I’m genuinely looking at running gapdos
#competitive_discussion
whole ibex
I’m genuinely looking at running gapdos
I’ve heard you say that like three times
molten oasis
I’ve heard you say that like three times
not recently
whole ibex
I haven’t used it much myself I’ve been using Brambleghast
molten oasis
im looking at it now, ive always been fond of it
its good into incin rilla pons shifus and if you do scarf its decent into flutter
molten oasis
I haven’t used it much myself I’ve been using Brambleghast
brambleghast is interesting
whole ibex
brambleghast is interesting
Yeah?
molten oasis
everything is weak to incin lol
whole ibex
True but not typing wise
molten oasis
True but not typing wise
yea fair point
i believe it had the same issue when harc was the go to fire type intimidate mon
real siren
Can anyone help me get better at competitive
merry anvil
Yo comp folks, can you tell me if this item would be balanced enough for VGC?
charred saddle
how do you activate it tho
molten oasis
probably would be decent on a bulky pokemon ig
charred saddle
in total it heals 13/24 right?
molten oasis
but how does it activate?
charred saddle
like if it activates in 50% its quite good i think
the 3 turn heal takes a bit of time
merry anvil
hmm
charred saddle
yeah i mean it can be used to some bulky mons
leftovers for more of a stall mons like dozo tho
bold geode
Yeah I don't think it'd be TOO overpowered though
charred saddle
since i think you get more value in the long run
merry anvil
Yeah stall mons probably wouldnt benefit from it
charred saddle
the recycle thing is interesting, but like you dont really run it in VGC i think
molten oasis
stall sucks in vgc
merry anvil
im trying to think of pokemon that even get Recycle
molten oasis
could work on bulkier pokemon tho, ting lu for example
charred saddle
but like amoonguss can benefit from it like a lot
charred saddle
amoonguss generally run sitrus, basically like if it stays for 2 turn, ur basically healing more than sitrus
molten oasis
and ig it would activate after a hit
charred saddle
i mean ur healing 7/24 than sitrus which is 6/24 (for 2 turn wise)
isnt that much of a difference
molten oasis
yea
charred saddle
yep
merry anvil
akin to a dedenne with a sitrus berry pretty much
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
merry anvil
but over 3 turns
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
greedent can definitely use it tho
oh and how does it work with cheek pouch?
like do you lose the item after you activate it or t3?
merry anvil
It isnt affected by cheek pouch
charred saddle
if u dont lose it after the item activates, then its quite bad
since you can be knocked off mid healing
oh only recycle?
merry anvil
Pretty much
charred saddle
ah okok
merry anvil
I didnt think about it too much, but I would probably say item disappears after turn 1 of use
charred saddle
its interesting tho
would be funny to see like items that buff stat like attack or def for 3 turns and gone haha
merry anvil
Like an energy drink? Sharply raises speed for 3 turns, before reverting back to 1x
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/0cb4d9b3aa806796 kinda derailing but, thoughts on other members for this?
merry anvil
Or maybe even lowering speed a stage after reverting to normal
charred saddle
Like an energy drink? Sharply raises speed for 3 turns, before reverting back to...
yeah something like that
oh lowering afterward seems balanced
itll be funny like tailwind then activating, then u get slow then u TR
merry anvil
https://pokepast.es/0cb4d9b3aa806796 kinda derailing but, thoughts on other memb...
noooo dont step on the berry
molten oasis
ogerpon handles dengo pao and flutter for gapdos, and bolt handles torn shifu
charred saddle
hAHAHAH tailroom at its finesse
molten oasis
noooo dont step on the berry
lol, didnt see that
merry anvil
Gapdos has its airpods in, it cant hear us
charred saddle
btw drago does gapdos OHKO shifu with brave bird evben when they tera?
molten oasis
btw drago does gapdos OHKO shifu with brave bird evben when they tera?
not post tera
charred saddle
i dont think it does right
molten oasis
cuz that doesnt make sense
pre tera it needs a decent chunk of bulk to live bb
into single strike, it cant do anything to gapdos so, gapdos just beats single strike
charred saddle
mainly worried about water
charred saddle
oo
molten oasis
would also live rain w/out tera
charred saddle
primarina seems interesting
molten oasis
prima? why prima?
charred saddle
can play together with pon, bolt
molten oasis
it does play well with pon
charred saddle
just dont like the 3 ground weaknesses tho
molten oasis
theres only 2
charred saddle
was thinking like lando T intim and scarf
molten oasis
ogerpon is neutral
molten oasis
i dont usually consider the teras when getting defensive synergy
charred saddle
idk if like u want FO you can even run rilla and glide pon
and more of a lando T scarf
molten oasis
rilla double, no triple overlaps lmao
charred saddle
flying doesnt resist flying?
molten oasis
nope
charred saddle
ah ok
molten oasis
yeaaaaa, not rilla lmao
ice poison and flying isnt great
https://pokepast.es/f2adea6db604025f heres 5/6
charred saddle
screens?
molten oasis
charred saddle
since i think you either want screens or like speed control but some of the speed tiering is weird
real siren
Anyone willing to help me get good at comp
molten oasis
id just need to ev stuff thats all
oh, uhm
torn gets 3 again lmao
were not doing torn
charred saddle
torn whim does make the 3
charred saddle
Anyone willing to help me get good at comp
not ignoring, but i dont feel qualified.
feel free to check on the pins for resources that can help you learn more.
personally id recommend watching CybertronVGC gameplays in youtube, he does gameplay and team breakdown on what makes it a good team and weakness to play around.
also does commentary on the gameplay on what he thinks and why on the choice, and even reviews some of the game
molten oasis
i mean, i can give zapdos tw
charred saddle
gapdos gets TW? 
molten oasis
mhmm
charred saddle
wtf
merry anvil
@charred saddle how does this look for the aforementioned energy drink idea?
molten oasis
3 stages would be lowkey broken
merry anvil
should I make it up 2 down 3?
molten oasis
2 then 3 would be better
molten oasis
and does the electric boost also get the speed boost?
molten oasis
raging bolt stonks lmao
molten oasis
<:KEKWCRY:1166242454505259059> thunderclap
nah fast bolt sounds terifying ngl
charred saddle
yeah i mean after the buff ends
im thinking of other mons that can utilize it
not much slow mon that can utilize it i think
molten oasis
uhm
charred saddle
like if its an attack boost or special attack boost its more open to choices since you can always icy wind or TW
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
since i think you either want screens or like speed control but some of the spee...
could do corv
idk if another off meta mon is a good idea i already have 2, but maybe
or a booster energy mon
a scarf mon is also technically speed control
charred saddle
corv makes ur team 3 weak to electric tho
mighty stump
All Pokemon get speed boost from it, electrics get speed boost + spatk boost
wat
oh
i missed
I thought I read Electric Terrain boosted Speed for Electric types and I was like
hUH
merry anvil
No, just talking about fake item ideas
Gonna post them for Theorymon Thursday over at stunfisk, just didnt want to get booed into stinkpost sunday
charred saddle
I thought I read Electric Terrain boosted Speed for Electric types and I was lik...
nasi padang enak bang
molten oasis
wat
https://pokepast.es/f2adea6db604025f you got any thoughts on a 6th for this? im considring corv atm, idk about torn or rilla sicne they both give me 3 3x weaknesses on the chart
im also consindering icy wind flutter
merry anvil
<@1060975738678947880> how does this look for the aforementioned energy drink id...
