competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Then I’ll make suggestions

nvm

[wispy delta]

You down?

[willow vault]

Can someone let us watch the battle?

[timber falcon]

bet

[wispy delta]

Sure idk how we can do that but I’m with it

[molten oasis]

It’s singles

I have lost interest lol

[wispy delta]

We do doubles and fight one on one?

[willow vault]

We can talk about next reg whilst we watch

[wispy delta]

Is that how ya watch ?

I’m not a good doubler battler lol I’m wack but singles I think I’m really a issue for people no cocky

[molten oasis]

Mhmm, most of us don’t play singles

[timber falcon]

I’ll be ready in a sec, been a hot minute since i last did singles

[willow vault]

I wish you could ignore follow similar to rage powder, it would be interesting

[molten oasis]

Most of us play VGC here

[timber falcon]

Archaludo-

[wispy delta]

It’s cause I haven’t play enough doubles to learn the strats and all that

[molten oasis]

Well the move was balanced by giving it to weaker mons, then they gave it to ogerpon

[wispy delta]

And ok @timber falcon just let me know when you are ready

[timber falcon]

Will do

[willow vault]

Also Ogerpon should have never got follow me, it should have been something for Pokemon with weaker bst

[molten oasis]

[timber falcon]

What about archaludon

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/1c90becaad524ae4 i feel very evil with this team

[timber falcon]

Him and dura can counter follow me

[molten oasis]

Why ever run stalwart when stamina is just better

[autumn vault]

stalwart is worse than stamina

[willow vault]

Genius, we will destroy this Calyrex + indeedee with Archaludon, nvm I don’t like Archaludon

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-mahito-itadori-yuji-yuji-itadori-i’m-you-gif-3829236877819562557

[molten oasis]

Into caly you bring dark types

[autumn vault]

: )

[willow vault]

You look like the standard team we all expect

[molten oasis]

True

[timber falcon]

Absolute HO smack downs

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile I got my Zac wellspring balance team

[autumn vault]

its still very hard to break through (i think)

[willow vault]

I’m gonna use cosmog as my restricted

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah btw if bundle isn’t good in my team what should I do ?

[timber falcon]

Based

[willow vault]

I know

[molten oasis]

Wellspring

Or torn

[timber falcon]

Torn

I like torn better

[molten oasis]

Bundle fits a weird role rn

[willow vault]

Sash Urshifu-single strike looks pretty strong into your team with adequate support. Also rilla has negative synergy with indeedee

[molten oasis]

And it’s just, really inconsistent

[timber falcon]

Inconsistency is key

[molten oasis]

No it isn’t

[timber falcon]

Nvm that’s wrong

[molten oasis]

Also why are you SASSY NATURE on hands

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

[willow vault]

[timber falcon]

Cause hands is just like that 💅

[molten oasis]

Make that shit adamant rn

[willow vault]

I like Whiscash it makes me laugh

[autumn vault]

Ik

[timber falcon]

Will do lmao

[willow vault]

A girlboss?

[timber falcon]

Well it’s genderless- but yes

[autumn vault]

I think maybe iron hands does what rilla does (fake out)

[willow vault]

Yeah

[timber falcon]

Except smack harder

[molten oasis]

I am glad hands isn’t meta anymore

[willow vault]

Not me giving him a third ground weakness, gastro looking clean

[molten oasis]

I was not a big fan of it personally

[willow vault]

I like fans

[molten oasis]

Wtf

[molten oasis]

Wood hammer hits harder

[autumn vault]

also hands will be better in the restricted meta since Miraidon will be common and it can do fake out like rilla (and not replace terrain)

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah

[willow vault]

It didn’t put up a fan when I typed fan

[molten oasis]

Rilla literally counters that lead

[autumn vault]

also does great into single strike urshifu

[molten oasis]

And anything with eq

Or a ground move

Like GROUDON

[willow vault]

Lando-t?

[autumn vault]

ground is not a problem

[willow vault]

Oh no Lando-t

[molten oasis]

Tf are you talking about

[willow vault]

You have 3 weaknesses

[autumn vault]

wait incin has the same type as chi-yu

[willow vault]

Yeah

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah it does

[willow vault]

How did you not know

[autumn vault]

Rage Bait

[molten oasis]

Hands and miraidon share fairy and ground

So you bring like, groudon and flutter

And just win

[willow vault]

That will be good

[molten oasis]

Koraidon will probably be the go to sun setter

[willow vault]

Wait, flutter is becoming Groudon offensive partner now that Xerneas isn’t there, noooooooooooooooo

[molten oasis]

It’s more consistent

[molten oasis]

Id rather have flutter than xerneas

At least I can kill it with rillaboom

[timber falcon]

The Koraidon disrespect

[willow vault]

Ground + fairy does wild damage combinations

[molten oasis]

Xerneas is, gross

[willow vault]

True

[molten oasis]

And I hate it’s existence

[willow vault]

But offensively I’m scared again, why are restricted formats so terrifying?

[autumn vault]

I prefer Xerneas over Flutter mane ngl

[willow vault]

Psycho

[timber falcon]

[autumn vault]

atleast roar is bad against it

[molten oasis]

What

[willow vault]

You must not have played back in the Xerneas formats

[knotty mirage]

Well at least it's good thing we don't get both

[autumn vault]

and physical steel/poison moves kill it

[molten oasis]

Xerneas is argued the best restricted ever

[timber falcon]

@wispy delta I’m ready

[willow vault]

And they don’t for flutter?

[autumn vault]

poison doesnt do it as easily

also i was trolling

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[willow vault]

Have you seen each of their physical defence and go stats?

[autumn vault]

^

[molten oasis]

Stop trolling

[willow vault]

You suck

[molten oasis]

It’s not funny

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[autumn vault]

i promise i will stop (for this week)

[willow vault]

You gave us ptsd, and I was 11 when Xerneas was going crazy back in 2016

[wispy delta]

What’s the code @timber falcon

[molten oasis]

Well tbf

[timber falcon]

5828

[willow vault]

I didn’t play comp

[molten oasis]

We have Zacian now

[willow vault]

Less scary

[molten oasis]

We have A WAY to kill Xern

[autumn vault]

and can kill flutter instantly

[molten oasis]

Oh flutter hates the presence of Zac

[timber falcon]

Can’t wait for flutter to die out

[willow vault]

Mostly due to the fact we had prime Groudon next to Xerneas and not as ridiculous partners for Zacian, imo.

