May or may not have been influenced by Wolfe latest video š
#competitive_discussion
karmic temple
And pick an alternative to Lugia since itāll probably only allow one restricted
tired sage
just gonna say-
water spout isnāt doing anything if youāre not adding speed investments-
molten oasis
What is ludicolo doing there?
tired sage
What is ludicolo doing there?
i assume fake out surf for absorb bulb-?
real prairie
What is ludicolo doing there?
- favourite mon, 2) great rain Mon
real prairie
Is it tho?
Wolfe put it I think 5th in top water mons so ima say "yes"
tired sage
itāll die to bleakwinds everywhere 
molten oasis
Wolfe put it in top 5??? Over what???
tired sage
restricted hits, bleakwind 100% accuracy will be everywhere
real prairie
restricted hits, bleakwind 100% accuracy will be everywhere
Yeah torn is my Lugia alt š¤£
molten oasis
Also Iām ngl just because ONE PRO said itās top 5, does not mean thatās actually the case
Id assume heās saying like, in the past cuz itās not good right now
real prairie
Thing is it doesn't outspeed ludi in rain without TW though
tired sage
Yeah torn is my Lugia alt š¤£
iām saying-
ludicolo is donezos-
molten oasis
Also youād probably need more immediate speed control
real prairie
Anyway it's my favourite mon of all time and useable so I'm keeping lol
molten oasis
I donāt really get the Lugia
real prairie
I donāt really get the Lugia
Was just a restricted TW setter TBF, I'm not stuck with it
It'll likely end up being Torn
molten oasis
Just use torn
You COULD do Zacogre
I donāt think thatās going anywhere
And zacian is still very good imo
Itās still stacked stat wise
real prairie
Zacian is a good shout tbf
molten oasis
Also threatens uh, miraidon
real prairie
If it's 2 restricted mons
molten oasis
Which is going to be a major issue for rain
real prairie
Q is will restricted boost or drop Urshu usage
molten oasis
Itāll drop it
real prairie
It will pretty much kill PsySpam I think
real prairie
I expect a fair amount of Miridon usage
real prairie
I expect a fair amount of Miridon usage
If this is the case I'll also probably need to lose Amoongus
Not that I think anyone in here plays Unite competitively but
molten oasis
Uh huh, sure
tired sage
You COULD do Zacogre
zacian's ability is what will hinder it in sv imo
once per battle means no more defensive pivots w/ zacian
real prairie
It's previously been used in restricted as a counter to both Kyogre and Groudon though
real prairie
zacian's ability is what will hinder it in sv imo
once per battle means no more ...
Zacian got a nef?
tired sage
yeah-
knotty mirage
Probably for the best
upbeat quail
Whatās the best Dark Urshifu build for reg F?
supple ether
Tera dark; Wicked/sucker/CC/detect; sash
Tera poison; Wicked/sucker/cc/poison jab; choice scarf
Choice band I think also exists
Pikalytics has more info
upbeat quail
I was thinking about doing a focus sash set. What kind of EV spread do I want?
molten oasis
zacian's ability is what will hinder it in sv imo
once per battle means no more ...
I think it can get by without it tbh
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
true
molten oasis
Itās like proto boosts
tired sage
but it acted like a built in intim counter
molten oasis
Well it can still do that but only the first time it comes in
Kinda like how booster speed flutter can take an icy wind for free since itās so fast
real prairie
how long do freeze normally last?
molten oasis
Hahahahaha, as long as it feels like
There is no timer itās a really stupid mechanic imo
molten oasis
but it acted like a built in intim counter
Also, we know PokƩmon can live without their abilities
tired sage
thats fair
molten oasis
Look at hands. Hands effectively didnāt ever use itās ability
Fluttermane doesnāt need it either since it can explode everything with specs
I think Zac will be similar to proto and quark drive boosts just, not as much
Cuz Iām definitely using it and I have hopes for it. Iām guessing weāre going to only have 1 restricted at first then have 2 later on
nocturne holly
Cuz Iām definitely using it and I have hopes for it. Iām guessing weāre going to...
what
molten oasis
Thatās how the past has been
molten oasis
I believe the first restricted format is usually 1, then later it becomes 2
I think miraidon, Kyogre, koraidon, and maybe terapagos might be the common choices for the spot
tired sage
terapagos for sure-
korai might have to sit back or it would be a surgance in flutter usage again
molten oasis
terapagos for sure-
korai might have to sit back or it would be a surgance in fl...
I think korai flutter might be good into caly stuff
Flutter will want to outspeed, so you do specs and then give it sun to outspeed calyrex shadow
tired sage
no like opposing flutters for your korai...
that 4x fairy weakness is not helping
molten oasis
Ah, yea thatās fair
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
molten oasis
It has heavy slam itās fine
Worse case scenario you have to Tera or have a partner kill it
bold geode
Ayo
How many points now
next stump
436 I think
supple ether
Top 4 results
Damn throwback top 4. Dondozo, dragapult, iron hands, mausape
bold geode
436 I think
Oh he's close
next stump
yep š Iām trying to end top 8 in NA for the NAIC travel award, with that win Iām currently in 6th place
so Iām going to have to keep it up in my next few locals to hold on
bold geode
Lol
Get it
nocturne holly
436 I think
godddaamnnn
bold geode
Is the travel award for Worlds or?
nocturne holly
Dillon legit speedrunning worlds
next stump
Iād get $750 (or $1500 if I end in the top 4, but that not gonna happen) for playing one round of NAIC
which I already plan on going to, so itās a free $750
bold geode
Iād get $750 (or $1500 if I end in the top 4, but that not gonna happen) for pla...
Not with that attitude (you gonna win boy)
nocturne holly
Iād get $750 (or $1500 if I end in the top 4, but that not gonna happen) for pla...
