competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu
What doing

Hummmmmmm mm

[molten oasis]

Sorry, I played a match earlier and watched it ohko my zacian

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

I’m still a tad annoyed about it

[mighty stump]

But idk whos been saying Miraidon is the king of restricted when Dragon King cup showed Terapagos basically ruined its life

[bold geode]

Huh

[molten oasis]

Oh, it did?

[mighty stump]

All the japanese rentals were Terapagos

Lol

[atomic mural]

oh damn really lmao

[molten oasis]

So, terapagos #1

Apparently

[atomic mural]

ig but again it is stuck being a normal type

[bold geode]

Great
So how we deal with Terapagos

[mighty stump]

We’re in this phase of people definitely overselling Miraidon

[atomic mural]

fighting types

[mighty stump]

It’s good and probably top 5 mon

[atomic mural]

its stuck as a normal type

[mighty stump]

but like not everything auto loses to Miraidon

[atomic mural]

not saying that

[bold geode]

Bolt lol

[molten oasis]

Zacian beats it, on paper

Bolt actually yea, calm mind bolt with double fo pretty solid into it

[mighty stump]

Miraidon enjoyers gonna suffer in front of Groudon Sun

[molten oasis]

don’t remind me

[mighty stump]

Lol

[bold geode]

Yes
RISE MY BOY

[mighty stump]

You got close Drago

[molten oasis]

Groudon has happened to be the bane of my existence with every team I built

[atomic mural]

156 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Tera-Fairy Miraidon: 174-206 (84 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

close

[patent marsh]

Koraidon surely :copium:

[mighty stump]

+1?

[molten oasis]

That mu is so ass

[patent marsh]

copium cause I haven't seen what terapagos full move pool is

[mighty stump]

Oh it gets everything

Lol

[bold geode]

Coping hard tbh

[molten oasis]

So here’s my question

[mighty stump]

Except Water coverage I think

[bold geode]

Imo even Groudon better

[molten oasis]

What the fuck beats groudon that isn’t kyogre

[atomic mural]

what was a common terapagos ev spread

[molten oasis]

And like, maybe not restricted

[bold geode]

Hearthflame?

[patent marsh]

another groudon

[bold geode]

Grass spam? Without tera at least

[mighty stump]

I’m not revealing my EV spreads early lmao

[molten oasis]

Rilla-

[mighty stump]

Yea

[molten oasis]

are you-

[mighty stump]

Hearthflame is probably one of the tougher opps depending on the Tera

[molten oasis]

Bye wellspring nice knowing ya

Hearthflame is my new best friend

[mighty stump]

Lol

[bold geode]

Grass spam looks nice, even with terrain wars

[molten oasis]

I’m still traumatized as you can see

[mighty stump]

idc abt the Grass aspdct

[molten oasis]

Literally could not handle that team at all

My line was “good luck”

[mighty stump]

well tbf Drago Its one of my teams with my EVs

[molten oasis]

that mu sucked anyway

man, idk if im gonna enjoy restricted

[foggy lodge]

Oh i'm sure i am going to enjoy it

[molten oasis]

Like, zacian doesn’t feel that great now that I’ve kinda played with it

Ofc it’s early but still

[bold geode]

Idc I'm addicted so

[foggy lodge]

Legendary pokemon are so rewarding to the best player because if you know how to play it yoy just sweep

[craggy dagger]

i’m gonna cry about restricted

[molten oasis]

unless I feed into using lando I

[bold geode]

Like even if I hate it, I have an addiction so

[molten oasis]

And not cope about Therian

[bold geode]

I've been pondering Therian lately lmao

[molten oasis]

Oh also found rapid strike just feels ass

[mighty stump]

Try it with the shell

Never wrong there tbh

[molten oasis]

The what?

[mighty stump]

japan balance shell

[molten oasis]

Terapagos?

[mighty stump]

Zac

[molten oasis]

I don’t know what your talking about sorry

[mighty stump]

its just the most consistent set in the format rn

I wouldn’t be surprised if it translates like that onward

[foggy lodge]

Ok but make your prediction on the top 5 most used Legendary in reg G

[molten oasis]

What’s the set exactly?

[molten oasis]

Miraidon caly shadow terapagos zacian kyogre

[mighty stump]

UrshiBoomIncinBolt

[molten oasis]

OH, Yea I have that already

Hold on 1 sec

https://pokepast.es/1d4a558944e7230f

[bold geode]

Yeah those 4 are just cracked

[molten oasis]

I haven’t really decided on a worthwhile Tera or if I want to do dance zacian

Rapid strike did not feel good but I also think that’s partially cuz it’s awful into miraidon

[mighty stump]

Maybe you dont even need Lando here

You go Pao-Zacian

[molten oasis]

so, the time has come to use pao

After not touching it since reg c

[mighty stump]

You can split JPN balance into two where its the shell and filler with Bolt/Lando-I on the filler aspect

[molten oasis]

(Which is fine that helps into groudon)

[atomic mural]

how does tera shield work

[mighty stump]

Which means you can get further value if you decide to do Dance

[molten oasis]

So is shell just, zacian incin rilla shifu?

[dapper crag]

Ability: Tera Shell

If this Pokemon is a Terapagos at full HP, the effectiveness of attacks against it is changed to 0.5 unless this Pokemon is immune to the move. Multi-hit moves retain the same effectiveness throughout the attack.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

And then bolt is a side thing?

[atomic mural]

oh so fake out

fake out and then just attack it

[molten oasis]

Sorry I’m just, it’s new terms

[mighty stump]

Well you can’t guarantee FO when they can do Protect turns

[atomic mural]

yeah

[mighty stump]

Yeah in a sense

like you see Bolt/Lando pairs everywhere

[molten oasis]

So, bolt Zac incin rilla shifu, filler

[atomic mural]

+2 156 Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terapagos-Terastal: 246-290 (121.7 - 143.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (this is after some damage)

[molten oasis]

So why pao instead of lando here then?

