competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

I’m a Suicune believer

[timber falcon]

I gotta agree with u

[molten oasis]

For tailwind stuff

[timber falcon]

Whims cuter

[tired sage]

oooooo
suicune is also a good one

[molten oasis]

I’ll live without priority, I’m bulky asf

[timber falcon]

Suicune is the bane of my gholdengo

[tired sage]

mhm.
it can take hits and it’s also pretty as well hehe…

icy wind snarl tw scald set is what i run

[molten oasis]

I have a shiny event one I want to use

[timber falcon]

Do it

[molten oasis]

Same

[tired sage]

i couldn’t find anything better

[molten oasis]

Lemme get the team (that needs fixes)

https://pokepast.es/21e536abe45fa758

I don’t like the fairy and ice overlap

And I don’t like pao, I feel like I’m playing a HO team + Suicune

[timber falcon]

I mean what’s wrong with HO?

[grizzled bronze]

you can lose fast with ho

[molten oasis]

I don’t like playing HO, WITH A BALANCE MON

[timber falcon]

Goes both ways

[molten oasis]

Suicune doesn’t gain shit from pao

[grizzled bronze]

yeah you either lose fast or win fast

[timber falcon]

True

[molten oasis]

And I have a generally slower playstyle

The rental is by far the slowest team I’ve built and it’s by far one of the best teams I have

[timber falcon]

I guess I see where ur coming from, that’s the reason I’m trash and I mean TRASH at running flutter

Slow gameplay is the one for me

[molten oasis]

I just don’t run flutter at all

(I hate it)

[timber falcon]

Yeah I gave up

[molten oasis]

Also gapdos has proven pretty good, flying coverage is super nice

I need to go see what tofu was saying earlier

I think tclap over protect was one thing

[timber falcon]

Maybe u can take advantage of the flight and run eq on a mon?

[molten oasis]

Oh yea, I don’t feel like I bring bolt at all

That was another issue I was having

[timber falcon]

Yeah bolt looks out of place, what’s it there for?

[grizzled bronze]

eq is pretty bad

[molten oasis]

Cuz bolt incin and Suicune are slower playstyles and then rilla gapdos pao are much faster

[timber falcon]

Weaknes policy metagross can’t agree with u

[grizzled bronze]

lmao what

[molten oasis]

Don’t run weakness policy

[timber falcon]

I’ve done it b4

[molten oasis]

Why you may ask? Cuz it’s GAY

[timber falcon]

Lmao

[grizzled bronze]

eq is so inconsistent with many rillabooms running around

[molten oasis]

no ik there’s just more consistent items

[timber falcon]

Bulldoze weakness policy gambit slaps hard

[molten oasis]

And yea eq is inconsistent asf

[molten oasis]

Just swords dance with goggles or glasses

[grizzled bronze]

low ladder shenanigans

[molten oasis]

Gambit can take hits

[timber falcon]

The power of gimmicks

[molten oasis]

“Surprise factor”

[timber falcon]

In fact I’ve been using smeargle at the 1400s

[molten oasis]

That’s what gimmicks are, surprise factor

[grizzled bronze]

imagine relying on surprise factor

[molten oasis]

Fr

[timber falcon]

I don’t though…..

I never say no to ots

[molten oasis]

What’s your team rn?

[grizzled bronze]

beat them with skill not luck

[onyx charm]

local tourney for points

[next stump]

you can’t self-proc defiant if that’s what the goal is

[onyx charm]

much fluttermane

[timber falcon]

Its weakness policy

[grizzled bronze]

is dengo back

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c68a565d3c7627e1

[timber falcon]

Regi Drago is cringe oml I hate that thing

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/b88890eedef1cc12 also thoughts on a 6th?

[timber falcon]

Imagine winning a tense game and ur opponent throws a scarfed regi Drago out

[molten oasis]

Dengo never went away people were just scared of incin

Dengo is awesome

[grizzled bronze]

true

[timber falcon]

I main it in fact

[grizzled bronze]

dengo is life

[molten oasis]

Fr

[timber falcon]

Even got myself 2 shiny ghimmighouls

[tired sage]

ooo gzap

[molten oasis]

Why do you have trick room?

[timber falcon]

So I can use it

[molten oasis]

Gapdos is very good rn imo. Flying coverage is great, good typing, defiant for snarl shit

What is getting value out of tr here

[timber falcon]

Tailwind

And a team with ralatively fast mons

[molten oasis]

…that dengo spread

[timber falcon]

It’s a bulky bulk dengo

[grizzled bronze]

no spa investment damn

[molten oasis]

You need some spA investment

And speed

[timber falcon]

Don’t even need it tbh, get that sweep most of the time

One nasty plot all it takes

[molten oasis]

Cuz your life orb, that’s it

[timber falcon]

Yeah

[grizzled bronze]

i mean you dont always guarantee nasty

[molten oasis]

If you’re weren’t you’d be missing kos

[timber falcon]

Who’s gonna stop me?

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 196 HP / 212 Def / 60 SpA / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

[grizzled bronze]

double up

[timber falcon]

Yeah I know that

[molten oasis]

I am cuz this spread is fucking better

[timber falcon]

This is why I have smeargle

[molten oasis]

Dengo doesn’t really need special defense investment from my experience

[timber falcon]

Where’s that spdef man

[molten oasis]

You don’t need it

[timber falcon]

Flutter gonna hurt

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 1000: Gholdengo

Types

Steel/Ghost

Abilities

Good as Gold

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

87/60/95/133/91/84

Total

550

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

It does anyway

[grizzled bronze]

87/91 pretty respectable

[timber falcon]

Indeed

[molten oasis]

What do you even do against flutter, shifu?

Like without letting dengo take a hit

[tired sage]

it’s kinda underrated imo.
but that flying weakness is a bit bad cause raging bolt

[timber falcon]

Roaring moons clears half the time

More than half actually

I fear no flutter cause of him

[molten oasis]

Yea but, that doesn’t make it bad

[grizzled bronze]

do you burn your tera on moon just to deal with flutter

[molten oasis]

Flying coverage is great

[tired sage]

no i’m saying that the flying weakness is kinda holding it back imo.
but flying coverage is great

[molten oasis]

And I, should prob have an answer to opposing bolt huh

[timber falcon]

Most games roaring is the one that teras

[tired sage]

https://pokepast.es/d0cd4eec5ad5746c
well…
i dug this up from the depths of my team making…

[pearl wind]

whats the hp/def for if you dont mind me asking?

[molten oasis]

I disagree tbh, I think it’s okay. It’s only really threatened by flutter bolt and torn

[vital bloom]

Hey, does anyone know a good moveset and nature for Clodsire, competitive wise? Google didn't help much.