[molten oasis]

Wrong

It won’t die out

[willow vault]

Very wrong

[molten oasis]

It’ll probably get better

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-troll-face-sad-trollface-welp-gif-18524323

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/416dd7b842cfb09e what i managed to come up with

[molten oasis]

I hate flutter, I want it to die

[willow vault]

Also flutter isn’t a bad Pokémon to be really good, it fits on many archetypes of team allowing for different teams to be good

[molten oasis]

But like, it’s just too good

[timber falcon]

It’s braindead

[molten oasis]

Also mind you

[autumn vault]

Volo is finally being in the right

[molten oasis]

Yiu csnt just go “run the restricted Mon” cuz you only get 1

[autumn vault]

it is toxic

[molten oasis]

Yiu still have to make a team with 5 non restricted

[timber falcon]

@wispy delta Glhf

[willow vault]

Having a Pokémon reliant on Tera (Landorus) when restricteds will almost always get the Tera feel like an odd choice, but try it in over a month when we have a new format

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/5f81d55d09ee0c3b

i changed hand's tera to the correct one

[willow vault]

What’s thunder punch and ice punch for?

[autumn vault]

ice punch for ground types

Thunder punch because there isn't a better electric move that is safe

[willow vault]

But why thunder punch?

[molten oasis]

So it’s gonna be a combination of finding the things that are strongest and the things that aren’t restricted that are strong into the restricted picks

[willow vault]

Wild charge

[autumn vault]

Recoil, i don't like recoil moves

[willow vault]

Amoongus and Incineroar (again)

[molten oasis]

Just run wild charge

[willow vault]

Get over it

[autumn vault]

no

only exception is wave crash

[willow vault]

Then your putting yourself at a disadvantage

[willow vault]

So you are just lying

[autumn vault]

Exceptions exist, like wave crash

[autumn vault]

i don't use flutter anymore, that is nothing compared to it

[timber falcon]

@wispy delta I MISCKLICKED LMFAO

[willow vault]

You said you don’t like recoil moveS, moves. If you want to use worse moves fine but have a good reason atleast like missing moves

[willow vault]

What did you do?

[autumn vault]

supercell slam misses and punishes with too much recoil

[willow vault]

Did I mention supercell slam?

[autumn vault]

no

[timber falcon]

Clicked clangourous soul at like 15% hp left 😭

[willow vault]

Oh come on man

[molten oasis]

Don’t do that

Use wild charge

[autumn vault]

if it was a more hp iron hands, then yes

[timber falcon]

Ah- ice punch ape

[molten oasis]

Dude

[willow vault]

Then put more hp on it

[molten oasis]

HANDS HAS BADE 140 HP

[willow vault]

Its restricteds

[molten oasis]

are you trolling again or are you serious?

[autumn vault]

Serious

[willow vault]

Nahhhhhh

[molten oasis]

Dude run wild charge

[craggy dagger]

wait what’s going on?

[molten oasis]

It’s like running fire punch over flare blitz

[craggy dagger]

3 punch hands…

[autumn vault]

Ogerpon does not know a fire type move outside of ivy cudgel

[willow vault]

They said OVER

[timber falcon]

@wispy delta it’s not looking gud for me is it

[autumn vault]

another reason i did it is for the memes

[craggy dagger]

and does not need to know another fire type move outside of ivy cudgel

[molten oasis]

Run wild charge

[craggy dagger]

she already gets enough coverage

[willow vault]

We weren’t mentioning Ogerpon

[molten oasis]

It was a typo lol

[willow vault]

Dammit Drago

[craggy dagger]

i’m replying to this ^^

[molten oasis]

Yea it only needs Ivy cudgel, very good move

[timber falcon]

2 quick claws in a row…..

[craggy dagger]

run supercell slam /j

[autumn vault]

Listen, i will test the 2 moves but not now, i have some stuff to do and it will take like 30 minutes

[craggy dagger]

wild charge is standard hands set-

[autumn vault]

if thunder punch turns out to be better, do not complain

[willow vault]

Nova, go back to studying no supercell slams

[willow vault]

It won’t

[autumn vault]

testing can give the best answers

[molten oasis]

Nah I’ll complain anyway cuz theres no way that’ll be worse than t-punch

[timber falcon]

@wispy delta ggs lol

[craggy dagger]

if you’re gonna make a non standard set, run belt drum swords dance close combat drain punch clear amulet

[willow vault]

The base power difference is way to big

[craggy dagger]

75 to 90 right?

[autumn vault]

plus in a meta with VERY hard hitters charge might kill hands when thunder punch won't

[molten oasis]

Please ohko a shifu with Thunder punch

[wispy delta]

@timber falcon GG you were really good thank you 🙏🏼

[gentle crag]

hithimup83 has given 1 Gen Rep to otot8953

[dapper crag]

Move: Thunder Punch

Has a 10% chance to paralyze the target.

Type

Electric

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

Nah dw I know my team was wack

[willow vault]

Let me boost first

[molten oasis]

Homie, just use wild charge

Hands takes a lot of hits

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Iron Hands Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 152-180 (86.8 - 102.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO so not great odds but let me calc wild charge

[wispy delta]

You team wasn’t wack @timber falcon that blaziken had me shaky

[willow vault]

Especially if you give it assault vest

[timber falcon]

Yeah I didn’t except scarf nine tails

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 180-212 (102.8 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO i see, but what about kyogre?

[wispy delta]

If I wouldn’t have got the quick claw activate that would’ve been game

The nine tails wasn’t scarfed

[timber falcon]

Rly??v

[wispy delta]

Sitrus berry

[willow vault]

It’s a noticeable difference

[wispy delta]

It’s cause you were paralyzed I think I always go first

[molten oasis]

Do not put kyogre in this argument this is related to the current reg

[timber falcon]

No my speed is lowered in half

[autumn vault]

252+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 194-230 (110.8 - 131.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Iron Hands Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 162-192 (92.5 - 109.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
^ is a coin flip

[wispy delta]

Ohh

[timber falcon]

That means if I had literally been patient and pressed protect I coulda won-

[molten oasis]

Meanwhile it’s a guarantee with wild charge

[wispy delta]

So yea still wasn’t able to outspeed with the boost you had

Woww and you had protect

[craggy dagger]

i would rather a guaranteed than a coin flip-

[wispy delta]

Yea blaziken is cheesy

[autumn vault]

well i will go now, I GET WHAT YOU MEAN OK

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/9c6921088758ef9d
what am i doing

[willow vault]

Homie please just use wild charge

[timber falcon]

Yeah I ran it in my gimmick doubles team with smeagle lol

[willow vault]

Something odd…

[wispy delta]

Even if I would’ve never been able to get the second quick claw I would’ve lost

[molten oasis]

Whwre is kingambit

[wispy delta]

Doubles you’ll cook me no lie

[timber falcon]

Yah but I guess it’s karma for missing the twave

[wispy delta]

It’s to many strategies I’m not in tune enough

[craggy dagger]

we have gambit at home
it’s a vgc draft i’m taking part of and gambit was taken

[wispy delta]

Foreal I was like whattt 😂😂

[willow vault]

Oh ok

[wispy delta]

Pokémon hacks they’re fun and annoying

Let me know if you want your rematch

[molten oasis]

Aww, L

[craggy dagger]

it looks okay right…?

