competitive_discussion

[slender zephyr]

[next stump]

no it’s not

[stray pawn]

Okay, because I was watching a Wolfey video where he claimed to run that set and I was trying to figure out if he was just yapping or if I was tripping.

[slender zephyr]

Spanish?

[foggy lodge]

Si

Mamaguevo triplehijueputa

[slender zephyr]

😔

[bold geode]

It's probably the set for Charlotte

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/90485397365247fd
What are some needed changes?

Should i change tyranitar's tera to flying?

[little plank]

You guys think this meta is to aggressive for a perish trap team?

I got to top 500 with one 2 months ago, but this meta seems like it would be rather tough.

[autumn vault]

I think with incineroar, perish trap teams can succeed

[little plank]

This was the team I ran with

[foggy lodge]

I think with Ting-Lu and Incineroar there are better tools for it to work

[foggy lodge]

Scream Tail would be good

And also it's probably Scream Tail's only niche now lol

[little plank]

Yeah I could see scream tail, incin, goth, amoongus having a pretty nasty core

[foggy lodge]

Also Gholdengo would be good

I think that Good as gold make him inmune to perish song

[foggy lodge]

I think it's fine

The biggest problem of sand teams is just that

Sand teams haven't got any result in this regulation

But i think sand teams still are at least solid

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2086970791 very interesting snorlax team here tbh

but he they forgot costar

[little plank]

I ran a gmax snorlax team almost all through swsh lol speed swap calirex was awesome

[timber falcon]

wished i started playing compet in gen8 to view all that chaos

[foggy lodge]

No you don't want it

It was horrible

[timber falcon]

cant be that bad

[foggy lodge]

It was

Rillaboom grassy glide with 70 BP💀

Regieleki in general

The two Calyrex, Zacian, Kyogre

And Incineroar

[timber falcon]

i mean soon well be having thise guys back, with being able to change type and gain stab with other moves

[atomic mural]

it was at fault on the editors part.

just look at the weezing video

it showed 60 attack evs on flutter in the infographic about the spread

which it obviously didnt run

[autumn vault]

Zacian and Eleki have been nerfed

[molten oasis]

Zacian is still good tho

[timber falcon]

leki was nerfed???

[timber falcon]

oh and do u have any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/cbdad1e0ee40202f

[molten oasis]

Looks good

Just, shifu better

[foggy lodge]

Kingambit tends to run Kowtow Cleave and sucker punch

Depeding only in sucker punch as your dark type stab is risky

[timber falcon]

For this team I find iron head vital. 1. Fairy coverage 2. Ice types, A9 teams I’ve been seeing a lot more than usual so I do like gambit with iron head to threaten

[craggy dagger]

its completely valid to have iron head and sucker punch

i dont know about that incin spread though

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah I gotta change the tera

Although I clutched a game recently from tera fire flare blitz lol

[craggy dagger]

its just to my knowledge, incin wants a little attack

[timber falcon]

So like 4?

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[timber falcon]

Ok I’ll edit it a bit

[craggy dagger]

i would add a little into speed to to make it a 5EV

rather than an awkward 4 EV

[timber falcon]

Gotcha

Also I just realised bolt it missing half its evs, but basically it’s the spread I got from Drago

[craggy dagger]

haha

its fine-
we all make those mistakes :>

[timber falcon]

OH MY LORD IVE ACTUALLY BEEN RUNNING THIS BOLT FOR MANY GAMES TOO

[craggy dagger]

xD

[foggy lodge]

Hey someone knows this page of showdown?

[bold geode]

See you've switched it up

[foggy lodge]

It's a one where you can see what pokemon the rival brought to the match, which one did you brought, the teras used

I think it's good to have a better gameplan against certain match ups

[bold geode]

Also @timber falcon drop Swords Dance for Kowtow and go Black Glasses Dragon Tera
Trust

[timber falcon]

Okidoki

[foggy lodge]

I was thinking and do you see posible a regulation without tera?

[bold geode]

Eh maybe

[gentle crag]

treeco. (ID 669294124649676800)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
dude i want a s10 equivalent of swsh. give us a non tera format

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Mar 21, 2024, 3:51 AM

[rustic mountain]

u see the vision

[bold geode]

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah they did one without dynamax back then
That would be interesting

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c6a35f1599287bb2 final product, i decided to stick with fairy tera for npw though

[rustic mountain]

nd it was the best swsh format

[craggy dagger]

it wasn’t bad
i’ll say that much

[rustic mountain]

wat format would u say was the best

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz it got rid of the shit mechanic

[rustic mountain]

i mean i started comp w/ dmax so i dont outright hate it but its not a mechanic i wouldve liked to keep playing with lol

[craggy dagger]

before restricted tbh.
it’s always the most fun cause you get to experiment with new pokemon from said regions the most

[rustic mountain]

i joined in at like the end of series 4 so didnt get much of it, seemed fun tho. i wish the regional dex format in sv lasted longer

[craggy dagger]

but i actually didn’t play vgc as much in swsh and i think when i started was when series 14 started?

[rustic mountain]

gotcha

[craggy dagger]

actually when was the 25th anni special tourney thingy take place, cause i think i started right after that

cause i vividly remember iron ball fling groudon paired next to scarfed entei

[rustic mountain]

[craggy dagger]

weather wars back then

too bad lando T isn’t relevant in sv as much anymore…
it was fun having max airstream intimidate

[rustic mountain]

idt that was too common lmao i remember a few other items for groudon being more popular but yea weather wars were def a thing

lando t is weird into the current meta its not even bad

i think itll get better wen restricteds come in

[craggy dagger]

now we’ll have weather and terrain wars

[craggy dagger]

oh iron ball groudon was a tech i picked up from wolfey’s team for the pokemon 25th special anni whatever tourney he used

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

[foggy lodge]

I GOT TO MASTER RANK LET'S GOO

[atomic mural]

Nice

[craggy dagger]

[gentle crag]

stargazer_nova has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[tough idol]

I will begin that grind again in 9 days lol 😆

[solid frigate]

I STILL NEED TO REQUIRE ONE

[little plank]

This guy didn't seem happy

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2087112485

[livid vine]

Everyone suggest a Pokemon, first 6 unique ones becomes my team

[atomic mural]

miraidon

if you cant use restricteds, scizor

[little plank]

Politoad

[molten oasis]

Oof

[livid vine]

Damn they nerfed Politoed he doesn't get Scald anymore 😦

[little plank]

Muddy water though!

[solid frigate]

Landorus

Incarnate

[little plank]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2087120708

Ohhhh big W

[empty sandal]

how can outrage be faster then dragon darts?

