competitive_discussion

[tough idol]

There's gotta be a reason, big head isn't legal. You either make new meta or break it

[hushed pine]

hey actualy does more than i thought

[polar canyon]

Now what if it had specs

[grizzled bronze]

that's overkill lmao

[craggy dagger]

not really-

[timber falcon]

But assault vest incin

[polar canyon]

It's gonna be a thing

[hushed pine]

does incin even use av tho

[grizzled bronze]

but yeah with beads of ruin, it ohkos that spread

[timber falcon]

Yes

[polar canyon]

I saw one in a regional

[timber falcon]

Av incin is actually rly good

[polar canyon]

Just replaced parting shot with u turn

[hushed pine]

no parting shot but lives caly s seems like a decent trade off

[craggy dagger]

mhm-
uses u turn instead of parting shot like the good old days of gen 7

[timber falcon]

Or u could go snarl

[novel dome]

Got a question I may already know the answer but I need to confirm it prankster ability doesn't work with weather srtting Moves does it like say a grimmsnarl prankster to use rain dance ?

[nocturne holly]

Parting shot has insane value on incin

Always depends on the team tho

[nocturne holly]

It does

[craggy dagger]

usually parting shot is > than u turn

[grizzled bronze]

any status move will work

[timber falcon]

Depends on team and set

[nocturne holly]

Prankster works with any status moves

[grizzled bronze]

except if you're targeting dark types

[novel dome]

Oh interesting so I could run a rain dance prankster grimmsnarl thank you for that info

[hushed pine]

torn is better to set rain

[grizzled bronze]

do not run rain dance grimm 😭

[nocturne holly]

Tornadus >

Grim pairs a different role

*plays

[novel dome]

This is for a team for an event rules for the event no legend or mythical mons

[hushed pine]

cook

[novel dome]

And I only used grimm as an example since I know it has the ability

[grizzled bronze]

if you want rain why not peli ?

[strange fjord]

Illumise? lol

wait does it get rain dance

[novel dome]

Team is pretty much all set but due to earlier I started thinking on adding archaludon to this team

But I just wanted to be sure on whether or not I could use a mon with prankster and rain dance

Thank you for the info

[grizzled bronze]

if you want to use archaludon peli is definitely a great partner for it

[solid frigate]

alright,final check,Terapagos,Kyogre,Incineroar,Whimsicott,Lando-I and Raging Bolt

Why does it look like a Gen 7 team

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 314: Illumise

Type

Bug

Abilities

Oblivious, Tinted Lens, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/47/75/73/85/85

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 314: Illumise

Type

Bug

Abilities

Oblivious, Tinted Lens, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/47/75/73/85/85

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

bro i forgot how to check moves

[dapper crag]

Illumise's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bug Bite, Counter, Covet, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Ice Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Play Rough, Pounce, Power-Up Punch, Quick Attack, Return, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skitter Smack, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Disarming Voice, Draining Kiss, Giga Drain, Hidden Power, Infestation, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Silver Wind, Snore, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Pulse

Status Moves

Aromatherapy, Attract, Baton Pass, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Flatter, Growth, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metronome, Mimic, Moonlight, Play Nice, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roost, Sleep Talk, String Shot, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Sweet Scent, Tailwind, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Wish

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Illumise.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[grizzled bronze]

budget torn

[solid frigate]

oh it does learn Rain Dance

[hushed pine]

its for the people who dont have other games

[strange fjord]

if torn and whimm adopted a child who wasn't quite living up to their legacy

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[grizzled bronze]

true and real

[solid frigate]

indeed

https://pokepast.es/b7478bdb8ddd33bf
Done some minor Tweaks and done

[strange fjord]

Anyone else participating in the global challenge II?

[solid frigate]

i am

[strange fjord]

nice, hoping to see some interesting teams

[solid frigate]

just a sneak peak for you cuz fighting you is probably unlikely,but here is my team
https://pokepast.es/af3a682c0654d90d

[strange fjord]

Funny Magic Cat

[solid frigate]

Its gonna cause some havoc

[next stump]

what a massive regional

[solid frigate]

damn

[strange fjord]

Here's my team preview since y'all probably remember the actual team since it features unique pokemon

[solid frigate]

Pika and Muchlax moment woohoo

https://tenor.com/view/munchlax-pokemon-food-eat-eating-gif-18413064

[strange fjord]

Pikachu boutta get OHKO'd by a sneeze and Munchlax is gonna do as much damage as a caterpie.

but we'll be ballin'

[nocturne holly]

Only 60 for vgc jr/sr??

[next stump]

there’s barely any that play sadly

[strange fjord]

oh man, just noticed. thats so small

[solid frigate]

probably either Kids are grounded and have tests

or they just play Roblox or something

[strange fjord]

time to offer roblox gift cards as prizes so the juniors and seniors start playing

[solid frigate]

lmao so true

[next stump]

i think part of it is that juniors and seniors don’t need to attend regionals to earn a worlds invite

so it’s probably way easier to sell to your parents to just compete online/in locals and then fly to worlds once a year

[strange fjord]

The only way I get to worlds is if I win a regional 🥲

[craggy dagger]

you can always try to hit the CP milestone

[strange fjord]

maybe next year, but dont have time to go for locals this year

[timber falcon]

scizzor redemption

https://pokepast.es/1ab32525fe9ba2da anyone got suggestions for a mon i should add?

[solid frigate]

Bax?

[timber falcon]

baxcalibur?

[solid frigate]

maybe

[grizzled bronze]

immediately thought of flutter mane for some reason

specifically specs

[solid frigate]

oh yeah Sunny day-

[timber falcon]

oh yeah thats gud for my team

any specs sets?

[solid frigate]

Moonblast,Shadow Ball,Mystical Fire and one other coverage

[timber falcon]

i mean evs

[solid frigate]

Max Speed? with some Physical Bulk? lemme think about it

[timber falcon]

nah speed doesnt have to be max, just more than spatck for the booster

[solid frigate]

ahh

[timber falcon]

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 200 HP / 124 Def / 116 SpA / 68 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Mystical Fire

this is what i got in mind

calc is for hightend chance of surviving wicked blow

[grizzled bronze]

too slow i think

[timber falcon]

speed is 180 btw

pretty fast

[molten oasis]

Hands? In this economy?

[craggy dagger]

:>

[timber falcon]

i like to redeem mons

i wanna see if hands deserved the 7% usage

[molten oasis]

It does

Incin ruins it

[timber falcon]

and thats why ima try fix that

[molten oasis]

Av is not the answer then

[timber falcon]

amuket failed me

[molten oasis]

Well

Hands’ issue is incin

And it can’t really beat both lando and flutter

[timber falcon]

well yeah thats a given

[molten oasis]

Rn I think hands runs clear amu and close combat but like, I still think at that point a shifu would be better

[craggy dagger]

hello drago

[molten oasis]

How’s the draft team coming along?