[mighty stump]

Damage output

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[mighty stump]

You dont need double intim

[molten oasis]

Right, I have lando t lol

[mighty stump]

Urshifu-Zac-Boom all benefit off of it

Spinner clears Terrain + Threatens Don

[molten oasis]

Alr, sounds good then

[echo canopy]

urshifu dumb

[dapper crag]

Ability: Teraform Zero

Terapagos: Terastallizing ends the effects of weather and terrain. Once per battle.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[mighty stump]

At the very least you have extra priority

[molten oasis]

I guess that’s my first, actual restricted team. Although I “built” 5/6

[foggy lodge]

Hey it doesn't have to do with the topic now but what do you think of this team? https://pokepast.es/3e12ae307d790ac8

[molten oasis]

I literally slapped on my av bolt and gave it calm mind

[foggy lodge]

The thing i really think i need is a setup line, the only thing i have is Lando-I

[mighty stump]

If it’s Sub Lando-I i prefer Steel cause Hyper Voice bypasses Sub

Otherwise looks fine

[molten oasis]

Hehe, Bloodmoon

[mighty stump]

You can also try using Wolfe’s CM Flutter Mane if youre looking for setup

[molten oasis]

Too bad steel Tera doesn’t protect you from Primarina

(Joke it somewhat does)

[foggy lodge]

Oh true

[molten oasis]

Ok, sash pao id assume

[mighty stump]

Yea

[tough idol]

@foggy lodge Rilla missing about 400 EVs

[molten oasis]

IM JOLLY SCARF SHIFU

[mighty stump]

Btw I just actually found out Stellar Tera is 1.2x boost, not STAB

Lmao

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah, i reseted the spread

[molten oasis]

You learn something everyday

[mighty stump]

if its like 1.2x damage increase then yeah

It is

Cause its a STAB to non STAB

I think

Wait no

[foggy lodge]

I was doing the spread and then i started to do something else and forgot it lol

[molten oasis]

And tofu apparently missed the whole first month of the format lmao

[mighty stump]

Huh?

[molten oasis]

No sorry, first week

[foggy lodge]

WHAT

[molten oasis]

There was a chunk of talk about it

[mighty stump]

I’ve seen no one clarify Stellar tera properly though

[molten oasis]

I don’t think you were around

[mighty stump]

Since when am I not around

[molten oasis]

Sleeping

[mighty stump]

Probably

[molten oasis]

I remember talk about it at least

Do you know how it works now?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but at times I brought it up no one corrected me

[foggy lodge]

ok but really tera stellar is good in any mon except Pao?

[molten oasis]

It’s okay on single strike

[mighty stump]

Drago I know how it works, I just mentioned the boost isn’t the same@level I thought it was

[molten oasis]

I’m just clarifying sorry lol

[mighty stump]

its not non-STAB to STAB it’s essentially 1.2x = item equivalent otherwise you get standard Adaptability 1.5 > 2x on base typing moves

Tera Stellar is good on Archaludon but only an extreme offensive variant

Scarfed Darkshifu

Flutter Mane

[molten oasis]

Oh right, I forgot about that

[mighty stump]

Pao

Regigigas

[molten oasis]

I also forgot sash stellar flutter was around for a minute

I think I’ll just ghost Tera for pao, it’s reliable

And I haven’t ever been fond of stellar

Oh I have rilla, I probably don’t run spinner

[mighty stump]

Stellar Tera Bolt too

See I still like Spinner evem if I have my own Boom

But that’s just me

[molten oasis]

I know I will mess up if I do that

So I’m not gonna risk it

[mighty stump]

Lol

I should probably grind out some restricted rentals so I can content dump early

[bold geode]

The Japan balance shell has Urshifu run Ice Spinner so

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/a2efa6743fb45450

[mighty stump]

And Tera Steel

[molten oasis]

Oh

That paste isn’t real

https://pokepast.es/283edd8663753515

Also, what Tera does zacian get. I haven’t really figured one out

I never clicked Tera when it was water

Idt I’m doing grass since I retain the Fire weaknesses

It’s just steel for now cuz I’m not too sure

Oh I’m not swords dance

https://pokepast.es/ded720b80fafcd0e

Also, I’m keeping wisp

[atomic mural]

I think swords dance Iron hands would be the play to counter terapagos

[foggy lodge]

Can someone give me an idea for a new team? I feel like i already have many teams that are too similar or just simply i have a lot of archetypes already

[molten oasis]

I’ve become fond of wisp incin (when it doesn’t miss)

[foggy lodge]

Like, a lot

[molten oasis]

Gouging Fire balance

Psyspam

[foggy lodge]

Ohhhh do you guys have any Regidrago team?

[molten oasis]

Oh right I tried gouging fire for Zac, I am just not allowed to use gouging fire I cannot pilot it

[last yarrow]

Hey just wondering, are the DLC 'mons like ogerpon & the paradox legends essentially a requirement to get into competitive? (Asking since no DLC)

[molten oasis]

You should get ogerpon

[foggy lodge]

Honestly it's hard to use it, i tried the Kingambit Gouging Ogerpon core and it's not too intuitive to use

I feel like you suffer A LOT in early game with that team, but in late game you just sweep

[foggy lodge]

Honestly yeah

[molten oasis]

It’s really just not for me

[foggy lodge]

Atleast Ogerpon fills in like 80% of the teams, the other require a more specific team

[last yarrow]

Well that sucks :/

[mighty stump]

such is comp sometimes

Its unfortunate

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

We can’t use our favorites

Unless you’re tofu, who made Pikachu work

[last yarrow]

It's less using my favorites and more the fact I don't have the DLC so I'm basically locked out of those 'mons

[molten oasis]

Ok, I gotta chill out a little bit lol

I’ve been spitballing for the past hour

[mighty stump]

Trades? If you have anything valuable

[atomic mural]

+2 156 Atk Quark Drive Iron Hands Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar: 246-290 (92.1 - 108.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

Really?

[last yarrow]

I have a bunch of shinies but I doubt ppl will just trade a DLC legend for 'em and I don't have that many apriballs

[molten oasis]

Oh quark drive

[molten oasis]

They will, I’ve gotten legends that way

[atomic mural]

yeah and miradon can just switch out and switch in

and keep bring it back

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon might be tricky tho

[last yarrow]

I'm planning on replaying PLA (nuzlocking it too) so might just trade my dupe legends from it for it

[molten oasis]

You need the masks too

And idk if you can get them without trading for them

[tough idol]

Trade only for masks

[cyan smelt]

Btw showdown has an app now

[molten oasis]

WHAT

[atomic mural]

really?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[atomic mural]

im downloading

[molten oasis]

What’s it called

[last yarrow]

aggresive google noises

[mighty stump]

Legends?