[next stump]

the move itself has nothing to do with speed

it just matters what pokemon used it

[empty sandal]

myb priority move?

[next stump]

dragon darts is not priority

[empty sandal]

then the game is rigged

[next stump]

neither is outrage

[empty sandal]

then the game is rigged

[dapper crag]

Move: Dragon Darts

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. In Double Battles, this move attempts to hit the targeted Pokemon and its ally once each. If hitting one of these Pokemon would be prevented by immunity, protection, semi-invulnerability, an Ability, or accuracy, it attempts to hit the other Pokemon twice instead. If this move is redirected, it hits that target twice.

Type

Dragon

Category

Physical

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[empty sandal]

literally my dragapult was defeated by a that paradox fire pokemon thats entei

that has base speed 95

[next stump]

that pokémon can be faster with a booster energy

[livid vine]

Speed booster

[next stump]

a lot of them, almost all of them, are booster energy to boost their speed

[empty sandal]

but still its 60 points

more on speed plus my dragapult is trained for full speed

[next stump]

they can still be faster if they also invest in speed

[empty sandal]

so how much it boosts?

[next stump]

+1, or 1.5 times

[livid vine]

164 EVs Jolly Gouging Fire with Speed Booster has 217 Speed, 4 points more than 252 Jolly Dragapult

[empty sandal]

f

how is that even allowed in game

[bold geode]

Lmao
I'm just surprised a Gouging Fire is using Outrage

[empty sandal]

me too lol

[livid vine]

Outrage Gouging Fire is insane yeah

Guess they were doing a more aggressive set apart from the standard support set?

[empty sandal]

like i knocked 2 of his pokes

with iron moth

and then he just outspeed anything i threw with that crap poke

[livid vine]

BASED

Iron Moth is so cool I

want to use it but can't find a team that it fits

[empty sandal]

its great sp attacked for me

attacker*

i gave it energy ball, dazzling gleam, sludge wave and fiery dance

u can cover almost everything with that

[livid vine]

What item do you run?

[empty sandal]

booster energy

timid nature, full evs to speed and sp attack

its good all rounder

for typeing

[livid vine]

If you have other special attackers Acid Spray is an option too

[empty sandal]

i usually use 2 physical attackers and one sp

either flutter mane or iron moth

physicals i swap based on what i see from enemy

i dont really like long battles lol

[livid vine]

Plus always consider squeezing Protect into your movesets. Dropping Dazzling for Protect is probably the play, Protect can just win games

[empty sandal]

gets boring and annoying for me so i dont use those protect and substitute with status damage and healing crap

idk somehow i get bored by protect

but ur right if i had protect i couldve stoped him

whats the chance for protect to fail

after first time used?

[livid vine]

1/3x chance Protect succeeds, where x is equal to the number of times Protect is used consecutively

so after using it once Protect becomes a 1/3

[empty sandal]

well thats good odds

[livid vine]

triple protect is 1/9

[empty sandal]

couldve stoped him 2 times lets say

[cyan smelt]

Double protects are funny

[livid vine]

I think I saw a match where someone got two Doubles on the same turn

[cyan smelt]

That person should buy a lotto ticket

[empty sandal]

but wait

what after i stop his move first time

how is that gonna help

then were back at same stuff

[next stump]

i think i’ve only ever seen one triple protect in one of my games

[empty sandal]

like there was dude once

drove me crazy with substitute and protect

and heal

plus leftovers

[livid vine]

Taunt is an easy way to stop that

[cyan smelt]

Landorus can do substitute and protect

[empty sandal]

cant remember what poke he had but it wasnt some legendary

[cyan smelt]

Dondozo?

[empty sandal]

yes

[livid vine]

Dozo runs sub now?

[empty sandal]

i think that might be it

not 100% sure tho

[cyan smelt]

Just remember that sound based moves bypass sub

[empty sandal]

oh sory

it was umbreon

[cyan smelt]

I don't think I've seen an Umbreon run substitute before

[livid vine]

Same here, usually its Wish Protect

and thats for singles

[cyan smelt]

Snarl foul play

[empty sandal]

it had wish

and leftovers

[cyan smelt]

I usually don't see it with wish either, usually it's moonlight

[next stump]

regional stream tomorrow it’s been so long since the last one

[livid vine]

Almost every Knock Off user outstpeeds Umbreon though, right? So you can remove the Leftovers

[empty sandal]

i dont use knock off lol

like issue is its 3v3

[livid vine]

oh this is singles then

[empty sandal]

yeah

and then its hard to judge what strat someone can use

[livid vine]

That makes sense why Gouging Fire had Outrage then

[empty sandal]

yep

[livid vine]

Speed Booster Iron Moth might help a lot

[empty sandal]

u cant speed boost iron moth?

if it has quark drive for ability

[livid vine]

252 Spd 132 SpAtk 124 Def

[empty sandal]

it always boosts sp attack

[livid vine]

if youre doing 252 252, go Specs instead

[empty sandal]

yea my evs on iron moth are full speed and full sp attack

[livid vine]

You'll get more damage from Specs

[empty sandal]

is the ability then useless?

[livid vine]

Pretty much yes. To use it effectively you'll want to boost Speed with your EVs

[empty sandal]

and choice specs force me to use only one move

also what do you think for dragapult, is the life orb go to?

tbh violet is my first poke game that i play comp

[livid vine]

Choice items in singles are nuts.

Either Life Orb or Choice Band is good here.

If they dont bring a Fire resist you threaten Specs Overheat. While not Chi-Yu levels of nuclear damage it'll still hurt

[empty sandal]

cool, what would be your team in singles?

[livid vine]

What ruleset?

Reg F I assume?

[empty sandal]

yea

[livid vine]

Urshifu Single Strike with Sash/Scarf.
Wicked Blow, Sucker Punch, Close Combat, U-Turn

Iron Moth with Booster Energy for Speed.
Fiery Dance, Sludge Wave, Coverage move of choice, Substitute/Tera Blast

And in singles, hazards are broken. So either a spinner or a hazard setter (bulky Smeargle fits the bill here)

[foggy lodge]

I was talking in a server about tera depedant mons and they told me that typing it's the least important thing in this gen and they gave me as example of pokemon with bad typing Landorus, Scizor and Garchomp

[empty sandal]

hm cool

what about urshifu, iron moth and dragonite?

[solid frigate]

my lord i left the most unhinged chat ever...