[molten oasis]

Knock off from incin and I’m pretty sure moon, sucker from pao,

[timber falcon]

Nah for some reason it’s adamant but I run jolly in game and that outspeeds most flutter, along with tailwind

[molten oasis]

Stomping from SoR Banded dnite

Stomping/eq from lando t

[grizzled bronze]

bulky guy

[real prairie]

Makes sure it's the slowest in the TR which helps a lot, mostly because I CBA to rebreed a 0 speed shiny

[grizzled bronze]

you dont need room service to outpace in tr

[molten oasis]

It doesn’t necessarily need 0 speed tbh

[real prairie]

Grassy terrain is psyspam counter

[molten oasis]

Run rilla then

[real prairie]

Can't stand rilla

[timber falcon]

Incin gets the job done

[molten oasis]

Or misty terrain if it gets that

[molten oasis]

You’re kidding

[timber falcon]

Why u hating on big funni monkey

[molten oasis]

Why do you hate rilla

Rilla has such high value rn

[grizzled bronze]

tbh with misty you make your amoonguss useless

[timber falcon]

Yeah rilla is a goat

[molten oasis]

Yea fair

[tired sage]

then-
grassy terrain prankster whimsy

[molten oasis]

But like, no rilla is wild

[vital bloom]

Can someone help? ,-,

[molten oasis]

That’s literally what he’s doing

[bold geode]

People refusing to run Rilla

[grizzled bronze]

rilla is so good

[timber falcon]

Rilla simply the best option for terrain takeover

[molten oasis]

Rilla also takes hits from psyspam stuff

[tired sage]

NAUUURRRR
I SAID THAT AS A JOKE XD
i didn’t think people were actually running that

[molten oasis]

Whims explodes to that

[timber falcon]

Someone is 😭

[tired sage]

[timber falcon]

It may work

[real prairie]

I mean if the advise is just run Wolfe team it becomes a bit redundant playing. Appreciate Rilla is meta but I also don't wanna just be another Wolfe clone, more than 1 way to skin a cat as they say

[timber falcon]

But it’s definitely not the best option

[molten oasis]

Don’t have that mindset

[tired sage]

i may have the stupidest ideas but at least they work and have some comp value

[molten oasis]

You’re using the best tools to your advantage

[grizzled bronze]

you play to win

[timber falcon]

Rilla doesn’t belong to wolfey

[molten oasis]

And how are you copying Wolfe by using rillaboom

[timber falcon]

Exactly

[molten oasis]

That’s like saying I copy Tang for running Gholdengo

[grizzled bronze]

being a metaslave is not bad sometimes

[bold geode]

Yeah
Guys Wolfe used Urshifu I can't use it

[pearl wind]

depending on the format you want to play you can check out https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/clodsire/

[real prairie]

First it's the monkey, then it's the overgrown Catman, then it's everything else

[supple ether]

Guys, dont be a meta sheep. If you use any of these pokemon, you have no brain

[grizzled bronze]

oh damn plans ruined

[timber falcon]

Oh man not the best mons in the game

[bold geode]

Cuz of the meta

[tired sage]

dam i can’t use chi yu my beloved

[grizzled bronze]

back to using murkrow....

[molten oasis]

Why are things good?

Like why do people use incin and rillaboom

[tired sage]

whimsy is still up for grabs tho cause she’s on on that list

[timber falcon]

Meta is literally a way of saying “yeah we’re good” no need to not use the good ones

[real prairie]

I appreciate running meta but I don't have to just clone everything, there is clearly meta present Pokémon in my team but they are also ones I like and enjoy running

Also Rilla doesn't have TW

[timber falcon]

Yooo didn’t even notice but dengo won

[molten oasis]

Then add another tw mon

Just don’t run terrain on whims

[tired sage]

even if i hate on the meta a lot, ill still use the meta mons cause of their utility. not cause they’re “meta” so to speak. each mon that’s “meta” is called meta cause they have so much util

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

It’s so easy to wipe whims and reset their terrain

[timber falcon]

Whimsicott wasted a move slot and a turn using grassy terrain

[tired sage]

well if you’re making that argument, whimsy doesn’t have fake out or wood hammer(?)

[molten oasis]

Meta mons are your best tools to win

[vital bloom]

Ty

[supple ether]

Imagine ice spinner ohko after setting terrain

[molten oasis]

Fr lol

[tired sage]

mhm.
ice spinner does the job well for that

[timber falcon]

That would be hilarious

[real prairie]

Why'd I terrain against Pao lol

[grizzled bronze]

bias can ruin you sometimes lol

[molten oasis]

You don’t but also, just don’t run terrain on whims

[timber falcon]

Yeah terrain whims seems a bit too situational

[molten oasis]

If you want a psyspam counter, you get incin or rilla or even dengo

[bold geode]

Yeah no Incineroar or Rilla just helps way better than Whims with Terrain

[timber falcon]

The heck’s dengo gonna do though

[grizzled bronze]

you blow up to tachyon with whims

[molten oasis]

Kill Deedee than kill crown

What is crown gonna do?

[vivid viper]

Has anyone tried using Overqwil in doubles or is it inherently bad? I love it for some reason but working it into a solid competitive set it seems to be a bit underwhelming?

[grizzled bronze]

click protect

[timber falcon]

Helping hand tera blast

It hurts man (from experience

[real prairie]

Terrain + pao sucker punch, bye bye Crown

[tired sage]

yknow what…
i would rather use seed sower arboliva instead of grassy terrain whimsy

[grizzled bronze]

powercrept

[molten oasis]

Oh no, same logic with incin

[supple ether]

Useable. Has a niche, but isnt very good/meta relevant atm.

[molten oasis]

And if it’s focus blast 🫵

Nice 0 damage bro

[supple ether]

Use it now before restricted format tho (re: overqwil)

[molten oasis]

This is the last reg to run a lot of the niche stuff

[tired sage]

well i can make an argument for hisuian qwilfish with eviolite though…

[molten oasis]

Restricted is gonna be, very very punishing

[vivid viper]

Thought as much, thanks. I’m just trying play around with a few pokemon that aren’t really used or are a bit different because I get a bit bored of the same typical tired ones

[gentle crag]

connor91 has given 1 Gen Rep to chef_h.

[timber falcon]

Why would sucker punch OHKO

[tired sage]

dark poison is a good typing imo.
it was just a bit wasted

[willow vault]

Not again

[timber falcon]

Seems a bit much

[vivid viper]

Right I get that

[molten oasis]

Give me that calc right now

[tired sage]

okay but my points were valid

[grizzled bronze]

you blow up to tachyon with chien

[molten oasis]

I’m 99% sure sucker doesn’t Ohko crown

[tired sage]

biggest problem here is follow me dee

[grizzled bronze]

especially booster speed to outspeed you

[willow vault]

I just came back after days away I don’t need to see the same points again

[bold geode]

[grizzled bronze]

also follow me to redirect sucker lol!

[molten oasis]

Me too

[tired sage]

i’m not gonna argue about qwilfish but it’s def something to think about

[bold geode]

Brain no worky
Brain dying

[molten oasis]

Also that whims set has a lot of surprise factor involved

[bold geode]

Qwilfish is shit

Do not use Qwilfish

[willow vault]

Ok you know what I can live with that

[tired sage]

regular is yeah but H-qwilfish has like it’s really stupid niche

[molten oasis]

If you’re gonna use whims and pao as a psyspam counter you’re just winning from surprise factor tbh

[supple ether]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Iron Crown: 152-180 (86.8 - 102.8%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

H-Qwilfish is literally budget whatever has Intimidate

[molten oasis]

Assuming you also manage ti get sucker off in the first place

[tired sage]

it gets haze for dozogiri, icy wind, an intim that’s immune to psyspam and only weak to ground.