[craggy dagger]

oh-?

i thought it was a web app?

[cyan smelt]

Idk if it's on app/play store, you might have to go to the website on your mobile

[molten oasis]

That summoned like everyone active lmao

[craggy dagger]

not an app app?

[cyan smelt]

Proper app

[craggy dagger]

hey wym

[molten oasis]

My brother in Christ what’s it called

[last yarrow]

I don't like trading away legends I don't have dupes of but after I replay PLA I'll see if I can trade 'em for one + the masks

[mighty stump]

I’m fairly sure the “app” is like saving the web page to your phone

or last I know of

[craggy dagger]

yeah that’s what i thought-

[molten oasis]

Hmm, I see

[mighty stump]

They can barely update the sprites to a consistent level on SD idk hwo much manpower they have to spend on an integrated app

[cyan smelt]

Well when I went to it on mobile it gave me an option to install app but it's better than nothing

[next stump]

I’ve got that webpage saved lmao

[molten oasis]

Ah I see

[mighty stump]

Calling you out rn

[molten oasis]

I have a tab open in goggle chrome 24/7 so I’m good

[mighty stump]

Goggle Chrome

Apple Vision

Samsung See

[tough idol]

Is it Safety Goggles Chrome

[molten oasis]

I spelt it wrong too

[atomic mural]

Honestly miradon and terapagos could be a pretty good 2 restricted pair

Like imagine incineroar and terapagos lead

And then using Tera to block other grass terrains and weathers

And then parting shot out to miradon yo force them to have to either use their own pivot or switch out twice

Not an unpunishable strategy

But still good

[cyan smelt]

Koraidon and calyrex

[atomic mural]

That sounds interesting

Mind elaborating

[cyan smelt]

Punish dark types that threaten calyrex with koraidon and punish psychic types that threaten koraidon with calyrex

Then bring in your scarlet paradox of choice with the weather boost

[atomic mural]

Nice

[cyan smelt]

Assuming you have control of the weather that is

I wonder how koraidon fares against terapagos

[mighty stump]

You can live CB Collision Course in Sun

Thanks Tera-Shell

[molten oasis]

fluttermane

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't flutter need to be timid to have a chance of out speeding caly

[atomic mural]

Honestly wasting your tera for all terrains and weathers one time is kinda just a waste

[mighty stump]

You’re forgetting about Tera Starstorm

Lol

[molten oasis]

well uh, if youre running with koraidon, speed boost

and also it can live astral barrage

[atomic mural]

Fair but you HAVE to Tera it for that

[molten oasis]

man i love the literall 0 drawback move

except that

[cyan smelt]

Terapagos is gonna be useless in gen 10

[mighty stump]

What about it

Seems pretty good to@me

[molten oasis]

its gonna want the tera like everytime

[tough idol]

I'd hazard none of the Paradox etc are gonna be available for Gen 10

[molten oasis]

but

[mighty stump]

If you’re running Terapagos without intent to Tera it run something else

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

literally dont use terapagos if youre not gonna use its tera

its that simple

[atomic mural]

Yeah exactly, if you don’t want to waste your Tera on terapagos and instead help keep a key Pokémon alive don’t use the Tera hog

[mighty stump]

Terapagos also doesn’t lose its Stellar boosts

[molten oasis]

oh

so it has a 1.2 boost to all its moves

[atomic mural]

?

[mighty stump]

And the one time Weather/Terrain removal is impactful

[molten oasis]

all the time

[mighty stump]

Since you’re trading abilities

So you cant just brainlessly tera spam

Sometimes you want to conserve Tera-Shell

[molten oasis]

timing

[atomic mural]

Yeah I think terapagos is a pretty high skill ceiling pokemon. You actually have to think

[molten oasis]

also, wellspring does not eat tera starstorm post tera, i learned this the hard way

[mighty stump]

Because you also have to predict when a Tera is coming from Terapagos in certain situations to see if you can retain your Weather via Prankster cause you can’t do so via Swap

[atomic mural]

Yeah, you Tera to get the boost and instead you take super effective damage now

[mighty stump]

Which arguably is difficult since Stellar is purely offensive

[molten oasis]

yea

[mighty stump]

Lol

Yw

[molten oasis]

tofu causing me trauma before restricted even starts

10/10 experience

[tough idol]

Another W for Tofu

[molten oasis]

i just wanna use my sword dog

[mighty stump]

I think the concept I have is solid for Terapagos

[atomic mural]

You probably can since it paired with chien pao could be broken

[molten oasis]

yea, remember how little my double up did to the terapagos

[atomic mural]

What is it

[mighty stump]

You’ll see

[tough idol]

[molten oasis]

from shifu and +1 zac

like, that was wild

[mighty stump]

Lmao

65%

[atomic mural]

That’s neat

[molten oasis]

im really gonna "enjoy" restricted

[atomic mural]

I think iron hands miradon could be a good counter to terapagos

It baits Tera

[molten oasis]

me when lando i

[atomic mural]

Ok but iron bundle

[molten oasis]

ok but it has no special defense

[foggy lodge]

Ok but can we talk about Lunala? Because i'm so hyped for Lunala

[molten oasis]

idk what lunala does

[atomic mural]

Forgot it even existed lmao

[foggy lodge]

Trick room

[molten oasis]

why would you not use caly ice

[foggy lodge]

Lunala's ability made him survive even astral barrages from Calyrex

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 792: Lunala

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Shadow Shield

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

137/113/89/137/107/97

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

oh its the caly typing

[dapper crag]

Ability: Shadow Shield

If this Pokemon is at full HP, damage taken from attacks is halved.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

multiscale

thats a tr mon? at 97 base speed?

[mighty stump]

Lunala + Meteor Beam probably

Its usually Bulk invested

[molten oasis]

oh, that would hurt

[cyan smelt]

Are my bois Palkia and Dialga origin gonna be viable

[dapper crag]

Lunala's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Psycho Cut, Return, Shadow Claw, Sky Attack, Sky Drop

Special Moves

Air Slash, Blizzard, Charge Beam, Confusion, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Expanding Force, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Meteor Beam, Moonblast, Moongeist Beam, Night Daze, Night Shade, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Cosmic Power, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Helping Hand, Hypnosis, Light Screen, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Moonlight, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Splash, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Telekinesis, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Wide Guard, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lunala.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[mighty stump]

Id think Origin Formes should be something to look at

Particularly Dialga

[dapper crag]

Move: Moongeist Beam

This move and its effects ignore the Abilities of other Pokemon.