[livid vine]

Dragonite, go Choice Band Tera Normal. Extreme Speed is bonkers, though you may find more success with Multiscale over Inner Focus

[solid frigate]

Eh all 3 typing are just mid

[foggy lodge]

Steel bug is a really good typing

You are only weak to fire

It's a X4 weakness but it's still just one weakness

[solid frigate]

yeah but you literally put it with Lando and Garchie which you said bad types-

Ground Flying and Ground Dragon ain't that bad

[foggy lodge]

No they are far from bad

No single type mon could actually resist Lando in theory

[livid vine]

A Pokemon with a bad typing would be Frosmoth.

[solid frigate]

STAB at least

[foggy lodge]

But the problem is that Lando doesn't learn ay good flying move so

[solid frigate]

yeah exactly

[foggy lodge]

But ground flying is a good typing

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

T-Tar as well

[bold geode]

I've deadass had "Tera Flying Blast" run in my head

[solid frigate]

make it as Biden Blast Meme But with Lando I or Lando T

[foggy lodge]

A good example that they gave me was Hisuian Arcanine

Because Hisuian Arcanine actually has a bad typing lol

[solid frigate]

Water and Ground man

[foggy lodge]

And it's still a good mon

[bold geode]

Tbh
Thundurus doing Max Airstream kinda looks like a Biden Blast vibe

[foggy lodge]

But i don't feel like Hisuian Arcanine is THAT tera dependant

[solid frigate]

its based on its Stats and Movepool and Abillity

[bold geode]

Or Tornadus using Icy Wind

[solid frigate]

wait lemme take a look

holy crap lol

[solid frigate]

little bit mid but nichie

[chrome knot]

decent

[cyan smelt]

Enamorus-i has caused me some problems in the past

[solid frigate]

at least the Genies are still very good

[cyan smelt]

How come springtide storm isn't boosted by weather?

Is it because it's got higher base accuracy?

[craggy dagger]

its really good in tr since its slow-

stupid question-
are spec passes for events valid day 1 and 2 or just day 2

[next stump]

both days

[craggy dagger]

[leaden sierra]

Does anyone want to have a multi battle with my teammate and I?

[dull ibex]

I return

[acoustic cloak]

Welcome back!

[dull ibex]

Hello

[craggy dagger]

yo

[old tulip]

Is it worth it with the current meta to run will o wisp on my hisuian Zoroark over grass knot?

I feel like grass knot only deals with Ting Lu and Dondozo
Besides that I feels like it's not doing great for me coverage wise

[cyan smelt]

Most dondozos run tera grass or tera fairy anyway so grass knot isn't great

You should try running lando to deal with dondozos, tera poison, sub and sludge bomb

[old tulip]

The current moveset is

Nasty plot
Grass knot
Shadow ball
Hyper voice

Focus sash
252 - SpA Speed
4 - Sped

[cyan smelt]

If you're running sash you should definitely run comeuppance

[old tulip]

What is that move again? Been awhile since I heard the name!

[cyan smelt]

No decreased priority move and it doesn't matter if it's physical or special damage, it deals 1.5x damage back

[old tulip]

Wont it fail if I outspeed?

OH WAIT!

ITS JUST THE LAST OPPONENT WHO HIT ME

Not in the turn

[cyan smelt]

You usually use it to ko flutter manes

[old tulip]

Wait its goated! Thanks for the suggestion!

[cyan smelt]

Yw

[old tulip]

@cyan smelt should I change any other moves?

[cyan smelt]

Seems like a pretty standard Moveset to me

[old tulip]

Do not know if the nasty plot is over kill, But sometimes I feel I lack so much damage even with a +special attack nature

[cyan smelt]

Zoroark isn't made to stick around, if you feel you can safely setup then go for it imo

[old tulip]

Cool cool! You rock!

[cyan smelt]

You should definitely have a mon that's fake out bait so you can setup safely

[old tulip]

You know it!

[molten oasis]

Baxcalibur is so bulky with snow

I love it lol

[cyan smelt]

Usually I see Articuno with ninetales

[timber falcon]

cause thats what it needs to be viable, unless u see the odd abomasnow

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but I mean bax kinda fell off a bit

[mighty stump]

So many things are viable atm

[timber falcon]

smeargle?

[craggy dagger]

no

[ember linden]

Smeargle’s place rn is usually on gimmicky teams. I don’t think it’s unviable.

[autumn vault]

Smeargle relies too much on Moody imo

[ember linden]

But better than something like an incineroar, amoon, or rilla? No.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 235: Smeargle

Type

Normal

Abilities

Own Tempo, Technician, Moody (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/20/35/20/45/75

Total

250

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[autumn vault]

smeargle has the best movepool in the entire game but it's typing and stats are shit

[ember linden]

Well yeah you can’t have all that with no draw back

[autumn vault]

true

but we have incin

[ember linden]

I mean hell if I know they created Urshifu but we can hope.

Only archetype that isn’t considered gimmicky that I could see smeargle on is HO

Since it can decorate, die and then you can bring in chien or chi-yu or smth

I don’t think something with THAT many tools can be unviable

Smeargle evolution would be sick ngl

If they gave smeargle an evo with a solid speed stat, same-ish bulk, and let it keep the big move pool I think it would be phenomenal.

Spore on like a base 115 speed stat would be crazy.

[cyan smelt]

I still blame smeargle for dark void nerf

[ember linden]

I mean it’s well deserved

[dapper crag]

Move: Dark Void

Causes the target to fall asleep. This move cannot be used successfully unless the user's current form, while considering Transform, is Darkrai.

Type

Dark

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

50

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[ember linden]

I forget what the original one was I just remember it being broken

[cyan smelt]

It's darkrai's signature move, all they needed to do was make it so smeargle couldn't learn it

[ember linden]

Ik that

I was checking if it could sleep both mons in a doubles sense

[cyan smelt]

It can

[ember linden]

Like in one turn?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[ember linden]

What so it was nerfed from 100% accuracy to 50%?

[cyan smelt]

I think it was 80% accuracy

[ember linden]

Yeah fuck that LOL

[cyan smelt]

If we get a mythical format then people are gonna be using gravity+ dark void

[patent marsh]

Should've kept it and still let smeargle learn it

[cyan smelt]

Nah smeargle is annoying enough without dark void

[patent marsh]

How though rn it's just a worse amoonguss with fake out maybe

[cyan smelt]

Burning bulwark too

[patent marsh]

It's not that bad

A lot more managable than unnerfed dark void

[cyan smelt]

It's bad because it lets muk set up

[timber falcon]

Isn’t darkrai banned anyways?

[patent marsh]

Just bring back urshifu

[cyan smelt]

Yeah darkrai is banned

[patent marsh]

Smeargle could learn it before

So even with the ban in place it didn't matter no?

Now that I think about it

Surely gen 10 they release an intimidate for special attack and funny urshifu special attacker clone

[timber falcon]

I mean we don’t need that cause of AV no?