[willow vault]

What the team, is it single battles or doubles?

[molten oasis]

Draining kiss seems better on Comfey no?

[craggy dagger]

doubles vgc

[craggy dagger]

from a 0atk comfey-?

[molten oasis]

It’s a special move

[craggy dagger]

owh-

[dapper crag]

Move: Draining Kiss

The user recovers 3/4 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[charred saddle]

idk if u should have TR

[willow vault]

No protect on Ogerpon?

[craggy dagger]

HUH

[charred saddle]

ur basically so speedy

u can even just do like draining kiss giga drain haha

[craggy dagger]

okay no ignore me

[willow vault]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Also tailwind not trick room

[craggy dagger]

TR is to reverse tr opposing players

[charred saddle]

oh comfey gets TW?

[craggy dagger]

cause once tr goes up i get nothing and am kinda dead

[charred saddle]

but you have taunt?

[craggy dagger]

owh

[willow vault]

Bruh

[craggy dagger]

wait-

[molten oasis]

[willow vault]

[charred saddle]

and since ur not pranskter anyway, fari cant stop it

[craggy dagger]

i’m too used to

prankster taunt

[molten oasis]

Fair

[timber falcon]

Mental herb farig (saw one today)

[charred saddle]

OTS weird stuff

[molten oasis]

Why do you ever mental herb Fari

[willow vault]

[craggy dagger]

i see throat spray and rocky helm more

[molten oasis]

What a waste

[charred saddle]

well ig ment herb isnt that weird

just not common

[timber falcon]

It makes sense tbh

[craggy dagger]

goggles too

[willow vault]

What is this?

[charred saddle]

but ur sacrificing lots of bulk or other potential item

[molten oasis]

Obamasnow

[willow vault]

Obamasnow? Huh

[timber falcon]

Tofu said if it makes sense it’s fine so I can’t complain

[willow vault]

Does it make sense?

[craggy dagger]

and yeah no protec on pon cause i wanna run a little more damage-

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-shrug-idk-i-dont-know-obama-gif-15684252

[molten oasis]

Sitrus also makes way more sense

[craggy dagger]

but then again, having protec is really useful so

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Or throat sore sun

[willow vault]

It’ll get doubled

[molten oasis]

My god I can’t type

[willow vault]

Are you sure?

[molten oasis]

THROAT SPRAY

[timber falcon]

I mean it’s to stop taunt so yeah

[craggy dagger]

copium life orb pao

[willow vault]

Ah yes throat sore sun, my favourite

[timber falcon]

didn’t even notice this

[molten oasis]

Anyway before I go anyone wanna Bo3?

[timber falcon]

I’d win

[craggy dagger]

lemme test this team

[molten oasis]

Ight

[timber falcon]

Lemme watch fr

[willow vault]

Can we watch?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[craggy dagger]

HappyW on showdown :>

[willow vault]

Nice

[timber falcon]

So how does one actually watch

[willow vault]

Idk

[molten oasis]

I will send a link

[timber falcon]

Ok

[willow vault]

Cool

[molten oasis]

Once my laptop loads showdown

[timber falcon]

Showdown needs to load?

[willow vault]

[molten oasis]

Yes it requires internet

@craggy dagger user?

[timber falcon]

Oh it does load doesn’t it

[willow vault]

^

[charred saddle]

oh

[molten oasis]

Thanks

[craggy dagger]

^^

[charred saddle]

drago after that play me once before i sleep

[willow vault]

All good

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/14138c003b9c094d any opinions? Also yes, iron hands now has wild chargre, you happy?

[timber falcon]

I wanna fight too

[willow vault]

More games

[molten oasis]

Ok

[willow vault]

Very

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2069700433

[willow vault]

Dw I don’t wanna fight

[autumn vault]

i mean after pissing people off for like 10 minutes i was sure

[autumn vault]

which user are you?

[molten oasis]

The gapdos team

[autumn vault]

ok

[willow vault]

Yo, Vivaldi made some really good music

[molten oasis]

@charred saddle ready?

[charred saddle]

sent

[craggy dagger]

welll….

[molten oasis]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2069712136

[autumn vault]

damn

[craggy dagger]

that went better than i expected

[autumn vault]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/game-bestof3-gen9vgc2024regf-2069712276 bo3 can go in really good ways

well i have to go do some stuff

[willow vault]

See ya

[autumn vault]

Same

[willow vault]

huh?

[autumn vault]

same as in: See ya

[willow vault]

oh

[autumn vault]

what a bo3 i had

#rental_teams message this is also the team i used

[gentle crag]

lycopoky (ID 1104069302946103348)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Team name: No. 1
Code:H3S4LY
Format: VGC Reg F
Paste:https://pokepast.es/981bd3c6bac376b9
Today i will send the last version of my reg F weezing regigigas team featuring my 3rd favourite legend: Regigigas
Notes:
Regigigas: One of the only 2 team members who can deal with ground types, also with weezing its basically a restricted legend against unrestricted, although palafin has (nearly) the same stats, Gigas doesnt need to switch and can be a big threat immediately
Weezing: Max sp. def and hp for a ton of bulk, will-o-wisp for fighters that threaten gigas, taunt to shut down tr and amoonguss
Incin: Although it isn't ability shield its still a solid member with very good synergy with mane and wellspring, in this choice its knock off to annoy supports and knock off is a really nice move in general
Wellspring: 188 evs on speed and jolly outspeed timid max speed lando-i, a really basic moveset, not much to say
Raging bolt: an amazing pick to counter torn and urshifu rapid, its a fairy to counter other dragons and it doesnt need its ability to shine, physically bulky with calm mind is such a good duo
Flutter mane: A really bulky one and it also doesnt need it's ability to shine, a basic item with basic tera, t-bolt to counter flying and provides great synergy with incin
Leads: Gigas + weezing, waterpon + incin, incin + mane/bolt, bolt/flutter + weezing, NOT incin + weezing OR regigigas with anything that is not weezing
Also a big thanks to @molten oasis for helping with the team

Command triggered by lycopoky. Message from · Feb 22, 2024, 3:11 PM

[autumn vault]

i did not expect it to be that big, ^ is the exact team i used in that bo3 you spectated

[willow vault]

I am aware, I have seen the team. Not sure how I feel about weezing + regigigas but other make it work better than I can

[molten oasis]

good games yall

[charred saddle]

gg

[molten oasis]

got to show off the team hehe

I will say game 2

Gapdos dying first turn cost me

I went for Bb and Ivy cudgel and the crit fucked me iver

[willow vault]

Good set

[molten oasis]

@charred saddle @craggy dagger did you guys happen to save those sets?

