Archaludon personally has been working great into that MU too
#competitive_discussion
mighty stump
next stump
I’ve been using Ogerpon-Teal/Pao/Farigarif/Incin mostly against that matchup with my team
I used to have rilla instead of ogerpon but then they just intimidate cycle you forever
mighty stump
I was doing Amoong/Archa/Incin
If you just get rid of Raging Bolt's damage you can kinda stalemate them
mild wolf
Thoughts? Going for a trapper/ support mon
mighty stump
What format? Singles?
mild wolf
I enjoy doubles more. But either way
mighty stump
If it's for doubles, and I'm going to assume VGC:
- Dugtrio does not have the bulk to actually be a relevant trapper.
- You're missing a Ground STAB.
- Actively setting Hazards isn't really a thing in VGC
running Double-Edge also actively goes against the longevity a trapper wants to have
mild wolf
Heard
autumn vault
Thoughts? Going for a trapper/ support mon
In both singles and doubles dugtrio is terrible (unless in it's corresponding tier in smogon singles)
mighty stump
Alternative trappers in doubles can be Magma Storm Heatran if youre fine with the accuracy, Sand Tomb Ting-Lu which is rising in popularity paired with Dondozo, and Gothitelle, but that's mainly on Perish Trap teams.
And the rest of you need to actually state a reason with opinions rather than "bad" cause it's pretty pointless to even say anything without.
chrome knot
I’ve been using Ogerpon-Teal/Pao/Farigarif/Incin mostly against that matchup wit...
lillikoal came back
crimson flume
People have been saying that calyrex shadow has been op in uber tier. I already got a calyrex via trade haha.
Time to see what the fuss is all about.
mighty stump
A trade? You don't play Smogon formats in-game though?
chrome knot
lmfao
mighty stump
People do that on custom link battles and it just sounds like a slog
molten oasis
People do that on custom link battles and it just sounds like a slog
It sounds terrible lol
chrome knot
@mighty stump do you have arti in game
chrome knot
nvm im stupid
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/f3df9c51d36fba20 thoughts on this team? im lookin for possible MU that im missing, or key typings
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/f3df9c51d36fba20 thoughts on this team? im lookin for possib...
I learned this today, you can’t cover every mu
Some mus will suck
That’s just how it isn
timber falcon
I learned this today, you can’t cover every mu
ik im talking about the ones that sweep my team, meta wise
molten oasis
Why do we have amoonguss and wellspring?
Also I feel you want screens so, a9 or Grimmsnarl
timber falcon
really want to lock in the water resistance, better options for redirection and overall going for a bulky team. + i feel like the type overlap is fine
molten oasis
They do similar things but ok
timber falcon
Also I feel you want screens so, a9 or Grimmsnarl
yeah i WAS gonna do sableye but decided against it
molten oasis
Sableye is an option
timber falcon
They do similar things but ok
thats the point, why not have both
molten oasis
I like a9 to cover lando i
Grimmsnarl also works since you have some pivot power with amoonguss
timber falcon
yeah oger is supposed to cover ALL of a9s type weaknesses
molten oasis
not fire but yea
timber falcon
Grimmsnarl also works since you have some pivot power with amoonguss
yeah screens does look rly nice, considering the bulk.
timber falcon
not fire but yea
a9 isnt weak to fire though
molten oasis
It’s ice fairy yes it is
timber falcon
sorry i think im missing something rn
molten oasis
All good
I like a9 more just to kinda prevent rilla and lando from freely doing anything
timber falcon
I like a9 more just to kinda prevent rilla and lando from freely doing anything
ive kinda addd him as the star
and i have this odd obsession with this sitrus berry set
molten oasis
a9 is added as a support it’s not the focus, the focus seems to be goltres
timber falcon
a9 is added as a support it’s not the focus, the focus seems to be goltres
Goltres is there for the second off meta pick, and his typing seems pretty nice for the team
timber falcon
yeah thats what the last 2 slots gonna be
molten oasis
As harc is sitrus and goltres needs np to do damage
timber falcon
ok Np over tw?
timber falcon
berserk is 2x boost or once?
molten oasis
1
timber falcon
still rly good i gues
molten oasis
I think dropping either amoonguss or wellspring would help, that core is just extremely passive
And you want screens
timber falcon
ok i think ive seen the problem, amoongus AND oger take up space for offensive pressure. i think ima remove moongus for screener
timber falcon
yeah a9 is gonna stay
molten oasis
Bolt
timber falcon
grim , a9, goltres, oger so far
molten oasis
Offensive pressure and staying power which this team does well
molten oasis
grim , a9, goltres, oger so far
How did Grimm get there
timber falcon
screens
molten oasis
A9 is screens
timber falcon
wait wait u mean arcanine?
timber falcon
a9 = arcanine? right?
timber falcon
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
timber falcon
lmao that makes a lot of sense
molten oasis
A9 harc goltres wellspring
Is a good core
Next I think a shifu works
Rock resist (you have 3 rock weaknesses)
Immediate pressure
timber falcon
bolt too right? 2x ground weakness and 1 immunity + resistance works i think
molten oasis
Maybe bolt
timber falcon
but adding shify enhances the specs dazzling exposure so im hesitant on both
molten oasis
I don’t want to jump to 3 fairy yet
timber falcon
yeah
timber falcon
scarf shifu right?
molten oasis
Do you want something for offensive pressure or another set up, yes scarf rapid strike
timber falcon
pressure 100%
timber falcon
liking the look of dengo tbh
molten oasis
Can you get a paste?
