competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

i think it dies when restriced starts with all the hard hitting physical attackers

how do i not just remake my last team

lando i covers all of primarina's weaknesses

[fiery escarp]

magearna in disguise

[bold geode]

@ember linden GG mfer

[ember linden]

Huh

The game I just played was you?

[bold geode]

Yeah

[ember linden]

Gotta love crits

Dunno if it mattered my urshifu is a little bulky

[bold geode]

I wanna bet TClap would've picked up regardless

The one bad thing for you was my Harc living that one double up

But I mean it was a good match

[charred saddle]

https://youtu.be/6qsQHcjjeU8?si=Gf1SXs24v70XKzvp

new upload
8 mins ago

[last yarrow]

Hey is spiritomb good in the current meta? Type wise having 3 immunities with only a weakness to fairy makes it seem good for a trick room team but I figured I'd ask experienced players about it.

[lofty tartan]

It hasn't been doing much of anything lately - three immunities is nice and all but it doesn't have a lot of presence on the field.

[mighty stump]

Great

Now my tech is everywhere

[solid frigate]

nothing burger,

[ember linden]

https://pokepast.es/cc01ddf75571f108 anything I need to change? I’ve done a lot of testing but thought I’d ask.

[bold geode]

Looks fine

Although I'd like Calm Mind Bolt there with a double Fake Out core

Pretty good

[ember linden]

I hate the mind games but it is good

I’ve been swapping between the two bc taunt rilla is nice

[ember linden]

No clue why so many ppl on reg-f bo1 forfeit after one misplay

Like at least 100 of my elo is from the insta ff

[autumn vault]

Only issue i noticed is taunt on rillaboom but otherwise there would be no counter to amoonguss

[ember linden]

I’m not running that anymore

It’s AV rilla and cm bolt set now

[autumn vault]

Oh, i see

Well outside of that the team looks solid (no sus counter but i see the bottom)

[ember linden]

Outside of what?

No amoonguss counters?

I just pressure it with damage I don’t need that much

If need be I’ll slap on goggles to bolt or incin

Stellar pao feels great

[autumn vault]

Stellar pao has also been pretty good for me

[ember linden]

Not that hard to set up a moment to press the nuke button

[autumn vault]

Stellar is a good tera it's just that permanent buffs and defensive teras are so much better

[ember linden]

Yeah just depends on the mon

[autumn vault]

Stellar is good when the pokemon is brute offense like chien pao

Not to counter fucker mane

[ember linden]

It’s good on sash flutter too

[autumn vault]

Sashed pokemon also benefit from it a lot

[ember linden]

Yeah

Lando-I sub is so nice too

My favorite adaptation

[autumn vault]

Like what i said: Brute offense pokemon benefit from stellar a lot

[ember linden]

Some people will run a double fo core and have sandsear on Lando-I

I see it but I don’t want to click the blow up or get blown up button

[autumn vault]

Sub is safer than Sandsear

[ember linden]

Mhm

You wanna run a reg-f bo3?

[autumn vault]

Sure

[ember linden]

I’ve hit 1500 on bo1 ladder and I’m done ranking for the day

My user is Vikxk_VGC

[autumn vault]

I am Lycopoky Slimesy

I challenged you

[ember linden]

I accepted

I’m down for ots

[autumn vault]

Ggs

[ember linden]

Ggs

Wanna do random battle doubles

[autumn vault]

No

[ember linden]

Lol it’s chaos

[solid frigate]

don't worry It'll be funny

[next stump]

good morning y'all

[autumn vault]

Good morning Dillon

[willow vault]

Good morning

[molten oasis]

Good morning, ig

[mighty stump]

What in the fuck is that

[molten oasis]

Plankton

[mighty stump]

Praying Allah strikes you down where you stand rn

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

Anyway, time to do more homework

[atomic mural]

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Rain: 216-254 (93.5 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

i forgot to make it count as doubles spread damage

252+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu in Rain: 162-192 (70.1 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[autumn vault]

Plankton with a (cursed ahh) human face

[autumn vault]

Ting-Lu is the only pokemon that survives a super effective water spout from kyogre

[atomic mural]

honestly, might replace landorus I

like I would have less offense but I just think my team would love having a second dark type for calyrex shadow

and psyspam

only thing is it gives me less offense and zacians would stay alive longer

but that's only stomping tantrum

heavy slam does way more

0+ Atk Ting-Lu Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 156 HP / 4 Def Zacian: 96-114 (51.3 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[autumn vault]

damn

Ting-Lu is pretty good

[atomic mural]

yeah

havent decided on what other evs go into (If I use it)

[autumn vault]

Fissure ting-lu looks nice into the restricteds

Not saying use fissure

I am just saying you can use fissure on all of them

dont use it, its 30% accurate

[atomic mural]

yeah but ruination does half their hp and since I can live a kyogre water spout I can just weaken the attacks

[autumn vault]

true

Anyways you want to Bo3?

[atomic mural]

hold on I wanna finish my ting lu set and then I wanna test

[autumn vault]

oh, i see

Anyone want to Bo3 reg G?

[atomic mural]

+1 156+ Atk Zacian Play Rough vs. 132 HP / 76 Def Ting-Lu: 204-242 (82.5 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252 Atk Zacian Play Rough vs. 132 HP / 76 Def Ting-Lu: 200-236 (80.9 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

156+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 132 HP / 76 Def Ting-Lu on a critical hit: 216-264 (87.4 - 106.8%) -- approx. 31.3% chance to OHKO

60 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 102-120 (41.2 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

yeah and instead of almost dying to groudon the weight moves it gets are 40 base power when I use ting lu

[mighty stump]

? Just click Stomping?

[atomic mural]

it does way less

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2089544929-2rdqgumz4ea4cie7ie1854n798t95r5pw
Weezing + Regigigas is enough to not worry about dondozo tatsugiri

[atomic mural]

76+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum vs. 156 HP / 4 Def Zacian: 49-58 (26.2 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[mighty stump]

156+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 104-126 (62.2 - 75.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO@
156+ Atk Ting-Lu Heavy Slam (40 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 19-23 (11.3 - 13.7%) -- possible 8HKO

You're using the wrong Zacian.

[atomic mural]

ah

[autumn vault]

0+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 180-212 (107.1 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it does ohko

[mighty stump]

You're using doubled BP.

[atomic mural]

my bad

[autumn vault]

well it can miss/fail a move

but for the sake of it

156+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned: 104-126 (61.9 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

so still good damage, not an ohko but good damage regardless

[mighty stump]

I can also "just happen to crit" doesn't mean that's your considered baseline

[autumn vault]

156+ Atk Ting-Lu Stomping Tantrum vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned on a critical hit: 158-188 (94 - 111.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
this is also something

[atomic mural]

i can bo3 now

[autumn vault]

ok

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen94v4doublesdraft-2089551914

[molten oasis]

oo

[autumn vault]

ggs Corny

[molten oasis]

fun watch

i think game 3 corny you didnt need to tera miraidon

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen94v4doublesdraft-2089551914
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen94v4doublesdraft-2089558263

[molten oasis]

idk if you take +1 dragon claw but id rather take that then the boosted bolt strike on electric terrain

[autumn vault]

Zekrom would have murdered it anyway

Corny, how much bulk does your miraidon have?