[timber falcon]

welp ima still try see for myself

[molten oasis]

Alr, that’s fair

[craggy dagger]

i think i’m all set-
Tofu did point out that i need more speed on my waterpon so im thinking about what stat i should lower to add more speed EVs

[molten oasis]

Hands is just underwhelming rn

[molten oasis]

The popular option is attack

Cuz Ivy cudgel still hits plenty hard

[bold geode]

Tryna get myself in the mindset for this tournament later

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

I have this one you can test out

[bold geode]

It's hard rn

[molten oasis]

You got this

[craggy dagger]

but i have swords dance on the waterpon

[molten oasis]

I got asked to come in ti work earlier, I said yes and I’m crying

[craggy dagger]

so tofu suggested more speed

[molten oasis]

Evs still apply

Or do you need it faster than that?

[bold geode]

It's just two factors

1. I don't have that much motivation today
2. My mom is in another town rn and will probably come home close to the time the tour starts knowing her, so I'll have to help her get everything in and rush to do a bunch of shit right before the tour

[craggy dagger]

i have 4 EVs into speed so like…

[timber falcon]

so my team is actually rly good

when iron hands isnt in it....

so yeah

ill just make it a sun team atp

https://pokepast.es/96969cbf5716dc95 this good?

[grizzled bronze]

wasting evs on rilla and mane

[timber falcon]

added ursh cause of psyspam distruption and fighting core

[timber falcon]

oh where

[grizzled bronze]

4 ev spread when it should be 5 or 3

[timber falcon]

ohh yeah that true

fixed

anyway so hows the team?

[brazen bough]

🤫🧏

[next stump]

2 hours until registration for the GC closes in case anyone still needs to

[molten oasis]

Use my ev spread

[molten oasis]

Lmao

Sorry that’s just the way it is

[solid frigate]

wait

is wide guard spammable

[next stump]

yes

but if you protect after wide guard, it follows the same rules as double protect

[solid frigate]

cuz SOMEHOW SOMEONE GOT 3 WIDE GUARD TURNS AND I CAN'T DO AANYTHING

[next stump]

there's nothing stopping them from clicking it repeatedly

[solid frigate]

Thats the Issue, they fucking Taunt me(Not Pokemon Move,Literally)

now i wonder why i don't use Scarf Kyogre-

[next stump]

RIP

[solid frigate]

i usually ran AV Kyogre to avoid these stuff

and to set up rain after sun

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2070644914
I don't feel anything when i win this-

[nocturne holly]

Lmao

[cobalt quarry]

any good electric types other than raging bolt?

[gentle delta]

Wide Guard doesnt fail mate

the niche specific protects dont fail unless they're used after a normal protect

except for Bulwark I think

which has normal fail rate

oh no so

what it is, is the TEAM PROTECTS dont fail unless used after a "user specific" one

you can spam wide guard, mat block, crafy shield and quick guard without penalty

[gentle delta]

Hands is still solid, just Incin mostly does its job better. But if you need electric coverage and fake out and cant fit Incin its still great.

But otherwise its hard to compete with something as uniquely strong as Electric Sucker Punch

[cobalt quarry]

incin is meta?

[gentle delta]

Is that a serious question?

Incin is the most used mon in the history of VGC

[cobalt quarry]

bet

[gentle delta]

Despite coming out 3 generations after the start of VGC, and Gen 8 and 9 both going their first years without, Incin STILL has more results than any other mon.

Its not even broken, its just the epitome of perfectly balanced design and role compression.

[bold geode]

Welllllllllllllllllllllll
Idk if I'd say PERFECTLY balanced but the other yeah

In terms of role compression, it's unrivaled

[nocturne holly]

hi prog

how you beeen

[nocturne holly]

Incin is pretty balanced

its like insane glue

[craggy dagger]

:?

[nocturne holly]

gorilla glue

[gentle delta]

Good! Gushing about performance of the new video. Especially considering I was reluctant to make it.

[bold geode]

Why? It's Trick Room teaching

[nocturne holly]

You should be it’s great

[gentle delta]

No content like it really exists in the vgc content world

So it either could have been great or been a big flop

Glad its the latter

[nocturne holly]

people can’t get enough of it

Of teaching

I really like those in-depth videos

[bold geode]

Pokemon Academy with Wolfe happened
Plus I mean it's not bad either way considering most of your content involves TR of some sort

[gentle delta]

I cried laughing when Neil shared it and followed me and Im wondering if he realizes weve met and he was an ass

[nocturne holly]

also the title and thumbnail are really fucking good

[gentle delta]

Definitely gonna be a series now gonna alternate with team vids

Next ones gonna be about how to use Skill Swap

[bold geode]

Speaking of content, 21 views on Ape blogpost

[nocturne holly]

W monke

[gentle delta]

Next team vid about Ting Lu Reg C team

[dusty gate]

Assuming you mean TR 101 I actually just got recommended it and just watched it.

[bold geode]

Ngl
Every time I've used Ting Lu rn, it's underwhelming

[gentle delta]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hi-there-gif-16107842475380108536

[gentle delta]

Huge

[bold geode]

Like maybe Ting Lu's not my thing cuz obviously it works for others lmao

[gentle delta]

One of my friends rec’d my channel at his local last night and his opponent said he already knew my stuff 😍

[gentle delta]

I think its dog but its good content

“i won my first ever tournament with this wild Ting Lu set, does it still hold up?”

[bold geode]

I mean the reasoning it came back is solid AF, but eh

[dusty gate]

Really interesting stuff, also cause of my Chand team been having a lot of TR interest.

[gentle delta]

The teams that built themselves around it are already dropping it lmfao

[gentle delta]

Underrated (imo) video on my channel about Dragalge happens to heavily feature Chandelure

[dusty gate]

Also I got this beauty earlier I wanna try when restricted comes out.

[bold geode]

Except for that Spanish 6
What you think about that

[gentle delta]

Bradys team? With P2?

[dusty gate]

[gentle delta]

Im biased, its a bye for me

Its so easy for me to dump on that setup

[bold geode]

No
Eric Rios's too I guess

[gentle delta]

Whats the six

[gentle delta]

Dragalge, Chandelure, Ursaluna, Oranguru, Cornerstone Ogerpon and I forget the 6th. Probably Maushold

Guru and chand are the setters

[bold geode]

Well there's two versions
Ting Lu/P2/Incin/Amoongus/Kon Mo O/ and then the versions differ between Mane and Goldie

[craggy dagger]

hello Progatog!

[gentle delta]

Yes I eat those

[bold geode]

And the Goldie version has Tera Fairy Blast Ting

[gentle delta]

How are you my darling 💙

[dusty gate]

Kingambit. Watching it now.

[craggy dagger]

heh-
saw right through my disguise
i’m doing well :>

[gentle delta]

The thing with the Fairy Tera is its a catch 22 against Psyspam.

