competitive_discussion

[marble coral]

jk ily

[chrome knot]

i have a framed painting of this

[marble coral]

hi mom

[torn parrot]

that would be really fun

[marble coral]

can you get prog to use goatres next plz and thanks

[chrome knot]

i made a good team that scored 96cp in 1 weekend across 3 people

[cyan smelt]

It's very fun hazing dondozos and mons that use howl

[marble coral]

i have a mss this weekend and no team just saying

[chrome knot]

mmmmm

consult prog about it. I personally dont like leaking it but its a group project

[bold geode]

Might I interest you in Monke?

[torn parrot]

dangggggg, what was the team??

[chrome knot]

cant say ^-^

[marble coral]

you know what i struggle playing? Gouging fire, im not good w it and I dont play too well around it

[chrome knot]

secret sauce thats travelling to 2 regionals lmao

[bold geode]

Oh allow me then

[torn parrot]

thats actually cool af

thats gotta feel good

[bold geode]

Sir I love me some Gouging Fire

[rustic mountain]

gouging mid

[cyan smelt]

I think I need to adjust the EVs on my flutter so that power gem kos ogerpon hearthflame, torn and gouging

[chrome knot]

it feels awesome as a team builder and is rewarding as a player watch it work in 3 locations

[marble coral]

if its the one im thinking of i may already have it but not 100% sure. think one of you sent it over during our last minute prep (dont worry its safe just didnt know if its been updated or not)

[chrome knot]

defo not

we updated it saturday night lmao

and made it even more deadly

[bold geode]

Excuse me sir fuck you

[rustic mountain]

[marble coral]

super proud of you all btw told prog but dont think ive talked to you though to say it

[rustic mountain]

we talked about this

[chrome knot]

youll see it @ orlando

c:

[marble coral]

in day 2 of course

[chrome knot]

fo sho

[marble coral]

i feel kinda lost in reg f tbh

like i took a break and just havent regained my footing w what feels comfortable yet

[chrome knot]

meta is solidifying kinda nicely tbh

[rustic mountain]

prolly one of the most diverse formats weve had, atleast that ive played in

[marble coral]

meta not being moltres breaks my heart and soul

[bold geode]

Honestly I'm a bit lost too

[marble coral]

take me back to when iron crown and psyspam was flooding for a bit

[cyan smelt]

Lando-i seems top tier

[rustic mountain]

i think jus pick strong mons that u feel comfortable w/ and just game

[marble coral]

i think thats really good though

[rustic mountain]

its not inherently bad, more centralized metas do have their benefit tho

[bold geode]

Also I played against the trio of Rapid Strike/Rilla/Incin today (not Wolfe's team)
And they kicked my ass

[knotty mirage]

Is galarian zapdos or articuno viable on this reg ?

[shell sandal]

how bad is a 43-42 record on ultra ball tier, be honest w me 😭

[rustic mountain]

haha i jus jumped onto ladder w/ that team b4, beat rank 91

crit my flutter t1 and i still clutched it

[rustic mountain]

its less about the record and more how u feel ur improving as a player

[cyan smelt]

Hardly anyone uses Stellar tera lol

[shell sandal]

i stomp the meta teams, get dogged by the gimmick teams. Its simple rlly. Idk how im 1420 on showdown but stuck in ultra ball tier, someone explain it to me 😭

[rustic mountain]

if u think ur getting better then theres ur answer, if ur struggling and losing a lot, gta ask wat u can be doing different

[bold geode]

Cuz it's kinda not it except for on a select few things

[shell sandal]

usually i drop like 10-12 in a row in my rage, but that is only to be expected from me lol

[rustic mountain]

yea gta know to stop wen ur tilted

it can b tough but ur better off

usually doesnt end well

[shell sandal]

yh but there is always that 1 moment when im tilted where im so enraged that i read everything perfectly and i feel so good

[rustic mountain]

2 things and most dont even run those anymore

those being pao and urshi single

[rustic mountain]

in the midst of losing 10+ games straight id say the trade off is hardly worth it

[shell sandal]

true that

this game has taken a toll on me tho , ive broken alot

[rustic mountain]

lmao

welcome to vgc

i mean idk bout breaking stuff but it can be frustrating

[shell sandal]

i mean these past 2 matches ive been cooking. Idk i cook all the meta teams but i suck against gimmicks

[cyan smelt]

Gimmicks like what? Weak armour armarouge, smeargle muk?

[shell sandal]

MUK

BRO ISTGOSH MUK IS SO HARD

[cyan smelt]

Use ursa bm

[rustic mountain]

sometimes its better to play safe and scout out wat ur opponent is trynna go for if u dont know wat the mon is doing and what not, otherwise if its the same stuff u gta figure out wat ur doin wrong

dude muk is free points

its very linear

[shell sandal]

i mean ik how to play it now, but before i defo dropped 15-16 games to it

[rustic mountain]

oof

i mean as long as u learned

[shell sandal]

i just taunt the muk, fake out the smeargle

and then go from there

[shell sandal]

i wish I could 😦

[rustic mountain]

y cant u

[shell sandal]

i cant get a 0 iv one i gave up

[rustic mountain]

jus get one who cares about 0iv, most dont even run that

[cyan smelt]

Some people run ursa bm in tailwind

[shell sandal]

there is that and i only use marked aprishinies in battle 😅

[rustic mountain]

so

u jus like dont use urshifu or ogerpon

[shell sandal]

yep

[rustic mountain]

[shell sandal]

had to sub the oger out for a amoongus lol

[chrome knot]

what.

[shell sandal]

yes

[chrome knot]

my entire team is in love balls & shiny except one thats shiny locked

[rustic mountain]

im annoyed they kept the gen 8 legends shiny locked

[chrome knot]

theyre ugly anyways

[shell sandal]

what is the shiny locked

[rustic mountain]

spectrier isnt ugly

plus its about the flex

[shell sandal]

i lowk might have an exception for aprilegends and stuff soon

[chrome knot]

its also terrible

[rustic mountain]

[cyan smelt]

Glastrier is decent though

[chrome knot]

bruh how about get ur skill up before blinging out a team

[shell sandal]

showdown

thats where you get the skill up fr fr

[chrome knot]

❌

limitless tournaments

showdown & ingame ladder suck ass

[rustic mountain]

i dont think its as clear cut

plenty of really good players use sd and ingame ladder as practice

[knotty mirage]

Probably because they want people to actually play the games instead of reseting the games for hundred of times

[bold geode]

I need to get on BO3 ladder some actually before I take team to cart for some Limitless tours

In the odd chance I actually top cut

[rustic mountain]

and also depends wat level ur at and if u wanna do bo3 or bo1. sometimes u need to establish the fundamentals and understanding the meta and interactions before jus jumping into bo3 tours

[shell sandal]

this is why i hate pokemon, these strats ive never seen before so idk how to counter them. Its ruining my wl

[rustic mountain]

wat do the legends restrict in terms of gameplay? they dont affect the story whatsoever. and if ppl wanna do that w/ their time who cares?