[molten oasis]

you had a better chance of living dragon claw id assume

its pretty bulky

[autumn vault]

how much exactly?

[molten oasis]

i dont remember the defense evs but i believe its 252 hp

[atomic mural]

108

[molten oasis]

defense?

[atomic mural]

yeah

[autumn vault]

more?

what are the evs on hp?

[atomic mural]

252

[autumn vault]

+1 28+ Atk Teravolt Zekrom Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Miraidon: 194-230 (93.7 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

my zekrom is 28+ attack

+1 28+ Atk Teravolt Zekrom Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon in Electric Terrain: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

GGs corny

I redeemed myself

[molten oasis]

yea so your chance of living claw was better although definetly not guaranteed

im down for one if anyone is interested

[autumn vault]

me

[molten oasis]

k

user?

[autumn vault]

Lycopoky Slimesy

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen94v4doublesdraft-2089565150

ggs

[molten oasis]

ggs

[mighty stump]

ooc Drago

Why did you bring Corviknight in G1

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen94v4doublesdraft-2089565150
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[molten oasis]

tailwind

[autumn vault]

I forgot the white kyurem has tera fire (Pls make the silly hats in showdown pls)

[molten oasis]

realized it was the wrong bring lmao

[autumn vault]

Are you chien plowed?

[molten oasis]

i wanted tailwind so that kyurem could blizzard

without being in threat of zekroms dragon claws/bolt strikes

[atomic mural]

i changed like 1 thing with the ting lu version and i wanna see

[molten oasis]

which, ended up not working lmao

[mighty stump]

Drago we should do a round

[molten oasis]

sure

[mighty stump]

Iab

[molten oasis]

alr, do you want to send the battle invite?

oh, @autumn vault ngl that magmar is pretty annoying

[autumn vault]

See why i used it

It also burns and tanks restricted legend hits

[mighty stump]

All I see is two mons weak to EQ

[molten oasis]

i was thinking about bringing shifu g2 but i didnt want to risk the burn

[molten oasis]

i dont have that lol

[autumn vault]

i think he means it to my team

[molten oasis]

yea, ik

groudon likes that lead a lot

[autumn vault]

Chien Pao and Rillaboom are there for Groudon

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

me when groudon tera fire

[autumn vault]

Landorus incarnate counters tera fire groudon, AV can tank an EP/SS but not 2

[mighty stump]

They don't know Drago its ok

[molten oasis]

frfr

[autumn vault]

Rillaboom's grassy terrain halves EQ damage, precipice blades can miss (85% accuracy) but does more damage

[molten oasis]

what groudon is running eq unless they really hate precipice blades

[mighty stump]

lol

[molten oasis]

at least it isnt hydro pump

[autumn vault]

It also applies to literally every pokemon that has EQ

[mighty stump]

I never miss Precipice Blades really

[molten oasis]

i feel like eq died as a move reg d

i see it here and there nowadays

[autumn vault]

That is true, one reason to bundle's inconsistency (But better reward) along I-Wind 95%, surf damaging your own pokemon, freeze dry not being able to do enough damage, etc.

[molten oasis]

but rilla ruins it

yea, i dont try to run mons with a lot of general inconsistency now

lost a top cut to bundle missing 2 hydro pumps and icy wind on both opponents

i hate torn for similar reasons

[autumn vault]

I never miss bleakwind storm for some reason but i see why you and other people do dislike using it

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

Whimsicott is more consistent for a reason

[molten oasis]

tofu are you building a team?

[molten oasis]

mhmm

[mighty stump]

No im on TFT lol

[molten oasis]

oh lol

lmk when you want to battle then

[molten oasis]

yea, but torn is better

its just generally safe to click bleakwind

[autumn vault]

True, but torn is slightly less consistent due to bleakwind, but yes its better

[molten oasis]

torn can also set rain dance to make sure that they hit

so like, theres that

[autumn vault]

To be fair Tornadus can set every weather up

[molten oasis]

true yea

[mighty stump]

@molten oasis ok user?

[molten oasis]

drayagedrago

[mighty stump]

sent

[molten oasis]

gg

[mighty stump]

GGs

Teraform Zero is goated

[molten oasis]

all my teams are weak to the same shit

[mighty stump]

Do you wanna try the Don team

[molten oasis]

sure

[autumn vault]

Teraform Zero is a good ability, counters Miraidon, Koraidon, Kyogre, Groudon, Rillaboom and Indeedee

[knotty mirage]

Good thing it only work once

[patent marsh]

o it don't reactivate upon switching back in?

[autumn vault]

I am not sure

it only tells me when it teras into Stellar form Terapagos

[knotty mirage]

No it only work once

So just switch in your koraidon or miraidon and youre good to go

[autumn vault]

Still forces them to switch which can be good

[molten oasis]

ggs

[mighty stump]

GGs

[molten oasis]

really close endgame

[mighty stump]

Misplayed tbh

GG

[molten oasis]

that mu doesnt feel undoable at least lol

[atomic mural]

volt switch miraidon/u-turn koraidon 💪

[molten oasis]

terapagos is so hard to take down

especially with healing

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

ill figure that line eventually

[autumn vault]

when has terapagos been not hard to take down? Never

[molten oasis]

does the team look ok?

[autumn vault]

any replays available?

[mighty stump]

I fixed Groudon's Tera

I didn't save any lol

[molten oasis]

i have them

[mighty stump]

I don't really plan on sharing my teams yetr

[molten oasis]

oh then i wont share lol

[knotty mirage]

I mean you can try to use colision course

[autumn vault]

oh

[mighty stump]

Ill do a dump after Reg G starts

[molten oasis]

makes sense

[mighty stump]

But I think what I crafted is too solid and teched to share

[autumn vault]

Makes sense

[knotty mirage]

I think choice band or life orb collision course can ohkod terrapagos

[molten oasis]

idk if corv feels good on this team rn ngl

[mighty stump]

252+ Atk Choice Band Orichalcum Pulse Tera-Fighting Koraidon Collision Course vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 119-140 (70 - 82.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 219-259 (93.1 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

but tbf ive only been able to play so many games with it

[mighty stump]

Lol

[molten oasis]

thats insane wtf

[mighty stump]

You're never really OHKOing

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 219-259 (82 - 97%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Koraidon: 61-73 (34.8 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[molten oasis]

that thing is gross

and im not looking forward to trying to figure out how to beat it

[autumn vault]

fake out takes care of base form's ability

Not counting baby form its literally unusable

[molten oasis]

uh huh

[mighty stump]

I mean

Even with Fake Out

[molten oasis]

then it protects

[autumn vault]

why they will run that, to block it

[molten oasis]

ig snarl spam could help

[autumn vault]

and icy wind/ electro web

[molten oasis]

mitigate its damage

[mighty stump]

Ideally

[molten oasis]

i might try support archa on this team

not sure yet

[knotty mirage]

I mean at least on reg G you can only use 1 restricted

[autumn vault]

Terapagos learns Calm Mind and Rock Polish, not looking forward to battling it

[knotty mirage]

So i'm not sure if many people will choose terrapagos over something like miraidon

[molten oasis]

it also gets meteor beam

[autumn vault]

Screw Calm Mind Meteor Beam it is

252+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course vs. 96 HP / 0 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal: 77-91 (42.3 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
WTF its too bulky

[molten oasis]

well with meteor beam you dont get an item

[mighty stump]

Don't need one

[molten oasis]

fair

[mighty stump]

that does make me think though

@molten oasis wanna go again?