Id like to see the team rn
Ik what mons just need moves and items
timber falcon
i havent done new additons yet, ill go add em rn
molten oasis
Oh
Ruby (Ninetales-Alola) @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpA / 60 SpD / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Freeze-Dry
- Moonblast
- Aurora Veil
- Protect
timber falcon
oh ty for the set
molten oasis
Use this, you outspeed lando i and you’re bulky
If you want special attack just plug it in there
You live lando i Sludge bomb no veil pre Tera and with veil you live with Tera
Also Tera fire
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/f96a79cbae0ef34c this is it rn
molten oasis
How often do you click jet on shifu when scarfed
timber falcon
quite often, then immediatly regret it
molten oasis
Drop it
timber falcon
ok
molten oasis
Add spinner
Let’s you remove terrain which is helpful, 99% of the time you click surging strikes btw
It’s just coverage if it feels necessary
oh
Alr so, on a team like this goltres wants sitrus
It allows it to proc berserk
timber falcon
b-b-but sitrus harc 
molten oasis
And still have a good chunk of health
molten oasis
b-b-but sitrus harc <:GengarSad:669500451795763209>
Yiu don’t want life orb on it
And sitrus is a better option
Do you want wisp on harc?
timber falcon
yep
molten oasis
hmm
timber falcon
wait actually theres gotta be better
i mean it does get snarl actually
which ill defo press more
harc is calced to live specs chi yu dark pulse btw
molten oasis
I don’t think it should be a snarl bot
Harc wants to be doing damage usually
Give harc goggles and change to dragon Tera
timber falcon
ok
i think ill keep wisp, i dont use it every game but when i do it had a massive impact on things liek gambit ect
timber falcon
OH THEY DO LOL
molten oasis
Anyway
timber falcon
that means lando is getting added
molten oasis
Lando i looks appealing
timber falcon
yep
timber falcon
nah i prefer the extra spatck on the ream
molten oasis
fair
timber falcon
team*#
molten oasis
(I hate lando i so I have major bias and also miss lando t)
but yea lando i works here
timber falcon
lando t had a good run in Reg E at least
as a reg e starter, that thing gave me nightmares
timber falcon
oh yeah whats a good defensice tera for lando i/
molten oasis
When building
molten oasis
oh yeah whats a good defensice tera for lando i/
Poison
I don’t think lando should do any other Tera
timber falcon
I do not think Lando t should be out of consideration
yeah its not, but incin really annoys it. really really badly
molten oasis
yeah its not, but incin really annoys it. really really badly
clear amulet exists
I think clear amulet is good on it since I feel scarf is not great
timber falcon
*clear amulet exists*
never thought of this one 
molten oasis
You just allow the mu for shifu to kinda suck
Tera flying Tera blast still hits super hard
timber falcon
speaking of clear amulet im gonna make a Clear amulet palafin team soon
molten oasis
…alr
timber falcon
Tera flying Tera blast still hits super hard
mhm the ogerpon killa
molten oasis
The problem is that shifu is better 99% of the time
So like, idk
It can work but you really need to find a way to utilize 2 turns of being fairly passive
foggy lodge
I don’t think lando should do any other Tera
Ghost
molten oasis
It doesn’t hit hard in baby form
molten oasis
Ghost
ig but like
Poison is just good and lando can typically protect infront of fo
The boost also helps pick up kos on ogerpon
timber falcon
It can work but you really need to find a way to utilize 2 turns of being fairly...
ima need some bulk in the back for this then, like incin? who knows, anyway thanks a ton for the team building help 
gentle cragBOT
ima need some bulk in the back for this then, like incin? who knows, anyway than...
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago
molten oasis
Also OTOT rillaboom and bolt ruin palafins life so, account for that mu
Probably pao
And Hearthflame
molten oasis
ima need some bulk in the back for this then, like incin? who knows, anyway than...
Yea anytime.
timber falcon
Probably pao
pao hasnt been doing me anygood every time i use it, just me being bad at using sashed mons
molten oasis
Well, get good
timber falcon
will try
molten oasis
🫵
timber falcon
molten oasis
kidding I get it, it’s tricky
timber falcon
I just can’t see the swaps
molten oasis
I don’t like pao because of how frail it is
I hate lando i for the same reason, I like bulk
Not having it hurts me lol
timber falcon
I put pao in the back to add later and realise “oh I’ve got no swaps now” and lose
foggy lodge
Yeah
molten oasis
Dnite and entei both want it way more than pao usually
foggy lodge
Hot take but honestly
Pao is shit, it's the combos that Pao can do that make him good
molten oasis
Pao played protect simulator and it’s not fun
K pao isn’t, shit
But it only really works on offensive teams
Ho or more offensive forms of balance
foggy lodge
Adding Pao to a team changes completely your team building
molten oasis
Gouging fire teams do appreciate pao’s ability
foggy lodge
It's not just like "oh i think i want a fast ice/dark type"
Pao completely defines your team almost every time
timber falcon
K pao isn’t, shit
I call any mon I can’t use shit 
molten oasis
Ig
timber falcon
Coping mechanism
molten oasis
Pao completely defines your team almost every time
It does tend to change how the team plays
Which is also why I generally don’t use pao
I don’t like how it can just change the teams mode like that
foggy lodge
I only used it on Paonite teams and Gouging/Kingambit/Ogerpon-Wellspring teams
molten oasis
Tbf yiu don’t HAVE to bring it but bringing it changed the mu
foggy lodge
And Paonite is getting bad in the meta sooo-
foggy lodge
Well not that much
molten oasis
You need a ghost Fari or gouging fire to not suck into it
Tera normal espeed hurts so much
foggy lodge
But the problem is that atleast in my case i find a lot of Fargiraf/Indeedee teams that can shut down the strategy
molten oasis
Yea, dengo and flutter also work
foggy lodge
Flutter completely walls you too
molten oasis
Dengo works since pao has to play a mind game to handle it
foggy lodge
Like a well ev spread on Flutter can take a Pao sucker punch
timber falcon
And Paonite is getting bad in the meta sooo-
Until espeed absolutely desecrates your team after u forgot the MU
molten oasis
Flutter should always be able to take crash
foggy lodge
Yeah
molten oasis
Until espeed absolutely desecrates your team after u forgot the MU
yea, the gapdos team lost a member for dengo because of this
But we replaced flutter for dengo so it’s all good
foggy lodge
dengo is so good man
timber falcon
yea, the gapdos team lost a member for dengo because of this
Oh it was actually a problem? 
