competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Like with Bloodmoon’s ability NOT ignoring snow cloak for example

It’s just boosts

[gentle delta]

Slaking no Weezing wut

[charred saddle]

oh right yeah

[molten oasis]

Aw hell nah skill swap shenanigans

[charred saddle]

good to know now, thanks haha

[molten oasis]

Don’t do my boy Hydrapple dirty with that stupid strategy

[charred saddle]

i really cant imagine icy caly later fuck

dude is fucking tanky and glacial lance?

[gentle delta]

hmmmm

[charred saddle]

free blizzard goaddamn

[molten oasis]

Man, don’t remind me of the caly’s

[gentle delta]

caly gets my hot and bothered

[molten oasis]

I am not looking forward to either of them

ESPECIALLY Shadow rider

[charred saddle]

i think one of the drawbacks of glast i tried was, a scenario where glacial lance will easily wins the game

but it only has icicle crash, and it can miss

[gentle delta]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2074608574-fom115x83eijmny1ik4mfutcpsbwh59pw

I learned nothing from this game about either my team or my opponents tbh

[charred saddle]

kek

[molten oasis]

STELLAR HYDRAPPLE

[charred saddle]

the encore to force TR

[molten oasis]

WHY, ITS TYPING IS SO ASS

[gentle delta]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2074609697-vohw3fy6lvziygly12566kzh2lo1yk7pw

CHRIST SHOWDOWN LADDER PEOPLE IM TRYING TO TEST

[molten oasis]

LMFAO

that rage quit was so real

[charred saddle]

drago drago

[molten oasis]

What does he do after that tr went up lol

[charred saddle]

https://youtu.be/7ff57QQJwgw?si=LPmxpBNu3ALf_NRt

james baek also featured the team

[molten oasis]

Yea, they’re loving it

[gentle delta]

Ngl it was wild to wake up and see that a friend won a regional

[charred saddle]

dude idk why but i fucking love this one

[molten oasis]

And I’m honestly not planning on touching it

[charred saddle]

like it has so much fun stuff in the team

[molten oasis]

But it’s a very cool team

[charred saddle]

and winnning the tour is so fucking damn nice

[molten oasis]

I’m just at the point where I want to enhance my skill in balance a lot

and like yes that’s a balance team, but, I like my gapdos Primarina team

A lot

[charred saddle]

eh idk if you can call the team balance tbh

[molten oasis]

Hmmmm

[charred saddle]

in some scenes it just felt like ur spam clicking the same move

[molten oasis]

Specs Articuno, Banded Harc

Blizzard spam

[charred saddle]

and balance for me is just being flexible, like pivoting and all

its quite hard to pivot with the team

[molten oasis]

Well it’s a snow team

[charred saddle]

yeah haha

[molten oasis]

I think it’s just under that category of team, like how rain is rain sun is sun etc

[charred saddle]

i mean you can quite say its a balanced team ig?

[molten oasis]

You want to go in and just, do the weather thing

[charred saddle]

yeah maybe so

[molten oasis]

It’s a balanced team idk about it being balance

I think it also just loses pretty hard to tr

On paper at least

I haven’t fought it yet but I’ve also played a whopping 3 games in the past 2 days

I’m like at the point where idk what to build with and also kinda bored of the reg

Anyway snow team cool

It ain’t for me

But it’s cool

[gentle delta]

finally had a real game against a real team and so far the strat is working as intended

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2074611513-8ip70ak2xt6jipjmneoye8ph4ok7j6qpw

[molten oasis]

Did not think scream tail would 2hko a hands at +1

[gentle delta]

hands was -1

[molten oasis]

Right, I didn’t notice that lmao

Kinda spaced it clicked close combat

[gentle delta]

idea is solid but needs to cook more, I think Araqua isnt it gonna do Hands and waterpon

https://pokepast.es/05258aef2589241d

I have yet to bring Farig but it feels like a correct mon lol

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[gentle delta]

Not me looking through my million psyspam things and coming to the conclusion that a small update to the team in my blowup video is probably the right team for me rn

[molten oasis]

lol

[gentle delta]

https://pokepast.es/1e201085703ef752

[molten oasis]

stellar ape, interesting

[gentle delta]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regfbo3-2074627315-824nu4z73m5pt9rofkw58jcd7w2d5xfpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regfbo3-2074628465-tvayx7sc8e4dj0megj4neqmi12w6fbapw

yawn

[gentle delta]

tbh its just because hes usually not attacking more than once, so its to get the most oomph out of one hit

[molten oasis]

thats fair

hes either hitting hard or taking something down with him

[cyan smelt]

does kowtow cleave still hit bright powder snow cloak articuno in hail?

[molten oasis]

yes

[cyan smelt]

epic

[molten oasis]

kowtow has no accuracy check

[gentle delta]

so far ape is feeling cute rather than good

prob going back to oger

[wispy spade]

Meow

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/de5529f2d8a96591 Any good 5th and 6th team members?

Sand Team btw

[real prairie]

i like Ogre rock but you already have ogre water

lando is also a good one

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

You need it for tornshifu mu

[real prairie]

yeah was about to suggest that

rain dance + rapid strike kills you

[molten oasis]

And also he just cool, I like him

[autumn vault]

I read what you said

Should i go bolt safety goggles then?

[molten oasis]

Uhh

[real prairie]

leftovers bolt and life orb lando maybe

[molten oasis]

I like lefties calm mind here

[autumn vault]

Funny thing is i already have that in game

[molten oasis]

Then goggles incin

You don’t have fake out

I like FO here

[autumn vault]

He is right

[real prairie]

i like FO, i hate the wrestle cat

its a personal problem

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-boohoo-cry-baby-gif-10647085

[real prairie]

lool

[molten oasis]

But like seriously

Don’t NOT use incin

[autumn vault]

I was planning Landorus Therian since it has intimidate and does not take damage from sandstream but goggles incin seems great

[molten oasis]

It’s so dumb imo, it’s such a great high utility Mon

[real prairie]

unfortunately Incin > Lando T

[molten oasis]

I think it’s easier to go by not using flutter cuz it’s just an offensive Mon

[autumn vault]

Still occasionaly sees less usage than wellspring and lower than fucker mane

[molten oasis]

Eh

I think Incin is better than Flutter but not wellspring

[autumn vault]

Agree

[molten oasis]

I think Wellspring is the best Mon in the format rn

[real prairie]

Put Incin in the bin 😉

[molten oasis]

Use it

[autumn vault]

I have a shiny female one so no

[molten oasis]

You don’t have fo you don’t have intimidate

[real prairie]

joking aside, its one of if not the top mon

[molten oasis]

🤝

Oh funnily enough bolt was in the top 3 in usage I believe at the last regional

[autumn vault]

Now that the members are out of the way, any complaints/questions about the team?

