tartan]

People are really going to hedge toward their favorites now that Restricted Legendaries are breaking into the format.

I'm just more interested in what is well-positioned

Right now it's a Single Restricted format starting May 1st, hen-ree, so pick one of the three that you like the most and give it a shot 😄

[mighty stump]

Versatility? No. Viability? Within reason.

Imo their sets seem too restrictive, barring Lunala due to Wide Guard/TR access

[tall ruin]

Damn thats tough to hear but ight

[tall ruin]

Ye

[mighty stump]

That's just one of the objective parts of Comp Pokemon, sometimes the stuff you like will never be as good as something else

It's all up in the air

Reg G is an unexplored format

But I think most experienced people have an idea of what's already good and not

[tall ruin]

Pachirisu out here winning world championships

[mighty stump]

Pachirisu was an accurate meta-call with an important niche that Sejun took advantage of

Not just cause he was choosing favourites

[tall ruin]

Ik ik just joking around

[mighty stump]

People always use that and the Karen quote so it always puts me on edge

[tall ruin]

@mighty stump as a competitive player, is dragonite still meta in the regulation?

[mighty stump]

Reg G? It's probably better than Rayquaza

[tall ruin]

Damn

[mighty stump]

Just cause of Inner Focus

Air Lock is fun and all

BUt like

Eh

[tall ruin]

People preffer IF to multiscale?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah inner focus has overtaken multiscale for sure.

[tall ruin]

Ill rebuild my dragonite then

[timber falcon]

rly?

[dapper crag]

150 attack dragon ascent is crazy

[timber falcon]

wouldnt e speed rayquaza be better than dnite in all cases?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 149: Dragonite

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Inner Focus, Multiscale (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

91/134/95/100/100/80

Total

600

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Air Lock

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/150/90/150/90/95

Total

680

Other Formes

Rayquaza-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[timber falcon]

bulk isnt that different i dont think

[dapper crag]

150 it’s no switch to that

But a fairy type lol

[timber falcon]

fairy types wont help against e speed

[lofty tartan]

Flutter Mane

[dapper crag]

Even better

[timber falcon]

oh yeah that thing is still around

[dapper crag]

That’s his only issue

[timber falcon]

but i think it could work, lemme go and cook

[dapper crag]

Clear amulet extreme speed swords, dance kills everything

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9300a9a86e04454b btw hows this lookin?

[dapper crag]

Not bad

[timber falcon]

oh i forgot what makes dnite very good

inner focus is the difference

[lofty tartan]

I think the benefit of Dragonite here over Rayquaza that Tofu is outlining is that Rayquaza has to burn a Tera to avoid the Fake Out > KO.

[timber falcon]

yeah ive just noticed this

[mighty stump]

Not when you get Intimidate cycled

[dapper crag]

Clear amulet

[mighty stump]

Having to keep clicking SD just to keep your damage up also sucks

And then you're also using up your restricted slot

Not to mention that one of the top expected usage mons is a Ghost-type

[timber falcon]

its not worth it in that case

[mighty stump]

Fake Out cycled

[lofty tartan]

I still don't know how I managed to squeak a win into that Caly-S team with Groudon

[mighty stump]

Dnite is just better without using up as much resources teambuilding

[timber falcon]

does reg G even have a meta yet?

[mighty stump]

Nope

[timber falcon]

ah ok

[mighty stump]

But good players always have an inkling

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9300a9a86e04454b does this team work?

[lofty tartan]

And that's why I defer to Tofu because I'm above average at best, and he's good

[timber falcon]

where am i then

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-cute-kid-kids-i-dunno-confused-gif-14851993

[foggy lodge]

Nah i don believe in Rayquaza Pao

[dapper crag]

So what legendary do you think has the most place in the meta game for regulation G

[foggy lodge]

I think it can be outclassed by Dragonite

[dapper crag]

THANK U lol

[autumn vault]

🤝

[mighty stump]

Are you agreeing that Dnite outclasses Ray here? Cause that's what they said

Also: Groudon/Terapagos/Miraidon/Koraidon/Both Calyrex forms/Zacian

[dapper crag]