[shell sandal]

like there is ZERO reason i should be getting cooked by an okidogi

what in the heck even is this stupid thing

[cyan smelt]

A thing that's quad weak to psychic

[shell sandal]

good thing i have no psychic type pokemon or moves on my team then

archaludon is hard enough to deal w for me, now i got one more thing to focus on

[chrome knot]

bc they come back as events

[rustic mountain]

dude u jus gta learn from the losses and the mons u dont have experience against, and if u keep running into them and ur changing up how u approach it and still lose, gta reconsider team/mon choices

[chrome knot]

= $$$$$ and more players come back for them

[rustic mountain]

yea its jus sad

[shell sandal]

i literally only have 1 team i can play with rn tho

i havent built out my second team. Torkoal needs lvl 64 before eruption, hands cant get BD for me yet either. I need to grind tera raids

[rustic mountain]

i gotcha, jus in general something u gta address going forward

grinding the resources suck but the dlcs made a lot of stuff easier

[shell sandal]

now watch as I dismantle this meta team again and then absolutely get stomped by the next frickin ferzandipiti, quash sableye team

[rustic mountain]

tbf u play less wack stuff the higher u are on ladder

ultra is known for being wacky, jus gta play well enough and have a good enough team/mons to withstand the cheese

[shell sandal]

im a singles player by nature lol, I used to be T500 in singles and its because anti meta is easier to stop in singles since you can literally do wtv there

[marble coral]

arch rain is nice

[shell sandal]

archaludon is impossible for my team to stop without doubling it

or making some protect prediction and doubling the torn

[rustic mountain]

yea they are different in a lot of ways, def a learning curve

i started w/ singles but quickly swapped to vgc

[shell sandal]

yea i would have stuck to singles. Problem is i got a switch for christmas and I just had to find a way to make pokemon interesting

[rustic mountain]

i like doubles a lot more

[chrome knot]

comsider: pelipper

[shell sandal]

i would have been a singles player for life but the smogon tiering makes it so that like... I only play OU. I hate ubers so I need to play vgc

[shell sandal]

pelipper would lose to arch tho

[chrome knot]

oop i thought you had arch

[shell sandal]

nah, i do have a marked arch so i will be using that. Someone is hunting my pelliper for me rn tho

so i will be doing the whole pelliper, amoongus, arch, urshifu thing eventually lol

[rustic mountain]

i was goin for a marked shiny arch but it took awhile jus to get the shiny so i jus settled for that lmao

[strange fjord]

But don'tcha wanna use Drayton Arch?

Got a special Ribbon and everything.

[rustic mountain]

?

[shell sandal]

hmmm I didnt get those pokes yet lol

aight im abt to tilt, that was abt to make me go crazy. I missed 2 gunk shots in a row, misclicked and now im cooked

wow ywk im done.... salamence missed a draco meteor vs a 1hp landorus who j took out my toxicroak. Im transfering this stupid fuck of a pokemon 💀

[cyan smelt]

Why are you using toxicroak

[shell sandal]

toxicroak is elite as an anti meta pick

stomps rilla, ogerpons, flutter mane, urshifu, with tera fire can kill most psychics , pairs well with empoleon. Immune to water type moves which r common, has fake out, bullet punch

put an AV on it and its actually surviving an earth power from a landorus with investment

also did i mention that toxicroak is my favorite pokemon or

[cyan smelt]

Fair if it's your fav then go nuts, I just don't think it's too good against lando and psyspam and ursa bm

[shell sandal]

its crazy good vs bloodmoon lol

because with av hyper voice aint doing shi, plus it gets drain punch

its a damn good utility mon that dishes out heavy damage. If you pair it with chien pao and maybe gouging or something good vs psyspam u should be chillin

[cyan smelt]

What about with the move blood moon

[strange fjord]

earth power gonna hit hard in or out tera tho.

idk your set on toxicroak but

196+ SpA Life Orb Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Toxicroak: 203-242 (106.8 - 127.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

but other than that, toxicroak is a dood that does its thing

Im more of a Munchlax guy tho

[whole ibex]

Has anyone ever gotten this issue when signing up to a regional as a spectator?

[supple ether]

I think google.forms recently started blocking vpns/adblockers

Spyware fr

[supple ether]

Oh old post, pingaling

[whole ibex]

What can he do about it?

[supple ether]

Disable and/or try while logged into an account

[vale mural]

Swsh double team how should I improve it

[mighty stump]

• Move on from Gen 8
• Item and move choices are overall just non-relevant barring Blaziken.
• If this is your first time, I recommend just looking up sets on Pikalytics rather than trying jt on your own

• Corviknight isn’t meant to be a screens setter and its running the wrong ability. Also missing STAB moves
• Close Combat/Flare Blitz are more relevant STABs, and if keeping Blaze Kick, Focus Sash. It’s never Shell Bell
• That Hydreigon is going to be doing absolutely 0 damage
• Rapidash-G is not nearly bulky enough to benefit off of Leftovers.

[molten oasis]

I thought that was bigger

There we go

[mighty stump]

Also what the hell did I miss with some random Toxicroak glazer

[molten oasis]

Idk, I’m on break cuz no motivation

I’m looking at discord every so often but not too much rn

[mighty stump]

Just do other things

[molten oasis]

I have. I’ve been playing other games

[cosmic knot]

Question, I’m just starting scarlet/violet. I wanna hear someone’s opinion on using this team: skeledirge, tinkaton, veluza, baxcalibur, kilowattrel, and arboliva?

[molten oasis]

And homework

Anyway, gonna go play P3R now,

[molten oasis]

Just real quick, Bax and Tink are the only things I’d use here, the others suck

[cosmic knot]

Damn, I heard skeledirge was really good in competitive

[molten oasis]

That was a long time ago

You can look at pikanaytics for ideas on the meta and mons to use. You can also watch YouTubers like Cybertron and WolfeyVGC

[cosmic knot]

I appreciate it

[wheat geode]

Do they suck as in extremely unviable? Or do they suck in the sense that they just don't have ready answers or contributions against pokemon in the meta?

[mighty stump]

Its all about realistic execution and niches

Why use something if theres a better option that encompasses more matchups

Theres also a balance of expectations vs choices

Usually people pick favourites:

• Cause its their favourite and they don’t play much competitive
• They wanna be quirky and different

Or the third option because they like exploring and understanding more

Which is, rare to see

But sometimes you just have to outright accept that it’s not the time to run that choice

Be it execution limits or otherwise

[wheat geode]

I get this! I'm pretty certain I fall into the first category so I'm definitely managing my expectations I currently have a team I want to try and bring into competitive but I've fallen into that hole of really wanting to bring in 4 pokemon and have no idea who to bring in with the last 2

[mighty stump]

You can either have a core or a scaffold, and whatever your last , if your first 4 already has acounted for most of the metagame, your last picks can be as specific as necessary.

[wheat geode]

This is currently what I have mapped out in terms of which Pokemon I want to bring in, without their EVs spread yet:

https://pokepast.es/d71466c3d77357a4

The pokemon i'm not certain about is really Corviknight and Gyarados—I know Gyarados can be really good, but I'm not super certain how to build it. If my understanding is correct, even if it's built for support, it can still hit pretty hard? So I'm not super concerned about that.

I initially wanted Corviknight to have a variance of speed control in case I lose my Trick Room options, but it just kinda feels awkward—I don't want a dedicated TR team if that makes sense haha, I'd like to keep my sweepers as Ursaluna and H. Typhlosion as much as possible

[mighty stump]

• Since you have two picks, your process needs to start from around those two and enabling them
• Typhlosion is far too frail to start setting up with Calm Mind, and those set-up turns actually lose you value from Eruption, as you can assume to be taking chip damage. Without any immediate speed control as well, its unlikely you can get those Eruptions off.
• Sableye only really enables Typhlosion with Sunny Day, and actively creates a detrimental situation for Gyarados, Corviknight and Sinistcha.

• Corviknights single STAB of choice would preferrably be Brave Bird

[wheat geode]

I need to remove Calm Mind for sure; but what I was thinking of t1 would be Light Screen/Protect, and then t2 Sunny Day/Eruption? Would Choice Scarf on Hyphlosion work better?

[mighty stump]

Scarf Hyphlosion is fine, but again, you still lose value on Eruption, and that T1 doesn't work in front of something like an Urshifu

[wheat geode]

Re: the 3rd bullet, is it a problem of Sableye itself or its current moves I selected?

[wheat geode]

Would this be a case of, if I'm safe from Fake Out, I can immediately just go into t1 Sunny Day/Eruption? And if not, I likely shouldn't lead with Sableye/Typhlosion?

[mighty stump]

I assume you know Eruption BP scales off HP right?