[molten oasis]

It was higher than fluttermane lol

[autumn vault]

and flutter was 6th on usage lmao, deserved it

[molten oasis]

Bolt too good fr fr

Why are we ghost Tera on ttar

[autumn vault]

4x weakness to fighting and blocking fake out

[real prairie]

fake out avoidance 😁

[autumn vault]

also ttar is adamant

[molten oasis]

I think Fairy/Flying are better Tera’s personally

You don’t really need ttar to dodge FO

[autumn vault]

But the 4x weakness to fighting also is another reason for tera ghost

plus ghosts are easily manageable with its dark typing

[molten oasis]

Mmm yes I love losing to Single Strike

[autumn vault]

Unlikely to click wicked blow to a non-tera ttar unless its a predict

G-Zapdos can kill it aswell and murder every incin

[molten oasis]

If shifu sees you click ghost Tera it’s gonna sucker punch or wicked blow you

And gapdos being your only out is kinda eh

And like, bolt ig

Ttar also doesn’t really want to be taking sucker punches

[autumn vault]

So you are saying tera fairy for that dark-type bear?

[molten oasis]

Yea

[autumn vault]

I lose fake out block and now take (small) damage from fighting attacks

[molten oasis]

It’s also a better defensive typing imo, you just retain your steel weakness which you can easily play around with bolt and wellspring

[autumn vault]

and excadrill dont forget

[molten oasis]

excadrill is not exactly known for its bulk

[autumn vault]

I calc'd it to have a chance to survive surging strikes

let me run the calc

[real prairie]

is that only in sand?

[molten oasis]

oh you’re 20 speed…

[autumn vault]

oh wait it doesnt

[molten oasis]

That bulk doesn’t seem worthwhile

[autumn vault]

with adamant ursh it doesnt

[molten oasis]

Adamant urshifu is the most common thing rn

[autumn vault]

I still will run bulk on exca but not as much bulk as that

[molten oasis]

I think you hit a speed in which you outspeed booster gouging fire, max hp/att the dump the rest in the other stat

You want to be outspeeding scarf/booster stuff

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/577abea72a76d039 i will test how fast can it go on sand

[molten oasis]

And flutter is just not worth imo

[autumn vault]

I need more speed

[molten oasis]

Uhm

Honestly let’s outspeed fluttermane

[autumn vault]

max speed will do

[molten oasis]

Like most fluttermane

If it can

[autumn vault]

max speed with jolly is 154

with sand rush it is 308

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s good

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/d2129c9ce96420e8 updated excadrill

[molten oasis]

Uhm, could lower it so it hits like, 145

You outspeed most booster flutter that way

[autumn vault]

There might be faster fucker manes that are faster than that amount in sand rush

[molten oasis]

Then they have poorly optimized evs

[autumn vault]

true

[molten oasis]

Cuz no booster speed flutter really needs to be faster than that

Also the evs need to go into HP not the defense stats

[autumn vault]

Big diff between hp and defences

[molten oasis]

Well it’s pointless if it’s not intended for anything

You still don’t beat shifu

Or live surging

You die to most hard hitters anyway so just putting it into HP is better unless it’s specific calcs

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/85e9f11075fc7607 updated exca again x2

[molten oasis]

We’re not goggles incin?

[autumn vault]

I forgor

[molten oasis]

Lol, Tera ghost or water

[autumn vault]

I copypasted the set from my regigigas team

[molten oasis]

Ah fair

[autumn vault]

Any other issues? (except the goggles)

[molten oasis]

116 HP / 92 Def / 196 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe evs for bolt

[autumn vault]

I only have 1 bolt

[molten oasis]

Reset the evs and retrain it

[autumn vault]

Also is it ok to explain that set?

[molten oasis]

Lives flutter pao lando i things

Flutter and lando at +1 spD in this case

[autumn vault]

I put a lot of defense on my bolt because it will set up calm mind a lot and its a physical meta so the defense ev's will be useful

[molten oasis]

For what

[autumn vault]

Now that you ask idk

[molten oasis]

You only need 116/92 to live icicle crash

And then bolt only needs to get 1 calm mind up to get going usually

[autumn vault]

I was at the calc thing

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 96 HP / 160 Def Raging Bolt: 168-200 (79.2 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 96 HP / 160 Def Raging Bolt: 186-222 (87.7 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

It seems my defense investment is useful (rarely)

[molten oasis]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 116 HP / 92 Def Raging Bolt: 180-212 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

…

[autumn vault]

I read that

[molten oasis]

It’s not worth calcing adamant pao

If it’s adamant oof, plus you have excadrill for pao

[autumn vault]

good point you have there

Any more complaints?

(pls don't complain about G-Zapdos since it is YOUR set that works prefectly fine, i just copied it)

[autumn vault]

Also for a leftovers set i am not a fan of that spd investment

Is it ok if you explain that 100SpD?

[molten oasis]

So you don’t want to live flutter/lando things at +1

[autumn vault]

When i tera'd my bolt infront of a tera fairy Fucker Mane it did half of its health

[molten oasis]

220 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. +1 116 HP / 108 SpD Raging Bolt: 162-192 (75.3 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. +1 116 HP / 108 SpD Raging Bolt: 156-187 (72.5 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tera-Poison Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. +1 116 HP / 108 SpD Tera-Grass Raging Bolt: 156-187 (72.5 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[autumn vault]

OK that SpD investment is way more important than i thought ngl

No need to go on further

[molten oasis]

You also eat a gleam pre Tera

[autumn vault]

I knew that

[molten oasis]

36+ SpA Protosynthesis Tera-Fairy Flutter Mane Dazzling Gleam vs. 116 HP / 108 SpD Raging Bolt: 168-200 (78.1 - 93%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

And this

[autumn vault]

I said no need to go on further

i see how good it is and before

Anyways, i noticed that on the team there is 1 special attacker

https://pokepast.es/f04e2f86d420191c updated (again)

I am going to go for a bit, if anyone sees the pokepaste and wants to express some opinions pls ping me so i can look at it in the inbox later

[molten oasis]

They’re relevant lol

It’s just nice to know Yk

And also 5 physical attackers is fine

[upper granite]

whats the best dlc paradox mon?