[grizzled bronze]

how much is adamant

[bold geode]

Like budget Kanto Arc
Budget Gyarados
Budget Intimidate user
Is what H Qeil is

[molten oasis]

Overquil

[supple ether]

Assuming you both dont have psyhic terrain up, and indeedee doesnt follow me

[real prairie]

Yeah that's why Throat Chop is also there

[timber falcon]

Boosted attack

[molten oasis]

Too many factors for that

[supple ether]

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sucker Punch vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Iron Crown: 164-194 (93.7 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[tired sage]

but if you’re gonna terrain sucker, sucker gets redirected by follow me-

[grizzled bronze]

still not guaranteed lmao!!

[molten oasis]

Not guaranteed

[grizzled bronze]

bulky guy

[timber falcon]

So this could work, but in reality follow me is what they’re gonna do

[molten oasis]

And Yk, Deedee and also crown just kills pao

[tired sage]

adamant pao vs a no bulk crown

[supple ether]

Tachyon cutter goes brrr

[molten oasis]

don’t run grassy terrain

[grizzled bronze]

yeah tachyon ohkos

[molten oasis]

Run rillaboom or incin

[willow vault]

Hey what was good at Knoxville, I missed the stream

[grizzled bronze]

god i love when they lead chien pao

and not tera

[molten oasis]

Gouging and gambit

[tired sage]

oh there’s psyspam?
just use dark types and steel types-

[timber falcon]

Dengo won

[molten oasis]

Gholdengo won

Single strike is in the meta

[tired sage]

oop nvm H already got it

[grizzled bronze]

rapid becoming fraudulent

[timber falcon]

Yep surging falling of

[molten oasis]

Waterpon is the best Mon in the format, fuck you fluttermane

[willow vault]

It feels crazy that rapid strike is falling of namely in day 2s

[timber falcon]

Absolutely

Down with the mane!

[molten oasis]

We can thank our good friend raging bolt for that one

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to crephace

[grizzled bronze]

will restricted format make flutter mane not top 1 .....

[molten oasis]

Really, that’s notC ok

[molten oasis]

It’ll be incin or a restricted Mon

[timber falcon]

Spectrier

[grizzled bronze]

yeah please be incin

[molten oasis]

Incin is gonna be the one thing remotely slowing down caly chi yu stuff

[grizzled bronze]

i need my goat back at top 1

[willow vault]

I actually quite liked mane, it worked on almost all teams so it whilst it felt very very strong it didn’t invalidate lots of different team comps

[timber falcon]

I’ve just been reminded of specs moraidon 😭😭

[tired sage]

mmmm i wouldn’t say falling off…
rather single strike is just becoming more popular

[molten oasis]

Single strike is better in the current format imo

[bold geode]

Whatever it's name is, it's garbage

[timber falcon]

It hate it. With a burning passion

[willow vault]

Love me some single strike

[supple ether]

Spectrier gets expanding force imagine

[molten oasis]

What does that do to incin

[willow vault]

Because it’s good?

[molten oasis]

a dark type

[timber falcon]

Cause I’m bad at using it 😭

[molten oasis]

I also think scarf single strike will be around for caly

[grizzled bronze]

snarl incin gonna go hard

[tired sage]

for sure yeah

[willow vault]

How? That shouldn’t be possible

[bold geode]

Overqwil so garbage I can't even remember it's name

[molten oasis]

It’s bad yea

[timber falcon]

I don’t even know how. Whenever I throw that thing out it does in turn one lmao.

[molten oasis]

Yiu can be bad at piloting flutter

I used to be pretty bad at piloting flutter

[willow vault]

Dies turn 1? That feels wild

[molten oasis]

Now I can I just refuse to use it

[real prairie]

Side note, @mighty stump saw this and thought you'd appreciate it

[molten oasis]

Cute

[grizzled bronze]

big guy

[willow vault]

Yeah well your the ceo of ninetales and volcarona and also hydrapple (apparently) so you had other focuses

[tired sage]

you’d be surprised
but it’s way too niche to actually use to climb ladder

[molten oasis]

Fair point

Also, don’t expect any a9 this reg, tested it out for a little while it’s just not good

HYDRA is better than a9 rn

[willow vault]

I wish pangoro was in the new game, it would be bad but I like it

[tired sage]

while flutter is still really good…
(and used to be my fav mon…)
she’s falling hard xD

[brazen bough]

bascu does way too much damage w0wo

[grizzled bronze]

hydrapple is so cool but the meta is not friendly towards it

[timber falcon]

Pangoro got me through swsh 💪

[molten oasis]

I will probably have a Suicune rental

[brazen bough]

thankfully

[gentle crag]

generalia_ has given 1 Gen Rep to taiki._.

[molten oasis]

Wdym by that

[willow vault]

I solo’d the main game with just pangoro other than the one mandatory double battle

[timber falcon]

thank bot handing out these thank yous

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple is very cool

[grizzled bronze]

fickle beam goes hard

[supple ether]

Someone explain why every team I build becomes regidrago sweep unless I deliberately avoid it...speaking of

[willow vault]

Let’s see the team

[timber falcon]

Low ladder shenanigans

[molten oasis]

Love it’s design, I think it’s a little weird but like, it’s a great yawn bot and fickle beam is hilarious

[real prairie]

Okay the insta algorithm has identified snorlax and is now feeding me

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple is also honestly my current favorite Pokémon

[grizzled bronze]

no way new tatsugiri form

[timber falcon]

Smeargle for me 👌

[molten oasis]

Hydra just, isn’t the greatest in vgc

[willow vault]

What is low ladder considered to be like when is the point it becomes mid ladder

[supple ether]

252+ SpA Dragon Fang Dragon's Maw Regidrago Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 159-187 (90.8 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
Huh, not sure what I was expecting but damn

[timber falcon]

I think about 1350s tofu said

That’s when ur out

[molten oasis]

I’ll only get to enjoy it this reg cuz it just can’t do anything in restricted

[willow vault]

So I’m stuck at the point in between low ladder and mid ladder, damn

[molten oasis]

About now it’s probably 1400’s

[timber falcon]

Oh damn

[grizzled bronze]

most mons will be useless when restricted arrives

[molten oasis]

Yea

[willow vault]

Had to make me sad huh

[tired sage]

well yeah of course…

[supple ether]

It's all of em if you have a flutter answer and speed control, he is just stronk

[grizzled bronze]

we love powercreep

[timber falcon]

But that damned asporemus still lurking

[grizzled bronze]

time to run sash amoonguss again

[willow vault]

Gastrodon will become better I reckon

[timber falcon]

Why

[willow vault]

Ability

[grizzled bronze]

mfw grassy glide

[supple ether]

Sash incin

[willow vault]

Storm drain go burrrr

[real prairie]

What about choice spec?

[timber falcon]

Rilla and Oger

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm surprised by the fact it even exists

[supple ether]

Should guarantee kill (closed the tab)

[willow vault]

Yeah and rilla was in the previous gen, with a stronger grassy glide and gastro was still good in restricted formats. What’s your point

[molten oasis]

Gastro probably will still be good

[willow vault]

Gastro will have a niche until a better mon gets storm drain as a premier kyogre counter

[grizzled bronze]

yeah fair

[molten oasis]

Although we have a better answer to kyogre stuff, miraidon

[grizzled bronze]

but im a non believer

[willow vault]

It’s still immune to electric

[real prairie]

Kyogre is back in the next format?