[autumn vault]

Terapagos is super bulky

[molten oasis]

with which team?

[mighty stump]

Just any

[molten oasis]

sure

[mighty stump]

Im gonna use the Terapagos one

Slight alteration

[molten oasis]

ill give my zac balance a go

i would have said that ti either team

[mighty stump]

ok sent

[molten oasis]

cool

[atomic mural]

thats with tera shell

remember that

[molten oasis]

wait, gimme 1 sec

[autumn vault]

252 Atk Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 228 HP / 12 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 216-256 (108.5 - 128.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[atomic mural]

yeah see

if you just pair with fake out they would be forced to protect or tera

[mighty stump]

You can't force it to Tera, it's Stellar

[atomic mural]

🤓

[mighty stump]

?

[autumn vault]

Its true

[atomic mural]

ik its stellar

[autumn vault]

Terapagos' only tera is stellar

[atomic mural]

but its just a tera type

[molten oasis]

gg

so hard to beat jeez

[mighty stump]

Its an alternative set using Covert Cloak

Means no Snarls/FOs

[molten oasis]

yea

man

idk what to do into this

[mighty stump]

You played really well

I had to make some ballsy reads

[molten oasis]

even then i couldnt kill it

[mighty stump]

Normal types ong

[molten oasis]

oh well

[mighty stump]

That was technically a balance mirror

Not technically, it was

Lol

[molten oasis]

yea, i had zac you had terapagos lol

set up wars

and i cant utilize my tera cuz, yk

[mighty stump]

You know whats also underrated

[molten oasis]

stellar

[mighty stump]

Tera Starstorm starting off as Single Target

[molten oasis]

yea that hurt my incin a lot

one of these days ill beat the damn terapagos

[covert urchin]

should i build my greninja for special attack?

[molten oasis]

today just wasnt that day

[mighty stump]

Dark Pulse/Ice Beam/Hydro Pump/Grass Knot are probably your moves if you're going Specs

[mighty stump]

I wonder

[covert urchin]

right now i have a frogadier with timid nature

[mighty stump]

How much atk investment did your Zac have

[molten oasis]

124 jolly

its built to outspeed bundle no booster and live precipice blades no boosting item

[mighty stump]

You needed a minimum of +5 to have a chance to OHKO Terapagos without FG

[molten oasis]

god

[mighty stump]

You never OHKO with FG

[molten oasis]

jeez

why is it so tanky

tf were they thinking

[mighty stump]

Also the fact when you Tera you heal the tiniest amount cause of the BST change

[molten oasis]

i wasnt expecting that at all

[mighty stump]

Zygarde moment

[autumn vault]

because its a turtle that lived for who-knows-how long

[molten oasis]

fr lol

terapagos is the new zygarde

i feel like i played well i think the double protect was the final blow tho lol

i think in general its just gonna suck to take down terapagos

[autumn vault]

I want to battle a terapagos team but ik i will get demolished by tofu's terapagos

[molten oasis]

its terapagos, its hard to beat in general

[autumn vault]

i beat a miraidon twice in a row and if miraidon is worse than terapagos, i think i stand a good chance against terapagps

[molten oasis]

idt it is

[autumn vault]

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 68 SpD / 252 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Moonblast
• Encore
• Protect
  I am using whimsicott in a terapagos team i have been making in showdown, i think whimsicott will have a better time in the restricted format then tornadus due to the existence of miraidon and whim walls it with it's typing (unless overheat but i dont see overheat being used that much)

[mighty stump]

I mean

That looks to be like

What

A 2HKO

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Rider Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 180 HP / 68 SpD Whimsicott in Psychic Terrain: 138-163 (87.3 - 103.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 180 HP / 92+ Def Whimsicott: 134-158 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO (discounting sun)

[molten oasis]

i bet whims gets 2hko'ed by miraidon tbh

it is paper

[autumn vault]

with what?

[molten oasis]

electro drift

[mighty stump]

Electro Drift

Lol

252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 180 HP / 68 SpD Whimsicott in Electric Terrain: 87-103 (55 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 180 HP / 68 SpD Whimsicott in Electric Terrain: 87-103 (55 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

you beat me to it tofu

[molten oasis]

and then i doubt whims kills it in return

with a 2hko or even 3

[autumn vault]

4 SpA Whimsicott Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 80-96 (45.7 - 54.8%) -- 47.3% chance to 2HKO

[mighty stump]

kek

[molten oasis]

lol

[autumn vault]

i ev'd it to survive powerful hits give it a break

[molten oasis]

i still think torn remains supreme

[autumn vault]

I also changed the ev spread btw

[molten oasis]

yes miraidon exists but you can run stuff to handle it

[autumn vault]

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 68 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Moonblast
• Encore
• Protect
  This

[tough idol]

@autumn vault with Specs

[autumn vault]

252 SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 180 HP / 68 SpD Whimsicott in Electric Terrain: 87-103 (55 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
What i see

[tough idol]

I added specs

[autumn vault]

it still 2hko's it even with max special attack timid specs

[tough idol]

Modest is

[autumn vault]

its a coin flip

also who the hell will run max sp. attack modest specs?

[molten oasis]

my guy

who is running 252 modest specs miraidon

[tough idol]

I was just running numbers

[molten oasis]

fair

[autumn vault]

Fair enough

[tough idol]

And someone will end up doing it lmao 🤣

[ember linden]

Imma try to make Zama work when it’s time for reg-g

[autumn vault]

They should have made Behemoth Bash calculate damage with it's defense ngl

[solid frigate]

DID SOMEBODY SAID TURTLE

[ember linden]

That would be broken

[autumn vault]

an hour ago yes

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-pokemon-horizons-gif-156283629750569698

[autumn vault]

The existence of zacian is more broken

[ember linden]

Yeah

[autumn vault]

I love how Fuecoco is eating the oran berries and then terapagos starts eating them and fuecoco is like "Bro what are you doing those are mine"

[solid frigate]

Its the same as Quaxly telling Fuecoco to stop eating a burnt Berry

[ember linden]

Zama should get the +1 defense every time it hits the field

[autumn vault]

But Quaxly is a dick, not fuecoco

[solid frigate]

as a person who chose quaxly:

[autumn vault]

I chose fuecoco and that duck should have let it eat the burnt orange

[solid frigate]

lol

i wish Zamazenta Get th Regidrago Treatment,his Brother got nerf but not him(Ik Zacian is a Female)

[molten oasis]

as a restricted pair

no it doesnt deserve the regidrago treatment

[ember linden]

Yes it does you just hate Zama now

[autumn vault]

They are both chads

[solid frigate]

didn't the shield doggo technically got nerfed

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

Yes but it was buffed thx to body press

[gentle crag]

lycopoky has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

lol-

[molten oasis]

first of all

[solid frigate]

that move is really valueable for the doggo

[ember linden]