You have Arma and Gallade in front of it and it has to accept death from one or the other

[craggy dagger]

hbu?

[bold geode]

Imo that 6 is just annoying
Like it can be beat, but the sooner you're done fighting it the better

But it's also just too fucking passive

[gentle delta]

I prefer calling you Mumu because its how Ive known you longer but I know its Nova now lol.

And ive been excellent between good locals finishes and the channel

My eyes are set on worlds more than before

[nocturne holly]

w

[craggy dagger]

owhhh
you can do thissss!!!!

[gentle delta]

Its a really good team into not TR lol

[bold geode]

Like it trades a ton of bulk for like
Absolutely no up front offensive pressure

[gentle delta]

About to go 15-0 Day 1 of GC with Roar Ursaluna

[bold geode]

Which for that style of team is just not good

[gentle delta]

Yes its called Stall

[craggy dagger]

Whoa-

[bold geode]

Eh I viewed that Ting Lu P2 duo at least in more balance shit, but I guess it can be stall

Then again, my team with Ape can be seen as passive too so

I'm just happy I finally put out something with Annihilape

I was on that kick for a while

[gentle delta]

I wish I was a streamer with stuff setup rn cuz Id love to stream the gc and ring a bell every time I roar an imprison away

Did it 12 times last night 🙂

[craggy dagger]

xD

i need my switch back for ranked grinding then moving to GCs

[bold geode]

I just wish I got the shit to fucking record really
Then again, I need a new laptop/PC
My laptop legitimately took a fucking hour to restart last night

[craggy dagger]

i have way too many ideas brewing

[bold geode]

Yeah but blog ain't doing too bad
21 views on this post, 35 on the one before that

Like it's not horrible considering I'm basically just a fuckin average Joe

[gentle delta]

Turn 1 of GC and I feel great lmfao

Op leads Entei Latios into Indee Oger

Cudgel ohko latios and Indeedee lives draco meteor and sets tr

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2070738624

spanish team

[smoky hawk]

Guys I'm such a genius

[upbeat quail]

So many stupid gimmick in the global challenge lol

[gentle delta]

Arguably its not “stupid gimmicks” planning to abuse the cts in ways your average player wont expect is definitely a skill

[upbeat quail]

Eh, I still think it’s stupid if the gimmick is only effective in closed team sheet best of 1

But that’s my personal opinion

[smoky hawk]

I'm using a TR team for the global challenge. I have a cress with skill swap. I skill swapped with my own raging bolt and dodged lando earth power and took out the tera'd waterpon

[gentle delta]

No because that’s literally the point

[gentle delta]

Lies?

[smoky hawk]

Ok I theorized that I could do that but you're right. I did do that in showdown days ago with my kingambit

[craggy dagger]

it works for gambit ofc

cause gambit doesn’t have any of those abilities

although noot not being able to be swappable is interesting

[gentle delta]

So dont say you did a play when you literally didnt its not helpful to newer players here to spread misinformation

[smoky hawk]

I came up with skill swap cress to deal with farigaraf stopping my priority at first. Then I decided to add TR pokemon to that team

And it saves your pokemon like gambit and incin

[craggy dagger]

saves isn’t the right answer if you’re taunted

[gentle delta]

Its cuz of layering effects and how it turns off abilties

[craggy dagger]

plus shouldn’t gambit be able to shred through everything at +2 sucker black glasses anyways?

just kill them before they kill you-

[gentle delta]

Skill swap is mostly bad

[craggy dagger]

ally switch i can see more use for actually than skill swap

[gentle delta]

Unless used effectively which is why my next video is about it

[craggy dagger]

owh-
looking forwards to that

[gentle delta]

Like Nova did you ever see Jeanmarcs legendary on stream skill swap from a regionals

[smoky hawk]

Yes so usually I'll use kowtow but then there is follow me and rage powder e-speed

[gentle delta]

Dude had his Staka swap with Tork so it got 2 Beast Boosts after Eruption

[bold geode]

Or the fuckin Heatran Skill Swap that one kid did in Worlds

[craggy dagger]

huh

[bold geode]

In Gen 6
Cress and Charizard Y on his side of the field vs Lando and something else
He predicted that Heatran would switch in to the Lando slot, Skill Swapped that slot to take away Flash Fire, and fired off a Heat Wave

[craggy dagger]

actually i’m pretty confident for my small draft tourney…

bisharp has proved itself to be a valuable asset

[gentle delta]

Hnnnng my opponent just switch his incin into my meteor beam

PREDICTED ANOTHER SWITCH AND HE SWAPPED CHIEN PAO FOR RILLA INTO HEAT WAVE LFG

[craggy dagger]

[gentle delta]

AND HE TERAD THE BOLT

im so good i forgot how fun playing my hard tr is

[bold geode]

Finna get on with Ape

[smoky hawk]

With eviolite?

[gentle delta]

Ngl almost lost to a feraligatr, but he protected on turn 3 of sleep lmao

[craggy dagger]

yeh

[next stump]

good luck in the GC all

may the bo1 cheese be in your favor

[smoky hawk]

TR does well right now. It's very awkward facing other TR teams. Part of the reason why I have amoonguss in case they don't

[gentle delta]

Thanks Dillon you too

[gentle crag]

progatog has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/d96c6b33a8f32049
this is the team @smoky hawk

[gentle delta]

You dont need to sell me on Trick Room lol

[bold geode]

Bro the fuckin Billy Mays of Trick Room

[gentle delta]

Oh I like that

Been wanting to start my videos referencing cheesy television introductions

[bold geode]

"Sir you made 100 TR teams"
Prog:

https://tenor.com/view/oxi-clean-but-wait-theres-more-home-shopping-gif-9592017

[craggy dagger]

he’s our resident TR master :>

[gentle delta]

Like During a collab stream I was invited for I started with

“hello! im prog maclure, you may remember me from such classics as Meteor Beam Armarouge, Dino Balance, and Kats Glaceon being named after me”

3-0 atm ezpz

[bold geode]

Me casually doing GC battles standing in front of a fucking Solgaleo

[gentle delta]

EVERYONE BE PACKING STANDARD AND IM SO FINE WITH IT

Please give me this every fucking round lol

[bold geode]

Aight I'm getting into it

[gentle delta]

The games that I can cleanly lead Gallade Indeedee are usually my best

[bold geode]

Oh standard Arch rain

[gentle delta]

My gallade is very speed crept

Many incins keep tryna outspeed and just die

T1: Ogerpon spikys > Sacred Sword ohkos Incin > Indeedee TRs

claps dust off hands

[molten oasis]

How are y’all doing

[gentle delta]

About to be 5-0 in GC lmfao

So fantastic

[upbeat quail]

Woweez

[cobalt quarry]

can someone explain to me why wellspring ogerpon is so good?