Why do you get a free 750?
bold geode
Dillon, 2024 NAIC champion
Great ring to it
next stump
thatās just how travel awards work, there is a 2-3 month window and the best performing players during that window get a travel award
November 16th or something-April 7th
nocturne holly
woaaah
do you break even with that accounting for hotels and flights
next stump
this one is long AF
my flight was $300 so itāll definitely cover hotel + flight, with some leftover
real prairie
up to 1328 in Ubers testing this team: https://pokepast.es/df21092f5df0e50f
timber falcon
Spent the whole day grinding for some restricted mons for later, gosh dialogue is a pain but itās worth getting these beastsš„
real prairie
etern allowed in restricted?
timber falcon
No idea
Hopefully, it doesnāt seem as op as other restricted
And itās not mythic
real prairie
its hand form is a bit weird mind
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
real prairie
And im also a sucker for bulky mons
š¤
timber falcon
Very nice
timber falcon
its hand form is a bit weird mind
True but then agian we barely get to see that
Oh hold up doubles Ubers = restricted mon practice???
Might actually have to test that format out
real prairie
Slapped a few arceus so I don't mind š¤£
timber falcon
What are the restrictions?
real prairie
Dupe item was a bit of a surprise to me though, faced someone with 4 sash mons lol
timber falcon
Dupe item was a bit of a surprise to me though, faced someone with 4 sash mons l...
Ah.
real prairie
It's not common though, most people I played were sensible
real prairie
real prairie
Oh ok very nice. I might cook up a Groudon eruption team
I lost to a team with 3 sun setters lol, koridon, Groudon and prankster set Tornadus
timber falcon
Lmao bro REALLY wanted that sun š
real prairie
It worked though, completely shut down my rain
timber falcon
The art of legeandary collection (Iām scared I wonāt have the ones I need for restricted format
timber falcon
It worked though, completely shut down my rain
Yeah that could also be a prob for me, might run rayquaza for neutral games
Or just a no weather team
real prairie
Yeah that could also be a prob for me, might run rayquaza for neutral games
Could run Groudon, koridon, torkoal š¤£
Have torkoal as a helping hands support sun setter
timber falcon
Is this allowing fusions?
real prairie
Quite funny watching trick room teams cry when I double into them with muddy water + water spout
real prairie
Is this allowing fusions?
No idea
timber falcon
Quite funny watching trick room teams cry when I double into them with muddy wat...
Used to run imprison tr smeargle (in cts theyāll never ever see it coming)
Whilst gholdengo got a free set up
real prairie
Used to run imprison tr smeargle (in cts theyāll never ever see it coming)
Seems like something easy to counter in theory in a open teamsheets format
Not that Ubers is open ts
But in general
real prairie
Not a bad idea, could even do that with flutter TBF, moonblast, shadow ball, imprison, trick room
Shut down TR and opp flutter
timber falcon
Not a bad idea, could even do that with flutter TBF, moonblast, shadow ball, imp...
Lost to that yesterday and omg I was pissed
The one time Iām using tr team
real prairie
Haha I run imprison flutter but not with TR although that's a cool idea
Can frigy learn imprison?
timber falcon
Yeah I run it
real prairie
š¤
Anyway it's 1am here, will carry on in Ubers tomorrow try break into the top 500 in ladder šŖ
(1499 gets me there)
shell sandal
man can someone tell me how the fuck am I supposed to beat the minimize alolan muk team š¤¦āāļø
ive been raging all evening encountering them
crude pollen
Clear smog resets and can't miss, so add a Amoongus with it to avoid rage powder and spore too
shell sandal
Clear smog resets and can't miss, so add a Amoongus with it to avoid rage powder...
i mean i cant j change my vgc team tho
tired sage
just wanna point out that in restricted, terapagos is gonna be really good-
but stellar-pagos' ability is garbage xD
its just cloud nine all over again
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/7c6470d02a7e46d7 thoughts on a 6th
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/7c6470d02a7e46d7 thoughts on a 6th
redirection maybe?
or firepon maybe
shell sandal
https://pokepast.es/7c6470d02a7e46d7 thoughts on a 6th
you could potentially swap the urshifu out for the rapid strike form and then add in a tornadus
molten oasis
Iām not doing tornshifu, I also donāt like a sudden massive weakness to raging bolt
Which is what that does
shell sandal
you could rebuild archaludon to counter that tbh but if ur not wanting tornshifu, then you could also add either flutter mane or lando
tired sage
https://pokepast.es/7c6470d02a7e46d7 thoughts on a 6th
what about gambit?
gambit is always a reliable 6th
but like an iron head set maybe instead of kowtow sucker :0
cause in terms of trick room, you kinda fall short for psyspam trickrooms...
molten oasis
you could rebuild archaludon to counter that tbh but if ur not wanting tornshifu...
Archaludon doesnāt counter bolt
tired sage
but thats just imo
molten oasis
And uh, not adding flutter, and ig lando i maybe
molten oasis
but like an iron head set maybe instead of kowtow sucker :0
4 fighting weaknesses?
molten oasis
Archaludon, incin, oh shit
shell sandal
i mean with good incineroar play it wont be too bad
molten oasis
I already have 3, maybe Archaludon is not it
molten oasis
Donāt, āgood playā isnāt an answer to an incomplete team
tired sage
arch is arch...
it does its own thing and does it well xD
karmic temple
Fari might be good
molten oasis
If it was finished then sure
But itās not, so that doesnāt apply here as much
And at -1 bolt still does a lot of damage
Iām like 90% sure it can still kill rapid strike
Not that it gives a shit about tornshifu
shell sandal
salamence tera steel is a good addition then
or wait nvm not if ur looking for bolt counters
what am I saying
molten oasis
Double intimidate, and yes not that
karmic temple
Double intim is not the move
shell sandal
i run double intim sometimes, my team has 2 intimidators but i am running empoleon croak with pon, they are both used situationally
i dont think ive ever used salamence and hisui arcanine in the same game tho
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/8609eef4cad95451 thought about it, Iāll prob use bolt over Archa
Anyway
And weāre saying if I did tornshifu and, yea no weāre not doing tornshifu
shell sandal
aww
my team absolutely kills tornshifu, i only have really struggled against gimmick teams like the minimize muk one
its actually impossible to deal with
tired sage
all the ones iām thinking areā¦
stupid but iāll spit a few out anyways.
if youāre running arch maybe a supporting howl fire?
molten oasis
all the ones iām thinking areā¦
stupid but iāll spit a few out anyways.
if youāre...