[next stump]

Flutter

oh wait

[upper granite]

dlc

[next stump]

Raging Bolt as of now

Gouging Fire also solid

[upper granite]

so are the violet ones just ass?

[next stump]

Iron Crown is definitely usable, and Iron Boulder just got 9th place at a regional

but in the whole, they’re worse

[upper granite]

ok thanks

anyone have a raging bolt build I can use?

[timber falcon]

Just secured myself a Nintendo ban let’s go

[upper granite]

what did you do?

[timber falcon]

48% on maths

[upper granite]

damn

[timber falcon]

Guess I’ll play showdown in secret

[craggy dagger]

huh-

[upper granite]

I thought you got banned by nintendo

[timber falcon]

Nah I wouldn’t manage to do that

[craggy dagger]

oh-
you had your switch confiscated-
welcome to the realm of showdown testing

[molten oasis]

Really?

[timber falcon]

Yippee

[molten oasis]

We’re calling Bolt the best paradox now?

[upper granite]

dlc

[timber falcon]

Gouging fire a fraud

[craggy dagger]

is it not?
it’s like on par with flutter-

[craggy dagger]

no it’s not-

[molten oasis]

(I think it’s better and also way cooler than flutter)

[upper granite]

I asked what the best dlc paradox is

[next stump]

Bolt has the most results out of the 4

[molten oasis]

But that’s my bias talking lmao

[timber falcon]

Yuh uh

[molten oasis]

Ah true

It had a 51% usage at the most recent regional too right?

[craggy dagger]

owh-

[timber falcon]

Which 4?

[upper granite]

drago you have a raging bolt build I can steal?

[molten oasis]

I think, I DEFINITELY remember it being like 3rd or 4th, and flutter being 6th

[craggy dagger]

i mean bolt is-
kinda just there-
everyone was clowning on its looks and now look where it is

flutter was 5th i thought-

[molten oasis]

Nah it was 6th

[molten oasis]

Stormclaw (Raging Bolt) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 92 Def / 196 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Thunderclap
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl

[upper granite]

thanks

[gentle crag]

purplezzzz_ has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

Calm mind also works with the same spread

[craggy dagger]

but AV

[timber falcon]

Then I’ll also be stealing that

[craggy dagger]

WAIT SPREAD FK MY BRAIN IS EXTRA SLOW TODAY-

[timber falcon]

What are calcs for?

[molten oasis]

It’s, bruh

[craggy dagger]

yeah i’m being extra stupid today don’t mind me

[molten oasis]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f_21rjGQBCvmP_90NP-UT6g1OD7WgoUp9mfuyN65tb8/edit?usp=drivesdk

All the calcs work the same if bolt is at +1 spD

This spread is really running around the block huh

[timber falcon]

Atp game freak shoulda named it Raging Bulk

[upper granite]

should I have a setup mon?

[molten oasis]

What’s the team

[timber falcon]

Show that pokepaste

Or bin

[upper granite]

Im rebuilding the team you saw last night

so now I have incineroar flutter mane and raging bolt

so I need 3 more

[timber falcon]

Can’t go wrong with tailwind

I think flutter would like tailwind

Is it a balance team?

If so I’d add water ursh, rilla and torn

[upper granite]

Im just using builds that people gave me bc theyre good at the game unlike me

drago Im using the incineroar and flutter mane and raging bolt you gave me what else should I add

[molten oasis]

Paste?

[upper granite]

I didnt make it bc idk how to

Imma quickly scroll up and find it

[molten oasis]

Ok

[upper granite]

https://pokepast.es/4f0b34f128a65d54

[upper granite]

heres the paste

[molten oasis]

Right

[upper granite]

should I add a mon with spikes or rocks?

[molten oasis]

No, spikes are not good in vgc

[upper granite]

rocks?

[molten oasis]

We’re on these 3 I assume

[upper granite]

yes

[molten oasis]

Is that in showdown

[upper granite]

no

[molten oasis]

Spikes rocks toxic spikes are not good unless they’re byproducts

[upper granite]

ok

[molten oasis]

Glimmora toxic spikes are good because they’re byproducts

Anyway, do you need builds for those 3?

[upper granite]

no I used the builds you gave me I just need 3 more good mons

[molten oasis]

Alr

Do you know what kind of role you want next

[upper granite]

I guess a mon with some priority

[molten oasis]

Bolt has prio but uhm

We can do rillaboom or single strike urshifu

[upper granite]

whats the difference between the urshifus?

[autumn vault]

What kind of paradox team am i seeing?

[upper granite]

Im rebuilding it

[autumn vault]

Oh right

[molten oasis]

One is a dark fighting type with Wicked blow, a single hit move that deals 75 damage and always crits

The other one is a water fighting type with Surging strikes, a three hit move that deals 25 damage each (75) and always crits

[autumn vault]

So what team members do you have then?

[molten oasis]

Incin bolt flutter

[autumn vault]

Seems like a good core

But 3 more are needed

[molten oasis]

We can make bolt calm mind and then add rilla

[autumn vault]

With urshifu Single Strike has a more powerful priority move at the cost of needing the opponent attacking and Rapid strike can spam it all it wants but less power

And i mean aqua jet has way less power

[molten oasis]

They’re the same power moves

[upper granite]

so what else should I add?

[autumn vault]

I mean priority moves sucker punch and aqua jet

Wicked Blow and Surging Strikes are the same

[molten oasis]

Ah

Yea that’s why I suggested single strike

Rillaboom also good here imo

[autumn vault]

Incin bolt flutter urshifu single rillaboom

If it was rapid strike i would reccomend moon but there is a dark and a dragon so no

[timber falcon]

Speed control?

[molten oasis]

Idt moon works here

We can also just do the copy paste team

[upper granite]

copy paste team?

[molten oasis]

Incin bolt lando rapid shifu rilla pao

[autumn vault]

Decent team

[timber falcon]

I thought speed control is a must though-

[autumn vault]

It isnt

[timber falcon]

Or am I just plain wrong

Yeah the latter

[autumn vault]

Yes it is nice to have but there are some teams that do not need it

Can say this myself thanks to my gigas team

[molten oasis]

For a balance team it isn’t required

Speed control also doesn’t just meant tailwind icy wind or tr

Having priority is also speed control

[timber falcon]

I thought mons like flutter which rely on their speed would need it though.