[wheat geode]

Yeah, that's another concern I had haha :(

[mighty stump]

So Scarf is natural and is fine for Eruption, my wording might have been confusing

What i'm pointing out is that the turns you are setting up or protecting

are turns youre not clicking Eruption

On CM turns, you lose BP cause you can assume to take chip

on Protect turns, you're not benefitting off your boosts immediately

and in front of Urshifu, potential OHKOs

[mighty stump]

Selected move.

Light Screen/Wisp is also fine, but from experience, it can also lead to awkward board states where Sableye just ends up useless

[wheat geode]

gotcha on this, i'll reevaluate, I assumed Sunny Day would have been the only detriment

[mighty stump]

Imo, i'd just restart from Ground up with Typhlosion and Ursaluna

You only have so many resources to make a team that flows, since you also want to be turn-efficient and actively gain value per turn

There has to be clear direction, since every mon has strengths/weaknesses

And only so many variations as well

[wheat geode]

Oh I get this, I must have been unclear too; is t1 Prankster Sunny Day and Choice Eruption not viable where I'm safe from Fakeout?

[wheat geode]

I'm getting this a little more, I think my problem with this team is not only do I want to use mons I really like that aren't the strongest, but also that I want to try and cover too many things and spread thin

[mighty stump]

• Ursaluna, in this case, can either be Turboluna if you do not want to be a TR team. TR imo is honestly still best.
• If Turboluna, it necessitates having Tailwind, which benefits Typhlosion HIsui.
• You want your speed control to be almost immediate, and if you really want Sunny Day, you might as well be using Tornadus which covers that and more.

Booster-Spe Flutter Mane is also making its rounds and id also be wary about strong Priority options as well.

[wheat geode]

Yeah I hear Tornadus is incredible! Prankster Tailwind and Sunny Day in one Pokemon right?

[mighty stump]

So esssentially that kinda informs 3 of your slots already

Hyphlosion/Ursaluna/Tornadus

If you want priority denial, you can add Farigiraf

Thats 4

Now you have a TW/TR mode overall with anti-priority and weather control

[wheat geode]

Is Turboluna full Speed EV invested?

[wheat geode]

I'll look into this! I'm assuming that Ursaluna's base speed stat is low enough that it can be sufficiently slow enough to work in TR even if Speed invested

[mighty stump]

Yea

and in that regard, since you're sacrificing bulk, id also consider Headlong Rush

[wheat geode]

Gotcha! I'll revamp and figure my last few Pokemon and come back with a new Pokepaste. So just to get things super clear: it's much better to do one or two things really well with a team, rather than try to cover as many bases as possible?

[mighty stump]

More like

You do the one or two things really well > and it should cover as many bases as possible

[wheat geode]

Gotcha! Okay okay, back to the drawing board—super appreciate your patience on this, tysm!

[gentle crag]

daveeee has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[dull ibex]

hello

[mighty stump]

Hello

[dull ibex]

whats up

[charred saddle]

iirc in singles skeledirge is very good, with unaware and its bulk + torch song spam

[mighty stump]

Working on blog

[dull ibex]

Pog

[mighty stump]

Lemme send you waht i worked on check it out

[dull ibex]

👀

[wheat geode]

Is this the snorlax one? Would love to give it a read too!

[mighty stump]

Soon TM, mostly a sprite I worked on

There wasnt an animated Sprite, only static,

So I taught myself how to animate it for the sake of this post

Lol

[wheat geode]

now that's commitment to content quality

[mighty stump]

check it out (original sprite not by me)

[wheat geode]

This looks so good?? Did you do this for multiple pokemon?

[mighty stump]

If an animated sprite of them doesn't exist, I probably will

So im looking at Gouging Fire rn

[tired sage]

[wheat geode]

Noice, I'm looking forward to the full post!

[molten oasis]

I doubt we were talking about singles

[charred saddle]

i mean yeah haha, but at the same time they didnt specify which tho

[molten oasis]

ig

Not that I care a whole ton atm, I’ll help out occasionally but I’m on break

If you play singles, cool, if you play doubles, cool

[tired sage]

skele is okay in vgc…
came across a few and it’s unaware torch song trick room

[real prairie]

it was okay in earlier reg, its power crept now

[molten oasis]

It was good in reg a, okay in reg b, and now it’s just outclassed

It’s niche

[tired sage]

well of course.
but that doesn’t mean it can’t fit its puzzle piece niche well :0

it’s like hands.
still good but outclassed by incin cause of role compression

[molten oasis]

You really need a bulky fire ghost type with unaware on your team?

That’s a very specific niche to fill. Think you probably have to be intentional about it

[tired sage]

mhm that’s for sure

[molten oasis]

Like, build around skeledirge

Hands isn’t as good but at the same time

It’s still a good choice if you feel like you need it

Clear amulet is something I don’t think people are exploring much

[tired sage]

it’s okay…
the util incin provides with intim cycling just….
shit on hands

[molten oasis]

Rn I assume hands are clear amulet cuz that’s the better item for it imo

[tired sage]

i still run the AV set that tofu made

[molten oasis]

At that point you run rillaboom

[tired sage]

156, 100, 252.

[tired sage]

okay but the person didn’t want a rillaboom on the team

[molten oasis]

Then run bolt

[tired sage]

i’ll run eviolite thwackey

[molten oasis]

Lol anyway

I think bolt also kinda hurt hands

[mighty stump]

I think Dirge has some potential but it's just difficult to run cause of the typing

[molten oasis]

Bolt good lol

Top 5 mons this gen imo

[mighty stump]

Set-up is great value atm, and ignoring set-up is very huge

[molten oasis]

(That aren’t restricted)

[charred saddle]

lando I is still everywhere

hurts skeledirge so bad, and flutter too

[molten oasis]

Incin, chi yu, pao, ting Lu

[tired sage]

also just black glasses gambit

[charred saddle]

you can always tera but id think itll be a tera hog

[molten oasis]

Well technically it beats pao

Wouldn’t like gambit tho lol

Single strike, rapid strike

[cyan smelt]

Urshifu

[charred saddle]

yeah both shifu

[cyan smelt]

Dozo

[molten oasis]

Oh well

[molten oasis]

Actually

It was a dozo counter in reg a

I think

[cyan smelt]

I used it

[molten oasis]

Cuz of unaware

[cyan smelt]

Only clodsire and dirge got unaware in reg a along with dozo

[molten oasis]

Mhmm

Meow was also an answer, sort of

It forced it to preserve Tera

And Yk, murkrow lmao

We live in a world where murkrow was hard meta

[cyan smelt]

Damn all the gen 9 starters fell off

[molten oasis]

Unfort

Very few things stayed relevant from reg a

[cyan smelt]

Only incin and rilla are viable starters

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo, Kingambit, Farigiraf, Annihilape

[tired sage]

oh yeah

[cyan smelt]

Dozo

[molten oasis]

They’re meta

Meow and Skele are still viable

Banded meow with triple axel is funny

[mighty stump]

Remember kids

Viable vs Good is different meanings

A unicycle is a viable method of transportation, but not a good one

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Man I love taking my unicycle to work

Also for viable starters, you got

Serperior is decent, Hisui Samu is okay, Hisui Ty can eruption stuff

[real prairie]

Ty can also erupt 😉

[cyan smelt]

All I see is high power stuff like incin, lando, chien Pao, flutter

[molten oasis]

Skele is a decent bulky tr mon, meow is a decent fast attacker, Quaqua is like, fine, ig

[molten oasis]

Cuz that’s what’s good, and the best tools to win

[real prairie]

is it Solar power Czard ive seen before aswell?