Type

Ghost

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

neat

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[molten oasis]

oh, shit

[solid frigate]

Why do i feel like normal Dialga feels better

[molten oasis]

bulky ass special attacker with a great defensive typing

[atomic mural]

When terapagos isn’t in tera, is it’s normal move still neutral to everything?

[molten oasis]

no its just normal

[solid frigate]

No Ghost wall that

[atomic mural]

Yeah so I’m never thinking of using terapagos

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/terapagos-gloogy-pokemon-good-night-gif-5313006238324153079

[molten oasis]

ok mr specs miraidon

[atomic mural]

Ok but overheat kills amoonguss

(Without electric terrain)

[molten oasis]

why would i bring amoonguss into an electric terrain mon

[solid frigate]

Arcanine walls that with Safety Goggles lol

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon chi yu

[molten oasis]

[tough idol]

What did Overheat do to AV Rilla? Or did noone check

[atomic mural]

Don’t know rn

[molten oasis]

i didnt feel like it (im scared)

[atomic mural]

If amoonguss dies without terrain, I feel like it kills with terrain up for rillaboom

Tera fire gonna be so common

[molten oasis]

rilla has av

[atomic mural]

Well yeah

[molten oasis]

amoonguss doesnt

[tough idol]

No tera was OHKO upto 300%

[molten oasis]

we need to do realistic calcs

[atomic mural]

But if amoonguss dies without terrain and assault vest, I could see rillaboom dying to electric terrain with an

[molten oasis]

like, real ev spreads

oh thats tera fire

[atomic mural]

Jesus

[tough idol]

That was just covering highest possible defense and tera fire

[molten oasis]

damn

cant wait for that to be common

[atomic mural]

Yeah I think it died

[cyan smelt]

What about koraidon flare blitz in sun

Choice band

[atomic mural]

I think electric seed ogerpon is no more

[tough idol]

Think point is Rilla doesn't go 252 hp and spd. So it just dies to Overheat with Tera Fire Defensively

[molten oasis]

it gets that

[atomic mural]

Yeah?

[dapper crag]

Koraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Press, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Collision Course, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Double-Edge, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Drain Punch, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fire Fang, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Focus Punch, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Outrage, Reversal, Rock Smash, Scale Shot, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thunder Fang, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Overheat, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Dragon Cheer, Endure, Helping Hand, Protect, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Koraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[tough idol]

Yh Korai gets Flare Blitz

[atomic mural]

I think I’m just gonna switch to ogerpon fire

[molten oasis]

why

they really gave these legends every coverage move on the planet

[atomic mural]

Actually I’m going to keep it until I see it stop being helpful

I just got spooked that other miradons are just gonna use overheat on my grass ogerpon and murder

But I have a ton of counter play to that on my team

[tough idol]

Also ignore my Rilla calc. I forgot to lower Miraidon level it's a 5 HKO. 20% per hit so not as scary

[atomic mural]

Ok good

[tough idol]

Oger grass still gonna die though at a guess

[atomic mural]

Can I see without Tera fire

Yeah def

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon is scary

[molten oasis]

brother

that miraidon was level 100?

[atomic mural]

Show real calc please

[molten oasis]

can you show a real ev spread

[mighty stump]

I really@don’t think Miraidon would run Overheat

[molten oasis]

specs might

might

[mighty stump]

eh

[tough idol]

You have a Rill spread to hand?

[molten oasis]

yea

[atomic mural]

Yeah because of good counter into grass types that are probably gonna be common and it gives miradons a counter to zacian

[mighty stump]

I know what better Specs mon to run

Specs Bundle

Lol

[molten oasis]

Rillaboom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 60 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• Fake Out
• High Horsepower

[molten oasis]

right, bundle gets an item

[mighty stump]

Tera Water Specs Hydro Pump is fun

Pre-Reg A

[molten oasis]

lorb and specs bundle is real and it can hurt you

[atomic mural]

Until it misses all 8 times

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cray-lost-it-gone-mad-going-mad-stressed-gif-5502030

if you know you know

[tough idol]

@molten oasis

Did one Tera Fire again to check

[molten oasis]

i hate this thing

[atomic mural]

Can you show an assault vest set?

[molten oasis]

thats not even stab

[atomic mural]

Also that Tera fire calc is kind of wrong with the 3 hit ko

[molten oasis]

oh, yea give it av

[molten oasis]

it doesnt count the special attack drops

[atomic mural]

Because of the -2 everytime it’s used

[atomic mural]

Yeah exactly

[atomic mural]

Damn

[molten oasis]

thats only 36+ too

[atomic mural]

Not even hadron engine btw

[molten oasis]

well, i hope it doesnt get common

[atomic mural]

[tough idol]

May not have it active if Rilla changes terrain @atomic mural

[atomic mural]

Well yeah obviously

[molten oasis]

yea, i can always lead rilla into miraidon

[atomic mural]

But if you do have it up

I still wanna see

[molten oasis]

yk it kills

[atomic mural]

You never know until you see it

[atomic mural]

I am so shocked with this information

[cyan smelt]

Damn, koraidon's attack gets boosted as well by sun

[tough idol]

Is this not a little concerning BTW

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[molten oasis]

sigh

miraidon is a menace to society

[cyan smelt]

Weezing neutralising gas

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-koraidon-cry-cute-gif-26732408

[atomic mural]

Could be good until you realize that it has to be worried about it going up against shadow rider calyrex (it’s ability gone is bad but like it’s not that bad, you still keep your offensive stats)

[molten oasis]

the only niche thing ill try to get with is snow with kyurem white

[tough idol]

Hmm wonder if Corns team would work with Chi Yu instead of Incin

[atomic mural]

Intimidate let’s my miradon survive behemoth blade from a zacian with Tera fairy active btw

[tough idol]

Ah

[molten oasis]

im going swords dance

so have fun dealing with that

[last yarrow]

Alrighty y'all, first team I've made without major outside help, feel free to shred it to pieces lmao

https://pokepast.es/34049e2e96a7743a

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/the-grinch-evil-smile-creepy-smile-gif-7618321

[atomic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[molten oasis]

you gave me permission

first off

why are we running magmar?