Made some amendments, better?
charred saddle
seems ok, just that its niche still tho
merry anvil
True
charred saddle
the three course meal set feels more interesting, since you are healiong little bit more than halve, but starts at 50%
like the other berry to heal 50% hp starts at 1/4 hp iirc
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
merry anvil
What if I made it rng based?
Boosts speed by 2 stages permanently, but each turn has a 10% chance to lower 3 stages
charred saddle
personally i wont use rng based items
like quick claws or like flinch item like kings rock
not reliable
merry anvil
I mean Kings Rock has some uses
charred saddle
the energy drink itself, while it lowers speed, you can always switch mons to reset thhe stats
merry anvil
Like serene grace Togekiss w/ air slash
charred saddle
yeah serene grace gimmicks, theres also like dudunsparce serene grace and para
merry anvil
But its just a very niche item
charred saddle
but like its still rng at the end of the day, ur just making the chance bigger
merry anvil
Right
Well im off to bed, maybe ill dream up the next game changing held item in my sleep
charred saddle
the energy drink already feels fine for me like +2 for 3 turns then lower them
just havent thought of which mon can utilize it, bolt can definitely use it
yep gn 
hope u get them sorted out
merry anvil
nini!
molten oasis
https://pokebin.com/3381416f5bb7d63e temporary variant 1 ig, still not sure about the 6th
hollow matrix
what's the best way to counter a iron defense skarmory
hollow matrix
special attackers
i've tried my friend still beats me with it
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
charred saddle
prob more of a gameplay issue then
iron defence means its a passive turn, utilize that passive turn
spores can also do them
amoonguss, rage powder to take away the body press
hollow matrix
that might work
charred saddle
spores too
hollow matrix
do either, dont do both
might work though
hollow matrix
is this singles or doubles
singles
charred saddle
dont play singles gl;
its body press right?
bolt wins? you can set calm mind and fairy tera. resists fighitn
hollow matrix
body press iron defense roost and spikes
hollow matrix
bolt wins? you can set calm mind and fairy tera. resists fighitn
raging bolt?
hollow matrix
would a ghost type also work?
charred saddle
ofc
hollow matrix
take my word with a grain of salt tho, dont play singles at all
i am not taking your word for this but ty
gentle cragBOT
i am not taking your word for this but ty
ekarn_ has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1
hollow matrix
would annihilape be a good option or would it be better to use Gardevoir/Gengar@charred saddle
charred saddle
idk i dont play singles
mighty stump
Yeah its hard to find advice for Singles
I recommend visiting Pikalytics
And also checking HOME data
autumn vault
wheat geode
If I'm running Flame Orb on Guts Ursaluna, is there any reason to still have a move like Swords Dance or Bulk Up? And will there be circumstances where I'd want to use those moves even with the bonus from Guts active, or would that just be overkill if I'm not facing a physical wall?
tough idol
Lol so it appears I basically already had a 1 Speed IV Cress lol 😆
mighty stump
If I'm running Flame Orb on Guts Ursaluna, is there any reason to still have a m...
SD allows you to have greater value in front of Intimidate cycling
Plus allows more investment in bulk
wheat geode
Plus allows more investment in bulk
Oh I didn't think about it this way; so I wouldn't necessarily have to invest the full 252EVs in Atk, and I could instead go maybe 252HP, 152 Atk and the other 100 in Def for example?
tough idol
Ooh nice. I have a 0Spe IV shiny Porygon from Go lol
timber falcon
Ooh nice. I have a 0Spe IV shiny Porygon from Go lol
:0
timber falcon
yeah serene grace gimmicks, theres also like dudunsparce serene grace and para
lost to tailwind rockslide dudunsparce the other day, never been more outraged
mighty stump
Oh I didn't think about it this way; so I wouldn't necessarily have to invest th...
When going outside of standard EVs, be efficient. It’s best to use your calcs with purpose
autumn vault
Imo ursaluna has really good defense and doesnt need defense ev's, it needs special defense ev's more
wheat geode
When going outside of standard EVs, be efficient. It’s best to use your calcs wi...
Gotcha! I get what you mean, i don't think I have enough experience yet to do something like that so I'll stick to standard builds 🫡
mighty stump
Gotcha! I get what you mean, i don't think I have enough experience yet to do so...
I can pass you an old set with the EVs explained. Calcing sets is a very simple concept once you understand what youre doing. I recommend reading VGCguide’s section on it to start
wheat geode
I can pass you an old set with the EVs explained. Calcing sets is a very simple ...
That'd be super appreciated! So far what I've been doing has just been the standard 252Atk/SpAtk & 252Speed for sweepers, and whatever I can find recommended online for the specific supports, so I'm hoping I can branch out from that. I'm also hoping to make H-Typhlosion work at least decently too and I feel like that'll be an extra challenge if I don't get the EVs right, or at least don't do it without a proper idea in mind 
mighty stump
That'd be super appreciated! So far what I've been doing has just been the stand...
You can always run it through us first as well.
wheat geode
You can always run it through us first as well.
Will do! I'm working on two different teams that I think I'll have fun with and I'm hoping will at least perform decently, I'll shoot them here when it's complete!
mighty stump
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 140 HP / 28 Atk / 204 Def / 132 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Facade
- Headlong Rush
- Swords Dance
- Protect```
- 252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 140 HP / 204 Def Ursaluna on a critical hit: 186-222 (83.4 - 99.5%) -- approx. 18.8% chance to OHKO after burn damage
- 252 SpA Iron Bundle Hydro Pump vs. 140 HP / 132 SpD Ursaluna: 186-222 (83.4 - 99.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO after burn damage
- 16x-1 HP optimised for BurnIgnore the "after burn" damage
This one doesn't run 0 spe, but you can if you want to.
Just take it out of the atk/spe and add it into the def
the 28 is leftovers
Old set, but it worked out great at the time.
Should still do now.
wheat geode
So the first bullet explains that the EVs are optimized to survive one SS from Urshifu-R, right? I'm assuming with Guts and Facade/Headlong Rush, it should also be able to do plenty of damage in return if not OHKO?
mighty stump
So the first bullet explains that the EVs are optimized to survive one SS from U...
Essentially.
So theres two ways you can do calcs
- Umbrella calcs, I like calcing for the highest potential damage I can tank especially for things with high offensive pressure
- Specific calcs, for exact matchups
I like my mons bulky, cause it's also about my playstyle
You'll see if my spreads are being shared by people in this chat they tend to be extremely defensive
wheat geode
You'll see if my spreads are being shared by people in this chat they tend to be...
this reminds me of the Snorlax Yawn support you ran hahaha that's also something I want to try out! I've always ever ran Snorlax offensively but longevity pressure sounds like it could be both easier and more sustainable
mighty stump
this reminds me of the Snorlax Yawn support you ran hahaha that's also something...
Well, stay tuned for my next blogpost
That's the first set fully broken down
wheat geode
You'll see if my spreads are being shared by people in this chat they tend to be...
And I'm assuming that moves like Swords Dance or environmental set-ups should compensate for where the build doesn't invest (or doesn't fully invest) in the offensive stat?
mighty stump
And I'm assuming that moves like Swords Dance or environmental set-ups should co...
Correct
Aside from that, there are a few optimisations you can also do
1), for certain things like Calm Mind/Bulk Up, you can ensure that your final stat ends as a whole number after 1.5x
2) You go for stat bumps as well
wheat geode
1), for certain things like Calm Mind/Bulk Up, you can ensure that your final st...