[molten oasis]

It’s okay

It’s a niche sun Mon but it’s better to run chi yu or even wake with flamethrower

[cyan smelt]

I'm thinking about trying bo3 ladder again because I don't want to see muk smeargle and dozo

[mighty stump]

Technically Zard behind Chi-Yu is probably one of your harder hitters

[molten oasis]

Oh yea true

Sun+solar power+beads+stab

[mighty stump]

No beads

[molten oasis]

Lots of multipliers

[mighty stump]

Zard as in second place

To Chi-Yu

Cause it gets Blast Burn

[molten oasis]

OH I see

[mighty stump]

and BP numbers go wild

[dapper crag]

Move: Blast Burn

If this move is successful, the user must recharge on the following turn and cannot select a move.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

150

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Recharge

Has a recharge turn.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Ow lmao

[mighty stump]

150 BP is huge if you really wanna nuke something

[real prairie]

Can you swap out on a recharge?

[molten oasis]

Didn’t p-z run hyper beam?

[mighty stump]

252 SpA Life Orb Solar Power Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chi-Yu in Sun: 140-166 (107.6 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[mighty stump]

No

[molten oasis]

lmao

[real prairie]

didn't think so

[molten oasis]

Explosion button go

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[tired sage]

just-
explosion regieleki

[molten oasis]

But like, eleki mid

Booster flutter took it out of a job

[real prairie]

blast burn then lower your own zards stats to trigger eject 🤣

[tired sage]

it’s still faster than most-

[molten oasis]

Yea, then you see a booster speed Mon and cry

[tired sage]

okay that’s fair

[molten oasis]

Mostly flutter bundle loses to it

Also torn just tw+something to explode it

[tired sage]

just prankster tailwind

[molten oasis]

Or Fari tr and oh no I’m slow

[tired sage]

tera ghost prankster tw tera normal choice band explosion

[molten oasis]

Or if you know it’s explosion, protect

[tired sage]

it works well into psyspam cause it’s always:
follow me tr

[molten oasis]

Arma psyspam cringe, crown psyspam is just cooler

[tired sage]

hat psyspam is something else…

[molten oasis]

I haven’t seen hat much

Again, crown is like, the premier psyspam Mon rn

Until what I’m guessing will be one of if not the best restricteds come around

[mighty stump]

Calyrex-Shadow Rider go brr "oh no wide guard"

[molten oasis]

Wide guard spikes in popularity lmao

[tired sage]

crown isn’t a restricted mon, but crown is def #1 psyspammer

[tired sage]

mienshao spikes in popularity :0

[molten oasis]

Caly will take its place, I think

[tired sage]

WAIT CALY GETS EFORCE-

[molten oasis]

I think caly will prob be the best restricted tbh

[mighty stump]

Yea

Lol

[tired sage]

oh dear god-

[molten oasis]

For some fucking reason yea

[mighty stump]

Dw

[tired sage]

0-0

[mighty stump]

Im gonna run Gouging Fire x Solgaleo

[molten oasis]

LMAO

[mighty stump]

The better Metagross

[molten oasis]

See tofu is cool and won’t run caly (initially)

Everyone has to run caly eventually

[tired sage]

i wanna try lunala…
but it’s crippling depression weakness to gambit pao

[mighty stump]

Rayquaza and Solgaleo is my first choice

Lol

[molten oasis]

Ray with pao looks interesting

No inner focus kinda blows tho

[tired sage]

support ray though…
breaking swipe

[molten oasis]

But also anti weather

[cyan smelt]

Joke choice miraidon alolan raichu

[tired sage]

uh-
that’s mega

[molten oasis]

Real choose miraidon SASH IRON BUNDLE BAYBEEE

[molten oasis]

No it gets air lock

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Air Lock

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/150/90/150/90/95

Total

680

Other Formes

Rayquaza-Mega

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

wait yeah i’m an idiot

for some reason i thought it was pressure…

[cyan smelt]

Ray just better than terapagos

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for bolt to be out of a job cuz of miraidon

[mighty stump]

Real people choose Koraidon

Oh

[tired sage]

:0
another special attacker

[mighty stump]

Actually

You're right

Im running Terapagos

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[mighty stump]

You all smell camelfeet

[molten oasis]

No draw back at all spread move is kinda insane

[tired sage]

pagos’ star storm is crazy though

[molten oasis]

Literally 0 drawback

[tired sage]

too bad it’s ability is garbage

[molten oasis]

But it’s better air lock

[cyan smelt]

Haze stonks about to go up because it'll want to calm mind first

[tired sage]

it’s air lock and no terrain

but once per battle.

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Stellar

Type

Normal

Abilities

Teraform Zero

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

160/105/110/130/110/85

Total

700

Base Species

Terapagos

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Ability: Teraform Zero

Terapagos: Terastallizing ends the effects of weather and terrain. Once per battle.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

oh it’s one time

[tired sage]

so you can just easily reset

[molten oasis]

Nvm lmao

[tired sage]

yeah

[mighty stump]

You learn something new every day

[molten oasis]

True

[tired sage]

but wtf are those base stats-
160 110 110

[molten oasis]

As much as people hate this guy, I’m running sword doggo

[cyan smelt]

Manual weather/terrain setters

[molten oasis]

I love the dog what can I say

[tired sage]

hearthflame is the new zacian :0

[mighty stump]

Prankster here has value since it's Tera > before anything

[tired sage]

zacian’s ability is also once per battle now

[mighty stump]

Oh boy

[molten oasis]

Shut up let me cope

[mighty stump]

cant wait to run Zacian + Ogerpoin

At the same time

[dapper crag]

Ability: Intrepid Sword

On switch-in, this Pokemon's Attack is raised by 1 stage. Once per battle.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

OGERPOIN

oh, wait

[cyan smelt]

Can't wait to run zacian + chien pao

[molten oasis]

Wellspring+Zac sounds kinda Fire

Wellspring covers Zac’s weaknesses

And redirect

[tired sage]

hearthflame groudon combo though-

[molten oasis]

Nah

[tired sage]

teal kyogre :0

[molten oasis]

Hearthflame Koraidon is literally just better

[tired sage]

not with flutter

[molten oasis]

Groudon out of a job now that we have koraidon

[tired sage]

korai just sets sun and says bai

[real prairie]

Failing any major changes, this is what ill probably be bringing to restricted https://pokebin.com/aeb4149833e205e1

[molten oasis]

Flutter? Flutters dead

[tired sage]

booster speed specs flutter is gonna make a comeback

[molten oasis]

Caly literally ruins its life

[mighty stump]

I mean

[tired sage]

no but like if you’re running korai/hearthflame

[cyan smelt]

Zacian out speeds flutter too, it's forced to run booster speed

[mighty stump]

Caly + Indeedee-F is like

[molten oasis]

Well it’s not GONE

[mighty stump]

Already kinda free

[molten oasis]

but it’ll drop a little

Yea true

[tired sage]

glacial lance caly though…

[molten oasis]

I wonder how we’ll learn to handle caly chi yu

(We won’t it’s too strong)

Or like, torn+kyogre maybe

[real prairie]

think there might be a lot of benefit in open teamsheets running a disable mon

[tired sage]

AV max SpDef blood moon blood moon ursa :0

[real prairie]

going to be lots of choice item usage i think

[tired sage]

yes i said blood moon twice

[molten oasis]

Prob still explodes

Zac also forces flutter to do booster speed

I don’t think flutter ever lives behemoth blade without a defensive Tera since (at first) it can eat an intim

[cyan smelt]

Dialga origin is pretty tanky

[real prairie]

Helping hand Scarf Kyogre is also fun 😅

[molten oasis]

Oh shit yea the origin forms

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia-Origin

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/100/100/150/120/120

Total

680

Base Species

Palkia

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga-Origin

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/100/120/150/120/90

Total

680

Base Species

Dialga

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

those hidden abilities suck

Those abilities in general suck wtf

[tired sage]

yep

[cyan smelt]

Yeah a lot of legendaries have pressure for some reason

[real prairie]

they really didn't need any more buffing lol

[tired sage]

abilities don’t change

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 484: Palkia

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/120/100/150/120/100

Total

680

Other Formes

Palkia-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

bruh

Better stat spreads

So the origin forms are probably just better

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 483: Dialga

Types

Steel/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/120/120/150/100/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Dialga-Origin

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Yea they’re just better lmao

There’s like, very little reason to use the original forms

[real prairie]

do the orign forms still get benefits from their exclusive items?