[last yarrow]

Hey, I'm fairly new to competitive and any kind of criticism is greatly appreciated

[tough idol]

My uneducated input would be too much fire dependence.

[molten oasis]

i do not like the 3 fire types at all and magmar is super out of place

[atomic mural]

3 fire types, only 5 Pokémon, flutter dosent need mystical fire if there’s 3 other fire types. And that’s a lot more than that sir ☝️🤓

[last yarrow]

It was originally a glass canon + bulky follow me support team I idk what to swap it with atm

[molten oasis]

you forgot indeedee

[atomic mural]

It didn’t let me scroll down on my phone sorry

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

[atomic mural]

I guess I’m wrong

[last yarrow]

Sobs in no DLC once more

[molten oasis]

you can just play on showdown

[tough idol]

I prefer Rocky Helmet Deedee also

[molten oasis]

theres not much difference except it not looking as cool

[last yarrow]

I know, but I'm hoping to get into proper VGC on the official game since it's the first time I've had the option

[molten oasis]

well, we play showdown anyway

to test teams and find what works

you'll be in showdown a lot

are you planing to compete in irl events?

[tough idol]

I'm trying to get into Showdown more so I don't have to grind as much once restricted comes around

[molten oasis]

if i dont have a legend im just not gonna use it

it was a hassle getting my hands on a raging bolt and i dont want to do it again

[last yarrow]

Not really

[molten oasis]

well, showdown is gonna be your best friend then lol

[tough idol]

Can't be many you don't have

[molten oasis]

i dont have kyurem

or caly i believe

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/06c0969bdf115428 the team that sparked the entire talk about 36 evs modest choice specs miradon

[last yarrow]

Also tysm for this idea!

[gentle crag]

flooferdooper6 has given 1 Gen Rep to ictlegion

[molten oasis]

oh, also

with the team, pick an archetype youd rather run

chi torn is its own thing and arma psyspam is its own thing, usually

there was a team that had both but it didnt have arma and was just fast

[tough idol]

I can help you out once it's a thing. I also ran SwSh a lot pmsl

[molten oasis]

im gonna ask you for legends a lot if i need them lol

[atomic mural]

Bro I remember just putting Pokémon I though we’re cool and giving them the showdown guessed spreads and thinking I was going to be the next world champion

[tough idol]

I've got a set of most on my Violet save already, rest are HOME stashed

[molten oasis]

oh so sorry to be more specific, do you want to run psyspam or tornadus tailwind

[molten oasis]

neat

[molten oasis]

yea, we dont talk about how i started

bad times

i do remember doing that tho

[atomic mural]

I used to play singles

And then I think a random WolfeVGC video hit my recommended

[mighty stump]

Lol

What a time

[last yarrow]

tailwind seems better than just psyspam imo

[molten oasis]

that was over a year ago

[mighty stump]

I am proud of your growth so good job Drago

[molten oasis]

thats wild

[molten oasis]

i appreciate it, and i still have more to learn

eventually, top of showdown ladder

or top cutting a tournament

[tough idol]

My first Doubles game was SV and I went into Ranked with 0 EVs and lost to a Phantom Force Mimikyu.

[molten oasis]

hahaha

[mighty stump]

Not everyone starts like Tofu 😎

[tough idol]

That was Reg A too

Since then I grew enough confidence wise to go to a Regional and actually win 3 games 🤣

[molten oasis]

i dont have money for that

i want to do it eventually tho

[mighty stump]

Best advice: Just play

Just play and lose a lot

[atomic mural]

I just got old enough to learn to drive

[mighty stump]

Losing isn’t gonna be a big deal down the line

Not playing is

[molten oasis]

but losing makes me angry

[mighty stump]

Cause you din’t get that opportunity to learn

[molten oasis]

(ik its part of the proccess)

[mighty stump]

Be angry

Being not angry sometimes is a stupid thing. Its something you care about doing, of course youre going to get upset

[atomic mural]

Bro I was basically a born fps shooter player always getting angry but found Pokémon instead

[molten oasis]

so

allow anger

[mighty stump]

People who say “don’t get so mad its just a game” just don’t have the capacity to understand people care about things differently lol

and are just emotionally inept

Obviously

[molten oasis]

that was one of my old apex friends

[mighty stump]

Be angry in moderation

If youre breaking stuff and lashing out at people

Its more than just the game

[atomic mural]

Bro if I allowed my true anger, I would be banned from tournaments for like 2 years 💀

[molten oasis]

its me haha

[mighty stump]

But frustration is normal in anything you care about doing lol

[molten oasis]

i do generally need to control my anger at times lol

[tough idol]

Back when I could play a lot

[molten oasis]

i lash out, its not as bad as it was but its, still not great

[tough idol]

This season where I just hit Master and stopped (busy with work)

[molten oasis]

very nice

[mighty stump]

I havent even touched in-game ladder that much

I stopped caring

I don’t have the time lol

[molten oasis]

its not worth it lol

wow, bottle caps, crazy

[mighty stump]

Like I like the numbers

[molten oasis]

indigo disk made it so easy to get them

[mighty stump]

But I have more priorities

[atomic mural]

Ok but imagine the views on a video called can you make it to master ball tier while I have crippling debt to the Italian mafia?

[mighty stump]

My last blogpost is a lot more barebones than usual

its too straightforward

[molten oasis]

oh, i didnt read it

i kinda forgot about it, imma go do that

[tough idol]

I much busier with work atm with my new Trainer role and the management apprenticeship I just started.