Well, I got Poosee’s

[craggy dagger]

yeah

of fuck nvm

[molten oasis]

Damn

Wanted to save them to look over them

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-spin-cat-animation-gif-21595266

[nocturne holly]

I’m actually a fucking god

At saxophone

literally could play vgc on it

[craggy dagger]

what

[molten oasis]

Did my spinning cat on a chair gif summon you

To say that of all things

[nocturne holly]

Yes very much

[molten oasis]

[sullen elk]

does anyone know empoleon build? i havent used it before and im not sure about the build i have right now, i also wanna try it out with a vest but lmk

[molten oasis]

Id ping tofu but he sleeping

Empoleon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 172 HP / 76 Def / 228 SpA / 4 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Pledge
• Flash Cannon
• Ice Beam
• Vacuum Wave

This is one tofu used in a rental

[nocturne holly]

Does heal pulse go through substitute

[dapper crag]

Move: Heal Pulse

The target restores 1/2 of its maximum HP, rounded half up. If the user has the Mega Launcher Ability, the target instead restores 3/4 of its maximum HP, rounded half down.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Pulse

Boosted by Mega Launcher.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Move: Substitute

The user takes 1/4 of its maximum HP, rounded down, and puts it into a substitute to take its place in battle. The substitute is removed once enough damage is inflicted on it, or if the user switches out or faints. Baton Pass can be used to transfer the substitute to an ally, and the substitute will keep its remaining HP. Until the substitute is broken, it receives damage from all attacks made by other Pokemon and shields the user from status effects and stat stage changes caused by other Pokemon. Sound-based moves and Pokemon with the Infiltrator Ability ignore substitutes. The user still takes normal damage from weather and status effects while behind its substitute. If the substitute breaks during a multi-hit attack, the user will take damage from any remaining hits. If a substitute is created while the user is trapped by a binding move, the binding effect ends immediately. Fails if the user does not have enough HP remaining to create a substitute without fainting, or if it already has a substitute.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

It’s not sound so no

[nocturne holly]

What about Allie’s substitute

[molten oasis]

What

[nocturne holly]

if my teammate has substitute and I wanna heal pulse it

[molten oasis]

No

It’s not sound

[nocturne holly]

Fuck

[molten oasis]

I’m never buying a Kickstart again I feel like shit

And chest pain 🫠

[craggy dagger]

what

[nocturne holly]

Bo3?

[molten oasis]

I just wanted to not pass out during class

[molten oasis]

It’s an energy drink, that’s Mountain Dew

[craggy dagger]

that sounds….
interesting

[molten oasis]

And it was a mistake to buy there’s so much fucking caffeine

[nocturne holly]

** bo3?**

[craggy dagger]

should have just straight up drank coffee

[molten oasis]

In class

[nocturne holly]

L

[craggy dagger]

like a iced latte or something

[molten oasis]

I did not have time to make coffee

[nocturne holly]

bo3?

[craggy dagger]

you really want to battle huh

[nocturne holly]

mhm

[craggy dagger]

sure i’ll entertain you with the team i used against drago

[molten oasis]

I mean

[nocturne holly]

User is Lyxish

[molten oasis]

Just put gambit on it

The team is good with gambit

[craggy dagger]

IT WAS A DRAFT

[nocturne holly]

gambit is fucking crazy

[craggy dagger]

i had no access to gambit

[molten oasis]

Ik I’m saying for this bo3

Just use gambit lol

[craggy dagger]

nah-
i need to get used to using this team

[nocturne holly]

Ong

[molten oasis]

Alright. Cigar what team are you using

I can watch just can’t play

[nocturne holly]

I’ll send the spectate link

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2069880039

[craggy dagger]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2024regf-2069880039

[nocturne holly]

I did it faster 😈

We are both fucking up to tremendous degrees lmao

[craggy dagger]

eh…
close enough

i tried my best

[molten oasis]

Yea

[nocturne holly]

You did good

[craggy dagger]

i sold that round with protect floral healing

[nocturne holly]

You had me sweating first game

[molten oasis]

Should not have Tera’d the pao second game

Shifu is, yea shifu is bad for pao

[nocturne holly]

Why bisharp

[molten oasis]

Draft

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 625: Bisharp

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Inner Focus, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/100/60/70/70

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

i was expecting ss into the other slot and fake out into pao

[nocturne holly]

Oh draft

[molten oasis]

Never lead pao into shifu lol

[craggy dagger]

yeah that’s fair

[molten oasis]

I see the logic but that was not a good turn and cost you the game

[nocturne holly]

That’s honestly a good team for draft

[craggy dagger]

i’m just pissed about the floral healing protect turn-

[molten oasis]

If pao switched into Suicune yiu would have been better off

Also why didn’t you bring wellspring

Even with u-turns wellspring is very valuable in this mu

[craggy dagger]

good point-

i kinda forgot about crying kitty-

overall still was fun-
although i fucked up more than when i played against drago…

[molten oasis]

Lol

I wish we saved that that would have been good for review

You played good

You took a game off me

[craggy dagger]

sameee

budget gambit goes crazy

[molten oasis]

We could run another later if you want

[craggy dagger]

i did not expect that to KO a 50% resisted

[molten oasis]

Game 2 clicking Tera on Prima was a mistake lol

[molten oasis]

Well, it hits hard

I’m annoyed cuz it costs me but it makes some sense

[craggy dagger]

i was tera dark though

[molten oasis]

Yea that’s prob why

[craggy dagger]

the sucker punch mind games on game 1 was fun though

[nocturne holly]

Ong scary

eviolite is also annoying

[craggy dagger]

yeah

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2069880039

[nocturne holly]

Floral healing is also a nice tech

[craggy dagger]

i should put that elsewhere

[nocturne holly]

anyways

Kanye is so fucking gooooodd

[molten oasis]

Oh um, cigar

Latias has fallen off again

Tw setters are Suicune and Torn rn

Mostly torn cuz, torn

[craggy dagger]

drago no

you don’t diss lati like that

[molten oasis]

I’m being honest

It’s fallen off, I’m not saying don’t use it I’m just letting them know it fell off

[craggy dagger]

let me cope in peace xD
she’s still around right?

[molten oasis]

You want the truth?

[craggy dagger]

she’s…
around…
just not as prominent

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen 1

The past 3 weeks lol

[craggy dagger]

i know i’m spouting copium

i’ve given up on her too what can i say…

[molten oasis]

You have to look for things that are good into the meta for niche picks

Latias just doesn’t do much

I looked at Gapdos and Primarina since they have value as niche picks into the meta

Gapdos is good into all the grass mons and fighting flying is great offensive coversge

[craggy dagger]

cinderace is…
something else

[molten oasis]

Primarina is a great calm mind sweeper next to Hearthflame

[molten oasis]

Don’t, don’t use cinderace lol

[craggy dagger]

…

too late

[molten oasis]

Court change things are doable ig

[craggy dagger]

psh court change? what’s that

[molten oasis]

That’s it’s entire gimmick

Otherwise it’s a niche ass fire type

[craggy dagger]

…

https://pokepast.es/69c3e95bd14d6ebd

[dapper crag]

Move: Pyro Ball

Has a 10% chance to burn the target.