This is something I'll look into! I was considering running these moves on H-Typhlosion and Corviknight respectively, but wasn't sure whether the conclusion would actually be ideal or not, so far my EV spreads have really just been stat dumps so I wouldn't have known if I was going overboard and could spread them more ideally
I see Swords Dance/Nasty Plot ran in competitively a lot, and I figured then that +2 boost was really just to ensure an OHKO (with a full investment into Atk), but what I'm getting now is that it's primarily because the EV is spread out in such a way that that 2x boost is calculated to be precisely at a point to 9 times out of 10 secure an OHKO, but not be overkill? Barring ofc pokemon that would nevertheless want a full 252 in Atk/SpAtk
mighty stump
Bumps* not dumps, so essentially EV benchmarks, where the nature-boosted stat increases at 2 points once it meets that EV threshold.
real siren
Can anyone help me get good at comp
mighty stump
That's a thing that's mostly within your control based off attitude/mentality
But resource wise, theres tons
kindred cypress
I had a horrible but kinda intriguing setup come into my mind. H zoroark and ghouldengo
Could this actually work?
mighty stump
What's the setup?
kindred cypress
So both run protect nasty and shadow ball, but zo runs hyper voice and ghold does normal
That way the enemy doesn’t know which is illusion
mighty stump
That way the enemy doesn’t know which is illusion
You can kinda infer based off the speed tiers + Gholdengo always has to start in the back
I don't think the board positioning is effective
karmic temple
When you use zoroark it changes to the last pokemon in the party
If you toss them out at the same time it’s gonna change to whatever mon is last in your party lol not the dengo
mighty stump
If you toss them out at the same time it’s gonna change to whatever mon is last ...
Yeah like it forces you to lead Horoark + have Gholdengo in the back
upbeat quail
I wish more people played best of 3 VGC on showdown with open team sheets. It’s a bit annoying losing to an unpredictable gimmick that only works in best of 1
upbeat quail
Idk why but im struggling to find matches whenever I play on there
I’ll have to look for one of the tours
autumn vault
I’ll have to look for one of the tours
they are always OTS and sometimes are bo1, other times they are bo3
my pb on climbing one of the tours was the semifinals, lost to a showdown mod. I started participating on them before i came back to this server
tough idol
What do you think? Cress or P2 for ne to learn TR better
I've got decent of both, could even build 2 teams tbh
tired sage
cress offers healing while holding up tr but shes kinda fast.
while P2 has better offensive capabilities but only offers self recovery
lofty tartan
What do you think? Cress or P2 for ne to learn TR better
P2 has some pretty insane bulk
tired sage
it all depends on what you want though.
but P2 can take HITS
bold geode
P2 has some pretty insane bulk
P2 is CHONKY
lofty tartan
So chonky.
autumn vault
P2 is a Smooth-ass chonky boi
bold geode
I'm surprised at how chonky it be
Mika have you tried the Gouging team with P2 that hit finals in Dortmund?
lofty tartan
I have it in my builder.
I'm still sort of trying to see if I can make that ttar gouging fire team work lol
bold geode
It's interesting but I haven't tested it due to testing other stuff
(Or lack of testing in general I should say)
I got two planned tours coming up, the fact I've been so lazy at testing is just bad
autumn vault
I'm still sort of trying to see if I can make that ttar gouging fire team work l...
do you have the pokepaste of that team?
it seems very interesting
bold geode
I've been on a break of sorts for how long now
I've been on a "break" for effectively a month now, it's probably about time I get back into it
lofty tartan
do you have the pokepaste of that team?
Not yet but soon.
rustic mountain
I've been on a "break" for effectively a month now, it's probably about time I g...
breaks are good man
get back into it wen u want to
autumn vault
Not yet but soon.
not of your own, i mean from the original team that hit finals at dortmund
but your own is perfectly fine
bold geode
breaks are good man
I just haven't felt the urge to get back into it like
Big laddering sessions like I usually do
I've been doing some here and there but
Also
bold geode
rustic mountain
other times im playin and laddering a lot
jus gta go off vibes
lately i havent been playing much myself
bold geode
Right
But I got like tours I planned to do too
I'll probably play in them and then release this team lmao maybe idk
I've also been trying to play X for the first time
autumn vault
i feel the same, i haven't been laddering recently because of shiny hunts, other videogames ect.
bold geode
u could also jus not play in them haha up to u
Oh I am
I'm doing them
I NEED A DUB BRO
rustic mountain
bold geode
I could've won a tour one time but I fuckin fell asleep
rustic mountain
lmao
autumn vault
ok, thats hilarious
the farthest i made in tours was semifinals
but i lost to a showdown mod who won the same tour
nocturne holly
What are these chat highlights
bold geode
Plus I gotta rep my boy Annihilape
nocturne holly
Why am I getting pinned
bold geode
annihilape is mid
Yeah
But it can put in work
bold geode
I'm the Monke man
CEO of Monke
If someone gonna do it
rustic mountain
like u rely on it so much
autumn vault
annihilape is mid
not in a beat up team, pls its actually pretty good rn, just that the urshifus exist and mane is also present
bold geode
IT'S gonna be me
rustic mountain
haha
autumn vault
IT'S gonna be me
*CEO of Rillaboom, CEO of Monke
rustic mountain
not in a beat up team, pls its actually pretty good rn, just that the urshifus e...
ik the strat, it jus feels easily countered and threatened by a lot in the meta
autumn vault
what CEO are you?
rustic mountain
both
bold geode
*CEO of Rillaboom, CEO of Monke
I am the monkey man
rustic mountain
autumn vault
I am the monkey man
The Ape/Shit monkey man
bold geode
<:leGrooke:627295432086650880>
See this guy gets it
autumn vault
also annihilape is underrated rn
bold geode
The Ape/Shit monkey man
Exactly
I'm still surprised that's ok
rustic mountain
gf wen ape keeps its rage stack boosts even wen switching: 
gf wen dragon cheer was "bugged" and remained on switching: 
autumn vault
Exactly
I'm still surprised that's ok
also i support that you will make annihilape look godlike
bold geode
Tree for context, I put my pronouns as Ape/Shit, and Zeph while he was still mod said it was ok
autumn vault
in reg C i annihilated many people with mousape, it was hilarious
bold geode
also i support that you will make annihilape look godlike
Oh it won't be THAT crazy
I'm just gonna do my best lmao
bold geode
gf wen ape keeps its rage stack boosts even wen switching: <:drakeyes:8727475962...