Ig you missed that
Gouging fire isnāt for me
molten oasis
Iāve tried so hard to learn and pilot it, I donāt understand it, i donāt get it
So Iām just not using gouging fire
and weāre placing bolt over Archa rn
tired sage
is waterpon a no go?
molten oasis
Uhm
tired sage
ok no ignore me
molten oasis
I mean no
molten oasis
Iām not worried about iron bundle
Itās not prevalent in the meta rn
We can do waterpon Iām just not fond of the type overlap
shell sandal
have u tested on showdown yet
solid stratus
Anyone got a good spread for modest nature Fluttermane?
shell sandal
or are you just theorizing
molten oasis
have u tested on showdown yet
Iāve tested rilla and Prima before
https://pokepast.es/c0ae451d365a52ad this is the last team I used when playing with this primarina set
shell sandal
if you really want a fun pokemon to play with, you could always run tera dragon dragapult
molten oasis
Then learned I canāt pilot gouging fire
molten oasis
if you really want a fun pokemon to play with, you could always run tera dragon ...
If I did that Iād run pao, cuz thatās how you run pult in this economy
shell sandal
really?
molten oasis
Yes
shell sandal
wouldnt that make it super susceptible to flutter
molten oasis
Thatās not necessarily true
Pult and flutter have a weird mu into eachother
On one hand flutter can gleam and wipe out pult and bring pao to sash
molten oasis
However you DO PHYSICAL BANDED PULT
Pult is naturally faster than flutter, so you can phantom force into it and always pick up that ko
shell sandal
well phantom force is super ez to play around
molten oasis
Let me finish my explanations
shell sandal
sorry
molten oasis
There is 0 reason to run special pult
You run banded next to pao or you run screens wisp
shell sandal
There is 0 reason to run special pult
there is one reason
molten oasis
well phantom force is super ez to play around
Sure, thatās why people also do Tera ghost Tera blast
tired sage
We can do waterpon Iām just not fond of the type overlap
well if anything the best type to overlap is water no?
molten oasis
there is one reason
There just isnāt unless you run gimmicks with coalossal
molten oasis
well if anything the best type to overlap is water no?
Flying weaknesses
shell sandal
just maybeeee i got a recluse marked aprishiny for pult š¤·āāļø
tired sage
You run banded next to pao or you run screens wisp
screens wisp
tired sage
Flying weaknesses
true true
shell sandal
and i absolutely need to run it or else
molten oasis
Thats something that exists
molten oasis
and i absolutely need to run it or else
Banded pult, pao, entei, fluttermane, torn shifu ig
You run pult on HO teams
shell sandal
anyway, ur pfp makes me think that you could fit hydrapple into your team somehow
molten oasis
Iāve already got a Hydrapple team, not fitting that here
Itās a rental if you want to check it out
shell sandal
alr il look in the rental chat
tired sage
drago drago-
what do you think about iron hands clear amulet sd set?
shell sandal
man i keep losing ing
molten oasis
Weāre testing Fari rn
Dengo is something Iāll keep in mind but I like redirection for dengo
Which I donāt have
And I just donāt think hands is worth running, and again we have bolt
tired sage
mm thats fair.
i was thinking specs dango
molten oasis
Maybe, Iāll consider it
tired sage
wait can anyone give me suggestions on my suicune EV spread?
EVs: 164 HP / 196 Def / 28 SpA / 36 SpD / 84 Spe
the more important calcs i did for this one is itll live a horn leech from wellspring, a roll with wood hammer from a 132+ atk rilla, 252+ Atk Tera Grass Ogerpon-Teal-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 164 HP / 196+ Def Suicune: 164-196 (83.6 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO and that thing-
kindred cypress
wait can anyone give me suggestions on my suicune EV spread?
EVs: 164 HP / 196 D...
Is that the most common one? Cause Iāve ran a few and they preform well
tired sage
Is that the most common one? Cause Iāve ran a few and they preform well
no-
i made that myself
kindred cypress
If you go to pikalytics there is a spread, could be similar to yours
tired sage
If you go to pikalytics there is a spread, could be similar to yours
i go to pikalytics and all i see are max max spreads
kindred cypress
Why is this so true
molten oasis
Facts
shell sandal
is being 11-11 on the in game ladder bad
charred saddle
However you DO PHYSICAL BANDED PULT
i think like theres some pult also still goes for ghost tera blast to pick quick ko to flutter too
but yeah, tera to ghost makes it really open to sucker punch
gambit and pao stuffs
molten oasis
I think thatās why they run with Fari
charred saddle
yeah that makes a lot of sense
molten oasis
So theyāre less prone to prio spam
charred saddle
but even then pult by itsef is also frail
and ghost terablast dont get a lot of ko to common mons i think
since its neutral
charred saddle
is being 11-11 on the in game ladder bad
generally no, especially if its CTS, its bery volatile on the team sets and you do have to get lucky on MUs,
but then it depends on your goal ig
thats what i think at least, but would i like to see 11-11? hell no
oh and like low elo also usually uses a weird team, and so it makes it even more volatile, and its bo1 too so ye
fluid wind
https://pokepast.es/477b524cb75c5111 been doing so good with this team so far and i been having fun with it
charred saddle
the higher the elo usually its more of a common set, but even then, theres a lot of common sets,
like if u see mane, theres like a lot of common manes set there
fluid wind
https://pokepast.es/477b524cb75c5111 been doing so good with this team so far an...
also it funny just with hisu deci just killing gholdengo lol
shell sandal
thats what i think at least, but would i like to see 11-11? hell no
when u say you wouldnt like to see it, you mean like in the sense that you wouldnt want to be 11-11 or that you wouldnt want to play someone 11-11
i mean im 17-12 now anyway so š¤£
next stump
are you 11-11 in masterball tier
shell sandal
nah ultra ball tier
im trying to push up but there are so many teams I never even seen before ein vgc
random comps with smeargle strats be like
next stump
17-12 is not a bad record at all, especially if itās your first season
shell sandal
yea its my first day playing on the gam
tired sage
11-11 is like being set back to zero but its a good start
mighty stump
random comps with smeargle strats be like
Boy do I have an informational post for you
Damn I cant remove embeds on mobile
tired sage
hello :0
mighty stump
What do you need?