[autumn vault]

Only one pokemon can use the Assault Vest per team

besides special attackers are more priviledged than physical attackers

they should have kept frostbite (which cuts special attack by half) instead of freeze

[timber falcon]

Frostbite?

[autumn vault]

its from PLA

[timber falcon]

Oh ok I didn’t even know that’s what it did lol

[autumn vault]

they should have kept drowsy instead of sleep

Drowsy makes you take more damage and 33% of the time do nothing

[timber falcon]

Does it mess with speed?

[autumn vault]

no

[timber falcon]

Then it would be pretty interesting

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/b884dc2638f78d45 opinions?
I ev'd tyranitar and houndstone and they are complete

poltergeist is better for damage

[timber falcon]

What is houndstone calced for? Speed wise

[autumn vault]

Calced to outspeed scarf jolly urshifu in sand

130 -> 260

[timber falcon]

Modest?

I’ll assume u ment adamant

[autumn vault]

where do you see modest

It should be on bolt

[timber falcon]

Am I tripping?

[autumn vault]

probably yes

where did you see modest on?

[timber falcon]

No no on what u said

[timber falcon]

Here

[autumn vault]

oh right

fixed it

[timber falcon]

Oh ok so it outspeeds jolly

So can houndstone take out rilla effectively?

[autumn vault]

no but it can neuter it with will o wisp

[timber falcon]

Cause I’m not seeing much ways to get rid of it except Wil o wisp

[autumn vault]

i think i need ice punch on tyranitar instead of high horsepower just for it and landorus

[timber falcon]

Yeah that would be nice

[autumn vault]

140 Atk Houndstone Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 78-93 (37.6 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[timber falcon]

Other than that the team looks like it can work, unless u get jumped by the fearful combo on band shifu and torn, scary shit I tell u

U won’t see it much so dw but one wrong start up and u get swept

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 104-124 (50.2 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Grassy Terrain recovery i think this is a good change

[autumn vault]

Why Houndstone has will o wisp, why i have bolt and tera blast tera fairy tyranitar

It actually won a showdown room tour

[timber falcon]

Yeah that’s the one I saw right?

the room tour

[autumn vault]

yes

A 0.02% pokemon won a room tour, crazy right

the proof that i won one

[timber falcon]

Fr, fallen dogo rising from the dead???

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2082799464
Final battle

[timber falcon]

Whilst I’m just on a mission to revive the fish of steel

[autumn vault]

Good luck on that

In that tour, i used tyranitar on all 4 battles and in tr its a menace

rock slide STAB from a max attack adamant 134 attack stat is broken

[timber falcon]

Fr I think I’ve said this before but tr tyranitar was something i never though of but works so well

I*

[autumn vault]

I made a mix sand trick room and i did not expect tyranitar to kick ass

[timber falcon]

Rock slide goes brrrrr 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[autumn vault]

We getting rock slide flinches with tyranitar in tr with this one 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[timber falcon]

Flinch being the No.1 annoying mechanic when it works

Nvm we gotta give it to freeze

[autumn vault]

when my opponents did take out tyranitar, i sent in my blood moon and hyper voice the remaining threats along with HH and Blood Moon'd the tankier ones

You know i am thinking of making a rental out of it

I tested poltergeist and it did way better than last respects (lead syndrome here)

[timber falcon]

“Oh man my sweeper died, next one!”

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/tyranitar-machamp-pokemon-gif-23083642

goofy ahh tyranitar

well in half an hour i will continue ev'ing the team

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-globe-explode-gif-14366757

Least impactful BMursaluna attack

[autumn vault]

*Blood Moon ursaluna Blood moon attack

Least impactuf Bood Moon attack

(off topic but i dont see my country in that exploding globe, its in the side but not the visible side)

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-ghost-gif-4978918

least impactful Blood Moon: ^

[timber falcon]

Wait, can you instruct BM?

[autumn vault]

I did try an oranguru Blood Moon team but i did not try that

i will test it myself

[autumn vault]

It works OTOT

on showdown atleast

OTOT it works

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2087380735 It works on showdown

[timber falcon]

Lmao 😭

[bold geode]

We hate Smeargle in this house

[timber falcon]

Not me though

[timber falcon]

It’s viable but gimmicky 100% btw, I’ve used it a bit

It’s not like a 100% fail type of mon

As long as it isn’t ots ofc

[tough idol]

Just catching up, Smeargle evo would be hell without drawbacks

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2087399509

[timber falcon]

my type of gameplay

as long as indeedee isnt involved ofc

[bold geode]

How did I immediately know before clicking it you'd be playing Glimmora HO

[autumn vault]

That Bronzong should have had Gyro Ball

If it did you would lose

[dull ibex]

its fluttermane chi-yu HO 🙂

[bold geode]

Also Glimmora HO lmao

That team is good tho

[dull ibex]

I mean glimm is on the team correst

[bold geode]

Apparently it's everywhere around high ladder

[dull ibex]

it seems pretty solid

the video I got it from had raging bolt over glimm iirc

then changed it

[bold geode]

Yeah no the best version is that one you got

[dull ibex]

eh

[bold geode]

Fuck You Beam Glimmora

[dull ibex]

anyone wanna 1v1?

[bold geode]

Me eating rn

Also

[gentle delta]

https://tenor.com/view/armarouge-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-9359570322074301928

[dull ibex]

I think my spreads are a bit sub optimal

[gentle delta]

How about Beam Arma

[dull ibex]

but eh I threw it together to ladder so whatever

[bold geode]

Or Fuck You Beam Arma idc lol

Meteor Beam = Fuck You Beam

[dull ibex]

the kids on ladder are dumb anyways

I wanted to throw together a tr team ngl

[bold geode]

Cuz Meteor Beam says fuck you to shit

[gentle delta]

Okay but pray for at least mine to hit today? 💙

[dull ibex]

But I can't atm 😔

[bold geode]

I mean does it not have?

[gentle delta]

Its 95%

[bold geode]

Oh shit I forgot that

It's never missed on me so

[gentle delta]

I landed over 50 sleep powders in a row at locals though and became a menace

[dull ibex]

jjust hit them 5head /j

[gentle delta]

And I continued to my old mtg tradition of buying a pack before a regional for luck

If pack was good, it meant good fortune

Annnnd

[dull ibex]

OH man I should start a ritual before I ladder

[bold geode]

And then you got a game I had against Lillikoal where it hit it's first and then missed every single one after

[bold geode]

Is that a new card wtf

[bold geode]

Huh

[dull ibex]

fwg hyper offense is a thing?