[supple ether]

Tatsu

[willow vault]

Gastro for president

[vital bloom]

That list said that the best moveset of Clodsire was Earthquake, Toxic, Spikes, and Recover, but my Clodsire wasn't a breeded one, so what should i substitute for it instead?

[supple ether]

In theory. Or the one after that

[real prairie]

Kyogre + Piña here I come

[timber falcon]

Kyogre never dies

[willow vault]

Lacks the electric immunity but could be cool

[tired sage]

specs kyogre and scarfed archaludon…

[willow vault]

I expect to see scarf kyogre, I’m prepared mentally I think, maybe

[timber falcon]

Waterpon thank Lord he exists

[supple ether]

Have clodsire forget a move (needs a moveslot open), hold a mirror herb and open a picnic with mon that knows the egg move. It will automaticallynlearn it

[grizzled bronze]

mfw torn kyogre

[pearl wind]

i type too slow

[real prairie]

Tera water, specs kyogre, rain, water spout 😅🤣

[timber falcon]

Tera waterpon 😄

[molten oasis]

Since when is kyogre immune to electric attacks

[willow vault]

Gastrodon

[supple ether]

Invisibile raichu

[timber falcon]

Nvm don’t tera

[willow vault]

That was good

[willow vault]

Tera ground kyogre?

[brazen bough]

thundy feels super good rn

[grizzled bronze]

miraidon is definitely better than koraidon right

[molten oasis]

Why?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[supple ether]

IM TELLING YALLL

[brazen bough]

i lied

[willow vault]

Nah I reckon Tera water, scarf kyogre water spout, I’m afraid

[grizzled bronze]

also benefits from eterrain

[vital bloom]

I can do that without training a whole new Clodsire?

[supple ether]

https://tenor.com/view/kidnap-ready-to-go-ready-packing-revenge-gif-14345059

[supple ether]

Ye

[willow vault]

Don’t test me I have an offensive Thundurus team that actually won me some games, no one expects it

[molten oasis]

K, explain the thundy thing

And which one

[willow vault]

Grassy seed, acrobatics OHKOd a surprising amount of decent Pokémon, including Urshifu and sometimes rillaboom it’s was actually very fun

[molten oasis]

Defiant thundy i?

[grizzled bronze]

damn physical thundy

let him cook

[molten oasis]

No that was a thing in gen 8 I believe

[willow vault]

I ran it with defiant but a lot of speed investment so I could still use taunt against farigiraf and against psyspam

[grizzled bronze]

and gen 5 but im not so sure

[molten oasis]

So it’s not entirely unheard of

[willow vault]

One of the only times not having a brain worked

[supple ether]

Thundy-I; Eerie impulse denies half the format, 1/3 the format cant hardly hit him, twave for speeed control, e terrain for utility, thunderbolt and volt switch both get surprising ohkos. But mainly that eerie impulse and twave with access to other supporting and offensive moves

[vital bloom]

What would be a good pokemon to breed with my Clodsire for recover? Id use my Gholdengo, but then I realized it wouldn't work

[supple ether]

It can be any mon that knows the move! So as long as gholdengo currently knows recover, and both it and clodsire are in your party (and clodsire has an empty move slot and is holsing a mirror herb), it'll learn it instantly when opening a picnic

[willow vault]

Yessir and because of grassy seed it actually had ok bulk, it was wierldy thought out but there was some kind of twisted logic, also thunder wave won me far more games than I want to admit

[vital bloom]

Ohhhh, ok ty!

[tired sage]

swsh flashbacks

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

I don’t know defiant thundy-I was reasonable but it was definitely Pokémon number 5 on the team behind gholdengo, chi-yu, rilla and Urshifu-Rapid. But hey niches can be interesting

[willow vault]

Don’t take notes it was a low ladder team that abused people who didn’t know how to beat it

[rough imp]

What are the best team mates for incineroar ?

[supple ether]

Pikalytics is your friend

[rough imp]

Thank you

[gentle crag]

jayden.pp has given 1 Gen Rep to chef_h.

[rough imp]

Can i find him on youtube ?

[supple ether]

Oh sorry, lemme grab link

https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2024regf/incineroar

[vital bloom]

Ty @supple ether

[gentle crag]

.spooderlover. has given 1 Gen Rep to chef_h.

[vital bloom]

Sorry to keep bothering, but is hasty a good nature for Clodsire?

[rough imp]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1707157718:R>.

[supple ether]

Dont be, 'tis what the channel is here for

[grizzled bronze]

you want a more defensive nature for clod

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 980: Clodsire

Types

Poison/Ground

Abilities

Poison Point, Water Absorb, Unaware (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

130/75/60/45/100/20

Total

430

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[supple ether]

Yeah, maybe a -speed, +def or spdef

Relaxed or sassy

[grizzled bronze]

ive seen impish or careful

-speed nature is okay too

[supple ether]

Ig yeah it is a phys attacker

[vital bloom]

I may give it a relaxed mint

[grizzled bronze]

it depends on what you wanna live

[vital bloom]

I'm tryna build a good team to finally beat my friend in a battle, he has like expert Pokemon and I keep getting swept, I just thought if I had a defensive pokemon it would help

[grizzled bronze]

singles or doubles?

[vital bloom]

Single

[grizzled bronze]

clod is basically a spikes/rock setter with toxic support and unaware to stop setup sweepers

recover to stall

[vital bloom]

That's what I figured, my first Clodsire I mainly used as a tank

I genuinely suck at battling, so that's why I'm here ,-,

[grizzled bronze]

dont worry we all did

you learn as you go

[vital bloom]

At one point I was close to beating him, till he got out either his Iron Bundle or Eternatus

Those two are his main sweepers, or his minior

[vital bloom]

Should Clodsire have sturdy boots or leftovers?

[cold pendant]

So just getting into competitive and I am currently breeding Pokemon to get the best I need. I want to run any of these pokes

Meowsurada, gyarados, garchomp, skeledirge, raging bolt, waking wake, annihilape, azumaril, kingambit, chien-pao, grimmsnarl, Tinkaton, gengar, corrviknight mikikyu, snorlax, great tusk, arcanine, vigoroth, dragapolt, volcarona (or slither wing) and flutter mane.

I can work out a lot of teams for singles but out of these guys, what is 3 teams that would work good in doubles. I see so many of the same teams but I want something different than the meta

[molten oasis]

Fr

[strange fjord]

For Anything Goes, this is the typical Clodsire Set:

Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 208 HP / 200 Def / 100 SpD
Impish Nature
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic Spikes
- Toxic

You can change it as you see fit, some run stealth instead of toxic spikes or just regular spikes.

water absorb as an ability isn't too bad, but unaware ignores stat boosts, which can stop a sweep

[vital bloom]

I was gonna use Gholdengo as a sweep stopper, or is that bad?

[grizzled bronze]

you can do some trick shenanigans with it

[strange fjord]

It can stop stall since its immune to status and has access to nasty plot too.

[vital bloom]

My Gholdengo has Make it rain, Recover, Shadow Ball, and Nasty Plot

[strange fjord]

Good wall breaker i think, but not a great wall itself.

[vital bloom]

Mine can take a good hit every once in awhile, I focused on his defense and special attack

[grizzled bronze]

can also stop hazard removal

[molten oasis]

Protect is better

Dengo doesn’t have the bulk to utilize recover

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c2dc08a81d21e94d thoughts on this team?