[upbeat quail]

I’m 5-4 right now it’s my first online competition.

Not using flutter, Ogrepon, or Urshifu either ^.^

[bold geode]

1-0 in GC now
Rough battle but we out position like a mfer

[upbeat quail]

I’ve only lost to B01 gimmicks so far, but that’s how it be. When I go to an actual regionals I know I’ll do better

[smoky hawk]

+2 kingambit with helping hand OHKOs torkoal. Thank goodness. My cress has HH

With sucker punch

[upbeat quail]

Be careful setting up in front of a Torkoal. Burning jealousy is floating around

[next stump]

great typing, deals with rapid strike urshifu well, access to redirection

[molten oasis]

Very nice

[cobalt quarry]

inteleon or empoleon and why?

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna stream my games tomorrow

[cobalt quarry]

cuz i dont wanna use wellspring and i like inteleon and empoleon

[molten oasis]

although, I have to do 30

[molten oasis]

Neither cuz they are not good

[cobalt quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/itadori-itadori-yuji-jjk-juju-cry-gif-9437012985854787460

[molten oasis]

Your water type options are Shifu, Wellspring, Wake for sun, Suicune and like, Primarina

[upbeat quail]

Oh if I don’t do 15 matches today I can make it up tomorrow by doing 21? Cuz I’ve already done 9 and I’m getting frustrated and need a break

[molten oasis]

Yes

[upbeat quail]

Thank god

[cobalt quarry]

empoleon.

[molten oasis]

…

[dapper crag]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/empoleon.gif

[molten oasis]

Alright, have fun using a mediocre competitive Pokémon

[cobalt quarry]

i will win with competitive empoleon

[upbeat quail]

Competitive (the ability) empoleon is a decent lead against most intimidate users

[cobalt quarry]

there you go

[upbeat quail]

Not meta, but not horrible.

[cobalt quarry]

incineroars are shaking rn

[molten oasis]

Empoleon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 172 HP / 76 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Pledge
• Flash Cannon
• Ice Beam
• Vacuum Wave

Here

[upbeat quail]

I can see a covert cloak set being good too. If they fake out you, you can clap them back

[molten oasis]

This is one Tofu used

[cobalt quarry]

why are the EV's so weird

[molten oasis]

You don’t do cloak

On any defiant or competitive mons

[upbeat quail]

Ohhhh

Good point there

[molten oasis]

The reason is that you can’t get a boost from snarl, icy wind, etc

[upbeat quail]

I’m running a covert cloak Walking Wake at the moment. Very good mon

[molten oasis]

Kingambit LOVES torn cuz torn can accidentally give it an attack boost

[molten oasis]

Ask tofu I didn’t make the team

Cuz I think Empoleon is mid

[cobalt quarry]

should i run great tusk too

[molten oasis]

No

[cobalt quarry]

along with incin

[molten oasis]

If you want a ground type run lando i or Bloodmoon

alright

Fine

Use spidops while your at it

[cobalt quarry]

ok

[molten oasis]

Not gonna argue with you on meta picks since you won’t touch them

[cobalt quarry]

what about an electric mon

[upbeat quail]

Run Empoleon on a snow team

Raging bolt or iron hands

[molten oasis]

Ampharos

…

[upbeat quail]

Did this man call my boy ampharos yucky?

[molten oasis]

Can you not

[cobalt quarry]

only yuck cuz he doesnt have his mega 😔

[molten oasis]

Btw that was a joke since you won’t use meta mons except incin for some reason

You want a meta pick you got bolt

[gentle delta]

Might I recommend a cool video about Empoleon

[molten oasis]

Or hands

[cobalt quarry]

hands is also yuck

[molten oasis]

Oh right you worked on that team as well

[cobalt quarry]

incin tho is cool 😎

[molten oasis]

Then use bolt

[gentle delta]

I literally made it

[cobalt quarry]

send

[molten oasis]

Yea lol

[cobalt quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[molten oasis]

#rental_teams message here’s tofus, which is also Progs

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: PengWIN!
Format: VGC Regulation E
Paste: https://pokepast.es/267fee5cb168fb2c, https://pokepast.es/b2f7a6e2df253f9a
Notes: Collaborative work with @gentle delta !!! Their video on an alternative version is in the blog as well, a 2-for-1!
https://tofu-snorlax.hatenablog.com/entry/PengWIN

Command triggered by drayagedrago. Message from · Dec 13, 2023, 11:20 AM

[cobalt quarry]

what a team

[molten oasis]

It’s a reg e team but it probably still functions

[cobalt quarry]

why is that disgusting bug on the team

i geniunley hate illumise and the other one who shall not be named

[molten oasis]

Don’t ask me

[cobalt quarry]

and spritzee

[molten oasis]

Not like you’ll use over half the mons anyway

[cobalt quarry]

arcanine is cool

the giraffe is cool, rillaboom ig

[molten oasis]

I meant in general but ok

[cobalt quarry]

i am swapping the bug.

the ugly ass bug

[molten oasis]

For what

It plays a key role

[cobalt quarry]

WHIMSICOTT 🤩

[gentle delta]

Breaks self promo rules but search me up on youtube lol

[dapper crag]

Whimsicott's moveset:

Physical Moves

Beat Up, Covet, Endeavor, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Natural Gift, Play Rough, Razor Leaf, Return, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Thief, U-turn

Special Moves

Absorb, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Energy Ball, Fairy Wind, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Gust, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Mega Drain, Moonblast, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snore, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Captivate, Charm, Confide, Cotton Guard, Cotton Spore, Defog, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Grass Whistle, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Light Screen, Memento, Misty Terrain, Nature Power, Poison Powder, Protect, Rest, Safeguard, Sleep Talk, Stun Spore, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Tailwind, Taunt, Tickle, Toxic, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Whimsicott.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[cobalt quarry]

prankster tailwind

[molten oasis]

ig that works

[gentle delta]

Its discount Whimsicott which wasnt in game at the time

[molten oasis]

Yea

[cobalt quarry]

they should remove illumise from the entire franchise then

[molten oasis]

Could also incin over harc potentially, you miss out on some damage

Tho

[gentle delta]

If you want competitive help then Im not gonna acknowledge a dislike of mons on anything but competitive value

[cobalt quarry]

what is a harc

[molten oasis]

Hisuian Arcanine

[cobalt quarry]

oh

bet😎

wait what is trick room for if you have tailwind

[gentle delta]

Its tailroom

[molten oasis]

It’s for empo id assume

[cobalt quarry]

would that not make you slower then?

cuz tailwind then trick room

faster < slower

[molten oasis]

And it gives you anti prio which is very valuable

[charred saddle]

u dont set tw if u are planning to tr, pr dont tr when u are faster

just know the speed tierings and ur good

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

Yea

[charred saddle]

plan ahead, and most tailroom team usually has 2 modes of gameplay

[cobalt quarry]

i thought you set them both

[charred saddle]

fast and slow

[cobalt quarry]

which wouldnt make sense

[charred saddle]

u dont.