[gentle delta]

Its from Paldean Fates. Its the like super rare alt art

120$ card lol

[bold geode]

Oh that's Paldean Fates? Damn then again my ass never pulls shit so

[gentle delta]

Yeah it is

[dull ibex]

im upset whim can't compete with torn

[gentle delta]

I got a pack on a whim while buying something for the wifey

[gentle delta]

Not with that attitude

[dull ibex]

even in my testing whim just doesnt compete

[bold geode]

I mean it can, it's just fuckin rough lmao

[dull ibex]

that's fair im trying to play completely sweat teams atm

[gentle delta]

Im about to Top cut with Armarouge when the whole world insists Hat is better

[gentle delta]

And? Whim can be sweat

[dull ibex]

If I want to mess around ill probably still play whim

[bold geode]

Just use both pepega

[dull ibex]

whim isnt bad tbf

its just not as good as torn as far as I can tell

[autumn vault]

Armarouge is more unpredictable than crown and indeedee so you have that

In OTS 100% no

in CTS it can be better in some cases

[dull ibex]

also prog you are just REALLY good

[gentle delta]

Are you saying that about Whim or Arma

Arma you’re like factually wrong lol

[dull ibex]

im incredibly rusty atm

[autumn vault]

Armarouge

[gentle delta]

Arma has many many benefits over hat

Better defensive profile and coverage options. Better natural bulk to actually eat a hit and dish back. And not blanked by Wide Guard.

Im not some casual using her favourite lol im among the top in Canada for players right now. Went undefeated at my last MSS against all worlds players

Arma is genuinely the best expanding force mon and ill die on that hill

Until Shadow Caly legal of course

[autumn vault]

Hatterene can abuse trick room harder but those are things to consider for armarouge

[gentle delta]

Counterpoint, Arma doesnt get royally fucked without TR

[bold geode]

After getting it up........

[autumn vault]

I said in tr

[gentle delta]

You dont need 3-4 mega slow mons for TR

[autumn vault]

that 30 speed without tr can screw over hatterene very easily, if not always

[gentle delta]

You want two slow, two mid, one fast and a support

Tork
Ursa
Arma
Gal
Indeedee
Redacted

Is what im running today

Also

Meteor beam power herb > life orb

No recoil and a bigger boost

[autumn vault]

I think we all know, plus power herb meteor beam evaporates incineroar from the universe, that is definetely better

[bold geode]

I love how you say redacted even though I'm pretty sure you've said the redacted mon in here before

[gentle delta]

Not my signature cornerstone actually

But YOU know from dms

[bold geode]

Cornerstone the beloved

[gentle delta]

Shes so good. But Steel Lando created issues

Had to unfortunately put her away for this regional

My team today is my top 6 point earners lol

Because redacted has nabbed me 140 at locals in the last month

After getting zero since early season

Torkoal and Indeedee are each responsible for 265 of my 297

Then redacted 198
Then Arma 187
Then Ursa 149
Then Gallade 133

[bold geode]

So you did no Arma once?

Have you used Hatterene like at all lmao

[gentle delta]

Hat has 80 points

One pc one mss both wins 🫶

She earned a spot in the goat box

Mrs Blender the Gourmet

Cornerstone hasn’t made it to many events so she has like 40 something

My highest non TR earner is Flutter at 68

[bold geode]

Yeah
Meanwhile I've finally slapped Scarf Urshifu back in the builder
When you're just like "my beloved" lmao

[gentle delta]

Used on one non TR one TR

Dursh or Wursh

[bold geode]

Wursh

[gentle delta]

Scarf stellar dursh kinda based

[bold geode]

It is lmao

[gentle delta]

I considered heavily

Because with HH it can put Pao into the ranged of dying to Rocky Helmet, and thus keep terrain intact

With U turn

[bold geode]

Although funnily enough, rn my team is successful, but it was like
First started off with Palafin LMFAO

[autumn vault]

Respect the dolfin

[gentle delta]

Lol one of my fans wants help using Lechonk and I was like tf and she showed me some nutty Eviolite replays

[bold geode]

Lmao

[gentle delta]

I can believe in any mon if you present a case for it

[autumn vault]

Damn

[bold geode]

Yeah no someone here was tryna use it and I'm like "well fuck it, I'm delusional enough rn"

[gentle delta]

Funny thing is the replay she sent was against one of my teams. The one I made Emma and her friend that got her friend a Day 2

Thats why she chose that replay lol

[bold geode]

Then Palafin was like
The one thing slowing the team down

[autumn vault]

Lechonk has endeavor, it can do something

[bold geode]

I don't think I've lost a single BO1 or a BO3 to snow just yet

[gentle delta]

No no it was a bulky support lol

Super Fang, Chilling Water, Fake Tears Yawn

I think fake tears at least

[autumn vault]

defenses are 54/40/45, not great with eviolite

[bold geode]

My best and worst decision to this day was Chilling Water Iron Bundle

[gentle delta]

Im not stanning lechonk

But it DID eat more than I expected

Eviolite math is weird, it effectively does about 2.25x your base stats cuz of it

Its why clops is nuts in the bulk department

[bold geode]

The Eviolite Torracat be like

[autumn vault]

damn

[gentle delta]

Lol the Torracat guy is my friend

[bold geode]

I have never come into contact with that team surprisingly

[gentle delta]

And he actually played the mirror on cart ladder against his rental

But the opponent WAS ANOTHER FRIEND from locals. Small world

[autumn vault]

I tried to make houndstone work but damn eviolite lechonk is gigabrain and stupid at the same time

[gentle delta]

Houndstone is very Reg B

Sand is Excadrill now. Ugarte was testing it

I faced him on bo3 ladder and won it felt amazing

[bold geode]

Ugartes was testing Excadrill?

Then Excadrill is good then, cuz he only uses good mons lmao

[gentle delta]

Remind me later ill send you replays. Not gonna broadcast his stuff here further.

[gentle delta]

I have reasons to believe the team I faced him on is what hes running today

Being a creator gave me a lot of reach lol

[bold geode]

Oh I didn't know he's in Vancouver

[gentle delta]

So I know people who know people etc

Yeah he is

My mentor thinks the competition is quite soft this year but hes one of the hard hitters

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmm

[gentle delta]

And ive been told I was too and i mad blushing lol

[bold geode]

Any more? Haven't got like
Any links to pairings
Then again when does this shit start?