rose ruin
If I have a adamant dragonnite with dragon dance active and max speed would he be fater then most meta PokƩmon
tired sage
oop tofu is here
mighty stump
-calc 132x1.5
gentle cragBOT
Result: 198.000000
mighty stump
He would still be slower than Flutter Mane and Chien-Pao if they're Timid/Jolly respectively
mighty stump
Yes, and Spectrier, but that's not something to worry about.
tired sage
you would be slower than lilli under sun but i wouldnāt worry much unless youāre gonna get sleep powdered 
rose ruin
Cuss I was thinking about a adamant Dragonite with multi scale first turn use dragon dance then I would be like 1 shoting ppl kinda like a myku the ghost Pikachu thing lol
Like when he used sword dance takes the free hit then he hits hard
mighty stump
Just make sure you're using Clear Amulet to not lose your boosts from Intimidate cycling.
mighty stump
No. Not a bad idea.
mighty stump
Steel/Fly
rose ruin
Got you Ty
mighty stump
If you run Tera Fly, you need Tera Blast as well.
tired sage
i was gonna suggest assault vest but i forgot that thereās dd
rose ruin
I think Iām gonna go steel I was thinking fary but it makes no sense right
mighty stump
Fairy is okay if you're worried about Darkshifu but Steel/Tera Fly means you can threaten fairies better with Iron Head/Strong STAB
real prairie
i mean i cant j change my vgc team tho
Taunt it early with flutter and rinse it
rose ruin
Fairy is okay if you're worried about Darkshifu but Steel/Tera Fly means you can...
Thanks
dull ibex
Hello
charred saddle
yellow?
mighty stump
anj lu
supple ether
Green
mighty stump
gk imlek lagi gw blh jahat skrg
I was gonna promote my new blog post to Red cause I vaguely remember him feeling lost about Reg F
dull ibex
š
charred saddle
gk imlek lagi gw blh jahat skrg
ha? cny 2 hari bro
mighty stump
ha? cny 2 hari bro
9-10
mighty stump
malamnya
crimson flume
Is there a good way of countering tatsu - dozo / liligant torkoal with my team
Chien Pao - Dnite; Indeedee-f - Iron crown; Incineroar - Flutter mane?
I struggle against those two pairing the most.
cyan smelt
You can always put haze on chien Pao but then it has 4 move slot syndrome lol
crimson flume
What does haze do?
dull ibex
I might edit my sun team a bit at some point
cyan smelt
I have my own way of dealing with dozo-giri, I usually set up tr first then send out rilla so it's basically locked into order up, then send out clodsire to haze away its boosts
dull ibex
I've been hyperfixating on stardew valley
cyan smelt
If it's not tera steel I poison it so it can't heal
dull ibex
I was gonna promote my new blog post to Red cause I vaguely remember him feeling...
I do think I should settle on sun team
crimson flume
I have my own way of dealing with dozo-giri, I usually set up tr first then send...
Locked into order up? What ability does rilla have that allows that restriction?
cyan smelt
Grassy terrain nerfs the power of earthquake
mighty stump
Is there a good way of countering tatsu - dozo / liligant torkoal with my team
...
Just run Clear Smog with Torkoal
Oh
Nevermind
The team just looks like it's too paired up to actually be flexible enough to account for more matchups
With that team you're just hopping to nuke Dozo down with Sacred Sword + Flutter
mighty stump
I do think I should settle on sun team
Yeah but settle and then what
Like build upon it or
dull ibex
Learn how to play sun effectively in late meta
dull ibex
Like build upon it or
Yeah kinda
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/1901061eb5e7c257 i think ive finally nailed my howl team, or is there still need for improvement?
maybe gambit should get low kick in place of swords dance?
timber falcon
I have my own way of dealing with dozo-giri, I usually set up tr first then send...
Clodsire in vgc?
cyan smelt
I only bring it to deal with dozo-giri
timber falcon
What abt amoongus?
cyan smelt
Already have rilla
timber falcon
Ah ok
cyan smelt
Also clear smog doesn't work if they tera steel
cyan smelt
It's also decent into ogerpon
timber falcon
Water absorb clodisre?
cyan smelt
Yeah but most of the time they use horn leech
cyan smelt
Can haze away howl boosts too
runic eagle
whats the best environments (weather, terrain, hazards) to set up and why? explain like im 5 pls. i saw wolfe talking about rain being broken and i dont understand why.
timber falcon
Gulps*
timber falcon
whats the best environments (weather, terrain, hazards) to set up and why? expla...
Depends purely on mons u wanna use
cyan smelt
DW I'm pretty sure I'm the only person using clodsire
timber falcon
Although sun and rain is more common
timber falcon
DW I'm pretty sure I'm the only person using clodsire
Itās a great choice against Tr teams having the same speed as torkoal
cyan smelt
Torkoal still nukes it
runic eagle
Depends purely on mons u wanna use
I mean what sees the most use in vgc?
cyan smelt
Rain ATM with archaludon
runic eagle
I know Iron Hands setting up the electric terrain for itself is good
runic eagle
Rain ATM with archaludon
how does archaludon benefit from rain?
cyan smelt
Electro shot becomes one turn instead of two
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
runic eagle
(none of these questions are sarcastic i just know nothing about anything)
timber falcon
This is how it benefits
runic eagle
oh thats wild
cyan smelt
Archaludon rain is busted
runic eagle
no wonder he said rain was broken, electro shot already swept my team
timber falcon
Yeah archaludon is tough to deal with if ur not prepared
runic eagle
are there any common counters to it?
timber falcon
Idk about common but lando-i could also cause it lots of trouble
runic eagle
chunks???
cyan smelt
Does a lot of damage with neutral Moonblast
runic eagle
ohh i see.
i know very basic competitive terms. sweeper, glass cannon, wall, tr, etc.
runic eagle
ursaluna with bulletproof is already good because it becomes immune to like 10 supereffective moves
runic eagle
huh? why?