[molten oasis]

They do not interact with each other well

[bold geode]

2-0

[cobalt quarry]

what if i only did tailwind then

[charred saddle]

oi monke

[molten oasis]

You using comfey ape monke

[bold geode]

Yup

[molten oasis]

Then yiu don’t bring farigiraf

[charred saddle]

whats ur record on ur 1st Gc again?

[nocturne holly]

Latias should’ve gotten trick room

[molten oasis]

In GC?

[cobalt quarry]

would it still work?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[cobalt quarry]

oh ok

[bold geode]

The games have been a bit closer for comfort, but I've been playing alright so far

[craggy dagger]

so true

[bold geode]

Also yes GC

[nocturne holly]

Fari can have more value then just tr, ex. Anti prio, heal block, etc

[gentle delta]

Lost to first GC cheese of the day 6-1

[molten oasis]

Did you play in Beanie Brawl?

[cobalt quarry]

what if i used ribombee over whim which has sticky and tailwind

[molten oasis]

What was it

[molten oasis]

Whims is infinitely better

[cobalt quarry]

cuz prankster?

[molten oasis]

Because of prankster

[bold geode]

No
I definitely wouldn't have made it there as I said
Mom came home like 10 minutes before it started and she was struggling so

[molten oasis]

So you’re playing in gc?

[bold geode]

Ye

[molten oasis]

I’m (probably) playing my matches tonight

Eh well, no I can’t

I have to get homework done

Lots of math

And an essay

[cobalt quarry]

roaring moon or regidraco?

[nocturne holly]

Light work

[cobalt quarry]

or a diff dragon type

[molten oasis]

Depends

[nocturne holly]

They have different roles

what do you want them for?

[molten oasis]

I’m also doing math on top of that

[nocturne holly]

what math

[cobalt quarry]

idk i was looking to see how i can tweak that empoleon team

[nocturne holly]

Can you send it

[cobalt quarry]

^^

[molten oasis]

Anyway I need to get back to work, milkzz if you want competitive advice get over prejudices. Good luck in GC y’all

[cobalt quarry]

😔

ill do this stuff tomorrow

[gentle delta]

Sun but like, obviously a “i like these mons” teams

Tork, all the beast paras, glimm and sandy

[molten oasis]

Lol

[gentle delta]

2 losses now to an unfortunate crit but it is what it is

day 1 last time went 9-6 and still finished solid

[bold geode]

FUCK NO

Follow Me Teal Ogerpon redirected a Parting Shot fuck

[smoky hawk]

When my matches are done, I can play some FF7 Rebirth

This will be a wonderful week of gaming

[bold geode]

2-1

[cobalt quarry]

murkrow or whimsicott as a tailwind setter?

[bold geode]

Whimsicott or Tornadus is the real choice

[cobalt quarry]

k

[gentle delta]

8-2 still going strong

Best part of TR is the short games

[bold geode]

Now I'm 2-2

Dondozo is a bitch

I only got 1 crit out of like
10 Ivy Cudgels

And after Dondozo is down, they get 3 crits simultaneously

Not that they played shitty
Both sides played well, just the crits sealed it for sure

[next stump]

RIP

[molten oasis]

It’s joever

[gentle delta]

10-3 passed the Zoroark test

[delicate sequoia]

2-1 for GCII so far, I feel like the loss was largely down to a bad lead and overall team choices, but oh well, live and learn

[gentle delta]

11-3 atm going into a team thats either gonna be super free or miserable. The GC way of life

Nvm it was extremely free

cracks knuckles

[polar canyon]

Play rough and draco meteor have the same accuracy

But can we agree that play rough misses more

Surely not because it's a move you use more often when you happen to have it

[gentle delta]

bias because as you say you click play rough more

if you mathed it out its probably the same

[pastel blade]

When’s the next season start

[bold geode]

Did it just end?

If so, just give it a few hours

Iirc that's how long it'd be

[gentle delta]

it already did

according to most sources

the last one ended at 7pm est so

[pastel blade]

Still reg f?

[gentle delta]

Well yeah?

Given Reg G hasn't been announced how could you expect anything else

[pastel blade]

I don’t keep up with the news I just play

[molten oasis]

Pog

[smoky hawk]

I just had a game go to timer and I lost because I missed my draco meteor

It would have given me the kill and I'd win with more mon

😮‍💨

[smoky hawk]

I'm not playing the global challenge anymore

Pissing me off way too much

FF7 it is

[timber falcon]

oh god tobias

anime watchers nightmare

[pastel blade]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-the-rise-of-darkrai-pokemon-movie-darkrai-pokemon-mythical-pokemon-gif-27537224

[grizzled bronze]

yeah gc is so wild that it's getting kinda annoying
it is what it is tho

[molten oasis]

1000% better game

[smoky hawk]

The last game I faced a team that seemed like it was constructed specifically to counter mine

With weird strategies that worked perfectly against me

And a few games awful luck. I just want to stop sometimes

[whole ibex]

Hi sorry for super late reply but I’m gonna be new at where ever I work out.

Would jobs even take that still? Orlando Regionals start at April

[smoky hawk]

Then there are, of course, games where you guess their protects wrong 4 or 5 times in a row

I'm sure we can all relate to that

I might try urshifu with iron ball in TR again. Did that a long time ago and it was surprisingly effective. Helps to stop them from wasting your TR turns

[timber falcon]

Iron ball?

[dull ibex]

Hey everyone

[molten oasis]

Hru?

[dull ibex]

paranoid and tired

[willow vault]

Hello

[dull ibex]

hi

[craggy dagger]

:>

[willow vault]

You all doing good today?

[craggy dagger]

i just woke up so i dunno if it’s gonna be good or bad.
feeling hazy since it’s 3:50 but whatever

[willow vault]

am or pm?

[craggy dagger]

am-
i just woke up-

[willow vault]

Go back to bed, you shouldn’t be awake at that time

[willow vault]

Lots of people wake up at 3:50pm.

[raw thistle]

You see guys, you CAN make hard reads in low ladder

Just make sure to get the reads right

They won't toxic, they'll use the "x4 super effective move"

[willow vault]

In what format are you using primal Groudon?

[raw thistle]

Natdex ubers

[willow vault]

It’s legal?

[raw thistle]

Yeah

[willow vault]

Huh

[raw thistle]

In natdex ubers specifically

Or natdex ag but that does not exist

[craggy dagger]

mmmm-
i think i’m gonna stay awake…
gonna go do some early morning showdown testing

[willow vault]

No sleep now

[raw thistle]

But like the funniest part was that i first though about toxic

Then i was like "nah its a 1050 ELO, he'll use the water move"

[craggy dagger]

i gotta get to school in 2 hours i would rather stay awake

[raw thistle]

"I'll setup on him"

[willow vault]

I’m currently working on a Groudon team. It probably won’t work

[raw thistle]

Which meta?