foggy lodge
If dengo is still good in the regulation with legendary pokemon he passed the test
It will just demostrate that this mon was made for competitive
timber falcon
Dengo is good, not soo good
foggy lodge
Good as gold
timber falcon
Can’t argue with that
molten oasis
Dengo also has so much stuff going for it
Great typing, busted ability, good movepool
foggy lodge
Dengo is flexible
molten oasis
Bulky
foggy lodge
One of the best typings, bulky, different segs
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
It only missed speed but like, oh well
Can’t have everything
foggy lodge
Like You can go for choice specs trick, metal coat, leftovers, life orb
molten oasis
It’s flexible
timber falcon
Can’t have everything
Unless u are a certain gen 8 dog
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Zacian has bad mu’s
timber falcon
But its stats are crazy
molten oasis
Wrong form
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Yea, very good Mon
But it doesn’t like groudon at all
Which I think will still be relevant
foggy lodge
Zamazenta got body press iron defense in this gen no?
molten oasis
It’s not gonna make it great
timber falcon
Groudon lowkey looking good in gen 9 tbh. Not much that’s hard counters it at all
molten oasis
You want recovery on zama and it doesn’t get an item
foggy lodge
Nah, i a zamazenta believer
timber falcon
Nah, i a zamazenta believer
🤝
foggy lodge
Body press teams like the Kommo-O Archetype?
molten oasis
Kommo-o does it better cuz it gets an item
So you need to add stuff to give zama recovery
Anyway, with zacian
Zacian is still good, i don’t think it’s going anywhere
timber falcon
Body press teams like the Kommo-O Archetype?
Kommo-o is scum I despise
molten oasis
But it’s worse than gen 8 and not as oppressive
I’ve played some matches it has bad mu’s
Terapagos is kinda rough, miraidon is annoying (if it has overheat), groudon sucks for it
It doesn’t like lando i or fire types
Or steel
timber falcon
Terapagos is kinda rough, miraidon is annoying (if it has overheat), groudon suc...
I mean what doesn’t moraidon annoy the heck out of
foggy lodge
Zacian is still good, i don’t think it’s going anywhere
Nah dude, i think Zacian will probably be like top 5 legendary in reg G
Behind Miraidon Groudon and Kyogre
molten oasis
Yea you can run sacred sword but I like swords dance since you’re lacking the +1 all the time
Plus I think both landos have a place
foggy lodge
Zacian learns Close combat?
molten oasis
As partners for it
foggy lodge
Because having the one-shot on Inci is good
molten oasis
Zacian learns Close combat?
You still go for sacred
Helps agaisnt set up mons
And the defense drops are rough
foggy lodge
Or just go for Behemoth Play Rough Protect and Substitute
timber falcon
Can’t wait for rising voltage + moraidon 
molten oasis
Why sub, sword dance is right there
foggy lodge
Ah yeah
molten oasis
Can’t wait for rising voltage + moraidon <:GengHeart:674147120634396672>
Why, electro drift is so much better
foggy lodge
Zacian lost the +1 all the time
timber falcon
Why, electro drift is so much better
Bolt + moraidon
molten oasis
Why
foggy lodge
I don't think you want Raging on Miraidon team
molten oasis
I love being walled and demolished by groudon
foggy lodge
You would prefer it on Grudon teams
timber falcon
I love being walled and demolished by groudon
Grass knot though- I was gonna make a team for this on Ubers doubles 😭
molten oasis
It’s very viable on teams where your restricted isn’t miraidon
foggy lodge
You can just
molten oasis
It eats a Draco and a gras knot
foggy lodge
Snarl Miraidon while you just avoid the draco meteor
molten oasis
Snarl Miraidon while you just avoid the draco meteor
Maybe
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
timber falcon
I guess it’s prob gonna tank it
molten oasis
100/140/90 is very bulky
foggy lodge
It's too bulky
molten oasis
No
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
And wait
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
foggy lodge
Nah booo
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
THAT is too bulky
timber falcon
foggy lodge
Who tf gave Terapagos 160 HP and 110 defenses
molten oasis
Idk
timber falcon
The best balancers gamefreak
molten oasis
It’s so annoying
timber falcon
Amazing sweep potential paired with absurd bulk 
foggy lodge
Would Terapagos be good in singles because of the bulk?
timber falcon
Would Terapagos be good in singles because of the bulk?
As an AG tester. Absolutely
foggy lodge
I don't care about singles, just that it would be funny
timber falcon
It also has a 0 drawback spread stab 120 base power move
Watch Game freak give it a buff sooner or later
molten oasis
I love this company
Well it also goes Stellar
So you can’t Tera to eat hits
It’s really tricky to handle
And pairing it with clefaiw it so so tanky
foggy lodge
Man they gave Calyrex a signature ice move that hits both target, 120 BP/100 accuracy with no drawback and Kyurem had to charge it's move like solar beam, and it had 90 accuracy
next stump
in case anyone needs GC III inspiration https://pokepast.es/b2c8eb30b333330c
i stole the 6 from another player but it’s very fun in closed sheets
fringe oar
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder what would yall add as the last mon
molten oasis
in case anyone needs GC III inspiration https://pokepast.es/b2c8eb30b333330c
That’s interesting
molten oasis
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder what would yall add as the last mon
Do you have a paste? That just goes to showdown
I can’t see the team
fringe oar
Armarouge @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Armor Cannon
- Expanding Force
- Protect
- Trick Room
Indeedee-F @ Focus Sash
Ability: Psychic Surge
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick Room
- Follow Me
- Helping Hand
- Dazzling Gleam
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Blood Moon
- Protect
- Earth Power
Amoonguss
Ability: Effect Spore
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD
Quirky Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rage Powder
- Spore
- Protect
- Clear Smog
Farigiraf @ Throat Spray
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Hyper Voice
- Psychic
- Trick Room
Indeedee has no hp investment bc of sash
I need one last sweeper
timber falcon
Armarouge @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / ...
better to use pokepaste btw, assuming u made this on showdown
timber falcon
so did u win?
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/4cfd6a03645d4108
why specifically 20 spe giraf?
and bolt wants t bolt over web
raw thistle
so did u win?
i did
for a moment i thought random sash would pull up but it didn't lmao
upbeat quail
why specifically 20 spe giraf?