timber falcon
Guts
timber falcon
Use guts and flame orb
runic eagle
i mean casually, not competitively
runic eagle
i know, i just brought it up because i know ursaluna to be good from my experience using it, as ive made clear im unfamiliar with competitive
thats why im trying to learn
cyan smelt
Ursaluna next to lunar blessing cresselia is difficult to stop
mighty stump
Theres tons of resources in the pins to go through as a start, paying a visit to things like vgcguide.com and CybertronVGC for both fundamentals and teams to look through
Afterwards I recommend visiting the team-repository to find a rental you would potentially enjoy using as teambuilding as a newcomer isn';t recommended
runic eagle
am i still allowed to ask questions?
mighty stump
Yes?
timber falcon
Ursaluna next to lunar blessing cresselia is difficult to stop
Lost to lunar blessing spam and amnesia registeel + iron defence yesterday. Nothing I couldāve done
Now I run dark ursh
Also is cresilia only viable on tr teams???
mighty stump
No
timber falcon
What type can it also be run on
mighty stump
Cresselia can also be on Balance teams/support bulky offence to keep momentum up.
timber falcon
Ah I see, so like comfee but without triage and more bulky?
cyan smelt
Comfey is so good
timber falcon
Floral healing goes brrrrr
mighty stump
Incoming Comfey release post soon
timber falcon
Incoming Comfey release post soon
cyan smelt
Floral healing, synthesis and draining kiss is what I see most
timber falcon
Yep
timber falcon
No way lmao
timber falcon
Thatās actually wild
They have no correlation to wind except scyther
By the way comfee leaves a lot of options for weakness policy sweeps doesnāt it?
But Iām not seeing any, is it a bad idea?
mighty stump
Meh, I don't like WP but it's not invalid.
mighty stump
No ones watching Dortmund?
crimson flume
I just realized. I'm pretty insane for trying to find someone who is sane enough to trade raging bolt in #trading_sv lmao.
Raging bolt is one of the most meta mons in competitive out there.
I'll be pretty lucky if I find someone.
I think the only electric dragon that outdamages raging bolt is miraidon himself.
Who is still banned in competitive.
tired sage
hate to break it to ya but thereās not many electric dragons to start off with-
crimson flume
Yeah.
tired sage
and in the right conditions, zerkrom can out-damage our long necked friend
crimson flume
Not sure who else is more meta than raging bolt in electric typing, and who is legal for competitive.
crimson flume
and in the right conditions, zerkrom can out-damage our long necked friend
Is he allowed in VGC?
tired sage
oh theyāll be legal soon enoughā¦
weāre headed towards restricted even tho i despise that format
cyan smelt
Draining kiss comfey + wp Zekrom about to come back
tired sage
Draining kiss comfey + wp Zekrom about to come back
isnāt fusion bolt do like double damage if fusion flare was use before/?
cyan smelt
Yeah
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
yeah thatās a-
200 base power physical electric type move
cyan smelt
Kyurem black is insane
knotty mirage
I just realized. I'm pretty insane for trying to find someone who is sane enough...
Good thing i buy scarlet i guess
tough idol
Just in time for Top Cut
crimson flume
Still trying to make it to great ball tier lmao
Hope the next people I run into are weak against psy spam
cyan smelt
Watch it be muk smeargle
crimson flume
If that's the case I'll start playing other games while playing the match lmao.
And set an alarm clock beside me. hahaha.
tired sage
Hope the next people I run into are weak against psy spam
ooo whatās the team :0
cyan smelt
Muk smeargle is so corny
crimson flume
Yeah it's the most annoying gimmick team
Best way to counter it is not killing the smeargle.
tired sage
muk smeagle can go burn in hell-
crimson flume
And killing the smeargle before the clock is up
tired sage
itās the sole reason why i run clear smog on my sunroom team
cyan smelt
But they force you to target the smeargle with follow me
tired sage
althoughā¦
you can just taunt with a faster mon whoa :0
knotty mirage
Or use blood moon ursa
tired sage
iād rather run clear smog thanks
cyan smelt
Landorus in rain also ignores accuracy
tired sage
Landorus in rain also ignores accuracy
tera flying :0
knotty mirage
iād rather run clear smog thanks
Tera steel
cyan smelt
Tera poison lando I sandsear storm
real prairie
calm mind spam terapagos is fucking evil
knotty mirage
Never really experience that yet
tired sage
Tera steel
iāve never seen tera steel muk-
what benefit do you get asides from being shat on by urshifu
knotty mirage
I seen multiple people use it
cyan smelt
I wonder if smeargle muk and dozo giri people ever play each other
knotty mirage
I mean what you gonna try to hit it with
real prairie
š¤£
tired sage
Same as with tera steel dozo
but with dozo it also resists grass and what not-
so it makes sense
tired sage
I mean what you gonna try to hit it with
i present-
booster speed scream tail with taunt
dapper crag
SableyeBot version 4.25.1
tired sage
oh taunt can miss :0
knotty mirage
Uh
tired sage
whatever if youāre faster you can taunt first-
and no muk isnāt immune cause itās not prankster taunt
cyan smelt
Doesn't smeargle have fake out
tough idol
Smeargle can learn everything lol
knotty mirage
tired sage
Doesn't smeargle have fake out
then encore lock the smeargle
knotty mirage
Well muk already do minimize for a turn then
tired sage
thatās fine-
itās better to not be screwed by a +1029473947474 minimize than just 1
tired sage
just taunt the smeargle and it's locked to fake out
uh-
fake out is a damaging move not a status move
grizzled bronze
yeah
tired sage
taunt canāt block fake out
grizzled bronze
so locked to fake out
tired sage
OHHHHHH
tough idol
uh-
fake out is a damaging move not a status move <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
Prevents Follow Me etc
tired sage
watch it pull out some random BS like aeroblast
cyan smelt
Or just roar the smeargle, then power of alchemy doesn't get moody
knotty mirage
Just use blood moon tbh and something that one shot smeargle if you want to deal with muk minimize moody team
tired sage
i love myself some:
-6 priority moves hehe
grizzled bronze
watch it pull out some random BS like aeroblast <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
from a 20 spa? sure
knotty mirage
cyan smelt
Roar is a great way to stop tr
tired sage
from a 20 spa? sure
no i know xD
i was joking around-
tired sage
Roar is a great way to stop tr
spore is better imo-
cyan smelt
Indeedee has follow me to redirect spore away from tr setter
tired sage
then same with your logic-
indeedee has follow me to redirect roar away from the tr setter-
cyan smelt
Roar away indeedee, attack tr setter
knotty mirage
If i want to give taunt to incin is it better to replace parting shot or knock off ?