No way that gave a rep

[molten oasis]

every restricted legend that has somewhat matching abilities are the saem or are slightly different

[autumn vault]

Giratina needs 100 base speed

[ember linden]

The difference is the huge attack stat lol

[molten oasis]

koraidon and miraidon set sun and terrain and get an attack boost in their respective highest attack stat

zekrom and reshiram literally have the same abilities

[solid frigate]

meanwhile Kyurem(Base form):Almost Worthless cuz Black and White Forms are just way better

[autumn vault]

the same as mold breaker

[molten oasis]

zacian and zama have similar abilties to koraidon and miraidon in this case

[solid frigate]

a more in depth,HOW IS CALYREX NOT NERFED

[molten oasis]

zacian gets an attack boost and a form change

zama gets the defense boost

it doesnt make sense to NOT also nerf the boxart counterpart

[autumn vault]

Ice rider was nerfed (Glacial lance 130 bp -> 120 bp) but not calyrex shadow for some reason

[molten oasis]

in regidrago and elekis case, theyre not "technically" direct counterparts

[solid frigate]

bbut still 120 bp without drawback-

[molten oasis]

theyre part of the whole regi group

[ember linden]

I’m all for the 150 attack getting a +1 every time it hits the field, but not Zama

[molten oasis]

so idt it was as necesarry to nerf both eleki and drago

[ember linden]

I don’t care if it’s the direct counterpart it’s not op so don’t nerf it

[molten oasis]

also zama being +1 defense in a physcial metagame sucks

its so annoying to deal with

[solid frigate]

i am still paranoid about Calyrex Shadow that i have to use Light Screen on Whimsicott instead of Fake tears or any support moves

Sorry i just hate the Horse duo

[molten oasis]

so i think the nerf to zama was fair

[autumn vault]

The onion on the horses

[molten oasis]

because its direct counterpart is zac who also got the nerf

[autumn vault]

you saying this with a grain of salt

[solid frigate]

not even Terapagos in my team is a Calyrex Shadow Counter-

cuz it would ran Tera Fighting Tera Blast-

[molten oasis]

no, zama deserved the nerf as well even with it not doing shit

in gen 8

[solid frigate]

sad doggo

[autumn vault]

it did nothing in gen 8

It did not deserve the nerf imo

[molten oasis]

so the box art counterpart should have a "different" ability than zacian

[solid frigate]

lets just say It gets Body Press is the best thing he can get after the nerf on the ability

[autumn vault]

Even with body press Zama is still not that great

[molten oasis]

body press makes it viable

[solid frigate]

Iron Defense,Body Press,Wide Guard,Behemoth Bash?

[ember linden]

If Zama will ever have a time to shine it’ll be with tera so at least there’s that

Nah you’d run protect over wide guard there

[autumn vault]

Not as good as zacian calyrex shadow/ice miraidon terapagos kyogre

[molten oasis]

you really want zama to be meta huh

[solid frigate]

the reason i said that because there are too many spread Moves-

[ember linden]

It could end up running that idk I just think it’s probably better to always be able to protect yourself

[solid frigate]

Kyogre,Both Calyrex Forms,Groudon,Terapagos(After Tera)

i swear there is more

[autumn vault]

Personally there should be 3 formats: 1 with no legends or paradoxes (specifically because of fucker mane), 2 with legends but not restricteds and 3 the one with restricteds

[molten oasis]

uhm

[solid frigate]

uh idk

[molten oasis]

i dont see a reason in getting to choose waht meta you play in

[ember linden]

I want Zama to be good enough to keep up in a format with so many insanely good legendaries

[molten oasis]

with body press it has a chance

[solid frigate]

yeah Vik with that much Power creep-

[molten oasis]

its better than kommo-o

[autumn vault]

also giratina, mewtwo and Ho-oh

[molten oasis]

giratina needs major major buffs to be usable

[willow vault]

Giratina ain’t worth it

[autumn vault]

give it 100 base speed and make shadow force 100 bp no charge (you can select whether you want it physical or special) and also make ghost resist psychic

[solid frigate]

Ho-Oh at least its Consistent,My Boi Giratina is not good enough

i think it should be a physical attacker tho-

[autumn vault]

mewtwo needs more speed less attack

[solid frigate]

Gengar:Finally i am neutral-

[molten oasis]

ho-oh gets sacred fire

[autumn vault]

so does entei

[willow vault]

That last change is an awful idea, Giratina isn’t the only ghost type, if you want to make an individual Pokemon don’t change the type chart

[solid frigate]

thats at least consistent and Brave Bird

[autumn vault]

it doesn't change it too much

[molten oasis]

lets not buff fluttermane thanks

[solid frigate]

You literally make Calyrex and Flutter Mane more BS

[autumn vault]

you know what fuck that

[willow vault]

Like it’s a really bad idea

[solid frigate]

or give Giratina a New Ability

[autumn vault]

Make fairy weak to bug and fire so that way fucker mane is more balanced

make bug and grass resist fairy (i can explain)

[willow vault]

I don’t think you understood my point

[ember linden]

The only type chart changes I want are changes to the ice type

[molten oasis]

fluttermane is balanced with a differetn stat distrubution

thats what pushed it

[autumn vault]

1 resist is so shit ngl

They should have never created flutter mane in the first place

[molten oasis]

the fact a 55hp 55def mon can take a surging strikes from 252 adamtn shifu, crash from sword of ruin jolly pao, and brave bird from 252 adamant gapdos is stupid

AND still hit like a truck and outspeed everything

[solid frigate]

Remember the Videos that Ice always make Molten Lava into Obsidian or magma stuff right? maybe make Fire and Ice are supper effective against Each other

[molten oasis]

it is a very very stupid mon

[autumn vault]

Honestly flutter mane was created by a 12 year old

[willow vault]

Your just malding, just take a break and have fun without flutter

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Calyrex:

[molten oasis]

caly has a real stat spread

fluttermane doesnt

[solid frigate]

at least Incineroar is made by Someone who is normal

[acoustic cloak]

Incineroar almost gave me PTSD when I saw it was going the way of Landorus and becoming mandatory on every team.

At least it is somewhat cool and manageable.

[autumn vault]

Atleast landorus is created by someone who knows what they did, flutter wasn't

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile me who need to face him in Pokemon Competitve and Smash bros:

[acoustic cloak]

Like, nothing against Incineroar, but I am fervently bothered by anything that becomes so centralized.

[willow vault]

I think we all forget, Pokémon is a children’s game first, a competitive game second. Pokemon isn’t built soecifically in the interest of the competitive scene.

[autumn vault]

Although we know this, we are competitive players care about the comp scene

but you do have a good point

[solid frigate]

didn't the director said that its not a kids game- or am i tripping

[ember linden]

Ice should resist grass, bug, poison, ground, electric, and potentially water but arguments can be made.

[autumn vault]

its 7+ iirc, i think that is BS

[solid frigate]

idk i might be tripping

[willow vault]

6 resistances is a bit much

[molten oasis]

ice should not resist THAT many types

[willow vault]

Like 4 or 5 sure, 6 is a lot

[autumn vault]

true

[solid frigate]

Steel:

[acoustic cloak]

Really, ice just needs a water resist. That's it. It'd be far more viable with just that.