I have a shiny one in game with 20 speed IVs
timber falcon
I have a shiny one in game with 20 speed IVs
oh ok that makes sense
molten oasis
I have a shiny one in game with 20 speed IVs
Rip
timber falcon
probs cause of torkoal, back up sweep maybe?
upbeat quail
To reverse other trick rooms or counter TW teams
molten oasis
To reverse other trick rooms or counter TW teams
You already semi do this with venu
And if a torn shows up it hates wake
Setting a weather hurts it
timber falcon
also torkoal counters tr teams hard, literally the slowest viable mon rn
molten oasis
And yiu have icy wind flutter
upbeat quail
I’m debating on dropping venu for a brute bonnet for a couple of matches.
molten oasis
Not bonnet, Liligant
timber falcon
no why bonnet
molten oasis
Bonnet is very eh
upbeat quail
Bonnet is a cool dude
timber falcon
bonnet only allows more flutter weakness
molten oasis
Yea but unfortunately it’s still not really good
molten oasis
Bonnet isn’t really a replacement for venu
timber falcon
After you in sun is cool
dont forget solar blade
upbeat quail
Oh shit. Solar blade and close combat.
molten oasis
I don’t see any reason for Fari
You have torkoal, eweb bolt and icy wind flutter
Except prio prevention
timber falcon
oh yeah and remove that eweb
timber falcon
why would one want icy wind and eweb when u can go for proto boosted t boltt
wouldnt bolt wanna hit hard on teams like this?
molten oasis
wouldnt bolt wanna hit hard on teams like this?
It hits plenty hard
timber falcon
but it can hit harder
molten oasis
I don’t disagree that tbolt should be here
But if you want tbolt you get rid of eweb or snarl,
Idk
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2083918059 slowly going through the low ladder shenanigans 
but it is refreshing to see unique teams
molten oasis
Neat
I hate that team lmao
Heat wave weezing is crazy
Oh yea, I might post a new rental with the updated gapdos team
I’ll have a write up for mu’s this time
timber falcon
Heat wave weezing is crazy
fr his only blunder was going toxic over willow
timber falcon
willo > toxic for me anyday, doubles doesnt last too many turns so toxic has less of an impact than iusual
molten oasis
Yea
craggy swan
What's the best stat spread for porygon 2
tryna make it bulky enough to survive 2 attacks the first turn
solid frigate
tryna make it bulky enough to survive 2 attacks the first turn
Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 164 HP / 64 Def / 216 SpA / 64 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick Room
- Tera Blast
- Foul Play
- Recover
I'm not sure about the Moveset
and Tera
craggy swan
Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 1...
I'm gonna try and add sunny day into that so thanks!
gentle cragBOT
I'm gonna try and add sunny day into that so thanks!
yukaroihonda has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456
solid frigate
EVs plus Eviolite makes it VERY Bulky
you capped out in 118 in Physical and 123 for special and with Eviolite it boosts to 1.5x
i might as well make a ist of how good Restricted Pokemon Will be in Prediction
and trust me,people will hate it
forest pecan
Has there ever been a use of Soak in doubles ? Removing the stabs and potentially set up a KO by using a Grass/Electric/Freeze Dry move with your other mon seems strong, no ?
solid frigate
1st Version, lemme know if there are changes
solid frigate
Has there ever been a use of Soak in doubles ? Removing the stabs and potentiall...
nobody would use it in VGC
cuz VGC is very Fast Paced compare to Smogon Doubles and i don't think any Pokemon in Smogon use Soak
molten oasis
1st Version, lemme know if there are changes
What is the point of Holy f- tier
Cuz kyogre and groudon are both like, a tier
Then the rest are s and maybe Mirai and the Caly’s get their own tier
solid frigate
What is the point of Holy f- tier
idk i just try to fuck around with them and try to list on them
molten oasis
Zacian isn’t broken beyond belief
Idt it’ll be stronger than miraidon
And koraidon also isn’t SS tier it’s like, S maybe A
That typing is not great
solid frigate
The point is Miraidon's Electric Terrain made Future Paradox Viable but it feels like nobody would use it
solid frigate
And koraidon also isn’t SS tier it’s like, S maybe A
i put it in like Low S
molten oasis
Yea that feels more right at least for speculation
forest pecan
cuz VGC is very Fast Paced compare to Smogon Doubles and i don't think any Pokem...
I was talking about VGC doubles but since you mentionned a difference between them, what is it ? Legality ?
solid frigate
It’s just, it’s dumb how bulky that thing is
i would say higher than Calyrex Glacial but worse than Kyurem White
solid frigate
Caly ice is S, maybe SS
high S?
molten oasis
Ho-oh is ok
solid frigate
cuz with that Power Creep,stall is Unlikely
molten oasis
Scared fire is good
solid frigate
C tier?
molten oasis
Sure
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
Fairly bulky
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
solid frigate
the stats isn't bad at all but stall will be very hard cuz the current Meta and Power Creep
molten oasis
Calm mind Mon probably
solid frigate
yeah
Lugia and Terapagos are basically the same but Terapagos Hits More Harder than Lugia and Lugia is more Bulky,but they both are just Calm Mind sweepers
what i would think is that Solgaleo might be the same as Lunala,but i feel Like Lunala is more better
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
mmm
solid frigate
its bulky and dragon dance with Weakness Policy
molten oasis
That does not give it S tier
solid frigate
but idk i need to look at Gen 7-8 restricted
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
solid frigate
i feel like its better than Regular Rayquaza but i feel like V-create Rayquaza might return-
molten oasis
It’s not
Ray has access to air lock which is useful into kyogre and groudon
although dnite is still better than ray as a pao partner
solid frigate
oh yeah i forgot Air Lock Cuz Terapagos has the better ability that also shuts down terrain-
solid frigate
although dnite is still better than ray as a pao partner
true
molten oasis
oh yeah i forgot Air Lock Cuz Terapagos has the better ability that also shuts d...
It’s 1 time and you need ti Tera
solid frigate
It’s 1 time and you need ti Tera
thats the drawback of Stellar Form cuz its very tera reliant,but i feel like it definently have some niche cuz Stellar Tera Starstorm nobody can resist it
solid frigate
its good but it needs tera to sweep
Kyogre is High A because it does not really need Tera to sweep cuz Scarf Water Spout
you most likely be Full HP if they did not attack Kyogre,which Calyrex shadow and glacial exists which is highly unlikely
molten oasis
Kyogre is High A because it does not really need Tera to sweep cuz Scarf Water S...