That's the most broken thing tbh
Why it do that lol
autumn vault
dragon cheer +2 boosts with scope lens draco meteor is super broken ok, atleast with ape you can kill it fast before rage fist stacks too much
autumn vault
the point is neither should stay after switching
did you know that ape still keeps its rage fist buffs when you revive it with cress or rabsca/pawmot? Yes i did
rustic mountain
nah i didnt
autumn vault
its no 🧢
rustic mountain
lot of weird interactions in pokemon
bold geode
the point is neither should stay after switching
For sure lmao
autumn vault
lot of weird interactions in pokemon
like even crime bosses planning to destroy the world will still pay you when they lose
rustic mountain
oh i meant like battle mechanics but yea
bold geode
Tree I had a struggle tho
Had Fire Ape for Fairy resist and burn immunity
But I kept getting into bad board positions where after I Tera'd, Wellspring would bonk my ass
So I switched to Poison for Fairy resist
FIRST MU, Weezing and you know that thing has Wisp 
autumn vault
Tree I had a struggle tho
Had Fire Ape for Fairy resist and burn immunity
But I ...
i use tera steel because i never see will-o-wisp
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
bold geode
Might be a good idea?
real prairie
there any decent own tempo mons? thinking of running tornadus with swagger
is Urshu with a persim berry viable?
kindred cypress
there any decent own tempo mons? thinking of running tornadus with swagger
Tinkaton
kindred cypress
not good enough really
That’s the best of the bunch
real prairie
That’s the best of the bunch
sad
I considered ludicolo but without swift swim itll struggle anyway
solid frigate
I considered ludicolo but without swift swim itll struggle anyway
Ludicolo is only good in rain teams,so yeah better bring someone that actually is versatile
kindred cypress
Mold breaker for tinkaton
He was specifically wanting an own tempo Mon
smoky hawk
You guys ever have those tournaments where you are playing your heart out and impressing yourself and still losing and have no idea what you're doing wrong?
lofty tartan
not of your own, i mean from the original team that hit finals at dortmund
https://pokepast.es/944383204c8e361c
This is what I have in my builder at the moment
I think the Dortmund team ran Safety Goggles Kingambit, which is actually what I'm playing on Switch right now
smoky hawk
I don't see amoonguss often enough to justify safety goggles
bold geode
I don't see amoonguss often enough to justify safety goggles
Its around a good amount?
Also honestly Safety Goggles Kingambit is pretty good anyways
lofty tartan
We love the Goggles Gambo
smoky hawk
I use black glasses
With ghost tera lately
It's great against farigaraf because they often lead with a fake out mon. Also immune to fighting
Gambit amoonguss is a good opening too. I'm running covert cloak on amoonguss
bold geode
With ghost tera lately
Bro no
Dark/Flying/Dragon
Only acceptable
Maybe Fairy
Ghost you just lose to other Kingambit
bold geode
But it's not the great go to lmao
smoky hawk
I have outs to that. Amoonguss like I said. I also have urshifu
lofty tartan
I don't like blowing tera just to dodge Fake Outs 😐
Gambo has protect most days. Just protect.
🤷
smoky hawk
That's fine. But it lets me get an early swords dance
bold geode
Yeah
Blowing tera to dodge Fake Out is only really good on stuff that doesn't usually run Protect
Like Incineroar or Tornadus or whatever
lofty tartan
I'm basically running Ugarte's Gambit now. We ditch Sword Dance in favor of coverage for less time getting blanked.
smoky hawk
I run it because I run swords dance
lofty tartan
I was running Tera Dragon SD
bold geode
I run it because I run swords dance
I run Flying SD
lofty tartan
Fake Out guys really lose steam when their options are Fake Out the Bulwark Mon and get burned or Fake Out Gambit
tired sage
Bro no
Dark/Flying/Dragon
Only acceptable
i mean….
fire tera is also a thing
tired sage
Didn't you run Dragon Flutter?
i’m sorry-
WHAT
bold geode
Lmao
smoky hawk
I did run dragon flutter for a while
lofty tartan
i mean….
fire tera is also a thing
Fire Tera less good now because burns are less prevalent and Waterpon is a thing
Dragon Tera resists all pons
smoky hawk
Dragon tera in general is a good defensive tera in Reg F
bold geode
Yeah no Dragon Flutter is one of the worst things I've ever heard of meta relevant shit
And I'm a Tera Dragon guy
lofty tartan
It's not bad it's just not as good as previous Regs
tired sage
Fire Tera less good now because burns are less prevalent and Waterpon is a thing
mm that’s fair.
everyone knows i’m one to come up with stupid ideas but idk about dragon tera flutter-
smoky hawk
90% of flutters run fairy tera and I understand wanting the extra damage
bold geode
In terms of defensive teras, Grass will always be #1 for Flutter
tired sage
grass :0
i remember grass tera energy ball from reg D 
bold geode
I do agree that Dragon Tera is a good defensive tera...... On certain things
tired sage
or was it reg C-
lofty tartan
I do agree that Dragon Tera is a good defensive tera...... On certain things
I'm gonna be that guy who says I didn't like your Dragon Tera Hands. You can't Tera in the situation you are most likely to Tera in - against Flutter
bold geode
Plus I'd rather just Moonblast
bold geode
I'm gonna be that guy who says I didn't like your Dragon Tera Hands. You can't ...
It was good for the Ogers, which is what it mainly was for at the time
lofty tartan
bold geode
Now I will say it did fail afterwards lol
lofty tartan
bold geode
The Hands could survive Moonblasts anyways (thx Tofu)
But it fucking hated Chien Pao if it tera'd
lofty tartan
Oh that's for sure
smoky hawk
everyone knows i’m one to come up with stupid ideas but idk about dragon tera fl...
What makes it stupid? You can argue suboptimal but that doesn't necessarily mean stupid
tired sage
okay but-
you’re not making yourself an answer for other flutters-
bold geode
What makes it stupid? You can argue suboptimal but that doesn't necessarily mean...
Once again
Sure you tera to live Shadow Ball
But then they just click Moonblast or Dazzling Gleam
Or you get fucked by Chien Pao
tired sage
you’re just making yourself more weak to flutters and paos
bold geode
Actually I'm wrong
Grass or Water is good
I prefer Grass tho
smoky hawk
Depends on the rest of my team. What if I have a follow me magmar?
tired sage
Depends on the rest of my team. What if I have a follow me magmar?
what about dazzling gleam
smoky hawk
To be fair, I'm not running dragon tera anymore on anything
lofty tartan
That's just talking about stuff in a vacuum
"What does this do against Urshifu?"
"I dunno. What if I have Raging Bolt?"
tired sage
fair
lofty tartan
Partners matter but making yourself open to the most-likely optimal plays from your opponent - ie Flutter not clicking Shadow Ball into another Flutter because they're pretty likely to tera - is probably bad
smoky hawk
That's just talking about stuff in a vacuum
I believe people call that team building
The brainstorming phase is rather complex
bold geode
lofty tartan
No they call that hyperbole. Talking about stuff in a vacuum is basically just crafting situations from thin air, and you can either make them optimal for you or optimal for your opponent
They do not account for players being living, breathing humans
bold geode
Mika did you like Tera Dragon Harc though?
smoky hawk
Who said I wasn't accounting for human thinking?
That's what I think about above all else in building teams
lofty tartan
Like the phrase "in a vacuum" is a carryover for me from Magic: the Gathering.
"This creature is bad because it dies to removal" is talking about things in a vacuum
bold geode
lofty tartan
It's talking about things without the influence of outside factors
Like you're not addressing the problem.
And it's not me harping on you either. You wanna dragon tera, by all means, but it seems wonky to me.
karmic temple
@mighty stump can u clean up rental
lofty tartan
I know you said you aren't playing it anymore. So it's really a non-issue
smoky hawk
Everything you can possibly implement has a strategic weakness. Part of team building is assessing risk vs reward in connection with the current meta, and having outs to the opponent's counter play
lofty tartan
Oh goodness please don't try to school me on teambuilding fundamentals. That is not what I am trying to get into right now 
bold geode
tired sage
i apologize for causing an inconvenience-
i didn’t mean it like that….
bold geode
Mumu you good good
lofty tartan
Nah you're fine. My Olive Garden just got here anyway
smoky hawk
Alrighty then don't school me either
bold geode
Nah you're fine. My Olive Garden just got here anyway <:arkeknine:66950043274104...
How many breadstick
smoky hawk
It's mutual. We're both experienced players
tired sage
How many breadstick
should be infinite no?
bold geode
Also I don't think anyone was schooling as much as stating opinions?
lofty tartan
I was trying to explain that dismissing a real issue in choices by saying "I have a partner mon" is completely skipping the issue
bold geode
should be infinite no?
<:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
Absofuckinlutely
tired sage
self multiplying breadstick :0
lofty tartan
Like that's not how good teambuilders build teams
But heey man you do whatever you wanna do
smoky hawk
Having a partner mon to make up for weaknesses is actually smart. Lol find me a winning team in any Gen 9 regional that doesn't appear to have done that
tired sage
i just slap random mons that look cool and call it a day
lofty tartan
Making up for weaknesses with a partner is vital but taking a knowingly suboptimal option that creates weaknesses is silly lol
Like creates weaknesses into typical starting lines
bold geode
i just slap random mons that look cool and call it a day <:PikaLmao:678990785500...
Honestly bit of a vibe
tired sage
Honestly bit of a vibe
i have a roaring moon that hits like a wet noodle
lofty tartan
I'm not gonna change your mind on this, just like I couldn't change your mind on real recorded public tournament results
So I'm just gonna back off lol
smoky hawk
If you're implying that I would just do something because "I feel like it", let me assure you that's never the case. I don't intentionally choose suboptimal option. Sometimes I do and I learn from it. All of us can say the same
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/6159a934cb02495a
also-
ignoring the fact that i have a specs harcanine and a mienshao-
shell sandal
man i used to pride myself on being good at pvp but im losing in great ball tier 😭
tired sage
it’s okay.
we all have our ups and downs.
just keep playing and you’ll get better.
but do remember to stop playing if you get tilted or you’ll fall even farther
tired sage
yeah if you get tilted you lose half of your thinking capabilities and start free falling down to pokeball
bold geode
man i used to pride myself on being good at pvp but im losing in great ball tier...
It's ok
Just study how you play and the consistency
"Why am I losing"
"What can I do to not lose as much"
"What in my team can I change to do better?"
Asking and answering these questions can help so much
shell sandal
i will do that right after i finish taking out my rage on my next few opponents lol
idc if i lose, just want to give em hell atp
bold geode
Cuz if you can get more consistent with you play, then the wins can come a bit easier
tired sage
mhm.
analysis of your games help a lot too.
then you can store more scenarios and what to do
shell sandal
how do I analyze the games, is there a replay feature?
tired sage
on cart, just try to remember what went wrong or take notes along the way.
it’s what i used to do before i misplaced my switch
shell sandal
the issue is im using a suboptimal team simply because i like it, thats what is ruining me
tired sage
ill see the turn play out then while you select your moves, i make a mental note on what i could have done better, if i did predict said move or stuff
shell sandal
ohhhhh alr
aight bro thats the final straw im done w this stupid game
why did this game come down to the final 2 pokemon when im playing against people i should be handidly destroying 😭
tough idol
Well that ruined my night. FFS
Just got into team building, emergency call out to work, another armed robbery. Only been 5 weeks FFS
shell sandal
oh dang
raven sun
Uh, who ghost pinged in the rentals channel?
molten oasis
Uh, who ghost pinged in the rentals channel?
I did for the people that posted in there
If that was the wrong way to go about it my bad
raven sun
Nps, lol. Deleted the extra messages that were on there anyways
molten oasis
Feel free to ping me for help, but I’m taking a break for a while, I won’t be around as much
shell sandal
man i hate pvp sometimes
tired sage
take it slow.
shell sandal
35-35 now, im j quitting until tmw
real prairie
Not exactly competitive so feel free to delete it if you think it's really out of place but thought some of y'all in here might appreciate it 🙂 https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3XLAn2MxeW/?igsh=d2xsdXRpNGV1bjAz
kindred cypress
Not exactly competitive so feel free to delete it if you think it's really out o...
You could’ve just put this in sv discussion
And get them mad
hidden flare
Whats the best defensive terra typing?
kindred cypress
Whats the best defensive terra typing?
Prob steel or poison
Grass can also be used for amoongus bait
molten oasis
Whats the best defensive terra typing?
Very very heavily dependent on the Mon
Fairy Poison and Water are fairly common
rustic mountain
yea there isnt really like a de facto best
hidden flare
Very very heavily dependent on the Mon
True…. I’ve been using a team with a belly drum snorlax with grass tera and has been catching some people off guard
Couldn’t believe torkoal was slower that a no good speed snorlax
I know snorlax sucks but honestly it’s pretty fun lol I’ve been sweeping some teams in ultra
rustic mountain
i mean snorlax doesnt inherently suck, its jus power crept
cyan smelt
Don't do this
hidden flare
i mean snorlax doesnt inherently suck, its jus power crept
Yeah better way to put it. Honestly it sweeps with belly drum up and an amoongus next to it. Been running recycle and gluttony. If it’s 2 mons with neutral damage in TR snorlax normally gets the berry off first lol
Leaving your second mon if not an amoongus to attack freely without losing a mon
cyan smelt
Didn't people used to run belly drum + custap
rustic mountain
i played vs one relatively recently
rustic mountain
Yeah better way to put it. Honestly it sweeps with belly drum up and an amoongus...
yea i mean its slow enough to take advantage
rustic mountain
Was it shiny? Lol
nah
bold geode
i mean snorlax doesnt inherently suck, its jus power crept
Having Chipotle rn, it fuckin hit
kindred cypress
Having Chipotle rn, it fuckin hit
Which way
bold geode
Wym
rustic mountain
summer shore
👋
summer shore
<@177012687111323649>
@bold geode
bold geode
<@817628066020065280>
How is @summer shore
summer shore
How is <@177012687111323649>
Dying or dead
bold geode
Dying or dead
Huh
mighty stump
i mean snorlax doesnt inherently suck, its jus power crept
Thats what u think pissboy
But also I just think BDrum Lax is the worse Snorlax set
dull ibex
Thats what u think pissboy
snorlax is mid and so are you
mighty stump
ok mr i’m gonna sleep powder a grass type
tired sage
leo-
stop listing the things you do /t
fluid wind
https://pokepast.es/71f0860512c6e7a0 what yall think
fluid wind
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2062674337 also won a tourment with this team
dull ibex
ok mr i’m gonna sleep powder a grass type
shut up bitch
dull ibex
im busy playing a real game nerd
mighty stump
DICE LEGACY
karmic temple
My Italian grandma also calls me fagioli
Finally got my bolt and gouging fire we are so BACK
Howlteinite save me
molten oasis
im busy playing a real game nerd
What convinced you to do the hollow knight city of tears pfp
mighty stump
I lost the finals of my local yesterday on the worst luck ever
That's unfortunates
autumn vault
I lost the finals of my local yesterday on the worst luck ever
thats sad
i feel bad
crimson flume
First ranked game in ultra ball tier and I already had a taste of urshifu ignoring my shield.
Ended up losing the match because of it. Also indeedee and iron crown mirror match up...
I ended up using trick room on my opponent using trick room on me using trick room on my opponent using trick room. 
crimson flume
The opponent indeedee and I were spamming trick room on each other's trick room.
next stump
oh I see lol
crimson flume
Urshifu is so op. Like why does he ignore shields.
My ogerpon got one shotted by close combat.
What's worse is, spiky shield gets ignored.
next stump
there’s a reason he was on 70% of teams at the last official tournament, very very strong
crimson flume
Welcome to ultra ball tier..
tough idol
Urshifu ability ignores all forms of Protect
mighty stump
UB tier is still free
Usually any team, as long as the player has solid fundamentals, should be able to get into Master Ball comfortably
crimson flume
I decided to focus on catching kubfu after that match lol.
mighty stump
Although climbing Master Ball is a different matter afterwards
autumn vault
First ranked game in ultra ball tier and I already had a taste of urshifu ignori...