[willow vault]

I know

[molten oasis]

i agree with ice grass poison

[autumn vault]

I think it should resist grass, ground, water and poison

[molten oasis]

and water

[ember linden]

I want grass ice poison at least

[molten oasis]

that is fine

[ember linden]

That is a bit much for how good it is offensively

[solid frigate]

Poison is odd but i can see

[willow vault]

Those 3 are good

[molten oasis]

no ground

[acoustic cloak]

Poison is weak enough as is, I don't think we need to make ice resist it as well.

[molten oasis]

just leave it neutral

[autumn vault]

isn't ice solid?

steel is solid and it's immune to poison

[ember linden]

I was thinking of everything it could possibly resist in terms of what those types would do to ice irl

[acoustic cloak]

Can't poison a machine. You can poison water. Ice is frozen water.

[solid frigate]

so water should be weak against that-

[autumn vault]

Ice is still solid, if it melts its water

[acoustic cloak]

Doesn't change its chemical properties. You could still poison ice.

[ember linden]

Yeah poison would just slide off of ice

[autumn vault]

true

[acoustic cloak]

It's just that the poison would be frozen in the ice.

The poison would still be there however.

[solid frigate]

did i saw someone ran max speed Archaludon-

[ember linden]

It wouldn’t be immune bc of that

Was it sturdy?

[acoustic cloak]

Whereas no matter what you try to do to something made out of steel or metal or the like, you will never poison it. It cannot be poisoned.

[autumn vault]

I said resist, not immune

[willow vault]

It should just be neutral

[acoustic cloak]

That said, we need a steel type move that inflicts poison. You know, lead poisoning.

[willow vault]

That clever

[acoustic cloak]

Would also be able to add another steel type stab for some Pokemon to use. Poison stalling is great on a lot of the bulky defensive types steel has.

[solid frigate]

Corrosion

[acoustic cloak]

If Water and Ground can get moves that do burn, Steel can get a move that does poison.

[autumn vault]

I dont think its a good idea since steel has 10 resistences iirc so it can stall pretty easily, plus revavroom exists so its not off the table but i got my point straight, not a great idea but Gamefreak dont care about singles so i wouldn't be too surprised if it happens

[ember linden]

Bro if pecharunt was legal stall might be up to par with the other archetypes

[autumn vault]

I also play singles mind you

[acoustic cloak]

Corrosion is an ability that allows poison type moves to strike steel types. I'm speaking of a steel type move that can poison.

[solid frigate]

oh

[willow vault]

That explains a lot

[acoustic cloak]

My stomping grounds in my competitive career was Gen 4. I was a VGC player.

Always been a VGC player since, even if I no longer go for it seriously.

So doubles are kind of my wheelhouse.

[solid frigate]

Gen 6 for me but i kinda left because gen 8

[acoustic cloak]

So whenever I approach these balance discussions and stuff, I'm usually approaching it from a VGC perspective. Doubles.

[autumn vault]

I aproach it from both perspectives, and i did begin my comp career in singles

[ember linden]

I started gen 9 lol

[acoustic cloak]

Very hyper offense to start with! Hopefully you're having fun.

[solid frigate]

i used to play Smogon but i hate how they being petty on banning everything

[acoustic cloak]

Gen 9 has been a very interesting one.

[molten oasis]

i also started gen 9

[autumn vault]

Why i dont play OU anymore

[acoustic cloak]

Welcome to you too then!

[autumn vault]

Also because of the 10 year olds yapping about Gholdengo and Kingambit being too broken, they are not

[solid frigate]

i start in Gen 6 and yes i am still dumb-

[molten oasis]

dengo is strong, gambit is strong

[acoustic cloak]

They are very good. Yes, but still very beatable.

[molten oasis]

flutter and shifu are broken but beatable

[acoustic cloak]

Kiddos just like to complain.

[mighty stump]

I only started in Gen 8

[molten oasis]

rillaboom hehe

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[autumn vault]

If it was in early OU, i would understand but now there is a lot of counterplay to both so it's a bad decision

[acoustic cloak]

Nothing is more satisfying than one shoting these types with an Electrode.

[willow vault]

I started playing gen 9

[solid frigate]

am i the only one who started in Gen 6-7

[molten oasis]

moxie posted a video on fluttermane, that was fun

[acoustic cloak]

Probably not, but those others may not be here right now.

[ember linden]

I’d say I’ve developed the skills to make good plays I just need to build up experience

[willow vault]

Played a minuscule amount but hated grinding at that point, now I’ve mellowed out a bit, I play far more often

[autumn vault]

I saw it, i loved it so much

[acoustic cloak]

I am likely one of the only ones who started way early.

[molten oasis]

he hit every point on it being stupid

[ember linden]

I’d rather I started gen 9 than dynamax, zmove, or mega formats.

[acoustic cloak]

I first got into competition in Gen 3, and then did VGC in Gen 4. I then played some competition in Gen 5, as well as 6. I decided to retire after that point and focused on coaching instead.

[solid frigate]

me when i love how i just don't use Incineroar at that time when its 80% usage

[acoustic cloak]

So I've been a part-time coach since Gen 7.

[autumn vault]

This is true, i do not think i can mention anything stupid about it that MoxieBoosted didn't say

[solid frigate]

i'm still here in Gen 9,and i kinda still keeping up cuz i did not play Series 1-2

[acoustic cloak]

Nice! Gen 9 has definitely been a trip.

[mighty stump]

Tera > Dmax

[autumn vault]

I also loved the achilles heel -> Achilles jordans example he did

[solid frigate]

Ahhh how i miss gen 6-7 days

[molten oasis]

true

[ember linden]

This

[solid frigate]

Totally AGREE.

[molten oasis]

tera is the best mechanic

[autumn vault]

Agree all the way

[solid frigate]

I hate Dynamax a lot-

[ember linden]

The secondary effect thing with dmax moves blows

[solid frigate]

Tera>Mega>Z-Moves>Dynamax

[autumn vault]

I like it and think it was innovative but it was toxic

Mega evo's could have been amazing if they didn't sell them to popular pokemon, Mawile Bannete and Sableye are examples of needed mega evos

[acoustic cloak]

Tera is definitely the best gimmick for competition. Dynamax was too centralizing outside of Doubles and Mega Evolution shoehorned teams. Z-Moves also killed entire play styles.

[autumn vault]

Z-Moves are literally gen 5 gems but less spammable

[solid frigate]

for me it Tera>Megas=Z-Moves>>>>>Dynamax

[acoustic cloak]

They were of higher power though.

Gems wouldn't let you smash through a check or counter.

Z-Moves could.

[autumn vault]

I used a flying gem on Braviary (lvl 59) (brave bird) on N's reshiram in BW2 once and when it ohko'd i said "this is too broken, i love it"

[solid frigate]

and hits through protect

[acoustic cloak]

Yup.