[autumn vault]

Nah booster energy is what it needs for speed if its an issue

[timber falcon]

Oh I was just assuming specs

[upper granite]

it is

[timber falcon]

Yeah then surely tailwind is a benefit

[autumn vault]

For specs flutter is so naturaly fast it isnt needed on it

Tailwind helps it but not enough to justify using TW just because of mane

[upper granite]

it has specs

[timber falcon]

But it crumbles to other tailwind sets then

Which is a problem I think

[upper granite]

drago what else should I add?

[timber falcon]

Cause surely having ur opponent be able to constantly outspeed becomes an issue sooner or later

[autumn vault]

True, but it is so specially defensive that it only crumbles to physical attackers

[molten oasis]

What do we have rn again?

[timber falcon]

Which are quite common this reg

[upper granite]

incin bolt and mane

[autumn vault]

And even then you can train it very defensively

[molten oasis]

Single strike shifu

[timber falcon]

Then you’d give up it’s spatck and speed evs

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon wellspring

And, hmm

[timber falcon]

Making tailwind seem even better

[autumn vault]

Specs fixes the issue with sp attack

Speed it usually runs over 100 speed evs so it isnt an issue

[timber falcon]

I just leave mine at 180 speed on timid

Idk the evs for it

Either way I just think torn looks rly nice on the team

[upper granite]

drago whats the last mon?

[autumn vault]

That is true

[upper granite]

and can I get builds for the urshifu and ogerpon drago

[molten oasis]

Uh

[timber falcon]

Ursh usually just max max

[molten oasis]

Idk what to do for a 6th

[timber falcon]

Str and spe

[timber falcon]

Torn

[autumn vault]

Tornadus is looking nice

[molten oasis]

Shifu 252 att 252 speed adamant with sash

Wicked blow sucker punch close combat detect

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

Idk about torn here

I think rillaboom fits nicely

[upper granite]

So the last 3 are urshifu rillaboom and ogerpon

[molten oasis]

Yes

[upper granite]

Can I get a rilla build?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/b648313726c4de1f

Here’s a team, I think calm mind bolt works great here as you have 2 FO intimidate and follow me redirection

Oh, pulse over meteor if you want, and if you want protect over tbolt/tclap

[upper granite]

Ok thanks

[gentle crag]

purplezzzz_ has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

Np, send a ping if you need anything else

[upper granite]

Ok

[charred saddle]

lately was thinking about speed creeping waterpon

just bump the speed a bit more just to outspeed opposing waterpon and prevents from playing speed tie

[molten oasis]

With what

[charred saddle]

waterpon

[molten oasis]

Ah so hitting 170

[charred saddle]

yes

[molten oasis]

That’s what my hearthflame does

[charred saddle]

probably better to like take from attack

[molten oasis]

Yea

[charred saddle]

i mean firepon usually jsut want like max speed

[molten oasis]

Not the supportive ones

[charred saddle]

since it usually already gets +1 from tera

oh ye then thats a different case haha

[molten oasis]

Lol yea

[charred saddle]

was quite tempted to use firepon as support since it resists fairy

but then like the tera just doesnt fit the support role, and urshifu is still a big threat to it

but then again, firepon loves playing with bolt

so yeah

[molten oasis]

Here’s a different perspective

You have a support Pokémon that can become an offensive threat

[charred saddle]

its true

[molten oasis]

And like

[charred saddle]

i just dont really like having a kinda ambiguous role stuff, like i do get some of the ideas. just not fond of it

[molten oasis]

Technically wellspring also does that it just has a more defensive Tera

[molten oasis]

That’s fair

[charred saddle]

yes, the sp def usually brings a lot more value to the supportive role

[molten oasis]

True yea

[charred saddle]

while with firepon, ur basically shedding ur grass typing and just open to urshifu then

[molten oasis]

Something’s hearth fills a different niche as well

[charred saddle]

yeah

[molten oasis]

In my case it’s a better follow me support for Prima and gapdos than wellspring is cuz it resists the electric that’s an issue

[charred saddle]

didnt say firepon support is bad, just havent find the niche it has for me.

i do really wanna try firepon support soon tho

oh ye ye

[hoary shoal]

Firepon has mold breaker right?

[molten oasis]

If you’d like to try a support firepon, my rental is right there

But also the Regidrago Hearthflame stuff is also cool

[charred saddle]

i also wanna try rockpon soon. 100bp rock move is just crazy haha

and its not a tera hog anyway

100bp and accurate

[molten oasis]

lol true

The rock type thah isn’t reliant on the Tera and the move NOT missing

[hoary shoal]

Tbh I wish boulder was good

Mighty cleave seemed so broken on paper

[molten oasis]

Boulder is good as a fast offensive Mon

[charred saddle]

the stat is also broken

[molten oasis]

And also that is broken

[charred saddle]

just weird typing

[hoary shoal]

Its just not as good in vgc as it is in songles

[molten oasis]

It’s typing significantly holds it back from performing well

[hoary shoal]

Ye

[charred saddle]

like just put rock with some weird typing and all good

why psychic tho

[molten oasis]

I wasn’t really fond of boulder’s typing but like, he’s neat

In comp, but like

You’d rather have a shifu 90% of the time

[hoary shoal]

Should’ve made them fairy instead of psychic tbh

[molten oasis]

Uhm, no lol

[charred saddle]

diancie kek

[molten oasis]

I’m good on dealing with iron crown

As arguably the best typing in the game

[hoary shoal]

Oh true

Forgor about crown

[charred saddle]

well tbf

[molten oasis]

Leaves wouldn’t be good tho

[charred saddle]

rock fairy is quite ass typing

steel, ground, water

[dapper crag]

- [Rock/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fire, Flying, Normal

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Ice, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ground, Water

Weak (4x)

Steel

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

That’s not too bad

[charred saddle]

thats basically 3 of the common typings too rn

[molten oasis]

It’s not good

[charred saddle]

yeye

[molten oasis]

But like

You could be a worse typing

[hoary shoal]

Like rock psychic

[molten oasis]

And I see the take that rock steel is bad and I don’t really agree

Yea, having 2 4x weaknesses sucks

But like, yiu have those 2 and water

Play around it

[charred saddle]

just slap waterpon

[molten oasis]

True

[charred saddle]

and u good

EQ pressure? rilla helps and if not tera then

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

Also

We saw a fire rock Mon win multiple regionals

[dapper crag]

- [Fire/Rock]

Resists (0.25x)

Fire

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Flying, Ice, Normal, Poison

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Ghost, Grass, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Rock

Weak (4x)

Ground, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

that typing isn’t actually that bad huh

Lots of nice resistances

[craggy dagger]

it’s only weak to lando I

and-
water bear, waterpon

[molten oasis]

Shifu

[craggy dagger]

both bears i guess

[molten oasis]

Also check this out

[dapper crag]

- [Fire/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Flying, Normal, Poison, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground, Rock, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Same weaknesses

[craggy dagger]

no-

[molten oasis]

WEAKNESSES not resistances

[craggy dagger]

wel yess but one gets hit harder by two types

[molten oasis]

fsir

Where’d that paragraph go

[wind adder]

I moved it to scarlet_violet_discussion

[molten oasis]

Ah cool

[craggy dagger]

but resists are a nice trade

[molten oasis]

Yea

[molten oasis]

What team are you using rn?