Rough
crimson flume
I think if I saved tera water for ogerpon instead of using it impulsively on my iron crown when the opponent also had an iron crown would have won me the game.
autumn vault
I made it to master rank with weezing regigigas in 20 matches
So grind Orange
Also i remember in my ursaluna cress trick room team i had a big weakness to lando-I and i had my 6th slot empty, do you know what did they recommend me to use (suggestion from showdown) against it? Raging Bolt with AV snarl, like that giraffe can deal with lando I at all
After that shit suggestion i slapped lando-T on my team and gave my cress modest and 124 evs to ohko lando I (with 4 evs in sp. def/hp) with ice beam
mighty stump
Also, irregardless what anyone says, celebrate getting to Master Ball if that is an achievement for you. Just be aware that's also where the real game starts
autumn vault
Reg F was the first time i got to master rank with a team built by myself, thats an achievement imo
crimson flume
And I thought the real game started when I made it to ultra. Seems I'm in for more stress.
mighty stump
<:pepogld:816502039483121694>
Im literally teaching myself sprite animation from scratch for this blogpost
rustic mountain
real prairie
Ive managed to get up to 1500 with this which im quite proud of https://pokebin.com/9ecbae821c1ef6b6
autumn vault
Ive managed to get up to 1500 with this which im quite proud of https://pokebin....
You dont need two ways to set up rain in my opinion
Its not bad, but just a bit unnecesary
real prairie
it comes in handy and lets me leave either Poli or Torn behind depending who im facing
Ive predicted a few torkoal swap ins and manually reset the rain with Torn which has won me a few games
also isn't too many other moves to replace it with so figured why not
real prairie
Danke
Im still waiting on that crucial power whip miss to bite me in the arse but that can't really be helped lol
autumn vault
Im still waiting on that crucial power whip miss to bite me in the arse but that...
Also the crucial sandsear storm miss
To hit both oppoents
crimson flume
Question... can you switch from single strike to rapid strike urshifu and vice versa? Or is the form you pick permanent...
real prairie
Also the crucial sandsear storm miss
perks of two rain setters is that doesn't happen often
crimson flume
Just realized. The urshifu I fought is single strike. Not rapid strikes lol. No wonder my ogerpon got one shot.
rocky bough
is impish or careful generally better for incineroar?
timber dome
dose any wone have a good set for chein pow
next stump
usually just 252ATK/252SPE/4DEF
- Icicle Crash or Ice Spinner
- Sucker Punch
- Sacred Sword
- Protect
Focus Sash held item
crimson flume
Okay since I only have 1 kubfu as of now. Which is more viable, dark or water urshifu?
I am hesitant about water because wellspring ogerpon just hard counters.
next stump
Dark is more common right now but just a couple months ago, water was everywhere
so I don't think you can definitively say one is better
dapper crag
What's op against coliseum
dapper crag
I am hesitant about water because wellspring ogerpon just hard counters.
fighting type?
crimson flume
fighting type?
Close combat one shotted me. xD
I used dark type.
Water type can wait.
dapper crag
I thought it nearly one shotted, lol
crimson flume
Nah. It's an instant KO from full health.
dapper crag
oh wow
I have Dragonite, Jolteon, and Entei primal, what else should I add? I also have Suicune, from bdsp, it's shiny and defensive
I see a lot of urshifu in parties
tired sage
Water type can wait.
they’re are no stat differences-
both dark and water have the same stats-
just different moves
crimson flume
they’re are no stat differences-
Isn't water resistant to water?
Wait. Maybe I am getting the wrong idea.
tired sage
but water bear also gets close combat-
tired sage
Isn't water resistant to water?
water does resist water but i’m saying water bear also gets close combat-
knotty mirage
You can boost water shifu damage with rain which the darkshifu don't have that kind of boost
dapper crag
Ice beam TM where?
crimson flume
but water bear also gets close combat-
I meant i thought a close combat from water bear vs ogerpon is weaker than close combat from dark bear because..
Ogerpon is water type for wellspring and water bear will affect the effectivity of close combat vs dark bear? Wait. Am I making sense?
Wait. Oh no. I don't think pokemon type has anything to do with offensive moves. Offensive moves are based on typing of the move.
Pokemon type only is defensive...
dapper crag
should I add water bear to my team?
autumn vault
if you want
tired sage
I meant i thought a close combat from water bear vs ogerpon is weaker than close...
no no.
type things are purely defensive.
close combat is a fighting type move so itll hit neutral to waterpon
dapper crag
If seems like a winnish card
crimson flume
Dark Urshifu is the main counter of psyspam.
dapper crag
Should I go adamant
crimson flume
Psyspam made some games easy for me.
Cause iron crown + indeedee-f psychic terrain expanding force is really powerful.
tired sage
mhm thats the biggest thing going for evil bear
crimson flume
Ive seen psyspam double ohko in 1 turn.
dapper crag
Dark or water bear
tough idol
Darkshifu and Incin say F to Psyspam
dapper crag
I have no dark on my team
crimson flume
Darkshifu and Incin say F to Psyspam
Yea
tired sage
Darkshifu and Incin say F to Psyspam
i played a ring target trick indeedee once-
scared the shit out of me
tough idol
Yh that'll do it lmao
autumn vault
i played a ring target trick indeedee once-
scared the shit out of me
Brain Damage
tired sage
saw my incin get melted by an expanding force
crimson flume
I ran Expanding Horse at Liverpool Regional lol
Wait you played live in the regional?
Congrats, sir!
tough idol
There's a few ppl in here that have done Regionals tbh
next stump
I recommend everyone try at least one that’s close-ish to them
it’s how the game is meant to be played IMO
tired sage
plus you get to go find a community and make new friends :p
tired sage
wha?
tough idol
Urshifu is VGC Doubles legal
dapper crag
this isn't doubles
tough idol
Are you building singles
dapper crag
ranked singles
tough idol
Cart or showdown
tough idol
Fairly sure cart singles is same ruleset and doesn't use Ubers etc
It's vgc ranked ruleset
tired sage
cart singles is vgc ruleset but singles instead-
theres no "Ubers" "OU" on cart
autumn vault
cart singles is vgc ruleset but singles instead-
theres no "Ubers" "OU" on cart
also no UU, RU, NU, PU or ZU (also ubersUU but thats an unnoficial meta)
tired sage
mhm
tough idol
Must be a singles thing, I've never even seen one
dapper crag
What counters her
autumn vault
I keep losing to it
you are like me
autumn vault
What counters her
kingambit, also priority moves
like chien pao's sucker punch, kommo-o bulletproof tera steel walls it, etc.
autumn vault
then you get obliterated by a fairy move
autumn vault
dragonite if it can survive can obliterate it
dapper crag
So I have to try without Twra
tough idol
Something wrong if you're Tera always goes on same mon
dapper crag
I always use Drag, no issue
dapper crag
That helps
autumn vault
but i recommend inner focus for incin/rillaboom
dapper crag
focus over multi?
autumn vault
most of the time yes
dapper crag
oof
tough idol
I nust mean in general, shouldn't be able to say tera is used for 'whichever mon' should have ideas plans for where tera could go, not feel pressured into always doing Dragonite
autumn vault
^
dapper crag
Mmkay
I have fire punch after dc, extreme speed, and dd
nothing for mismagius prima
next stump
https://twitter.com/jenkins_vgc/status/1759397443270037609?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w
lmao someone actually did the math
Twitter
ember linden
Correct
ember linden
I'm liking Water Shifu but it's not on a normal team lol
tired sage
urshifu in general is OP-
it wasnt in swsh...
dapper crag
lol
smoky hawk
urshifu in general is OP-
it wasnt in swsh...