[molten oasis]

If giratina does I’d assume they do as well

[dapper crag]

Item: Adamant Orb

If held by a Dialga, its Steel- and Dragon-type attacks have 1.2x power.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

yeah they do

[dapper crag]

Item: Adamant Crystal

If held by a Dialga, its Steel- and Dragon-type attacks have 1.2x power.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

???

[tired sage]

it’s the same but one changes form and one doesn’t

[molten oasis]

Oh, you need the crystal

[tired sage]

that’s literally it

mhm.
it’s crystal and globe that change form

[molten oasis]

So, ig there is a reason to run base

having a different item

[tired sage]

it’s basically ogerpon

[molten oasis]

What other restricted are there

[tired sage]

masks for forms, teal gets to hold whatever she wants

[molten oasis]

Uhm

There’s the Tao trio

[tired sage]

oh-
they exist right-

[molten oasis]

Is that what they’re called? (Resh Zekrom Kyurem)

I think kyurem white is solid on snow

[tired sage]

yeah tao trio

[real prairie]

How do their fusions work? lol

[molten oasis]

Yea so those guys, I don’t think they do anything significant

[tired sage]

like caly or the cycle trio (wtf are the gen 7 trio called)
there’s a fusion item in key items

[molten oasis]

Xerneas isn’t in the game

https://tenor.com/view/ted-dibiase-million-dollar-man-evil-laugh-laughing-laugh-gif-25270774

[tired sage]

it’s called the data splicer or smth

[molten oasis]

Xerneas is cringe

[tired sage]

honestly, feels good not to have a power herb geomancy fairy aura dazzling gleam/moonblast

[molten oasis]

No bacon birb but also, fuck xerneas

[molten oasis]

Yes we already have Tera fsiry fluttermane

[tired sage]

okay but flutter doesn’t get that stupid +2 Spdef

[molten oasis]

True

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 716: Xerneas

Type

Fairy

Abilities

Fairy Aura

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

126/131/95/131/98/99

Total

680

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Yea, hell no lmao

[tired sage]

okay wait-
why is its stats lower than i remember

[molten oasis]

I’ll pass

[molten oasis]

Consider the following it’s still at +2 in those stats

[real prairie]

dont celebrate too soon, might be transferable from home for restricted 😢

[tired sage]

nothing a scarfed poison jab single strike can’t handle
nvm that hp stat

[molten oasis]

Oh yk, gholdengo prob falls off in restricted

[molten oasis]

shut up

Although, tapus

[tired sage]

the guardian quartet also isn’t in the game

[tired sage]

same thoughts

[molten oasis]

Tapu fini would have fit right in

[tired sage]

does misty terrain boost fairy damage…

[knotty mirage]

Well in swsh there nothing likes that

[molten oasis]

Yea

[tired sage]

fini tera fairy flutter oh god-

[molten oasis]

Yk what that means, TERA FAIRY FLUTTER+TAPU FINI

[knotty mirage]

So it probably just copium at this point even tho i do really want tapus to be in the games

[molten oasis]

Probably

[tired sage]

i’m gonna quit vgc for good if that happens…

[molten oasis]

But if we get tapus we get xern, so I’m ok with no tapus

I generally hope we don’t see paradox next gen

I hate fluttermane, so much

[tired sage]

my girl flutter is overrated at this point.
she was cute and now she’s too popular

[real prairie]

Terapagos suddenly has a lot more usage if the Tapus are around

[molten oasis]

It’s 1 time so not necessarily

[real prairie]

ah true

[tired sage]

i don’t think so…
it’s one use so you can just swap it back in and out

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough if xern is added on SV the restricted reg gonna be really chaotic

[molten oasis]

I think single strike is an answer to chi+caly now that I think about it

[molten oasis]

No see here’s the thing

Restricted will be xern chi yu and caly

[knotty mirage]

Fluttermane terra fairy dazzling gleam everywhere

[molten oasis]

Just, only that

And I’ll have dipped out of competitive by then

Cuz hell no

[tired sage]

same

[molten oasis]

I like reg f, cuz it’s flexible and I’m not forced to run the exact same shit everyone else is running

To win

[knotty mirage]

Just wondering then is the switch pokemon games that tapus can be in is only swsh at the moment ?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[knotty mirage]

Ah damn

[tired sage]

oh god…
wait wait…
if the aura trio is added, surely the guardian quartet will..
then you’ll see…
fini + Power herb geomancy tera fairy dazzling gleam xern + chi yu….

[molten oasis]

Is zygarde also not in the game?

[tired sage]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Noted, didn’t think about it

[tired sage]

no it’s what if the aura trio gets added

[knotty mirage]

Probably for the best all of those thing is not on SV

[tired sage]

but like-
xern destroys both sides anyways

[molten oasis]

Aura trio kills restricted for me

[tired sage]

at least my baby chi yu will see some usage

[molten oasis]

Like I’m not playing that format I’d rather play reg a again (reg a sucked)

[real prairie]

Wide guard will be huge

[knotty mirage]

Well if you already experience hellscape that is swsh restricted format fair enough

[molten oasis]

I did

For a week, hated it

Oh miraidon will probably be a menace

[tired sage]

i present….
aqua step dancercorio

[molten oasis]

No dozo with literally 1 consistent counter

[real prairie]

does flail break wide guard?

[knotty mirage]

But yeah if they added xerneas it pretty much just gonna makes SV box legend almost unviable

[real prairie]

id imagine not

[tired sage]

does flail break protects-?

[dapper crag]

Move: Flail

The power of this move is 20 if X is 33 to 48, 40 if X is 17 to 32, 80 if X is 10 to 16, 100 if X is 5 to 9, 150 if X is 2 to 4, and 200 if X is 0 or 1, where X is equal to (user's current HP * 48 / user's maximum HP), rounded down.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

No it doesn’t do wide guard or protect

[charred saddle]

if xern does exist, imagine flutter.

[real prairie]

wait which move am i thinking of that breaks protecT?

[tired sage]

leo we talked about this

[charred saddle]

specs flutter? then you add up another LO

[molten oasis]

Flutter out of a job

[tired sage]

get here faster

[molten oasis]

Xern just better

[charred saddle]

why not just use both

[molten oasis]

But like, chi yu xern is better

[tired sage]

what have 3/4 of your team as fairy types?

[molten oasis]

Which we will unfortunately have to deal with someday

[knotty mirage]

I wonder if that happen will heatran usage rise

[real prairie]

Feint

[molten oasis]

Xern doesn’t care

It just 2hko’s it

[real prairie]

does feint break wideguard*?

[molten oasis]

Zacian would be a better answer to it

[tired sage]

yes

[dapper crag]

Move: Feint

If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.

Type

Normal

Category

Physical

Power

30

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Priority

2

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Also hear me out, follow me pon+swords dance Zac

[knotty mirage]

The fire one ?

[molten oasis]

Nice intimidate loser

[charred saddle]

with zacian in, chiyu might see some increase in usage

[molten oasis]

The water one

[charred saddle]

heatwave stuff

[molten oasis]

Homie

Chi Yu calyrex

[charred saddle]

[molten oasis]

Chi yu miraidon

[charred saddle]

astral barrage brrr

scarfed koraidon + specs speed booster Mane goes brrr

[knotty mirage]

So in restricted it probably better to focus on special defence bulk then

[molten oasis]

We’ll see it’s just speculation (that I’m probably spot on about)

[tired sage]

shadow psyspam leo-

[molten oasis]

[tired sage]

that’s an easy +2 if you’re not careful

[molten oasis]

right, it has basically moxie

[charred saddle]

restricteds are dumb and im not looking forward to it tbh

[molten oasis]

Who’s fucking idea was that

[knotty mirage]

Wait calyrex got expanding force ?