[craggy dagger]

me-?

i don’t have a set team rn

showdown wiped my teams in my phone so i’m just getting them back

[knotty briar]

Hell yeah! Just got to master ball tier with this team

[craggy dagger]

ooooo

[knotty briar]

Some matches even ended up as "No trick room? No problem" for this team

[molten oasis]

How did that happen

[molten oasis]

I could see that

[craggy dagger]

local cookies got wiped with my phone updating

[molten oasis]

Id cry I have, a lot of teams

[craggy dagger]

i had so many-
now lost in the void

[molten oasis]

Id also lose A LOT of ev spreads

[craggy dagger]

oh my

[autumn vault]

Nice set up

Looking great

(Congrats on master rank)

[charred saddle]

[craggy dagger]

i had 90 something

[charred saddle]

this in on pc

[autumn vault]

I have 43 teams on PC

[charred saddle]

the phone had different team

[craggy dagger]

cause i make stupid ideas

[autumn vault]

In Mobile it is 1 and its the weezing regigigas team

[molten oasis]

78 is wild

[molten oasis]

Most of my teams are on my phone

[autumn vault]

All are on my PC

Teambuilding in PC is so much faster

[molten oasis]

Well I didn’t have a laptop for a while

And now that I do I just do anything else on it lol

[autumn vault]

I used to share a PC

Now i got my own one

[craggy dagger]

phone is so much better-
portable practice

[autumn vault]

Nah, fast teambuilding in my room is so much better

Especially since i can go sleep when i want to there

[craggy dagger]

no but like-
testing while waiting on the bus etc

[autumn vault]

Although that definetely seems very nice i just built so many teams on PC, i can't give them up

When i first got on showdown mobile and saw 0 teams i was like "Bro wtf where did my teams go?"

[molten oasis]

Testing on the bus

And then losing games ti the internet crashing, my favorite

[craggy dagger]

haha-

that’s a mood-
but most of your teams are saved on local cookies so if those get wiped, it’s overpon

[molten oasis]

It’s joever if that happens

[craggy dagger]

i mean-
it’s happened to me-
lucky for me i have-
like-
30 pastes open that i forgot to close

[molten oasis]

lol

I love having 100+ random tabs open on google chrome

[craggy dagger]

[upper granite]

Guys what should I nickname my team https://pokepast.es/b648313726c4de1f

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah how’d it go yesterday.
i’m sorry i disappeared

[molten oasis]

Damn lol

[craggy dagger]

i keep seeing rising voltage booster bolt paired next to thundy-

[autumn vault]

I say it looks pretty good

[upper granite]

Ye I got it from drago

But now I need to nickname them

[autumn vault]

ik

https://pokepast.es/465b91a9ec76ee8b also how is this sand team looking?

[craggy dagger]

interesting incin spread-

[autumn vault]

It is the same one from my gigas team but with goggles

[craggy dagger]

just surprised you’re not running any speed and atk that’s all

also excadrill calcs…?

[autumn vault]

I dont have any calcs for it

sd will just wipe a lot of pokemon from the face of the pokemon world

i see a lot of min-maxed exca's in pikalytics

just pretend its min-maxed

https://pokepast.es/45aa201018595aa9

i forgot to add some changes

[molten oasis]

How’d what go?

[molten oasis]

Homie why are you goggles and Tera grass

[raw thistle]

252 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Last Respects vs. +6 252 HP / 252+ Def Purifying Salt Tera Dark Garganacl: 369-435 (91.3 - 107.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

That's capped out Last Respects

Something not normal actually can live one (HOW)

[raw thistle]

(for those who don't know, the cap is 5050, not 300)

[timber falcon]

But why

[craggy dagger]

team building for purplezzz

[dapper crag]

Move: Last Respects

Power is equal to 50+(X*50), where X is the total number of times any Pokemon has fainted on the user's side, and X cannot be greater than 100.

Type

Ghost

Category

Physical

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 934: Garganacl

Type

Rock

Abilities

Purifying Salt, Sturdy, Clear Body (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/130/45/90/35

Total

500

Weight (Low Kick BP)

240kg (120 BP)

Height

2.3m

Introduced

Generation 9

Pre-evolution

Naclstack

Egg groups

Mineral

Gender Ratio

M: 50%, F: 50%

Color

Brown

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Not even the bulkiest mon and it can survive that?

[autumn vault]

Copy pasted the set and forgot to change tera

[autumn vault]

Because i am too lazy

[molten oasis]

Oh it was fine

[timber falcon]

What are the calcs for the Incin?

[autumn vault]

I didn't do calcs, i just gave it +188 sp def because of intimidate and left it at that

It does survive sandsear storm so it wasn't a waste

[timber falcon]

Reasonable

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-spinning-laundry-gif-15147601

Kermit spin

[molten oasis]

Snom spin (I am so bored)

[tough idol]

I'll be bored when I get home having a beer after work to wind down lul

[molten oasis]

Lol

[solid frigate]

This is me in the Weekend

[molten oasis]

Lol

[tough idol]

Time to walk home lol 😆 bar wants to close 😅 lmao

[molten oasis]

You have to walk home?

Are you drunk?

[tough idol]

I don't drive. But it's also a 5 min walk lmao. Things are close in the UK lol

I live 5 mins from work/bar down road.