Urshifu wasn't in swsh? It came out in the isle of armor DLC
dapper crag
I want to use Raging bolt but I carry Jolteon
ember linden
This is the team I’m running rn with Water Shifu https://pokepast.es/f6893ade788b5bf2
smoky hawk
Speaking of raging bolt, I'm thinking to build a TR team and including that
tired sage
Urshifu wasn't in swsh? It came out in the isle of armor DLC
isle of armor is in swsh-
isle of armor and crown tundra are swsh dlcs
smoky hawk
isle of armor is in swsh-
Yes, so why'd you say urshifu wasn't in swsh?
tired sage
oh i meant it wasnt op in swsh
like it is now
smoky hawk
Or did you mean something different?
ember linden
It was banned from play for a hot minute I believe
ember linden
Just Water Shifu, not Dark Shifu
tired sage
cause dynamax could counter with the double hp given
plus max guard prevents any moves from hitting you including unseen fist contact moves
smoky hawk
I'm thinking to build a TR team with torkoal and raging bolt
ember linden
Dynamax isn’t a counter to Urshifu it’s just a good thing to have in the matchup
smoky hawk
It's slow... enough for trick room
tired sage
Dynamax isn’t a counter to Urshifu it’s just a good thing to have in the matchup
eh...
Double hp def helped sweepers live against shifu's deadly strikes
ember linden
A counter is typically if not always just like a you can’t do anything situation
dapper crag
what mon counters mismagiya
ember linden
It’s just a good option, not a counter
dapper crag
mismagius
ember linden
You have to be more specific about the situation if you’re saying it’s a counter
tired sage
wait no yeah you're right vik
thats my bad xD
smoky hawk
I'm wondering why dusclops doesn't get as much love as cresselia. It is actually very slightly bulkier than cress if you do damage calcs. I calced using specs flutter shadow ball. Dusclops is also immune to fake out
Shares the same weaknesses too
tired sage
I'm wondering why dusclops doesn't get as much love as cresselia. It is actually...
its the garbage hp stat
ember linden
wait no yeah you're right vik
thats my bad xD
It’s fine lol I’m just talking. Not mad at you or anything
dapper crag
It’s just a good option, not a counter
moon blast spam, might be specs
smoky hawk
its the garbage hp stat
Like I said, it is slightly bulkier than cress if you calc. I did specs flutter shadow ball to compare them
ember linden
moon blast spam, might be specs
That’s not a counter either
tired sage
P2 is just 10 times better
dapper crag
I need a counter for it
smoky hawk
P2 is good. But I do like being immune to fake out
tired sage
and with cress, you get healing.
dusclops is dusclops
ember linden
You’re not going to be able to slap something on as a counter in VGC, you just have many different routes as to what you do into said thing
dapper crag
its singles
ember linden
Ah, I didn’t see you say that if you did
dapper crag
I didn't
ember linden
Gotcha
dapper crag
it just moon blasts me to death
smoky hawk
and with cress, you get healing.
dusclops is dusclops
That's a fair point. On the other hand, dusclops gets wisp
I dunno, I'll have to test it and report back
tired sage
true, but imo healing is better cause your team will be around for longer.
ember linden
Are we talking about Cress over Clops without a team to go off of?
smoky hawk
TR setters are generally interchangeable unless you use flutter for it or something like that. I'll build TR teams and try both setters and see which works better
I do know I want to use torkoal and raging bolt and incin
solar breach
Niche/unused Pokémon my beloved
https://pokepast.es/3d364a946811a12e
dapper crag
flutter is fast
mighty stump
https://twitter.com/jenkins_vgc/status/1759397443270037609?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_dd...
Just vibe bro
tough idol
Niche/unused Pokémon my beloved
https://pokepast.es/3d364a946811a12e
4/6 are still fairly regular use lol 😆
ember linden
Probably 3/6 idk about hands lol
I mean it’s not bad but I’ve yet to see it outside of official events
bold geode
Just vibe bro
Just click button
tired sage
Probably 3/6 idk about hands lol
hands is hands-
it does it job perfectly
dull ibex
What convinced you to do the hollow knight city of tears pfp
Playing the game
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/0392e1ad4e3a22f7 bit of an odd team i got here, any thoughts?
solar breach
4/6 are still fairly regular use lol 😆
Welcome to off meta team building
1-3 niche things that get u weird looks like 3-5 of the “glue onto everything” collective (pao, flutter, incin, urshifu, tornadus, ogerpon, amoongus) 🙃
solar breach
It says the format for what ur making the team for on the pokepaste
bold geode
Playing the game
Damn that would do it
bold geode
My mind is blown
mighty stump
I did it
I finished the sprite animation for my blogpost
Well, the one im expecting to do
timber falcon
looks pretty standard to me
dull ibex
DICE LEGACY
YES a real game
dull ibex
🫡
bold geode
Legion thx for catching that
Anyways other than the fact you need to
- Post in #self_promotion
- Apply for content creator role even before you do #1
Brady Smith has a set for that GF that's honestly more optimal
Tofu came up with the same spread too so
bold geode
Not really? I was really just trying to help him out with that
timber falcon
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2063092028 the most confusing sets and mons ive ever seen in vgc
ursh legit didnt even have surging
strange fjord
wild cairn
Best ev spread and moveset for a special Arcanine (timid/modest)?
upbeat quail
Most arcanines are physical based because of how good E-Speed is.
But I could see a bulky utility with special attack moves being useful.
Modest: 252 HP, 76 Sp. Atk, 4 Def, 52 Sp. Def, 124 Speed.
-Overheat/Heat Wave
-Snarl
-Will-o-wisp
-protect
The EVs could probably be more refined depending on matchups, maybe with a bit more Special Defense investment.
tired sage
Best ev spread and moveset for a special Arcanine (timid/modest)?
regular arcanine or hisuian
cause i have builds for both-
but it’s a specs build cause otherwise you’re hitting like a wet noodle
wild cairn
regular arcanine or hisuian <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
Either
tired sage
my time to shine has come
Arcanine-Hisui (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 124 HP / 140 Def / 108 SpA / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Power Gem
- Tera Blast
- Hyper Voice
wild cairn
But I could see a bulky utility with special attack moves being useful.
Modest:...
Would life orb be the best held item?
tired sage
you’ll hit 211 SpA which isn’t that bad
no you’d want specs-
you’re gonna hit like a wet noodle unless you max max
upbeat quail
Yeah specs if you wanna go full damage, but safety goggles for utility if you don’t do Tera Grass. Sitrus berry also isn’t a bad item
tired sage
Arcanine (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 132 HP / 84 Def / 124 SpA / 60 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Tera Blast
- Hyper Voice
- Scorching Sands
there are my two sets i have for special arcanine….
dragon pulse is a bit redundant though
thank you for letting me share my garbage builds
kindred cypress
Best ev spread and moveset for a special Arcanine (timid/modest)?
Why would you want one?
upbeat quail
I forgot about scorching sands. Fun move
wild cairn
Why would you want one?