Miraidon and wellspring give it a hard time
solid frigate
Miraidon and wellspring give it a hard time
yeah cuz Ogerpon is a Phsycial grass attacker and Kyogre just deal way too much damage from Ogerpon and Water Absorb and Miraidon is Miraidon
molten oasis
Mhmm
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/42e319963ca7760a is this a good iron bundle team? (first time building by myself)
next stump
I think if you’re going with a TR mode, you do not really want calm mind raging bolt
you can’t take advantage of your TR turns very well
solid frigate
would snarl is ok as well tho
molten oasis
No av but yea
solid frigate
No av but yea
i think i used one with Booster Energy
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/5822a2d1e42c91fd so like this?
solid frigate
Zenitsu (Raging Bolt) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 176 HP / 36 Def / 252 SpA / 44 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk
- Thunderclap
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor
- Snarl
molten oasis
Ig
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/5822a2d1e42c91fd so like this?
damn if your team has Sun and Electric Terrain Raging Bolt would be very good-
molten oasis
It’s not really a sun team but yea that’s a good point
solid frigate
It’s not really a sun team but yea that’s a good point
Yeah Imagine someone ran Groudon+Miraidon-
and Raging Bolt Exists
sadly my Raging Bolt need booster cuz i can't use Sun Team on Kyogre and Electric Terrain kinda hurts It as well
molten oasis
That’ll exist
solid frigate
yea
sadly i am Violet so i can't use Raging Bolt cuz i don't have it,i'm asking for trade in Trading general
molten oasis
You’ll get one
solid frigate
You’ll get one
yeah I got Landorus finally i need my final New Member
solid frigate
You’ll get one
welp i got shut down by someone who gives Raging Bolt cuz i don't have their exact amount they need
(Even tho they did not tell me how much-)
molten oasis
Rip
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/5822a2d1e42c91fd so like this?
It's good
foggy lodge
It's not a correction but just a question, do you really want to run Chi-Yu and Inci in the same team?
Ah yeah and why the Rocky helmet on farigiraf?
You can just use mental herb or even throat spray if you are running hyper voice
atomic mural
thats true
I remember the Bundle Chi yu and flutter mane core being decent
could replace incin with that
i think a default choice specs set would suffice
https://pokepast.es/3f30439ea75d221d so like this
foggy lodge
It's good
I think i don't need to say it but you have to think well when to use TR, obviously you are not using TR when your booster energy Iron Bundle just got in the field
But i understand it's a semi TR team
atomic mural
i just dont know what else i want to run on it]
atomic mural
I like trick room just not in scarlet and violet
foggy lodge
Tornadus
Speed control with prankster tailwind and you can just use prankster sunny day to boost Flutter and Chi-Yu
atomic mural
would it be worth removing my way of stopping thunderclap on iron bundle
wet wedge
Tera Shell Terapagos never fails to impress bruh
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 384-452 (58.8 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Kyogre Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Rain: 222-262 (56.3 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
atomic mural
atomic mural
I mean, you can just, play good
thats the thing, I cant
cyan smelt
Same, I'm super inconsistent
atomic mural
https://pokepast.es/9536527841c12b5a torn just doesn't help when I could just have farigiraf and block thunderclap and not need any brain cells
cyan smelt
Have you tried lando
atomic mural
I dont think it would help as much as farigaraf
it also helps blocking fake out from incineroar and rillaboom as well as grassy glide from rilla
cyan smelt
The only problem is farigiraf is super weak to chien Pao and urshifu single strike
And incin ofc
atomic mural
I think for now ill test the team and see how to improve it
and then when the regulation g comes out (hopefully 1 restricted)
I can still use iron bundle and add miradon
https://pokepast.es/24676d0c833efc29 something like this
atomic mural
(Imagine iron bundle focus sash)
old tulip
Does anyone have a list or know how to build a basculegion rain team?
mighty stump
Does anyone have a list or know how to build a basculegion rain team?
Take the regular Rain set and slap Basculegion on it.
Pelipper/Archaludon/Urshifu/Basculegion/Amoonguss
Tornadus or something else can be your last mon
mighty stump
https://pokepast.es/9536527841c12b5a torn just doesn't help when I could just ha...
Having Bundle/Chi/Flutter makes the team extremely fragile to start
If you have Farigiraf you might as well slap on BM Ursaluna
Especially with access to FO support
Alternatively I would get rid of Helping Hand and at least run Encore on Bundle, and run Freeze Dry over Icy Wind. Flutter Mane can use Icy Wind as well.
Which gives some better degree of board control
@foggy lodge and this is the 2nd time I’ve seen give pointless advice like “just play better”
rose scroll
old tulip
@mighty stump you rock! thank you!
gentle cragBOT
<@250386799363489808> you rock! thank you!
schiller. has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
gentle delta
Take the regular Rain set and slap Basculegion on it.
Pelipper/Archaludon/Urshif...
Lando
I'd say Lando should absolutely be #6 there
mighty stump
Probably
I like redundancy in Torn sometimes, Lando-I would help deal with Raging Bolt, although I'm fairly comfortable without Lando-I
noble lily
is this a bad team for double battle competitive? i just made this team and its my first
im kinda new
timber falcon
As Drago would say, “urshifu over palafin 99% of the time”
timber falcon
Also the team seems very outdated
patent marsh
is this a bad team for double battle competitive? i just made this team and its ...
have you started dlc 1 n 2 yet?
autumn vault
is this a bad team for double battle competitive? i just made this team and its ...
Its a reg A team, i reccomend to update it with other pokemon from the legendary catagory and dlc pokemon
only arma is not outdated
and even then it has to be used it psychic terrain to shine
patent marsh
ive beaten the whole dlc
is there a specific reason as to why you haven't used anything outside of 1-398 of the main paldea dex?
noble lily
i saw a team i thought was good
patent marsh
ah
noble lily
then put corresponding build on the pokemon
patent marsh
armarouge not really good unless you have something like indeedee to set up psychic terrain as lycopoky mentioned
the rest have a pretty hard time playing in current regulation
noble lily
what would be a good time atm
autumn vault
ape is a niche at best
patent marsh
yea ape is like second most usable mon from that 6
autumn vault
palafin is already outdated, even worse it has AV
noble lily
palafin is already outdated, even worse it has AV
whats av?
autumn vault
tink isnt that great but fake out hits through armor tail
patent marsh
what would be a good time atm
if you still wanna use armarouge I'd recommend seaching teams that use it + indeedee in current regulation
noble lily
ok
autumn vault
Meow, Kilowattrel and palafin have to go sadly
and maybe tinkaton if the team does great into fari
noble lily
Meow, Kilowattrel and palafin have to go sadly
ok
but what pokemon do i raplace those with?
im not really a pro at this kinda stuff tbh
autumn vault
but what pokemon do i raplace those with?