[solid frigate]

Ey Also in UK and yes its kinda convinent

[tough idol]

It's foggy as hell though and I have to walk through the demon 'no lights' park

[solid frigate]

Typical UK Weather

[tough idol]

The light in distance is park exit lol 😆

[solid frigate]

wait in which City

[tough idol]

Small village outside Leeds

[solid frigate]

Oh ok

[tough idol]

We've spent 10 years trying to get lights in the park

[solid frigate]

Thats so True lol

I don't think i saw that much fog during my 2 years in Manchester

[tough idol]

Yorkshire fog hits diff lol 😆

[solid frigate]

Lmao so true

But it rains more in Manchester Compare to other places-

in UK

[nocturne holly]

That’s why I could never live in Europe and that area

I fucking hate rain

It’s actually the worst
Makes everything wet
You feel terrible
Everything feels terrible
Everything’s wet
It’s all groggy

[molten oasis]

Ah I see

[molten oasis]

[tough idol]

Back home watching CSI now lmao 🤣

[next stump]

Indianapolis registration in 5 minutes for anyone who plans on going

[supple ether]

Pog

Goodluck challengers

[bold geode]

I love rain
Then again, rain hitting a tin/metal roof is like great white noise

[timber falcon]

Womp womp

[nocturne holly]

What’s enjoyable about it

[craggy dagger]

the mood it sets

also for me it feels like it washes away worries

[mighty stump]

It's cozy cause of the gloomyness

The rain drowns out everything acting as great white noise

Plus petrichor is pleasant

[tall sequoia]

Guys whats the best counter for raging bolt?

Its lowkey annoying not being to attack cus of thunder clap

Literally so many games where my iron bundle get one shotted cus they spam dazzling gleam with fluttermane and thunderclap with raging bolt

[next stump]

landorus-incarnate is a solid answer

landorus-therian too

flutter mane is good, fire ogerpon with stomping

[mighty stump]

@steady cove Your post has been removed for not being relevant to #rental_teams nor for following it's format.

[mighty stump]

Imagine forgetting Tera-Fairy Pikachu

[next stump]

[wispy delta]

Hey anyone wanna run a singles battle?

[unique anchor]

any good builds for sylveon?

[wispy delta]

If you beat me I’ll give you one @unique anchor

[steady cove]

I made competitively balanced rental teams. Can someone try them against me?

Your team code: D3LX1Y
https://pokepast.es/6b188898f94f59ef

My team code: SQ2X3W
https://pokepast.es/b0475dc154a01c4a

[next stump]

you looking to play singles or doubles?

[unique anchor]

hmm doubles

[next stump]

it’s not super common anymore but I think your best bet would likely be a choice specs set on a trick room team

hyper voice, quick attack or sleep talk, tera blast, and hyper team as your attacks

usually tera fire or water

[unique anchor]

i see, nature and evs?

would it be much different from singles?

[next stump]

I don’t play singles so I can’t say

your nature would be either modest or quiet, and your EVs would mostly HP and SpA with a bit into DEF if you want to be bulkier

[unique anchor]

thanks!

[gentle crag]

33210083 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[tall sequoia]

@steady cove i do

[bold geode]

Exactly see he gets it

[molten oasis]

yippee I’m sick again, I get to call off work again

[next stump]

If anyone is curious, here are the teams/events that earned my invite 🙂 It was fun going down memory lane, events are listed in order bottom to top

[autumn vault]

You sure love heatran/rillaboom/Farigiraf/Urshifu/Chien on your teams

Ngl those look like nice teams

[next stump]

Urshifu/Farig/Rilla/Pao earned like 90% of my invite hahaha

[autumn vault]

I can tell

[mighty stump]

Consistency is everything eh

Did you ever manage to make an optimised BM Ursaluna set?

[next stump]

I don’t think I did, I was honestly just running the very standard set for most of my events. I tried Grass tera once and it was okay, but I missed the damage

[autumn vault]

Being sick is one of the best examples of a love-hate relationship (Gets you out of working and you hate its primary effects)

[craggy dagger]

am i seeing the-
new rental correctly??
jugulis and tusk-

interesting-

[autumn vault]

Mirror match in my first match with ttar excadrill

Thundurus set up sunny day and electric terrain for their bolt and flutter, my bolt ended up sweeping them : P

[molten oasis]

Yes it sucks

And it’s also not great I called out sick on Saturday then went in on Tuesday

I just gotta be like “sick came back”

[autumn vault]

True

https://pokepast.es/cf20b7477124b287 i tested a match with this, need to test more

You know what i am thinking with excadrill? Scope lens drill run

Probably not worth it but an interesting thing (also i just found out howl gouging fire and chien pao synergize very well with excadrill with amulet)

[craggy dagger]

scope lens-?

[dapper crag]

Item: Scope Lens

Holder's critical hit ratio is raised by 1 stage.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

oh-
scope lens is crit-
then wouldn’t razor claw be more aesthetically pleasing-

idk i’ve been rejecting fairy plate for fairy feather cause it’s cuter

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/cf8fd67ef15df54c Did an update (wellspring is removed for chien pao who synergizes well with exca and scarf G-Zapdos)

[brazen bough]

so much has happened since i took a break from comp

i think im ready to go back in

[craggy dagger]

wouldn’t wellspring be better?
you can follow me for exca to set up-
also-
that sash-
is broken by sandstorm damage so useless

[autumn vault]

I see, but with the sword of ruin exca can outspeed nearly everything and chien pao's sword of ruin exca can murder

I probably want to go L-Orb for chien

[craggy dagger]

well exca only really has single target-
sash would be the biggest drawback cause you’re rendering your item useless if you have sandstorm up

[autumn vault]

It can hit both with R-Slide

[craggy dagger]

that’s not gonna kill an urshifu-

[autumn vault]

Btw i missed 2 in a row against an iron leaves and thundurus, still won

[craggy dagger]

but exca would also be dead if it got hit by prio moves next to pao

specifically sucker

[autumn vault]

True

But you know what i realized a few minutes ago?

[craggy dagger]

but it looks like a fun team tbh

[autumn vault]

Howl Gouging fire with exca protected

[craggy dagger]

mmm?

OHHHHH-
so true

and clear amulet too

so exca doesn’t get stats lowered

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 530: Excadrill

Types

Ground/Steel

Abilities

Sand Rush, Sand Force, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/135/60/50/65/88

Total

508

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[autumn vault]

Honestly if gouging is IN then INcin has to go (intentional caps)

I was watching videos and i found out fire has great synergy with amulet exca

[craggy dagger]

well-
no not really-
incin can stay

[autumn vault]

Breaking swipe can lower attack and still serves as a fire type

I don't like double ups, if one can do the role then 2 shouldn't

[craggy dagger]

you lose FO pressure

and the SpA lowering parting shot

[autumn vault]

True

I can use another mon that has fake out

[craggy dagger]

mienshao-?

[autumn vault]

I have to see which mon fits well

[craggy dagger]

idk

[autumn vault]

Anyways i have to search now

[wet wedge]

My friend loaded metronome weavile for a meme

Opponent switched in Pelipper

"Waggling a finger let it use Electro Shot!"