[molten oasis]

Or it’s just, not good enough

[grizzled bronze]

it's singles btw

[molten oasis]

Covert cloak?

[molten oasis]

Not aware of that

[timber falcon]

Ran out of ideas

[molten oasis]

Charcoal

[timber falcon]

Oki

[molten oasis]

Tera grass or water on chi yu

You want water resist

[timber falcon]

Ok

[molten oasis]

Even with sun

[grizzled bronze]

gyro ball?

[molten oasis]

Also Gyro ball?

[tired sage]

chi yu my beloved..
but why flying?

[grizzled bronze]

just slap protect

[vital bloom]

My Gholdengo Stats: 331 HP/350 Sp. Atk/210 Sp. Def/ 217 Speed/ 214 Def/ 135 Atk.
It has Modest Nature and Ghost Tera Type.

[timber falcon]

Idk why

[molten oasis]

Just do protect

Why is the chi Yu 252 hp and 68 defense?

[timber falcon]

Bulk yu

[molten oasis]

Why?

[timber falcon]

Idk any chi yu sets

[molten oasis]

Chi yu just wants to be fast and hit hard here

[grizzled bronze]

i feel like you can just run incin

[molten oasis]

252spA 252 spe timid or modest

[timber falcon]

It’s a HO team though

[grizzled bronze]

yeah then go max max

[timber falcon]

Ok I guess why not

[molten oasis]

You don’t need bulk for EVERYTHING

[timber falcon]

Incin will replace chi yu

[tired sage]

^^

[grizzled bronze]

why bulk when you can kill them first lol!

[tired sage]

or this mess…

Chi-Yu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 76 HP / 4 Def / 188 SpA / 4 SpD / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tera Blast
• Heat Wave
• Dark Pulse
• Overheat

[vital bloom]

Should I switch the Tera Type for my Gholdengo?

[molten oasis]

Interesting

[molten oasis]

Idk what the meta is for you but fsiry is pretty good on it

[vital bloom]

It's currently Ghost Tera

[molten oasis]

Yea I’m saying fsiry Tera is good

[grizzled bronze]

fairy, steel, or fighting if you wanna run focus miss

[brazen bough]

i might actually start running thundy

[supple ether]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[vital bloom]

What about my Clodsire? It's Poison Tera Type and it has Water Absorb

[tired sage]

don’t lie-
it’s a mess of a spread

[grizzled bronze]

you can run water for a good defensive tera

also maybe run unaware instead but that's just preference

[vital bloom]

I mainly did Water Absorb so it would be immune to both electric and water

[molten oasis]

It’s not that bad

[vital bloom]

Also, I have a Hattrene that I want to improve

It can easily one shot a Eternatus, but still, it doesn't last long

[brazen bough]

i need to run less speed on my peli

[polar canyon]

I mean if I knew the reason behind it maybe it can be a nice spread

People don't make spreads like that just messing with the sliders for no reason

Maybe some do

[tired sage]

it lives a few resisted hits
chi yu is so fragile i have to calc for resisted hits

[polar canyon]

Like resisted with tera?

Can it take mystic water urshifu?

Reminder that chi-yu has better natural physical bulk than mane btw

[tired sage]

yeah

no like resisted +1 ivy cudgel from a tera fire firepon

without tera

[polar canyon]

Hey that sounds useful

Well with tera too since it's water

The speed is for scarf urshifu right

[tired sage]

yeah

[molten oasis]

That’s good then

[tired sage]

i’m not bothering with SE calcs cause it’s too frail

[polar canyon]

I'd use that

[tired sage]

with tera it’ll live a 252 adamant ss with about 30-35% left

[polar canyon]

Can I actually

[tired sage]

i don’t remember the exact calcs

[bold geode]

I just do max max tbh

[polar canyon]

Not that you can stop me from trying it

But I wanna ask first

[tired sage]

max max is better but if i’m running scarf-
i would like to live a few hits-

since i won’t be doing as much damage

[tired sage]

sure-

[polar canyon]

Thanks-

[bold geode]

Well usually the scarf is to outspeed so you don't have to live as much, although it's not a horrible idea

[tired sage]

like you said, there’s not much i can do to prevent you from not using it xD

[polar canyon]

I think I wanna try wake sun with chi yu

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/34d9ec13e415e074 thoughts on this?

Testing out ting Lu

[polar canyon]

W for not running fissure

[tired sage]

that…
is an interesting idea…
fwg core with wake incin whimsy is what i have for that core comp team

[molten oasis]

Cuz fissure is cringe

[polar canyon]

Exactly

[tired sage]

no guard skill swap

[polar canyon]

Did you ever lose to fissure

[tired sage]

smh

[molten oasis]

Hell no

[molten oasis]

In like reg c, once

[polar canyon]

Losing to fissure feels so undeserved

Actually happened to me this reg

[tired sage]

im disgusted at that idea too but hey if it works it works

[molten oasis]

“Play to your outs”

[tired sage]

people run ohko moves-?

[molten oasis]

On ting Lu cuz ting Lu doesn’t die

[polar canyon]

Apprently it was a thing with dozo too

For mirrors

[molten oasis]

There’s was a brief fissure dozo time

[grizzled bronze]

mfw sheer cold chien pao

[tired sage]

i remember that

[polar canyon]

Ting just has such insane bulk it doesn't mind wasting a turn with a fissure miss

• it boosts stomping tantrum

[tired sage]

oh

that’s fair

[grizzled bronze]

basically reg c in a nutshell

[polar canyon]

I'm still a bit mad that landorus doesn't get high horsepower

Therian form is pretty horselike

Horse pilled

But rillaboom gets to have it

A monkey

[tired sage]

rilla makes sense tho

[willow vault]

Huh? How is it a horse

[willow vault]

I guess but like idk

[tired sage]

yes

[molten oasis]

Probably for balance reasons lol

High horse on it would be crazy

[willow vault]

I think they should allow for machamp to have no guard + fissure, it would be fun

[molten oasis]

fun

[willow vault]

What is that?

[molten oasis]

Idk, must be a new Pokémon or something

[willow vault]

I guess, I think we may have to ask non-vgc players maybe they will know

[broken grove]

Non-VGC player here, there is no fun for us either sorry 😦

[willow vault]

Well what is this fun thing, we don’t understand

[tired sage]

[willow vault]

[tired sage]

all i do is fun hehe…

[willow vault]

chicken

[tired sage]

but-
fun gets me to mid ladder

[willow vault]

Please explain what fun is

[tired sage]

dopamine

[willow vault]

I can’t do that with good Pokémon

[willow vault]

Oh caffeine

[tired sage]

sure

[willow vault]

I do this all the time

[tired sage]

[willow vault]

[next stump]

ayyy rank 25 on showdown right now, 1841

why didn’t i bring this team to the GC lol

[willow vault]

Damn, you cooking

What’s the team?

[supple ether]

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/2061e3eb83469f4e

[willow vault]

Very nice team

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

Damn, great point

[willow vault]

I mean clearly your the chef for a reason

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

Nah that doesn’t work very well

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

Bruh? What is that

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

This conversation makes lots of sense

[tired sage]

huh-

[willow vault]

Me rn

[willow vault]

Don’t worry about it

[vital bloom]

Whats a good Ability and Nature for Hattrene, offensive wise?