[solid frigate]

Hisuian Braviary just feels better-

[autumn vault]

granted at the time i didn't play comp but wow the damage is insane

[autumn vault]

It's gen 5, not gen 9

[solid frigate]

ik but i just like Hisuian Braviary

[acoustic cloak]

Yeah. The difference there though is that if someone switched in a counter, then even with the Gem, they take very little damage. Or damage that they could tank. You couldn't do that with Z-Moves.

[autumn vault]

I meant spammable as in "Limitless" but that is also true, limit of 6 gems per team

[acoustic cloak]

Gems aren't limitless either

[molten oasis]

i hope gen 10 doesnt suck with megas but who knows

[acoustic cloak]

They are consumed upon use.

[ember linden]

Do you guys think that dynamax would have been a better format to play in if protect blocked max moves, or would it be too annoying?

[autumn vault]

Limitless as in, you can use more than 1 per battle unlike Z-Moves (good thing)

[acoustic cloak]

If Max moves didn't get a power boost, and only did stats, then they'd be fine.

[ember linden]

Agreed

[molten oasis]

weather control and terrain control was weird

[acoustic cloak]

The stat boosting aspect was fine.

[autumn vault]

agreed

[acoustic cloak]

That adds strategy.

[autumn vault]

They should have given the secondary effects but not the damage buff, HP was pretty obvious

[acoustic cloak]

Weather and terrain control is fine.

It's just the damage they dealt that was too much.

[molten oasis]

well that ontop of boosted damage was stupid

[acoustic cloak]

Especially because it doubled the HP pool of the Pokemon. This means that even frail sweepers could tank hits, and then respond with a very powerful attack that could not be stopped.

Like, the attacks not being able to be blocked by protect is fine. So long as they do not have additional power.

[autumn vault]

iirc even with protect you still took 25% of the damage with dmax

[acoustic cloak]

It's just that they have extra power, and that just made it too much.

Because the doubled HP pool combined with frail attackers who have crazy high attack stats, they just broke the power boosted max moves.

Dynamax was so good that Durant was meta because it could survive Fire attacks.

And had Hustle with a crazy attack stat.

Literally ate entire teams.

Dynamax was so strong, it made Durant of all things a top tier threat.

Let alone all the stronger things that came with DLCs

[mighty stump]

Dynamax had dumb snowball potential and sometimes made games so volatile that it was unpleasant to play sometimes.

[chrome knot]

tera should be the end all be all gimmick

[bold geode]

But megas coming to that Legends game
Lot of people be like "Gen 10 will have megas"

[molten oasis]

well were probably getting megas in gen 10 soo

[acoustic cloak]

That said, I will miss the memes Dynamax brought. Blissey and Shedinja memes were great!

[gentle crag]

aimeeme (ID 334540638567530497)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
IS YOUR TEAM EVEN COMPLETE WITHOUT A 700 HP MAX QUAKING MAX AIRSTREAMING LAND GENIE BREAKING THE META THE WAY POKEMON WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Sep 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

[acoustic cloak]

Oh boy. Landorus is a discussion in and of itself alongside Incineroar.

[molten oasis]

anyone ahve a calm mind raging bolt team that wants to bo3?

i need to practive that mu

[foggy lodge]

I can

[molten oasis]

cool

[foggy lodge]

But on showdown

[molten oasis]

thats fine

[acoustic cloak]

Calm Mind Raging Bolt? Huh. EQ bait for sure.

[molten oasis]

its very commonly paired with rilla so no

[molten oasis]

user?

[acoustic cloak]

I see. I run a slow Indeedee who overrides Rillaboom.

So I rarely have the issue.

[molten oasis]

fair

[acoustic cloak]

And an Electrode with Electric Terrain who can override the Grassy Terrain by going first.

XD

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[acoustic cloak]

Hisuian Electrode, btw, so I can still use the Grassy Terrain.

Chloroblast goes brrr.

[foggy lodge]

Forget it, my internet is bad here, if when i get home you still want to play ping me

[molten oasis]

ok

[autumn vault]

Also Crephace, what does it explain?

[bold geode]

Indeedee always does no matter what

[acoustic cloak]

I mean, I have run a Scarf Indeedee.

Some can be fast and do something.

[bold geode]

Eh not rn

[acoustic cloak]

She is my casual one though.

[bold geode]

Scarf Indeedee ain't really a thing

[acoustic cloak]

One of the fun things about being retired from competitive, is that you get to coach other players, and run funny meme sets.

[mighty stump]

I don't know if that is the most pragmatic approach at coaching someone who wants to improve competitively though

[acoustic cloak]

Oh, I still have competitive teams. Just because I don't actively participate in the circuits, I still watch the games. I still watch the tournaments. I still keep up with the latest meta trends.

It's just that I also don't dedicate my entire life to improving upon the singular meta teams. I can now kick back and enjoy some casual games with others. Have fun with things. Everything that I did not do back when I was a competitive player.

[bold geode]

Tofu how do I become as fucking cracked as you

[molten oasis]

Play the game

Watch regionals

Be better

[mighty stump]

Breathe air

[molten oasis]

Drink water

[autumn vault]

Eat food

[molten oasis]

Sleep

[autumn vault]

Wake up

[bold geode]

Ok master Roshi calm down

[molten oasis]

Do math

[bold geode]

Fuckin Turtle Hermit school way

[autumn vault]

Study (boring af)

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[autumn vault]

Study the meta (serious step)

[mighty stump]

In all seriousness

A degree of proactive structure and rigidity in your gameplan means you control a lot more than you think. As Joe said, Play to win, not to not lose

You should be aware and have reasoning as to why you're committing that action per turn cause it's all resources

A lot of players play reactively or try to only play proactively when they want to make some fancy pointless prediction

[autumn vault]

I trust tofu, he demolished drago twice pretty easily and drago is like pretty good

[molten oasis]

Shut the fuck up

[mighty stump]

LOL

[acoustic cloak]

I mean, Tofu is right on the mark though.

[bold geode]

Actually hold on

[molten oasis]

That was uncalled for man

[mighty stump]

That is the funniest shit I have read today

[bold geode]

Something Jeudy made for prep

[molten oasis]

And yea tofu is better than me I expect that

Playing against better players is helpful

[mighty stump]

Most helpful thing to is to find a regular dedicated group

Easier said than done

[bold geode]

It's tournament though that Jeudy made this for, but I figured it'd be helpful

[molten oasis]

Yea took me a while to find one

[acoustic cloak]

Having some trusted ears to sit in and watch your games in a call, as mentioned there, is also huge.

In general, others can see things you might miss or not consider.

[bold geode]

Nah I just send replays to Tofu so he can roast me over a fire

[molten oasis]

See if I’m supported to use things that are worse im good

[acoustic cloak]

I know in my Gen 4 runs, I had a friend who would spend hours with me running over teams and games.

[molten oasis]

generally hate that Primarina cna be outclassed in every way except spread water damage because flutter fuck exists

[autumn vault]

Hello fellow fucker mane hater

Sylveon fans relate to you

[molten oasis]

The like 1 other thing it has going for it is better physical defense

[autumn vault]

And tr

[molten oasis]

Not even

[acoustic cloak]

It may be controversial, but I'd watch some of Wolfey's tournament plays with weird picks (like Magmar, Weezing, and Exeggutor). He walks over his team building to explain how he supports these (usually) subpar options.