[craggy dagger]

you should try tink-

[autumn vault]

I point this up, blasts electro shot, and BOOM

[autumn vault]

Seems good

[craggy dagger]

mold breaker so she doesn’t care about armor tail

[autumn vault]

i see grimm, smeargle (no), tink and shao

I will go tinkaton

if it isn't good enough then grimmsnarl

If it isnt good, then idk

[craggy dagger]

grimm is okay…

mienshao is FO wide guard

i would suggest rillaboom if it didn’t lower horsepower base power

[autumn vault]

I will test in a few hours

I have a lot to do now

[craggy dagger]

fair

[next stump]

grassy doesn’t reduce high horsepower

i haven’t read the whole discussion so apologies if you meant something else

[craggy dagger]

oh does it-

is it just earthquake and magnitude?

i thought it was all physical ground moves :0

[next stump]

yeah the main one is earthquake

stomping and high horsepower are unaffected

[craggy dagger]

ah that’s good to know.
then rilla wouldn’t be a bad FO user either

[craggy dagger]

we’re trying to replace incin for fire but i brought up FO pressure that incin brings for this team

[molten oasis]

Phantom leviathan pog

[craggy dagger]

oooooo

[molten oasis]

That is generally sick tho

Ghost flying too, cool typing

[autumn vault]

That is cool AF, do not pick the other options

[craggy dagger]

what is the one on the right

[autumn vault]

3rd image is trash, 1st i can imagine it and its bad, 2nd is a masterpiece

Anyways i am searching up pikalytics to see what are good ev spreads on gouging fire and tinkaton

[craggy dagger]

use the one tofu has

[autumn vault]

What is his spread?

[craggy dagger]

Gouging Fire @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Burning Bulwark
• Howl
• Breaking Swipe
• Heat Crash

[autumn vault]

I ran out on defense feathers and sp. Def feathers

Searching for more

[craggy dagger]

iron

and-
forgor what the other one was-
calcium?

[autumn vault]

Calcium for special attack

Done, the set is complete

I am done creating the set in game, what about tink?

I will go with the most common set

Now i have a choice, i have exca/ttar/bolt/G-Zapdos/wellspring ogerpon/Fire, i want to add tinkaton into the team but i already have 6 members, who should i remove for tink? Or should i scrap the idea of tink?

I will test the team now, it should speak the results

I played one match and damn tornadus was annoying

[molten oasis]

So the game has the fusions that don’t have custom made sprites

IF they don’t have one

And if there’s multiple crested sprites you can see the bad ai created fusions

[craggy dagger]

i got binged-

[scarlet otter]

https://pokepast.es/9fa5c469748b140d

Anybody got any suggestions, I'm struggling with Amoonguss

Psyshock FM is just for testing, I'm gonna switch it for SHadow Ball

[craggy dagger]

smeargle isn’t doing much imo

[autumn vault]

Not a great spread for flutter mane

[scarlet otter]

Coaching, TR, Follow Me

I mean Instruct

[craggy dagger]

mmmm….
and goes down quick too-

i would rather waterpon-

[scarlet otter]

People don't target it often

[craggy dagger]

only cause you’re not mashing follow me minimize

[scarlet otter]

People mainly look at Ursaluna and are surprised by TR

I was perviously using Oranguru with Symbyosis Choice Specs

But it was struggling to Urshifu

[craggy dagger]

wouldn’t smeargle struggle more

[scarlet otter]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2075825338-804zm87aojyhafwf5y4v25vs5glaul4pw

[scarlet otter]

Not from my testing somehow

The follow me support really helps when setting up or dealing with sucker punch

[scarlet otter]

This replay shows how my team works

[craggy dagger]

waterpon does better while also being able to hit things

[scarlet otter]

But can waterpon instruct/trick room

[craggy dagger]

…
can smeargle actually deal damage??

[scarlet otter]

No apart from his Burning Balwark

[craggy dagger]

that’s not damage-

also a taunt into smeargle and bai-
you’re useless-

bulwark doesn’t protect against taunts or status moves

[scarlet otter]

Can use Farigaraf to prevent prankster taunt

[craggy dagger]

…
and if it’s not prankster taunt?

[scarlet otter]

Flutter mane can clean it up and then leave Smeargle/Farigaraf to trick room

Also Raging Bolt

[craggy dagger]

huh-

how’s that gonna stop a taunt

[scarlet otter]

Kill Taunt mon

[craggy dagger]

with clap bolt?

[scarlet otter]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

it won’t activate

[scarlet otter]

Nuke it with Tera Fairy Moonblast

The answer to everything

[steady cove]

Thanks! Sent you a DM.

[gentle crag]

redzardy has given 1 Gen Rep to yeeyee1pint

[scarlet otter]

[tall sequoia]

In a bit tho, playing roblox w my little sister rn

[craggy dagger]

pspspsp-
follow me says hello :0

i would run spore on smeargle at least-

fast sleep is always good-

[scarlet otter]

For which slot

[craggy dagger]

instruct actually-
and also make smeargle speedy-

so that you actually get fast spore-

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/a9af7bb0f221ef5f issues? I am losing a lot recently with this team

[craggy dagger]

you lost intim FO pressure that’s why

[autumn vault]

i had put incin back instead of gouging

still lost

I feel like excadrill did barely any damage ngl

[craggy dagger]

…
maybe misplays?

def add swords dance on exca if you’re gonna run clear amu

[autumn vault]

what i was thinking

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 530: Excadrill

Types

Ground/Steel

Abilities

Sand Rush, Sand Force, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/135/60/50/65/88

Total

508

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

135 is nice but-
add more bulk and add sd instead

[autumn vault]

true

I actually replaced wellspring for cornerstone

didn't use it yet

[craggy dagger]

uh-
i don’t know if having a major weakness to bear (fighting) is good

then again, you have gapdos

[autumn vault]

true

I have to go now, also exca's ghost tera wasn't that great

[craggy dagger]

mhm

i’ll see if i can make smth

[autumn vault]

i will replace it with tera water (i think)

[craggy dagger]

tera grass

[autumn vault]

I see

i have to go now

bye

[craggy dagger]

[limber gorge]

What's the best move set for fluttermane

[timber falcon]

moon blast , dazzling , shadow ball is guarenteed for specs

can someone explain why this didnt OHKO

[next stump]

are they boosted up

[raw thistle]

i threw game 22 predicting an impossible set, after having already taunted and discovered a different set but forgot

i'm genuinely pissed about it

[shut wolf]

https://pokepast.es/5f0cd0418053ad18

What do yall think about this team, so far so I’ve been pretty succesful, I’ve only lost two games, then again I’m not very high in the ladder

I find I don’t use whimsicott at all though, the idea was to use it as a way for arch to get easy extra defense for body press but that hasn’t been needed at all

Might replace it for Maus for friend guard and super fang + pop bomb

[timber falcon]

Crazy win rate

[raw thistle]

thanks man

[gentle crag]

stallsunguy has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[raw thistle]

this was a suspect run, i got the reqs at least

[timber falcon]

Suspect for who?