Actually, I read that wrong I thought they agreed with me😭💀💀💀

[lofty tartan]

Groudon my boy. Recently recovered from back surgery and is looking fantastic

[timber falcon]

speaking of groundon, i just lost to spicy extract groudon-

[lofty tartan]

[dapper crag]

Does koraidon just died to mane really fast

[autumn vault]

Zekrom my beloved has been murdering miraidons in a lot of matches

[dapper crag]

Move: Spicy Extract

Raises the target's Attack by 2 stages and lowers its Defense by 2 stages.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.26.2

[timber falcon]

this works with CA btw

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 204-240 (122.1 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

Tera

Its ideal Tera-type is Fire anyways

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it either Teras or it dies.

[timber falcon]

how

[lofty tartan]

Or it switches or protects.

[autumn vault]

What about 156 hp? According to drago it can survive precipice blades with 156 hp

[mighty stump]

Just cause something has a x4 weakness doesn't make it bad

[lofty tartan]

I'm less-high on Koraidon with him boosting Flutter Mane right in his face. It doesn't end his viability though.

[mighty stump]

Especially when it has a bunch of pros attached

[autumn vault]

Tailwind, they tera and i bolt strike them in e-terrain

[mighty stump]

Plus

[timber falcon]

oohhhh

[mighty stump]

Modest Flutter Manes are outright punished

[lofty tartan]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-White Fusion Flare vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 204-240 (109 - 128.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

You can scout speed tiers with Sun

[autumn vault]

I see

[mighty stump]

If they SpA boost, your Jolly Koraidon will outspeed

Easy

[dapper crag]

Have y ever thought of putting sash on flutter mabe

[mighty stump]

Everyone has

[autumn vault]

Yes actually

A lot of people

[lofty tartan]

This. I'm running Sash Mane on Sun right now

[dapper crag]

I swear I seen no one ever use it apart from me rbh

[mighty stump]

Anecdote

[lofty tartan]

The team is even in #rental_teams

[autumn vault]

Specs and booster energy just give a ton without much drawback

#rental_teams message here actually

[gentle crag]

dazedmika (ID 294245776060579842)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: Pond Scum (because frogs and turtles)
Code: P3GLHC
Format: VGC Regulation F
Pokebin/paste: https://pokebin.com/6b29cf703fb09fee

Notes: This team has been performing excellent on cart and currently shipped me straight up to Master Ball with minimal effort.

Sun team with Walking Wake and Venusaur as the primary focus, but Sun synergizes with 4 of the team members (five when you count damage boosting Torkoal's fire moves)

Walking Wake goes with Specs for the extra damage boost and to open up Life Orb for Venusaur - Steel Tera Blast lets you edge in against opposing Flutter Manes

Venusaur is mx speed/special attack timid, which puts him at 290 in Sun. This forces Flutter Mane to be 172 or greater speed investment or be outsped by the frog - Sludge Bomb to pick up good damage or Sleep Powder for nap time. Often times, Sleep Powder is just the optimal play, and the risk of missing is mitigated by the reward of an extremely fast sleep effect.

Torkoal is about as standard as it gets. I thought Helping Hand but the coverage from Earth Power really helps.

Raging Bolt is Vest with Electroweb/Snarl for disruption. Electroweb paired with Icy Wind will shut just about any TW strategy down.

Speed Boosting Focus Sash Flutter with Icy Wind for additional speed control.

Farigiraf lets the team shift into a TR mode, flip the table on Tailwind, or try to disrupt Trick Room setting for the opponent while removing priority threat. Thinking Psychic over Voice for additional damage options into Amoonguss. Helping Hand just allows you to pick up KOs you normally wouldn't be able to reach.

Command triggered by lycopoky. Message from · Mar 9, 2024, 12:58 PM

[autumn vault]

See sash?

[dapper crag]

Yes

Should I run assukt vest or sash on dark urshifu

[lofty tartan]

Sash, likely.

[autumn vault]

Sash

AV does not help against flutter

Sash does