[molten oasis]

I think Prima is kinda eh in tr

[autumn vault]

I use magmar for follow me and burns, its useful af

[molten oasis]

Well I mean, Prima does have its own thing (I think flutter is a nuke button not a set up Mon)

[acoustic cloak]

You can definitely find a way to make Primarina work, but you do need to build the team with its profile in mind.

[bold geode]

Live Flutter
All hail the queen

[molten oasis]

And (for the gen) unique typing

I have a team with it

https://pokebin.com/8cd89259eafa2e7c

[autumn vault]

I use regigigas and i make it work with weezing

[acoustic cloak]

Then lots of practice with it. Have someone else watch your games.

[molten oasis]

Bolt is getting a rework in evs and dengo is Tera dragon

People do not really see my play no

[acoustic cloak]

I'd find some of the competition folks here and have them watch some games with you.

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 the team i use (want to replace fucker mane for moth and remove incin for therian)

[acoustic cloak]

We're a resource. I'm sure some of us would be glad to offer input!

[molten oasis]

yea, I know the teams mu’s decently well

raging bolt with calm mind double fo is an ass mu

[autumn vault]

Honestly tomorrow i will play several matches with a meta team and truly test my skill and then let humans judge it to roast me

[acoustic cloak]

Can you possibly get a Covert Cloak in there anywhere to stop the Fake Out flinch?

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2089544929-2rdqgumz4ea4cie7ie1854n798t95r5pw
An example on how i play

[molten oasis]

There’s nowhere to really slot covert cloak

Maybe on prim ig

Dengo helps but incin is a problem if I bring it

hmm, I have gapdos

Gapdos takes tclap without a boost

dengo gapdos, probably hearth, and bolt maybe

[acoustic cloak]

Could also look to find Psychic Terrain support, or add in an Armor Tail Farigiraf or Queenly Majesty Tsareena, though those are not the greatest options.

[molten oasis]

Its mostly bolt that’s the problem

[next stump]

I feel like Farigiraf > Gholdengo solves that matchup because you can just lead Incin alongside Farig and go for TR stuff

You also have have the threat of Zapdos + Farig and if they ever lead Incin into that they’re fucked

[acoustic cloak]

Yeah, a Trick Room angle could potentially solve the bulk of the issues.

[molten oasis]

hmm

[autumn vault]

Trick room does look good for Primarina

[acoustic cloak]

Gholdengo and Incineroar also work well in Trick Room.

[autumn vault]

And bolt could use it to some extent

[solid frigate]

Any Alola Starters tend to be good with Trick Room-

[molten oasis]

Oh, well also thah lead works for rilla

Gapdos wipes it

[acoustic cloak]

Stops Grassy Glide too.

[autumn vault]

G-Zapdos murders the FO spammers with farig

[molten oasis]

And then it can’t get tclapped by bolt

[acoustic cloak]

Farigiraf's Armor Tail is really strong.

[autumn vault]

Armor Tail is busted

[molten oasis]

and admittedly dengo has not been very strong

[acoustic cloak]

Armor Tail and Queenly Majesty are just such good abilities.

Stopping priority is huge.

[solid frigate]

i just love and Hate them at the same time

[next stump]

gholdengo in theory is great if you can bait out the tera fairy but your team doesn’t really pressure raging bolt into tera’ing

[autumn vault]

Psychic terrain also stops priority spam but rillaboom exists so no it isn't as good

[molten oasis]

Yea I can’t without bolt being there as well

[solid frigate]

and Ice Spinner exists

[molten oasis]

Alr, I’ll try Fari

[autumn vault]

Gl on your testing

[molten oasis]

Dengo was also added for dnite

So, Fari helps there too

[bold geode]

Two giraffe

[acoustic cloak]

Farigiraf sounds like it solves a lot of matchup problems for you, potentially. That's good team role compression.

[next stump]

I will say that playing into calm mind bolt with farigarif is still hard, mostly because once they got off even a single boost you’re really not doing a ton of damage

but it’s playable

knock off the leftovers with incin, chip it down with gleam or hyper voice, etc.

[acoustic cloak]

Yeah. Calm Mind turns are free Knock Offs for you.

[molten oasis]

Well it felt impossible with incin threatening dengo

[mighty stump]

Calm Mind + Solo TClap is such a cheeks set

You get walled by quite a few things

[molten oasis]

Tera fairy Fari lol

[autumn vault]

With my sand team Bolt + Incineroar + Rillaboom isn't a bad mu

clear amulet excadrill murders incin and walls bolt

For boom i use tornadus and G-Zapdos

[solid frigate]

Excadrill only has 0.1%

[bold geode]

Calm Mind Bolt is also a bitch of a set
Only have 4 slots, but you effectively want 5 moves

[autumn vault]

Nah i dont care

plus flutter, bolt and incin dont do too good into excadrill

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/aa889f3788afed50 thoughts?

[autumn vault]

With incin it has to hold clear amulet

I like the team Drago

[mighty stump]

Speaking of Flutter

You know Drago

That Flutter lived Tera Fire Fusion Flare in Sun

[bold geode]

YAY 18+ SCAM IN ANOTHER SERVER
That's like the 5th time this week

[mighty stump]

Lmaoo

[autumn vault]

I havent seen any myself

[bold geode]

I hate just randomly getting 10+ pings for that shit
Discord has been bad lately with like
Hacking I guess

[autumn vault]

Have you set up 2FA? I did yesterday just to be safe

[molten oasis]

Yea

Wtf

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/8756b44afe70acb0 thoughts?

[molten oasis]

@bold geode thoughts?

[solid frigate]

what the actual fu-

[molten oasis]

Still don’t like houndstone

[autumn vault]

this set has been pretty good for me ngl

[bold geode]

You're asking me?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[autumn vault]

Poltergeist is what it needed to shine, Last respects is worse, poltergeist can actually threaten when an ally hasn't fainted yet unlike LR

[bold geode]

Looks fine, what I would've done
Although Protect on the Throat Spray set might be better than Helping Hand, idk up to preference

[mighty stump]

Lul

[bold geode]

Forgot you didn't have Knock Off

[autumn vault]

My farigiraf is actually calc'd to survive wicked blow adamant, or jolly i dont remember

[molten oasis]

Yea, I’m wisp cuz paonite was giving me issues

Do we think throat spray should have protect or helping hand what are the thoughts for that?

[solid frigate]

depends if you want to play it safe

i guess

[molten oasis]

That’s not helpful

[solid frigate]

yea ik. i am suck at giving ideas

i just use Protect,Dazzling Gleam,Hyper Voice and Psychic

if i don't use Trick room that is

[molten oasis]

I want tr

[bold geode]

He wants Kanye

I love Hard Kanye teams

[solid frigate]

Trick Room,Protect,Hyper Voice,Psychic

[autumn vault]

Opinions pls

[molten oasis]

Looks fine

[autumn vault]

I will make a rental version after the GC3 because bolt is holding goggles instead of AV and it has the wrong ev spread

[crimson flume]

Still building the pokepaste. Only had time now. Been busy with PLA for a majority of this month. xD

I copied Herbie's EV spread for Crown and Torn. For Lando, I have no one to copy from, so I just used the most utilized EV spread on pykalitics.