[willow vault]

For when we have single restricted

[raw thistle]

Oh so future bss

[willow vault]

Yeah

[raw thistle]

Wish i could help

[willow vault]

You start school at 6am?

[craggy dagger]

grassy glide is looking really yummy right now

[willow vault]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

maybe-

[willow vault]

What the heck

I remember, back in my day. School started at 9am, and I was considered early by arriving at 8am. What went wrong

[craggy dagger]

selling my soul to the music program

[willow vault]

No

Never had soul, nothing to sell

[craggy dagger]

wym no-
band and choir have no place in timetable
true but still

[willow vault]

Anyways I finished the team idea, it’s a bad idea but it’s a complete idea anyway

[craggy dagger]

let’s see it

[willow vault]

Haven’t done the sets yet but I have the Pokemon

[craggy dagger]

have a paste?

[willow vault]

Just making one

https://pokepast.es/db72f1e4c48c4ef9

And no I haven’t done teras

[craggy dagger]

no precipice?

[willow vault]

I’m deciding what I want for its last move, I added heavy slam to delete flutter. I am deciding between coverage against kyogre or precipice

I get scared of missing precipice

85% isn’t great

[craggy dagger]

better than eruption though-

[mighty stump]

Prepping for a non-existent format kekw

[willow vault]

I wasn’t using eruption

[willow vault]

Yep

[willow vault]

It does have Snorlax though

[mighty stump]

Why use Groudon when Koraidon exists

[mighty stump]

Yeah, but the bad set

[willow vault]

Yeah 😪

[mighty stump]

smh

[willow vault]

I don’t know the good set

[mighty stump]

Changes id make is just using Koraidon/Wellspring which does the same thing Groudon/Gastro would do but better

Anyways time to play 1 GC game and hate it

[willow vault]

Because I prefer Groudon, I don’t really care about being the best. If it can work, that’s fine with me

[mighty stump]

Then use Precipice

[willow vault]

Ok

Also does follow me with Ogerpon-wellspring, stop its partner from being hit by water spout?

[mighty stump]

Not sure what Bronzong is doing here for you

[mighty stump]

Storm Drain doesn't either

[willow vault]

Oh

[mighty stump]

but no

[willow vault]

Welp, won’t be using this then

Time to be boring and use Calyrex shadow then 😭

[mighty stump]

I feel you've convinced yourself about what's boring and not already

[willow vault]

Yep

[mighty stump]

On a non-existent format

[willow vault]

I do that

Oh well

[willow vault]

Anyways thoughts on the state of the reg f?

I like how Urshifu-single strike is good

[molten oasis]

So

I think this is the best reg we’ve had so far

I’ve liked the format, I think it’s very diverse and there’s lots to test and explored

Nothing feels too overwhelming

However it’s a bit boring at times to play

People don’t explore lol

So you fight incin rilla stuff a lot, or Fariluna a lot

And I get it you want to use the best things to win

Just boring at time

[willow vault]

Thinking about using bronzing + rhyperior because I like both mons. Now I need to actually build the team

[molten oasis]

Trick room probably

[willow vault]

Thanks man, never would have gotten that

[tawny wyvern]

How can I get better at team building?

[next stump]

You need to have a pretty deep understanding of how meta teams function and what pokemon work well together

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9 Before yesterday i was losing a lot more with my rental team, any outdated issues it has? Also here is a member replacement https://pokepast.es/73c32a23881477a4

[mighty stump]

Just depends on observing what matchups your having trouble with.

People tend to be quick to start changing teams when they haven't dived deep into their team

[autumn vault]

I haved used the team since february but only now i start to lose more

i haven't made it back to master rank and i will do it, and if i lose more than i win it is time do do some changes

on showdown i win a lot more, just the switch ladder i lose more than i like

[craggy dagger]

cause with showdown you can click cancel-
cart you can’t so you spend more time choosing moves

[autumn vault]

i see

Maybe i click moves too fast

[craggy dagger]

take all the timer but 10secs left

to make your decision

[autumn vault]

I see, well i will go climb to master rank again 🙄

[charred saddle]

id think heatcrash groudon in sun Ohkoes flutter anyway

dont think u need heavy slam

[craggy dagger]

maybe…

[boreal mauve]

#383 Groudon Ground <:ground:772863431698939945>

Misc. info

Generation III
Gender Ratio:
0.0% ♂️ / 0.0% ♀️
Height/Weight:
3.5m / 950.0kg
Catch Rate:
3
Egg Groups: **
Undiscovered
​**

Base Stats

HP: 100
Atk: 150
Def: 140
SpA: 100
SpD: 90
Spe: 90
Total: 670

Abilities

Ability 1:
Drought
Ability 2:
​
Hidden Ability:
​

Dens

Sword: Unknown
Shield: Unknown

Provided by Nexus-Z

[craggy dagger]

100% should

[mighty stump]

168+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 212 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane in Sun: 155-183 (98.7 - 116.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

To be as EV sparing as possible so yea

[autumn vault]

I just found a Fezandipity and iron boulder in the same team lmao

Also mighty cleave cleaved through my tera flying r-moon

[molten oasis]

No problem bro

[autumn vault]

Funky stuff in GC (always has been)

[molten oasis]

That’s what you’re pointing out lmao

Not the Granbull

Or ludicolo

[autumn vault]

Also that is a shiny Zapdos

[molten oasis]

Yea that shiny sucks

[autumn vault]

I found inteleon and cind in the same team

Along with normal aguros, garde and flygon

Wtf is this team

[molten oasis]

The little Timmy’s are having a field day today huh

[knotty mirage]

I mean unlike in game ladder you can be matched by anyone so i guess it's makes sense to meet something likes that

[molten oasis]

Yea

[autumn vault]

True

[knotty mirage]

Because if i meet something likes that on ultra ball tier i'm going to be really happy

[molten oasis]

Freelo baybee

[knotty mirage]

[molten oasis]

Until you get crit and you cry

[knotty mirage]

Fair

[autumn vault]

I just eq'd my glimm for t-spikes

[molten oasis]

I played a match today cuz I was bored and literally won cuz the dude forgot how hyper voice works against sub

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2070970734

His out was a crit, bolt+lando never kills Primarina in the state it was in

And I literally would have won earlier if it wasn’t sitrus on amoonguss

[autumn vault]

Lucky

I am unlucky because in GC2 i have found an actually good team

[molten oasis]

Oof

[autumn vault]

Don't worry, i might win or lose

D-nite and incin vs my r moon and glimm

[molten oasis]

You might win

[autumn vault]

Thanks for believing in me : )

[molten oasis]

Positive mental attitude will help you play better

[autumn vault]

I set up T-Spikes now and tailwind

Ready to sweep with dozogiri

I won 3-1

[molten oasis]

Nice

[autumn vault]

Rn i am top 294 in the GC

Rating 1557.196

[molten oasis]

Nice

That’s pretty solid

[autumn vault]

Roaring moon glimmora dozogiri is such a good team comp

I am at a winning position against a prioriy spam team

[next stump]

1557 pretty solid for the first day

[autumn vault]

No losses (yet)

Burned : (

[timber falcon]

Dozo 😭

[autumn vault]

I lost

Burn mattered

So far 4-1

[next stump]

did they get a flare blitz burn?