[gentle delta]

Im the scourge of Quebec and ottawa locals. guy who top 4’d the first GC cant stand facing me

[gentle delta]

An hour. Walking over soon

[bold geode]

Oh

Tbh I've been forgetting constantly about Vancouver

My brain just keeps thinking "oh we're clear until EUIC"

My only question is what about the drum monkey

[gentle delta]

You know that thing only bothers me if it has lava toad

[bold geode]

@gentle delta whenever you get a chance, can you send link for pairings? Sorry you're the only one I know to ask

[next stump]

https://rk9.gg/pairings/VAN02mE7gEJ80KMx7HC4

[bold geode]

Thank

[bold geode]

@next stump you know if they've shown day 1 usage yet?

[next stump]

not sure but don’t think so

[bold geode]

Yeah all I've seen is them glazing Incineroar

Lmao @molten oasis both Annihilape and Gapdos in caster predictions

[solid frigate]

isn't that like every series or regulation-

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[solid frigate]

anyways

[bold geode]

Wait did they show usage just there before the players or

[solid frigate]

day 5 of Asking for Raging Bolt

[molten oasis]

GAPDOS

[next stump]

joe brown RIP

[molten oasis]

POGGERS

[nocturne holly]

🗿

[bold geode]

What?

[nocturne holly]

is there a regional

[bold geode]

Vancouver

[next stump]

they’re showing usage no

now*

watching my TV so can’t screenshot

[bold geode]

Day 1 usage Vancouver

[craggy dagger]

yeah that looks about right

[timber falcon]

Why won’t flutter just go away

[bold geode]

Flutter good

Although the usages are close

Probably gonna be dethroned from 1st on Day 2

[next stump]

how insane is flying coverage right now

you're hitting half of the top 12 mons for super effective

[bold geode]

Bro flying coverage go hard rn

Gapdos is real good into that

[next stump]

imagine if lando-I got a real flying STAB lol

would be insanely broken

like air slash/earth power/sludge bomb goes crazy

[bold geode]

My dumbass has thought about Tera Flying Blast

[solid frigate]

yep make sense

[molten oasis]

This is why gapdos good lol

Torn also is solid but bleakwind miss is not a fun move

[solid frigate]

yeah but Pelipper could work with Torn but idk

[molten oasis]

Gapdos better

[molten oasis]

Okidogi?

Is the meta evolving?

[solid frigate]

i think he was saying Miraidon and Koraidon

society Devolved

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah Drago,just wanna help my friend build his team and just show it if its ok
https://pokepast.es/e78f68d07bef99c2

[molten oasis]

Wtf is Azumarill doing there

[autumn vault]

I would post a rentall now but the GC3 locked my raging bolt and i have to wait until after the GC3

[molten oasis]

Baxcalibur wants clear amulet

[autumn vault]

Let them cook (although you are hurting your team more than helping with azumarill)

[molten oasis]

Idt even with caly coming back you want Tera dark amoonguss

[bold geode]

It won that one regional in Taiwan

[molten oasis]

No I’m gonna make it better

[solid frigate]

i actually want to make a water fire grass core but idk what water type works on trick room

[molten oasis]

why is Azumarill there

Araquanid

Primarina is ok

For tr

[solid frigate]

i forgot about Primarina-

fuck

[molten oasis]

Calm mind Prima works here, yiu czn also do life orb or even av

[autumn vault]

then replace azumarill

[bold geode]

And I guess people are picking up on Okidogi

[molten oasis]

I’m hoping people pick up on my boy

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-squish-zapdos-pokemon-gif-24619561

[solid frigate]

yeah i already gave dialga AV so Life orb

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t dialga want to set tr?

[solid frigate]

i put it on Lunala-

[molten oasis]

Yiu can have 2 setters

[solid frigate]

could work

[molten oasis]

What does Tera steel do for Lunala

[solid frigate]

idfk its not finalised

[molten oasis]

Go fairy or dark

[solid frigate]

what about Primarina's Tera

[bold geode]

I mean caster predictions
I feel like they will if they haven't
Or they'll just Kingambit that shit

[molten oasis]

Also you can use rapid strike urshifu as a fast closer

[solid frigate]

i'll consider

[molten oasis]

Steel grass dragon

I like steel

[solid frigate]

remember its not for me its for my friend who want to use Dialga for his Restricted

[molten oasis]

Tf does that have to do with urshifu

[solid frigate]

i swear that why i ping people when want to speak a normal topic..

https://pokepast.es/4e6afaa1dc04197c
Anyways

[molten oasis]

Do not life orb calm mind Prima

Lefties

[solid frigate]

got it

[molten oasis]

Ig I didn’t clarify that earlier my bad

[solid frigate]

its ok

[next stump]

two players from this discord paired against eachother at vancouver lol

prog vs keanu

[solid frigate]

damn that luck

[bold geode]

Another I'm in had the same shit happen just now

[molten oasis]

Oh wow

[next stump]

screens archaludon on stream poggers

[molten oasis]

Sinistcha too

This’ll be a fun match

[bold geode]

I'm sorry
This just knock off Comfey Ape

@mighty stump they're fucking with the Churchaludon

[molten oasis]

Yikes, that was a bad miss

Lmfao

That burn was brutal

[bold geode]

Preserving Sinistcha was great there

[molten oasis]

Yea

The icicle crash miss was awful tho

[bold geode]

Honestly
Why haven't I seen Weather Ball Tornadus until now

[next stump]

you kinda need something else to set the weather for you

[bold geode]

True

Plus nothing from Snow teams now really

Nvm dumb question lmao

[next stump]

LOL

[bold geode]

What

[next stump]

fun set to watch

sinistcha clutch

[bold geode]

Wait it won?!

[next stump]

yeah hahaha

[foggy lodge]

Sinistcha won a 2v1

[bold geode]

How in the fuck

[foggy lodge]

Nah Sinistcha was direspected

Probably the only good grass special attacker

[next stump]

grassy terrain matcha gotcha goes hard

[molten oasis]

Sinistcha is built different

[next stump]

this guy is awkward as fuck

[tough idol]

Stream worth a watch when I get back from work?

[bold geode]

Scream Tail oooh

And Hoodra?

Does Hoodra still take damage from like Wicked Blow for example with Shell Armor or does it cancel the move out altogether?

[next stump]

it takes damage but no crit

[bold geode]

Tera Bug a meme lmao

Tera Bug Bolt kinda nice

[fallen garden]

The casters keep throwing the phrase "at this point" as a filler at the end of sentences and I can't unhear it

[frail folio]

they live right now?

Goodra?