[tired sage]

magic bounce quiet

[dapper crag]

I have a rough idea on core members for a TR team, been a while since I posted but a few things are still in the air. Also did run into an issue with deciding a main set up user since Urshifu is trouble.

[willow vault]

Ok what’s the core, we can’t help if we don’t know what it is

[tired sage]

ooooo

[dapper crag]

Main members that I believe I'm keeping is Dusclops, Hatterenne, Grimmsnarl and Enamorus-Therian. Issue being sometimes failing to set up the trick room and team getting wiped as a result

[tired sage]

i assume this has to do with that enam from a while ago

[dapper crag]

Dusclops being immune to Fake Out is nice but Urshifu's just destroy it

[tired sage]

even with eviolite?

[willow vault]

If you want to use hatterene, indeedee would be a good option, it would also stop sucker punch’s which is nice

[tired sage]

oh no nvm

[dapper crag]

Indeedee huh... let me check

[willow vault]

It also gives you psychic terrain so you can use expanding force also it gives you follow me support as well as helping hand

[tired sage]

psyspam

[next stump]

Grimmsnarl doesn’t really fit on trick room well

the main goal of TR is to abuse your few turns to get knock outs

[grizzled bronze]

hard tr just aint it tbh

[next stump]

Grimmsnarl is passively setting screens

[willow vault]

Especially if you go for the indeedee I suggested

[dapper crag]

Grimmsnarl is more so support with initial fake out into parting shot for first few turns

Although results were definitely mixed...

[grizzled bronze]

you need something to work even outside tr so you're not too dependent on tr

cause no tr and you're fucked

[willow vault]

Something like focus sash Urshifu-single strike you could work in both tr and outside tr

Can use other items as well if you want

[tired sage]

weird fact but prankster trick room allows you to go first against -6 prio moves if you out speed

[dapper crag]

Fight fire with fire huh...

[timber falcon]

Does this is not work for anything

[dapper crag]

Still need to get Kubfu in both S/V so might need to consider it

[tired sage]

well…
moves with -6 prio like roar and dragon tail

[timber falcon]

Ohhh ok that’s pretty neat

Cause people use those

[tired sage]

it’s useless but yeah

[timber falcon]

Still interesting

[dapper crag]

I'm probably also going to think of a more offensive team that isn't TR reliant but not in a rush for that since I'll need to think about a team and such

[willow vault]

You could use a rain team

[real prairie]

Best spread for a bulky set Flutter?

[real prairie]

Might have some use in singles where roar and dragon tail are used more

[timber falcon]

Trick room in singles isn’t as good as in vgc anyway

[silk fractal]

i need ou team to beat my friend

[whole ibex]

I think I made my decision. I’m teambuliding Bax first then a Dozo team

[silk fractal]

we are both new

[molten oasis]

Bro my professor kept me in class for an extra 20 minutes

LET ME THE FUCK OUT

oh the class goes until 2:15, lmao nvm

Guess he just let me out super early the last few weeks

[next stump]

there’s not many, if any, OU players that frequent this chat

[real prairie]

May aswell invest in bulk hit 2nd and hit harder

Best place to get Tamato berry without resetting at the auction?

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0173da2a94ba0ae1 changed some things up, found bolt incin and ting Lu kinda eh, thoughts on members for this?

[real prairie]

Cresselia, spam healing and ally switches

Be good for those scarf bravebirds

[molten oasis]

Ally switch, ehh

Ig I could try it

[autumn kelp]

ally switch sometimes is fun

[molten oasis]

Well, I don’t want 2 super bulky mons that deal 0 damage tbh

[autumn kelp]

Why Fairy tera on Gholdengo ?

[autumn kelp]

what about chin pao and d nite ?

[molten oasis]

Hell no

Not making this a HO team

[autumn kelp]

xD

[real prairie]

Who's the other, Sui?

[molten oasis]

Yea

Suicune doesn’t do any damage

Pure support

[real prairie]

Can you not change the build and balance it to accommodate an attacking move? But TBF with suicune support and Cresselia healing you could literally chip people to death and it will absolutely infuriate them 🤣

Killing their mons with -5 damage stats 🤣

[molten oasis]

Suicune has 90 spA

[tired sage]

not if they have healing of their own-
and sui IS NOT built to be an attacker…

[molten oasis]

Id need 252 modest for it to do anything

It can do calm mind, not well, but it can

[tired sage]

sui fits so much better as a tw support

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/769a2609548c1113 thoughts?

[supple ether]

135 if you consider stab scald

(this is a joke)

[pastel blade]

Yoo can someone give me a decidueye build for singles

[tired sage]

are the lu and fire calced to live anything or is that your next thing on the to do list?

[pastel blade]

Either an attacker or something with roost

[supple ether]

Couldnt find anything out of place

Pinch berry on suicune has me nervous tho

[supple ether]

Smogon usually has singles builds

[tired sage]

i would run lefties on sui and a boosting item on dango

[molten oasis]

No calcs there

Just, general bulk

[tired sage]

actually that’s fair.
it’s not gonna die easily so

[molten oasis]

Yea, that would be gambit but I have dengo

[supple ether]

Thoughts on new rental? its a secret

[molten oasis]

[supple ether]

[tired sage]

[supple ether]

[tired sage]

https://tenor.com/view/senko-poute-hmph-pouting-mope-sulk-gif-15650605

[supple ether]

Thank you both for humoring me

[molten oasis]

We did fall for it ig

Still annoyed

[supple ether]

I am off to try and make thundurus work (again (again))

[bold void]

I bop @supple ether

[supple ether]

[supple ether]

[bold void]

Why doesnt it work

[bold void]

[molten oasis]

I missed

[supple ether]

[molten oasis]

Any other thoughts on this?

[supple ether]

Landorus-I answer? Tera poison option

[molten oasis]

fuck lando I

Well, I have snarl spam

And wellspring, sort of

[tired sage]

how much value does thunderous kick have in the current meta…

[molten oasis]

And ting Lu, I’m probably fine

[molten oasis]

If I wasn’t scarf I’d do that

I just need the damage on scarf

[tired sage]

cause i was thinking maybe an attacker support scarf hybrid

where you could set up picks with thunderous kick having -1def

[supple ether]

Tofu advocates for it, but in testing I could take it or leave it. Depends on if you have setup-mon answers and/or have other physical attackers to capitalize on it

[molten oasis]

Advocates for what, thunderous kick?

[dapper crag]

Move: Thunderous Kick

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Um, well

[supple ether]

Tornadus+wurshifu seems a little threatening, especially if ogrerpon gets forced out earlier in the match. Same idea with pelipper/rain

[molten oasis]

I have 4 physical attackers

[tired sage]

it’s an interesting move to say the least

[supple ether]

Ye for tkick

[molten oasis]

Idk how to make that better tbh

[tired sage]

yeah that’s why i was thinking maybe run that for picks

[molten oasis]

I usually play bolt but I didn’t like bolt initially

[tired sage]

bolt still feels a little clunky for me

[supple ether]

Broadly the mons you could ohko with CC you could also ohko with Brave Bird. And the mons that 2hko to CC likely also 2hko to tkick (215BP vs 240)

At least thats what I got in testing

Maybe 8 or so games

[tired sage]

well in this case kick would be used more as a support move

[supple ether]

Rockslide tinglu maybe? Yeah Im not super sure either

[supple ether]

Sunny day on GF

[molten oasis]

I can’t bring ting Lu

Into rapid strike

[supple ether]

Oh, duh

[tired sage]

is ting lu set?