cyan smelt
Oh wait nvm
grizzled bronze
not foolproof
tired sage
Roar away indeedee, attack tr setter
roar will go before tr but after everyone else
cyan smelt
Follow me goes before roar
tough idol
Imprison is my go to
tired sage
itās -6 prio soā¦
gl with that
tired sage
Imprison is my go to
Just-
learn to read tr and use your own tr /j
imprison is a good failsafe
knotty mirage
The problem with taunt is it can be redirected
tired sage
as well as mental herbāØ
cyan smelt
Don't cresselias usually run rocky helmet
tired sage
helm, goggles, herb
tired sage
It really fell off
no not reallyā¦
itās just chilling in the back rn
polar canyon
It's no longer the best psyspam option but still a good one
tired sage
Not sure if it still runs min speed
31 spe quiet to under speed things but outspeed incin for a meteor beam to the face
cyan smelt
Glimmora does it better
polar canyon
Clearly a bad option because you're gonna take a very tiny bit more damage from foul play compared to modest
I think glimmora is a bit different
tired sage
Clearly a bad option because you're gonna take a very tiny bit more damage from ...
foul play exists in the meta-?
iāve never seen it in gen 9 regF
polar canyon
Isn't meteor beam more of an utility move for armarouge?
To ko incineroar/ get a boost then go back to spamming psychic
tired sage
Isn't meteor beam more of an utility move for armarouge?
yeah-
and that boost is better than lorb
grizzled bronze
there was a tera stellar arma in stream lol
grizzled bronze
did so much damage
polar canyon
The good kinda silly
There's gotta be more good stellar tera users
I feel like it's underappreciated
knotty mirage
Don't cresselias usually run rocky helmet
I actually run mental herb on cresselia because the rocky helmet is on indeedee
grizzled bronze
yeah
knotty mirage
My incin have the google
polar canyon
Cress always felt like a gamble when it was popular
Because it's either immune to spore or to taunt
With closed team sheet that is
knotty mirage
Well i only play on in game ranked so yeah
tired sage
People are gonna be shocked when it's neither
and what-
specs?
tired sage
helmet is decently popular
tough idol
The flinch clincher 
polar canyon
I should be watching
But I tuned in and waited 5 minutes and no game started so I gave up
mighty stump
Patience š
grizzled bronze
the grassy terrain was so huge
polar canyon
I'll just watch when it's over so I can skip to the good parts
I don't mind spoilers
Who won the entire thing btw
tough idol
Still in Top 8
polar canyon
Excuses
bold geode
What happened
mighty stump
Are you watching
bold geode
Yeah but I missed
mighty stump
Just a double crit in a row on the same turn
Eric made the perfect call but got RNG'd
bold geode
Damn
grizzled bronze
i dont think that was the right play
bold geode
Oh shit
mighty stump
Yeah, he choked
Lol
Horn Leech might have been enough to just boost the HP out of range of Tera Blast KO
grizzled bronze
what a choke lmao
real prairie
@timber falcon goodnight! https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2056867716
bold geode
DAMN
tired sage
what did i just watch-
karmic temple
Me trying to listen to the stream through my walls
grizzled bronze
we're so back
bold geode
Bro
mighty stump
Eric was in a weird spot
Very well played
That double switch went hard
Eric is almost always happy to trade Kommo-o for Flutter cause he never has to tera there
timber falcon
<@1054487991252422768> goodnight! https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9double...
Ong scarf kyogre is gonna haunt my dreams
Also is there a tournament on?
timber falcon
Whoās winning atm? I canāt tell
grizzled bronze
pretty neutral so far
timber falcon
Okidoki
woeful epoch
I feel like Nick has the moral lead
timber falcon
Yeah heās done some heavy damage
grizzled bronze
ok i think nick is doing work now
woeful epoch
turn 1
karmic temple
Nick is really putting in some pressure
mighty stump
Im confused why he always just tends to Tera Ting-Lu to be honest
timber falcon
Was it cause of flutter by any chance?
mighty stump
Like you can't really commit a Tera until you remove a piece
karmic temple
Comfort Tera
bold geode
Yeah
Don't gain much other than not getting OHKO'D by Oger
karmic temple
Rip eric
grizzled bronze
ggs
bold geode
Well Tofu look on the bright side
Gouging Fire moves on
timber falcon
Specs flutter shenanigans
karmic temple
LMFAO nick
bold geode
2 more sets for Nick
C'mon WE NEED IT
karmic temple
He looks so stressed
mighty stump
I mean
grizzled bronze
lets go gouging
mighty stump
You're playing a top player thats running a comfortable, unique team
Who wouldn't be stressed out of their mind
GGs Nick
timber falcon
Nerves of steel
I cower at the sight of ting lu š
mighty stump
Iām kidding Iād fold like a chair
BUT AT LEAST ITS A STEEL CHAIR
timber falcon
I cower at the sight of ting lu š
Bulky snarl cow
bold geode
Mines wooden 
bold geode
Bulky snarl cow
Um ackshually it's a moose
bold geode
Actually yeah lol
karmic temple
Was this game 1 of the day or how many more have I missed
mighty stump
G3
karmic temple
O rip I was snoozin hard
mighty stump
You missed a choke of the century, into the 2 game reverse sweep
grizzled bronze
so many insane plays in this regionals so far
timber falcon
And Iāve missed all of em 
bold geode
You missed a choke of the century, into the 2 game reverse sweep
Bro really pulled out Uno reverse card
timber falcon
Ima go to the start of the match to see what this reverse sweep is about
mighty stump
2 game reverse sweep as in he won the set after dropping game 1
timber falcon
Guess Iāll start g2 then
grizzled bronze
game 1 still worth watching to see the choke
timber falcon
Okidoki
real prairie
did he turn down an interview? lol
grizzled bronze
more learning resources yippiee
bold geode
Tofu y'know what's been killing me now
The fact now Yuta is doing the Heian Era meme thing
tough idol
did he turn down an interview? lol
He got interviewed right before Top Cut lol
karmic temple
Tofu y'know what's been killing me now
The fact now Yuta is doing the Heian Era ...