Type

Fire

Category

Physical

Power

120

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Defrost

Thaws the user if frozen.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

that’s calced to live a SS after libero change

[molten oasis]

Damn, good signature

[craggy dagger]

also yeah

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t beat Hearthflame

[craggy dagger]

if it’s faster then it can…

almost…

[molten oasis]

No I meant the move

Also ogerpon just better here lol

[craggy dagger]

Owh yeah no the move is nothing compared to pon

hey i was asked by someone to make this team ok-?

i did the best i could with my stupid mad scientist ideas

[molten oasis]

Oh, that’s fine

Like feel free to make niche teams

[craggy dagger]

actually that’s where i got my kinda good suicune spread

[molten oasis]

It’s fun I get it, I just assume you want to have the best options

[craggy dagger]

it can live an ivy cudgel from a tera grass pon

without crit

[molten oasis]

Unless it’s “can I use spidops” then I’m shutting you down

[molten oasis]

It dies from grass pon with a crit

[wispy delta]

Battle ?

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 815: Cinderace

Type

Fire

Abilities

Blaze, Libero (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/116/75/65/75/119

Total

530

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[craggy dagger]

but that’s a crit-

[molten oasis]

It is, so mid lmao

[craggy dagger]

NO I MEAN SUICUNE NOT CINDYY

[molten oasis]

Oh lol

[craggy dagger]

cindy is a glass cannon-

it’s not living anything SE-
i had to calc resisted hits like tera fairy specs moonblast-
(which it lives)

[molten oasis]

I swear the closest thing to a glass cannon in the meta rn is lando i or flutter physically

[craggy dagger]

a tantrum from max atk life orb entei it’ll live with 5% left

[molten oasis]

Otherwise everything had moderate to great bulk

Or shifu

[craggy dagger]

cindy can live a-
banded max atk extreme speed next to a pao-

[molten oasis]

Proof

[craggy dagger]

oh nvm not next to pao

Lives a 252+ Atk Choice Banded Extreme speed from (tera normal or not tera’d) Dragonite: [252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Cinderace: 135-160 (76.7 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]

Lives 252 ss Urshifu with or without rain{once cindy isn’t weak to}: [252+ Atk Urshifu Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Tera Fairy Cinderace on a critical hit: 84-102 (47.7 - 57.9%) -- approx. 91.4% chance to 2HKO]
[252+ Atk Urshifu Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Tera Fairy Cinderace in Rain on a critical hit: 129-153 (73.2 - 86.9%) -- approx. 2HKO]

[molten oasis]

Well, good calcs

[craggy dagger]

i have a full document but like-
i calced so much

[molten oasis]

Monke has a list of my bolt calcs

My bolt is bulky, and he’s perfect

[craggy dagger]

i should make proper calcs

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

Calced to live a 252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Stomping Tantrum from Entei (without Life Orb): [252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Entei Stomping Tantrum vs. 164 HP / 52 Def Cinderace: 136-162 (77.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO]

this was what caught my eye though

[molten oasis]

These are good calcs

They’re relevant

[craggy dagger]

it’s the first team i ever decided to actually calc EVs for-
before i used to just mess with sliders

[molten oasis]

That explains the, the weird ass rillaboom then

[craggy dagger]

also calced to outspeed everything under tw as long as the opposing side doesn’t booster speed tw

or scarf tw

216 spe

[molten oasis]

So it hits 216?

The cinder hits 216?

What is the context

[craggy dagger]

the cindy hits 216 spe under tw

pretty much faster than everything-

[molten oasis]

Hmm

It’s base 119

That’s not possible lmao

That means it’s hitting 108 pre tailwind

Did you mean 306?

Wait

[gentle crag]

Result: 316.000000

[molten oasis]

Yea 316

[wispy delta]

Anyone wanna battle?

or ya scared?

[molten oasis]

A lot of us don’t play singles

[cyan smelt]

#1046572041421197352

[wispy delta]

Double ?

I’m w a double battle I can learn from it

Even tho I’m not the best at those I’m pretty confident

[craggy dagger]

YES 316 ooops

[wispy delta]

That’s the code?

[craggy dagger]

huh?

[wispy delta]

Let’s battle @craggy dagger a double one if you want

[craggy dagger]

it’s 316 speed so it’ll out speed everything

[wispy delta]

Oh what Pokémon

[molten oasis]

You outspeed everything unless tw gets mirrored

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Cool

[craggy dagger]

it can beat likikoal which was surprising to me

[wispy delta]

Anyone ?

Double battle?

[craggy dagger]

sorry i can’t-
im heading to work

[wispy delta]

Ok have a good day

[molten oasis]

That’s good, lilikoal is irritating

[craggy dagger]

plus we get boosted pyro ball

[molten oasis]

Yea, if it’s adamant

[nocturne holly]

I don’t mind lillikoal

I have a decent mu into it

[molten oasis]

I have goggles incin

And wellspring

[nocturne holly]

mhm

[molten oasis]

Not wellspring lol, Hearthflame

Which hearth does a little better in sun cuz sun boosts

[bold geode]

Imagine working

[craggy dagger]

imagine not being paid-

[bold geode]

Bitch I get paid

And then them bills get paid

Then I say fuck bills

Get your money up? Naw bitch
Get your monkey up

[elder python]

anyone wanna help me with a gen 8 team

i’ve never pvped before

[real prairie]

I'd recommend if you are starting off using a team in #rental_teams and seeing how you get on and go from team building from there

[molten oasis]

Uhm, good luck getting a gen 8 team in the rentals

Lots of scrolling lol

Nvm there just aren’t any lmfao

[craggy dagger]

inspirational words

showdown just wiped all my teams-

[gentle drum]

Meowscarada, can I use Adamant for that little bit of extra attack?

[karmic temple]

I like adamant on it

Its base speed is like what 126? Fast as shit

[craggy dagger]

i make mine jolly cause it goes down to a u turn

[gentle drum]

Mhm. I'm asking because I am literally building on because I need the grass line for my Pokedex and aside from a Miraidon touch-trade, it is literally the last thing I need to do so I figured while I'm doing this ...

[molten oasis]

Adamant is good or you do jolly band

[real prairie]

Yeah I was kind of leaning towards not using a gen 8 team for your first try at competitive lol

Niche teams should be played with more experience imo

[molten oasis]

Yea

You need to know what’s in the meta before you use niche stuff

[gentle drum]

Play what you like; win, lose ... have fun.

[real prairie]

Yes but also knowledge is power

[gentle drum]

Though I can understand not wanting to be steamrolled!