Palafin -> Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Meow -> Ogerpon/Rillaboom
Kilowattrel -> literally any usable flying type
noble lily
really appreciate it @autumn vault
patent marsh
Palafin -> Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Meow -> Ogerpon/Rillaboom
Kilowattrel -> literal...
sucks that genies not in SV
need pla or SwSh to get that
autumn vault
sucks that genies not in SV
yup
noble lily
Palafin -> Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Meow -> Ogerpon/Rillaboom
Kilowattrel -> literal...
what kind of build for each pokemon though?
autumn vault
what kind of build for each pokemon though?
ask someone else, i barely know spreads at all
patent marsh
ill give 5 apriballs
unnecessary tbh
noble lily
?
patent marsh
you could use This to search for builds and experiment in Showdown before using it in SV
mighty stump
ask someone else, i barely know spreads at all
Just give them Pikalytics lmao wtf is this response
autumn vault
I am not great with spreads
patent marsh
pikalytics my beloved
autumn vault
i am using pikalytics for spreads recently, i still barely know how they work but ik they do great for my pokemon (also i woke up an hour ago so my brain wasn't computing that much and i forgot that pikalytics has spreads)(sorry)
gentle delta
Just stumbled into Joseph Ugarte on Bo3 ladder and won AMA
noble lily
where are the ev spread?
mighty stump
where are the ev spread?
It only shows on the showdown ladder setting
noble lily
im trying to click on ogerpon in team builder and it wont let me
mighty stump
im trying to click on ogerpon in team builder and it wont let me
Use the Showdown teambuilder instead
cyan smelt
foggy lodge
<@797571447118757910> and this is the 2nd time I’ve seen give pointless advice l...
It's my best way to tell that you don't need to have a counter to every mon lol
gentle delta
It's my best way to tell that you don't need to have a counter to every mon lol
Or you could just say that instead of being dickish
foggy lodge
?????
When was i dickish, i never called him bad or something, it's just the same with P2 and the knock offs, just be careful with the move and not let him too expose to receive one
Probably i just sound like that because i didn't explain my point well
noble lily
is this team bad? should i replace anyone?
cyan smelt
if you're setting up tr you want mons that can benefit from it like torkoal or ursaluna bm, dark types are immune to psyspam
cyan smelt
nevertheless you need something to counter flutter and bolt and hard tr
noble lily
im gonna be honest i dont understand half of what you just said
i dont understand all of these terms
foggy lodge
Uhhh
noble lily
nevertheless you need something to counter flutter and bolt and hard tr
flutter mane and raging bolt?
foggy lodge
Add Inci instead of Tinkaton
noble lily
ok
foggy lodge
The mon is bad and Inci also has fake out, intimidate, knock off and more things than Tinkaton
With Inci you have a water-grass-fire core, and i would change Annihilape with something like
patent marsh
flutter mane and raging bolt?
The best fairy type on format and funny electric dragon that has an electric sucker punch
cyan smelt
flutter mane and raging bolt are two popular scarlet paradox pokemon
foggy lodge
I've never seen a 2 water types balance team but i can work
foggy lodge
flutter mane and raging bolt are two popular scarlet paradox pokemon
Yeah Raging is good, and more to the semi-TR team you are using
cyan smelt
yeah if you put snarl on bolt you deal with opposing psyspam pretty well
unless hatterene has covert cloak
foggy lodge
Yeah but in a BO3 format with open teamsheet you know that, and you can lead Inci with knock off
cyan smelt
oh yeah bo3 is completely different
noble lily
I've never seen a 2 water types balance team but i can work
ok i have this now any other mons that i should replace?
gentle delta
Armarouge should be slow, not fast. As it is a trick room pokemon
you want 252 hp, 252 spatt, and 4 spdef with a quiet nature and 0 speed IVs
and Id personally go with Armor Cannon over Heat Wave, so he doesnt get completely blanked by Wide Guard
What are the tera types on Armarouge and Indeedee?
Id recommend Grass for Armarouge and Fairy for Indeedee
mighty stump
It's my best way to tell that you don't need to have a counter to every mon lol
Not really a best way. If you can’t explain things well then just don’t bother.
If you can, go ahead.
My point is stop outputting pointless comments that don’t build upon discussion
It’s an issue this channel has enough of already
foggy lodge
When is playing good a pointless comment
It's just play around that, and he had a Rillaboom Assault vest and later they recommended him Lando-I
He had tools to have a good MU against Raging
steep elk
my first competitive team so im unsure if its good and would like guidence to make it better Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Horn Leech
- Spiky Shield
- Swords Dance
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 160 Def / 252 SpA / 96 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Electro Shot
- Aura Sphere
- Flash Cannon
- Dark Pulse
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Surging Strikes
- Detect
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
Politoed @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Helping Hand
- Protect
- Haze
- Muddy Water
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Pollen Puff
- Spore
- Sludge Bomb
- Clear Smog
Zapdos @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Static
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder
- Tailwind
- Roost
- Hurricane
foggy lodge
my first competitive team so im unsure if its good and would like guidence to ma...