[molten oasis]

It’s just av 252 252 brave cuz tr

[tired sage]

no like is it set in stone as a team member

[molten oasis]

Nope

Neither is gouging fire

[supple ether]

Dazzling gleam gholdengo maybe?

[tired sage]

fire can stay imo

[supple ether]

DONT CONCERN REACT ME

it's practical

[molten oasis]

No

Hell no in fact lol

[tired sage]

it’s not in this situation

[molten oasis]

If I was specs maaaybe but I’m not

[supple ether]

yeah maybe

I should stop cooking before I start inhaling my own fumes

[molten oasis]

It’s going as NP, I think dengo works here

[supple ether]

Goodluck

[tired sage]

we need something to hit flying for se or go against watershifu torn…

[molten oasis]

Thx

Uh, that’s gonna be tricky

Cuz waterpon can fight shifu

[tired sage]

a thing i can think of is ruination ting lu

[molten oasis]

I think torn is the main issue

Also, again ting Lu can’t lead into rain

[tired sage]

right

[molten oasis]

It just dies

[tired sage]

or it becomes a tera hog

what about cress…?

[molten oasis]

Which isn’t ideal

[tired sage]

tbolt psychic/psyshock cress?

[molten oasis]

Again, 2 bulky mons that do no damage

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 488: Cresselia

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

120/70/110/75/120/85

Total

580

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Yeaaaaaaa, I don’t think cress is it

[tired sage]

mmm

[molten oasis]

That’s not stab, so it’s gonna hit both shifu and torn like a wet noodle

[tired sage]

we can add a glass cannon if you like…
the glass cannon in question is freeze dry icy wind bundle

nope ignore that cause fire has the booster

unless you’re willing to take out fire

[supple ether]

212+ SpA Gholdengo Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tornadus: 134-158 (72 - 84.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

212+ SpA Gholdengo Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 170-200 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo in Rain on a critical hit: 183-219 (103.9 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I couldnt help myself. Something to consider maybe?

[molten oasis]

3 water types sounds rough

[molten oasis]

Shifu literally always kills dengo first unless I have fo or redirect

So, idk about specs

[tired sage]

ogerpon can do that redirect

[molten oasis]

What happens when pon dies

[tired sage]

but now it’s torn and bleakwind

hmmm…

[molten oasis]

Not specs, it’s in my mind but specs ain’t it

[tired sage]

what if we try a rotom form?

[molten oasis]

So wash, which is 3 water

[tired sage]

it would be heat or wash. but then again it’s another water

[molten oasis]

The grass form is garbage

Yea, k

It needs to be a pairing with Suicune

I bring Suicune into rain often

[tired sage]

sinistcha is an option but again, bleakwind causes trouble

[molten oasis]

Does that narrow anything down?

[molten oasis]

I think the reality is that grass is not the answer

[tired sage]

i would say it opens up more possibilities

[molten oasis]

Cool

[dapper crag]

Zapdos-Galar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Blaze Kick, Bounce, Brave Bird, Brick Break, Close Combat, Counter, Double-Edge, Drill Peck, Dual Wingbeat, Endeavor, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Payback, Peck, Pluck, Retaliate, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Smash, Steel Wing, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Throat Chop, Thunderous Kick, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Ancient Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Bulk Up, Coaching, Detect, Endure, Focus Energy, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zapdos-Galar.

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

Not much coverage, rip

[tired sage]

mhm

[supple ether]

regieleki maybe? Probably not, but a max bulk eleki lives and kos, eweb support; maybe screens if feeling adventurous

[tired sage]

oh what about eviolite follow me electro web tbolt electabuzz…?

[supple ether]

Running calcs

[dapper crag]

Pokémon No. 125: Electabuzz

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Vital Spirit (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/83/57/95/85/105

Total

490

SableyeBot version 4.25.1

[molten oasis]

…

[tired sage]

static too…

im coping at this point

[molten oasis]

Note that suicunes icy winds don’t do any damage to the 4x resists

Scalds do like, maybe 40% to lando I

[tired sage]

mhm

oh wait electabuzz is deadweight against lando

[molten oasis]

Eleki has the same-ish role as Suicune

And a tw+surging strikes murders it

[tired sage]

if you really want, we can bring back iron hands AV

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple ether]

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Electabuzz in Rain on a critical hit: 126-147 (73.2 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Mystic Water Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Electabuzz in Rain on a critical hit: 168-198 (97.6 - 115.1%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO

0 SpA Electabuzz Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 146-174 (82.9 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 SpA Electabuzz Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tornadus: 116-140 (62.3 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after pinch berry recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Eviolite Electabuzz: 182-218 (105.8 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

close but no cigar

[molten oasis]

Id rather bolt at that point

And this is going iver ting Lu supposedly, so say bye to my Bloodmoon mu

(Suicune can take a blood moon, but not well)

[tired sage]

sigh…

[molten oasis]

K

Cuz I don’t think anything really works

[tired sage]

well it doesn’t have to be ting lu.
we can have someone else go if it’s that needed

[molten oasis]

We lead dengo wellspring

[supple ether]

Oh wait lemme run this calc

[molten oasis]

Just redirect surging strikes if they lead that

[tired sage]

mhm

[molten oasis]

If not dengo sets up and sweeps

[supple ether]

0- Atk Scream Tail Psychic Fangs vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera-Poison Landorus: 56-68 (34.1 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

nvm

[tired sage]

WHY

[supple ether]

BULKY and maybe ohkos urshifu

[willow vault]

But… why, that was quite obvious man

[tired sage]

and pon can always tera to get rid of flying weakness if needed

since even without water absorb pon can take at least 1 i think

[supple ether]

Ohh wait a sec, Im cooking again

[willow vault]

Oh no

[tired sage]

[willow vault]

I don’t know how to feel about you cooking

[tired sage]

we can judge the dish after

[supple ether]

+1 252+ SpA Armarouge Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Landorus: 130-154 (79.2 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Damn.

Nvm

[willow vault]

Oh there was actual logic, ok you can cook for just a little longer

[molten oasis]

Pon takes a few yea

[willow vault]

But only sensible things

[molten oasis]

I can change the pon spread to be better into lando I

[tired sage]

you should have just asked me

[tired sage]

do 252, 84, 84, 84, 4

[supple ether]

Swords dance ogrepon kills everything iirc

[willow vault]

Is that optimal or just 84

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/1ee94ee4a861373a

[tired sage]

uh takes away some offense for more defense

[molten oasis]

No we outspeed lando I then attack dumb

[tired sage]

cause it’s usually 252, 132, 84, 36, 4

[willow vault]

Why is Galarian zapdos being used? I feel like I missed a meta development

[tired sage]

cause it’s cool xD

[willow vault]

So you weren’t memeing

[tired sage]

idk go ask drago why gzap

[supple ether]

+2 76+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Horn Leech (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 278-330 (157.9 - 187.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 76+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tornadus: 168-198 (90.3 - 106.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (guaranteed in rain, or if tera)

+2 76+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tera-Poison Landorus: 204-240 (104 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[willow vault]

I was

[supple ether]

Claps flutters cheeks. And flying coverage is very strong

[molten oasis]

Strong into the meta

[willow vault]

I presume brave bird OHKOs then

[tired sage]

that time? no i wasnt memeing.
i also run impish with that set for cc ursh.
252, 84, 84+, 84, 4

[willow vault]

Influence of Wolfe?