[atomic mural]

Guys I have unlocked the code to beating terapagos and miradon with one Pokémon

We bring back fissure ting Lu

[tough idol]

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

Personally

Damage mitigation is more important than defensive typing atm for Reg G

Assuming it is restricted with Terapagos

[molten oasis]

so, incin

[mighty stump]

One option, yes

[molten oasis]

snarl bolt/archa

[last yarrow]

iirc it's fissure + stomping tantrum right? Haven't rly checked out ting-lu though so might be wrong on that

[molten oasis]

yea

[atomic mural]

I may be gen z but I still don’t know what certain abbreviations mean bro

Like my brain dosent know what iirc means lmao

[tough idol]

If i recall correctly

[last yarrow]

iirc = If I recall correctly

[atomic mural]

Got it

[last yarrow]

I always slap that on because the fear of being wrong and getting called an idiot or something for it constantly lurks in the back of my mind lol

[atomic mural]

Also yeah

[molten oasis]

thats how you learn

unless the person calling you out is being a jerk

[mighty stump]

Be wrong to not be later

[tough idol]

anything you can think of to throw onto Miraidon team that has Dragon Cheer

[molten oasis]

gouging fire

[ripe ember]

they can be wrong, funny when someone calls you out and they turn out wrong lol

[mighty stump]

Gyarados

[molten oasis]

right, gyara gets it

[rustic mountain]

well it is a dragon

[molten oasis]

"dragon"

[rustic mountain]

not every dragon is dragon type

[molten oasis]

see

charizard is a dragon

i see gyarados more of a serpent personally

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[mighty stump]

Since when did this happen

Wtf

[tough idol]

Lol Ampharos gets D Cheer 🤣

[molten oasis]

well

its mega is a dragon

[mighty stump]

Tree’s a MOD?

[rustic mountain]

no

kit jus did it till i finish the epilogue

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

Lmaoooo

bro give me mod for a day ill cut our members down by 40%

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

tofu boutta wipe the server

[rustic mountain]

tofu: thats a bad opinion ur banned

[tough idol]

Only 40% feeling lenient today?

[molten oasis]

tofu when someone disgrees "ur banned"

[mighty stump]

Based

[rustic mountain]

haha

[mighty stump]

Someone posts a text wall? Banned

Shitposting during discussion? Banned

Monke? Banned

[tough idol]

No paste = ban

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[mighty stump]

@bold geode come here let me ban you

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[bold geode]

Oh thank fuck

[molten oasis]

tofu's done with monke's shit

[mighty stump]

It’s finally happening

[bold geode]

Finally

[rustic mountain]

i was jus gna say monke asked me the other day to ban em

[molten oasis]

even he's relieved

[mighty stump]

What else

Wasting EVs? banned

Wrong format? Banned

Singles? Banned

💀

[rustic mountain]

oh fuck

we have a whole other month of reg f

[mighty stump]

Lmao

Tree go read my barebones post

[rustic mountain]

ok

[molten oasis]

yea

[mighty stump]

give me clicks

[rustic mountain]

hatenna blog?

[molten oasis]

we have to kill another month

[mighty stump]

yes

its in #rental_teams

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

by playing reg g instead

[mighty stump]

We have to kill

In general

[rustic mountain]

lmao i need to see wat that formats gna b first

single restricted vs double is too different

[molten oasis]

yea

kinda sucks

[rustic mountain]

dude i want a s10 equivalent of swsh. give us a non tera format

[molten oasis]

lmfao

[mighty stump]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

one day

[mighty stump]

Wellspring stonks going down

[molten oasis]

ogerpon boutta die

[rustic mountain]

yea

itll b ok jus not as strong

[molten oasis]

flutter wont explode everything with tera fairy

[mighty stump]

No more dnite

Gouging Mirrors abysmal

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[molten oasis]

awww

gambit cant escape my fists

[rustic mountain]

they likely wont but idk how they r gna keep it fresh w/ over a year left before the next comp game

i dont want rotating formats like swsh

[molten oasis]

theres a chance legends has online this time

[mighty stump]

Das what you think pissboy Chople Berry Metal@Burst

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

online sure, online comp i doubt

megas maybe being back and some shit agile/strong style equivalent would be awful

whyd u delete mega incineroar comment?

[tough idol]

I was just getting the gun mimikyu ready again there

[atomic mural]

Mega incineroar gonna be crazy though

[atomic mural]

Accidentally deleted

Don’t know how

[rustic mountain]

we basically got mega incin the past 2 gens parting shot, knock off, helping hand its like the ultimate support mon

[molten oasis]

mega incin has prankster but for all moves

[atomic mural]

Ok but imagine intimidate but for both attacking stats

[molten oasis]

resists every type

[rustic mountain]

and ignores dark type immunity

[molten oasis]

yes

[rustic mountain]

nd fake out works on both mons

[tough idol]

[rustic mountain]

i want special atk intimidate so badly

[atomic mural]

It’s fake outs have minds eye and can’t be protected

[rustic mountain]

they need to give that out

[atomic mural]

What would it be called though

[rustic mountain]

idk

they can figure it out

[tough idol]

Disconcert

[atomic mural]

Hallucinating Roar

[mighty stump]

Lmao give Mega Incin Vessel of Ruin

[atomic mural]

(Long ass name Ik)

[atomic mural]

Exactly

[bold geode]

Spatk Intimidate = Adderall

[atomic mural]

You figured out the ability name

[molten oasis]

petition to add frostbite to official games

cuz thats a good status condition

[atomic mural]

You got 1 vote

Because it would make iron bundle miradon even better

Since it would give freeze-dry the chance to frost-bite

[tough idol]

They'll add an ability to lower Def or SpDef 1 stage on entry before they do SpAtk Intim (unless they already have and I just don't know it)

[molten oasis]

syrupsweet should have activated everytime hydra hits the field

[rustic mountain]

@mighty stump nice post

team seems cool imma prolly try it out soon

havent gotten a chance to play much recently

kinda enjoying the break lmao

[cyan smelt]

Frostbite should lower sp attack

[molten oasis]

thats what it did

thats also why i want it

[bold geode]

How many EVs do the mochi's give again?

[molten oasis]

10

[mighty stump]

Ive been going ungabunga with the other Archa set

[molten oasis]

I’m dying

[bold geode]

Night 1 of attempting to get Palafin to master ball tier
Went 3-1 in PokeBall tier so far due to being real tired plus a weird ass Scream Tail Boom burst set

We try again tomorrow

[solid frigate]

omg lol

[upbeat quail]

https://pokepast.es/da510825a240e301

Rate this abomination

[atomic mural]

2 weathers are bad

[upbeat quail]

Yes

[willow vault]

If you know 2 weathers is bad, why run it?

[lime star]

Is baton pass legal in vgc? If it is, why don't we see it often?
I know its banned in smogon singles for things like shell smash + baton pass, but this would work just fine in doubles as well right?

[atomic mural]

Well in doubles it’s harder to pull off

It would work

No moves are banned unless they crash the game like how in sm you couldn’t use parting shot because it’s z variant would crash the game

Until it was patched

[bold geode]

Wasn't Parting Shot a move introduced in Gen 8?