Pelipper instead of Politoed
Pelipper gives you tailwind and Hurricane
steep elk
i tried that but felt the damage output wasnt very good which is what i have zapdos for politoad can use helping hand to help with damage output and tailwind hurricane and thunder on an offensive zapdos allows for good consistent damage
foggy lodge
You can drop Zapdos and add Raging bolt, Raging can use snarl and electroweb
Or even Lando-I
steep elk
true ill give them a try
mighty stump
When is playing good a pointless comment
Because you didn’t state HOW
foggy lodge
Which i later did-
mighty stump
Even if information seems obvious, that’s the whole point of advising
foggy lodge
I understand that and accept the mistake that in the moment i had to explain
mighty stump
I’m sure it was just a mild oversight, I just like clarity so everyone learns
steep elk
You can drop Zapdos and add Raging bolt, Raging can use snarl and electroweb
ok i see what you mean
foggy lodge
I’m sure it was just a mild oversight, I just like clarity so everyone learns
Yeah
I can take the L anyways, don't worry
foggy lodge
ok i see what you mean
Raging Bolt with snarl and electroweb uses Assault Vest
Ah wait Archaludon
foggy lodge
Totem or Incarnate?
steep elk
totem
upbeat quail
Good ting Lu counters?
mighty stump
Ogerpon-Wellspring/Urshifu/Rillaboom.
Less of counters, more of just threatening it to blow Tera/make bringing it a rough thjng to do.
Alternatively you can just constantly cycle Intimidate/Parting Shot to just severely reduce it’s damage output
Grass types generally also are preferred since you see Ting with Dozo atm whos just gonna Yawn spam + Sand Tomb
autumn vault
252 Atk Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera-Poison Landorus: 142-168 (86.5 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
Ogerpon you were this close to becoming the ultimate Landorus Incarnate counter
Just calculating how to murder every landorus incarnate that comes in my way
crimson flume
Still analyzing old messages... I hope the crown - tornadus - landorus core are still viable this season.
Was busy in PLA for awhile, but I don't want to miss this rank season either lmao.
Okay. Starting from Great Ball Tier.
Not bad.
crimson flume
Just calculating how to murder every landorus incarnate that comes in my way
I hope we don't end up fighting in rank lmao.
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2084451759-292g83rmtobqoa9hm4...
Torkal just murdered 2 Paradoxes like a boss
atomic mural
Would there be a Pokémon that would become very good in electric terrain?
(That’s not future paradox pokemon)
bold geode
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2084451759-292g83rmtobqoa9hm4...
Tf did I just watch
Dillon
Are you using Smeargle
solid frigate
Would there be a Pokémon that would become very good in electric terrain?
Raging Bolt
and Raging Bolt Only
bold geode
Well
Iron Bundle
molten oasis
Dillon
Are you using Smeargle
He sent that team yesterday to the chat
bold geode
Iron Hands
molten oasis
Hands gets an attack boost
solid frigate
Well
Iron Bundle
no future parafox
bold geode
He sent that team yesterday to the chat
-15 social credit
solid frigate
then its only Bolt
molten oasis
Eleki
solid frigate
oh yeah that
bold geode
Trust me when I say
molten oasis
Oof
bold geode
That Miraidon coming out will validate future paradox mons a bit
next stump
yep i’m the gross smeargle player
molten oasis
It gives bundle an item
bold geode
yep i’m the gross smeargle player
-15 social credit I'm sorry
molten oasis
That’s huge, we can now have sash bundle that’s also speed boosting
bold geode
I am legally obligated to hate on Smeargle
solid frigate
That Miraidon coming out will validate future paradox mons a bit
only for a bit in restricted but i feel like its still nichie due to restricted format being chaos
atomic mural
That Miraidon coming out will validate future paradox mons a bit
Miradon iron bundle teams unite
bold geode
It already is a niche team archetype, but it'll get some validity with Miraidon coming back as we'll get a terrain setter that actually is worth a damn
solid frigate
me who does not use Miraidon:Ah fu-
bold geode
Unlike what
Pinch urchin?
solid frigate
no
atomic mural
Fast bolt beam gonna be crazy
solid frigate
i did not use Electric Terrain-
bold geode
Ok so?
solid frigate
i say that Multiple times i use Terapagos/Giratina and Kyogre
(Yes i still don't know if Giratina or Terapagos should be my second restricted
Ogerpon Will be before 2 restricted
bold geode
Honestly it's not a good idea to even be playing for that shit rn
solid frigate
ik,i just doing bs because i have so limited stuff
willow vault
i say that Multiple times i use Terapagos/Giratina and Kyogre
(Yes i still don'...
Giratina, Why?
willow vault
What do you have access to?
solid frigate
What do you have access to?
almost all Legendaries,but Minus Calyrex and Regis
Seriously if Calyrex is in the SV DLC then its more possible i use That instead of Giratina
you can blame me Skipped Gen 8
so yeah,no Darkest Day Trio
willow vault
Fair enough
solid frigate
Fair enough
so Giratina and Terapagos is my best Option Rn since Groudon and Koraidon feels bad for Kyogre and Miraidon makes Kyogre very vulnerable
solid frigate
you still cant use calyrex without swsh
Exactly like why Gamefreak mess up with not releasing Calyrex
willow vault
What does kyogre have that can hit koraidon?
solid frigate
What does kyogre have that can hit koraidon?
Koraidon sets up Sun.
willow vault
Oh yeah I forget it’s part dragon
chrome knot
oh koraidon
solid frigate
and My Team IS RAIN TEAM.
chrome knot
water spout and pray
willow vault
and My Team IS RAIN TEAM.
Then build a new team
chrome knot
bc what does koraidon have for kyogre lmao
solid frigate
bc what does koraidon have for kyogre lmao
nothing but Ruin Kyogre;s Water Spouting Problems
chrome knot
it will
molten oasis
and i think it probably gets 2hko'ed by collision course
its defense is still high but its a lot lower than its special defense
solid frigate
Raging Bolt could 2HKO with Draco Meteor,but then again idk
chrome knot
single restricted will be fun bc i legit
mighty stump
Well
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon in Rain: 176-208 (100.5 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
chrome knot
change 1 pokemon and call it a day
molten oasis
yeesh
chrome knot
yeah see
willow vault
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ko...