[molten oasis]

If you take competitive more seriously then you should be using what’s good

[real prairie]

And everyone likes winning

[karmic temple]

Negative I play to win!! Winning is the only fun I experience

[molten oasis]

Doesnt matter as much if you are just having fun

[molten oasis]

Fair

[real prairie]

I don't use politoed and Ludicolo because it helps me win, that's for sure 🤣

[molten oasis]

If you go to a regional you should be playing meta unless you think you can take something niche

[real prairie]

I don't think I'd have the minerals to go to a regional with a Ludicolo team unless it was restricted and it partnered Kyogre 🤣

[molten oasis]

Just use wellspring

[gentle drum]

Huh, I did the 26 Protein and Zinc and the 4 Clever Feathers but I still have space left over for EVs.

Should I do more feathers?

[molten oasis]

Yea

It’s always like, 2 extra

For some reason

[gentle drum]

So I CAN do more feathers. Bird cat. He will have six feathers in his feathery cat mane.

[molten oasis]

Haha

[molten oasis]

I doubt it’ll even have general use in restricted tbh

There’s just better mons

[real prairie]

It's been a good partner to Kyogre and even featured in some sun teams as a Kyogre counter in the past, it's got lots of use in previous restricted

[gentle drum]

What're we talking about?

[real prairie]

The goat

[gentle drum]

Gogoat?

[molten oasis]

In the past

In gen 7 and before

[gentle drum]

Ah, the dancer.

[molten oasis]

I don’t think it had any play in gen 8

And I doubt that’ll change for gen 9

Especially when you can just run rilla or wellspring

Or torn

[real prairie]

Didn't cope well with dynamax, wasn't a great counter for a Groudon the size of 2 mountains 🤣

Wellspring will get useage over Ludicolo

But that doesn't make Ludi a bad option

[molten oasis]

Id argue so will rilla

Idk I think it could work

[real prairie]

Could see eruption tera fire Groudon sets so solo grass types are in danger

[molten oasis]

Why

[karmic temple]

Depends on what you’re using it for. Ludi falls off pretty hard in this gen to power spikes

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon

Type

Ground

Abilities

Drought

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/140/100/90/90

Total

670

Other Formes

Groudon-Primal

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[gentle drum]

Meowscarada IV Spread? Everything but Sp Atk I am guessing?

[molten oasis]

252 attack 252 speed 4 hp

[gentle drum]

That is EV.

I'm at Hyper training.

[karmic temple]

Correct

[real prairie]

Yeah hyper train everything bar SpAtk

[karmic temple]

You don’t need to max spatk

[molten oasis]

Oh, yea everything but spA

[real prairie]

Also works well with a scarf as it has trick as a move

[molten oasis]

I misread my bad

[gentle drum]

S'cool dude!

[molten oasis]

Not worth

Use wellspring

[karmic temple]

Trick meow

I like band meow 🤭

[real prairie]

Funny against TR setters, trick them they then TR and are locked into TR and also now speed boosted lol

[molten oasis]

If you do meow you do band imo

[gentle drum]

One entry short of my Shiny charm!

[nocturne holly]

I mean band is still good with trick

[elder python]

i don’t think there’s like any gen 8

i can check tho

[gentle drum]

One person, I just need one person to touch trade a Miraidon.

[nocturne holly]

#trading_sv_pokedex

there’s an extra miraidon in game just for that reason

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzwlBgx24I

[timber falcon]

I see smeargle, I click

[craggy dagger]

:<

[nocturne holly]

I see tornadus, I throw phone in trash

[timber falcon]

What’s not to love about the tailwind setter

[nocturne holly]

literally everything

everything

[timber falcon]

But you can run fun sets

Me personally kinda liked u turn torn

Only bad thing about torn is cause it’s hard to stop

But by no means is it worse than frickin prankster whimsicott

[nocturne holly]

Torn is easy

[molten oasis]

It’s also good

Fuck torn I hate torn, but it’s valuable for a reason

[craggy dagger]

whimsy >>>>>>> torn
plus shes cuter than torn

[timber falcon]

the encore on whimicott gives me anxiety though

[craggy dagger]

so shes better-

we're drafting harddddd
https://pokepast.es/b18930238817e363

[mighty stump]

Wellspring needs to be faster

Like I think thats the most required stat

For Lando-I

[craggy dagger]

oh hey tofu-
yeah ill bump up crying kitty's speed but do i lower SpD?

[mighty stump]

Yeah probably, but its a heavy investment

Like 188+ minimum

[craggy dagger]

owh-

[mighty stump]

But the tradeoff is you can actually@move and might not lose mirrors

Cause the mirror is also rlly important

for SD Ogerpon I even ran max speed

[craggy dagger]

its a draft-
tofu-
no one else has-
wellspring in my bracket-

[timber falcon]

wait why are all of them kitties lmao

[craggy dagger]

cause they're kitties-

[timber falcon]

one of them is a dinosaur

[craggy dagger]

thats why its
ancient fire kitty

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e50d4bca038366a1 btw does anyone have thoughts on this iron hands team? i removed bundle for gyarados and he fits in quite well tbh

[craggy dagger]

detect hands and protect shifu

shouldnt it be the other way around

[timber falcon]

hmm actually ill give both protect

[craggy dagger]

that works too xD

[timber falcon]

made it to 1500 elo finally

the struggle is real

[craggy dagger]

dam-
im stuck in 1000 rn cause i keep messing around with teams

[timber falcon]

make new acconts

very helpful

[strange fjord]

alts for goofin with teams. main to actually play seriously

[timber falcon]

Couldn’t have said it better

[true niche]

why bug-tera type for archaludon?

[timber falcon]

Stops both its weaknesses

Sure you could go flying but bug ain’t bad either

[wispy delta]

Anyone wanna singles battle?