We love jjk
timber falcon
Peak
real prairie
its a shame the trophies are so tacky, but i guess the prize money makes up for it lol
timber falcon
I didnāt even know there were trophies
karmic temple
Well tbf the prizes are only like 8k for masters
tough idol
6
timber falcon
In dollars?
karmic temple
Ah even worse
real prairie
I didnāt even know there were trophies
timber falcon
š
karmic temple
Yes. So it makes sense the trophyās gonna look like they only cost a couple hundred
timber falcon
Yes. So it makes sense the trophyās gonna look like they only cost a couple hund...
They look like smth from a toy shop
karmic temple
Ya
timber falcon
But maybe the card has value?
grizzled bronze
i mean it is what it is
real prairie
id rather have one of these lol
next stump
those cards have insane value
timber falcon
those cards have insane value
I can guess they do
next stump
first place worlds card I think would easily be 10k+
timber falcon
Yeah but who in their right mind gonna sell that beauty
Heck if I won one of those Iād consider my life successful š
mighty stump
those cards have insane value
Dude I wish I could buy the Yokohama Jersey
real prairie
imagine winning, getting it graded and its like a 6 lol
bold geode
Oh yeah I want Yokohama jersey
But it's probably a lot
mighty stump
Wouldn't even bother grading it, it's priceless considering theres only a handful
It'll retain it's value so well
and per year/even more limited
timber falcon
Yeah but whatās the point of even trading/selling it
mighty stump
Oh yeah I want Yokohama jersey
But it's probably a lot
Found one for 256 USD
timber falcon
The sentimental value gotta be insane
mighty stump
Lol
bold geode
Found one for 256 USD
How much is Yotam's? I'll buy his lmao
real prairie
mighty stump
Sounds about right
timber falcon
Goodlord
mighty stump
If I could get half a year's salary off a card despite the sentimental value
Lol
But maybe that';s just me, cause I prefer practical items
bold geode
Bro
Imma buy the plaques off Etsy š
mighty stump
š
bold geode
Wasn't MDB at Dortmund? How'd he do
grizzled bronze
i feel like it's not even worth it cause you didn't earn it for yourself
mighty stump
I mean
grizzled bronze
the feeling of getting that thing cant be replicated
mighty stump
Collection is a different matter entirely though
For them the achievement is owning it
grizzled bronze
fair
mighty stump
Not winning it
bold geode
Farigiraf could be nice here
timber falcon
.
real prairie
But maybe that';s just me, cause I prefer practical items
depends on your circumstances, if you take off as a content creator / blogger after a win and you have the income you dont need to sell and its a retainable asset
bold geode
Only thing clicking priority against Farigiraf is Hearthflame
timber falcon
Only thing clicking priority against Farigiraf is Hearthflame
Unless u a dumbass like me
And try sucker punch it
mighty stump
depends on your circumstances, if you take off as a content creator / blogger af...
True, but also I know myself that I might end up losing it/damaging it depending on my circumstance lmaoo
grizzled bronze
happens
bold geode
True, but also I know myself that I might end up losing it/damaging it depending...
Me AF frfr
real prairie
Winning worlds = salary? š
the prize money is just under a years salary for me so i couldnt exactly not work for a year in hopes of grinding to win lol
timber falcon
True, but also I know myself that I might end up losing it/damaging it depending...
Idk about it u but Iād lock that thing in a vault lmao, and if I ever need some money bad itās going
mighty stump
Idk about it u but Iād lock that thing in a vault lmao, and if I ever need some ...
I'm sentimental I just don't like having things "sitting there"
grizzled bronze
tera stellar bolt in stream
timber falcon
I guess itās up to preference, I shiny hunt a lot and have quite a bit just sitting there and are never gonna move. But I like to look at em and go āyeah thatās niceā
mighty stump
Stellar Bolt
timber falcon
Sheesh
grizzled bronze
bolt looks so magnificent lmao
mighty stump
I thikn Florian still has the momentum though
bold geode
Amazing trade
timber falcon
bolt looks so magnificent lmao
Indeed
But bolt is in a rly bad position here
And itās gone
real prairie
its difficult to watch when you cant read the move names lol
bold geode
Did Farigiraf not have Dazzling?
bold geode
Why did he go for Psychic earlier with Gleam?
timber falcon
The ultimate balance that is unseen fist
timber falcon
Why did he go for Psychic earlier with Gleam?
Maybe he wanted max damage output
bold geode
Why would Urshifu Sucker there lmao
timber falcon
Praying for a choke?
grizzled bronze
you cant choke that
bold geode
No, casters were like "did Urshifu Sucker?" like why would it ever there
timber falcon
Praying for a missclick?
timber falcon
No, casters were like "did Urshifu Sucker?" like why would it ever there
They said smth about icicle crash flinch but it wasnāt gonna do anything anyway
grizzled bronze
hope for infinite flinch š
bold geode
Uh oh
Bruh this TR setup is so free
woeful epoch
Where there's a flinch, there's a way
karmic temple
Sergio
timber falcon
Where there's a flinch, there's a way
Iāve just had a flashback to when I lost to tailwind serence grace dudunsparce
Blood moon ursa oh no
Goodness
grizzled bronze
tera normal sweep time
timber falcon
Itās gotta be protect
karmic temple
Sergio I believe in you
grizzled bronze
damn incin too good
karmic temple
Dw sergio if you lose ill comfort you and those big arms
timber falcon
damn incin too good
Incin the un OHKOable
bold geode
Me when the Ursa clicks EP into Bolt
grizzled bronze
uh oh
mighty stump
That's a paper Rillaboom
timber falcon
goodness
bold geode
Why did he Draco the Incin though lmao
mighty stump
He wanted to remove Farigiraf
timber falcon
Why did he Draco the Incin though lmao
It was supposed to be farig
mighty stump
Just look at his brings
bold geode
That's a paper Rillaboom
True
Also you're telling me your Rilla can survive a Tera Normal Life Orb Blood Moon?
karmic temple
U.U Sergio
timber falcon
Florian with the double tr sweep
grizzled bronze
damn the sweep is real
timber falcon
Raging bolt bully
mighty stump
True
Also you're telling me your Rilla can survive a Tera Normal Life Orb Blood ...