Idk be damned
chrome knot
water spout goes hard
mighty stump
Base 150 SpA isn't funny
willow vault
That’s mad
molten oasis
how much does that do to bolt?
solid frigate
how much does that do to bolt?
i feel like its still OHKO-
but Thunderclap says otherwise
cuz Kyogre does not run Status Moves,unless you use Calm Mind Set
molten oasis
i feel like its still OHKO-
bolt is bulkier
molten oasis
wait
mighty stump
its a 2HKO with AV
molten oasis
ig not lol
mighty stump
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Raging Bolt in Rain: 192-226 (85.7 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
lol
craggy dagger
wtf
molten oasis
jeez
solid frigate
yep.
thats how Gen 3-4 Ubers or VGC be like.
thats just too Much damage
but Raging Bolt has Thunderclap so that would be something
mighty stump
Can't wait to run Pikachu + Kyogre and make everyone who thought Bolt was relevant into Kyogre to suffer
solid frigate
there is no way that kills a kyogre
but nerf the damage of Water Spout
mighty stump
lol tofu and his tera fairy pikachu
im telling u man
If Miraidon isnt gonna run coverage and I know some sets wont
chrome knot
im just gonna put kyogre to bed
mighty stump
It's the same schtick
solid frigate
It's the same schtick
Miraidon Electro Drift?
mighty stump
molten oasis
pikachu has lighning rod
solid frigate
pikachu has lighning rod
yep,wait fake out Pikachu for Lols
chrome knot
252+ Atk Lilligant-Hisui Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 222-264 (107.2 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
yay
solid frigate
252+ Atk Lilligant-Hisui Solar Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 222-264 (107.2 -...
LMAO Me and My Friend Talked about Hisuian Lilligant's Viability in DMs lol
chrome knot
its viable even right now…?
solid frigate
nope
chrome knot
yes
chrome knot
LMAO right???
mighty stump
Who lied to you
dull ibex
hello
solid frigate
i literally,NEVER SEEN ONE
mighty stump
Yeah but that's anecdotal. Currently some recent tournaments and top cuts with Psyspam/Hillikoal have results
solid frigate
i become so dumb i forgot that exist
dull ibex
something being underused doesnt make it not viable thats stupid
dull ibex
oh i thought that was serious for a second
chrome knot
tofutofu did you see me this weekend🥺
dull ibex
I was like wait did they buff pika lmao
mighty stump
Yes Emmie u did good
dull ibex
tofu do you wanna vc im thinking about doing a few games of showdown?
dull ibex
i levelled up to good at game😭
Lucky! im working on that part
chrome knot
yes but like
mighty stump
Just cause you wanted to improve
chrome knot
able to hang with all the toronto people
mighty stump
tofu do you wanna vc im thinking about doing a few games of showdown?
Nah i'm busy atm and getting ready for bed too
I have work tomorrow
dull ibex
Nah i'm busy atm and getting ready for bed too
gotcha
mighty stump
crying
dull ibex
I need to get a more up to date team and upload it to my back up teams
solid frigate
i don't even know which of the Second restricted should i bring
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/f41d6ae076565604 gonna try this
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i don't even know which of the Second restricted should i bring
next format likely single restricted
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next format likely single restricted
yeah i did want to bring Hearthflame Ogerpon for this or Maybe Single Strike Urshifu
Urshifu Tera might be Dark
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2 choice scarf mons
whims is kinda awful
not awful but clicking buttons on torn is just easier
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not awful but clicking buttons on torn is just easier
remember what i say about i am VERY Limited cuz i don't have Money for Gen 8
i literally begged for that Landorus with 2 Apriballs
wait i forgot i have 2 scarf mons
mighty stump
Just in case anyone did not know you cannot pass Volt Tackle with a Mirror Herb
chrome knot
i found out moonblast a9 & head smash h-arc were egg moves
worst team building experience
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Just in case anyone did not know you cannot pass Volt Tackle with a Mirror Herb
isn't that an Egg Move for Pichu Line at least?
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ok thats off
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mhm
chrome knot
oop
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Generic Pikachu time ig
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i need to see at least 0.01% usage on Pikachu
crimson flume
Torkal just murdered 2 Paradoxes like a boss
I'm prepping a hisuian lilligant in case I want to bring torkoal again.
I remember getting crushed by after you + eruption lmao.
craggy dagger
pika pika :>
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It's honestly barebones compared to my other stuff by I do not have the time anymore at the moment lmao
But im happy it's there
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I hope we don't end up fighting in rank lmao.
I just hate facing Landorus Incarnate
But yeah do not underestimate me
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I just hate facing Landorus Incarnate
sandsear storm go brrr
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Anyways i haven't been playing comp recently, i will see how my sand team kept up
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Can ghost doge still be viable in a sand team?
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Can ghost doge still be viable in a sand team?
As someone that experimented with it, yes
But use a supportive one
Last respects howl will o wisp protect
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Yeah that was the plan!
What team you got in mind?
Ttar
Houndy?
What else?
I kind of broke so can't get like Urshifu and stuff
I got the DLC though
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I used tyranitar
Houndstons
Ursaluna BM
Farigiraf
Ogerpon wellspring
Raging bolt
It won a showdown room tour
craggy dagger
ooo
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Note to self: TR tyranitar busted af
near smelt
I used tyranitar
Houndstons
Ursaluna BM
Farigiraf
Ogerpon wellspring
Raging bolt
Why TR?
near smelt
Oooooh okay
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I use goggles fari on that team
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Could ya link it? A bit busy rn?
gentle cragBOT
lycopoky (ID 1104069302946103348)
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Here it is
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Here it is
I like using under represented pokemon so I get drawn to stuff like this
So would you recommend using Hounstone + Exa?
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I never tested both at the same time but i dont think 2 sand abusers in a team is good unless you built the team around sand
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....could you kind of help me >.<" ...you seem a lot more proficient in sand
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Sure
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I can help with sand
near smelt
😄
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Send the paste
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I dont think so
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That's fine! I've kept up with the new stuff
So around those three.
Exadrill playing with sand rush having a TW setter would be a good idea. Would Whimsicott help cover Ttar along with the prankster?
(Don't have access to Torn_
Could also inadvertenly make the fairy core with a Raging bolt kept
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So around those three.
Exadrill playing with sand rush having a TW setter would...
Whim is fine
Having torn is better
But whim is fine
near smelt
Having an intimdator would help against Urshifu matchup since water is a weakness so far
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I actually saw a sand team with whim
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Oh :O?
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Having an intimdator would help against Urshifu matchup since water is a weaknes...
Surging strikes ignores attack nerfs
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Also what are you thouhts of Okidoki?
There has been a very succesfull team with okidogi that has sand
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Would you reccommend in this variation?