[molten oasis]

yes…

[charred saddle]

oh both caly weak to dark?

teras

not anymore

goodluck on playing tera mindgames now

[molten oasis]

But also

[tired sage]

i’m waiting to use ice caly…

[charred saddle]

and getting bopped

[molten oasis]

Just play better

[knotty mirage]

Oh damn i always see it just spam astral barage on casual never know that

[tired sage]

i’m gonna-
stop vgc if i see shadow in a regionals as #1…

[molten oasis]

There will be counterplay, eventually

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/station-19-andy-herrera-youre-in-for-a-rude-awakening-rude-awakening-youre-in-for-it-gif-2180966298838762019

[tired sage]

oh sucker punch the caly cause it’s 4x weak to dark-
WELL NOT ANYMORE

[molten oasis]

I’m betting it’ll be #1

It’s, insane

[charred saddle]

oh weak to sucker punch? haha fari

[molten oasis]

Defensive Tera will be for caly, lots of Tera dark

[knotty mirage]

Well for pokemon that get into anything goes tier not surprising

[tired sage]

time to start planning things

[knotty mirage]

Especially with terra existence and dark aura gone

[molten oasis]

Yea, zacian+wellspring

Lemme cook

[tired sage]

i can see a tera fairy shadow for sucker resist..

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 800: Necrozma-Dawn-Wings

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

Prism Armor

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

97/113/109/157/127/77

Total

680

Base Species

Necrozma

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[knotty mirage]

I thought it's gonna be fighting or fairy

[molten oasis]

You’d want to resist ghost against caly

[tired sage]

no no to counter shadow

[molten oasis]

So normal or dark

(Probably dark)

[knotty mirage]

Ah right your openent shadow

[molten oasis]

Until they run Tera blast and we all cry

[tired sage]

normal absolutely not-
watch it get shredded by expanding force

[knotty mirage]

Expecting some people to go normal then

[dapper crag]

Ability: Prism Armor

This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from supereffective attacks.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

so filter-

[dapper crag]

Ability: Filter

This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from supereffective attacks.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Interesting

[tired sage]

what’s the ghost berry called-

[mighty stump]

Boo Berry

[mighty stump]

Idk why

I feel offended

[real prairie]

🤣

[knotty mirage]

When calyrex is allowed just expect sitrus berry to be unviable i guess

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0a480e5575948ede I’m cooking

(This is a joke I slapped it together)

Oh wait can’t forget about

https://pokepast.es/c70efee57257867b

[tired sage]

swords dance useless just howl fire and protec zacian

[molten oasis]

Incin is a legal requirement

[molten oasis]

Kingambits run swords dance with howl gouging fire why can’t zacian

[real prairie]

Groudon and Kyogre not getting weather ball feels insulting

[tired sage]

cause unlike zacian, gambit doesn’t protect swords dance
ignore my stupidity

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[gentle crag]

Result: 223.500000

[solid frigate]

eh they have a Spread Move that has 100+ Base Power with 90% Accuracy

[molten oasis]

Wow, 1 point faster than timid caly

[solid frigate]

and Water Spout Kyogre is just the thats a Lot of Damage meme

[tired sage]

i realized i was being stupid cause my gambit set runs protect swords dance

[real prairie]

yeah my issue is the lack of single targetting move they have

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

wide guard pretty much shits on them both

[molten oasis]

🫵

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 888: Zacian-Crowned

Types

Fairy/Steel

Abilities

Intrepid Sword

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

92/150/115/80/115/148

Total

700

Base Species

Zacian

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[tired sage]

150 ATTACK WTF IS THIS

[molten oasis]

And what of notable use gets wide guard

[solid frigate]

that does not very matter cuz they would always Ran Water Spout and Precipice Blades

[molten oasis]

That isn’t pelipper

Name a different one

[solid frigate]

Palafin Hero Forme:160.

[molten oasis]

It used to have 170 I believe

[tired sage]

that’s hero form you have to switch-
i’m talking about right off the bat

[solid frigate]

mhm in SWSH-

[molten oasis]

Fucking, broken

[real prairie]

Zamazenta, Solgalero, Lunala and a few more

[tired sage]

my faith in humanity has been broken

[molten oasis]

So you’re gonna waste your restricted slot on zama?

[tired sage]

mienshao

[solid frigate]

yeah i can't wait restricted Format on SV VGC is gonna spam Zacian-

[molten oasis]

Why run Lunala we got caly shadow

[solid frigate]

but screw this imma make a Terapagos Team for no reason

[molten oasis]

Solgaleo is kinda eh

[tired sage]

nope-
zacian’s ability got nerfed to once per battle

[molten oasis]

I think, from what I’ve heard

[molten oasis]

Sorry

Spam caly shadow

[solid frigate]

yeah ik.

[molten oasis]

Caly shadow is going to be the #1 Mon

Imo

[solid frigate]

Even more Nightmares on that when i tried to play Restricted Format in Gen 8-

[molten oasis]

It has so much going for it

[real prairie]

Tera normal here i come 🤣

[molten oasis]

dark

[solid frigate]

how tf did they not nerf Calyrex Shadow-

did they even nerf it?

[molten oasis]

zacian

Zacian just didn’t care

[tired sage]

solgaleo isn’t too bad…
weakness policy autonomize dusk mane though-

[molten oasis]

Zacian kinda, yea they focused Zac more

[tired sage]

surely they keep it to 1 restricted

[molten oasis]

Cuz Zac was a menace

[tired sage]

instead of 2

[solid frigate]

[molten oasis]

It’s usually one than two

[molten oasis]

Ok eat expanding force

[solid frigate]

Zacian-Calyrex Shadow Team moment-

[tired sage]

NO

[solid frigate]

meanwhile me with my Terapagos:I am screwed-

[molten oasis]

What does caly do for zacian lets be honest

oh wait, Zac kills fairies fuck

[real prairie]

hopefully you have already killed it by the time it goes for a 2nd move lol

[tired sage]

shadow pao though…
oh they defensive tera? sacred sword

[solid frigate]

honestly,just more Toxictity-

[molten oasis]

It has good bulk

It’s 100/80/100 so like, it’s not getting 1 shot very easily

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[real prairie]

its going to be a minefield

[molten oasis]

Yea, good luck lmao

[tired sage]

it’s the 4x weakness that makes it seem like it’s really frail

[real prairie]

thank god there is no mechanic in the game this year that it can use to completely negate that quickly to sweep your team 🙃

[molten oasis]

NOT ANYMORE

[solid frigate]

Kingambit Supreme Overlord Sucker Punch go Brrrr

but still

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for chi yu to ruin its life in the process

[tired sage]

[solid frigate]

yeah,basically

[molten oasis]

I think wellspring will have, something at least

That spD boost should (hopefully) help

[solid frigate]

lemme go check

[molten oasis]

Wellspring gambit could be interesting

252 SpA Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 123-145 (65.7 - 77.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO no boost

252 SpA Life Orb Beads of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 160-188 (85.5 - 100.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO lorb

[solid frigate]

Yeah-

Not even the Boost can safely tank it-

[molten oasis]

252 SpA Beads of Ruin Tera-Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Ogerpon-Wellspring: 164-194 (87.7 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO no boost Tera ghost

[mighty stump]

Calyrex-Shadow appears:

Ting-Lu:

If you Tera Ghost Calyrex you're trolling

Genuinely

[molten oasis]

You’re throwing ik, but it’ll happen

[mighty stump]

Incineroar just wins the game

Lol

[molten oasis]

Incineroar stonks

In general. Wait incin great into caly+chi yu lmao

Ting Lu too

252 SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera-Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. +1 252 HP / 28 SpD Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring: 164-194 (87.7 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO if you really needed all this lmao

Not even modest, fuck it

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera-Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Rider Astral Barrage vs. +1 252 HP / 28 SpD Tera-Water Ogerpon-Wellspring: 180-212 (96.2 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO evil

[real prairie]

i think i might have to bring sabeleye out of retirement

Prankster - Disable

[molten oasis]

wellspring will probably be solid into it

Wellspring ain’t going anywhere lmao

Zacian+ogerpon also sounds solid into miraidon

Cuz like, Zac play rough into Mirai

until it misses then you cry

[real prairie]

Lando for Mira is easy enough no?