[molten oasis]

So far baxtales is 20-9

[frail folio]

gg

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/5e2ac7ccd4c7a93d currently, I think Lando is solid

Bax and a9 don’t really need changes

Shifu has been solid

Hearthflame has been solid as well

Gholdengo feels the weakest

[frail folio]

Bax without loaded dice and icicle spear looks kinda mid

[molten oasis]

Ok well I think loaded dice is not worthwhile

[smoky hawk]

Oh snap the regional is now, isn't it

[molten oasis]

It’s somewhat inconsistent

My item is objectively not really useful

It’s bad into incin

Swords Dance clear amulet is better imo

Glaive rush hits really hard, ice shard is nice priority and removes the double damage from glaive rush, and CA allows it to sit infront of incin

[frail folio]

I see why now, I didn’t Incinerroar that often while playing online so I didnt consider him

see*

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[timber falcon]

oooooo AV lando???

[molten oasis]

Yea

[timber falcon]

is it good?

[molten oasis]

Makes it super bulky, I think Lando t is still good and so far lando has never felt bad

Yea it’s my intimdiate Mon rn it’s been good

Having a semi slow pivot is nice

No fo does kinda suck but I’ve been ok so far

[timber falcon]

it would be interesting to see lando-T being brougth to its former glory

[molten oasis]

It can’t ever

Incin existing ruins it

[timber falcon]

always?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[frail folio]

Yeah and Inc becomes even better with restricted formats

While Landorous falls off pretty quick

[timber falcon]

what makes incin better?

[frail folio]

It intimidates while also having access to support moves like fake out, helping hand, parting shot, and other moves like knock off which Landorous doesn’t have access to

And his typing prevents taunt, normal damage from fairy and his base stat spread is also very good

[timber falcon]

oh yeah lando is lacking isnt it

[molten oasis]

Therian is

Lando has a lot less utility than incin

It’s an offensive intimidate

Incin is supportive and does it really well

Lando objectively has a worse typing as well

[frail folio]

Inc is the undisputed G.O.A.T. of vgc

[molten oasis]

Lando also lacks flying coverage

Which imo is a big reason it’s hindered so hard

It needs the generational gimmick to utilize flying coverage

[frail folio]

Inc is everything landorous wanted to be

Skeliderge ???

Is he trolling

[timber falcon]

who

[zinc perch]

just to make sure feathers do the same thing as the vitamins just that feathers give 1 instead of 10

[next stump]

yes they do

[frail folio]

I am watching the regional

[timber falcon]

oh theres a regional rn???

[frail folio]

yeah Vancouver

[timber falcon]

OH THERE IS A SKELIDIRGE

[frail folio]

He is probably not gonna use it

[timber falcon]

i thought it was commetators or smth

[frail folio]

I think he wanted to counter snow with it

[timber falcon]

the articuno one?

[molten oasis]

There’s a skeledirge?

[frail folio]

probably or something similar to what drago showed us

[timber falcon]

mhm and its out first

[molten oasis]

Sorry Bax beats skeledirge

+2 Glaive rush ohkos like, everything

And I’m neutral to fire and also stupid bulky

[frail folio]

So it’s your team objectively better than the Articuno one

[timber falcon]

oh its not thermal bax?

[molten oasis]

No

[molten oasis]

That team is very well made and I built this yesterday so no

[frail folio]

😂😂

[molten oasis]

I just barely started fidgeting with Baxtales

[timber falcon]

the articuno team is a nightmare to deal with tbh

[molten oasis]

I think Bax is better than articuno

[timber falcon]

it 100% is in this gen yeah

[molten oasis]

I don’t think this team is overall better than the cuno team

Yet

I will have a write up for it within the next 2 weeks

With a finalized team

[next stump]

oh shit the homie dylan is on strema

this guy is at all my locals

[molten oasis]

that’s cool

[timber falcon]

im now going against the team wolfey a few hours ago help

[frail folio]

This is the team i use

[molten oasis]

Talon-

Why?

[frail folio]

For flutter was seeing too many

[molten oasis]

Yiu have 1, entei

2, wellspring

[frail folio]

yes but for speed control

[molten oasis]

Torn is usually better in that spot

[frail folio]

I also don’t want to just be 1 hit ko

[molten oasis]

Torn is bulky

[frail folio]

so fire helps with chien pao

Only problem raging bolt

[molten oasis]

Alr, why don’t you want to use torn?

[foggy lodge]

Talonflame is good but it's outclassed by Tornadus

[molten oasis]

It’s not frail and talon is VERY frail

[foggy lodge]

But i still think is decent, you can make it work

[craggy dagger]

:0

skeledirge whoa-

[foggy lodge]

If you want to play Talonflame go ahead, but you have to be conscient that Tornadus is better

[frail folio]

Also brave birds kills flutter

It is better but it has too many counters right now

[solid frigate]

wait who use Talonflame

[solid frigate]

i feel Like One Iron Head does the same thing

[molten oasis]

Ok

[frail folio]

From who

[molten oasis]

I want proof

My Galarian Zapdos cannot ohko a flutter regularly

So how is your talonflame doing that

[solid frigate]

literally any pokemon who has decent Attack Invest

[frail folio]

do you mean a bulky flutter

[solid frigate]

0+ Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Haxorus Iron Head vs. 116 HP / 76 Def Flutter Mane: 169-200 (116.5 - 137.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

even Haxourus with only Life orb does the trick

140+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Iron Head vs. 116 HP / 76 Def Flutter Mane: 146-172 (100.6 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Without Life Orb

[solid frigate]

even my Talonflame with Max Attack can't do that

[molten oasis]

yea

flutter lives most neutral hits with no boosts

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 116 HP / 204 Def Flutter Mane: 99-117 (68.2 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[frail folio]

oh I see I think I used to pair chien pao with talonflame a lot in another season and I just have that prenotion

[molten oasis]

Flutter used to run 0 bulk

Now it runs a lot of bulk

[solid frigate]

to prevent dying from threats

also Fake Out Exists

Thats why Incineroar is so good

[foggy lodge]

Now flutter invests more evs into defense and Hp than sp atk or speed lol

[solid frigate]

yeah its Sp Attack is already good so Choice Specs Mostly Covers this

pair with Torkal or pokemon with drought make it a FAST SWEEPER THAT HAS BULK

if it rans speed

[frail folio]

yeah but tornados also has a higher difficulty killing flutter since it also invest into bulk now

[foggy lodge]

At least it's a frail pokemon still

Can take a hit but not two

[solid frigate]

Tornadus is not for sweep,Its a Support.