[autumn vault]

A sacred fire burn

[next stump]

47.5% chance of happening, at least it’s not a flare blitz secondary effect

[autumn vault]

Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!!

[autumn vault]

True

An earth power Lycanroc, so legendary man

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

why though

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 745: Lycanroc

Type

Rock

Abilities

Keen Eye, Sand Rush, Steadfast (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/115/65/55/65/112

Total

487

Other Formes

Lycanroc-Midnight, Lycanroc-Dusk

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

It’s special attack is awful

[autumn vault]

I promise i am not lying

But seriously wtf

[molten oasis]

I believe you

[autumn vault]

You only see it in global challenge am i right?

[molten oasis]

Just, it’s dumb

[autumn vault]

Even casuals most likely wouldn't do it

I stopped for a bit, i have to take a break from the shitty teams and play some (very) strategy games (Fire Emblem)

[timber falcon]

Chien-Pao @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Icicle Crash
• Sucker Punch
• Taunt
• Protect

thoughts on this pao set?

[charred saddle]

its ok except CA

[timber falcon]

one thing i guarenteed want is taunt

[charred saddle]

dont see any reason for CA

[molten oasis]

Taunt????

[timber falcon]

hey u know i always gotta have taunt

[molten oasis]

Pao is the last Mon you want taunting

[timber falcon]

rly though?

[molten oasis]

It will be punished for not dealing damage

[timber falcon]

ive seen it fairly often

[charred saddle]

i mean its quite similar idea to flutter taunt

[molten oasis]

You live in low elo hell in that case cuz that’s insane

[molten oasis]

Ok well, flutter is bulky

[charred saddle]

but usually the flutter taunt are built more bulky

[molten oasis]

Pao is not

Pao is a piece of paper

[charred saddle]

yes, ur doing basically CA to counter intim, for damage

and no bulk

[timber falcon]

1400+ is low elo? sure taunt pao aint common but its not non existent

[charred saddle]

thats whats weird

[molten oasis]

Highest is 1900

I believe

So you’re underneath the mid ladder

[timber falcon]

so im near the middle or smth? im in the rift between 1490 and 1520

[molten oasis]

Also, don’t use taunt on pao

Just, it’s not worth it

[timber falcon]

fineeeeee

[autumn vault]

Rest are fine

[molten oasis]

Pao just wants sash all the time

Or life orb in some niche cases

[autumn vault]

anything that is not sash just straight up downgrades it (l-orb is situational)

[timber falcon]

decided to add crunch over taunt

[autumn vault]

NO PLS NO

[timber falcon]

why though

my fighting core is gonna be another mon

[autumn vault]

2 dark stabs for pao is unecesary

[molten oasis]

Sucker or crunch

[timber falcon]

but each have their weaknesses and i wanna hit hard..............

[autumn vault]

you have sacred sword or x-scizzor

[molten oasis]

It wants sacred sword. Just standard pao is the best pao

[timber falcon]

hm

[autumn vault]

this is true

[molten oasis]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[autumn vault]

i played vgc for only 1 year and that is a dumb idea imo

[timber falcon]

who uses x scizzor

[molten oasis]

I’m a little over an year in

[timber falcon]

im like 5 months

[autumn vault]

only good when farigiraf or indeedee is on the team and even then its not worth it

[molten oasis]

There is no reason to run X-scissor

[autumn vault]

although i did say it, sacred sword is better 100%

[molten oasis]

Sash 252 att 252 spe jolly pao the best and most reliable

[timber falcon]

guess ill go standard sacred

[molten oasis]

Even if it just plays protect simulator

[timber falcon]

hmm also why is ice spinner over crash?

[molten oasis]

Standard is fine

[autumn vault]

crash is not affected by rocky helmet

spinner is

[timber falcon]

yeah but spinner getting more usage

[molten oasis]

Crash is used when you have a rilla or Dede and spinner is used when you don’t have terrain and want ti shut down other terrain

[autumn vault]

this is true

[timber falcon]

makes sense

so overall spinner more reliable?

[autumn vault]

yes, crash is more situational however

[molten oasis]

By 5% yes

[dapper crag]

Move: Icicle Crash

Has a 30% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[autumn vault]

but spinner bettter imo

[molten oasis]

10%*

It’s team dependent

People just don’t run rilla with pao much rn

[timber falcon]

this is the team so far

https://pokepast.es/fc4badbc76baea1a

[molten oasis]

No bulk wellspring ?

[autumn vault]

not terrible, but dragonite is the best chien pao abuser not arcanine

[timber falcon]

and ofc i messed up harcanine evs

[timber falcon]

idk sets

[molten oasis]

Also, harc?

[timber falcon]

harcanine there for testing, not abusing, i normall run bulkt support hanine for this

[molten oasis]

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 12 Def / 28 SpD / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Spiky Shield
• Follow Me

[timber falcon]

ok ill use this thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

If you’re running pao I’d rather Entei here

Less weaknesses and you get inner focus

[autumn vault]

or dnite, depends on the team, if you want a fire replacement for harcanine entei 100%

[molten oasis]

You can easily do both

[timber falcon]

but the team is supposed to be harcanine based........

[molten oasis]

So you tried hands

And now you’re on harc

[timber falcon]

harc actually got potential though

[molten oasis]

Really using all the reg d/e meta mons huh

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

This guy doesn’t care for you politics

[timber falcon]

i mean hands because i had a spare shiny and harc cause of its amazing shiny

[molten oasis]

also why entei is better

Innner focus stops intimidate

BUT you can use harc ig

It’s not bad just outclassed

[timber falcon]

im retracting back to a different harc set tbh

[molten oasis]

Then use incin or entei

Harc is like, a band Mon only kinda like how lando t is really only a scarf Mon

You want wisp incin does it better

It’s + over incin is rocks

[timber falcon]

band only 70% used which is for HO, arc still got other neat options

[molten oasis]

Balance teams used banded harc ALL the time

[timber falcon]

rly?