[raw thistle]

xerneas

[timber falcon]

Oh so is it to decide wether it moves down or not?

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/185d5ef1f0ffb8c8 also any thoughts?

[craggy dagger]

interesting moon spread-
an even more interesting koal spread-
is that wake supposed to live things?
same can be said with fari and entei

[timber falcon]

its 1am for me, the team has been scrapped. I think im being delusional

[craggy dagger]

no

team is good just-
calc your EVs please-

[timber falcon]

i prefer the old impulse evs

[craggy dagger]

also koal usually likes to run max hp max SpA

[craggy dagger]

it’s not a bad start but you gotta start tweaking to live things and whatnot-
or you’re just wasting EVs

[timber falcon]

ill try rebuild another similar team or smth. I think ill focus on roaring moon redemption

but the team i made just then was rly rly bad and has no synergy after testing

[craggy dagger]

rm is cool

but 3 EV stats on that thing is not at all optimal

[timber falcon]

oh-

but then what set is?

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Protect

this what i got rn

[craggy dagger]

while i can’t say that my moon is guaranteed for offense-
it can take a few hits-

La Lune (Roaring Moon) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 140 HP / 36 Atk / 76 Def / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Taunt

[timber falcon]

are there calcs for this?

[craggy dagger]

uh-
not at home atm so can’t access the doc but once i get home i will send it-

just got out of school so-

[timber falcon]

ok ty, ill try the set out, it looks interesting

[craggy dagger]

it’s not meant to pick up KOs mind you-
so you’ll have to play more passive support moon

[timber falcon]

hmm well i was hoping to use moon as a strong knock off smacker

[craggy dagger]

you can run adamant i think-

[timber falcon]

yeah but speed booster is a must isnt it, incin rly annoys moon doesnt it

[craggy dagger]

no you can’t run adamant-

[timber falcon]

hard to run offensively

[craggy dagger]

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 76 HP / 100 Atk / 76 Def / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Breaking Swipe
• Knock Off
• Tailwind
• Taunt
  this then-
  and maybe instead of taunt run something else?

actually-

[timber falcon]

protect is good for moon

yeah this moon lookin good

[craggy dagger]

i don’t remember the exact EVs

i can ask my gf once she gets back cause she’s the one who came up with the original spread-
i tweaked it so that it could tank more and hit a little softer

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1005: Roaring Moon

Types

Dragon/Dark

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/139/71/55/101/119

Total

590

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

suprising amount of bulk actually

i thought of it like a glass canon

[timber falcon]

anyone have a set for miracle seed rilla

[craggy dagger]

nah-
it’s the 4x weakness that’s making it a glass cannon

[dapper crag]

- [Dragon/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Flying, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dragon, Fighting, Ice

Weak (4x)

Fairy

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

yeah flutter is a problem for its natural typing.... so what if i paired it with entei

[solid frigate]

thats why Most Hydreigon ran Tera Steel-

[rustic mountain]

i miss wen hydreigon was good

[solid frigate]

Power Creep ruined it-

It had a good run in Early SV

[rustic mountain]

yea

if only series 1 or 2 had as much time as reg f does

[timber falcon]

I feel anxious making reg f teams rn, the restricted mons format power creep will be insane

Rendering my teams useless

[solid frigate]

It's like every team feels only valid for like 1 day

best 3 days,but thats about it cuz New Meta is just mf insane

[timber falcon]

Yeah the art of team building is painful, you can cook up and amazing team only for it to be used for a few matches and then u need a new one and start running out of ideas

[molten oasis]

You’re what 👀

[solid frigate]

lol

[solid frigate]

Am i the only one who would say D-Dance is good-

Wait just asking,Is AV Great Tusk Worth it or Other Items like Booster or Others

[timber falcon]

This better be singles

[mighty stump]

The bulkiest Moon I ran

Was like

Max Def

It was so fat just because it was a dump

[solid frigate]

maybe

[mighty stump]

It’s another Iron Hands set where you invest in spdef first

Other items are fine, except Booster

[solid frigate]

ok

I made Great Tusk With AV with moves like Rapid Spin,Headlong Rush,Close Combat and Knock Off

Great Tusk @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 168 Atk / 28 Def / 116 SpD / 112 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rapid Spin
• Close Combat
• Headlong Rush
• Knock Off

Dunno if the EVs are ok

[mighty stump]

Oh

Singles

No comment

[craggy dagger]

listen i don’t know what im going-

[molten oasis]

Huh?

[craggy dagger]

wait i’m so confused-

[molten oasis]

Didn’t know you were dating anyone, that’s pretty cool

Unless I got that wrong

[craggy dagger]

ah yeah-
i am :>

[molten oasis]

Very nice

[timber falcon]

But why

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 984: Great Tusk

Types

Ground/Fighting

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/131/131/53/53/87

Total

570

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

For tusk i think u need more spdef, unless u just want a neutral amount

But with AV u normally want it to be up there

Otherwise yeah that tusk set is looking nice (it is singles right? Cause of rapid spin)

[mighty stump]

Why not

Look at it’s Physdef

it was fully defensive

My whole thing is ridiculously bulky sets

Oh

Also

Worlds is restricted format

[knotty mirage]

Damn

[grizzled bronze]

gonna be interesting

[wheat geode]

Quick q, does a pokemon with prankster fake out always get the move out before another fake out pokemon without prankster?

[mighty stump]

No

Prankster only affects status moves

[wheat geode]

oh right whoops

and fake out would still come out before a prankster move becaue fake out is +3 priority?

[knotty mirage]

Is it the one who only allow 1 restricted or you can use 2 restricted ?

[mighty stump]

No clue

[mighty stump]

yep

[bold geode]

How Tofu

[autumn vault]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2076359927
Perfection, Corviknight is just what i needed for my sand team

[mighty stump]

Rough

Why

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/fab2c755481d8fca Any opinions on the sand team rn?

[bold geode]

Oh
Why rough

[mighty stump]

A bunch of things

Lol

[molten oasis]

Damn