Tailwind,Taunt,Icy Wind and Bleakwind for some contribution

[frail folio]

Defiant kingambit and incineroar are very popular

[foggy lodge]

You still don't do anything to them

[frail folio]

burn them

[foggy lodge]

Except using a move without being afraid that you got the speed drop and give the defiant boost to the kingambit and insta losing

[solid frigate]

if you want to play Talonflame in VGC,go to Gen 6 before Xerenas is a thing

[frail folio]

true when gale wings was op

[foggy lodge]

It's still not good because is just a chance

You can't rely only into a 30% burn chance

[solid frigate]

Pokemon is based on Luck,Unless you burn someone with Burning Bulwark

which Normally Gouging Fire might run

[foggy lodge]

I mean yeah is a good chance and probably you can win a lot of battle due to the burn

But relying into that to decide bringing Talonflame over Tornadus is inconsistent

[solid frigate]

also with restricted Format back,Talonflame becomes OBSELETE

[frail folio]

Look bleaklind wind failed me too many times I can’t trust him

[foggy lodge]

Kyogre sees a fly when he sees Talonflame

[solid frigate]

yep

[solid frigate]

you just have back luck

[foggy lodge]

True

[solid frigate]

bad*

[foggy lodge]

Fucking bleakwind

[solid frigate]

but then again its about Luck

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but at least into rain it can work

[solid frigate]

mhm

Yeah and Tornadus sometimes run Rain Dance

[frail folio]

Talonflame is temporary until calyrex shadow rider is back and then I use tornados

[foggy lodge]

Control of weather it's great

And more when your team is not a weather team, you just have weather control

[solid frigate]

mhm

[frail folio]

bro had to leave skeliderge

[solid frigate]

Skeledirge against Zacian lol

[frail folio]

When is the restricted format going to be out?

[solid frigate]

either Next Regulation or near this year

[frail folio]

I just want to see how insane Pokemon can get

[solid frigate]

i am not too sure i just prep

[frail folio]

Chien-pao +Zacian

[solid frigate]

Miraidon+Iron Bundle

@atomic mural Thanks my guy

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to cornyplays

[frail folio]

Calyrex shadow rider+Chi-yu

[smoky hawk]

This kid looks 14 lol

[solid frigate]

sigh

true

someone did that in the forum

[frail folio]

Koraidon is going to fall so hard once terra is over

I feel like Miraidon could be S because of his bulk and special attack boost as well as his terrain

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon is probably the best legendary along Calyrex Shadow

[smoky hawk]

Kingambit and skeledirge dynamic is fascinating. So many questions to answer before choosing your move

[solid frigate]

I would kinda see someone use Kyurem-White

[foggy lodge]

At 14 i was using Incineroar with cross chop how😭

[frail folio]

😂

[molten oasis]

terapagos and groudon are not worse than lunala

[bold geode]

@molten oasis @next stump I'm sorry, but I just saw a tweet with a picture of Skeledirge on stream
Wtf

[foggy lodge]

I want to see someone using Lunala

[solid frigate]

i kinda wanna put it in S

or High A

[molten oasis]

yea there is a skeledirge

[smoky hawk]

I was commenting about this Vancouver game

[solid frigate]

wait like how does it work

[bold geode]

The fact that it X-0 'd is wild

[molten oasis]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Nah the variety of this Tournament is crazy, i'm really liking this

Scream Tail, Skeledirge, Hisuian Goodra, Suicune, Sinistcha

[next stump]

their logic when building the team (moxieboosted and dylan) is that skeledirge has a really solid matchup into most of the physical pokemon in the format with tera fairy

[solid frigate]

we love chaos in VGC(Not really Chaos but still its kinda Nuts)

[next stump]

urshifu-dark, chien-pao, etc.

[smoky hawk]

What I mean is when you and the opponent have pokemon that can hit each other super effectively, and in this case the slower one has a priority move but the other has a useful status move

[solid frigate]

ah,i see.

[next stump]

also really solid kingambit matchup

[molten oasis]

yea

its interesting for sure

[next stump]

also walls rillaboom completely, you outspeed and they usually run double grass + fake out + u-turn

it's a cool support in this meta

[solid frigate]

none of the attacks done neutral

[frail folio]

wow 0% therian lando

[solid frigate]

incineroar.

Incineroar is just better than Lando T in EVERY WAY

[molten oasis]

except offense

[frail folio]

How the mighty have fallen

[solid frigate]

but then again its just support

i'm running Lando I for that Sweet Sweet Sheer Force Life Orb

[frail folio]

Do you guys think that if grassy glide had the base attack of gen 8 rillaboom would have more usage

[molten oasis]

fuck lando i

[solid frigate]

we know we know you hate it

[molten oasis]

rilla would be stupid strong with it

the nerf was necessary

[solid frigate]

i ain't mad when Rillaboom got Nerfed,Cuz its still not bad

[frail folio]

why are they not running trick room?

[solid frigate]

wdym.

[frail folio]

I haven’t watched a regional in a while and trick room was pretty popular with ursaluna making it to at least a top spot

omg

[solid frigate]

in restricted i would say Trick Room would work,but idk how much teams would use

[frail folio]

I wished they banned trick room

[tough idol]

Why?

[next stump]

why would they do that lol

[tough idol]

They'd have to ban Tailwind too for balance

[molten oasis]

What is the purpose of banning tr

[solid frigate]

i would against Banning Trick Room,Its such a intersting Gimmick to make some slower Mons Have some play

[molten oasis]

It’s not even that strong

[frail folio]

Indedee with guaranteed set up is so toxic

[molten oasis]

Atm

[solid frigate]

i literally stalled 2 Trick Rooms

but thats like only one time

[frail folio]

Trick room as it’s now makes tailwind unplayable

[smoky hawk]

Global challenge sign up until the 28th. I have to figure out what sort of team to use. I'm thinking TR

[solid frigate]

Farigaraf or Indeedee?

[tough idol]

Learn to play around it

[solid frigate]

you could literally predict that or stall Trick Rooms

[frail folio]

both but indeedee is more unfair

[tough idol]

How is Indeedee unfair?

[solid frigate]

its completely fair

[tough idol]

I know it is

[craggy dagger]

isn’t the novice psyspam players nightmare rillaboom?

[solid frigate]

sure its Annoying,but its manageable

[frail folio]

having follow me is very fair my bad guys while also setting up psychic terrain

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon:

[smoky hawk]

Probably cress. My team will have a lot of priority, so TR is not mandatory. I figured out something fun I can do. Cress can skill swap farigaraf to stop the block of my prio moves, or skill swap my kingambit or incin to prevent ground dmg

[solid frigate]

oh yeah thats a tank

[tough idol]

Rillaboom cancels Terrain, Chien Pao Ice Spinner removes. Follow Me doesn't affect spread moves.

Seen Ice Spinner on Urshifu aswell

[frail folio]

but how do you prevent trick room from the other pokemon going up

[solid frigate]

F a k e o u t

[tough idol]

Fake Out, Imprison