[mighty stump]

I genuinely think Archa only has two good Teras and its Fairy/Grass

One way or another you want to retain the Urshifu resist/Grass has the bonus of avoiding Rage Powder/Spore

and retains Watershifu resist

[mighty stump]

Oh

What about the other Ogerpon forms

[sterile ivy]

Would love some input on my team comp. Thank you all in advance 🙂
https://pokepast.es/f5354f719b6c06cf

[real prairie]

tera fighting Urshu? No HP investment in Ogre? whats the point of politoed with no mons that really benefit from rain? if you are wanting a quash/fakeout mon go with sabeleye it gets Prankster, Tornadus over Killo as a rain resetter and a prankster TW setter

[sterile ivy]

Urshifu would benefit from the rain right? Same with Kilowattrel (though no benefit if it gets changed for Tornadus, but I guess the same applies)

[real prairie]

Other than Thunder, Tornadus gets rain benefits,

100% accuracy to bleakwind or hurricane

Urshu does benefit from rain, yes

[sterile ivy]

Roger.
Thank you 🙂 Still trying to wrap my head around team building

[real prairie]

no worries, its a decent build tbf

id mix up the teras a bit too though

grass politoed gives it good defensive tera

also not sure what you'd give up but if you are running perish song id recommend protect as it lets you waste 2 moves as long as Urshu isn't on the field

252hp | 68 Atk | 188 Spe - Is a good Ogerpon spread

[mighty stump]

@sterile ivy Tinkaton isn’t fast enough to make use of Quash. Using something like Encore would be a better potential control tool or having access to Play Rough

Alternatively you can run Thunder Wave if you’re seeming further speed control

If you want electric offensively and to increase variety in your defensive team, Archaludon would be a better pick

Compared to Kilowattrel

At the moment your current offensive coverage is lacking into something like opposing Ogerpon Wellspring

@real prairie the rest of your advice has been alright too

So good job

[real prairie]

thanks @mighty stump , im learning 🤓

[gentle crag]

oneofakindof has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[scarlet otter]

Finally got one

By accident, I was planning to do a new run for it and then I checked the one I had and saw it

[elder python]

what’s the difference of breeding and hyper training

[next stump]

Hyper Training trains your IVs to 31, Breeding is when you use two parent pokemon to create a first stage evolution offspring that has some mix of their IVs

you can Hyper Train any pokemon, even up to level 100

[mighty stump]

But the end result is a same

When does GC registration end?

[elder python]

k thanks

[gentle crag]

boidudeman has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[next stump]

11 hours

[mighty stump]

thank

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[charred saddle]

love this game

[real prairie]

i had a double miss with muddy water and origin pulse on the same turn the other day

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

[timber falcon]

Rng will always screw you over, even if the probability is in your side

[autumn vault]

I once missed 3 t-waves in a row, flinched twice and crit once in 10 turns in random battle (singles)

[molten oasis]

[smoky hawk]

Global challenge sign ups end today

Is this a competition that lets us only play a certain number of games per day?

[real prairie]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Yes

[autumn vault]

yes

[real prairie]

15 a day for 3 days

[autumn vault]

i will play the Global Challenge with an evil team > : )

[mighty stump]

Im bringing Weak Armor Armarouge GL to all my opponents

[real prairie]

im not bothering at all, no motivation or time

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/05b16e6c5d852620 this is the team i will use in the Global Challenge

[real prairie]

id have forced myself to find time as practice for London but i couldnt get in 😭

[autumn vault]

except glimmora is an av set and not a power herb set

[tough idol]

I feel that

[molten oasis]

I hope I don’t see you then

[smoky hawk]

Hope you have meteor beam for all the incins

[real prairie]

If i make a last minute decision to sign up, ill be taking one of these 2 teams:

https://pokepast.es/85c0a1e775a81a25

https://pokepast.es/e82004a703ee3cb8

[timber falcon]

[craggy dagger]

thats fair-

[novel dome]

Can I get an opinion and some input I'm working on 2 different doubles team weather but I've never used weather teams before so input would help and the teams are open to change

https://pokepast.es/89f0f416dad3829f

[timber falcon]

first off

youve got one singular grass type coverage

mb 2

and both struggle with a vest rilla

if ur using blastoise i feel like shell smash is a must else it shouldnt even be in the team

[novel dome]

But she'll smash boosts attack doesn't it speed and attack

Plus I've run that kind of strike before and it has made people hate it before

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 9: Blastoise

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/83/100/85/105/78

Total

530

Other Formes

Blastoise-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[novel dome]

Stoise

[timber falcon]

yeah blastoise looks bad there tbh

its got 1 support move

and its not a good support mon, nor is it dealing meaningful damage

also a good mon to add would be archaludon

oh yeah u got 0 protect and all tera water

[novel dome]

OK question why archaludon he's a steel dragon I'm all for adding one since I've never raised one but I'm going for more a rain team

[dapper crag]

Move: Electro Shot

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Raises the user's Special Attack by 1 stage on the first turn. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move completes in one turn. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, the move still requires a turn to charge.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

130

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

thats its sig move

[novel dome]

Oh OK

Hmm thank you I'm gonna go into reworking the team a bit more now

[timber falcon]

also what gen is this team?

cause i dont think wacan berry is in gen 9

[novel dome]

Current gen is what I'm going for

[timber falcon]

nvm its in the gen

[novel dome]

Yea just looked what would a good item for archaludon be if I may inquire

[timber falcon]

assault vest

[willow vault]

Vest Assault

[timber falcon]

also if im being honest i would not leave ludicolo, blastoise in that team

ogerpon for ludicolo simply the better pokemon

and blastoise doesnt to much

[novel dome]

Ludicolo is up to change but stoise is a favorite lol so he I would like to keep I will be adding shell smash now that I have read through and seen it does boost attack and sp attack

[timber falcon]

ok then as long as shell smash i guess its viable

lastly those tera typed need a massive change and u need an answer to grass types

[novel dome]

I don't use legendary or mythical much only comp I do is a league I go to there rules is how I normally set teams up lol

[timber falcon]

ah ok, legs are very useful for doubles format, im assuming vgc?

[novel dome]

The league rules are normally 1 paradox no legend or mythical items I will work with since the league is mostly singles always so I have leeway with items and tera types I haven't touched yet as I want to get a team down before messing with the types

[timber falcon]

is this something on showdown?

[novel dome]

No they set there own for the current game out and right now there rules are no legend or mythical 1 paradox no items that are choice or life orb and no use of last respects

Would something like frosmoth be OK to put of the rain team or no gives grass coverage ?

[rustic mist]

This is my violet team that i use to 1v1 my friends, can i get a opinion on it? (Its a 1v1 single team btw)
https://pokepast.es/23ef86eecdf3d963

[timber falcon]

im a bit confused, in game set???

[timber falcon]

umm why draining kiss on flutter?

[tough idol]

Moonblast over Draining on Flutter

[rustic mist]

I just like draining kiss more than moonblast on it (ive used both and ive gotten better results with draining kiss)

[timber falcon]

also protect on moon over fang is better, or even dragon dance

[timber falcon]

how the heck does that work

[dapper crag]

Move: Draining Kiss

The user recovers 3/4 the HP lost by the target, rounded half up. If Big Root is held by the user, the HP recovered is 1.3x normal, rounded half down.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[rustic mist]

It just does

[timber falcon]

use moonblast rn please

[rustic mist]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timber falcon]

almost double output

bro ur running 0 bulk mane

use monblast i beg of u

[grizzled bronze]

even with bulk moonblast is way better

[tough idol]

You need to KO not heal and stall turns woth no bulk, plus what Taiki just said

[timber falcon]

also whats the point of discharge and drift on the mirai?