[lime star]

Thanks, i think i may start testing some baton pass users

I was a OU player, just recently got into vgc, had totally forgot baton pass existed until recently

[next stump]

baton pass is tough because it’s very difficult to find situations where you can set up for free when you’re facing down two pokémon as opposed to one

chances are that one of their slots threatens you with a status condition or super effective damage

[autumn vault]

yes, i did

[atomic mural]

Nope, you only think that because incineroar got it in gen 8

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/3b84afc9e481a4bb here it is

Zekrom is EV'd to live a specs freeze dry from bundle at max sp attack

[atomic mural]

I can’t get on my computer at the moment but it like to fight you at some point

[autumn vault]

I see

[autumn vault]

With restricted teams or reg F teams?

[craggy dagger]

it’s a gen 7 move isn’t it?

[atomic mural]

Restricted teams

[autumn vault]

i see

[craggy dagger]

i need to make a restricted team to test things out…

but i’m unsure where to start

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/0e4245c44b1eb52a also I am cooking with this one

[atomic mural]

You could go miradon

[craggy dagger]

you don’t suppose the riders will be banned…?

[atomic mural]

It one shots basically everything with choice specs 36 and modest

[atomic mural]

They are considered restricted mons

They were added to the list

[craggy dagger]

mm ok

[atomic mural]

It also gets an insane move pool

It has overheat for a counter to grass types

So be prepared for most rillabooms to run Tera fire

Because it’s gonna be very common

[craggy dagger]

oh mirai will shred through almost everything i have no doubt about that

[autumn vault]

And Korai is quad weak to mane so therefore its mid

(A joke)

Run tera fire if using korai

[craggy dagger]

korai would most likely be run with flutter though

flutterdon

[autumn vault]

True

[atomic mural]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 172-204 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/5b9506d8165fc2e1

[autumn vault]

Max hp max attack for Calyrex Ice

[craggy dagger]

might calc some other things for ice though

[autumn vault]

Or that too

It is super bulky so HP migt be the way

[atomic mural]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 176-208 (85 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO this is without grassy terrain

[craggy dagger]

although 4EVs is not the optimal set

[atomic mural]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Overheat vs. 252 HP / 60 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 234-276 (113 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[craggy dagger]

miraidon is just scary

[autumn vault]

And Terapagos aswell

And Calyrex shadow

[atomic mural]

Yeah but I feel like it’s just a Tera hog

[autumn vault]

But it pays off a ton

[atomic mural]

Ik it’s super bulky

[autumn vault]

And its immune to astral barrage

[craggy dagger]

caly shadow is caly shadow

it’ll out speed and shred through everything with follow me indeedee next to it

[autumn vault]

No way zekrom is surviving that without tera/sash

Why i chose to run tera steel

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[autumn vault]

Kingambit says hello

[atomic mural]

Run that calc with Tera steel zekrom and electro drift

[craggy dagger]

psychic terrain

[autumn vault]

Kowtow cleave still murders them

[craggy dagger]

also tera means it’ll lose the 4x weakness

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[craggy dagger]

it’s actually surprisingly bulky

[autumn vault]

I have rillaboom for this reason

[craggy dagger]

but the 4x weakness really put it in its place

[autumn vault]

Who designed the gen 8 legends?

[craggy dagger]

i don’t know

[autumn vault]

Why? Just why?

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[atomic mural]

What about with overheat from miradon and grassy terrain is up

[tough idol]

Lol already doing it Corny 🤣

[autumn vault]

We get it Corny

[atomic mural]

Hey overheat kills amoongus without terrain

[autumn vault]

I will ev zekrom to tank electro drift after tera

And even then it has a chance to survive overheat

[craggy dagger]

parabolic charge on mirai

[atomic mural]

That’s sounds nice I just don’t need it with my set

[dapper crag]

Miraidon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Body Slam, Crunch, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Facade, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Outrage, Supercell Slam, Take Down, U-turn, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Electro Ball, Electro Drift, Flash Cannon, Hyper Beam, Mirror Coat, Overheat, Parabolic Charge, Power Gem, Shock Wave, Snarl, Solar Beam, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Volt Switch

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Charge, Confuse Ray, Dragon Cheer, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Protect, Reflect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Thunder Wave

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Miraidon.

SableyeBot version 4.26.0

[craggy dagger]

christ that’s a movepool

[tough idol]

We had a lengthy discussion on Miraidon yesterday and how oppressive it is

[craggy dagger]

yep

[atomic mural]

With overheat, Draco meteor, electro drift and dazzling gleam with Tera fairy

[craggy dagger]

i was there for like 2 seconds

[autumn vault]

Ass vest Landorus T counters both koraidon and miraidon

[tough idol]

And with less SpA investment than some ppl will use.

[atomic mural]

Not when iron bundles team up with miradon

[tough idol]

That's why Mirai paired up with Bundle

Oops lol slow typer

[atomic mural]

Bolt beam is crazy

[craggy dagger]

boltbeam coverage goes brrrrrrr

[atomic mural]

Don’t even need to waste a Tera

[craggy dagger]

speaking of which, why is tera ice blast raging bolt not a thing?

[autumn vault]

Whoever is in charge of leading the comp scene:Pls for the love of god ban miraidon

[atomic mural]

And with icy wind, Miradon dosent need that much speed investment to outspeed pokemon like zacian

[autumn vault]

Too slow to do it effectively

[craggy dagger]

ah that’s fair

[atomic mural]

But it’s a restricted Pokémon

[autumn vault]

Ik, miraidon is more power crept than arceus in dppt ngl

[atomic mural]

And with incineroar, you get a pretty good core, letting you take more hits

[tough idol]

Zekrom is joking. It'll shake things up having the box legends in imo

[craggy dagger]

i can see gastro usage skyrocketing with mirai appearance though m

[atomic mural]

I am a very literal person my bad

[autumn vault]

I specified miraidon, not all restricteds

[craggy dagger]

or maybe gastro will be on bottom with ogerpon…

[tough idol]

I'm leaning towards the Gyarados option for Intim/Dragon Cheer

Extra Mirai Crits for salt

[tough idol]

I just mean the SV box legends

[autumn vault]

But gyara dies immediately to it

[atomic mural]

It doesn’t need dragon cheer support when at 36+ with choice specs kills everything

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/b2022dd812a47528

[autumn vault]

True, but terapagos wont be as bad as miraidon atleast

And koraidon just bring booster speed mane

[tough idol]

Terapagos appears to be the Mirai counter option out of Japan

[autumn vault]

Disables terrain?