[tired sage]

which one

[real prairie]

Lando-I

Lando-T is dead in the water really

to the point Wolfe made a video on it lol

[tired sage]

i’m gonna wait for lando T to resurge as restricted happens

[molten oasis]

No

Incin just takes its job lol

[tired sage]

actually wait no-
the reason why lando I is so popular is cause of sandsear right?

[molten oasis]

Lando t gets is at its best when incin isn’t around

Incin hurt it

[tired sage]

mm that fair

[molten oasis]

Lando I is good into incin

[tired sage]

role compression is just too good to pass up

[molten oasis]

Oh yk

Zac wellspring rilla incin single strike bolt, boom

Team built

[tired sage]

3 mons that would get destroyed by lando I

nice :0

sorry i meant 4

5-
i can’t math today

[molten oasis]

https://pokebin.com/6bbfe1790a1f47c5 lemme cook

[molten oasis]

Average team nowadays be like

I also have wellspring

this is a joke idk how well this would even remotely perform tbf

I should prob go get sleep now, bye

[tired sage]

the reason why i said 5 is cause lando i runs sludge bomb-

[autumn vault]

What is a good Roaring Moon set? I am using tera flying acrobatics Roaring Moon (shiny sleepy one) and i am kind of lost with the evs and moves (obviously acrobatics and tailwind)

Never used R-Moon before

[real prairie]

throat chop is good, dark stab and stops hypervoice + throat spray boosts

[autumn vault]

And knock off?

[real prairie]

maybe protect

but knock off can also work if you want to go aggressive

dont know the best spreads for RM though, sorry

[autumn vault]

Dont worry

Throat spray is only used on Blood Moon and fari

So i think knock off

[real prairie]

yeah, knock off works well too

[gentle crag]

setsumizi (ID 224303371564220418)

Name: Perfect NightFormat: VGC Reg E

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Paste: https://pokepast.es/c33d8c64562ce640

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Code: DNXYNB

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Some friends helped me build a team core after bein down in the dumps looking for stuff to use and they recommended i tried roaring moon and holy shit im glad I did, in 1 sitting i went from Great ball 6 to Master ball tier.

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Roaring Moon: Main speed control for the team who i only really brought out for games where speed of the game was pressured by the teamsheets, I opted in for booster energy +Atk > +Spe as its a sneaky way to take huge chip in breaking swipe with the bonus attack drop on opponents or even find KOs with knock off due to high power attacks tera poison is for the obvious avoiding the 4x weakness to fairy and all the other crazy weaknesses moon has to give it more defensive options and a lot more staying power on the field.

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Chien Pao: The typical Max Atk & Max Spe set with the usage of lash out over sacred sword for the niche double damage tech after stat drops, posing as bigger threat for intimidate users and speed drops from bleakwind storms, sucker punches kill poorly built flutters that full invest into SpA & Spe

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Urshifu-Rapid Strike: Another Max Atk & Max Spe user to ensure outspeeds on opposing mirror set urshifus that opt for more bulk over speed, tera water for maximum damage output for surging strikes that basically walks through everything at will, also gets rid of its fighting type weaknesses

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Flutter Mane: Invested more towards bulk that can survive a few neutral hits that it would otherwise fold in half to while maintaining investments into speed to still be considered higher up on the speed tiers chart to pair nicely with roaring moon, tera fairy and life orb to try and squeeze out as much damage as possible whilst maintaining the versatility of spread damage, single target moves like moonblast & shadow ball as well as having protect turns

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Arcanine-Hisui: Personally my favourite intimidate user after having so much trouble trying to pilot landorus, I opted into using the Fairy Blast set over the normal espeed + headsmash or any of the support type sets as it serves as a comfortable second check to fighting & dark types, i have a more mixed spread to provide a tiny bit of bulk while still serving as an extremely heavy hitter & decently placed on speed tiers

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Iron Hands: Quite possibly the most boring pokemon in the game i hate that its prominent in the meta game with no real sign of slowing down, its the most standard set with no real surprises in its EV spread, made to be bulky but hit like a truck

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Command triggered by setsumizi. Message from · Dec 8, 2023, 9:06 PM

[chrome knot]

example of a roaring moon set that worked rly well

[autumn vault]

I am using acrobatics + tailwind + tera flying so i dont know how useful it is for a different roaring moon but it seems promising

Anyways knock off tailwind acrobatics protect ra flying booster energy and that stat spread

Or breaking swipe for knock off

I have now max speed jolly with 184 attack

Speed is 1 point higher than attack (at level 74) EDIT: i didnt hyper train its stats before

[mighty stump]

Stick to either level 100 or level 50, but discussion should just be using EVs most of the time.

Avoids confusion.

[autumn vault]

I see

[timber dome]

what do you think https://pokepast.es/d4952c606e84777f

[next stump]

one week away from learning the worlds date thank god

[mighty stump]

lol

[autumn vault]

https://pokepast.es/3be30ef973704170 how is this dongiri team?

its my first dongiri team so ik for a fact there are some issues

also ghold is timid

[tired sage]

is that booster attack or booster speed?

[autumn vault]

booster speed

[timber falcon]

is speed on dozo common? i normllay just go for bulk

[autumn vault]

yes it is

[tired sage]

i don’t know about max speed but-
it’s nice to have some speed EVs

[timber falcon]

also why chilling water over pulse

[autumn vault]

why would i run water pulse?

[timber falcon]

dragon pulse

[autumn vault]

oh right

[next stump]

• 200ATK is not a valid EV number, but that doesn't really matter because all of the other stats work. 196ATK is the same thing as 200ATK without wasting extra resources

• 0 bulk Ghold can be very very risky, there's a lot of hits you explode to in the format

• Fairy tera Dozo is cool for Dark Urshifu but kinda meh into anything else, including Water Urshifu where you're kinda screwing yourself over. I haven't ever seen it but feel free to test with it and see if it is more useful than Grass/Steel/Dragon

• Dragon tera on Tatsu is pretty much strictly worse than something like Steel, you really want a defensive tera to be able to get yourself out of certain pinches in end games

• Same thing with Incin as Roaring Moon, 248HP is not a real EV number, 244HP is the same thing. No Flare Blitz on Incin is interesting, I feel like I usually see people drop Knock Off if they're going for Taunt. Also why not Sitrus Berry instead of a lower HP berry when Sitrus is not already taken?

• I am 99% sure that Glimmora spread is useless, why all the DEF investment? If you're going super defensive Glimm, just go AV with Mortal Spin, Power Gem, Earth Power, Sludge Bomb and play like that. I don't really see the purpose behind this EV spread and how it's better than offensive Glimmora or AV bulky Glimmora

[tired sage]

you’ve got draco

[crimson flume]

Yup. Im stuck in ultra ball. :/

[autumn vault]

i use max defense to tank surging strikes as well as possible

[timber falcon]

use it once then its not that helpful for rest of battle, pulse hits nice and can be used over and over with no drawbacks

[crimson flume]

Defeated someone in master ball already. Many opponents in ultra are tough, I'll give you that.