[rustic mist]

Maybe

[rustic mist]

Discharge for paralyze

[dapper crag]

Move: Discharge

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

Invest Phy Defense on Flutter and Make it Fast and hit hard,Like this:
Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 64 HP / 56 Def / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Mystical Fire
• Protect

[timber falcon]

meh there are better options that discharge for para

with mirai u want those fast kills

[tough idol]

Thunder Wave does job, just use another mon, better chance too

[timber falcon]

that flutter still crumbles to most things

[solid frigate]

Electro Drift,Dazzling Gleam,Draco Meteor or Pulse Either Protect or Calm Mind would work

[timber falcon]

ideally at least 200 hp and about 130 def is a physically bulky mane

[solid frigate]

alright

[grizzled bronze]

you dont really need to rely on secondary effects when most of the time you want to ohko them

[tough idol]

Also isn't Hazards a big thing in singles?

[grizzled bronze]

yup

[timber falcon]

very

[tough idol]

Either setting or resisting

[grizzled bronze]

rocks and spikes

[solid frigate]

Rapid Spin Iron Treads

thats all i can think of

[timber falcon]

great tusk seems to do better overall

[rustic mist]

I might not change anything, but i just wanted to see other opinions on it

[solid frigate]

yeah

[novel dome]

https://pokepast.es/32576c2381e0f154
OK some changes made to the team still changes to look into also

[solid frigate]

ok i saw Greninja and i have to ask,Is it Smogon?

[grizzled bronze]

shell bell is bad

[tough idol]

That's fine, but ppl will be brutally honest here lol. No offence intended

[rustic mist]

What is smogon

[solid frigate]

Competive Format for Singles

[tough idol]

Singles or Doub

[grizzled bronze]

why not stamina body press on arch

[timber falcon]

like taiki said shell bell is a bit of a waste, and u kinda want protect

[solid frigate]

USE THE LIVING HELL ON BATTLE BOND GREN IF ITS SMOGON

[rustic mist]

I said the team was for 1v1 with friends

[solid frigate]

IF VGC REMOVE GRENINJA

[rustic mist]

Also its protean

[solid frigate]

Battle Bond.

Use Battle Bond.

[rustic mist]

No i mean he has protean

[timber falcon]

make it the bond if battles

[solid frigate]

now thats a Pickle....

[tough idol]

You'll beat them more with a Comp Singles team

[novel dome]

What should I replace shell bell with then

[rustic mist]

I dont even know how to get it :/

[tough idol]

Am I right to wonder about split damage Pikachu? ATK/SpA 200 each

[solid frigate]

its for SV... Ok thats gonna be a Pickle to deal

[timber falcon]

white herb#

[solid frigate]

Also water Pledge is useless in Singles battle

[grizzled bronze]

splitting damage (if vgc) is just bad imo

[novel dome]

Light orb so I'm running both types of attacks quick attack and fake out meant for finishing or the flinch

[timber falcon]

yeah, hmm doesnt pikachu get extreme speed now?

[tough idol]

Splitting Phys and Special doesn't normally end well

[grizzled bronze]

yeah but you'll get more value using one category

[dapper crag]

Pikachu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Sing, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pikachu.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

also what on earth is Ape's Stats

[timber falcon]

yeah e speed pika

[grizzled bronze]

i feel like special moveset is better cause intimidates

if you really wanna use pika

[timber falcon]

heck u could just run support pika

[solid frigate]

@rustic mist i might need to edit your team

[rustic mist]

I like it

[tough idol]

Does Gastro not function better with Leftovers? I may be wrong

[novel dome]

Not that I have ever seen

[timber falcon]

thats not a good reason to use a move

[solid frigate]

its not gonna value anything,Use Hydro Pump or Surf

[timber falcon]

it does now lmao, idk why

[novel dome]

It could again team is subject to changes here and there items I will look at

[grizzled bronze]

you want to use the optimal moves rather than something you like, it's how competitive is

[rustic mist]

I dont mean it looks good, i meant its good

[timber falcon]

theres much better

[solid frigate]

Surf and Hydro Pump,Trust me i use Greninja in Gen 6-7

[dapper crag]

Move: Water Pledge

If one of the user's allies chose to use Fire Pledge or Grass Pledge this turn and has not moved yet, it takes its turn immediately after the user and the user's move does nothing. If combined with Fire Pledge, the ally uses Water Pledge with 150 power and a rainbow appears on the user's side for 4 turns, which doubles secondary effect chances and stacks with the Serene Grace Ability, except effects that cause flinching can only have their chance doubled once. If combined with Grass Pledge, the ally uses Grass Pledge with 150 power and a swamp appears on the target's side for 4 turns, which quarters the Speed of each Pokemon on that side. When used as a combined move, this move gains STAB no matter what the user's type is. This move does not consume the user's Water Gem, and cannot be redirected by the Storm Drain Ability.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Move: Surf

Damage doubles if the target is using Dive.

Type

Water

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[solid frigate]

its just Scald but no Burn.

[tough idol]

Nope

[grizzled bronze]

yeah surf is better if you dont want to use hydro miss

[novel dome]

How do I get extreme speed cause I don't see it as an egg move or tm

[timber falcon]

but it did in slash learn.....................

[rustic mist]

Ok ill get surf than :/

[dapper crag]

Pikachu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Sing, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pikachu.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[novel dome]

Gen 5 event

[timber falcon]

oh

[tough idol]

If you ain't got that one then no lol

[solid frigate]

@rustic mist also at this point,you have 2 Past Paradox why not use Koraidon

[novel dome]

I do not lol

[grizzled bronze]

nope

[solid frigate]

Koraidon or Groudon

[rustic mist]

Because i like miraidon more

[solid frigate]

that way you can use another item for Flutter

[rustic mist]

I think hes way better for my team

[tough idol]

What was Claytons paste again? Been a wall o text since

[rustic mist]

^

[novel dome]

Either way thank you for the input I'll work a bit more on the team and that most of my team are always set for singles battles so this is a doubles team thank you for the help

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/348a2a8a587d86f0 Here,if you like those Mons you can keep it,cuz i would overhaul the entire team-

[grizzled bronze]

make sure to check out resources in the pins if you wanna know more about comp

[solid frigate]

i did not mess with the Tera Types yet

[timber falcon]

fire fang on moon looks criminal remove

d dance 4 sure

[solid frigate]

i did not edit much out

also again,i will completely make him a new team if i did that

[rustic mist]

You put battle bond on there and i still dont know how to get it cuz nobody told me

[solid frigate]

did you have USUM or SM

[rustic mist]

No

[solid frigate]

then keep the Protean set with Gunk Shot,Hydro Pump,Ice Beam/Extrasensory and Grass Knot or Dark Pulse

[timber falcon]

wha-

why gunk shot

[rustic mist]

Ok 1st off

Greninja is a SPECIAL ATTACKER, i rather keep gunk shot on my annihlape