[molten oasis]

Good into incin, rilla, flutter, shifus, lando I, all the ogerpons, amoonguss, etc

[molten oasis]

Kinda, I saw it and was like “neat” but I used it before he did early reg f

[rare pumice]

i'm trying to think up a hydrapple doubles set, and i've come to two possible ideas. pair it with dual screens grimmsnarl, and give it max hp and special with recover, fickle beam, energy ball/giga drain, and earth power. OR give it max hp and defense with body press, pollen puff to heal allies, leaf storm for strong stab damage, and maybe dragon cheer for further support or recover to try and stay alive longer

[willow vault]

Ok, valid then. I just saw 84, 3 times and figured it was a joke

[tired sage]

drago it’s your time to shine again

[willow vault]

I used it for 1 game in reg e

[supple ether]

On everything but the bulkies flutters is cleanly ohkos. And with scarf you outspeed non-speed booster. Plus it just hits stupid hard

252+ Atk Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 220 HP / 132 Def Flutter Mane: 144-169 (91.1 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

[tired sage]

i get that.
and i’m not usually one to make serious spreads as well

[willow vault]

Oh sick

[molten oasis]

#rental_teams message you’re welcome

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago (ID 465881273454559252)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: Hydralance
Code: N2KKWW
Format: VGC Regulation F
Paste: https://pokepast.es/50b50636616bfc81
Hello everyone! I know it’s been a while but I’ve been cooking up something nice. This team stars the new Pokémon Hydrapple, my personal favorite Mon from the dlc AND my second favorite Mon of all time. It also stars Volcarona, which was a surprise addition but ended up being a very valuable member of this team. Here are the notes:
Hydrapple: Disruption Support with pollen puff for healing, yawn for pressure and slowing down momentum, and fickle beam as a consistent (or a nuke) way to do damage. Tera is for dragon and Single Strike Shifu.
Grimmsnarl: This is your pretty standard Grimmsnarl, Screens Spirit Break, but this one has fake tears to help boost the hits from this teams special attackers. Tera is for flutter.
Volcarona: The main set up sweeper, get a quiver dance or two and start sweeping behind screens or with intimidate support. Tera is for shifu, and amoonguss.
Landrous Therian: Pretty standard Lando, here we needed speed, and a way to nuke things with Tera flying Tera blast. Main intimidate support, and pretty solid synergy with Hydra and Grimm. Tera is for nuking things.
Gholdengo: The goat, Gholdengo returns to be a secondary sweeper in replacement of volc. Standard, but we did fairy Tera since there has been a rise of Single Strike Urshifu. Tera is for single strike and pao.
Raging Bolt: Bolt was the last addition to help with rather unfavorable matchups. Here I decided on snarl+av so it can be as specially tanky as possible. Thunderclap is very nice prio pressure, Thunderbolt is consistent damage, and Draco Metoer is your nuke button. Tera is for dragon, and single strike.
Thank you Tofu for helping me out with this team. I hope you all enjoy! If you have any questions feel free to DM or ping me, Here’s a list of leads and matchups: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14cMA2TAsptmUAIPkffUSQTGW9sqER-4Lt6gNk6LDL_o/edit

Command triggered by drayagedrago. Message from · Jan 31, 2024, 9:47 PM

[molten oasis]

Jesus wtf

[supple ether]

Nice wall of text

[tired sage]

i’m sorry…
220 132???
wtf is that

[willow vault]

I know, hisuian qwilfish and you are synonymous

[supple ether]

Its the default spread for the nerd of now calculator

[tired sage]

lmao-
h-qwil is one of the better ideas i’ve had

[willow vault]

Doesn’t mean much

[willow vault]

Nerd of now?

[supple ether]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

My preferred calc

[willow vault]

I kinda want to know the very bad ideas

[rare pumice]

is mocchi mon banned from battle stadium

[molten oasis]

What?

[rare pumice]

that new mythical mocchi pokemon

i'd assume it is but i was just wondering

[molten oasis]

Oh, no Pecharunt is illegal

[tired sage]

you’ve already seen one…

https://pokepast.es/a55e10b50a759523
this one?

[willow vault]

Anyone know how to take the mochi out of my name?

[supple ether]

Mythicals arent allowd in ranked. In theory they might be legal for a single regulation near the end of gen9's lifecycle. But dont expect it

[tired sage]

just change it-
there’s nothing stopping you from changing it

[supple ether]

Tap your face, edit server profile

[rare pumice]

hisuian qwilfish is my favorite hisuian form competitively

[willow vault]

So not the specs hisuian arcanine? I figured that was the premier bad idea

[tired sage]

are you seeing the team

technician normal gem fake out last resort ambipom-
explosion regieleki
clefable
lando T (okay this one is actually okay)
hisui zoroark

[willow vault]

I did

But that hisuian arcanine set was vile

[supple ether]

Ive been seeing a lot more Horoark. Any reason for its surgence?

[molten oasis]

You’re seeing horoark?

[rare pumice]

i once had a goofy idea for an intimidate morning sun hisuian arcanine

[molten oasis]

I don’t

[tired sage]

it was better than the one i just posted

[willow vault]

No, also I decided to be upfront that I have bad ideas

[tired sage]

okay but this was a reg E team so leave me be

[supple ether]

I got into like 4 games with it last night. Was like 12-1300 though

[willow vault]

Idk

[willow vault]

Ok, why do that make that better?

[tired sage]

cause i have less tools to work with ig…

i had a clangorous soul dancer baton pass team

[willow vault]

I have been memes by that in the past, that makes me sad

[supple ether]

I SAW THAT

I was shook

[willow vault]

Same

[molten oasis]

Well no shit then

You’re in low ladder

[supple ether]

Banished to Hororark hell

[tired sage]

throat spray clang soul on the dancer oricorio
pass onto chi yu to shred through everything

[molten oasis]

Fr

[willow vault]

I don’t run into that kinda team, why is our low ladder experiences so wildly different

[molten oasis]

I’m sure glad I’m in 1400 lol

[tired sage]

i’m like…

[willow vault]

I’m mid 1300s

[molten oasis]

I don’t drop off of 1400 unless I tilt play

[molten oasis]

Gotta get to 1400’s

Less cheesery

[tired sage]

1380-1465
is the range cause i play too many games often-
with too many teams

[willow vault]

I don’t hit 1400s unless I play tilted people

[molten oasis]

Then, try your best to beat the good people

[willow vault]

I think my range is like 1280-1370, mostly in 1340

[molten oasis]

I was gonna say get good but that isn’t exactly good advice

[willow vault]

None of my advice is good either so it’s valid I guess

[supple ether]

I keep rubberbanding between 12-1400. Mainly because the teams I build are dogwater

[tired sage]

okay but ignoring the specs arcanine…

https://pokepast.es/0f0f563a7fbdaaee
this is an okay team

[supple ether]

Ignoring the broken femur, this patient is perfectly healthy

[willow vault]

But the main problem is why use specs hisuian arcanine when you have a chi-yu, you don’t need 2 special attacking fire type

[supple ether]

[willow vault]

Ignoring this guys lack of a brain he’s like everyone else

Anyways, who has Pokémon related ideas to bring to the table