[autumn vault]

also i promise i tried to get the exact ev numbers, its just that somehow i always have 4 or 8 remaining that i havent used

[tired sage]

you’re not supposed to use tatsu as a sweeper

[timber falcon]

bro its been days has it not? 😭

[crimson flume]

A few...

[timber falcon]

never said u were, but its still worth getting that damage in constantly over just for one turn

[autumn vault]

also ghold has 36 sp. def evs, so not 0 but close

[crimson flume]

You're forced to have a win streak in order to even get to master. Otherwise you won't go anywhere.

[tired sage]

aka no bulk-

[next stump]

just use grass tera, I promise it’s better

[tired sage]

dengo does not need to have that much speed-

[autumn vault]

wait in game i have tera grass

i promise that is a typo, rock ik for a fact is an awful tera

incin is built to annoy amoonguss with taunt and removing whatever item it has (also useful on other opposing supports)

[timber falcon]

when the annoying mon gets annoyed

[autumn vault]

this team is inspired by Santino Tarquinio's (sorry if i pronounced it wrong)dongiri team

why i have moon, glimm, dongiri. I have moon on the team because it makes dealing with amoonguss easier and also in general useful and not because i have a shiny sleepy roaring moon

[crimson flume]

Most of my losses are due to speed issues lol.

It comes down to who moved first.

[autumn vault]

I can somewhat explain those things i did and the fixes
For R-Moon i just cant for the life of me get all the evs useful without making 8/4 evs miss out, its just a habit i always had
Fairy tera dozo for S-Strike is nice but R-Strike and S-strike will never be on the same team, plus dozo can deal with rapid decently well and doesnt need tera
Dragon tera on Tatsu due to it appearing mostly when 1 or 2 pokemon are left and that is to get ko's quickly, steel replaces dragon
Incin same as moon, also replaced iapapa for sitrus
Glimm always had tera grass and it has max defense to take physical hits as well as possible to get 2 toxic spikes easier, also slapped an av and added those changes

[knotty mirage]

I think it's because not many people try harding on master ball tier i seen more meme team on there than when i'm on ultra ball tier

[mighty stump]

If youre concerned about Watershifu, just run Rocky Helmet

It works the same for dealing with Darkshifu, since you can break Sash and potentially OHKO with Crash.

[timber falcon]

tailwind then, or tr

[autumn vault]

The tera is grass, and i said that incase i already used my tera on something else

Plus it doesnt concern me that much, dozo with +2 manages it pretty well

[mighty stump]

• You mentioned max defense on Dondozo
• Paste isn’t Tera Grass, You need to start being more accurate with your pastes to reflect in-game.
• Surging Strikes Urshifu is just consistent enough damage that can chip Dondozo down comfortably, which is why Chuppa Cross ran that set

[crimson flume]

After I was 2? Wins away from master ball, suddenly had a losing streak.

Tough day....

[autumn vault]

I never said dozo has max defense, i said glimmora has max defense

[tired sage]

take it slow and analyze the turns as you go

[timber falcon]

whats the speed control in ur team

[crimson flume]

Trick room...

[timber falcon]

oh then how u struggling with speed

[crimson flume]

Tbh Ill ask for advice...
I have been changing my team multiple tines lately.

[autumn vault]

By any chance do you have a pokepaste?

We can assist on that team and maybe it might be the push to get to master rank

[timber falcon]

yep yep

[crimson flume]

Lost 5 games in a row after being 2 wins away from master. Its annoying.

How do I get a pokepaste?

[timber falcon]

easy to do on pokemon showdown, just draft up the team dn scroll too the botom, there should be pokepaste button

[mighty stump]

Ah I see. Why tho

It’s kinda pointless

[crimson flume]

My PC is in the service center rn. Hard to do everything on my phone. Ill just try to do tomorrow since its 2 AM here alr.

[autumn vault]

To take physical hits well enough to get the 2 toxic spikes with little to no problem

It is just an extra comfort layer to set them up

[crimson flume]

Thanks!

[mighty stump]

You always live two hits with minimal defensive investment. you’re guaranteed two layers. If setting up is the goal that’s just inefficient EV use

[autumn vault]

I see

[mighty stump]

On a max roll Mystic Water Urshifu only does 108

With Tera, 144

[autumn vault]

Ok that might be overkill on the defense evs

[mighty stump]

You could be 0/0 and the max roll is 156, your base 31 IV HP is 158

[autumn vault]

Ok

Well looks like i have to reset defense evs and put most on sp. Attack and the few on defense since its now a bulky av set

[mighty stump]

You absolutely cannot randomly assign EVs, I would recommend learning to calc even basic sets

[tired sage]

i mean…
if you mess with the slider enough you’ll get the hang of it

but calcing is good

[mighty stump]

Yeah but even being aware of thresholds on the most standard of sets is relevant. E.g. knowing the 4 EVs leftover on Chien-Pao is most optimal on Def for Scarfshifu

[autumn vault]

I mess with the level slider just to get the evs for the pokemon that is not a lvl 50

[bold geode]

[mighty stump]

Why though? What EVs are you having on mons that wouldn’t be level 100/50

Or wouldn’t be used at those levels

[autumn vault]

So i should test the evs at lvl 100 every time?

[tired sage]

you should get used to level 50 cause it’s 8 EV points per +1 to the stat right?

[mighty stump]

If you’re making sets you should be inputting the appropriate EVs at the appropriate level played

[mighty stump]

4 initial, 8 subsequent

[tired sage]

i still have no clue what the nature bumps are

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2063752248 0.6 hp left and it was my win condition

[mighty stump]

Bumps are just thresholds of EVs where the next 8 EVs you input in a nature-boosted stat will give you an extra stat point

[tired sage]

the one i know 100% is 76

[mighty stump]

Its variable

Could be 36, could be 76

[tired sage]

mm that makes sense

[mighty stump]

could be 156

Usually iirc

Its something to do with multiples of 11

[autumn vault]

Its the multiplication of 8 just with a random 4 added on every single one right?

[mighty stump]

Or so I read something that mentioned a multiple of 11

[mighty stump]

4+8n

So yes

[autumn vault]

Ok

[mighty stump]

But even so just use the sliders

[tired sage]

mhm-
the sliders are helpful

[mighty stump]

• When calcing sets, just observe the final stat number you need, then use the sliders to meet that number

It avoids wasting EVs outside of optimisation

[silk thorn]

I need a bluky ghost type to switch into rapid spin on a stall team, any suggestions?

I know rapid spin doesnt affect ghost, i just need it to survive any other move they want to throw at me just in case

[timber falcon]

singles?

[silk thorn]

Yes

[timber falcon]

gholdengo

[silk thorn]

Ghold can be bulky?? I thought it was a glass cannon lol

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[timber falcon]

pretty bulky

[silk thorn]

Ahh its serviceable, so maybe ghold with baloon?

[tired sage]

ape

[autumn vault]

I dont play ubers so i cant respond with knowledge

[timber falcon]

this defo not ubers is it?

[bold geode]

🤝

[silk thorn]

Its just for playing online ladder

[autumn vault]

: )

[silk thorn]

Or online in general, im just starting

[timber falcon]

ah ok, in that case hard hitting dengo cant go wrong

[tired sage]

🤝

[silk thorn]

Thanks you very much :)

[autumn vault]

What is a good ev spread for glimmora?

Its av with tera grass M spin, P gem, E power and S bomb

[tired sage]

max hp max attack /j

[autumn vault]

Seriously what is good?

[timber falcon]

glim with no herb? it , it cant be

[autumn vault]

It sets toxic spikes for dozogiri

[timber falcon]

assuming u get hit physically before no?

[autumn vault]

Yes

[timber falcon]

what if they lead

[tired sage]

self proc with eq

[timber falcon]

self proc?

[tired sage]

you can trigger the toxic debris yourself

[timber falcon]

by killing it....?

[tired sage]

tera grass is there for a reason and it can also allow a clean switch into tatsu

[autumn vault]

I see