[molten oasis]

Yes

Choice items on teams doesn’t mean it’s HO

Specs flutter is on a lot of balance teams

[timber falcon]

thats cause its splashable though

[autumn vault]

I use rocky head banded harc for no reason outside of destruction

[molten oasis]

Banded harc was splashable before

Now it’s incin

[timber falcon]

i see.

yk what ill ditch the idea i got no more in me

reality really smacks so damn hard

[molten oasis]

I tired making Hydrapple work for a month

Unfortunately power creep is real and it sucks

[timber falcon]

putting so many mons outa their jobs

[autumn vault]

i tried making regigigas work for a week, power creep and lack of dmax really hurt it, even with weezing it is not that amazing because of urshifu

[timber falcon]

though im suprised tsarena is so low on pikalytics

works well 4 me

[molten oasis]

I mean if you put in the effort and know how to build teams yiu can make things work

[timber falcon]

wolfey vgc mindset

[molten oasis]

I got Gapdos and Primarina to work well

[molten oasis]

Okay and?

[timber falcon]

its good

i wonder how he pulls it off

[molten oasis]

I’m not saying ANYTHING can work

[timber falcon]

yeah thats a given

[molten oasis]

But like

[timber falcon]

but he makes odd sets actually work

[molten oasis]

Ok let’s look at harc

What is harc good into

What are its positives

[autumn vault]

he has the World Champ Diff for a reason

[timber falcon]

bulk and great offensive moves

[molten oasis]

Specifics

I can say that about hydrspple

[timber falcon]

rockslide and intimidate

[autumn vault]

Also i made regigigas work but i adresses the issues here, also it is just hard to make any pokemon work (i made regigigas work)

[molten oasis]

Great, what mons is that specifically good into

[timber falcon]

chien pao, dragonite, flutter??? ect.

[molten oasis]

Cool

What is it not good into

[autumn vault]

water and ground pokemon

[molten oasis]

Yes but you gotta give names

It’s a bit broad

[timber falcon]

Water shifu, lando I, dark shifu

And Incin

[molten oasis]

it’s ok inti incin I was mostly looking for wellspring and lando i but yea

Anyway, that’s what you look for

[timber falcon]

Idk from experience incin really ruins it

[molten oasis]

When using something on the niche end you need to find what exactly is it doing that something else can’t

[timber falcon]

Intimidate rockslide

[molten oasis]

Like with my Gapdos for example, it is a Mon that has consistent flying dsmage, defiant, and a lot of positive and neutral mu’s it tends to win

Nothing else gets that lol

Or with Primarina, yiu get a unique and great defensive ruling along with a strong offensive typing that’s good into a good chunk of the meta and pairs well with Hearthflame, and that’s another thing

Gotta find the things it pairs best with

Luckily since harc used to be used a lot in a previous reg you can get ideas there

I’m using my team as an example cuz it’s recent and it’s my main team

So harc can work fine things just ruin it’s life

[autumn vault]

all of this is true

[timber falcon]

so basically add coverage or mons that support it?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[mighty stump]

You need to look at all of it's strengths, the matchups it improves, and what holes you then need to plug meta-wise.

[molten oasis]

Wellspring and pao are great partners for it

[mighty stump]

Its more than just niches being "Intimidate + Rock Slide"

[timber falcon]

yeah thats what i thought

[mighty stump]

Why do you need Rock Slide? What teams appreciate Intimidate and can make use of it?

[molten oasis]

Yea, Hearth allows Primarina to sit infront of bolt for example

or like, hearth kills flutter for gapdos

Bolt handles shifu for the team

[timber falcon]

ok i still got hope then, lemme make a team and ill soon be back

[autumn vault]

ok

[molten oasis]

Imagine if a ground fsiry type was real

[autumn vault]

true

[molten oasis]

Bolts worst nightmare

[autumn vault]

and miraidon's nightmare (also a nightmare for my son Zekrom)

[molten oasis]

Fr

Also disgusting offensive combo

[dapper crag]

Ground, Fairy

Hits for 1x

Bug, Fairy, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Poison, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

[autumn vault]

no resist's, godamn

[molten oasis]

Fun fact

[dapper crag]

Fighting, Flying

Hits for 1x

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Grass, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

This also has no resistances

[autumn vault]

Hawlucha loves it's typing

[mighty stump]

Steel/Ghost

[molten oasis]

Ok to single types lol

And yes gapdos doesn’t like gholdengo

Does anything resist Ground Fairy?

[mighty stump]

Steel/Flying

[timber falcon]

will jolly poa be enough to KO defensive flutter?

[mighty stump]

No

[molten oasis]

Adamant is

[timber falcon]

so adamant it is

[molten oasis]

Ah

So Corviknight lol

[mighty stump]

or Bronzong

[timber falcon]

i dont think theres a type combo that has no weaknesses

[molten oasis]

Oh yea cuz levitate

[molten oasis]

Nope, fairy took that away

[timber falcon]

rotom heat too

[timber falcon]

so which combo got none

[molten oasis]

Everything has a weakness

[autumn vault]

except for freeze dry water type

[mighty stump]

Empoleon

[timber falcon]

yeah i said this though

[molten oasis]

Ghost and Dark was the only type without a weaknesses until fairies were introduced

[mighty stump]

Neutral to Freeze Dry lmao

[molten oasis]

Empoleon just different

[mighty stump]

Man

[autumn vault]

i thought Drayage said everything has a weakness as in defensively a weakness

[mighty stump]

Tera Fire Roaring Moon just hits so different

[molten oasis]

You’re using a Tera fire moon?

[mighty stump]

Yea

Based mon

[molten oasis]

Is it ddance?

[timber falcon]

i- what- thats good but i never thought of it

[autumn vault]

i use tera flying acrobatics

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[mighty stump]

It's Tera Blast Tera Fire

[timber falcon]

🤝

[molten oasis]

I fucking can’t resist using that gif sometimes lmao

[molten oasis]

Ah, sun team?

[mighty stump]

Sun team.

[timber falcon]

[molten oasis]

Makes sense

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[molten oasis]

That would hit so hard

[autumn vault]

I use T-Spikes dozogiri

[autumn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

isn't it true?

[molten oasis]

Ok it’s not as funny when you do it to yourself

[mighty stump]

Lol

[timber falcon]

man why pikalytics not show most used tera

[molten oasis]

Yiu running that in GC?

[timber falcon]

anyone got a nice tera for pao?

[autumn vault]

[molten oasis]

[molten oasis]

Ghost

[mighty stump]

Yeah, it's based off JoeUX9's old Kingambit team and David Koutesh's team in Reg C

[autumn vault]

The funny part is that it showed it before, not sure why they removed it

[molten oasis]

Neat

[timber falcon]

call me crazy, but what about poison

[molten oasis]

Why

[mighty stump]

Did you not see the paste Drago

It's kinda insane what I have

Lol

[molten oasis]

I glanced over it lol

[autumn vault]

I tried tera fighting chien pao and got yelled at by the server

[timber falcon]

fairy AND fighing resistance

[timber falcon]

wha-

[molten oasis]

I was exhausted and was about to pass out

Ghost grants an immunity to FO and fighting moves