Tera Water on Crown according to statistics has the highest usage this season.... Tera Ground has worked well so far for me, I'll change if I need more coverage.

Jesus. I'm studying the old chats, and this has aged like fine wine.

[dull ibex]

hello

[molten oasis]

Hi

[willow vault]

Hi

[crimson flume]

Glad to see Farigiraf getting more attention. I also won accidentally with a farigiraf in my team. But my farigiraf was using hyper voice for damage.
Copied the build from Wolfe Glicke's charlotte team.

[autumn vault]

Hi

[autumn vault]

Do you like my team?

[crimson flume]

Sorry, pokepaste link?

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/8756b44afe70acb0

[crimson flume]

I've been on hiatus from violet for a majority of this month. Trying to catch up.

Oh wait. Lycopocky! It's you. 😄

Yeah, I don't understand the team. My brain is stuck with iron crown lol.

[autumn vault]

How did you not realize it was me

[crimson flume]

You changed your pfp and your name lol.

[willow vault]

Sand go burrr

[autumn vault]

I still have Lycopoky in it

[crimson flume]

Yeah only realized now. MB. XD

[crimson flume]

Does Raging Bolt fit in My Crown - Torn - Lando core team?

[autumn vault]

Yes

AV bolt specifically

[crimson flume]

As a dragon type lover, I want to include at least 1 dragon in my team lol.

AV? What's the build...

[willow vault]

Including raging bolt, it’s quite a lot of ice weaknesses, beware of chien-pao

[autumn vault]

If i were you Orange i would include an ice resist

[crimson flume]

Oh crap. Yeah.

Hmmm. Tera Water crown...

[autumn vault]

I will change my username and pfp back to zekrom when the restricted meta comes, for now i embrace my favourite pokemon and 3rd favourite legend

[crimson flume]

Yeah. I remember you as Zekrom - Lycopocky.

[autumn vault]

That nose looks like it

[crimson flume]

I thought you were his brother or something lol.

[crimson flume]

Yeah. Can't wait to start using the infamous calyrex shadow.

[autumn vault]

My brother doesn't use discord at all

Unlike me

[prime hazel]

Can some one help me i need to get better at Ranked but i keep losing i played 3 matches and all of them i lost i use legendary Pokémon but they are not good to the other trainer's do u guys got some good recommondations for ranked team's or strategy's?

[crimson flume]

Hmmm... Who is a good candidate... Fire/Water/Ice/Steel...

[autumn vault]

Use meta pokemon

[crimson flume]

The only one that comes to mind ....

[autumn vault]

A team very meta

[crimson flume]

Water Pon

[prime hazel]

Meta?

What's that?

[willow vault]

Urshifu-r

[autumn vault]

The most common pokemon

[prime hazel]

Ow ok

[crimson flume]

Ah nice. I already have a trained R-Urshifu.

[autumn vault]

Such as flutter mane urshifu ogerpon amoonguss etc

[prime hazel]

I have 1 of them lol

The only one that u named that i have is Flutter Mane

[autumn vault]

I reccomend to get advice from the competitive helpers here in this chat

[prime hazel]

Ok thx!!

[dull ibex]

he is one

[crimson flume]

Crown - Torn - Lando - Rapid Urshifu - Incineroar - Raging Bolt.... hmmm....

[willow vault]

Outside of flutter mane, what pokemon do you have?

[prime hazel]

Shiny Mewtwo shiny zekrom every Shiny Legendary

[crimson flume]

Last season I usually change teams after every 3 matches, that really tired me out.. lol... Hopefully I can get a fixed team this season win or lose.

[willow vault]

Well we can’t use any of those right now, however we will likely have a restricteds (box art legendaries + a couple others) format.

[prime hazel]

Ok

[willow vault]

What else?

[crimson flume]

For now, you can use rental teams.

[willow vault]

Oh yeah good point

[crimson flume]

I'm just stubborn about building my own teams when I was new. Lmao.

But you don't have to do what I did. xD

[bold geode]

Wow I can't believe that

[willow vault]

@prime hazel are you interested in playing vgc (doubles) or singles. Dependent on what you say, changes what’s good

[crimson flume]

I still count myself as a humble beginner. Laughs in Rank 27.3K Master last season.

[prime hazel]

I often play doubles

[willow vault]

Ok

[prime hazel]

Sometimes singles for practise

Then i hop on doubles

[crimson flume]

Singles and doubles are very different playstyles. Singles can take up to 100 + turns too, as far as I've heard.

[willow vault]

When playing do you prefer to use faster paced teams, or more slower paced balance teams?

[prime hazel]

Idk what u mean by that? Sorry I'm still learning about the pvp stuff😅

[willow vault]

That’s ok

[crimson flume]

Everyone starts somewhere.

[prime hazel]

True

[crimson flume]

But yeah for starters, use rental teams.

[prime hazel]

Ok

[crimson flume]

Building a team yourself is a pain in the arse.

[prime hazel]

I know🤣

[dull ibex]

are playing doubles?

[willow vault]

Also you need to know a lot to do so effectively

[prime hazel]

Yeah

[dull ibex]

goodstuffs 😎

[crimson flume]

I just go kakashi mode and copy people who have done it already. Not enough brain juice to discover a new team lol.

[dull ibex]

if you ever want practice matches lmk!

[prime hazel]

Ow yeah that would be amazing thx

[dull ibex]

np just ping and ill play if im available

[crimson flume]

Thanks @autumn vault I'll use your EV spread for RB. XD

[gentle crag]

orange_uva has given 1 Gen Rep to lycopoky

[bold geode]

6 is wasting EVs

Although wait

[crimson flume]

I just literally use up the remaining EVs lol

[ember linden]

It’s not wasting it’s just for looks it only needs 4

[bold geode]

-calc 116+92+252+44+6

[gentle crag]

Result: 510.000000

[crimson flume]

Even if there is no reason to lol

[bold geode]

Oh lmao

Ngl I think you want more bulk with Bolt

I don't see a lot run max modest

Also on Landorus, what's the set?

[autumn vault]

if you want max damage go with my spread, if you want less damage more bulk go 196+ special attack and 100 special defense

its up to you

i personally found a lot of success with mine but drago has found success with his own

[willow vault]

Are you planning on playing on showdown or on switch online for scarlet and violet?

[molten oasis]

When did you adjust the bolt spread?

[autumn vault]

when i wanted the max possible damage without sacrificing too much bulk

[crimson flume]

Wait. How do you transfer from showdown to pokepaste again?

[molten oasis]

I thought you took mine a while back? Also you do not need max special attack

At all

[willow vault]

Import and export button, copy and paste into pokepaste

[polar canyon]

Just fought a lefties chien pao and scarf volcarona

[molten oasis]

tf

[bold geode]

Should be a button at the bottom when you look at the whole team in the teambuilder

[autumn vault]

I died of cringe while reading this

[prime hazel]

Switch online on violet

[willow vault]

what, my brain very confused

Ok

[bold geode]

Also

[gentle crag]

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[bold geode]

Right here