Trying something new
tired sage
Why would you want one?
why not-
to mess around i assume
and don’t ask why i had these on hand-
upbeat quail
Sounds like my max special attack modest specs weezing. Tera electric with levitate
next stump
Im ultra ball tier!
congrats 🙂
molten oasis
Playing the game
Pog, that game is awesome
dull ibex
I made a meme
tired sage
Then run rock head head smash
the reason why i came up with that build was so i could avoid intimidates while being able to intim the enemy
dull ibex
Man.
tough idol
ruby pollen
I’m running Ttar and Drill with Flutter and a FWG core but only have Gyrados, Arcanine and Amoonguss I could switch Nine to ChiYu. Does that sound like a nice balanced team?
charred saddle
regular arcanine?
rustic mountain
idk bout balanced but it seems ok
waterpon/incin jus seems better
but chi yu w/ flutter works
charred saddle
i just feel like you auto lose to tailwind team or like whimsicott in general
waterpon also hits a lot to ur team
threatening ohko on ttar drill flutter arc, and annoys amoonguss spore eith follow me and cant be rage powdered
not saying its bad in general, just that you will have a very hard MU against some teams since you dont have any speed control outside sandrush drill
oh and shifu will also annoys the hell out of you,
torn shifu leads can be very annoying (but amoonguss can help with this one)
tough idol
@fresh bane I do not have an Intim Litten, I just threw an ability patch on my Torracat
charred saddle
rain dance, tailwind, and able to hit SE or even neutral to most of your team
fresh bane
ohhh okok
do you have a litten by any chance then ?
im starting my playthrough
and would lik to use one :))
tough idol
You would have better luck in #trading_sv , I dont keep breedjects generally, I just release em once I have what I need
fresh bane
i will do that !! thank you so much :))
dapper crag
@orange is that you?
ruby pollen
threatening ohko on ttar drill flutter arc, and annoys amoonguss spore eith foll...
Good points. I do have flying Ttar, Sash Drill, Spd Icy Wi d Flutter, Thunder Wave Gyrados, Maybe I’ll add Farigaraf
bold geode
waterpon/incin jus seems better
ruby pollen
It’s just hard to get incin/ogerpon
rustic mountain
<:worryBee:558374468259676189>
next stump
It’s just hard to get incin/ogerpon
do you have the DLC?
ruby pollen
Not yet
charred saddle
i mean cough cough
https://discord.com/channels/663661005514997770/1207937491622039593
feel free to check that, and offer something interesting 
bold geode
<:worryZilla:950514370968977498>
rustic mountain
bold geode
<a:aworryBeanChocoboRun:1068317896155070525>
Gapdos worry
carmine dirge
bold geode
<a:aworryBackpackChocobo:1186772619865882664>
FUCK SLOW DOWN GAPDOS
tired sage
I'm masterball rank!
ooo niceeeee
carmine dirge
Question: would prankster screens still work while under psychic terrain? 
I feel like the answer is yes
polar canyon
Yes
Psychic terrain prevents you from using moves against the opponent
So helping hand or protect still work
carmine dirge
Ty much appreciated!
bold geode
Question: would prankster screens still work while under psychic terrain? <:Cute...
Yeah
It's targeted on yourself technically
lofty tartan
Technically psychic terrain protects grounded pokemon from priority attacks. So it doesn't actually prevent you from using them - IE if something is flying type or tera flying, you can use priority moves against it on Psychic Terrain
craggy hemlock
Battle anyone ?
wild cairn
@tired sage should I go Tera grass or Tera water for special Arcanine? Also, I decided to teach arcanine dragon pulse over hyper voice for more coverage against dragon types (heat wave and scorching sands already deal with steel types)
cyan smelt
I just beat someone on showdown who was using dondozo and weezing gigas lmao
torn parrot
@bold geode if you remember this guy, jaysp
he constantly would defend a guy named Ray
yeah that was his alt account
he would basically use one account to defend his other like the pathetic little worm he was
i really didnt like him, he was annoying and a constant liar about everything he did competitive wise
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> if you remember this guy, jaysp
he constantly would defen...
Huh when did you get here
WAIT YOU WAS HERE
torn parrot
@chrome knot im sure you dont remember this either it was so long ago and insignificant but he did it with you too
torn parrot
WAIT YOU WAS HERE
yeah lol
bold geode
Oh well damn lmao
bold geode
You actually have proof or?
torn parrot
ye
torn parrot
one sec i cant send images
bold geode
@molten oasis you too bruh
bold geode
one sec i cant send images
DM em to me
cyan smelt
Goss lol
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> if you remember this guy, jaysp
he constantly would defen...
Right here
molten oasis
Oh, that guy
chrome knot
<@224303371564220418> im sure you dont remember this either it was so long ago a...
LMAO
molten oasis
So it was an alt, gtk
cyan smelt
I had him on block anyway because he was annoyingly smug and self righteous
molten oasis
Alr don’t ping me anymore monke im doing homework
Also @torn parrot how long have you been in this server?
torn parrot
XD yeah was stupid af
torn parrot
Also <@386594600464416780> how long have you been in this server?
hoenstly been here a while just didnt chat
molten oasis
Interesting
bold geode
Alr don’t ping me anymore monke im doing homework
I'm sorry man I had to show you
atomic portal
the dynamic shitheads did the same shit on another sv server
chrome knot
interesting
atomic portal
oh funniest shit is that
bold geode
God where is it I gotta have it somewhere
Wait so there's another guy not even affiliated with the one dude we knew and hated
atomic portal
bold geode
And he yoinked his name
atomic portal
and identity too
atomic portal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo_aA3wKN70
the real jaysp
random buff filipino dude
bold geode
BRO THE PFP HE HAD DOESN'T EVEN MATCH THE GUY ON THE FUCKING CHANNEL
cyan smelt
Why couldn't we have had the real jaysp in here
cyan smelt
So just a troll with nothing better to do?
dapper crag
Hey I saw on #rental_teams that you have to post non-ots, what does non-ot mean? Like not made by you?
bold geode
So just a troll with nothing better to do?
I mean yeah
atomic portal
Hey I saw on <#1054939051364462652> that you have to post non-ots, what does non...
ots open team sheets
bold geode
Hey I saw on <#1054939051364462652> that you have to post non-ots, what does non...
Non Open Team Sheets, essentially meaning show EVs on paste and everything
OTS basically shows everything except natures and EV spreads
dapper crag
ahh thanks guys 
bold geode
Yup
chrome knot
wish you didn’t draw attention to rentals channel
i did not want to read what i just read
bold geode
wish you didn’t draw attention to rentals channel
No plz
My shit is there
marble coral
wish you didn’t draw attention to rentals channel
you dont like the sauce I share? 😦
chrome knot
the most recent..
bold geode
Some stuff is just there lol
#rental_teams message
But since mine is back up a tiny bit, here
cyan smelt
I need to build my team and climb to masterball
marble coral
the most recent..
change the dnite moves and youre cooking
bold geode
I will never learn not to do that I stg
rustic mountain
I will never learn
marble coral
I will never learn
get that garbage out of here CEO of Rillapoop
bold geode
<:worryBilledCap:931692387326115870>
rustic mountain
lol
bold geode
get that garbage out of here CEO of Rillapoop
Sir plz I need to promote said garbage
chrome knot
change the dnite moves and youre cooking
i made prog stop using trick room call me mom.
IM the best
marble coral
Sir plz I need to promote said garbage
"bold and brash? more like belongs in the trash"
bold geode
i made prog stop using trick room call me mom.
Damn
What torture methods did you have to use?