[tough idol]

Yh

[autumn vault]

And Rillaboom/indeedee can always wipe its electric terrain away

And they did good in the restricted format in swsh

[atomic mural]

36+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring in Electric Terrain: 160-189 (85.5 - 101%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[craggy dagger]

dee will do some fun stuff

in assisting shadowspam and resetting terrain

[autumn vault]

Flutter Mane will finally be healthy meta when miraidon comes in

[craggy dagger]

but opinions on this…

[autumn vault]

And flutter was toxic af in reg B and C

[craggy dagger]

replace flutter with miraidon, and replace B and C with restricted

[autumn vault]

You know what that means:Make sandsear storm physical and buff Lando's speed by 10

101 -> 111 91 -> 101

The meta's savior was this close to being the savior of mega ray's student's rampage

Also give zekrom EQ pls

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/088612b8f63ee259
yeah this is my team (last paste I forgot to change nasty plot with sandsear storm)

[tough idol]

Weather/Terrain Wars shall soon be upon us. With a Purple Bike not caring what the weather is 🤣

[autumn vault]

And the Scarlet Bike not caring about terrain

[tough idol]

Violet bike doesn't seem too bothered about Terrain given calcs we've run. It still shits on a lot of stuff

[autumn vault]

The Scarlet one doesn't care that much about weather, maybe even less than Violet Bike's terrain being gone

[tough idol]

Miraidon does this to another Miraidon

[atomic mural]

Chi yu could be a good partner for it but I’d rather have incineroar to keep it alive

[autumn vault]

Chi yu synergizes better with Calyrex shadow

[tough idol]

I'll be playing around with a few options Tbf

[atomic mural]

Miradon sweep

[solid frigate]

Yeah-

even 4x Resist its still vvery scary-

[mighty stump]

4HKO is like

Bulky

[solid frigate]

Keep in Mind its 4x Resist

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2086039813-wg1sz47ngkdvhhh5g0y73bxzjszgoq0pw

My bulk is amazing

[craggy dagger]

oh you test in doubles ubers

[atomic mural]

252 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Tera Fairy Miraidon in Rain: 168-198 (81.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Never would have killed lmao

Unless crit

But we don’t talk about that

Miradons broken

[autumn vault]

Miraidon is Corny's new best friend

(pls dont make it more dominant than reb B and C flutter)

[molten oasis]

hopefully not

[craggy dagger]

im making a mirai achu team :>

[atomic mural]

I can see the WolfeVGC video title: Miradon is the new zacian. Here’s why

They both have movepools that counter counters

[autumn vault]

Assault vest landorus therian would have been the perfect counter to it and koraidon IF bundle never existed

[atomic mural]

What would the spread be

For the assault landorus

[autumn vault]

max attack adamant for sure if on tailwind, non-tailwind jolly

[atomic mural]

Ok

[autumn vault]

i think probably decent speed investment and rest on hp to tank better

max attack adamant/jolly

depends on what you need

On tailwind adamant, non tailwind jolly

[atomic mural]

Just to show

36+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 228-268 (59.6 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 211-250 (101.9 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon: 213-252 (102.8 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Only thing is that I’m always 1 point faster with neutral nature and 108 speed evs

36+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 192-226 (117 - 137.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

36+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 132 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 192-226 (106 - 124.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

Lando can live freeze dry with av

[atomic mural]

252+ Atk Landorus-Therian High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Miraidon: 174-206 (84 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Never kills without crit

[molten oasis]

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 168-196 (85.7 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon is so funny because probably we are gonna se again things like focus sash Amoonguss or Incineroar lmao

[atomic mural]

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 144-172 (87.2 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

[molten oasis]

36+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 102-120 (52 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

That is not how you ev an assault vest lando

[atomic mural]

Ik

[atomic mural]

Forgot specs

[molten oasis]

ugh

36+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 151-178 (77 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[atomic mural]

252 SpA Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry vs. 252 HP / 108 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 168-196 (85.7 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

I guess it works as a counter

But it still can just die

[molten oasis]

Lando I is objectively better to handle miraidon bundle things

[atomic mural]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Cuz it hits harder

[atomic mural]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

Sheer Force Life Orb be like

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

[atomic mural]

Sandsear storm is gonna be pretty good

Not gonna kill miradon

[solid frigate]

also finally 1400+ in Doubles Ubers

[atomic mural]

Nice

[solid frigate]

few more games then top 500

if i win that is

[atomic mural]

Is there any other Pokémon that could counter miradon

[solid frigate]

Hmmmm

[atomic mural]

Ik terapagos

But again I just see it as you spamming Tera with it too early

and getting punished by miradon switching out and wasting the effect of its ability

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/eb2abf67a00f02f5
https://pokepast.es/eaccda4de5284096

These teams are how i get to 1400+

[atomic mural]

Volt switch might be a better option for dazzling gleam

[solid frigate]

i use Parabolic Charge

[molten oasis]

Zacian is an answer

[atomic mural]

True

[solid frigate]

Faster than Miraidon and literally Play Rough is the thing they need

somehow both o my team the MVP is Raging Bolt,Not the other 2 weather Trio

bolt and Genies

[molten oasis]

+1 124 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 108 Def Miraidon: 212-252 (102.4 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And I’m swords dance so incin can F off

With pao

[solid frigate]

SD,B-Blade,Play Rough and Protect?

[molten oasis]

Yea

You get resisted by like

Dengo

[atomic mural]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

Steel Types Resist Both Steel and Fairy but like,it kinda negected by How Busted Zacian is

[molten oasis]

A lot of the steel and fire types also happen to be dark dragon or rock

Kingambit

Incin

Chi Yu

[solid frigate]

idk about that one but it could tank a hit

[molten oasis]

Harc

[molten oasis]

No I’m naming guys that take a hit from zacian at neutral

Not resisted

Although incin does generally beat Zac

[solid frigate]

i just realised i did not give Bolt any Nature lol-

[molten oasis]

Flare blitz hurts