252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Normal Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 169-200 (81.6 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
Are you saying yours cant?
lol
Why does Sergio not hahve an Ursaluna MU
karmic temple
Why does Sergio have to live over seas
timber falcon
Fr twice in a row is wild
grizzled bronze
oh well
karmic temple
Ok Iām done simping
mighty stump
Why does Sergio have to live over seas
I thought yo had a boyfriend
grizzled bronze
bm kicking ass as usual
karmic temple
I can have a second one !!
mighty stump
gross
karmic temple
He doesnāt have to know
timber falcon
I can have a second one !!
bold geode
252+ SpA Life Orb Tera-Normal Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 252 HP / 92+ SpD...
You mean ours
That Reddit thing wasn't there fuck
mighty stump
Wonder if Ursaluna can actually take a regional for once
bold geode
Absolutely
grizzled bronze
i think max hp is standard lol
timber falcon
Oh lol I never did this
woeful epoch
252 hp 252 atk is standard isn't it?
bold geode
No
karmic temple
No
timber falcon
252 hp 252 atk is standard isn't it?
Where the spdef
karmic temple
I go 196 hp 252 atk 60 speed bc im too lazy to fix it from swsh
polar canyon
I should really get a spread that I know what each stat is for instead of copying spreads tbh
Autocorrect is weird
woeful epoch
Ah, I see
grizzled bronze
calcing spread is pretty painful but worth it in the end
timber falcon
Oh wait, does anyone have any sets for grassy seed rilla?
mighty stump
Calcing is ezpz
polar canyon
Miracle seed adamant 252 252 ez
timber falcon
calcing spread is pretty painful but worth it in the end
Iām never gonna punish myself like that
mighty stump
Miracle seed adamant 252 252 ez
If you're Miracle Seed you want speed investment
timber falcon
I prefer the āyeah that looks about rightā method
polar canyon
If you're Miracle Seed you want speed investment
252 252 adamant (attack and speed)
grizzled bronze
eh you need to get out of your comfort zone and do the shit yourself
timber falcon
If you're Miracle Seed you want speed investment
You for any spreads?
grizzled bronze
not knowing what your spread does is eh
polar canyon
Spreads are like much better when you know the reason behind them
mighty stump
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Fake Out
- High Horsepower
- Wood Hammer
timber falcon
Is it that important?
mighty stump
Yes lol
timber falcon
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass ...
Ty goatfu š
gentle cragBOT
Ty goatfu š
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu
mighty stump
Being able to understand what your spreads do, knowing what important thresholds you live/KO, allows you to make better informed decisions about the match
grizzled bronze
yeah so you can make safe plays knowing that
mighty stump
This still applies to even standard spreads
timber falcon
So whatās a good site to use for calcs?
polar canyon
Mane that lives grassy glide, av rilla that lives whatever, that kinda stuff
Probably any of the calculators
mighty stump
If I know I can live Blood Moon from Ursaluna, I can KO back with Wood Hammer rather than being afraid and having to switch or something. It also means your opponent has an additional layer of play to consider.
grizzled bronze
best damage calculator
bold geode
I wanna visit a Pokemon Center to buy shit
mighty stump
Pikalytics is also alright.
timber falcon
Ok Iāll try this calculating thing
polar canyon
I wanna visit a Pokemon Center to buy shit
Real
tough idol
I wanna visit a Pokemon Center to buy shit
I'm so gonna be broke once I've been to EUIC
polar canyon
For some reason recently I had a dream that I went somewhere and got 3 plushies
Now I want some pokemon plushies
Do you think they sell pyukumuku
grizzled bronze
you can also just get a spread from pikalytics and calc what it can live
or ko etc
polar canyon
Yeah I got my favorite torn from there and found out it's made for jolly chien matchups
bold geode
I'm so gonna be broke once I've been to EUIC <:PikaLmao:678990785500413962>
Oh I'd be fuckin homeless
mighty stump
Reverse engineering spreads honestly is just more effort than just making one of your own
grizzled bronze
that's true, but still an option
tough idol
Need more to go with these @bold geode
bold geode
Need more to go with these <@817628066020065280>
I literally
All I want is a Chimchar plush
Maybe a Grookey/Rillaboom
polar canyon
Reverse engineering spreads honestly is just more effort than just making one of...
Tbh I found it out mid battle lol
I was too lazy to do that too
But hey it's pretty good to know
tough idol
I missed out on a Substitute plush by a couple of minutes
bold geode
polar canyon
I need a pokemon center accessible to me
That is all
I'm not taking any international flights just to buy a plush
timber falcon
i dont even know where to find plusies :{
bold geode
Ghost Rilla?
karmic temple
Wait maybe I want nick to win he has p2
grizzled bronze
gouging wins when
karmic temple
Duck is love duck is life
bold geode
P2 has left its partner Ting Lu to possibly win a regionals
karmic temple
Entei is happy someoneās using him in the semi finals
timber falcon
any lando-i sets?? :}
grizzled bronze
uh spa drop
karmic temple
Zam the spa drop is huge
polar canyon
Isnt lando I one that you actually just run 252 252
grizzled bronze
any lando-i sets?? :}
max max timid/modest
timber falcon
oki doki
grizzled bronze
epower, sludge bomb, sub/sandsear, protect
timber falcon
ty
grizzled bronze
lorb
karmic temple
Nice turn for nick
grizzled bronze
the battle of the dawg
polar canyon
Excited to watch it all recorded when I can skip the time in between battles
mighty stump
No real need to do so
Rilla would have KO'd itself, can't hit Entei I assume, might as well get chip on G#ouging
bold geode
Yeah it was burned lol
mighty stump
Plus, denying a free switch in can be good
karmic temple
God itās so tanky